Neuro ARG

[native maple]

We solved so few

[red brook]

when I was reading through the docs the first time, I was kinda impressed that someone recognized the malbolge so early

tbh if the instructions from the lyrics were less ambiguous, this would be a lot easier :D

[native maple]

I still think vedal made it possible it's just we can't figure it out

[red brook]

yeah I don't think it's just a huge troll/bait

but compared to most ARGs I've seen, this one uses a lot of stuff that's pretty advanced

[timid swift]

Yee, Bit was on the ball for that

[red brook]

(I come from the Game Detectives server, so I have seen a lot of ARGs :D)

[native maple]

Pog

[timid swift]

Ah, maybe you'll actually be able to solve our baby arg :p

It'd be weird for it to be a bait. He'd be alienating his own audience since it all started on the stream waiting screen

[warped torrent]

idk about advanced

more too vague than anything

[native maple]

Don't forget to "open" in Firefox

[red brook]

well the lyrics are just vague
I mean stuff like the malbolge and the probably-aes-base64

[timid swift]

What makes you think AES? Or do you mean modern encryption in general?

[warped torrent]

seems common place for anyone who's played a ctf

[red brook]

ctf =/= ARG
the audiences overlap, but not by much

imo

[timid swift]

True, but at this point it does feel just as much as a CTF.

[warped torrent]

you'd be surprised how stupid some of the misc challenges are

where 90% of the time you'd spend guessing some random obscure shit the challenger came up with - like some ARGs

[red brook]

yeah that's always annoying

[reef stump]

I have no idea if it's related but when I was searching for some past clips of neuro I got these two interesting moments from the same video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xchy0UOspuA&t=7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xchy0UOspuA&t=31s

At 7s, neuro said her password is "OccupyCarlisle".

[timid swift]

Nice. Definitely belongs in the docs!

[reef stump]

At 31s, neuro said her bitcoin key is "H4nk3zFyBgT7S5vv7Xh2shkHxmJgPzn"

[wintry notch]

ain't no way vedal planed that far ahed

[reef stump]

Sure, that's why I said it seems not so related to this arg, particularly the bitcoin key part.

[wintry notch]

yea, i feel bad for the guy. his bitcoin :(

[timid swift]

Nawh, btc address keys are longer than that.

[wintry notch]

any way next stream is dev so i don't think we geting anything

[timid swift]

Next stream is evil neuro solo

[wintry notch]

NICE, LORE HERE WE COME

[river mantle]

Vedal said "no elp" but evil is defied vedal command... does that mean evil gonna give us a hint?

[timid swift]

Technically Vedal has only said that he will not give hints and that donating will not give hints. He did not say that Neuro hasn't and won't say anything relevant on stream (except that donations won't be the trigger)
That said, nothing in the ARG has pointed back TO the stream.

[austere sun]

no, he did. on the first dev stream after debut, that you will get nothing 'here'

[hardy burrow]

guys it's been a while and I've been losing touch, do we have progress on the arg?

[river mantle]

somehow I falling down again

[wintry notch]

man, i don't wana be an engineer, but my mom is forcing me to be one.

[eternal timber]

I don't want to be human

[wintry notch]

im only human after all

[coral ibex]

It does remind me of how vedal sent that message of "this extends to the past and the future"

Maybe that is potentially a clue?

[wintry notch]

he din't say present tho

[placid marsh]

And the one after is a reaction stream to something?

[gritty blaze]

I tired using it, but it's give me errors. It want me to use 31 characters key with 128 idk why. I give it 16 characters, it tells I gave only 8? huh? or 8 byte idk.

[dapper wraith]

make sure to also set the key/IV format. e.g. in HEX notation each character is a nibble so for a 16 byte key you would need 32 characters.

[gritty blaze]

so I need to convert my key to HEX?

[dapper wraith]

if you have HEX selected you have to input it as such. you can also select other formats

[gritty blaze]

I tired all still get errors no matter what tried search in google, see people had this errors back in 2017 lol

I guess this site just refuse to work for me with aes.

[red brook]

oh. auto-padding seems to be broken on cyberchef.
yeah, that's annoying.

