Neuro ARG

[gritty thorn]

oh, oke

[quartz flume]

what abt 0121?

or if we put them in numerical order? like 0112??

I'm going schizo ik it's just that every night I decide to go schizo over the ARG since I found out abt it

[safe monolith]

That makes at least the two of us, and probably almost everyone else in this chat

Can't remember those numbers being tried

[timid swift]

If it hasn't been documented, we should treat it as if it has not been done.

[timid swift]

I mean, it wouldn't be THAT many calls to try every permutation (arrangements of the digits). Just 24 calls actually less cause there are two interexchangeable digits, so just 12 calls

[native maple]

but does it need to be called at 12:10 PM or AM

[timid swift]

yes

[sick wraith]

Me.

[formal cobalt]

try having 1210 peeps call at once

that'll surely work

[safe monolith]

let's try all combinations of all numbers of people on all possible combinations of time on all possible combinations of all numbers you can make with 1210

unlike most real world responsibilities, it doesn't matter how many times we get it wrong. only getting it right matters

[digital radish]

send the number a message every nano second

[timid swift]

every neurosecond

[digital radish]

every 572943 picoseconds

[brittle musk]

every evilneurosecond

[digital radish]

MORE EVIL NEUROMORE EVIL NEUROMORE EVIL NEUROMORE EVIL NEUROMORE EVIL NEUROMORE EVIL NEUROMORE EVIL NEUROMORE EVIL NEUROMORE EVIL NEUROMORE EVIL NEUROMORE EVIL NEURO

[uneven moth]

Evil neuromore?

[placid rock]

"next next next time"

[timid swift]

caturday, perfect

[hollow garnet]

wait so is the trend
qr code > next time
qr code > qr code > next next time

can't wait for 3 layers of qr code

[timid swift]

it may be tutels all the way down, but it's QR codes all the way up

[digital radish]

too many evil streams

[sterile steeple]

There is no such thing as "too many"

[timid swift]

"next time next next time next next next time next next next next time next next next next next time next next next next next next time next next next next next next time"

the space annoys me more than it should

[native maple]

at least it's

also evil neuro minecraft what are the chance vedal saw us talking about signs and took the idea

[timid swift]

I'd say it's more likely he's just trying to shake things up. Buut I've been known to be wrong

[placid rock]

do you think is stalling because he's cooking something great or because he's too busy with other things

[timber whale]

Both

[mint plover]

Evil Neuro strims

[safe monolith]

If we get 3x next time, it's another 3

[safe monolith]

ok but memeing aside, if 3x next time actually happens / 3 layer deep solve, does 3 actually mean something

like e.g. alex believes a 3rd ai is being cooked. Maybe there are 3 charas involved?

[honest harness]

Vedal's third vacation

I highly doubt the eliv minecraft stream will have anything. Vedal is still on holiday

[river mantle]

but now it's evil who jump into the lava!!

[dapper otter]

Guys instead of hyping over the evil neuro steam for clue. Maybe we should look at Vedal dev steam. Maybe he will accidentally leak a clue 5 months in advance

I mean he did accidentally leak a little bit of public static void what to say he won’t accidentally leak something major

[quartz flume]

yeah

[safe monolith]

hey now, he lurks this chat, probably spoiler your insight so he can't see

[distant rune]

He did?

Also I think Evil Neuro streams are a dead end.

[safe monolith]

Do you think there is an undiscovered gateway to the next stage?

[distant rune]

An overlooked gateway perhaps.

[cosmic grail]

for now

[quartz flume]

I think we should wait 'til the next Evil stream and if it just says "next next next time" or something like that we should consider them a dead end

[supple perch]

How is the arrrggress

[distant rune]

Stumped still.

[supple perch]

Also I have a random personal opinion regarding who the engineer is and whom the trained conciousness is.

I think both neuros are both the engineer and trained and that both actually occupy the same mental space.

Though future results could change this opinion

[safe monolith]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1865819298 02:56:21

surely this is related to the arg

[native maple]

can't wait for evil to lose self control during the stream

[hollow flare]

filtered

[timid swift]

When was that?

[timid swift]

if we get "next next next time" on next evil stream then i'll take it as a sign that it's counting backwards and that we need to look at the evil stream prior to the one with the ARG/broken waiting screen

[native maple]

you keep saying counting backwards but i don't understand how it is backwards

[timid swift]

Yet you have not questioned it before? :p

So we get "next time" that's 1 next, then we get "next next time" that's 2 nexts. If we get "next next next time" that's 3. If we assume that it's gonna keep going that way, then we should be looking the other direction, no? Instead of forwards in time, then backwards in time

[native maple]

so instead we should see it as previous so the more is added the further back we go

[safe monolith]

interesting. so you're saying it could have been the evil stream prior to the first time we ever got "next time"

[timid swift]

yes, and if it's always increments of one for each stream they'd always point backwards to the one same point/stream

[timid swift]

exactly that

But also it's like 95% probably schizo

[safe burrow]

[vast frost]

watch it be: last time he said next next time so that's the evil stream after this one

[native maple]

"okay really guys this time is the last next time"

[safe monolith]

"i promise it'll be the next one after the next last next time"

[cosmic grail]

"Jebaited -1 week LULE"

[safe burrow]

[cosmic grail]

The stream is live

[digital radish]

clueless but that qr code looks new

[sterile steeple]

Can't scan it

[quartz flume]

yeah I was thinking if that was the same qr!

[covert dock]

Yeah I can't get it either

[worn bison]

Hi guys

Nothing new?

[quartz flume]

trying to see if the qr code is the same

[dapper wraith]

that's the @_neurosama code

[sterile steeple]

Awh

[quartz flume]

yeah?

[uneven moth]

but why? why change it?

[digital radish]

did you scan it

[worn bison]

it's like it's a little different

[quartz flume]

mhm

[uneven moth]

yeah it scans to _neurosama

[covert dock]

I think the last songs were posted during a stream, so maybe just keep our eyes on the channel as the stream goes on?

[uneven moth]

Surely that means theres going to be a video this stream

[covert dock]

surely

[sterile steeple]

Next next next time....

[cosmic grail]

Lower quality qe

Qr

[covert dock]

Can we get a song called next time?

[rain scarab]

Imagine we get rickrolled if we found a new qr code in the stream-

[dapper wraith]

what do you mean change? it's the same one as every neuro stream since the debut

[worn bison]

Yay, the new cool track

[slow shuttle]

Could have meant next evil neuro stream

[sterile steeple]

Can't spot anything out of the usual in the starting screen

[worn bison]

Evil is definitely connected with this, new information is worth waiting from her

[timid swift]

i see ya'll gone schizo over the same old QR code in my absence

[quartz flume]

just a lil bit

[sterile steeple]

[timid swift]

an ARG creating robot, oh i wish it was true

[safe burrow]

[burnt glacier]

just a random idea I just got since people have talked about songs like world.execute(me); possibly being significant, what if maybe we can spell something out with the recurring songs, like using the first letters of their names or something

or maybe instead of spelling something out, matching those letters to their respective numbers for like a code

or maybe we could even correspond the full names of the recurring songs into numbers

or I'm guessing people have already tried this but we could try messaging that phone number we found with the song names

[quartz flume]

those are good ideas actually, very schizo, but maybe they do something

[dapper otter]

Hi

[burnt glacier]

thanks :D

considering as far as I know we're stuck again, we might as well just try anything that may have a chance of working

[safe monolith]

We ARG folks don't know schizo, it goes to another school

[uneven moth]

Oh what did you think of my theory, if you read it?

