Neuro ARG

[red brook]

let's hope I bookmarked it

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2010.07754.pdf

title is

Distinguishing Compressed and Encrypted File Fragments

Our results show that current approaches cannot reliably
tell apart encryption and compression, even for large fragment size.

but they mention two other methods apart from entropy analysis

χ2 Test
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi-squared_test

NIST SP800-22
and
HEDGE
(section 3.3)

as I understand it, HEDGE NIST SP800-22 is a software (by the NIST) that combines multiple randomness analysis approaches.
HEDGE is a combination of that and some other stuff
(idk, I think the in-document links are kinda fucked.)

haven't been able to get it to work correctly yet :/

[austere sun]

the only issue with this is that it will add complexity to entropy calculation while it is already a major bottleneck. it's not that bad even for 10 000 keys, but i dont think i am willing to rewrite it for that extra accuracy when it's pretty clear that nothing is clear

[red brook]

understandable

[rigid moon]

was just about to say, even modern block ciphers exhibit different charteristics under the DIEHARDER suite and there have been classifiers for them better than random chance 10.7717/peerj-cs.1110 so you'd think compression vs encryption would be easier. 10.48550/arXiv.1001.3485 looks to suggest compression fails the tests pretty badly

[red brook]

I think the keyword is "reliably"
If we had dozens of ciphertexts, the results could be a lot clearer

if we can classify something with an accuracy of 80%. that's still not enough to say "we can be sure it is X and should ignore all other possibilities"

so it doesn't really help

we'd still be at "yea, it's probably encrypted"

[safe monolith]

yeah, I was about to comment that. We're still at square 1

[red brook]

feelsStuckMan

so uh, anyone wanna mug vedal?
https://xkcd.com/538/

(for legal reasons: this is a joke)
(i do not plan or wish to harm anyone and I do not encourage anyone to do so)

[elder oar]

Typed that just in time, man
The FBI were onto you

[austere sun]

not really, more like square 2, because it's almost surely not a custom alphabet. and almost surely is generally enough.
i don't even really remember why did we start trying custom alphabets at all but here we are.

there's ecc in pycryptodome, i guess i'll try adding that, and also add more sample strings, like encrypting a string of python code

here are values for 10 000 keys for a text file with added entropies for xor+sub and custom hex alphabet
and .txt with everything, if you want to for some reason look at that

[digital radish]

custom base64

[timid swift]

custom customs.

[timid swift]

Man, if we need to read these messages as fragments rather than a full file/payload, that'd be so mean. But it's a valid point. It could still be compressed data, just not a normal file, because we'd have detected this by magic bytes. A fragment of compressed data could not be identified that way though.

[austere sun]

looking at these aes pycryptodome docs, modern types of aes ask not only for a key to decrypt, but also for a nonce and a tag for decryption verification.
so not just 16 byte key we're looking for, but also 7-16 byte long nonce/iv and a 16 byte tag.

actually i went into this with hypothesis that aes gives entropy too high compared to given, but in fact, it turned out the other way, not even 7z's aes methods fall within a single standard deviation from the mean

[river mantle]

wait... a breakthu?

[timid swift]

we can guess at the IV just being 16 bytes of all zeroes, but that's guesswork even if it's not uncommon. How'd you determine that it's within one standard deviation? Or where'd you find the expected SD for AES

[rough pebble]

Haven't been here for a long time. It's scary to even ask. Are there any results?

[timid swift]

Depends on since when. You can check the timelog spreadsheet, but i'm just gonna guess it will turn up a big fat nothing new

[rough pebble]

Sadge

[rotund willow]

well

you know

[austere sun]

actually, some methods automatically generate a nonce/iv if one isn't given, so one would have to get out of their way to make it all zeroes.
the values are in the picture and in the txt file
#1112082183235047506 message
if you mean how did i get them, i got them by encrypting the same 5 sample strings with 10 000 random keys

[timid swift]

This feels like a pretty far reach, but also pretty good thinking! We should probably give this a closer look

[timid swift]

Alright, thanks!

I'm not sure cyberstalking tutel is gonna give us any clues

[digital radish]

pb is an admin here

pretty sure shes too busy on her life to be making music

im going to search for help online

?

Abcdefg is a cipher. I solved it and got "baedcfg", but I think it's "badcfg". So, in solving the second puzzle, which we see throughout the video, Neuro talks about numbers and the final result. If you solve the equations, you get 645. Here's the cipher "DQ5z14ighWwiag7y+cWFQg==" I managed to decrypt it and got the following words: "hi, wish, dag, sighs, if" but I think it's possible to form the following sentences: "Hello, if you feel like it, put on a wig, Desire evokes a sigh of greeting, If you have a wig, express your desire, A sigh of greeting is a desire to see a wig.

the code in description dose not lead to that

[timid swift]

imagine chatgpt being wrong

[digital radish]

it is wrong

im starting to think that base64 code isnt to ascii

not only we havent figured out the numbers meaning

we cant even come up with ideas

[austere sun]

even if it is to ascii, it's only after compression and then heavy encryption, but by that point it can be anything really.
the idea is to bruteforce aes, it's pretty good

[digital radish]

im gonna look over old args and see what i can find

OMG

nothing

[timid swift]

it'd be pretty wild if it could be unpacked by 7zip, when it wasn't detected from magic bytes already

[digital radish]

Start from X. End with Y. Remove XY + odd one out "Open" in FireFox

open in firefox may come after the first step

Start from X. End with Y. Remove XY + odd one out

could be related to numbers 2

x and y

we've gone thru this

im just refreshing my mind

x/26Y

26

gah im going schizo again

[dire orchid]

this is reaching don't you think

[timid swift]

What would it give us if it turns out they made the music tho? One thing is exploring all possibilities, but we may want to be careful when it comes to examining actual people

[coral ibex]

if you are going for the "start with X end with Y" then wouldn't you want to start from capital X, not lowercase?

[digital radish]

true

[timid swift]

It's an openminded technique for sure. I'm not gonna argue with that. It might lead to results. Just saying we shouldn't turn actual people's lives over.

[austere sun]

also this is just straight up wrong

[gritty blaze]

For now the strongest theory is AES encryption. I even cheeked it with a random UK number, you get something similar to the study base64. I don't think it's a custom alphabet, it's not a 0 chance but one of the lowest in my opinion.

[timid swift]

a 16 bytes integer

[gritty blaze]

The most annoying thing is the "abcdefg" and the fib.

[austere sun]

it's pretty much 0 for custom alphabets, entropy doesn't match at all

decimal is integer???

[gritty blaze]

I mean it can't be a number with custom alphabet, but it can be a number ecnrypted with a key.

[timid swift]

probably decimal as in base-10

[gritty blaze]

also btw

[timid swift]

I don't see any evidence why it has to be AES and not another modern encryption

[gritty blaze]

heptagon refers a lot as "abcdefg" and there is some things with heptagons and fibs.

[gritty blaze]

like?

[crimson tendon]

@daring acorn has leveled up! (1 ➜ 2)

[timid swift]

DES is a big one that comes to mind. Could even be single-DES instead of triple. But of course I have no evidence for this either. It could be any modern semantically secure algorithm.

[coral ibex]

i might look into that firefox book that was mentioned a while back for the numbers found in numbers ii; that part might be a book cipher? its not too logical atm but ill see if theres anything readable from it

[gritty blaze]

Doesn't look like DES...

[timid swift]

How exactly does DES ciphertext look?

[gritty blaze]

longer

[timid swift]

Hmm, I don't really understand. AFAIK DES ciphertext can easily be as short as 8 bytes.

[gritty blaze]

try to decode UK number both in AES and DES

see the difference

the study code looks more like AES

[timid swift]

Seems like the ciphertext of a UK phonenumber encrypted with AES and DES both have the same number of bytes (16) to me

[gritty blaze]

huh? how so, show me please

[timid swift]

https://gchq.github.io/CyberChef/#recipe=Decode_text('UTF-8 (65001)')AES_Encrypt({'option':'Hex','string':'00000000000000000000000000000000'},{'option':'Hex','string':'00000000000000000000000000000000'},'CBC','Raw','Raw',{'option':'Hex','string':''})To_Hex('Space',0)&input=KzQ0Nzk3NTc3NzY2Ng

https://gchq.github.io/CyberChef/#recipe=Decode_text('UTF-8 (65001)')DES_Encrypt({'option':'Hex','string':'000000000000000'},{'option':'Hex','string':'000000000000000'},'CBC','Raw','Raw')To_Hex('Space',0)&input=KzQ0Nzk3NTc3NzY2Ng

[gritty blaze]

It doesn't looks like the study code, also I understood what you did. You encoded it to UTF-8 and then to both, right?