[rigid moon]

the plaintext pkcs7 padding? It doesn't offer derivation/padding for the key/iv

[red brook]

For example "testkey" is 74 65 73 74 6b 65 79 in hex. It's 7 bytes long, so you have to add 9 bytes to get to a full key length of 16 (as is required for AES-128).
9 bytes of zeroes look like this in hex: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00, since each byte is represented by two hexadecimal digits.
If we right-pad the key with zeroes we get 74 65 73 74 6b 65 79 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00.
The IV also has to be 16 bytes long. This can be left as all zeroes (which is not recommended if you want something to be actually secure). That would be 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 in hex.

This is where I would include a screenshot of cyberchef, but I can't post images pepeHands

usually you don't pad the key like this though. this is just how you could construct a valid key.
(prev. sentence edited, since the relevant issue is generating a valid key, not whether CC spits out errors or not)

tbh I'm not that familiar with modern cryptography, especially not with standard practices.
I think hashing some text so that it always results in 16 bytes is probably better

....but ARG creators often have no idea either and will do the weirdest shit

[red brook]

ooh yeah
would have been good to keep reading after seeing "padding"

either way, if the descriptions are just aes-encrypted text, I'm sure that the key will be the full 16 bytes long.
I don't think there are any shenanigans required like manual padding or guessing the key derivation scheme.

[burnt glacier]

does anybody else look at this channel a lot despite not understanding anything that's important to solving an ARG, or is it just me lol

[eternal timber]

You're not alone lmao

[steel bronze]

ok have we tried doing something with the egbidc which is given by turning 572943 into letters according to "matching all the letters" lyric right after the string of numbers?

because

its

very suspiciou

that SPECIFICALLY 572943 was chosen

because 572943 has an oddity which it CANT HAVE A LETTER FROM 2 NUMBERS.

57 is not a letter in the english language

neither is 72

29

94

43

so clearly

clearly

we need to match all the letters with numbers

[austere sun]

these people still thinking any of it is even supposed to be solved

[supple perch]

how is the ARG going

[abstract mural]

Hey guys

Any progress?

[steel bronze]

no we've gone schizo

[abstract mural]

Like always

[honest harness]

been a week since numbers 2

[paper edge]

I'll tell you what doesn't help. listening to "study" over and over

[crimson tendon]

@paper edge has leveled up! (4 ➜ 5)

[paper edge]

it's nice tho

[nova acorn]

i legit use study as a bg noise while im reading. it's nice

[daring acorn]

July 8, 2023

[elder oar]

I am legit going insane and it's only been a day since I joined the arg

solving crew

[coral ibex]

Welcome to the club

[hollow trail]

Hows your brain rot guys?

I have 95% brain rot

[elder oar]

I'm on this website called https://www.devglan.com/online-tools/aes-encryption-decryption
And it keeps telling me that input length has to be a multiple of 16

[elder oar]

Do y'all think that this make sense?
I had this idea of treating each digit as its own number
So 2572943 becomes
2, 5, 7, 2, 9, 4 and 3

And for instructions like "add 9, yeah" we would add 9 to every number

Which turns it into 11, 14, 16, 11, 18, 13 and 12 and at the end of all the instructions we smash it back together into one number

Does it make sense? Does it merit further investigation?

[crimson tendon]

@elder oar has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)

[coral ibex]

dont think we have tried that yet

[coral ibex]

if this is the answer i would be amazed ngl

imma try this

[elder oar]

It's definitely an interesting idea

[coral ibex]

how do you interpret the "matching all the letters" line then, as its right after the start with 2

[elder oar]

Probably match the numbers to its corresponding letters at the end idk

[coral ibex]

hmmm

we dont get any twos

unless my math is wrong

following ur method i did this

added 9
55,70,80,55,90,65,60
mult 5
61,76,86,61,96,71,66
add 6```

my formatting is scuffed but the operation is underneath the value

[elder oar]

Yeah I can understand it

Idk

[coral ibex]

there might be some merit to it

[elder oar]

Make the 2 a 3 in my head could be interpreted as changing the second number to the third number

So now 76 becomes 86

[coral ibex]

what would add the numbers 2,4?

or rather

where would it go?

in the 2nd spot,the 4th or the end

mb for buggin you im tryna understand ur thought process here ngl

[elder oar]

I actually don't really understand "add the numbers 2, 4" even mean so idk either

