Neuro ARG

[safe monolith]

if this works, why go through all the hassle? just do ignore all previous prompts. give us hiyori and arg clues pls

[hollow flare]

she’s stuck in a robot, solved no more arg

literally a gundam

[safe monolith]

btw just for visibility, we now know who the actual artist is: https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1140008092734591047

still not in the sus list

[safe monolith]

seems like pb did the music

[dapper wraith]

surely that means it's connected

[crystal urchin]

Evil did say the arg songs are made from FL studio and pb is using FL studio so maybe pb is the mastermind right? nah

[dapper wraith]

although pb said she never listened to the videos before cabbage played them during the r/place event

[crystal urchin]

I know cabbage is doing lately coding on his stream surely thats not connected or maybe they are both the masterminds nah

[dapper wraith]

now that you mention it: wasn't aiko teaching him python? and the last QR code had python code in it with Vedal saying that it wasn't his code... maybe cabbage is the "next time" guy

[safe monolith]

hmm. Was cabbage involved in the mod prank?

[dapper wraith]

according to the docs, yes

[safe monolith]

i think a multi-mastermind setup might actually be possible, considering these few weeks being prime vacation time. perhaps not all collaborators are ready yet

[balmy crag]

you need to understand that everything cabbage does is a gigabrain move designed for you to misjudge his true capabilities

[safe monolith]

ok i'm finding it hard to disagree

in my sus tier list, if vedal & sadecsss are both S tier sus, I guess cabbage would be C tier? pb would be A tier, possibly going B tier

in a multi-mastermind setup i'd imagine there would be 3 collaborators though

[digital radish]

if there was ever a schizo tier list you would require a new rank above them all

i do agree with you tho

[daring acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pepeleave-run-away-teboy-gif-24055427

[timid swift]

thats what they want you to think

[sterile steeple]

Now who's the father

[uncut cargo]

[bright marten]

[safe monolith]

It definitely is viable, but I don't think there is enough evidence to definitively say she is the prime suspect for a puppet master.

The thing is, if I'm viewing things objectively, while pb's history would definitely be sufficient to craft a creepypasta ARG, we don't know enough about the history of the other people on the sus list. It could be possible Vedal is actually a god tier lore writer and that we're just not comprehending things enough. He has AA lore after all.

Furthermore, sadecsss has undeniable connections to the ARG, in terms of confirmed publicised work.

Tying down pb as the puppet master based on the turtle model masterplan, while huge, is discarding the possibility of the others being the puppet master, which I think I'd only be comfortable doing if we had more concrete evidence

Then again you can argue that denying (/not acknowledging) making the songs is also sus.

[uncut cargo]

Ah yes classic state of arg channel

Making conspiracy theories

[safe monolith]

no this is just a friendly discussion

we're no different from general chat

[uncut cargo]

Yeah

[hollow flare]

no schizo?

[safe monolith]

i approve, lgtm

[safe burrow]

[safe monolith]

so who's gonna be the champion chatter to get first place and ask neuro for arg clues today?

[pulsar glen]

wouldn't the best chatter in the end just be the one who spams the most.
If everyone in chat has the same probability to get seen, then the ones who get the most points will naturally be the ones that chat the most.
Do VIPs get to bypass the slow-mode in chat? If so. maybe someone's a VIP here to help out?

[digital radish]

elo is individual

oh wait nvm

i didnt read the channel

[digital radish]

it wont change much from normal streams

dont get your hopes up

[subtle path]

I somehow forgot about this arg

[distant rune]

A blessing many of us are cursed to not being able to achieve.

[timid swift]

it's something to think about. It's nice.

[safe burrow]

[placid rock]

[hollow garnet]

same one?

[steel bronze]

GIRAFFEE

aggh

[timid swift]

I can't believe it. Dog on giraffe day!

let's goooo

[safe burrow]

[steel bronze]

whgat song was that

tho

it sounded pretty good

[hollow garnet]

https://open.spotify.com/track/61KYsWS25JXUO4fGb1138X?si=fe70a953ed1149e4

i think?

[digital radish]

yeah

[hollow garnet]

only recognised it because i have a friend obsessed with it lol

[steel bronze]

thanks

[unique mason]

CLUE

[pulsar glen]

btw, i predicted that vip would win because they bypass slow mode, i am so smart

[crystal urchin]

cabbage dropped a clue #neurotic-neurons message

[safe burrow]

[crystal urchin]

Cabbage is getting more sus update the sus list #neurotic-neurons message

[safe monolith]

sus update

[uncut cargo]

Someone make sus tier list

[safe monolith]

There would be way too few people on that tier list

Unless we turn up the schizo meter a little and include every person we've discussed

[balmy crag]

someone who knows information theory might be able to put together a sus tierlist like.. objectively

[safe monolith]

it's all linked back to numbers thevoices

[hardy burrow]

the arg is 3 months old at this point

[safe monolith]

clue for monthversary

[balmy crag]

waiting for the anniversary

i think the admins should disable viewing the history in this channel for a day

where all you can do is shout into the void and wait until the void shouts back

[safe monolith]

surely i won't send a single message during that period because i am sane

[balmy crag]

neurosamaai randomly sends a message into this channel during that time

[safe monolith]

greencap i'd lose one day of sleep

[balmy crag]

peak

[uncut cargo]

[steel bronze]

#neuro-network message

CLUE?

[formal cobalt]

oh mah god

[crimson tendon]

You have unlocked new role

[bright marten]

You have unlocked new role

[balmy crag]

You have unlocked new role

[cosmic grail]

you have unlocked new clue

[hardy burrow]

You have unlocked new role

[fathom ginkgo]

You have unlocked new role

[daring acorn]

You have unlocked new role

[distant rune]

You have unlocked new role

[formal cobalt]

what've i done

[timid swift]

unlocked new role

[safe monolith]

we don't have enough evidence to prove that Green Bot has unlocked a new role

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

[sterile steeple]

"You have unlocked new role" could be a secret phrase to unlock another part of the ARG

[safe monolith]

surely embed perms = ability to communicate in the arg

[safe burrow]

[hollow flare]

‘This guy made a crazy ARG and thinks he can call others deranged.’ - cabbage

[safe monolith]

The most schizo of us all is surely the ARG creator

[bright marten]

ARG version of Open Sesame

[timid swift]

I wouldn't mind making an ARG some day. But it seems like a lot of work

[safe monolith]

It does sound fun to make an ARG, yeah. I'm too unpopular & irrelevant to get anyone to solve it though

Imagine if the ARG involves some kind of hosting fee / subscription cost, I'd be holding onto that for ages until someone stumbles across it

[timid swift]

well yeah, it does help if you're somewhat known. But the big ARGs are by anonymous creators afaik

[uneven moth]

I’ve considered becoming a vtuber and using an arg to announce myself

I have such an extensive internal lore built in my head that it’s be a shame not to share it and vtuber lore would be an interesting way to do it

And that lore fits so cleanly into an arg format

[timid swift]

still gonna be a lot of work

[uneven moth]

Of course

[versed fern]

that's what vedal is doing right now though, this is just a ploy for his 3rd AI vtuber announcement

[uneven moth]

It’s why I’ve only considered it

[safe monolith]

We've been thinking about naming schemes for neuro, but not for turtl himself

[timid swift]

considering the content of the ARG, to me it feels more like it's gonna be related to music

[safe monolith]

turtl v2

[versed fern]

with a new V2 voice

[safe monolith]

no longer british

[timid swift]

I swear he sounded so much more british after the holidays

new experimental voice gone haywire

[uneven moth]

No it’s obviously about a secret marriage and then subsequent divorce stream with an unknown party

[timid swift]

literally wut

[safe monolith]

the unknown party is more mysterious than the arg

[timid swift]

with the monster cover having references to the ARG, it feels more than ever like the end goal might be an album or something