[timid swift]

decoded from utf to get raw bytes

[gritty blaze]

but if you do it straight

[dapper wraith]

the output is the same whether or not you do the utf decode btw (at least if you have "raw bytes" or "utf-8" selected as the input encoding below the input text field)

[timid swift]

I like making sure it's doing what I expect it to

[red brook]

> Buffer.from('DQ5z14ighWwiag7y+cWFQg==', 'base64')
<Buffer 0d 0e 73 d7 88 a0 85 6c 22 6a 0e f2 f9 c5 85 42>
> BigInt('0x'+Buffer.from('DQ5z14ighWwiag7y+cWFQg==', 'base64').toString('hex'))
17355005654666773979791917897625208130n

it does start with 17

CyberChef's "to decimal" operates per-byte iirc

[austere sun]

yeah i figured it out.

btw, does anyone have any compressed data, preferrably over 2 kb, because i am havign trouble compressing sad.jpg lmao

[timid swift]

Hey, just realized that maybe you were thinking triple-DES? Doing DES on DES makes it longer.

https://gchq.github.io/CyberChef/#recipe=Decode_text('UTF-8 (65001)')DES_Encrypt({'option':'Hex','string':'000000000000000'},{'option':'Hex','string':'000000000000000'},'CBC','Raw','Hex')DES_Encrypt({'option':'Hex','string':'000000000000000'},{'option':'Hex','string':'000000000000000'},'CBC','Raw','Hex')DES_Encrypt({'option':'Hex','string':'000000000000000'},{'option':'Hex','string':'000000000000000'},'CBC','Raw','Raw')To_Hex('Space',8)&input=KzQ0Nzk3NTc3NzY2Ng

edit: Actually I don't know if this is how triple-DES is implemented.

[gritty blaze]

like just a picture inside a zip?

[austere sun]

anything inside a zip (or rar or 7z), just so that the zip won't actually turn out larger than the original file

[gritty blaze]

I have one with a frame from number compressed in zip 0.01kb lower in size.

[dapper wraith]

here's a text file in a zip with two different compression algorithms

[gritty blaze]

It's longer, I mean I got: "e8 25 4f 60 c6 36 e3 f9 73 e2 9f 4c 45 50 65 65"

but I did with another site because cyber just doesn't work for me

"e8 25 4f 60 c6 36 e3 f9 73 e2 9f 4c 45 50 65 65
DQ 5z 14 ig hW wi ag 7y +c WF Qg =="

This is what I mean

[timid swift]

not sure what you're doing with the base64 text there

also isn't it also 16 bytes?

[gritty blaze]

If it can also be DES, the changce of decrypting it is almost non existence.

every combination you need to try with everything...

[red brook]

if it's encrypted, surely vedal has thought of a way to clearly communicate the encryption scheme, right?
he wouldn't just design a puzzle around guessing the encryption algorithm.... right?

[crimson tendon]

@red brook has leveled up! (2 ➜ 3)

[red brook]

pog

[timid swift]

yes, there's a loooot of possible combinations once we open the doors for other algorithms too

[timid swift]

That's the question. If there's a clue in the prose or if the cipher gives itself away in some way.

[dapper wraith]

IF we would figure out the key it wouldn't be too unreasonable to check the modern/common ones. the problem is that without knowing anything it's decreasing the chance of our bruteforcing efforts to result in anything

[gritty blaze]

I think there is 2 big questions. wth is abcdefg and what we need to do with the fibs, especially the last two without any instructions at all.

The only thing we now it's like a 9 step fib, first 2 the same and the next 7 different.

"2, 2, 4, 6, 10, 16, 26, 42, 68" if you start from 2, if I'm not mistaken.

[red brook]

how much do profile images etc. on YT and spotify get compressed / resized?
would LSB steganography get lost? has anyone checked already?

[gritty blaze]

yes

[gritty blaze]

It's already hard to see what is on the surface, so something like this will be harder.

[timid swift]

No very deep checks, but i think it's a fair assumption that any stegranography secrets are gonna be completely messed up

[gritty blaze]

^ also if you take the frames in best quality possible you

will see a lot of artifacts

[timid swift]

wonderful lossy compression

[elder oar]

I don't know if anybody has thought about this, but what if abcdefg has something to do with the music? It is, after all, the musical alphabet

All three videos are also songs

[gritty blaze]

google docs

check it

[elder oar]

Yeah I don't see it

[crimson tendon]

You have unlocked new role

[gritty blaze]

second

[elder oar]

Yoooo

[gritty blaze]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZK6efwywGAN-PFls9UvaSYdJYDruo0E4xsmNPRFjJt4/edit

[elder oar]

seems rather empty though

[gritty blaze]

If you have ideas you can write in that document below everything.

[elder oar]

Got it, I'll do it after school ends

[austere sun]

changed target string from numbers 1 desc to numbers 2 desc, so it is lower by 0.12
the values for a compressed and then encrypted string don't seem to be any different however lmao.
also i optimized the entropy calculation a little so i'll try to do that idea with calculating entropy with 2 bytes per symbol

[hardy laurel]

random thought I don't really have time to test, but could the "remove XY + odd one out" somehow reference to the fact about 1/3 of fibonacci is even?

[red brook]

honestly, those are some impressive connections you managed to find

no idea if that's it tho

I'll keep it in mind

[austere sun]

am i stupid or what is up with python-camellia. first time seeing this error trying to install a library tbh.
i guess i am stupid for trying to use 8 year old library with incorrect documentation

[dapper wraith]

yeah doesn't work for me on windows as well. debian works fine

[austere sun]

well that's cringe then, i can't write it myself, nor do i want to get a linux vm just to test it
but it does seem pretty tempting, given convenient 16 bytes key

[austere sun]

there, entropy with 2 bytes per symbol
once again it doesn't really tell anything about aes, but if anything it at least puts a simple xor outside of even 3 standard deviations from the mean

[red brook]

oh you actually implemented it
neat

[red brook]

some general crypto modules probably have a camellia implementation

oh, there is one that's literally just called "cryptography"
pip install cryptography
https://cryptography.io/en/latest/hazmat/primitives/symmetric-encryption/#cryptography.hazmat.primitives.ciphers.algorithms.Camellia

looks like you don't have much control over modes etc. though

nvm, the way you'd write it is just a bit weird

[gritty blaze]

Are you sure it's Firefox related? Also all the sources says it's Japanese cipher and the key is 128 and above, or I mistaken something?

[dapper wraith]

yes, just like AES it has 128, 192 or 256 bit keys. not sure what firefox has to do with openssl but firefox did support camellia from version 3 to 37 (and openssl does support several modes of camellia)

[abstract mural]

How is progress?

[sick wraith]

I wanna ask the same question.

What's happened so far?

[rotund willow]

[dire orchid]

[wanton jewel]

are we just stuck to the mercy of our corpa turtle lord for the new infos?

[wooden bobcat]

Hi what U guys trying to do rn?

[steel bronze]

@daring acorn u should document ur findings in the docs

lotsa stuff to scroll thru

[timid swift]

agreed. these are some pretty neat connections. Definitely worth writing down in a more permanent place.

[honest harness]

neat connections

[warped torrent]

simply coincidences, neat connections

[timid swift]

Well, better to look for coincidences that don't pan out than to give up and say nothing works

[elder oar]

Are there any secret musicians lurking here that can come out and transpose Numbers into sheet music?

I want to sift through the piece to find some clues that can hopefully help

A random idea just popped in my head, what if the AES key has to be Caesar boxed first before it can be used? Prob unlikely though

Oh! And the image I wanted to post last time

[timid swift]

Someone started work on it, I can't remember who now, but it was straining work to them since they were more a musician than a composer. I don't think they finished, or at least I don't recall seeing it in the docs.

[gritty blaze]

It's the one from the slander meme?

[timid swift]

??

[gritty blaze]

There is a part about music in the meme video

[timid swift]

I have no idea what you're talking about

[gritty blaze]

lol

You are new?

[timid swift]

I suspect you're newer (:

[gritty blaze]

So how you don't know and I'm do..

[timid swift]

Cause it's presumably a thing among younger people is what I'm saying

We don't all watch memes all day :p

[gritty blaze]

How old are you?

[timid swift]

Old enough to know not to identify myself

[gritty blaze]

Smart

[timid swift]

nawh, just old lel

[gritty blaze]

This one

[timid swift]

Of course that format has a name (also nice ping)

And yes, it would likely be them then if music transcription is mentioned in the vid

but it was in this channel, you should be able to find them if you search

[warped torrent]

do you just have this frame ready

[eternal timber]

I have ALL THE FRAMES ready

Ok just a few favorite ones

[timid swift]

got all the frames indexed with sentiment embedding, got it.

[dire orchid]

aww so wholesome of her

[red brook]

there people who have copypastas on their macro keys and multiple folders of meticulously categorized memes. they're prepared for almost everything.
I am not one of them, but I can say I have witnessed their greatness

[timid swift]

Everyone's gotta have a hobby

[plucky briar]

its still not solved?