What do you even do with that normally

[coral ibex]

with your train of thought i figured it would be like adding 2nd and 4th pos, like what you had it for "make the 2 a 3"

[elder oar]

If add the numbers 2, 4 means adding the second pos with the fourth pos then yeah

it would be adding second number with fourth number

[coral ibex]

added 9

55,70,80,55,90,65,60
mult 5

61,76,86,61,96,71,66
add 6

16,67,68,16,69,17,66
flip()

16,68,68,16,69,17,66
make the two a three
(2nd pos <- 3rd pos)

144,612,612,144,621,153,594
mult 9

144,612,756,621,153,594
add 2 4 (added 2 to 4

17,144,612,756,621,153,594
17 is first
(end)``` heres my worked out steps  from your logic lmk if this makes sense

only thing is im not sure how this translates back to letters

if it even does yet

[elder oar]

I don't know how either

but I have been cooking up an idea

[coral ibex]

let him cook

[elder oar]

to continously subtract one number with 26 (the length of alphabet) until it's less than 26

[coral ibex]

so number mod 26?

[elder oar]

Ye

I forgot that existed

[steel bronze]

wait we gettin somewhere?

we cookin?

[coral ibex]

maybe we cooking

[elder oar]

Mayhap

[steel bronze]

what about "add another line, yeah"

[elder oar]

Honestly no idea where we're going with this

[coral ibex]

oh damn i forgot about that

ggs we are not cooking no more its just a schizo theory /s

[elder oar]

I don't know man

[steel bronze]

572943, add a 9
5729439
then put THAT in a new line?

[coral ibex]

ngl i have no clue what the new line means

[elder oar]

what does that even mean

[coral ibex]

it feels like a programming language thing

[steel bronze]

ITS THE DAMN NEW LINE DAMN IT!!

[elder oar]

[coral ibex]

we need to \n

[steel bronze]

TRUE

what if there is a language that just generates code based of a song-based syntax

and we've all been clueless

[coral ibex]

i was thinking matching all the letters was like matching letter count from the number so five => four letters so its four

[coral ibex]

w song

[steel bronze]

but

[elder oar]

That does make sense

[steel bronze]

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THE Fibonacci GOLDEN RATIO MEAN GAHHHH

[coral ibex]

imagine vedal coded his own thing for this

[elder oar]

yes

[steel bronze]

i looked at golden ratio after golden ratio

all i see is golden ratio

[coral ibex]

i could prob make a scuffed instrumental for this if needed

[coral ibex]

the real golden ratio was the journey

[warped torrent]

I already did

the instrumental was recreated from scratch

[coral ibex]

maybe i can get it less scuffed

[steel bronze]

true we goin down that golden ratio like it's our sanity

🔥

[coral ibex]

idk lol

[elder oar]

Dude imagine each note in the instrumental is actually a number

[steel bronze]

MUSIC THEORY IN NEURO ARG

real.

[coral ibex]

what software did u use

[coral ibex]

music theory arg ppl would pop off

[steel bronze]

has the spectrogram for the numbers and numbers 2 video been checked out yet?

[coral ibex]

yoo fl gang

[elder oar]

I'm jamming ngl

[coral ibex]

yeah

check docs

[elder oar]

oops

[coral ibex]

i feel its a diff e guitar imo but lemme see what i can cook up (itll be scuffed)

[steel bronze]

i remember when someone put the base64 string in the study video into that encryption checker

they said that the base64 string there was

likely unecnrypted?

🤨

either the tool is

nmessy with small strings

or

[warped torrent]

Doesn't matter I'm not trying to recreate the original 100% lol

[steel bronze]

something else

wait

let me cook

for a sec

SO

"start with the number 2 yeah" meaning we START WITH 2

so

[coral ibex]

its bc of the length

[steel bronze]

2, then it says "matching all the letters" then the string of numbers

[coral ibex]

cook up we believe in you

[steel bronze]

2egbidc9

then

add a 9

multiply by five

so

10egbidc456

then 6

fuck shit!!! its wrong

WAIT

NO

ITS NOT!

because...

a 2 here is technically

A B!

so it'd technically be easier to have

numbers instead of letters here

then make every number a letter

@coral ibex oh shit this made me realized what it meant by another 9

572943 (7 Syllables)
(screen blinks black)
Add another 9 yeah (6 Syllables)