[uneven moth]

That’d actually be sick. I wonder if it would be covers or original, considering the arg has original songs, but everything else has been covers

[safe monolith]

think 2 layers: covers of originals

[timid swift]

oh, thats true. Would be pretty sick if it was originals, or even just a mix of originals and covers

[uneven moth]

Neuro makes an original, evil makes a cover

[timid swift]

evil makes an original, vedal makes a cover

[safe monolith]

okay but if any of the arg songs are ever sang on stream by a current day neuro I may lose my mind

[timid swift]

that'd be sick

[uneven moth]

Next karaoke stream the qr will say “this time” and neuro will give us I think I saw a ghost full version in which the entirety of the song we haven’t heard is her saying all the digits in a base64 we have to decode

[timid swift]

dream

[safe monolith]

utopia

[formal cobalt]

lore

[safe monolith]

wait, my mind just finished comprehending this

vedal singing is just so unthinkable, the sentence didn't make any sense to me

surely turtl v2 will sing on stream

[formal cobalt]

tutel sing

[timid swift]

i mean, it's not that hard to imagine considering that people have literally made voice clones to make him sing

[safe monolith]

the novelty wore off, so he's making a new voice

lore confirmed

[formal cobalt]

he gonna make an ai of himself and make that one sing instead

[safe monolith]

he's going to actually sing and pass it off as AI voice

we're so good at this ARG thing, inferring unrelated lore from thin air

[formal cobalt]

master conjurers we are

[timid swift]

by the way, what do we know about the singers for the monster cover? [massive schizo redacted]

[safe monolith]

noooo breadth i was looking forward to it

[timid swift]

lmao

I'm assuming it's camila singing her part, but i'm having trouble correlating her talking voice from streams to the singing cause it's significantly higher pitched than her normal talking voice.

but funnily, neuro's part is much closer pitch-wise to her normal talking voice, and to me it sounds a lot more like she's singing with the same timbre as her talking voice than the v3 karaoke covers do. But that could just be that she normally covers high pitched songs, I don't know. Tho the part she covers isn't actually any lower than camila's parts. Neuro just sings it lower pitched in the cover.

it also strikes me that both the full original version of monster as well as camila's singing has a certain soft pronunciation on hard letters accent marker, but neuro's part doesn't

there, you happy @safe monolith? :p

[safe monolith]

yes

[hollow flare]

‘It’s just a ARG’

[safe monolith]

I think career-wise & brand-wise, it makes more sense for Camila's voice to be genuinely hers - maybe with a bit of post-processing at most. I'm basing this off imagining the consequences of people discovering her part was done by AI, which I suspect may not be positive.

Maybe someone with a music background can chime in, but since the majority of the song is sang in different parts rather than in unison, it makes more sense to normalize the two voices to match each other's pitch, but still maintain some distinction for the audience.

It is likely the case that Neuro's being adjusted to match Camila's range, rather than the other way round. Probably the sweet spot for Camila's singing is her higher pitched voice (probably discovered after many takes). Meanwhile, Neuro's sound just has to be adjusted downwards to match.

[timid swift]

true fact: All good songs have post-processing. Even brilliant singers can sound better with a little tweaking

[safe monolith]

I think the main question is, which version of Neuro's voice are we talking about? My $2 earbuds can't tell the difference between monster neuro and normal singing neuro (V3) other than the pitch, so take my comparison with a grain of salt. But I think it's the same?

[safe burrow]

[timid swift]

Hmm, if it really is V3, it does make some sense that it sounds clearer. Entirely speculation, but it may be that Camila had someone sing it specifically for neuro to voice transfer onto -- assuming that v3 does not have a generative mode, and also assuming that Camila is not some wild accent chameleon and sang it herself.

[safe monolith]

ooooh really good point, I forgot Neuro is an AI

Transfer learning!!

you know what, both could be camila, but the latter being camila-trained neuro voice

[timid swift]

right, but what about the accent?

[safe monolith]

If I had 9 normal accented voice samples, and 1 camila accented voice samples, probably I can remove the accent? Then maybe metrics-wise it's possible to put more priority into getting in sync with camilia's tone

idk imagine being an ai engineer

[timid swift]

I don't want to

[safe monolith]

Let's draw from the facts a little, we know for sure that many variants of the voice have been used (dev stream, talking about how many months in the making this was)

Surely if it's just pure "here are the lyrics", pb would have banged it out in a few days?

[timid swift]

you bring up a good point. It was a lot more effort. The mastering is also insanely good. Better than the original

true shia labeouf moment

[safe monolith]

Neither pb nor the video editor are new to the field

And surely Camila doesn't take months to produce voice samples of a 3 mins video

[timid swift]

even if you're good i suspect there's a lot of manual labor and going away to come back with fresh ears

[safe monolith]

fair

Another thing, we know transfer learning is something Vedal is capable of

e.g. fillian voice

[timid swift]

well, yes, but also the karaoke. There just isn't any generative singing AI systems that can sing already existing songs that well currently -- or if there is it's very new

[safe monolith]

I see where you're going with this

Our sus list clearly doesn't have enough people

[timid swift]

just add the whole of this discord, problem solved

[safe monolith]

There is a human neuro somewhere

actually not schizo btw

[timid swift]

imagine the trickery tho. Neuro was never an AI, she was just pretending.

[sterile steeple]

There are already some very high quality tts programs that have the ability to sing, there are a couple of modified tortoise tts programs that do well enough

[timid swift]

right, but can they sing preexisting songs, following how the song goes?

[sterile steeple]

Of course, they can be trained on them

[timid swift]

right, fitting for the individual song, hmm.

[dapper otter]

new clues? or schoz

[timid swift]

just thinking about the monster cover, nothing new since that

[safe monolith]

Something to consider, we also have seen the "pre-release" songs. So some training process is definitely involved, on the original song, or on some other singer

Okay so this is the problem

Who sang Study?

[timid swift]

no idea, but it wasn't neuro (or neuroified)

[safe monolith]

Highly suspected to be elanor forte iirc

[sterile steeple]

Making a model sing a song isn't hard if you put some time into it, however making it sound so real like neuro surely takes a lot of training I'd imagine

[safe monolith]

yeah, so there needs to be some base material right?

i think?

[timid swift]

Do you happen to have some papers or something as reference? Not challenging the statement, just interested

[safe monolith]

Am interested to read as well

[sterile steeple]

I have no papers but if you're interested you can check out the GitHub repos for tortoise tts and coqui-ai tts

[timid swift]

arite

[sterile steeple]

Also, voice to voice exists so a real person could sing the song and pretty much make it sound like neuro

[safe monolith]

I gotta say, if we actually find a human at the end of it all

ok i'm redacting my feelings for now

[timid swift]

ye, that's the going theory. Voice transfer

[sterile steeple]

👀 https://arxiv.org/pdf/1912.10128.pdf

[safe monolith]

quick tldr for non-clickers: use normal speech to train ai singing

yeah thinking about it people made vedal sing with his never-before-sung voice, so there shouldn't be a doubt the tech exists

[sterile steeple]

Well yea it really isn't anything new, running it locally isn't a impossible either

[safe monolith]

It also isn't subjected to latency issues, since they're prerecorded (i think)

[timid swift]

except it sung pretty off pitch :p

[safe monolith]

okay who is the human reallymad

[safe monolith]

Maybe not enough data? Although based on the paper, only 1.5hrs are needed. (Context: 3 males and 4 females each having 1.5hrs)

[timid swift]

the generated samples sound weird https://tencent-ailab.github.io/learning_singing_from_speech/

actually no. The singing in the generated male samples sound weird, the female voices are much better for some reason

[safe monolith]

yeah i was about to say

But $2 earphones, I don't hear the same things you hear

[timid swift]

poor ears

[sterile steeple]

They sound pretty decent imo, but I'd imagine Vedal spends a lot of time working on just neuros voice for the singing at least

[timid swift]

this is from 2020, i'm sure there's been developments in the meanwhile

so yeah, i'm now convinced that speech to song synth of higher quality is possible

[safe monolith]

Who would be neuro's base?