[timid swift]

No progress for some time now

[plucky briar]

mid solvers

[steady fossil]

too many people asking whether it's solved, not enough people actually trying to solve it

[timid swift]

Imagine contributing

[hardy burrow]

check out my new username

[coral ibex]

am musician, i dont really read sheet music tho

i can try

didnt see this in the numbers doc but maybe some of it is a part of a transposition cipher? i was looking at the wikipedia page and some of this could relate to using the fibonacci spiral and the lyrics

if my ideas are baked properly (and right) we could be closer to cracking the cipher

who knows tho

the only problem with my suggestion is that all the numbers arent on the sequence

ex: we dont have 1,6,8 in 572943

[arctic canyon]

[feral hollow]

Hmm......Hello!How is progress?I just dont know what happened now,the fibonacci?

[coral ibex]

[arctic canyon]

[glad horizon]

nahh I don't even know notes, only tabs
just saw the music stuff on the docs and decided to include it

[timid swift]

oh lel

well, it's still searchable

[coral ibex]

the slander video needs to be pinned or something its amazing

[gritty blaze]

yea it's good

[coral ibex]

we need slander ii

but later on in the arg

[glad horizon]

will do
just generate more scitzo theories and disprove them

[coral ibex]

I'm on it!

[elder oar]

try your best

[crimson tendon]

@elder oar has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

[gritty blaze]

Fib is chasing me

[austere sun]

"new" entropies, now with fernet and camellia, also made aes use 32 byte keys instead of 16 bytes, practically no difference.
idk why fernet has such low entropy

[abstract mural]

Hewo evernyan how are you and how is progress?

https://tenor.com/view/azumanga-daioh-hello-everyone-gif-20065462

[raven spade]

Anything new been found?!

[gritty blaze]

Only "camellia" theory.

[austere sun]

also the same thing but with 2 bytes entropy calculation
going to plug these values into some probability theory formula to get prettier numbers

[tawny pasture]

Well, things seem to be going alright

[honest harness]

The numbers what do they

[dusk hollow]

Still solving arg? We already have a fully lore and theory with the arg

[honest harness]

is the theory the real arg was the friends we made along the way

[digital radish]

hes tauting us

we're missing something this shit is solvable

[austere sun]

bruh lmao nah
just bruteforce aes, it's literally that simple

[native maple]

i love that video can't wait for the next MAN banger

[crimson tendon]

@native maple has leveled up! (12 ➜ 13)

[coral ibex]

Same

[digital radish]

hdhshgbbt

i hate aes

why aes

theres something easier

cant we force the awsners out of him

social engineering

[coral ibex]

We could but I doubt he'll respond

[digital radish]

force him to respond

leave him no choice

[dire orchid]

||[filter]||mailing vedal sounds like a good idea!

[coral ibex]

Lmao

[digital radish]

yeah

[austere sun]

it can be camellia if you want, it really makes the choice simpler, only 1 type and only 16 bytes key

[digital radish]

why not normal base64

wait

waitwait

what if we take the lyrics of numbers 1

and apply it to numbers 2

have we gone thru this theory

like

[austere sun]

how do we even apply lyrics

[digital radish]

in "Fill the Void)

someone send the lyrics of numbers 1 here

[austere sun]

schizo, i am confusing myself```I can never say oh it’s been so long
Counting all the days, it’s been so damn long
Oh how much I’m scared to let you go…
Somewhere in the walls I hear you talk…
Finding all these numbers
Start with number 2 yeah
Matching all the letters
572943.

Add another 9 yeah
Add another line yeah
Multiply by 5 yeah
How long will I keep this up?
Oh how much it hurts to see you go…
Generating lyrics is a pain
Add another 6 yeah
Flip the numbers backwards
Make the 2 a 3 yeah
Abcdefg.

Multiply by 9 yeah
Add the numbers 2 4
17 is first yeah
Abcdefg.

[digital radish]

start from x end with y

[ruby lance]

Coming out of lurking here to say I had this idea a couple days ago and added it to the Numbers II doc under 'syllables'. Seemed really promising considering both songs seem to have 4 blocks of 3 lines in the main verses that could line up with each other. I couldn't crack anything though especially since some instructions are vague like 'matching all the letters'

[digital radish]

"Finding all these numbers"

does it mean theres more than 17 sequences of numbers

also here 906 is the odd one

[austere sun]

i can't get python to calculate f(5831), even an extremely rough approximation gives overflow error, number too large

i think this idea is already in the docs, was probably one of the first things that were tried

[native maple]

Found this as results in online calculator.
3.13e+1214

Pog we found the size of pi

[supple perch]

how goes the arg

[golden ravine]

what are you calculating

they arent that big

[austere sun]

here, without 1321

[84787475302008849948050583645054932102228061357533288620624028954689005525654241165112151230105130703534283968767405582965065908863532391233655219303166737, 193048048973983181421514924194289363095619311241528324991492595362812366177810042904423919117787628092739003046738254876558249313623756961376768580637]
[2242078311320349160804015718043036082054171733573840468952625315221391947825066947905636248691862060483006835747329499742497894355779460518674655899304658879188891886536343247826376546, 327114817135866584604445222092786289485901368902485200957962177358441191520429751667933217022727867825940121997174498761270528946466892595242473813640691701043259805745267891689561625]
[984729762650247500517208505027019748580915316836544098698206971848465938083481761308953633422991427320587207624093505863713887660617908141081091367124435474030411762223507419719362603649208]```

[coral ibex]

Why is 906 the odd one here

[dire orchid]

the only one with 4 instead of 2

if you follow the pattern

[arctic canyon]

Remember when doing any maths to follow the Neuro specific laws

[native maple]

only numbers said with 4 neuros on the screen if you look all other screen have less than 4

[dire orchid]

holy corpa the first picture

[coral ibex]

Oh I thought there was a diff reason related to digits

[native maple]

for digits we have these numbers

you can chck the docs for more stuff

[coral ibex]

gotcha

[hardy laurel]

Somehow seems like there is a pattern between these pictures and fibonacci on the "572943" but might be a coincidence

Like, the numbers 9 consist of would be f(9)=13+21 i.e. 2nd frame, the 2 before the 9 would be f(2)=0+1 i.e. last 2 numbers of the frame 1st frame

[eternal timber]

"Start with number 2, yeah" "Start with X, end with Y"

But then, what do the other numbers mean?

[hardy laurel]

dunno, can't figure that out

like, the 58 from "5831" could be the f(7)=5+8

but cannot find anything to fit with the single 2 or the 31 using this method

so maybe those would be "the odd one out"?

^managed to find all of 57294 but missing 3 using that logic

201 1321 5831 | 01 = f(2)=0+1 | 1321 = f(9)=13+21 | 58 = f(7)=5+8
723 743 4913 | 23 = f(5)=2+3
879 875 2145 | 21 f(4)=1+2 (maybe reverse since it's the 4 with reverse frames?)
716 906 4156 

[neat wigeon]

is there any place i can recap what we know already and what are we working on?

[coral ibex]

the docs?

[neat wigeon]

what are the docs

[copper acorn]

the docs in the pins of this

[neat wigeon]

didnt even know threads have pins

ty

[coral ibex]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17KrbPUAVu4wDTbj3sBtWTnjRsjDTCdh89F_5L1LvX0A/edit# here if you cant find it

but yeah its pinned

along with the amazing slander video

[coral ibex]

could we say that three is the odd one out?

[hardy laurel]

Maybe, but could also be the numbers which is not included

[hollow flare]

y’all finna stop being schizo?

[hardy laurel]

also, from the first "201" it could be understood as all numbers being in since f(2)=0+1, but that would mean f(9)=13+21 wouldn't be in then

[coral ibex]

considering we havent gotten any hints/clues what else should the neuro arg members do

[hollow flare]

my knowledge ain’t working on this ARG

[austere sun]

btw, here's the "pretty" numbers. this is how close the average encrypted string is close to numbers 1 desc string. (now with 10 times more samples)
as you can see, none, even literally just random bytes which is "keys" string even approach 99% of numbers 1 desc entropy

[hollow flare]

did we already check the static in ‘I think I saw a ghost’ in a spectrogram?

[coral ibex]

someone's tried looking at it (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RBvEINbc--fCZ_pVhPVEIbrbN2CJtPo60sxx8cx85HA/edit)

[austere sun]

all spectograms are in the docs, and it was found like day 2 static is a stock sound

[hollow flare]

thank

[coral ibex]

oh nvm i didnt read the "as a spectrogram"part

[hollow flare]

still works

[coral ibex]

i was thinking about checking the frames to see if you could xor it but im not sure how to check all the frames easily

[hollow flare]

I just kinda want the sound into a visual diagram

no idea how to do it though cuz I’m lazy

[coral ibex]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/147DwKIZ1UvGuWnCekBmOwyWZz9XUdfNgPqHkOdiiRPc/edit#heading=h.82bn36cwn2g1

this doc has the spectrograms for everything in study

[hollow flare]

thanks

ok time to go insane for like 1 hour and figure out nothing

[native maple]

this nice youtube comments

[coral ibex]

ur joining the schizo club

[austere sun]

vedal rhyming 1 with 1, 3 with 3, 9 with 5 and 6 with 6 generating lyrics is a pain

[native maple]

just waiting for the video titled "Exam" surely it's gonna be the actual ARG

[coral ibex]

we get a full college semester of neuro arg

[hollow flare]

neuro college grand opening

[native maple]

it's just vedal starting his own CS engineer online courses

[hollow flare]

vedal should work at a gas station that sells sushi

[native maple]

or he could try the game gas station simulator it's pretty good

[hollow flare]

perhaps new neuro stream

[rotund willow]

is there any possible if its relate to cartesian coordinates

[crimson tendon]

You have unlocked new role

[hollow flare]

good point

[tawny pasture]

By the end of this, if this were to be remade with most important events, this thing would be over an hour long

Hah

Nothing new on the Soundcloud

I'm occasionally checking the YouTube and Soundcloud at this point to make sure that nothing new's been posted

[austere sun]

no, i am just cringe and just latin being high entropy

[tawny pasture]

I would try to think of ideas, but I don't know enough about ciphers and even if I did, I'd be too afraid of posting red herrings

I mean, maybe it's double ciphered with some sort of cipher that only rotates the letters and numbers?