572943 HAS A 9

IT HAS A 9

THIS IS WHY IT SAYS ANOTHER 9

that or im COMPLETELY SCHIZO

this actually means any number or string

MUST CONTAIN a form of 572943

[coral ibex]

lets follow this logic step by step

or at least from the "start with two" again

[steel bronze]

its possible that the "17 is first, yeah" lyric is just

error checking

just

double checking us

we're right if the first two numbers are 17

[elder oar]

Either that or adding 17 to the front

[steel bronze]

we can do both maybe

but

the problem comes with the GOLDEN RATIO and the fucking line shit

[coral ibex]

you also skipped "add another line" i think

[steel bronze]

😭

[elder oar]

In the docs somewhere I'm sure the golden ratio is mentioned to be connected to the fibonnaci sequence or something

[steel bronze]

wait shit

a golden ratio

has a long section

and a short section

[steel bronze]

pretty sure the golden ratio is how you get the fibonanci sequence or smth

but ive made a discovery

what if

after the "add another line yeah"

we read the lyrics

FROM THE END

to the line lyric

TO GET EITHER THE SHORTER SECTION OR THE LOGNER SECTION OF THE GOLDEN RATIO

then we add both

to get the sum

[elder oar]

I'm not sure I'm quite following? I think I have brain damage

[coral ibex]

https://esolangs.org/wiki/Grime_MC its real

[steel bronze]

let me explain again
so, we go add a number 2, add the string of numbers then add another 9

we have 1 number

then

this NEW LINE is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NUMBER

the way we get that number is that

we start

from

"17 is the first yeah"

THEN we go up lyric by lyric

[elder oar]

ohhhhh

[steel bronze]

17 -> add 2 4 -> 23 -> multiply by 9 -> 207 -> make 2 a 3 -> 307 -> add 6 -> 313 -> multiply by 5 -> 1565

[coral ibex]

we could also try adding 24?

idk

[elder oar]

What about the flip the numbers part

[steel bronze]

doesnt produce a number with 2 after multiplied by 9

[steel bronze]

SHIT

[coral ibex]

its 703 -> 709 -> 3545?

[elder oar]

My previous discussion made me realise that make the 2 a 3 could be referring to making the second pos digit the third pos digit

[steel bronze]

idea

flipping the numbers

would be

making them negative

also we can use https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/math/goldenratio.php WHICH GUESS WHAT

NEEDS ONLY TWO VARIABLES

A AND B!!

so having two numbers makes sense

[coral ibex]

let him cook!

fr tho i think ur onto something

[steel bronze]

now i propose an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT WAY OF THINKING ABOUT THIS

[coral ibex]

where would golden ratio go with this tho

[steel bronze]

take the number we got before "add another line"

then do the equations ON IT

[steel bronze]

AES key perhaps idk

cuz

matching all the letters

=

turn numbers

into letters

=

key????

=

profit????????

[coral ibex]

lets see

so we have 2572943 and 3545?

since you forgot the flip on urs for the 2nd number

u wanna double check that number to be sure

[steel bronze]

sure but im tired

[coral ibex]

[steel bronze]

shit

well fuck

yeah doesnt work

[coral ibex]

damn

theres a at everyone esoteric language

https://esolangs.org/wiki/@everyone

[steel bronze]

actually

let me cook HARDER

HARDER!!

what if

we take the number

[elder oar]

Guys we could use a fibocanni function
f(3545)

[crimson tendon]

@elder oar has leveled up! (1 ➜ 2)

[steel bronze]

when does the golden ratio appear

BASED ON THE LYRICS

which lyric

does it appear at

we take this lyric

find the number we get with it (or before it)

[elder oar]

It will give us a very large number, exactly what we need for the aes key!!!!

[steel bronze]

THEN USE THAT NUMBER

[coral ibex]

starts from add another 6 yeah

[steel bronze]

FOR THAT GOLDEN RATIO

[elder oar]

what are we even doinggg

[coral ibex]

someone is going schizo thinking theyre cooking

[steel bronze]

ok ive gone schizo

[coral ibex]

ngl i would prefer shakespeare esoteric language over numbers but numbers got music

[steel bronze]

but at least i found something

the fact that

another 9

is related to the string of numbers

which means the random string of numbers

RELATES TO THE NUMBER WE NEED

[coral ibex]

[steel bronze]

Finally... I can be Credited.