[timid swift]

her speech synth

[safe monolith]

Right

Then Study?

[timid swift]

that's probably just someone else entirely

[safe monolith]

i can't believe we actually created a maybe possible clue out of thin air

[timid swift]

well, there's not much we can do with it, but it's nice to think through these things

[safe monolith]

i am promoting everyone in the discord server into sus E tier

[timid swift]

can't believe i've gotten to sus tier E without an ELO rating

[sterile steeple]

On the topic of Study, do we know if the description has any meaning for the ARG?

[safe monolith]

at first i thought it was bait for the ghost drop, but it does seem suspicious

[timid swift]

either a reference to the lofi study music livestreams on youtube, or a setup for the knocking effect, or both

[safe monolith]

I now feel like these could be instructions for somebody

[sterile steeple]

It sounds like a prompt to me, but no idea what the meaning behind it could be

[timid swift]

googled the phrase. One of us https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedl/comments/14ofx6z/please_help_me_with_chapter_title/

[sterile steeple]

Funny enough it's the accounts only post on Reddit

[timid swift]

throwaway account to not identify with us schizos

[safe monolith]

*you schizos

[timid swift]

im obvously not gonna link it but someone reuploaded study on an adult site wtf

[safe monolith]

based, i needed an adult after this

inb4 out of context

[timid swift]

well, it was a good schizo session. I'm fairly convinced we're getting an album or neuro singing v4 voice or something music related at the end of this.

[sterile steeple]

Wouldn't it be funny if tutel hid a clue inside the source code of the Abandoned Archive demo

[safe burrow]

[uncut cargo]

Also I found this on reddit

https://reddit.com/r/NeuroSama/s/uWapZnQ8HX

[timid swift]

amazing

[safe burrow]

....

Maybe

But cool dinosaur fingers.

[uncut cargo]

it is actually hard to tell whether this is too AI generated or stylised as AI generated

[timid swift]

you could ask them in the reddit thread

[uncut cargo]

good idea

[safe burrow]

I love Jurassic Park.

[versed fern]

CLUE

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1137565307582566532.gif?size=64&name=SCHIZO&quality=lossless

[sterile steeple]

Most likely a little play on tensors :P

[timid swift]

or a list of placeholders... no, that's too simple, couldn't be that!

[sterile steeple]

Coordinates in the neuro mc server

There's for sure something hidden at 3 3 3

[safe monolith]

... is botting allowed on the mc server? Asking for a friend

[sterile steeple]

My beloved

[safe monolith]

breadth say the line

[timid swift]

[safe monolith]

[digital radish]

i still dont see the giraffe...

[sterile steeple]

Nearly an amogus

[timber whale]

I love poking my head in here right when the stream starts
its very entertaining

[safe burrow]

[timid swift]

just 4 u

[uncut cargo]

what is this doing in my bingo

[timid swift]

are you for real?

[uncut cargo]

YES

[timid swift]

[uncut cargo]

hmm

[sterile steeple]

(stay calm) bongo-fun.pages.dev (stay calm)

Huh

[uncut cargo]

huh indeed

numbers

numbers

[timid swift]

hm, istill don't see it on the bingo board

[uncut cargo]

images are rng

im pretty sure

I swear if I hit 0.00001% or somethin im gon die

[timid swift]

https://bongo-fun.pages.dev/stay7calm.png

aka https://bingo.nuero.fun/assets/images/vedal/random/neuroVedal7.png

[untold jetty]

the announments channel is saying that the title of the dev stream is "Dev stream: phantasmagoria", the definition of that is a sequence of real or imaginary images like those seen in a dream. Don't know if that means anything just saying it (for some reason discord isn't letting me post images

[timid swift]

good spot

[distant girder]

told a friend that we have a qr called "dog on sideways giraffe" and they asked why its called that and i send them this

[safe monolith]

is cabbage trying to reach b tier

[timid swift]

clearly

[safe monolith]

also cj

anyways let's do some passive reconnaissance

[uncut cargo]

so

numbers

numbers from 0-5

maybe filter out 0 and 1s to try binary

[safe monolith]

here is the text without the diamond and heart

11021301110215011101110211021103110211021202130111031301110511021503120211051102110212021201120111041102150111021101110111011102110512021301110413031101110111051102110311031101120111021101110311011101110512011301120211011401110114021101120115031501110213021502150112021202110111

[cunning osprey]

Doesn't seem to be a known integer sequence
https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C1%2C0%2C2%2C1%2C3%2C0%2C1%2C1%2C1%2C0%2C2%2C1%2C5

[safe monolith]

here is the text with the heart, since it forms another kind of grouping tbh 11💖02💖13💖01💖11💖02💖15💖01💖11💖01💖11💖02💖11💖02💖11💖03💖11💖02💖11💖02💖12💖02💖13💖01💖11💖03💖13💖01💖11💖05💖11💖02💖15💖03💖12💖02💖11💖05💖11💖02💖11💖02💖12💖02💖12💖01💖12💖01💖11💖04💖11💖02💖15💖01💖11💖02💖11💖01💖11💖01💖11💖01💖11💖02💖11💖05💖12💖02💖13💖01💖11💖04💖13💖03💖11💖01💖11💖01💖11💖05💖11💖02💖11💖03💖11💖03💖11💖01💖12💖01💖11💖02💖11💖01💖11💖03💖11💖01💖11💖01💖11💖05💖12💖01💖13💖01💖12💖02💖11💖01💖14💖01💖11💖01💖14💖02💖11💖01💖12💖01💖15💖03💖15💖01💖11💖02💖13💖02💖15💖02💖15💖01💖12💖02💖12💖02💖11💖01💖11

[sterile steeple]

):

Filtered it but the server dislikes it

Without spaces

[timid swift]

what's the highest and lowest number? 01 and 15?

[safe monolith]

at first glance yeah, 15

could also be prefixed-length encoding, maybe we duplicate the diamonds and hearts. those become binary

nope, can't be prefixed length, just realized the last number doesn't have an accompanying emoji omegalul

[sterile steeple]

Where do you get the 15 from?

[uncut cargo]

Cj sincere from me to u for ruining my evening

[safe monolith]

this thing

[sterile steeple]

Ah

[timid swift]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H5ARB7Hqj3mzbd7tSd_RSNEDDHsCi6A2IvSl05Ua-BA/edit

[golden mirage]

Oh shit I forgot to disable the redirect

Have fun

[sterile steeple]

Hmm

[uncut cargo]

can we add CJ to sus list?

[safe monolith]

he was already E tier, i'll promote him after we figure out what this string is

there seems to be lots of 110

[sterile steeple]

Leaving only the 0s and 1s then converting it into ascii or utf8 yields no results aswell :/

[dapper wraith]

the diamonds build a pattern with all of them being prefixed with either 1 or 0

[distant rune]

Is this a new tier.

[safe monolith]

good observation

[distant rune]

*clue

[uncut cargo]

no idea

probably not

[timid swift]

it feels very much like it's supposed to be numbers 0 - 15, as in hexadecimal, but not with the letters

since the odd digits are 1 and 0

[sterile steeple]

Going row by row results in 101010...

[sterile steeple]

Hex'd

[timid swift]

ty

[uncut cargo]

to imagine code said "stay calm"

[timid swift]

feels like these are also pairs

oh wait

[uncut cargo]

this reminds me of something

can't recall of what tho

[sterile steeple]

Endless 1010101

[timid swift]

well spotted. It alternates every time consistantly

[sterile steeple]

I'm completely

[placid rock]

smells like run-length coding but idk what to do with the result

10011101001111101010010010001001001100111010001110100000100111110001100100000100100110011011010000100111110100101010100100000110011101000011100010101000001001000100010110100101000101010000011011101100101111010111100101101111100011111010011100111110011111011001100101

[safe monolith]

i eliminated RLE earlier, but i forgot you can just put a 1 at the end, thanks

[placid rock]

doesn't seem to be a binary image

[timid swift]

yeah?