I think that's already suggested, but I don't know what else I could suggest

[gritty blaze]

Is there any type of encryption only Firefox uses?

[digital radish]

likely not

we're looking at http requests, firefox itself doesnt have an encryption

[gritty blaze]

what about the password one?

[digital radish]

?

[gritty blaze]

I read that Firefox encrypt your passwords in some way

Someone created this thing

Is it useful in any way?

[native maple]

You can try it if you want

[austere sun]

it literally says in the picture it's 3des.
copium, still haven't added it.
copium, latin doesn't have any significantly higher entropy than regular text

[gritty blaze]

High quality version

can disord stop

i.ibb.co/WP0QVVS/DE9kF.jpg

good

for example, username can be "abcdefg"

[timid swift]

Looks like a schizo artifact to be preserved

[gritty blaze]

With the "open in firefox" like 3 times I'll not be surprised if it's somehow related.

[austere sun]

aren't 3des keys like 24 bytes in the first place

[abstract mural]

hewo everynyan how are you and how is progress?

https://tenor.com/view/azumanga-daioh-hello-everyone-gif-20065462

[tame pulsar]

so glad the slander video is pinned because it's the only way i'm understanding anything that happens anymore

[austere sun]

it's already outdated though, and most people after making their initial theory lowkey gave up

[uneven moth]

Yeah I'd love to help I'm just not sure what to do or where to start, honestly

Most promising theorys are already being worked on

[tame pulsar]

same, doesn't help that i understand every 3rd word lmao, need to study and be a CS engineer

[austere sun]

pycryptodome disagrees. or maybe it doesn't. what the hell does 'parity bits ignored' mean.

but basically, it is 24 bytes, the primary identificator of 3des key, and the string in 10:21 is only 16 bytes

[dapper wraith]

well each key is 56 bits or 64 bits when including the parity. using keying option 2 (i.e. key3 = key1) would result in a 16 byte key including parity when omitting the repeated subkey

(doesn't change the fact tho that the short base64 string doesn't have odd parity when decoded)

[austere sun]

i see. i guess option 2 would make sense, a little, but what's even the point of using tdes for only 16 bytes key, aes at least makes sense as a "modern encryption algorithm". how would that be justified other than "you just have to figure it out".
and, pycryptodome just has a method that adjusts parity of key for you, so if it's actually this simple, the key may not necessarily have parity when given.
and finally, its entropy is way too low

i just realized my 2 byte entropy is incorrect and every result gotten with it is now irrelevant, ont that it was relevant ever. too bad

[dapper wraith]

so if it's actually this simple, the key may not necessarily have parity when given
of course. fixing the parity would be extremely easy but that would require us to overwrite the LSB in each byte (and it's not like they are all 0 or 1). at that point we are just overwriting stuff to make it fit into some "random" format.

so I agree: either it's not DES/TDES or at least the string from the javascript isn't the key

[digital radish]

we might get a new vid tomorrow

coincidentally enough, tomorrow is day 17

"17 is first"

[manic dagger]

[coral ibex]

Thoughts on the video name? I'm hoping it's study ii

[digital radish]

exam

[vestal matrix]

wow!

[burnt glacier]

dropped out

[native maple]

burntout

[river mantle]

but we still didn't count the AA floorboard!! it's gonna be a clue!!!

[languid swan]

[austere sun]

also i've added iv to tdes (which i shouldve done in the first place because everything else also uses an iv diesofcringe)
and it actually has higher entropy than aes, but only with 24 byte key, with 16 byte key it becomes lower by ~0.0004

[austere sun]

this is actually cringe but it seems as though i overenginnered entropy calculation for the sake of speed and none of these numbers, not even ones from single byte algorithm, are actually correct

ok, no. they are correct, but only because of technicalities, so i'll need to rewrite everything anyway

[indigo raft]

sanity check
yall fine?

[uneven moth]

never

[steel bronze]

but have you tried... any keys?

[tawny pasture]

I’m not going to miss it this time if there is one!

Keep a lookout while the stream is ongoing!

The last one was posted in the middle of a stream

[austere sun]

but vedal is supposedly remote this time and everything except study was posted manually
copium

[timid swift]

an ARG clue at a convention would honestly not be the worst way to gain interest. But it'd be a real ballsy move. Wouldn't blame him if not prepared or willing to do it.

[brazen cedar]

its been a while since ive been here i wonder if there has been any progress 😃

[gritty blaze]

nope

[daring acorn]

GUYS D=3??

[crimson tendon]

@daring acorn has leveled up! (2 ➜ 3)

[winged hearth]

the unvoluntary engineers

[daring acorn]

i don't even care about the arg, _neurosama's songs are fire

especially numbers II i unironically listen to it and wake up with urges to listen

[uneven moth]

fair. I just wish I think I saw a ghost had a full version. I hope if nothing else, that at least when the arg finishes he'll release a full version. The arg is cool, but so is the music.

[daring acorn]

ong preach

i think it's really interesting that the songs use eleanor forte

makes me doubt it's made by vedal

and its like really well tuned too

[uneven moth]

I mean the only truly certain thing iirc is that vedal sponsors the arg. Besides that...

[daring acorn]

mhm

it COULD be made by vedal but i just think

wouldn't he have made neuro sing it??

so yeah my theory is that its made by sum1 else

[uneven moth]

They aren't sung by neuro?

[daring acorn]

no

eleanor forte

[uneven moth]

Hm, cool.

[daring acorn]

she's a SynthV

unrelated to vedal

[uneven moth]

Though if I remember how neuro sings right it'd be harder to make her sing an original song, so using something else could make sense

accidentally pressed enter one sec

[rotund willow]

true

[daring acorn]

I won't lie, its been ages since I used eleanor forte, so at first i assumed it was neuro singing

But as soon as i listened to the vocals closely

it's 100% eleanor

[rotund willow]

i want ghost full vert tho

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

[daring acorn]

Mmmm maybe

[daring acorn]

ong preach

[uneven moth]

because, correct me if im wrong of course, but doesn't neuro essentially extract the "vocals" from the song, mix them with her own voice, and then merge them back together?

[daring acorn]

I'm fairly certain thats what it is. Because I was keeping close tabs on the recent AI covers popping up everywhere and they all require an audio clip of someone singing the lyrics

But surely vedal could sing himself or get someone else to, for free or paid

[uneven moth]

Yeah. I think I heard that somewhere, but I don't recall if it was from vedal or from a youtube comment or similar

[daring acorn]

🤷🏻‍♂️

Every single AI cover I saw had credits in the description to the original clip they used which had the singing

[uneven moth]

Mmm, probably. Though, I don't know how much of a difference it'd make.

[daring acorn]

(when i say AI cover im not referring to neuro ones, but probably the same thing with them)

[uneven moth]

yeah, yeah

[daring acorn]

Wdym by how much of a difference

[uneven moth]

there's not too much of a reason to use neuro specifically, honestly. It sounds very familiar if you don't look too close, and it almost certainly a whole lot less work to do it with something like Elanor.

[daring acorn]

Honestly I don't agree. You bring up good points of course, but eleanor is REALLY hard to tune in such a coherent and understandable way as the video presents her in
Plus its kinda neuro's arg 🤷🏻

They don't sound all that far appart though

[uneven moth]

True, true. I don't know a lot about tuning, so not too sure about what I've said myself. And as far as we know there is a reason neuros not the one singing.

Wouldn't surprise me too much with some of the lyrics honestly.

[daring acorn]

I'd say my personal theory is that the person making it doesn't have access to her voice 🤷🏻

Maybe vedal just wants to show off his killer tuning skills

[uneven moth]

always a chance. Though if vedal sponsors the arg I don't know why he wouldnt lend em the voice

[daring acorn]

Mhm. I agree. Maybe there's some sort of reason he wouldn't give it like mayb he doesnt trust them (which doesnt make sense since hes sponsoring it but yk technically possible)

[uneven moth]

At the end of the day there's no real way to be sure unless its related to the arg and we find it, or vedal tells us

[daring acorn]

Indeed, indeed

[uneven moth]

The main thing the arg has taught me so far is that I need to do more ctfs. I thought with all the cybersecurity stuff I've been doing recently I'd be better at it but its a surprisingly different skillset

[daring acorn]

I Mean nobody else has got it so

its probably just rlly hard

[uneven moth]

Yeah, but I wouldn't have gotten nearly as much as everyone else has so far. The best I've done at ctfs in the past is just trying all the stupid simple stuff, because people forget to do it. Not to say I can't do more, its just a surprising amount of people overlook it allowing you to do it first.