[burnt glacier]

Holy shit I have been on a rollercoaster reading all the message history I missed

[coral ibex]

lol

[burnt glacier]

We cooking?

Or done cooking?

[steel bronze]

we finally know the meaning of english

[coral ibex]

idk i think the cook isnt cooking anymore

semantics is hard

[burnt glacier]

Awesome

[steel bronze]

i stopped cooking... too tired

😭

i swear this arg will have us find the origin of words to even GET a hint

[coral ibex]

u were gonna set off the fire alarm, was cooking too much heat

[elder oar]

lol

[coral ibex]

no hints; we gotta figure it all out on our own

[elder oar]

I think we can go small fire cooking

[steel bronze]

but i have to say something

im 99% sure that hte

starting with numbers 2 video theory

is

100%

bad cookign

[burnt glacier]

Lol

[elder oar]

There's still an idea of plugging the numbers into some sort of fibocanni calc
f(numbers)

[steel bronze]

https://www.omnicalculator.com/math/golden-ratio

[steel bronze]

thats not gonna be disregarded unless we get hard proof that it doesnt work

but i also discredited my theory of turning the string of numbers to text and using that to solve something

[burnt glacier]

I'm beginning to think we might need to just throw all sense out the window and go completely schizo, just say random shit until something works lol

[coral ibex]

i mean thats kinda whats been happening i feel

[steel bronze]

currently thats our strategy

decrypting a AES string is

impossible

[coral ibex]

if we go enough schizo it becomes a galaxy brain play

[steel bronze]

you'd need to be decrypting until the universe fucking ends

😭

[burnt glacier]

Then we must go even more schizo

[steel bronze]

thats what i did

i looked at EACH LETTER

AND NUMBER

and found a overlooked detail

that disproves

a lot of shit

[burnt glacier]

Our schizo level needs to be over 9000!

[steel bronze]

also im 90% sure neuro is just there to be umm

neuro

she's just there

dont think she matters at all

[burnt glacier]

Well it seems to have worked, just keep going schizo and maybe we'll get somewhere

[elder oar]

Always tried not to be schizo, never knew it was the key all along😳

[burnt glacier]

She's just the one who doesn't want to be an engineer (maybe)

[coral ibex]

damn neuro could be an engineer rn and she doesnt wanna be

u typed that way faster than i did lol

[burnt glacier]

Embrace the schizo, feel it running through your veins

[burnt glacier]

Lol

[steel bronze]

im going to do more schizo investigations tomorrow

[burnt glacier]

Nice, hopefully if you just keep doing this we'll get somewhere lol

[steel bronze]

@coral ibex wait so what exactly needs to be decrypted here?

the base64's output? the base64's hash?

[coral ibex]

for what

[steel bronze]

the base64 ITSELF??

[steel bronze]

every base64 message so far

i doubt it the base64's output

since that produces

a short string

with non-utf-8 chars

[coral ibex]

we are given some form of base64 with some unknown encoding atm

we dont know if its a custom alphabet or symmetric/asymmetric encryption or something else entirely

so theres not too much to go off of in terms of decrypting

i feel the docs have stated most of what im talking about and maybe more

[steel bronze]

damn time to read docs again

hmm

ok time to make a

bot

that can try decrypting

in all different ways

from 1 number

aka

spend a day or two making a program to save me 3 or 5 minutes of time

[coral ibex]

i feel theres prob cyberchef and a bunch of online stuff

[steel bronze]

what i meant is that im gonna make a bot thats gonna try a buncha methods such as taking the number and makng it into a golden ratio number (or a "golden number") and transforming to letters to use as a AES Key or using the number itself without a AES Key etc

while still being

largely fast

[coral ibex]

oh

ur gonna cook up as a dev now

too much flames

[steel bronze]

i could also try to make a interactive number generator with the lyrics

🔥

cuz semantics are

confusing

lmao

[steel bronze]

anyways goodnight

[coral ibex]

Gn

[elder oar]

Does anybody have the padded version of the numbers video description

[timid swift]

padded version? Like the baes64 padding?