[safe monolith]

Yep I did. You're right that the biggest plothole is the chronology

But it does connect most of the evidence we have afaik

[distant rune]

Can you link the messagE?

[safe burrow]

[rare glacier]

i remember "You have unlock new role". helo dere

no one dere? gudbey

[quartz flume]

[sterile steeple]

Is the Neuro vs Jshojo event canon

[safe monolith]

check the arg-wide theory docs, under the saving sister theory

[uneven moth]

Yeah. It just seemed to make so much sense to me so even with the weird chronology I felt I should write it up. It was my first thought after the Numbers II desc and things kept connecting, with the downside of the timeline being bizarre.

[digital radish]

more evil neuro apparently

evil karaoke

[distant rune]

A last second one, highly doubt it's ARG advancing.

Though it is next week so we'll see.

Evil Neuro Minecraft will come first.

[timid swift]

Might as well have been the plan all along

[distant rune]

The timing is either coincidental or a quick way to ease the community.

[timid swift]

inb4 QR tomorrow will point to the just announced/suggested karaoke stream

[digital radish]

next next next time*

smh bread

[distant rune]

Pain.

[safe monolith]

tbh that's content to go schizo over so I support it

[timid swift]

Of course it's to ease the community. It's a good move. But that doesn't mean that it's wild flailing with no plans behind. Could've been in the works even before the duet

[distant rune]

Maybe, but we'll see.

If it does advance the ARG, then either the ARG makers got tired of our inactiveness or we simply had to wait.

Or someone did something with something that advanced the ARG.

[timid swift]

surely it's not cause we solved all the puzzles all at once

[distant rune]

Phone number in the corner being neglected.

It'd be funny if we just needed to message 987 to it.

[rare glacier]

so we are basically just stuck?

[distant rune]

Have been for weeks.

[timid swift]

no, we're not stuck. We're waiting

[distant rune]

Yes we're stuck.

[rare glacier]

what for?

[timid swift]

evil stream tomorrow. Long story, details in docs

[distant rune]

Go to the docs.

[rare glacier]

ok

[distant rune]

We had a QR code last, last Evil Neuro-sama stream saying "Next time".

[eternal timber]

Next next time

[rare glacier]

next time?

[distant rune]

Then we had the last Evil Neuro stream with another QR code saaaying basically the same thing.

[rare glacier]

see ya next time?

[distant rune]

We thought we had to wait for the next Evil Neuro stream.

[distant rune]

Which only resulted in this.

Correct me if I'm wrong. @timid swift

[timid swift]

might as well recite the docs at this rate lel

[eternal timber]

Yeah, after getting"next time" we got "next next time" hopium that next evil stream we'll get something

[distant rune]

I have uploaded the docs content into my brain.

[timid swift]

I hope not all the docs. Some of them are schizo af

[distant rune]

I uploaded all of it.

[rare glacier]

ok, someone ping me if we get anything, thanks

[timid swift]

There's not currently a mailing/ping list, sorry

[distant rune]

Should I be a schizo and post the Catbage meme or not.

Fuck it.

[timid swift]

clue

[distant rune]

[digital radish]

not even valid kekw

[timid swift]

valid what tho?

[rare glacier]

cloo? cloo? clu?

[digital radish]

i dont think its actually a base64 string

or it just says "cabbage"

[timid swift]

it is valid base64

[rare glacier]

im going to head off the line, gudbey

[rare glacier]

also, there is a storm outside rn wow

[wanton jewel]

how's everyone doing xd

rank 1-10, the current pain

[wanton jewel]

yikes

[distant rune]

ARG bros, you did not disappoint me with the minor and brief schizo about this.

[wanton jewel]

bruh all that jsut to say "it aint me"

i've been here since the first few weeks, we always schizo

[timid swift]

can confirm. Was schizo from minute 0

[safe monolith]

i have never been schizo in my life, can't relate

[safe burrow]

[ruby lance]

me and the boys waiting for next next time

[placid rock]

i'm expecting another jebait, either "next next next time" or just "next time"

[crimson tendon]

@placid rock has leveled up! (6 ➜ 7)

[placid rock]

[safe monolith]

frankly, we can infer lore from the last 2, so i'm all for it

[timid swift]

well if the next time QR codes keep getting more and more convoluted i'm honestly all for it

[placid rock]

it would be pretty funny if they keep us busy for a few days

[obtuse basalt]

What if it says "Last time"

[native maple]

last time on nuero cube Z

[tawdry narwhal]

are we treating the numbers that came with the newest QR as a clue? I haven't seen anything in the docs that said we solved those

[sterile steeple]

Could be a specific line in a source file

[native maple]

there is a list about the numbers

most likely imo is that it was a clue to use binary and make another QR

[brittle musk]

I'm drunk af and still thinking about neuro arg, what even is this if not shizo

[safe monolith]

Congrats on (likely) reaching the same mindspace as Vedal (?) when creating the ARG

[brittle musk]

[cosmic grail]

evil stream tomorrow

[dire orchid]

[timid swift]

less than 12 hours

[honest harness]

it's happening

[south sierra]

Minecraft, interesting

[safe monolith]

I wonder if Evil will have a completely different account & start from the nether
||holy crap maybe void = the end||

[honest harness]

highly doubt it unless vedal prepared it before vacation

[distant girder]

i assume it will be the same ai and everything that neuro uses just evil slapped ontop of it

[crystal urchin]

Todays Evil stream means new qr code surely Vedal wouldnt troll us again right? "Next time for sure promise"

[dire orchid]

next next next time

[safe burrow]

There is a time for everything.

[crystal urchin]

Could the song Bring Me To Life related with the text "Save me" 👀

[zealous estuary]

Even if it did we dont know what it would be for because we already tried with phone number

[crystal urchin]

Still no responds right?

[timid swift]

yes, it could be correlated. That both Evil and "save me" appears points to correlation, but so far there are no strong indicator that points from the ARG material to the song.

[zenith yoke]

Imagine if the phone number have anything to do with the glitched thing

Or it could be possibly can only be solved in the part two? ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[timid swift]

"part two"?

[zenith yoke]

Oh sorry i mean next part

[timid swift]

right, the upcoming stuff

[zenith yoke]

Honestly tho the number 2 song was banget ngl

[timid swift]

you mean the duet?

[zealous estuary]

The destination of the message was encrypted but message wasn't so what if encrypt message and send but eh no reason that would work

[crystal urchin]

Maybe if we ask neuro to run world.excute.(me) maybe something happens

[timid swift]

"ask" how?

[zealous estuary]

We throw money at her

[timid swift]

you could check if it's in the to-send list in the docs and suggest it if it's not. It'd be the JS/phone number doc

[zenith yoke]

Yes!

[timid swift]

yeah, it also got a very high rating from the poll.

[timid swift]

Vedal has flat out said that this isn't gonna be the solution

[zealous estuary]

Yeah

[safe burrow]

[timid swift]

which now that i mention it (which is a weird thing to say), makes me think that we probably don't need to buy access to that SMS library. If he wants to make sure we understand that it's not P2W at him, why would it be P2W for some sms library.

[crystal urchin]

FL studio 11 part could be true https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyJSpRsWfls

[timid swift]

any random fact could be true

a stopped clock is right twice a day and all

[honest harness]

3 hours til our weekly or

[rare glacier]

what if this is more hints

[placid rock]

3 hours

[timid swift]

Time to do the pre-schizo stretches and get hydrated

[rough mesa]

truly

[rare glacier]

yall we should all arg faster

[timid swift]

go ahead

Personally I am not a time god, so i'll leave the fast forwarding of time to neuro

[languid swan]

schizo moment

[rare glacier]

NO thats not real

[rough mesa]

it wouldnt be real

[timid swift]

of course it's not real.