[daring acorn]

Damnnn

[uneven moth]

?

[vestal matrix]

Isn't this voice v2？

[daring acorn]

No

[austere sun]

googled eleanor forte, doesn't sound alike to me at all, i think you're reaching. also it's paid, like $70 with a discount, that's messed up.
definitly not v2 voice tho

[split zenith]

yeah same i googled it and doesnt sound like the voice in songs at all

[eager flower]

there are two paid eleanor voices and one free one, numbers and study sound closer to her free one, but i agree it’s not exactly a match, especially the way she pronounces words. (i’ve spent far too much time working with eleanor among other synthv banks lmao)

it’s not like it really matters for the actual ARG who sings it either way but it’s very interesting to me

[austere sun]

and what exactly would this "way she pronounces words" be.
if anything, you working so much time with it shows mental bias towards hearing it where it isn't.

also look at this graph. it has garbage quality because neither discord nor google docs support vector graphics

[eager flower]

eleanor has very strong clear vowel sounds that are very different to what we hear in numbers and study, and if it IS the free voice then there’s no way to change the strength of them. either way i’m not convinced it’s her, but i would be very interested to find out how the songs were made regardless

[austere sun]

||yeah i need to learn to read correctly the first time|| understandable, the information you have presented makes sense. 👍

look at another graph. i will dump these into numbers thread library

[eager flower]

of course! i’m always glad to drop information on things i’m into. i’m not too good with cryptography stuff so i mostly stay out of the discussion here, but i thought i’d give some input.

[gritty blaze]

what the chances that the IV and the key are the same?

[austere sun]

if you're thinking it may be possible to tell from looking at data that the iv and the key are the same, it isn't.
there may not be an iv, there may be a nonce instead, it may be an algorithm that doesn't use an iv or nonce at all.

in fact, the data from entropy analysis consistently shows, it is significantly most likely to be literally just random.
excluding keys which is as close to random bytes as it gets and file7z, compressed and deflate which are compressed files,
it becomes extremely uniform between tdes using 24 byte key, 8 byte iv and modern variations of aes, using 16 byte key, 7-16 byte nonce and 16 byte tag for decryption

[gritty blaze]

I tried to see how much time it'll take me to brute force it if we assume that 17 is first and 24 last. I managed to check "114,217,974,100" keys in 15 hours, but it was a low budget version code. On 32 cores checking part of the keys on each it'll take a lot of time.

[austere sun]

how exactly are you checking validity tho, what algorithm are you bruteforcing and did you steal a cpu from nasa, because even intel 13900k has only 24 cores

[gritty blaze]

runpod

you can lend a 32 CPU PC

cheapest I found is 0.2$ per hour

they had like 64 cores CPU a week ago, but for some reason it was taken down.

[gritty blaze]

I tried first the small code we had from study, it found too much false keys probably because I used UTF-8, but I just wanted to check if it's even possible to brute force it.

First attempt I gave it 1 core out of the 32 and let it run for 15 hours, then I split the work on 30 cores out of 32 and gave each core a pert of the possible keys to work on.

[austere sun]

ic. well i have exactly $0 so ngmi.
well obviously there are too much false keys, even 128 bit aes means there 2^128-1 false keys

[gritty blaze]

There was even one key that managed to give something with +4 at the beginning lol

1783367953735824

+4.W"w2㽾)fd

[austere sun]

OwO
thats it, arg solved

[gritty blaze]

lol

I also noticed something

if you guess the key right, but the IV wrong it still can give you part of the result.

like the first letters or numbers and so on

[austere sun]

really? seems like fake news, isn't the point of an iv to obfuscate such an attempt with only key. i am going to test rn

[gritty blaze]

Not for all but for some parts.

idk why but some codes give part of the decoded message and some give error

[gritty blaze]

For example, I encoded "[phone]" with the key "1736754403572424" and the IV the same.
If I decrypt it with key: "1736754403572424" but IV "1746754403572424" - third number is "4" instead of "3" the decoded result is: "[phone]"
if I use this IV "1745643213572424" the decoded result is: "+434175?07601" As you can see it is still pretty similar to my encoded number if the IV is close to the used IV in the encoding I guess.

From what it seems it is true.

[austere sun]

i am trying to camellia encrypt with iv and decrypt without and it's nowhere close for even just 16 byte message
same with aes

[red brook]

that's true, but in the most commonly used mode, every block affects the following block

[gritty blaze]

if you want I can give you full list with all the keys I have tried, but all of them are false and there is TONS of keys. All in utf-8.

[gritty blaze]

I have no idea for 30 cores, because I gave it part of the possible keys to each core. but I know that I cheked from 1700000000000024 to 1700114217974124+ in like 15 hours +- (1 core). Which is about 114,217,974,100 combinations divide it by 15, and you get "7,614,531,606" per hour. It's not 100% maybe 2-3 billion lower I guess if you use all 30 cores.

or something wrong with my math, I just know that last false key on 1 core was "1700114217974124"

[gritty blaze]

yea

[austere sun]

that's a pretty cringe method tbh, if you're decoding from utf, why not also include letters, and if you're also including letters why not include special symbols, and by that point why not go through all 255 possible byte variations, so much computing power going towards something that is highly likely to turn out with nothing.
also yeah, modern aes modes don't have the 'problem' with correct key incorrect iv (unlike classic aes modes and camellia)

[gritty blaze]

For now we assume the key is starting with 17 and maybe ending with 24, and it's probably only numbers? I go with it for now. If we include also letters and so on, it will impossible to brute force. Even with only 12 possible number from 16 is hard.

[austere sun]

what are you even bruteforcing, ecb?
bred already tried ecb between 17 and 24 with only utf8 numbers

[gritty blaze]

I'm trying a theory that it's the same key for all the codes

if it's the case I'm trying to brute force the "DQ5z14ighWwiag7y+cWFQg==" with 17 first and 24 last.

as the second biggest theory it's a phone numbers

so we need to get something with + and numbers, probably UK number.

[austere sun]

i am telling you, bred already tried for + on DQ5z14ighWwiag7y+cWFQg== with 17 first and 24 last with aes ecb, what are you bruteforcing if not ecb

[gritty blaze]

hmm, really?

how he managed to do so in a short time?

[austere sun]

some rust threading magic, i wouldn't know with my cringe python
#1112082183235047506 message
but since bred already tried ecb, if you're going to try other aes modes, they all need an iv or nonce and more importantly are much more processing power intensive.
you can maybe try for single des if you want to, only 8 bytes. no one tried afaik

[gritty blaze]

hmmm ok

[raven bay]

have you guys solved it ? its going to be close to a month now

[steady fossil]

We're currently hard at work writing a bot to answer no to those questions to clear up time for building our quantum computer

[safe monolith]

As a quick digression in the same vein as the possible phone number base64, what's up with the accompanying error message? Doesn't seem like the subsequent error path console.log could have produced it (who writes a multi-line error message?), unless that whole message is indeed a successful response. Is there a bot on the receiving end of the message?

If the error was produced by the library, surely the error message would be more specific, like invalid phone number or something

What would be the point of providing almost-executable code but inaccurate error messages?

[austere sun]

darkeew's eva sama is already in the server, ask him to add functionality

[austere sun]

doesn't look to me like a multi-line error message, i would presume executing... is not a part of the error message but sendMessage function.
the error message is provided to the send function along with success message and context.
since the code doesn't show what is inside either error or response variables, one can start making wild assumptions like that actually error: failed to execute is a response output.
but at that point you might as well start unsuspending disbelief. like clearly sendMessage from the library is supposed to take in a phone number in predetermined format.
why are they inputting the recipient as an encrypted base64, are they stupid

[digital radish]

is it?

[gritty blaze]

The easy answer could be, it's Airis / Neuro. If their code is not "allowing" to send non-encrypted messages, then they could try to send it as an encrypted number, because for them is a regular number as they know the key, but not for us. You can't send an SMS to a phone number such as the code, so get the error.

[gritty blaze]

I use IV the same as the key. I think it's common?

[timid swift]

If you use a different IV for two encryptions, then the same message with the same key should appear different, right? From this I think it would or should be more common to use a random IV.

That way if an adversary gets hold of the ciphertext for "Yes.", they won't be able to detect each time "Yes." is sent in subsequent ciphertexts (Because the ciphertexts would be identical with IV = Key)

[gritty blaze]

I don't think if it's AES it will be too complicated, otherwise, we will never solve it without a good clue. Unless some crazy CPUs will come out in the next 10 years, and AES will be useless.