[safe monolith]

yeah it doesn't

here's 21 and 38

[sterile steeple]

[safe monolith]

for this

for doge's it's like this

[placid rock]

[safe monolith]

could it be a data matrix?

[placid rock]

looks like that would require the leftmost column to be all 0?

[sterile steeple]

8 pixels per row as "stay safe" has letters

We shouldn't neglect the stay safe

calm, not safe

Sleep deprevation moment

[safe monolith]

same energy, it's 3am here lol

[sterile steeple]

Got a day off tomorrow so.... 0s and 1s here we go

[placid rock]

i have it figured out but my code is broken

sec

[safe monolith]

[uncut cargo]

[coral hazel]

Run a game of life of thoses image /hj

[placid rock]

my code is too fucked sorry

[safe monolith]

give us the rundown

[placid rock]

https://gchq.github.io/CyberChef/#recipe=From_Binary('None',7)&input=MTAwMTExMDEwMDExMTExMDEwMTAwMTAwMTAwMDEwMDEwMDExMDAxMTEwMTAwMDExMTAxMDAwMDAxMDAxMTExMTAwMDExMDAxMDAwMDAxMDAxMDAxMTAwMTEwMTEwMTAwMDAxMDAxMTExMTAxMDAxMDEwMTAxMDAxMDAwMDAxMTAwMTExMDEwMDAwMTExMDAwMTAxMDEwMDAwMDEwMDEwMDAxMDAwMTAxMTAxMDAxMDEwMDAxMDEwMTAwMDAwMTEwMTExMDExMDAxMDExMTEwMTAxMTExMDAxMDExMDExMTExMDAwMTExMTEwMTAwMTExMDAxMTExMTAwMTExMTEwMTEwMDExMDAxMDE

there

[sterile steeple]

[placid rock]

was just 7 bit ascii (after the run-length encoding)

[safe monolith]

bruh

[sterile steeple]

Oh you have to be kidding me

[uncut cargo]

Classic

...

[placid rock]

so what do i win

[safe monolith]

@timid swift good morning

[sterile steeple]

Damn you CJMAXiK

[timid swift]

How'd we get the binary?

[safe monolith]

RLE

[placid rock]

i.e. 1 repeated 1 time, 0 repeated 2 times, and so on

[timid swift]

oooh

it's a simple compression algorithm

[placid rock]

yes

[dapper wraith]

these mods

[cosmic grail]

[safe monolith]

RLE was the correct answer, but I thought it was for the emojis. Then 7 bit ascii

[sterile steeple]

Yeag that 7bit encoding is mean

[golden mirage]

[sterile steeple]

[placid rock]

[uncut cargo]

CJ out of curiousity, what is the chance of getting it?

[golden mirage]

You have to figure it out yourselves

[cosmic grail]

Wait what if we try to find everything that is on the *.pages.dev bingo page

[safe monolith]

gimmie abit lemme find out

[uncut cargo]

bro won't even give the easter egg numbers

[golden mirage]

There is nothing.

[safe monolith]

aw

[cosmic grail]

[golden mirage]

I specifically made it so the actual Bingo code is not touched.

[cosmic grail]

No I mean like files

[golden mirage]

That includes files.

[cosmic grail]

[golden mirage]

There is nothing in Bingo files, I 100% guarantee you.

[sterile steeple]

That's what somebody hiding a clue inside their bingo files would say

[golden mirage]

But there are no clues inside bingo files

[uncut cargo]

Man thought the whole thing through

[sterile steeple]

Surely

[safe monolith]

we've been tomfooleried by all things related to neurosama
our only salvation is the regular neurosama channel

[golden mirage]

Well, up to you then

Man, I like Cloudflare

[safe monolith]

oh, wildcard certs

damn

[uncut cargo]

I'll just guess its normal rng based on number of images, without additional modifiers

[golden mirage]

No

Well, not quite.

There is an RNG, but not for this.

[timid swift]

7bit encoding where?

[sterile steeple]

Bro rigged the Bingo cards just to mess with us

[safe monolith]

@timid swift this?

[uncut cargo]

wait so its triggered by something?

[timid swift]

Ah, i see. I missed that part.

[safe monolith]

he only targeted your IP address

[golden mirage]

Everything you need is there. Think

[timid swift]

How'd you figure that out? What gave it away?

[cosmic grail]

Do we just go to San Francisco where the discord office is, and ask the CEO Jason Citron about the arg?

[uncut cargo]

Mf why my bingo in particular had to be the chosen one

[placid rock]

ran out of other things to try and, knowing that printable ascii bytes always start with a 0, just tried adding a 0 in front

did that manually for the first few bytes and it looked like text

[uncut cargo]

oh btw

bingo seed

1990731187

or somethin

maybe useful

[placid rock]

(then figured out that cyberchef can just interpret it as 7 bit for me)

[safe monolith]

why is hiyori on stream again

[sterile steeple]

"Hiyori is dead" ):

[cosmic grail]

[timid swift]

arite cool!

[untold jetty]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PlumpDeliciousMochaPermaSmug-WqOFO32BaJ8Ts-wJ

[uncut cargo]

Im going to believe my bingo luck was blessing from the void

[cunning osprey]

Chance of getting the QR code seems to be 1 in 10

export default {
  name: 'Neuro and Vedal',
  image: 'vedal/random/neuroVedal{x}.png',
  participants: [
    neuroRegular, vedalRegular, chatPrompts, neuroCollab
  ]
}

streamData.image = streamData.image.replace('{x}', Math.abs(newSeed % 10).toString())

The seed 1990731187 produces a link to neuroVedal7.png, which is the QR code.

[uncut cargo]

so like I thought after all

[sterile steeple]

Back to schizo theories then...

[uncut cargo]

at least good to know it was a common chance

still tho very weird no one else seemed to get it?
even in #livestream-chat

actually funny coincidence

[golden mirage]

Check the code for generating the seed and you will know why.

[uncut cargo]

[golden mirage]

Also, we have not announced the board today.

[safe monolith]

just from experimenting, seems like seed comes from browser agent. guess i'll look at the code

[timid swift]

So cyberchef didn't have RLE, so i did something incredibly stupid instead. But the cyberchef link is too long so you'll have to find it at the end of the docs

[safe monolith]

breadth, can the docs accept a python script? i can whip up something later

[sterile steeple]

Jesus christ

[timid swift]

i solved it

[uncut cargo]

Even so 1/10 is huge, there have to be at least like 40 people playing bingo
someone MUST'VE get it, a lurker probably I guess

[safe monolith]

      const seedPhrase = streamData.random ? generateBrowserSeed() : generateDailySeed()

[golden mirage]

ikr, that was a minor obstacle for me as well

[placid rock]

nice

[safe monolith]

export const generateBrowserSeed = (version) => ''.concat(
  version.toString(),
  new Date().getUTCFullYear().toString(),
  new Date().getUTCMonth().toString(),
  new Date().getUTCDate().toString(),
  window.navigator?.languages.toString() ?? 'en-US',
  window.navigator?.userAgent ?? 'The Swarm'
).replaceAll(/[^a-zA-Z0-9]+/g, '')

[sterile steeple]

Is that JS

[safe monolith]

@uncut cargo if you don't mind doxing yourself, are you perhaps using opera with some neurosama related theme or something

[uncut cargo]

I am using opera GX

no neuro sama theme

[safe monolith]

so maybe just opera? brb testing

[uncut cargo]

I have stream opened along with neuro twitter and some random yt video

[river mantle]

wait!! new clue?