[distant rune]

Kek.

[vapid token]

but it has to be "Study II"

So I'm not satisfied

[sterile steeple]

You got me with that one >:(

[timber whale]

https://youtu.be/BmGBUonPhb8

[timid swift]

Just ran into this randomly https://github.com/donno2048/snake

[placid rock]

"next next time" could also mean that we're getting nothing today so idk

[vapid token]

What if Vedal wrote "next next time" so that we don't expect anything from him on this stream because he's on vacation.

[placid rock]

^

[timid swift]

ultimate confusion would be returning to just saying "next time"

[uneven moth]

don't give him ideas

[timid swift]

dw, he doesn't read this

[placid rock]

not really confusing imo, that would just mean that the initial "next time" was the only wrong one so far (due to him needing more time or whatever)

and then we'd actually get something on the next stream

[timid swift]

Or would it

[timber whale]

So what do y’all think? Next next time? You think we are gonna get confirmation we are in the loop?

[timid swift]

I legit believe we're gonna get something today <- believe being the correct word here. I don't know shet

[timber whale]

I want a new song

Be sure to monitor SoundCloud today

Watch us not get study II we just go straight to Numbers III

[timid swift]

vedal lost the plot and releases Study III

[uneven moth]

Numbers X

[dire orchid]

next next next time inc

[timber whale]

Next next next time will likely confirm my loop theory

[timid swift]

Or the counting up gotta go back idea

[timber whale]

C-counting???
THE NUMBERS

[wraith goblet]

How do you guys feel knowing you're no longer the most schizo channel on the discord?

[distant girder]

we are the most shizo channel but not the most spammed one

[rough mesa]

you'll never beat these schizo levels 💀

[wraith goblet]

Dunno man Pixal wars has been pretty schizo lmao

[rough mesa]

yeah but have you had 1 entire week of schizo people doing alot of schizo shit?

[wraith goblet]

Yes actually

[timid swift]

Doesn't the pixel thing end tomorrow?

[wraith goblet]

Yes. Then you guys will reclaim your throne

[timid swift]

the hare and the tuttel

[wraith goblet]

Lol

[placid rock]

1 hour

[timid swift]

be sure to put in a good few more thousands so we have something to aspire to :p

[wraith goblet]

We got 39 more hours. I'm sure we'll manage

[timid swift]

it's probably gonna take a good while then. These days there aren't so many posts here.

[wraith goblet]

Pixal war did bring in a lot of new peeps. I'm sure a few will wind up in here

[timid swift]

I think the major problem is that people wanna solve puzzles but don't like the wait lel. As if ARGs were never slow af

[wraith goblet]

I've done a could small args before but this one was way over my head lol

[timid swift]

Much easier to just click a pixel once every minute :p

then again, keeping on clicking requires persistence. I just write things down

[safe burrow]

[distant girder]

26mins until disappointment

[wraith goblet]

Maybe not. Maybe yall will get a boost

[timid swift]

Don't worry, the defeatism is part of the schizo before the storm

no matter what there's gonna be something. The question is what and how much it means

[wraith goblet]

Ye

[placid rock]

10 minutes

[timid swift]

get all ya schizo gear ready bois

[wraith goblet]

We are racing to convert IDF neuro on canvas to IDF Evil before the stream starts lmo

[timid swift]

lmao, the pixels, what do they mean

[wraith goblet]

It has been fun engaging in tomfoolery with The Swarm plus Anny Chat over there

[unique mason]

Ok, so, schizo time?

[placid rock]

yes

[unique mason]

ive been so busy with the canvas this week

[timid swift]

yep, schizo engage time

[unique mason]

pog

[timid swift]

here we go

oh.. it looks like the last evil QR code

[rough mesa]

yeah

[sterile steeple]

Oh cool my quality is fucked

[unique mason]

baited again

[timid swift]

but is it actually the same?

[rough mesa]

let me compare it to last one

if her leg stopped fucking moving

[lunar stratus]

same qr

[wraith goblet]

Yup saw a qr code

[jaunty finch]

lol

[sterile steeple]

The same? ):

[cosmic grail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1112082183235047506/1122021950768812052/676295555181183017.gif

[spice island]

appears to be the same at first glance

[rough mesa]

oh yeah i cant send images

[timid swift]

rip

[timber whale]

TODAYS THE DAY

[sterile steeple]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CharmingKawaiiAubergineOhMyDog-Fy2fqLlKxOnLXhR1

[covert dock]

[rough mesa]

its the same

[languid swan]

same qr?

[inner sonnet]

Same

[languid swan]

ok

[unique mason]

dang it man

[river mantle]

same one

[hollow garnet]

looks like the same amongie

[timber whale]

what about the QR below it?

[rough mesa]

i just checked with old screenshot

[river mantle]

huh, where?

[timber whale]

its a layered QR code aint it?

[rough mesa]

yeah

its the same one

[timber whale]

damn

[placid rock]

5653125596276640063486524303682282800267521150066718138601730445755141611356075529199623064914833541461522285452683558727381854182256

[timid swift]

it couldn't be different if the upper one is the same

[cosmic grail]

Here she is

[dapper otter]

what is this

[rough mesa]

then to binary then to qr code

[placid rock]

same code Sadge

[rough mesa]

it will say "next next time"

[timber whale]

keep watching
there still might be something hidden

[safe monolith]

[worn bison]

GUYS

[sterile steeple]

Yeah fuck it's the same code

[rough mesa]

doubt

[dapper otter]

ageed

[rough mesa]

vedal never put anything mid stream

[worn bison]

IS THE QRCODE THE SAME?

[placid rock]

what does it mean 🤔

[placid rock]

yes

[sterile steeple]

Unfortunately yes

[timber whale]

the duality of

[cosmic grail]

We have to wait until numbers III

[placid rock]

no schizoing today

[worn bison]

Sadly

Then are we waiting for the Evil karaoke on wednesday?

[wraith goblet]

Back the pixels schizo then lol

[dapper otter]

bro I didn't enough sleep to watch this

[dapper otter]

all good tho she is soooooooooooooooo cute

[worn bison]

The v2 voice suits her very well

[dapper otter]

ageed

my coffee was worthed

[river mantle]

I love evil!!! why is she not real!!! it's not fair

[cosmic grail]

Yall should sleep more

[dapper otter]

yea

[dapper otter]

nah

[inner sonnet]

HUH

[worn bison]

Tutel even made her own movement pattern, which is different from the Neuro's pattern

[timid swift]

well, nothing new today. See ya'll in #livestream-chat

[dapper otter]

evil so tooooooo cute for sleep

[worn bison]

She squints so sweetly

WHAT WAS THAT

[sterile steeple]

Tutel could've built something ARG related in the MC world evil is playing

[worn bison]

IT WAS LITERALLY A VOICE WITH ~~~

[rough mesa]

imagine she logs in and its just an image with qr code

[cosmic grail]

[inner dawn]

maybe next time? since it said next next time?