[honest harness]

Yo new thing

chat wake up from slumber something happenning soon

literally just now

damn thought it was gonna just end but looks like we'll have some more SCHIZO in a few days

https://youtu.be/ymYFqNUt05g

[wintry notch]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[crimson tendon]

@wintry notch has leveled up! (4 ➜ 5)

[wintry notch]

NICE

[honest harness]

it's tagged with subtitles so maybe we'll get subtitles

I dunno if the premiere was set up manually just now but if it is, the game master might be making changes

time to recheck everything SCHIZO

[lean parrot]

j*va

[native maple]

Oh dang

I mean yea the title is very different from the theme so far

Im gonna guess it's c#

[eternal timber]

Probably based on C# because Neuro's non LLM side & abandoned archive are in Unity C#... unless...?

[native maple]

Vedal does have java knowledge his website says android development

But static is a real nightmare in java so im gonna guess c# yea

[eternal timber]

It's missing a function name tho Should be public static void FunctionName()...

[native maple]

Could be main ?

[eternal timber]

True actually

[native maple]

Oh wait im looking it up but in c# it's static public void main

So it is java

Oh wait no the position doesn't matter

[eternal timber]

Unless... there's more code in the song or something

[native maple]

Who would put static first thats so weird not seeing public as first

[eternal timber]

(me)

[native maple]

[eternal timber]

Actually no I put public first

Got confused with referencing the song name

Brain melted

[timid swift]

Classic java bully line: Say it with me, "public static void Main"

[native maple]

Arggggg

[timid swift]

So glad C# is moving away from main function

[wicked sapphire]

I’ll show you who can yell, you hear me?

[eternal timber]

Args? Arguments? which arguments?

[native maple]

Java main have args

Public static void main(args)

... no way they made a joke with args as ARG

[timid swift]

I guess tutel doesn't want europe to sleep

[eternal timber]

Yeah it's releasing 2 AM for me I'll just... catch it the day after...

[native maple]

He lives there tho he just have a bad sleep schedule

[timid swift]

Yeah, but he already knows what's in the video

[manic swift]

jesus i haven't looked up on ARG Channel for a week now

[timid swift]

well you picked a good time

[eternal timber]

Dw you didn't miss anything

[river mantle]

so static-sama is the official name now?

for the static girl

[native maple]

What ???

[eternal timber]

The video name is not related to static-sama, it's a reference to a programming thing

[river mantle]

oh , I thought vedal run static-sama as canon now lolz

[native maple]

No it was confirmed to be someone pretending to be part of the arg

[manic swift]

STATIC

WE LOVE STATIC

[honest harness]

it's a programming term

[gritty blaze]

I hope it will be a good clue.

[eternal timber]

ALL MY HOMIES LOVE STATIC

[timid swift]

Nawh, it was confirmed to be a jacker, but who knows if tutel's incorporating the static lore into the ARG. Like, the image also looks like something staticsama would've used.

[eternal timber]

The image was in study tho

[timid swift]

Ah, right

[native maple]

You do realize staticsama took the image from the videos

[digital radish]

holy shit static became canon

[gritty blaze]

It's probably a clue to study

[timid swift]

Two very different ways of saying that thing. Guess which works better lel

[native maple]

Would make sense yea

[digital radish]

IT HAS SUBTITLES???

HOLY SHIT

VEDAL BEING GENEROUS?

[timid swift]

scroll up my dude

[manic swift]

CC

[uncut cargo]

[manic swift]

YOOO

[uncut cargo]

NEW VID

SOON

my god

[gritty blaze]

Holy

[digital radish]

Public Static Void

[gritty blaze]

Finally something good

[digital radish]

we're getting into C

[river mantle]

he fed up with our arguing about lyric for a weeks with no progress lolz

[digital radish]

java

uh

dont mind what i said

[timid swift]

Thought the same lel

[digital radish]

its java

i didnt say c

okay?

[native maple]

Nah let's hope for C#

[eternal timber]

Also tbh Public Static Void kinda fits the vibe with "static" and "void", but, also important to note that "void" means it's a function (might have been a variable otherwise! if it was an "int" (integer number) or something), and that it's a function that returns nothing

[digital radish]

static

static

static

static became canon

[uncut cargo]

or maybe the subs will have some messages too, like mandela catalogue has for example

[digital radish]

wake up

[timid swift]

scroll up lmao

[manic swift]

STATIC IS CANNON

WEEEEEEE

[digital radish]

WHERE

I SCROLLED UP

I SAW NOTHING

[timid swift]

you're repeating what we just discussed twice lel :p

[river mantle]

static solo stream when?

[digital radish]

i know its java

im mentioning static as a joke

its not C#

[native maple]

Could be c#

[manic swift]

what if Public Static Void C#?

[digital radish]

wait

wanna know something funny

gamejam happening

wanna know something else funny

[timid swift]

#1112082183235047506 message and #1112082183235047506 message

[river mantle]

Public Static Void-sama

[digital radish]

suposedly neuro herself

[manic swift]

nuero

[digital radish]

is gonna announce the rules of the gamejam

not vedal

[native maple]

Theme is arg you mean

[digital radish]

neuro

it means

vedal can force neuro to say stuff

[native maple]

Yea

[digital radish]

its obvious he can but its confirmed

[river mantle]

what if void-sama is full schizo but full filtered mode lolz

[native maple]

I mean Filtered was kinda proof

[eternal timber]

Oh wait, is that a real thing? would be cool tbh

[digital radish]

its confirmed

[native maple]

There is a thead for gamejam

[digital radish]

today at dev stream hes gonna reveal stuff about it

[native maple]

Announcement during dev stream

[manic swift]

[digital radish]

we get it

i fucked up

its not java

its rascal

[manic swift]

[digital radish]

oh my god

[manic swift]

ayo

[digital radish]

stop complaining

[manic swift]

RASCAL?

[digital radish]

raskal

rascal

that

[timid swift]

pascal

[manic swift]

pascal?

[digital radish]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RascalMPL

[native maple]

"can be accessed anywhere" thats got to be a lie

[tawny pasture]

Hey, new premier

3 days

[digital radish]

honestly could be carbon

[native maple]

having ptsd of number II when everybody started to repeat everything that was said

[digital radish]

https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang

[timid swift]

It could be many languages. public static and void are standard terms

[native maple]

But main tho

[timid swift]

it doesn't actually say main

[digital radish]

public static void:

• public (anyone can access)
• static (wont leave the place)
• void (minecraft void)

[eternal timber]

Holy pog NeuroJam sounds awesome

[digital radish]

void just means any arguments passed will be voided

static means it cant be changed

[eternal timber]

Thank you for bringing it to my attention @digital radish & @native maple

[native maple]

Np

[digital radish]

public means it can be accessed anywhere

[dawn stag]

https://youtu.be/ymYFqNUt05g

[digital radish]

for the non coders

[native maple]

You'll get to see it on stream anyway

[digital radish]

okay

[dawn stag]

We exploring java?

[digital radish]

c#

[dawn stag]

Oh

[digital radish]

ill write something

[timid swift]

We don't know what langauge it is lel

[native maple]

heres my ptsd again gonna see this link pop up 10 times probably

[timid swift]

yes

But at least something'll happen

[dawn stag]

Watch me send it again

[native maple]

[eternal timber]

Surely this video will contain a program like this being a phone number body.messages[0].destinationNumber ='DQ5zl4ighWwiag7y+cWFQg==';

[native maple]

Static mean every instance will have it the same or something right ?

[honest harness]

Guyssssss it's a cluuuuu

[eternal timber]

It kinda of means it can be accessed from anywhere within the program

[native maple]

No

That would be a huge security problem

[manic swift]

java

[wooden bobcat]

Neuro fell of the world?

[native maple]

Doesn't she prefer lava to void

[whole junco]

i wonder if it'll keep the song trend

[native maple]

Okay so that does mean every instance of neuro would have it

[digital radish]

On the newest video:
(https://youtu.be/ymYFqNUt05g)

Explanation of the title 'Public Static Void'

• This is for the non programmers, so no speculations arise until the video releases.
  Public means it can be called anywhere in any file (take for example discord channels, everyone can access a non locked channel)
  Static "a keyword that can be used to declare a member of a type so that it is specific to that type." - cannot be changed anywhere else
  Void any keywords passed in the class will be discarded and returns nothing.
  This can be many languages, but we've stuck with C# as the ARG is neuro related and she uses Unity (C#) to function.

[safe monolith]

Imagine getting a github repo this time

[digital radish]

@hybrid scarab we need a pinner

[timid swift]

Technically void means that it will not return a value, and sometimes that returned values are discarded

[native maple]

does pins even matter people will just have the same conversation 10 times

[digital radish]

well you can just redirect them into the pin

[eternal timber]

True but it also sneakily says that it's a function rather than a variable

[native maple]

But you can still return to exit hehe

[digital radish]

true, but my part is also true

both are correct

[timid swift]

by declaring the return or lack thereof, yes

[whole junco]

void has alot of possible context. we last heard it as "fill the void"

[native maple]

You would get an error anyway if you didn't put void

So fill the type ?