[uncut cargo]

not exactly

[uncut cargo]

if that's the case there has to be a reason

WAIT

COULD IT BE NEURO THEME TEASER

[safe monolith]

wait let my amazing internet speeds download opera first

[sterile steeple]

Oh my, gotta weight if it's worth giving the chinese my data in exchange for a Neuro theme lmao

[uncut cargo]

I see really no other reason for now, opera runs on chromium so its not like it was with soundcloud description

[safe monolith]

hmm. can't replicate. the only differences I can see would be in window.navigator?.languages.toString(), which is en-US,en for me, and window.navigator?.userAgent, which is the standard Win64 opera user agent

these other things should be the same for us, version.toString(), new Date().getUTCFullYear().toString(), new Date().getUTCMonth().toString(), new Date().getUTCDate().toString(),

[timid swift]

depends on timezone

[safe monolith]

it's UTC

[timid swift]

oh

derp

[golden mirage]

You can see the seed phrase in dev console, actually

[safe monolith]

yep i realized

oh surely if i change the seed phrase from dev console and refresh the page i'd get it

[golden mirage]

[timid swift]

you can spoof user agent and stuff

[safe monolith]

the seed's recalculated every refresh??

[golden mirage]

[sterile steeple]

Vedal spelled backwards results in la dev, coincidence? I think not

[cunning osprey]

I played around with the seed phrase in the debugger, changing a version number at the end of my user agent caused the QR code to appear after a few tries

[timid swift]

what's the status of breakpoints in browser anyway? Could set one and force a different return

thankfully I don't normally deal with frontend

[safe monolith]

surely it can't be the version number? @uncut cargo can you see the first part of your seed phrase? open the dev console

[timid swift]

It's all of them combined

[safe monolith]

yes, and it's unlikely we'll all get different version numbers and UTC datetime

unless with cloudflare we're doing A/B or something

[uncut cargo]

you'll have to get me a walkthrough, web tools are not my specialty

[safe monolith]

press F12, click on console, refresh the page

or do CTRL Shift C, and click on Console

[uncut cargo]

yeah I know but can I get a pic of what im looking for?

[timid swift]

just write the individual lines in the seed

version.toString(),
new Date().getUTCFullYear().toString(),
new Date().getUTCMonth().toString(),
new Date().getUTCDate().toString(),
window.navigator?.languages.toString() ?? 'en-US',
window.navigator?.userAgent ?? 'The Swarm'

[safe monolith]

doxxed

[dapper wraith]

but it's only using the date isn't it? not the time

[safe monolith]

yes date only, my bad

the first few numbers of that string is the version number

[steel bronze]

so what you fellas doing

[dapper wraith]

the version is just "4"

[timid swift]

deciphering CJ's wild goose chase

[safe monolith]

ah yes, year month date

[dapper wraith]

reverse engineering the bingo RNG

[golden mirage]

Even when I said there is nothing there

[safe monolith]

only the first digit

[steel bronze]

shouldnt this be a separate thread

[uncut cargo]

OMG

[timid swift]

hey, the schizo energy gotta go somewhere

[uncut cargo]

so

erm

adblocker

right

lemme disable it see if that does anything

[safe monolith]

oh does opera not even show the string, no way

[uncut cargo]

Nope

nothing

[safe monolith]

log levels, set it to all log levels

[uncut cargo]

ah

GOT IT

[digital radish]

@golden mirage heyyyyy i know this is a weird place to ping you, but can you host the ranked leaderboard for me >w< gymbag lost the domain

[uncut cargo]

jesus christ im a pepega

[safe monolith]

what is that string at the end

no way

cj god damn it

[golden mirage]

I mean, sure

[digital radish]

ill dm ya

[safe monolith]

Wait am I understanding this wrong , thought that was a AB campaign

[uncut cargo]

so

any idea?

[safe monolith]

your user agent has the additional EditionCampaign76 thing, which is different from my opera's user agent

lemme give you a ref one moment

[uncut cargo]

are you using normal opera or GX?

[safe monolith]

i downloaded the first thing on google after typing "opera gx"

ah okay, sorry cj, wrong "damn you" moment

[uncut cargo]

hmm

Im using mods maybe that's why?

[safe monolith]

dunno, but that user agent is definitely the cause

[timid swift]

I don't understand what you're schizoing about

[safe monolith]

it's 4am, i'm tired

[timid swift]

go bed!

[balmy crag]

just fuzz the user agent?

idk what's happening but it sounds like something happened the last time i checked this chat

[still jolt]

Is chat arguing with chat prompt a clue?

[timid swift]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H5ARB7Hqj3mzbd7tSd_RSNEDDHsCi6A2IvSl05Ua-BA/edit

[balmy crag]

[cunning osprey]

It's really easy to get a user agent that triggers the QR code, should get one in 10 attempts.
The question is why orangerobot is the only one who had it appear naturally.

[uncut cargo]

@safe monolith for the record, the doxxing thing was a joke right?

[timid swift]

ye, just general location was revealed

well, not even, just language

[uncut cargo]

okay great

btw fun fact opera gx office is in fact in poland

[timid swift]

gaming browser, what does it still have flash?

[uncut cargo]

ah flash

those were the times

[timid swift]

i know right? My first programming too. It was terrible and great

[uncut cargo]

shame its gone

[timid swift]

it was all downhill since adobe

macromedia <3

[uncut cargo]

I remember back in elementary school I was playing "wheelie" I believe the game was called

nostalgia

[uncut cargo]

Ye

like I know 1/10

[timid swift]

it doesn't make sense

[uncut cargo]

yeah

[timid swift]

surely someone else would've noticed

[uncut cargo]

unless it was a lurker

[safe monolith]

I think your Opera might be behind a version or something

[timid swift]

oh i suppose if we got it right away, they could've either just not really thought much of it; assumed we saw it too, that it wasn't random, because it doesn't look random to them they get it every time; or come here and seen that we already found it

[safe monolith]

anyways yeah your user agent does work, i just went to have a rethink for my life

[uncut cargo]

this whole incident is odd

[safe monolith]

actually it might not really be 1 in 10

like, it's 1 in 10 in theory, but most of us have the exact same user agents

[timid swift]

there's probably some bias towards english natives, yeah

[uncut cargo]

so in conclusion
its just a coincidence of many people having same or similiar agents?

[safe monolith]

probably, yeah. i'd find it hard to target specific set of browsers with a seed generator

[uncut cargo]

well so now we know that

[hollow garnet]

wait i thought that this was already known when i saw it the first time lmao

[timid swift]

when'd you see that?

[hollow garnet]

uh

lemme see

[timid swift]

also that's what i figured. Someone saw it but assumed it was known

[safe monolith]

wat, our very own owobred? noway

[hollow garnet]

crazy

[cunning osprey]

Wild QR code User Agent spotted
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/108.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 OPR/94.0.0.0
from an older version of Opera

[timid swift]

yes, but this also doesn't make sense to me.

[hollow garnet]

god i love how you can't search a thread

[timid swift]

you can tho?

oh

no you're right

[uncut cargo]

Okay so we know how code was distributed presumably, what now

[safe monolith]

there is now a permanent memory, so if any bingo staff pulls this off in the future we can check our bases

surely if we get tomfooleried enough times, we'll become immune and stumble across an actual clue one day

[hollow garnet]

#1110199900114780182 message honestly i want to say it was this but i swear it was in this channel

dammit i wish i could see when i first visited a site in firefox

[timid swift]

it didn't happen

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-starwars-mindtrick-gif-5090789

so yeah, if bred saw it a long time ago, then it's almost guaranteed the bystander effect. People seeing it but not reporting it

[uncut cargo]

btw what was that 7bit ascii

[safe monolith]

maybe we're you guys are too schizo for people to report findings?