[timid swift]

yes, that's one possibility

[cosmic grail]

Next next next time

[honest harness]

3 years to waste away

[worn bison]

I'll get a heart attack in that case

[sterile steeple]

Just pay attention to the world, after all it's the "next next time" now

[vapid token]

[timid swift]

the big face will be replaced with a QR code

[cosmic grail]

How do we know though

[worn bison]

I'm just a VERY impressionable person

[sterile steeple]

Well we really don't but the possibility is high

[timid swift]

we don't know anything. That's part of solving an ARG

[rough mesa]

evil skin kekw

[crimson tendon]

@rough mesa has leveled up! (2 ➜ 3)

[river mantle]

even evil skin mc

[sterile steeple]

Cave noises uh oh

[timid swift]

literally just a hand skin

[river mantle]

still play the same lolz

[cosmic grail]

Wtf are those cave sounds

[worn bison]

Creepy sound...

[inner sonnet]

Noises SCHIZO

[timid swift]

literally just minecraft being minecraft

[crimson tendon]

@inner sonnet has leveled up! (5 ➜ 6)

[dapper otter]

guys last time she did said this tho so we should look harder(#1112082183235047506 message)

[crimson tendon]

@dapper otter has leveled up! (4 ➜ 5)

[worn bison]

Very creepy sound......

[sterile steeple]

"Just look harder"

[timid swift]

no, this is not in chain of evidence

[river mantle]

she just see a ghost, not a ghost herself...

[inner sonnet]

[timid swift]

Nothing in the arg has proven that SAD is a source of info. They're just being playful

[cosmic grail]

We have to do something with those sounds I think

[worn bison]

I THINK I SAW A GHOST-- interferences

[rough mesa]

what sounds

[timid swift]

it's just minecraft being minecraft

[cosmic grail]

Imagine its SAD who made the arg

[safe monolith]

apart from the sound, I think skin is good confirmation that Evil =/= Vanilla neuro copium

[inner sonnet]

Someone who doesn't play minecraft

[worn bison]

Does she have echolalia?

[dapper otter]

this is totally not a excuse for me watching evil being cute

[inner sonnet]

She's holy SCHIZO today

[worn bison]

Shes broken

[hollow garnet]

here's a kinda head-on skin screenshot

[cosmic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-chat-nuggg-cat-gif-21790707

[safe monolith]

check under the hair maybe there is qr code

[cosmic grail]

We have to check both layers of the skin

[rough mesa]

we dont have direct access to the skin

[hollow garnet]

though im confused as to if these are even registered accounts or if verdal is playing on offline mode

[cosmic grail]

Namemc the nickname

[rough mesa]

check under the skin

[dapper otter]

but she is repeating her a lot tho maybe there is something about that

[rough mesa]

already did, not her account

[placid rock]

that's just a typical LLM thing

[sterile steeple]

3rd time she has done that today

[timid swift]

normal neuro behaviour

[placid rock]

even gpt4 had that at the start, look at some early bing chat conversations and they devolve into schizo stuff

[worn bison]

We need the Evil and Neuro minecraft collab

[inner sonnet]

SCHIZO

[sterile steeple]

4th time

[worn bison]

She's obviously not feeling well

[mint plover]

[inner sonnet]

She's sick

[dapper otter]

guys lets get her some med

[worn bison]

Lets get her some time for sleep

[timid swift]

By the way, there's a lot more chatting about the stream in #livestream-chat

[inner sonnet]

HUHHUHHHHHUH

Scary

[dapper otter]

yea she deserve it after all the hard work she has done(:

[cosmic grail]

Somebody has to log in on the server then

[timid swift]

no. The member server is not the same server

[rough mesa]

sure wheres the ip

[timid swift]

It was once afaik, but it isn't now

[dapper otter]

give me the skin pls I need it

[cosmic grail]

It's sub-only afaik

[rough mesa]

i am

well its a difficult situation

[timid swift]

i literally just told you

[inner sonnet]

Guys is it stupid to analize all the weird sounds she makes during emotes?

[cosmic grail]

Yes

[timid swift]

yes, evil has always made funny sounds -- even more than normal neuro

[inner sonnet]

[timid swift]

well, "always" is wrong. I mean since the debut. She's using a difference voice

[inner sonnet]

That's not the point

[rough mesa]

ah

i cant send screenshots

she sent something funny

[timid swift]

you'll automagically get embed perms after chatting enough

[inner sonnet]

Is anyone sure there's nothing hidden in the weird noises?

[rough mesa]

i know

this is not my main account

theres been a glitch and discord decided i was born yesterday

[mint plover]

I guess the funny/weird sounds are related to V2, and probably why Vedal doesn't really wanna use it that much, it fits evil Neuro though

[rough mesa]

so now they're fixing it

[sterile steeple]

They're regular MC cave noises

[rough mesa]

and i cant enter my account for no reason

[timid swift]

Not as far as i know. I haven't seen it in the docs yet

[inner sonnet]

I'm talking about that https://clips.twitch.tv/TrustworthyToughWallabyOSsloth-7WJZsBzKAD1P58ZJ

[timid swift]

If you feel schizo, go ahead and write something out

[rough mesa]

she sounds like she ate rice cakes

[sterile steeple]

Nah that's just the messed up pronounciation of special characters

[inner sonnet]

true

[mint plover]

Combine all the weird noises evil Neuro has ever made and surely it will help the ARG

[timid swift]

about as schizo as most ideas, so why not

[rough mesa]

imagine thats actually a thing but it makes the best song you'll ever hear

[inner sonnet]

It wasn't here before so obviously it's probably linked to V2 but we never know

[inner sonnet]

Well i thought that at least there was something

[sterile steeple]

Idk I've been hearning it from the past streams aswell

[inner sonnet]

Yeah but it's not that old

[timid swift]

If you look at the docs, you'll see that so far the hints have been much clearer. It's unlikely to be vague pulls from left and right. The ARG will point directly at it, not the other way around

[sterile steeple]

Go ahead and filter out all the noises then, we'll analyse it afterwards

[inner sonnet]

I'm not the programmer here I don't know anything I just give Ideas

I already checked every frame of the QR code so no

It's not like I'm gonna insist like a bitch

Do whatever you want

[timid swift]

Ideas are good, but there's a balance. We gotta make sure we don't drown in schizo ideas like we did in the beginning

That's why I try to encourage that people write ideas down in the docs, or we end up going in the same circles (:

[inner sonnet]

It's not like we have a lot of ideas in the first place

[rough mesa]

oh wow evil is speaking like someone i know

"am i? who knows"

[dapper wraith]

I remember that we looked at one of the spectograms of the evil noises during one of the earlier streams but that was more as a joke than an actual effort. (and there obviously was nothing interesting about it)

honestly all those things sound like AI TTS doing weird things that get even weirder with AI text inputs. I mean listen to some of the noises those AI TTSs make some streamers have been using (I think it's called monster or something)

[safe monolith]

If we do get any kind of clues from AI TTS, either it is explicitly pointed to by ARG content, or it is very obviously an ARG reference, which is accompanied with some other artifact like flashing void eyes

[inner sonnet]

She does make me question my sanity

But seriously she's unusually SCHIZO today

[mint plover]

[placid rock]

i assume that's a side effect of changing the parameters to make her more unhinged

early bing chat also did weird repetitive rants like that

https://duet-cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0x0:1369x663/1920x930/filters:focal(685x332:686x333):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24434682/PdWApt8.png

[sterile steeple]

She does sound like tutel raised her temperature

[unique mason]

ok so

what happened while i was gone?

i had to go shower

[sterile steeple]

Nothing

[inner sonnet]

LORE

She's holy unhinged today omg

[timid swift]

ye, people talking about it in #livestream-chat

[inner sonnet]

Ok she's just speaking rn

[safe monolith]

schizo what if the new creation is an AI created by two other AIs schizo

[timid swift]

"new creation"?