[digital radish]

i knew a video was gonna appear

i said the 17th but i was wrong

3 days later

[native maple]

With so much number im guessing the type is number

[digital radish]

2

[honest harness]

Don't pin dumb unverified shit, there's a pin limit

[native maple]

now the question is which flavor of number is it float int double...

[timid swift]

We also have the docs for all our stuff. Pins will flood and be hard to navigate

[honest harness]

Save it for dank things like the slander video

[native maple]

We already need to scroll a lot to find the doc in pin

[timid swift]

Honestly might want to unpin some stuff

[eternal timber]

Or just re-pin the doc

[native maple]

True most of the pin stuff is in the doc anyway

[timid swift]

way better

[native maple]

Except the slander video

We should put it in the doc

[timid swift]

yes.

[eternal timber]

The slander video should be in the drive for sure

[timid swift]

It's official fan-lore

[eternal timber]

It's a cultural relic

Of great significance

[native maple]

If they can have amogus in the doc we can have our video

Still "open" on the SoundCloud no change on that front

[honest harness]

yeah unpin stuff that's already in the google drive

[hybrid scarab]

where

[digital radish]

repin the docs

[rotund willow]

@hybrid scarab ^

[hybrid scarab]

oh shit

a new video?

[honest harness]

premiere

[digital radish]

aye

[honest harness]

in a few days

[hybrid scarab]

oh

what day does that fall at

during one of her streams orrr?

[honest harness]

thursday/friday

[native maple]

3 days from now

Midnight london time

[honest harness]

the timing is around when stream usually ends, or a bit later than that

[eternal timber]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qm6GSRlstTmjbyOFCuH1OhSmPK4pi4Aa

Can you re-pin the docs?

[native maple]

Clean the pins

[honest harness]

unpin stuff that's already in the docs

[eternal timber]

Because currently it'd take new users a long while to scroll in pins to find them

[honest harness]

it's getting cluttered

[eternal timber]

Or unpin stuff yeah

[honest harness]

like the big walls of text of youtube description and stuff like that

[native maple]

All the big text that take so much space don't need to be pinned

[honest harness]

keep the slander video though

[native maple]

Masterpiece

[hollow trail]

what is going on now?

https://tenor.com/view/huh-spongebob-fish-stare-what-gif-16202349

the new video seems unsettling

idk what will happen after 3 days

[rotund willow]

well

just more clue

[hollow trail]

i wonder what the ending of the ARG will look like?

[native maple]

The swarm activates

[hollow trail]

is it a good thing or bad thing?

[native maple]

It's good

[whole junco]

just thinking, the new thumbnail is the same as "uʍop uǝllɐɟ" on study, which comes after "i don't want to be human." where she gets darker and darker. she gets inverted and the same static effect from "i think i saw a ghost"

this 'ghost' may be what in the general static void 🙂 who knows.

[wicked sapphire]

[whole junco]

its good for the swarm

[red brook]

public static void
it's just gonna be him making fun of you guys for chasing "static-sama" lmao

[timid swift]

doubt anyone in charge would make fun of anyone here. wholesome community

[inner dawn]

new banger in 3 days

[obtuse basalt]

Public Static Void
The main program? Gosh, I haven't heard those things together since I last touched java a year ago

[jaunty finch]

new SCHIZO theories <t:1687474800:R>

video thumbnail https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ymYFqNUt05g/maxresdefault.jpg

[river mantle]

"Public Static Void" when "Private Unstable Plentiful" enter
[vince mcmahon meme.gif]

[honest harness]

new banger

neuro arg is just advertisement for Vedal's hot new album

[hardy burrow]

wtf static sama is canon

[honest harness]

no

[river mantle]

if we stall enough, we'll get full ep of number soon

[hardy burrow]

yes

[honest harness]

it's a programming term that was adopted by the fake static sama

[hardy burrow]

they're real for me

[native maple]

Cringe

[honest harness]

Cringe

[cosmic grail]

Itisag full cover

[rocky barn]

Finally!

[dusky pivot]

what could new video be about

[digital radish]

numbers

secrets

[dusky pivot]

more schizo lore

[eternal timber]

Do you think we'll have more answers or more questions in total after this next one?

[austere sun]

dies of death. can i get an api call for when premiere was manually started

[cosmic grail]

I can call you on discord

Does it count

[austere sun]

[timid swift]

Good idea. We should get the YT API metadata and get organized. Even if we don't have the video yet we can still get started on the doc. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YaYAVWfOIgxDCFRkKlu4sp_yvYKKA4Qqydi_kddYGJE/edit

[austere sun]

also maybe it's just me, but public static void makes me think more of pseudo techno babble used by jungle dnb/sad breakcore artists.
i can't find any specific examples of using programming terms though, and going into more details on my thinking process on this topic makes me look cringe so i won't

[jaunty finch]

metadata: https://pastebin.com/6qrhd5WE

[timid swift]

I could definitely see people using easily recognizable programming phrases in music, yea

[austere sun]

"publishedAt": "2023-06-19T10:46:34Z" lmao people are so late with their 11:30 or wtf

[timid swift]

Ty! I've put it in the doc, but do feel free to add it directly next time -- if you feel like it!

[timid swift]

Fair, but how often are you gonna check? lel

45 minutes is pretty good

[austere sun]

if i was awake i wouldve gotten notification instantly because youtube open 24/7

[unique mason]

it seems the hype is picking back up :L

also hai

[austere sun]

watch hype die in 3 days before premiere starts

[unique mason]

id like to report some progress on the fanfic but i seem to have grossly underestimated how long i was planning just part one to be-

;-;

[unique mason]

well-

[austere sun]

also. not relevant to anything at all
"categoryId": "22"

[unique mason]

and also im a perfectionist in writing so i take so long just trying to make it feel right that i barely make any progress after even a decent bit of time ;-;

[unique mason]

yes

i understand this

fully

and absolutely

[safe monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=UCqOK_pl0LS0e8Lp7HMRDZsw alternatively here is an RSS feed to poll every waking minute

[timid swift]

It won't be long until RSS will be some ancient tech rediscovered for an ARG

[safe monolith]

The same RSS feed regarding the new video:

<published>2023-06-19T10:46:34+00:00</published>
<updated>2023-06-19T12:21:01+00:00</updated> <-- that's 1h after discovery

If we wanted to we can track every single update to the video without knowing what's being updated

Stalker behavior

[timid swift]

I wonder what changed

[exotic otter]

Hello everybody! I've been missing from ARG for a while... since I had problems that had to be solved... I checked google drive from time to time... but as I understand it, nothing worthwhile has been found since the release of "Number 2"? And everyone is waiting for a new song from the rising star of music scene _neurosoma?)))

[eternal timber]

Yeah should be a new video in 3 days

[fiery sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymYFqNUt05g

[vapid token]

New SCHZIO content

Anyway, where my Study II, why it's called "PSV"?

[exotic otter]

Think about it... you will listen to it more than anything you have in spotify, iTunes and deezer... and slowly go crazy thinking that the solution is already somewhere near

[vapid token]

I was off this topic for a week, free time ran out suddenly, but as I see it's not too late to come back

[timid swift]

just in time, not much happened prior to this

[exotic otter]

There was a meme in the static-sama thread... that the cult of static-sama does not exist, but if you want, you can join it.
I think now you can say the same about the cult of _neurosama)))

[vapid token]

Is it gone, or has my YouTube decided not to show me about the existence of subtitles?

[austere sun]

nothing in brightened. nothing at all

[exotic otter]

it is worth noting that it really has subtitles...(forgive me for being too lazy to switch the language on YouTube... this purple inscription translates as "subtitles")

[austere sun]

nothing when upping contrast either
i can also split colours but it likely wont give anything

[timid swift]

Oh, if the video was updated and the CC tag is now gone, then there may not be any subtitles after all lel

[vapid token]

Ok, my YouTube decided just not to let me know about it

[fiery sparrow]

"Public Static Void" has a vibe of "the beginning of an old method/generation."

[eternal timber]

Looking forward to counting syllables again

[timid swift]

Ty!

[exotic otter]

it'll be fun... if soon we will have another instruction that we will not be able to interpret correctly

[eternal timber]

"closed captions" in firefox

[timid swift]

"open captions" in firefox

[native maple]

im thinking we might get another part of the lyrics of numbers since from the sound cloud we got the 3 first lines

[timid swift]

Another number video to go crazy over?

[native maple]

no another
https://i1.sndcdn.com/visuals-001258077262-DUgObZ-t2480x520.jpg

[timid swift]

Lyric reveal!

[safe monolith]

anyone using vanced 18.19.35? my youtube is bugged, i can see that the video is 3:24 long before it glitches batck to premiere

[timid swift]

what if you watch a different video and go back? I intuit that it's a clientside bug - no data leaked from the server

[safe monolith]

same results. i probably don't have embed perms, so i'll just paste the img on docs and see what you do with it

[timid swift]

Corrrect and sure! Worst case scenario, we document a bug. And that's not so bad :p

inb4 the puppetmaster changes the video to be 3:24 long

[austere sun]

isnt vanced dead? my 18.02.33 shows neither "cc" tag nor video length

[safe monolith]

am using revanced, sorry. i'll also document my patches and see if someone else can recreate it

[exotic otter]

in theory, it can be used... but it's better to use revanced

[safe monolith]

nvm, can confirm it is indeed 3:24.