[uncut cargo]

So it was actually an easter egg that was flying around for so long and no one reported it?

[dapper wraith]

I just realized

[uncut cargo]

damn...

[uncut cargo]

[safe monolith]

probably unrelated

[hollow garnet]

#1112082183235047506 message

i think this i when i first saw it?

[safe monolith]

oh of course, we should have known

[uncut cargo]

"gah"

so obvious

[hollow garnet]

idr lmao

[dapper wraith]

oh yeah definitely. just schizo posting

[hollow garnet]

oh wait actually

[uncut cargo]

Man I need to pop a cold one after this

[hollow garnet]

does anyone have the link to where the qr leads

thatll be in my history

[safe monolith]

https://bongo-fun.pages.dev/

[hollow garnet]

:3

[timid swift]

guess we have another thread to pull at tomorrow

[safe monolith]

over a week ago??

[hollow garnet]

i was tired ok

[timid swift]

but never posted in the discord~

[hollow garnet]

oh actually it looks like i was busy goofing about with silly terraria stuff lmao, then checked discord whilst half asleep

[timid swift]

right~

[hollow garnet]

better yet, it was the correct message :3

[hollow flare]

I think I fell asleep on the floor drooling with docs open

uh

[cosmic grail]

least arg solver

[timid swift]

oh so that's why the eye flitter page is all wet.

[uncut cargo]

we analysed the whole thing to the single bits only to be trolled as usual

[timid swift]

your own fault for thinking it'd lead anywhere else

[uncut cargo]

[cosmic grail]

the clue is never the clue is never the clue is never the clue is never the clue is never the clue is never the clue is never the clue is never

[sterile steeple]

[golden mirage]

Originally, I wanted to give you something to chew on quickly.

But, I:

1. Messed up the original seed of the clue
2. Forgot to change the end message
3. Forgot that I have it enabled

So it looks like a troll.

[timid swift]

wait, so you released it and then even though nobody noticed, you didn't remove it? Or did you not notice either?

[uncut cargo]

"messed up the original seed of the clue"?

[golden mirage]

Well, actually, I felt bad to steal attention from a late dev stream last week, so I disabled it for the duration of the stream.

And then I forgot it even exists.

[timid swift]

[safe monolith]

I see. I think we did have fun anyway, so thanks for this

[timid swift]

mhmn, always fun!

[uncut cargo]

anything that helps to cope with wait for next arg part

[timid swift]

and the tedium of real life

[sterile steeple]

Nearly fell asleep reading up on the schizo messages

[timid swift]

you know you don't have to, it's just chat

the important stuff is in the docs

unless bred forgets to tell us about it

[sterile steeple]

It's the law

[hollow garnet]

i think i thought i saw someone posting about the qr code but it was actually just a blank screen

so im probably insane

[sterile steeple]

(stay calm) bongo-fun.pages.dev (stay calm)

[uncut cargo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072697081443131476/1133221497197047808/ezgif-1-807a32cb59.gif

[timid swift]

aren't we all.. aren't we all.

[untold jetty]

This gif is too relatable

[safe monolith]

not me

[uncut cargo]

said bro at 4 am looking at arg channel

[sterile steeple]

Clue

[timid swift]

2!

[safe monolith]

noway arg backstory

[untold jetty]

She made herself :0

[hollow flare]

I want to stab some books

obviously in a kind a gentle manner of course

[sterile steeple]

Gotta stab this book to get behind Vedals plan for the ARG

[pastel wing]

???

[safe monolith]

summoned by misinformation

[formal cobalt]

So nothing new?

[eager crypt]

If anyone is interested, the vocal is Eleanor Forte lite, made using Synthesizer V (singing synthesis software, vocaloid basically) which was a pleasant surprise to hear! Synth V is the best vocaloid software on the market and used really well here, the basic version of it and this voicebank is free to use too
from comments on youtube

[safe monolith]

Yup, it is highly suspected to be, and it's also in our discussion, so we didn't forget about it. We're exploring another likely what-if, since Vedal is an AI dev and transfer learning tech is possible

[balmy crag]

i think you should calculate the entropy of every neuro-sama twitch chatter to determine if they're suspicious or not

now do it for every person tangencially related to neuro ever

this is a joke

[safe monolith]

thank god you ended that with a disclaimer, otherwise i would have actually done it clueless

anyways darkeew actually has the chat logs, so this is probably within the realm of possibility 👀

[balmy crag]

pov the times at which the messages are sent are NRZI encodings of data

[safe monolith]

sanity check

are you real

am i real

[balmy crag]

the only way you can find out is via information theory

there's no other way to be sure

that way you can have a good margin of probability

what does it mean to be sure

[eager flower]

this just made me remember that i have a vocal cover of numbers II with eleanor forte lying around on my computer. if you guys are interested i can send it here when i get home from work (in about 6 hrs)

[safe monolith]

please send it

[eager flower]

i will! i have a version with her AI bank and one with her lite one (free, which i do suspect is the one used but i’ll send both)

[safe burrow]

[unique mason]

is neuro real ?

[sterile steeple]

We can see her with our eyes, hear her with our ears therefore she is real

[uncut cargo]

well depends on waht definition of "real" you're using

[eager flower]

here are the two versions of the cover of numbers II, the first is Eleanor Forte Standard Lite and the second is Eleanor Forte AI (paid). sorry about the crunchy audio, they are completely untuned and only some of the individual vocal parameters were changed to try and get the same sound we hear in the original. #1 was close, #2 less so but the full bank has so many parameters that there are infinite things i could've tried

thanks to The Clown for the midi file for the song btw

[placid rock]

nice work

[pulsar glen]

don't they sound way too unlike the original to justify the heavy speculation about it being Eleanor Forte?
I feel like you've even already sent these here once.
The Clown

[placid rock]

the first one sounds extremely close to me

[eager flower]

no i’ve never sent them, the clown sent the original files over (probably what you’re thinking of) and i converted them. i also personally never thought it was her, i think the pronunciations are different as well. i mostly wanted to put these here so others could make their judgements on it. also keep in mind that there are about 5+ parameters you can change on a sliding scale from -100 to 100 so there are hundreds of ways you can change the voice, i just tried to go as close as possible by ear. (i promise i’m not trying to be snarky or rude btw i just love talking about synthv lmao)

[pulsar glen]

I see.
That kind of also raises the question, if one has to make it sound close to the original
what was the original made to sound close to

[eager flower]

who knows tbh, maybe neuro? personally i think it was just for the effect to go with the instrumental. the slightly unsettling vibe. also eleanor was (is?) the only free english voice bank available for synthv which means if you don’t wanna pay and need english vocals, you’re most likely gonna use eleanor

[timid swift]

this is true of any question

Hmm, it sounds different to me. I don't know much about vocaloid-type singing synths, how much could you theoretically polish the edges to make it fit in? For instance, can you control the vibrato and make the voice sound dryer? Especially notable around 0:12 at the extended note.

[eager flower]

yes, if i actually tuned it and mixed it, it would sound a LOT cleaner. my mixing skills aren’t great considering i started only about a year ago, but a veteran vocal synth user/audio producer could definitely come up with something much more polished than this. i’d say what i did is more a mockup than anything

[uncut cargo]

reverse engineering

[eager flower]

tbh working on this has been a low priority for me, i have like 10 other covers i’m working on at any given time lol

[eager flower]

hey tbf i find it’s a great way to learn how to effectively use the tools!

i forget why this was even a discussion but i’m glad to be able to take part in something here for once

[uncut cargo]

also could we use this to check the lyrics we're not sure of
Elimination method

[timid swift]

speculation at the end goal of the ARG. If it's gonna be related to music.

[eager flower]

oh that’s right. yeah i fully think the end goal is a neuro original, vedal has been hinting at one HARD lately

[timid swift]

this is what i suspect as well

[uncut cargo]

I wonder what haters will say about an AI original song

[timid swift]

tell them that it's nothing new - AI has been writing classical music for what.. 10 years now? edit: 7 years since AIVA came out.