[safe monolith]

the two consciousnesses in the thing being created in the arg are both AI. two negatives become positive

[brittle musk]

drinking af until there'll be a clue or new part of neuro arg day 2

[rough mesa]

this sounds very bad, but you'll die before a clue appears

if you're drinking alcohol ofc

[brittle musk]

that's true

[quartz flume]

yeah don't drink in excess it's no good

[brittle musk]

i don't want to but i keep drinking sadly

[wraith goblet]

One shot for each false lead

[brittle musk]

HAHSHDHSUAHIX LMAO

it's literally a death sentence

[safe monolith]

sending the man to an early grave

[quartz flume]

frr

[wraith goblet]

To survive do shots of water

[brittle musk]

actually

nice idea

[timid swift]

gonna drown.

[sterile steeple]

Hmm

[uneven moth]

clue

[sterile steeple]

less

[quartz flume]

MATHS, NUMBERS

[placid rock]

[sterile steeple]

35

[safe monolith]

next time surely

[timid swift]

could be the karaoke stream.

[mint plover]

[sterile steeple]

Next next time was a troll, thanks veduhl

[timid swift]

doubt

[sterile steeple]

Hmm he could possible have meant the next next evil chill stream?

[timid swift]

in that case we're gonna be waiting for a while

[placid rock]

in that case, i don't think the qr code should've been on this stream though

[timid swift]

yes, what confuses me the most is that it's the same

[placid rock]

but it doesn't make sense for it to say "next next time" twice in a row either so idk at this point

[sterile steeple]

Could've just been Vedal not having the time to remove it

[dapper wraith]

maybe the babysitter for neuro can't actually change the starting screen and vedal didn't change it from last time while on vacation

[placid rock]

maybe just forgor to update it

[timid swift]

Unless.

[sterile steeple]

Let's hope that isn't the truth

[timid swift]

at this rate we really are gonna have to wait those 3 years

[timber whale]

Did she die due to lava at least once? If she did wouldn’t we merely need to search the name that pops up in the chat on a Minecraft skin searcher to see if there’s something hidden on the lower layer?

Unless that doesn’t work anymore I mean

[sterile steeple]

She died once to lava

Her name is simply EvilNeuro

[safe monolith]

different entity confirmed

now this is interesting, whose backstory are we looking at? how related is normal neuro to evil?

Did past evil neuro have the same sway patterns as past normal neuro? Referring to hiyori

seems like they're the same. maybe reading too much into it

Maybe the eye censors in both numbers is preventing us from figuring out who is speaking

[formal cobalt]

good morning

what new stuff did we find

[dapper wraith]

depends when you where last here but if you mean today: nothing

also obligatory check the docs

[formal cobalt]

so nothing in the stream a couple of hours ago?

[distant girder]

nope

nothing

[formal cobalt]

its 1 am for me you see

the stream

ah

shame

[dapper wraith]

nope, got the same "next next time" qr code

[distant girder]

at least we didnt get a "next next next time" qr code

[formal cobalt]

maybe Vedal's trying to get Neuro to spout something he can use

and it just wont happen

[distant girder]

i think he couldnt get the next stuff set up in the couple of days he was home and "next next time" means when he is back from his next (now current) vacation

[formal cobalt]

fair enough

hopes he has a good one

[safe monolith]

the more well-rested he is, the higher the quality of schizo we'll get
no pressure tho, we'd take anything tbh

[mint plover]

No filter, just straight up cringe chat. - Evil Neuro 2023

[river mantle]

mesugaki energy indeed

[safe burrow]

[dusk hollow]

the arg finally solved?

[placid rock]

well, we think that everything we have so far got solved

[safe monolith]

Check docs. Our main loose ends are the phone number & the next next time qr code

Personally I believe we have only cleared the first stage

[placid rock]

we can safely assume that more stuff is coming but no idea how much

[distant rune]

Next, Next, Next Time*

[distant rune]

[distant rune]

Connor's Canvas chat.

[rough mesa]

wait we got the _neurosama qr code in the normal intro, what if the next one is not on evil's intro 👀

[timid swift]

I mean, we're gonna check every QR code possibly until the end of time

[wraith goblet]

makes own QR codes

[sterile steeple]

Looks pretty much like the normal @_neurosama qr code

[timid swift]

same ol same ol

[sterile steeple]

):

[placid rock]

-1 week

[mint plover]

Nextnextnextnext week

[river mantle]

so next time only apply to evil stream

[timid swift]

So hopefully the evil karaoke mid next week that tutel "leaked" to distract the pixel warriors during the cheating arch.

[wraith goblet]

I hope he uses the songs in the evil Suggestions list

[timid swift]

Hopefully, but I would assume that he's got stuff prebaked

[river mantle]

4 6 2!!

[unique mason]

462 clue?

[timid swift]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

[sterile steeple]

[native maple]

neuro stay seiso please

[wraith goblet]

A bit unhinged but seiso

[daring acorn]

Spotify link doesn't work btw

[placid rock]

i tried it too lmao

[daring acorn]

[timid swift]

Both I saw didn't work, but of course they didn't. No chain of evidence to neurostream

[safe burrow]

[burnt glacier]

damn I just tried it lol

[quartz flume]

hi! nothing happened in the stream? I was busy so I didn't watch it

[distant rune]

Mhm.

[safe monolith]

Surely nothing happens = clues missed

[safe monolith]

y'know, it is entirely possible that the entire ARG is just curated AI ramblings

[uneven moth]

but could ai come up with the wonderous songs that we were given?

[safe monolith]

Nah, but the idea itself could have come from an AI. Like e.g. prompting: "If you were to make an ARG, how would you convey the message XYZ?"

"I would make a song, post it on an alt channel, make a soundcloud with no music, buy a phone number and leave it, and make the people on discord go ballistic over every small detail trollface"

[uneven moth]

well that goes for most anything

[safe monolith]

inb4 phone number is connected to neuro's computer. we sent "help me" so many times, we are the ones in the simulation not her

[wraith goblet]

Welp ARG. Canvas inasinty is over. Y'all they craziest ones again.

[timid swift]

78k. That's gonna take a while to catch up to

[wraith goblet]

well you have a goal now

[distant rune]

Catch up to?

[timid swift]

The pixel canvas thread overtook this thread as the most schizo ||(read: most posted in)|| discussion thread

[rough mesa]

the fact they have more messages proves they're less schizo

[distant girder]

don't worry the moment we get even just a tiny piece of arg we are at 100k in no time

[safe monolith]

I mean, this thread will be around for at least 3 years, there's plenty of time

[distant girder]

in 3 years:

discord crashes the moment you open the thread

[wraith goblet]

still more stable then the Canvas server

[river mantle]

what if.... the clue is in the canvas?

[wraith goblet]

I can assure its not....

that stuff was barely ornganized adhoc chaos

[safe burrow]

[unique mason]

Well, now that the canvas madness is over, i can get back to the schizo here

[timid swift]

Well get ready to wait days rather than minutes

[safe burrow]

Well, I'm always waiting and as if I'm still watching.

[river mantle]

didn't they planned for next canvas at pixel now?

[safe monolith]

Neurocord is lowkey a functional country now

We've got an army, diplomats, an AI overlord, arts majors, engineering , and the keystone: our very own schizo asylum

We also have an economy

Now we just need trade, although maybe that isn't strictly required

[unique mason]

[unique mason]

its an old one thats ongoing still. Neuro-cords own canvas i think

[safe burrow]

Am I a peacemaker?