:{"browseId":"UCqOK_pl0LS0e8Lp7HMRDZsw","canonicalBaseUrl":"/@_neurosama"}}}]},"lengthText":{"accessibility":{"accessibilityData":{"label":"3 minutes, 24 seconds"}},"simpleText":"3:24"},"ownerText":{"runs":[{"text":"_neurosama","navigationEndpoint":{"clickTrackingParams":"CBQQ3DAiEwjgkJ2T3M__AhUZIrcAHRCmBX0=","commandMetadata":{"webCommandMeta

[austere sun]

leaked. what's it from though, what is the api call asking for

[exotic otter]

the problem with revanced is that, unlike vanced, developers do not create apk files themselves... this burden was placed on users (in order not to comprehend the fate of vanced).
And for example on our analogue xda, which is called 4pda... users, in addition to collecting ready-made builds themselves, also modify it.... which can lead to different bugs... and the fact that you saw may be a common bug.

[safe monolith]

I did this:

1. Get to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymYFqNUt05g
2. Open DevTools > Network, leave it open
3. Back in YouTube, click on Share > Embed
4. Back in DevTools, click on the search icon, and search for “3 minutes”
5. Find out that the video is 3 minutes 24 seconds long

The API call itself needs cookies and a JSON leaking my IP and timezone, so I'd rather not replicate it with a curl

[exotic otter]

turtle.... clue

||this is a joke... I understand what this means)))||

[austere sun]

so you're just watching devtools? because i can't for the life of me find anything related to 3 minutes or 3:24

[safe monolith]

Yeah, but you need to be at the Share > Embed dialog. After selecting the search icon and typing in "3 minutes" into the search bar, you should be able to see it. I use FireFox btw

[exotic otter]

Of course I know that I'm not a very good backend developer... But at least I understand something... and I can't find a query about "3 minutes" too...

[austere sun]

i am in share > embed dialog, heres opera, firefox and chrome, am i missing something

[dapper wraith]

Same. the only result I can find is coming from the recommendations

[native maple]

why is this video showing in my recommend now

did you all click on this shrek video

[exotic otter]

we life in matrix

it remains only to accept this

[daring acorn]

I thought it was the way they tuned it that made it sound different. Even if its not her, my reasoning for that conclusion is listening closely and I heard lots of things eleanor does

Maybe its a different vocal synth? I don't think its neuro singing

[exotic otter]

ahahah... either YouTube's algorithms are too brilliant for this world... or big brother is watching us

[native maple]

youtube is in the arg thread confirmed

[austere sun]

why wouldnt it be neuro singing, surely it'd be easier to tune v1 voice than pay for eleanor and make it sound more like neuro

i feel like i am getting massively scammed, google's own youtube api docs are outdated by more than a year and there is literally zero python example code with new authentication flow on the internet.
do i just use a wrapper library? what if its outdated too lmao, last commit on dec 26th 2022

[austere sun]

i found some code that works and it is indeed 3:24. tbh i am kind of disappointed it's so short, but at least it's not numbers with 1 minute runtime

i'll try to find what other parts i can request

[supple perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymYFqNUt05g

[austere sun]

also captions confirmed. i am going to paste this fake json instead of the one that's currently in the docs unless democracy decides otherwise

[abstract mural]

Vedal college theory confirmed??1??1?!!1¡?

[eternal timber]

Pretty much - since he mentioned "going back to college"

[austere sun]

he already said in some interview he went to college, so that's known, and also that he wasn't studying programming

[hollow flare]

holy crap I was right after all

[crimson tendon]

@hollow flare has leveled up! (5 ➜ 6)

[hollow flare]

I literally just joked about vedal college like a week ago

[runic sphinx]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ExpensiveAggressiveSangTwitchRPG-D91ZyD_O34B3o69F

[coral ibex]

it must be a clue

[wind crypt]

INCOMING

[austere sun]

so captions were indeed updated

not even that actually, last updated 11:22:58

[elder oar]

Can't wait to have to decipher the lyrics again

[austere sun]

noo, i cant just download captions from an unreleased video, how could this be happening to me.

i do wonder what this update is about tho, since this and captions update are an hour apart

[honest harness]

Maybe it has something to do with how I only saw it at 11:30 and posted here. I was sure I was checking the page within 10 minutes prior with no sign of the premiere

I'm sure it wasn't there 45 minutes earlier

[scarlet flume]

I knew i heard vedal say the title today
https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987/clip/ExpensiveAggressiveSangTwitchRPG-D91ZyD_O34B3o69F

[austere sun]

youtube says it was published at 10:46, so it is published at 10:46, everything else is a skill issue.

you're late with this clip it was already posted. and also vedal said public static void in the very beggining of the stream, you're missing out

[honest harness]

Can you publish premieres and leave it private though?

[safe burrow]

Well, by the fact that I think it won’t be long to wait for the premiere, so you guys are great.

[honest harness]

I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm sure I didn't see it any earlier and I was checking the channel and my subscription page for sure within 45 minutes

But it doesn't matter anyway

make sure someone records the premiere in case the video goes away

[honest harness]

#1112082183235047506 message
What is the background song used in this?

[daring acorn]

accurate

[golden quartz]

hi guys

how progress in decryption ARG?

[slim kelp]

HOLY CRAP STATIC-SAMA?

[cosmic grail]

Can you force-start a premiere tho?

[vapid token]

Yes

[cosmic grail]

Oh

[vapid token]

At least from a phone. Even if you can't, you can change the time of publication

So, yeah

[crystal urchin]

Ah the schizo gang I can pretty much confirmed the upcoming video is 3min and 24sec

[cosmic grail]

CC is back on btw

didnt it dissapear?

[elder oar]

Industry baby I'm pretty sure

[honest harness]

Yugeee

[honest harness]

Thanks!
It's this version looks like https://youtu.be/-IudP7eYVLc

[safe burrow]

And yes, a cool video, of course I'm waiting for the second part.

[gritty blaze]

It takes about 27-30 hours to check full range from 0 to 100,000,000,000.

[safe burrow]

Wow

[gritty blaze]

idk if it's supposed to be that slow with aes though...

[native maple]

It's kinda slow

[hearty glen]

you ever just main string args

[native maple]

Thats a mood

One day you'll suspend fun main

[gritty blaze]

Maybe it's slow because I gave part of it to a different core?

[native maple]

I don't really know much about multi core stuff

Might just be AES or the lib your using for AES

[dapper wraith]

it can be slower e.g. if the task is too small the communication between cores might make the whole thing slower than having everything on one core

also: I don't remember if you're using python but multiple threads in python on windows can only run one at a time so you'll need to use multiprocessing for it to speed up depending on the task

[gritty blaze]

Ahhh sorry, I fucked up. Not 100,000,000,000 but 10,000,000,000,000 for 27-30 hours.

On one core 100,000,000,000 it's about 15 hours.

Or I'm doing something wrong with my math, this numbers...

10^12 = 1,000,000,000,000 - so this is how much I checked?

[dapper wraith]

you were checking for all 16 byte numeric keys with 4 digits being fixed as 17 and 24 right? then 10^12 should be correct 👍

[gritty blaze]

Yea, is it slow or fine?

I'm planning to lend 10 pcs with 32 core cpu each and run the script for 30 hours to check all possibilities in 1 day.

[dapper wraith]

10^12 keys in 30 hours would be around 10 million keys per second. I think thats fine.

[gritty blaze]

Okay, good.

[arctic canyon]

I tried using multoprocessing and threading in Python to make this faster

it had really weird results and in the en dI didn't really draw any conclusion

But I did find that read/writes caused a massive overhead and storing / writing keys and decrypted data into the RAM made the whole thing significantly aster

-- tempfs
--- 100 threads ThreadPoolExecutor
53.2613707339915

--- 10 threads ThreadPoolExecutor
45.0695832969941

--- in-line for loop
33.173981311992975

--- normal for loop
32.38514685600239

--- Multiprocessing
8.181967821001308

-- SSD
--- 100 threads ThreadPoolExecutor
56.34450344200013

--- 10 threads ThreadPoolExecutor
46.603114452002046

--- normal for loop
33.72468258900335

--- Multiprocessing
DNC

This was tested decrypting study description using AES128, the Devglan IV (t) padded ot 16 bits or chopped to 16 bits and 26,000 keys

Essentially, when loaded into the RAM, multi-processing was much faster. Threading was always slower than normal for loop.

When I tried this with my actual key dataset it ran for several days and I'm not sure if multiprocessing really helped or not

It produced 16GB of decrypted data, none of which had low entropy 90% of file signatures but of the ones I tested none were real, then I got bored and gave up

[safe burrow]

Never give up and go to your goal and overcoming obstacles you will at its very top

[dapper otter]

hi