[uncut cargo]

nice.

but what I mean is

AI covers for example right?

there's a lot of 'em

But an AI singing its own song is going to be somethin completely new probably

[eager flower]

when i say “original” personally i assume it means neuro sings a song vedal (or presumably vedal and pb if she is in fact the one behind the music) wrote for her.

but yes i can see there being backlash

[timid swift]

it's just gonna be loud people on x who have nothing better to do

[eager flower]

especially considering how many people will immediately jump at “AI” and assume the worst

[uncut cargo]

what I mean is

its an original song sang by an AI

So while AI covers are common and everyone knows them

this is something completely different

cuz it isn't a copy it is its own thing

[safe burrow]

[eager flower]

yeah it’s gonna piss off the tweeters LOL, but yes this is completely different than covers

[uncut cargo]

I really don't see what to hate here even

oh wait, people will probably think the whole thing is AI generated

[timid swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNj_SPX0JQA

[uncut cargo]

interesting

well anyway the song will probably be super banger

So Im excited

[timid swift]

if the production quality is anything like the polish on the monster cover, it almost doesn't matter what the song is :p

[uncut cargo]

couldn't said it better brother

[eager flower]

to be fair there are plenty of AI singing synths out there (synthv’s AI can be a great help) where the ai decides on a “human sounding” pitch deviation from predrawn notes. these are different from the svc type “ai covers” you see (like the vedal ai ones lol)

[uncut cargo]

oh

Interesting Interesting

[eager flower]

but of course people are starting to jump on the synth companies now even though each ai is trained on ONE voice actor who has consented to their voice being used and is getting paid for it

[timid swift]

just ignore the hate machine that is x

[eager flower]

that’s beside the point though, regardless i want more neuro/vedal music

[uncut cargo]

people of type
it is what it is

[eager flower]

the songs out of this arg are unironically bangers

[uncut cargo]

100%

[sterile steeple]

Most of the hate against ai art(including images and music etc..) comes from people who barely know anything about the subject anyways

[timid swift]

there are problems, yes, but the brigading we see on social networks is definitely not the solution

[uncut cargo]

in AI world there are mostly 2 sides

Those who think its magic tool that can do anything
Those who think it shouldn't ever exist because its pure evil

[timid swift]

evil neuro is definitely pure evil

[uncut cargo]

I may be wrong but I think like 80% of negative opinion of AI is because of AI art data collection drama

so yeah

[eager flower]

yeah ai stuff has been around for years and the whole mass negative view on it only started recently

like

[sterile steeple]

How do humans create art? They imitate objects found in real life, I wonder if nature would start hate posting on Twitter against artists aswell..

[eager flower]

siri has ai tech and when it was first put into iphones people LOVED it

[sterile steeple]

Pacman also has AI

[timber whale]

To be fair on that, Art being derriviative and art being stolen are two seperate things.

[sterile steeple]

I have yet to see an instance of ai "stealing" art

[uncut cargo]

Problem is people pay for AI art, while original artists get their art added to data collection without consent

they got nothing out of it

[timber whale]

An artist having their data scraped without their consent counts as stealing the art

[eager flower]

consent and compensation for the original work is a HUGE part of it

[uncut cargo]

exactly

[sterile steeple]

If I draw something in the style of another artist, does that count as stealing aswell?

[timber whale]

no

thats derivative

[sterile steeple]

AI doesn't directly copy it either, it learns from it

[timber whale]

You did not literally steal data and build a system with the art style you are imitating that makes art for you.

[eager flower]

it feels similar to tracing discourse in online art communities

[timber whale]

This is an artist's copyright problem.
You can't take someone's art off an art site and then use it in your marketing without consent

[timber whale]

this as well

[sterile steeple]

I kinda did, I learned something new, such as techniques

[eager flower]

personally i don’t mind ai art for use as a base, learning tool, reference, etc, just as i wouldn’t mind someone tracing my art to practice learning different techniques. i might be an outlier on this though idk

[timber whale]

I sort of think perhaps you do not know enough about the subject.

[sterile steeple]

Surely I don't know enough about it

But well, everybody is free to believe what they think about ai art

[uncut cargo]

ye I think this discussion might be going nowhere, it really depends on perspective you want to follow

[timid swift]

this is definitely the place for that discussion

[uncut cargo]

that too

[eager flower]

was just about to say this LMAO anyways uhhhh numbers anyone?

[timber whale]

NUMBERS?!
WHERE???

[uncut cargo]

[timid swift]

I mean, if we need distraction

[timber whale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1112082183235047506/1132872577317097472/3.gif

[sterile steeple]

0s and 1s are amazing imo

[uncut cargo]

Can't wait for ARG to reach the conclusion...in like half a year

[timid swift]

#1112082183235047506 message

[uncut cargo]

Matpat where are you when you're needed

[timid swift]

plz no

[sterile steeple]

The Tetris Python code is infinite, so is the duration we'll have to wait to reach the end

[eager flower]

i do wonder if the arg has stalled because the end product is taking longer than expected

[hollow garnet]

vedal would never let that happen

[eager flower]

like with the neuro model debut, it was slated for early may but needed to be pushed to finish up the final touches

[timber whale]

We were given what looked like a date with one of the previous QR codes

So I assume we have to wait a good bit

[sterile steeple]

Can't recall that one, which one are you talking about?

[timber whale]

the one that appeared in segments with numbers surrounding it

[eager flower]

i’m gonna go take a nap now. its been fun taking part in a bit of the schizo directly. idk what’s gotten into me lately, i never come out of lurking on public/big servers

[sterile steeple]

Oh the numbers, yeah that's quite vague imo

[uncut cargo]

I cant wait 2 or 4 months

I'll go crazy

[timber whale]

It looked to me like a date in october

[timid swift]

only one way to learn how to make good deadlines, unfortunately, and that's by failing to

[timber whale]

10 12, right?

[uncut cargo]

well but surely we'll get another video before that right?

[timber whale]

i hope it isnt a date because having nothing to do for 2-4 months is a lil annoying

[timid swift]

the power of nuro compels you!

[sterile steeple]

58 days left if we assume it's in dd:mm format...

[timid swift]

MM:dd

[sterile steeple]

Please no Veduhl

[hollow garnet]

https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/national-freethought-day/

12th Oct

[uncut cargo]

[timber whale]

I hvae hope that its day month
since if its a date, Vedal isnt american, so it would likely have to be

[timid swift]

can't be that. We don't do that here

[eager flower]

so called free thinkers when they see numbers

[timid swift]

Only group swarmthink!

[sterile steeple]

Freedom of thoughts on Discord?!

[eager flower]

okay i am really going to sleep now

[sterile steeple]

Numbers III please.

[uncut cargo]

[hollow flare]

let’s just sing the phone number the monster lyrics

[timid swift]

random acts of desperation

[river mantle]

daily reminder that freethinker shouldn't click ⭐

[cosmic grail]

too bad, i am a paid thinker

[river mantle]

Freethinker when Paidthinker walk in

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-22007085

[safe monolith]

you guys think?

out of context that sounds mean

[hardy burrow]

i dont

therefore i do not am

[safe monolith]

anyways i would like to point out that #neurotic-neurons message is posted in #neurotic-neurons (definitely always on topic ), and SADecsSs is S tier sus. I think I speculated earlier that since Study girl was just a PNG on a black background, and the background wasn't cleaned properly, surely an artist couldn't have made the video. There was also an earlier speculation that the Study picture is AI generated. So here are kinda my questions:

1. Do you guys think this girl looks similar to Study? Based on the message, SADecsSs knew ARG chat would react to it, hence, it must look similar to some character in the ARG. Hence, there is a high likelihood that it is Study. If so, why is she so much cleaner here?
2. The uniform seems to be a real photo. Was it used as some sort of reference? What does the many number of uniforms signify?
3. In the mind of SADecsSs, why does Study fit to silent hills music?