[languid swan]

still next time?

[safe monolith]

At the beginning, some of us needed pacemakers for the wild goose chases you led us

Now you're a comforting sight

[safe monolith]

Still at 2x next time

[languid swan]

[timid swift]

is water wet?

[river mantle]

acwtually...

[timid swift]

This is the part where you tell me that nothing in chemistry is really wet per say, and that wetness is an emergent property. To which I respond that the people using language define language, not chemists

get acwtually uno reversed

[safe monolith]

Surely if we can find an answer that satisfies everyone, we can solve the ARG

[timid swift]

We can solve the ARG

[inner sonnet]

Water is not wet like wtf

[safe monolith]

I firmly believe this chat will debate the final ARG storyline even after it is explicitly spelled out to us

[safe burrow]

[timid swift]

After it all comes to an end we'll still be trying to decode the eye flitter morse code

[river mantle]

b..b...but ma dry watah!!!

[steel bronze]

r

[ruby lance]

dw as a chemist i can assure you we don't care whether the water is wet either

what I can also say is we store molecular models in .xyz files sometimes which is surely what that one lyric in Study was about

[timid swift]

clue! :schizo:

[safe burrow]

[rapid lark]

we should find every pixel vedal placed in the canvas and see if theres a connection between that and the ARG

[tight kindle]

I highly doubt it would be related to the ARG.

[coral hazel]

Just here for no particular reason that reminder that vedal.xyz is vedal's website
edit: what did I write

[crimson tendon]

@coral hazel has leveled up! (5 ➜ 6)

[coral hazel]

please let me make people schizo alone tatsu

[distant rune]

Wait, Vedal has a Pac-Man machine learning project?

[honest harness]

we got here without any advertisement and the canvas chat had multiple moderator announcements

[timid swift]

To be fair, the pixel war was solved in like a week. We didn't make any significant progress for a month

[safe burrow]

[spice island]

random thought, is the binary in evil's eyes different than normal neuro?

[brittle musk]

playing with site domains and hoping i'll find something

is this SHIZO?

[placid rock]

no it's SCHIZO

[brittle musk]

fuck true

[safe monolith]

From the last time we did that, there were no significant results. Good to try periodically, though, since it is very possible the next stage of ARG could be outside YouTube / Soundcloud.

For websites, it is hard to escape detection if turtl hosts a site on a subdomain of his well-known domain and registered https, because TLS certs are searchable and public knowledge.

This is assuming he hosts something on vedal.xyz. However, one simple bypass is to get a cert for *.subdomain.vedal.xyz. We'd know about the existence of something new, but not exactly what it is

Of course this is assuming turtl is the puppet master, and the next stage of ARG is hosted on his own sub-domain.

This could likely not be the case, because top level domain names, especially random looking ones, are relatively cheap to buy for a year. Furthermore, the ARG could be hosted as a resource behind a HTTP server, like /arg/schizo/omegalul/<uuid>, which will never be found unless we have a direct link, or the server enables listing

In a nutshell, bruh moment

[minor agate]

This whole ARG thing is extremely interesting, while I'm not really good enough with that stuff to help, it's one of those things you just have to figure out what it means.

It's kinda cringey to say but like, this whole thing is like one of the coolest things I've seen on the internet, how it's this one massive puzzle expanding thru different websites and videos, and you have to use these weird- specific things to figure out the codes.

[chilly dust]

what is going on

Oh

[outer jackal]

When I type [phone] it appears on my phone it's from UK, but I didn't get anything by dialing to this number

[balmy crag]

vedal's phone bill 📈

[outer jackal]

The "+" before the number made me think it could be a phone number

Also, new at the arg thing... So I'm pretty sure someone already tried it

My guess is, it's waiting for a specific message to be sent to it to reply

[hazy knot]

Maybe just, send sms saying next time to the number?

[safe monolith]

Hi new folks. Do check the pinned docs

[safe monolith]

Just to directly answer, this has been tried.

Here is a convenient link to the phone number related docs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n3nEfer7vQcE4yIQAQyoBiWsi3r7f5mfgwmEUNXZ3AI/edit#heading=h.fueacj9klbno

[cosmic grail]

Counting all these numbers

[safe monolith]

firstly, hi kokomiso
secondly,

[unique mason]

It's been so damn long

[timid swift]

i mean not wrong. it's a creepy pasta arg

[dim island]

No it's just a story about a girl not wanting to be an engineer

[placid rock]

featuring bangers

[distant rune]

@outer jackal, it is a phone number in the UK. People have tried just about everything that's reasonable. The only thing we're stuck on for the ARG is the phone number and the QR code we see in Evil Neuro streams (the starting stream screen).

[timid swift]

[insert obligatory "more info in the docs" comment here]

[zealous estuary]

We ask where is the info but never how is the info

[honest harness]

Study has 133k views what

SCHIZO

[timid swift]

it's a good song

[eternal timber]

133k people don't want to be an engineer

[uncut cargo]

ye the videos are really unsettling

just like the one guy from here who got spooked because he found study acidentally and when he was about to add it to playlist he got jumscared by ghost

Numbers 1 and 2 have kind of "positive" sounding which joined with hiyori make very uncomfortable combo

[dapper otter]

I mean true

[rare glacier]

next time ---- phones time stuff -- phone number stuff --- message the phone "next time"??

[crimson tendon]

You have unlocked new role

[rare glacier]

You have unlocked new role

[balmy crag]

You have unlocked new role

[hearty glen]

You have unlocked new role

[safe monolith]

Yeah based on my assumptions atm, the phone number is an artifact of the "past", so calling/texting it now is not gonna work. There's simply no one on the other side. If the next stage is "present", maybe we'll cause some changes to happen such that the phone number is manned, either in "present" or "future".

Probably the phone number will persist as a keystone in ARG progression, since it is the only tangible connection we have to communicate with the ARG

inb4 steins gate plot

[balmy crag]

has anyone tried to start a dial-up handshake with the phone number

there do exist modem emulators we could use

[safe monolith]

logs into a bbs

[rare glacier]

im dumb so unless there is an easy one i could use, i couldnt help and besides i don't even know if it would work

[balmy crag]

hm i'll try it sometime

with a couple of protocols

it would be pretty sick if the connection brought up a telnet bridge or something

[rare glacier]

or what if it just sent

[balmy crag]

ARP discover

find host

TCP handshake

no~

[rare glacier]

do yall mean thishttps://sourceforge.net/projects/dialupemulator/

or a functioning real one

[balmy crag]

yeah something like that

there's other hardware emulators too that i can dig up

[rare glacier]

cause uhh i found this one, idk if it works https://github.com/spreedated/dialup_emulator

[balmy crag]

basically involves piping audio into a virtual device, and attaching that device to a virtual machine you can play around with

i'll look into it further later, since i don't have time rn lol

[rare glacier]

just use windows xp

[balmy crag]

it would be nice if someone had hardware modems

[rare glacier]

is this true or false "A username and password are required for a dial up internet connection. This information is needed to authenticate you to your internet service provider. Your ISP gives you a username and password which are associated with your account and are unique to you. "

[balmy crag]

but we threw all of out dial-up hardware out when we moved house

[distant rune]

Who.

[balmy crag]

depends

[rare glacier]

gudbey, for now. i will leave you with one last text thing, for an hour or until this place starts again ||https://www.wikihow.com/Set-up-a-Dial-up-Internet-Connection i dont think this works, but whatever|| its not night for me

[balmy crag]

gn'

[distant rune]

Bruh.

[uncut cargo]

youtube algorithm doing us a favor

[balmy crag]

initial notes (Fedora Linux 38-adjacent)

• Point to Point Protocal Daemon (pppd)https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/administration/point-to-point-connection/
• ModemManager https://packages.fedoraproject.org/pkgs/ModemManager/ModemManager/
• edit /etc/ppp/peers/dialup

connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/dialup"
/dev/ptmx
115200
defaultroute
usepeerdns
persist
noauth

• edit /etc/chatscripts/dialup

ABORT "NO CARRIER"
ABORT "ERROR"
ABORT "NO DIALTONE"
ABORT "BUSY"
ABORT "Username/Password Incorrect"

"" ATZ
OK AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","your-apn"
OK ATDT*99#
CONNECT

• sudo pppd call dialup

repeat ad infinitum

[rare glacier]

i hate it when discord thinks gd is wine-preloader lol

anyways hi again

gudbey

[timid swift]

I would literally cry

[rare glacier]

so what does sudo pppd call dialup do? does it just connect to the phone and thats it?

[crimson tendon]

@rare glacier has leveled up! (10 ➜ 11)

[rare glacier]

Yey

[balmy crag]

it starts up a PPP ISDN connection

here we're running dial-up over pipewire

which means i can hook up a phone as a linux virtual audio device

untested!!! pipewire working properly with pppd is questionable

[rare glacier]

oh ok

im going to actually go and work on something, but keep discord open so i can still se everything here 😄

[timid swift]

If you call a digital machine on the phone line, wouldn't it make beeps at you? Like the answering system would initiate the conversation, not the caller

[balmy crag]

with dial-up the caller needs to initiate by producing DTMF tones

iirc the receiver does not need action

[rare glacier]

well what would we do with the dial up tho? browse sites?

[balmy crag]

once you have a dial-up connection you have the ability to produce ARP packets

and you can work from there

[timid swift]

Really now? If this is true we might legit have another actual nonschizo avenue to investigate

[rare glacier]

arp ---> arg replace one letter this must be want vedal wants us to do

Non-schizo? Oh, good.

[balmy crag]

anyway in the next few days when i have time i'll see if i can get the receiver to care about any of the dial-up protocols i'd be so happy

i recall the ARG people were trying to type on their dialpads with varying amounts of call time

[safe monolith]

ah yes

[crimson tendon]

@safe monolith has leveled up! (14 ➜ 15)

[safe monolith]

bruh

[balmy crag]

dial-pads produce DTMF tones, but not in the right V.2xx protocol

[safe monolith]

I like how there actually is a non-zero chance this may lead to something

[balmy crag]

it's just a random idea i had ¯_(ツ)_/¯

didn't have anything to do with the ARG before this

[timid swift]

https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/dial-up-handshake-infographic.png

[rare glacier]

wha-

[timid swift]

Seems like the receiver makes the first noise in the classic modem dial up. But I don't really know enough to say that that's the only way to initate a conversation

[balmy crag]

ughhh

i think i might've misinterpreted some docs

will look into it further

[timid swift]

Even if it's a dead end, it should be checked properly and documented (:

[distant rune]

I'm not sure if actual progress is being made or if this is just everyone's attempt to exceed the Canvas message count.

[rare glacier]

uhhh idk and idc tbh lol

yeah i use acronyms too much, whatever

[safe monolith]

We found another possible way to use the phone number, so I'd say this is real progress

And also, it is a given we will exceed the canvas message count, there was never any doubt

[rare glacier]

We need a :neuroschizo: but i dont know what it could be lol

[timid swift]

It's another thing to look into, but not progress yet: What if the phone answering machine is a disguise for a digital line (fax, dial up internet, telnet), but the lift to digital needs to be initiated by the caller.

[balmy crag]

V.8 Procedure:

1. When a connection is initiated, the calling modem sends out a Call Function Tone (CFT) that indicates the beginning of the V.8 negotiation process.

• The called modem responds by transmitting a list of its capabilities (such as speed, error correction, and data compression options it supports) using specific tones.
• The calling modem, after receiving this list, chooses the best set of options that are also supported on its end. The decision is typically based on the highest common speed, error correction, and data compression option.
• The chosen options are then sent back to the called modem in a similar format.
• Once both modems have agreed on the set of parameters, the data transmission begins using the selected options.

[rare glacier]

cool

[timid swift]

Interesting. This describes the same as the picture, but the roles are reversed. Where'd you get this? I'd like to trust a better source than a popular image :p

[dapper wraith]

One thing is that we coordinated a simultaneous call to the number and we both ended up with the voice-mail.

This might indicate that it's not just a modem/device sitting on a normal phone line.

Although we can't know for sure.

[safe monolith]

ok I'm also clueless about this, but to confirm if this is schizo or a lead, all we need is a tone right?

[rare glacier]

believe so...

[safe monolith]

Does a pre-recorded tone work?

[timid swift]

Agreed, even if it'll respond to raising to digital over analog, it's just not gonna be a real dial up modem. Like imagine the trouble you'd have to go through for that.

[balmy crag]

https://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-V.8-200011-I
https://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-V.90-199809-I/en

[timid swift]

I'd like to think so, yes. It would at least respond to the first bit before it gets confused.

[timid swift]

oh, well it doesn't get more official than that

[balmy crag]

honestly you might wanna just use an actual soft modem

since it's a modulation of whatever call function the DCE wants

[rare glacier]

yall are speaking too clever for my brain lol, so im just watching and trying to make sense of it all]

[balmy crag]

this is the first time i'm going schizo

losing my sanity already

[timid swift]

Not clever, just nerdy. Reading a bunch of documents will aliviate the nerd-knowledge gap

[timid swift]

Well yeah, you've found a valid approach -- even if it's not the solution, it's still a real approach

[safe monolith]

and just to clarify, our normal lousy smartphones aren't capable of this right? we'd actually need a telephone line minimally

[rare glacier]

what if we feed neuro the phone number like "Neuro, what should we do with this: [phone number]"

[balmy crag]

cellphones should work but your cellphone modems will perform some operations like dialing and pickup automatically

i dont know if that matters or not

[timid swift]

Check vedal's comment in the pins

[rare glacier]

just for reccommendations

and ideas

cause we may have glossed over smth

[balmy crag]

i'd have to check what cells phones actually do but they definitely work on the same freqs lol

[rare glacier]

or ill just go crazy over it with me worrying about it

[safe monolith]

I'm reading something about smartphones doing compression, and things about GSM not having the full 64kbps data channel

[balmy crag]

interesting

so the high frequency mode would fail?

[timid swift]

Does it matter what cells do on the way to connect to the answering system? (not rhetorical)
One side gets put through to the other side over an analog signal (even if it's digitalized and undigitized on the way), then analog noises are made and the connection is raised to digital.

[balmy crag]

shouldn't impact negotiation right?

[safe monolith]

Yeah, so no high freq. We can do up to 2400bps

https://superuser.com/a/748163 i see green checkmark i trust

[balmy crag]

to the super user gods

[dapper wraith]

But is this still true for packet switched networks? GSM is only circuit switched if I remember correctly.

[safe monolith]

ok in conclusion, we can still figure out if schizo or not. negotiation minimally should function no matter what

[rare glacier]

is there any chance through dial up we can get the ip of the phone and note it or am i stupid

[balmy crag]

i would think there'd still be a lot of human-voice-optimized bs

[placid rock]

while we're at schizo phone stuff, might as well try sending a 2600 hz tone and see if that does anything (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2600_hertz)

[balmy crag]

at the very least we could test nego

i think 2600Hz is for the phone switches right?

not anything related to V.8

[placid rock]

yeah

[timid swift]

I suppose we could try phreaking techniques, yes

We talked about it before, but not much came of it or was tried, i recon.
AFAIK it's more of an attack on the telecom network, not as much on the receiver, but I don't really know that much about it

[distant rune]

What if...