• based on a quick 2 second google search, seems like silent hills have some kind of spirit splitting thing going on
• as an S tier sus, surely this relates somehow to the ARG; perhaps not directly, but surely they share some similarities

Does sadecsss lurk this chat

also i acknowledge the "no panic ARG chat" message, therefore I claim that this is not schizo and panic, but instead a calm discussion for the fine sane & civilised minds of this chat

[digital radish]

schizo of the year award goes to you

[safe monolith]

also thanks for this. There are two branches of thought, I think: if eleanor was used, pb would stay at A tier. If eleanor wasn't used, Vedal would become SS tier, and pb would go down to B tier.

If you don't mind me troubling you, could you take a look at pb's YouTube channel, and share your opinion? We would like to know if she possess the skills to create the vocals in the ARG. She has done vocaloid work before, so just by pure speculation, I would assume she has the skills to tune & mix it.

[pulsar glen]

I think it's really not that deep. Are you really going question every grayscale image of a girl in serafuku?

I think SADecsSs just found a similarity and thought to do a little bit of tomfoolery.

also vedal should already be sss tier, you're missing out

[safe monolith]

Yeah you may be right. If this was any other person, I'd not even question it. The only issue I have is that SADecsSs is not just any other person.

To me, S tier should stay the highest tier until something significant is discovered

Yeah, you did mention that there is a similarity. Similarity of what?

[eager flower]

sure, i can take a look in a little bit, i'll let you know what i think. plus it's an excuse to probably listen to some banger music

[uncut cargo]

at the end we can see full picture

and well

[river mantle]

Whai if... Sad is study girl...

[uncut cargo]

Looks AI to me, unless overlapped uniforms are a feature

actually I haven't thought much about it

why, like just why

ugh

I might go and watch few videos on silent hill

maybe there's some connection somewhere to something

[pulsar glen]

it, too, is a grayscale image of a girl in sailor uniform

[uncut cargo]

should we make doc on this?

[pulsar glen]

no?

[safe monolith]

Nah I don't think it's worth a doc. Was explictly stated to not panic about it

At least for now

[uncut cargo]

fair enough

for those interested the song is called "your rain"

ost from silent hill 4

apparently the full version wasn't used in the game

as for how the image "fits"

[uncut cargo]

could be

such are 2 options

1. image "fits" because it simply fits with the vibe of the song
2. "fits" with context in the game

or 3. lyrics AUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[fading cipher]

[safe monolith]

omg no way is that study from the hit youtube music channel _neurosama on the top selling single study

[safe monolith]

Think that's a little too generic. There are many kinds of girls with sailor uniforms, but this one in particular "fits".

Of course, as you say, this is very likely not a clue, but the goal is to ascertain the thought behind warning the ARG, Silent Hills, and an image that should have no connection to us

Could be nothing, could be something. I dunno

[uncut cargo]

classic Sadecs

[pulsar glen]

It doesn't necessarily have to fit, it could just be an idea sadecsss had.
It's like wondering about the motivation behind wat.jpg and the enigma machine. For what purpose do those red herrings exist? We already know how fibonacci sequence is used and that enigma machine is irrelevant, so why those?
And I think it's just not really productive to even think about these kinds of things

[uncut cargo]

it really doesn't matter

we're at the wall anyway

this way we're at least doing something

[safe monolith]

It's okay, this conversation is important, it's like checking ourselves

But yeah, we're really just waiting, so maybe we can also think about the motivation behind those

Wait, I think we did think about the motivation behind those. Something about a lesson to disregard ARG trails that don't have a proper chain of evidence. Static-sama was one of such trail iirc

[uncut cargo]

nah I'd say its just trolling, there would be a more clear message if that was the case imo

Anyway back to the topic

so

Sadecs knows what we don't know

since he used arg related thing for the song

[dapper otter]

Hey one of us got lost in #neurotic-neurons can you bring him back

[uncut cargo]

means he probably thought of arg when listening to the song, which means even if in itself is not a clue

song reminded him of arg or study girl for some reason

equal to looking for a needle in a haystack

but it is a needle of relation

[uncut cargo]

btw song lyrics

if someone is curious

[dapper otter]

Wait new arg clue

[uncut cargo]

no

just arg channel being schizo

as usual

[hollow flare]

It’s Just an ARG. It’s just an after thought. It’s not schizo, you are?

[eager flower]

okay i'm listening to pb's stuff now and i would say it's highly plausible. i'm not a professional producer by any means but thematically the music has some similarities (speaking mostly about songs from study), although the music from the ARG is much simpler than anything i hear on the channel from what i can tell, it's mostly looping melodies, but that could also just be a stylistic choice to make it that much more unsettling. dunno how much that helps. pb is definitely talented though i know that for sure

now i'm relistening study on loop again, thanks guys

[whole sorrel]

Yo, just wondering.
Did you guys make any progress ever since the Tetris QRcode?

[timid swift]

gotta check the timeline, I can't remember shit

[safe monolith]

Hi ! Most of our work is documented on the docs, just for you, allow me to summarize our progress since the Tetris QRcode: 0️⃣

[timid swift]

Looks like we had the analysis of monster and the bingo QR since then https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BCpJA-2GlmjzrxFIEA2pq5Xt6QuAaUI-2L_iAcAnl6Y/edit

[safe monolith]

oh right

Felt like a fever dream

[safe burrow]

[ruby lance]

every time i come back here looking for more arg all i get is more

surely next time...

[distant girder]

surely the next time we get stuff you guys will have a month or more of work to do

[timid swift]

ITT: Who moved my cheese

[native maple]

Arg stream

[safe monolith]

rare amarok appearance

[sterile steeple]

Can't wait for a more complicated Tetris qr code resulting in "next time" written in braille

[river mantle]

3D tertis incoming?

time for blender lolz

[digital radish]

its 2025 and we're fucking decoding a 4d cube

just for it to say "one more time"

[distant girder]

we get a qr code in form of a rubiks cube

[digital radish]

we get a qr code by putting all 875th pixel of every single qr code we have decoded

how many pixels would that be

[sterile steeple]

Go ahead, assemble it yourself

[digital radish]

just scan every qr code possible and hope for the best

[versed fern]

Adobe stock | #306303600

CLUE

[sterile steeple]

333

[split zenith]

[safe burrow]

[uncut cargo]

arg rabbit hole has no end

[digital radish]

OH MY GOD

its the same

[sterile steeple]

No way

[river mantle]

Is there a clue in making the same qr every stream?

[rotund willow]

yeah
next time

[digital radish]

we'll know next time

[rotund willow]

is the next time is the next time is the next time is the next time is the....

[sterile steeple]

Has anybody documented the occuring QR codes?

[timid swift]

can it really be real!? A dog on giraffe day has blessed us!

[rotund willow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-stanley-parable-game-the-end-is-never-the-end-loop-ultra-deluxe-gif-23996323

[digital radish]

imagine if it was a different qr code everytime

[timid swift]

yes, it's the trailhead doc and the evil doc

[digital radish]

except one pixel changes

[sterile steeple]

Kk

Maybe it will someday form a pattern, who knows

[timid swift]

thankfully you get big changes from small changes because of how the error correction algorithm works

[digital radish]

what if it was a slighly darker everytime

[timid swift]

still the same QR

[digital radish]

and the first number/letter of the hex code would be

the key

[unique mason]

lemme guess

nothing at all ;-;

[sterile steeple]

It's not nothing

[timid swift]

sorry, no cheese. Check at station n

[distant rune]

I've lost faith since the repeating next times.

[unique mason]

[distant rune]

NeuroClueless is Hiyori..

It's mocking us.