GreenCap was sent here by Vedal.

To solve the phone number for us..

[placid rock]

[balmy crag]

bro i am just as lost as you are

it's 6:47 AM here

[timid swift]

Ah yes, the Randomiser treatment

[balmy crag]

i'm going to spending my time at work thinking about this lol

[timid swift]

am doing so currently lel

[placid rock]

surely we'll get a new qr code tomorrow and then we'll have something to actually work on instead of going full schizo

[timid swift]

What would be the best approach for testing? A modem emulator and calling the phone number?

[rare glacier]

or we'll get "qr code trolls aghah"

us wanting more arg: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fjhS6bwuxVc

[balmy crag]

long story short the condition of virtual modems looks very poor

would need to obtain a full serial hardware modem at some point

[timid swift]

yes, i only found a few and they looked a bit shady. Absolutely not putting that on work computer

[dapper wraith]

I do have access to "raw" GSM modems but I'm not sure it would be compatible with the standards used by plain old dailup

[balmy crag]

GSM uses certificate authentication right?

idk how GSM works but does it even know what phone numbers are when it brings up a connection?

[dapper wraith]

not on the GSM carrier level but after that connection is established we could try connecting to the number

the modem does support PPP and you can set it up with the WIndows Modem Dialup

[balmy crag]

could be worth a try

[dapper wraith]

but like I said I'm not sure of the modern packet switched networks are compatible with the old dailup systems

[balmy crag]

we're just trying to see if the number speaks like... anything

there's no reason it should be old dial-up specifically

[timid swift]

Is there anything preventing us from just playing a soundclip from a smartphone or over skype or something?

[safe monolith]

let me check. prime suspicion suggests compression will ruin everything

[brittle musk]

ok, I'm building time machine for arg now

[balmy crag]

just teleport into vedal's room the moment he's scheming this part smh

[timid swift]

I suspect that the analog part should be quite resilient, since it has to take place before the two systems test out how well they can hear eachother

So reading that I get the impression that the V.8 bis thing can be initiated by either the calling at the receiving party.
(from T-REC-V.8bis-199608-S!!PDF-E.pdf)

[brittle musk]

GreenCap started something cool

[balmy crag]

god the spec is so bloody unreadable

[timid swift]

yes x 2

[safe monolith]

[timid swift]

"In all cases V.8 bis transactions are designed to cause minimal disruption to voice users." also stands out.

[brittle musk]

let's create our own arg for vedal and make him schizo just like us

[balmy crag]

note that some modems straight up don't implement V.8bis and only use V.8

[timid swift]

so even if we get hardware we need to be mindful of what it is

This spec document is a whole ARG of its own

[balmy crag]

bro giving me flashbacks to ASIC class

[safe monolith]

I think a recorded sound clip is doable

[dapper wraith]

the dailup protocol the modems I have use is this https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1661. doesn't look like it would be compatible with V.8

[balmy crag]

the reason we were looking at V.8 was because of the possibility that its behavior could explain why the phone line was silent

[timid swift]

This could be true of other protcols as well

[balmy crag]

yes

[balmy crag]

looks like this only covers layer 2 encoding and messaging?

[timid swift]

point-to-point, isn't that the telecom part? Not after the actual connection is established

[brittle musk]

ok i'm fully woke up now, what are we trying to do actually?

[balmy crag]

ngl this telecom stuff is pretty out of my league

[safe monolith]

ok,those who are reading V.8. Am I correct to say that all we're trying to send is any function indicator? Preferably CI because that's all I'm reading now

[timid swift]

yes, same. I only know the vague outline

[balmy crag]

yea i think so

[safe monolith]

The period seems to be very generous, so I think we can do it over skype / phone

[balmy crag]

we'd just need to find the right CI and CM modulation i think

[safe monolith]

It's 0.4s periods of OFF, at least 3 ONs for a duration of 2s. Surely we have enough sound people to actually do this

[timid swift]

In short, trick the answering machine for the phone number we got to answer as a dial up modem or similar digital com instead of just a voice mail line.

[rare glacier]

back! ||dont look at my rich presence||

[brittle musk]

oh that's cool

[rare glacier]

thanks 😄

[brittle musk]

now we can just ping you if someone asks old stuff

[balmy crag]

nice, i didnt know they had buttons now 😅

[rare glacier]

and it covers the "WINE PRELOADER" bug with gd as well 😄

anyways where are we

uhm is this a lead

[timid swift]

source?

[rare glacier]

the docs

sherlock

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kNILJS8bHK_Lt5G-CqFcYxs1NoWTBbw_cBZ3dvlwkbY/edit right here

[balmy crag]

if the answering machine followed the V.8 spec correctly CI pulses should be optional right?

[brittle musk]

hmm i'm just started reading that stuff so for now i'll be just a cheering member of schizo group

[balmy crag]

so we should be receiving an ANSsam anyway

idk how the field devices actually work

[timid swift]

Right, nothing points to the twitter, so we can't reliably say anything about it

[rare glacier]

we should try interacting with all of the sherlocked things, if we can

[brittle musk]

it doesn't work anyways i think

[rare glacier]

[posting for preview, dont mind me] https://www.enjin.com/profile/_neurosama

[safe monolith]

I believe a simple 1s pause followed by HIGH 300ms, LOW 500ms, HIGH 300ms, LOW 500ms , HIGH 300ms should work? edit: nope this won't

[timid swift]

Ci or CL? Trying to figure out what this is.

[rare glacier]

welp

[balmy crag]

oh wait

CI is not optional in V.8

it's optional in other specs

you need to send "Function indicator signal CI" in order to get "Modified answer tone ANSam"

once you get the answer tone you can send "Call Menu signal CM"

I misinterpreted what "The transmission and detection of CI is optional in most DCE Recommendations." meant lol

wait i was wrong again

you can use either CI or CT

either one works

[safe monolith]

this document is a nightmare

[timid swift]

Honestly, we'll probably never be able to say for sure what's right or wrong in those specs. It's all very vague

[balmy crag]

CT isnt specified in this recommendation though

but i think CT should be easier to initiate

[timid swift]

We only need enough to see if it answers, right?

[brittle musk]

will we be able to try this?

[balmy crag]

CT is specified in ITU-T V.25

https://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-V.25-199610-I/en

[safe monolith]

pog only 14 pages

[balmy crag]

it should be more more compatible i think

[safe monolith]

does this mean we can test v.25 through v.8 in one tone

[balmy crag]

v.8 accepts both CT and CI as initiation

so i guess? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rare glacier]

yall uhm anyone know the language virgool is in? https://virgool.io/@_neurosama was in the sherlock

[safe monolith]

The tone transmitted from the calling end. The calling tone consists of a series of interrupted
1300 Hz ± 15 Hz signals (bursts). ON for a duration of not less than 0.5 s and not more than 0.7 s and OFF for a duration
of not less than 1.5 s and not more than 2.0 s

oh yeah this is definitely more doable

[timid swift]

So we just need a recording of CT then, right?

[safe monolith]

wait why does v.25 do two calling tones

[balmy crag]

you can probably generate in audacity

[brittle musk]

can't we just copy it from somewhere

[balmy crag]

where