[elder oar]

Ye, cuz I don't know how to pad it

[timid swift]

Hmm, but it already is padded?

[elder oar]

That's weird, it keeps giving me the error that it isn't multiple of 16 or something

[timid swift]

Maybe you copy pasted it wrong?

there should be a copy in the docs

[native maple]

the Base64 isn't multiple of 16, the decoded Base64 is multiple of 16

Base64 is 1388 bytes and when you decode it you get 1040 bytes

[elder oar]

Yeah you're right, I did copy paste it incorrectly (I only had 1300 bytes before)

Damn I can't even copy paste, I'm a tier below Vedal

[timid swift]

mean lol

[spring pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

[hollow trail]

THE NUMBERS, MASON, WHAT DO THEY MEAN?

[steady fossil]

Turns out the real ARG was the Schizo we got along the way

[hollow flare]

Turns out the real ARG was truly studying

[gritty blaze]

Well I sure learned too much things that I never thought about from this arg

[spring pasture]

I thought I saw a ghost in this ARG journey

[hardy burrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1116764356978430022.gif?size=64

[safe burrow]

I drink coffee for your health and achievements.

[crimson tendon]

@safe burrow has leveled up! (7 ➜ 8)

[timid swift]

Makes sense. I had to brush up some forgotten cryptoanalysis for all this

[tawny pasture]

Let me check the timeline

Ah

Not too much new

Glitch patterns is new though

[timid swift]

oh yeah, pretty interesting take

[gritty blaze]

nope

I gave this theory in day 2 or 3

[tawny pasture]

Well, the page for it

[gritty blaze]

nobody just cared

[tawny pasture]

The page is new

[gritty blaze]

the page yea

the theory itself exist long ago

I dropped it because I realized that the compression probably destroyed the message if there is any

[violet eagle]

Anyways how’s the arg going

[timid swift]

Seems like we're stuck until someone with the right knowledge comes along or we get another drop that'll let us unlock the previous content. New analysis seems to have died down.

[glad horizon]

genious

[wooden bobcat]

are you guys getting somewhere?

[coral ibex]

[daring acorn]

July 8, 2023

[coral ibex]

Time to wait 2 years until we have everything we need to solve numbers

[restive wagon]

This is our best chance for hints right?

Fingers crossed

[runic sphinx]

Has anyone checked today's qr code?

[gritty blaze]

It's probably the same as always

[austere sun]

red yeyes!!!!
ghjsahd
why was i bamboozled the first time.
she still can't wink sadge

[daring acorn]

someone check if the binary is the same

[restive wagon]

Real neuro is stuck playing piano forever.
She really really likes ViVy

[gritty blaze]

which binary?

[austere sun]

here, if anyone wants to

[gritty blaze]

It's just the regular FUN AI probably

[eager hull]

same

[austere sun]

yeah it is the same

[daring acorn]

the binary is different

[austere sun]

i pasted the image into binary eyes doc, you can see them side by side, it's the same

[daring acorn]

1 pixel is off omg real

[restive wagon]

Big if real

[daring acorn]

July 8, 2023

[gritty blaze]

hmmm?

[daring acorn]

Get your notebooks ready

[gritty blaze]

maybe we can try ask evil about engneer and all

lol

[vast yoke]

Hi, hiyori.

[crimson tendon]

@vast yoke has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

[languid swan]

[restive wagon]

There ya go lel

Random numbers :sadge:

[gritty trail]

she said she made that song

[gritty blaze]

numbers = messages huh?

[restive wagon]

Its all fake!

There was never an answer!

And thats the answer

[eager hull]

ARG is fake SCHIZO

[restive wagon]

Big if fake

[gritty trail]

evil is come with us?

[restive wagon]

Hmmm

Write that down?

Was it the news thing?

Hmmm

[gritty trail]

i just found out..

[restive wagon]

Unless if the mod is trollin

Wondering if the news thing she said is important lel

[daring acorn]

Just figured out that there is a morse thing on the cogwheel that says "?"

[wintry notch]

anything yet?

[restive wagon]

Evil made the songs

And uhh, arg is fake :clueless:

[gritty blaze]

Things Evil said ARG related:
Study was the first song.
The numbers are messages.

[restive wagon]

Did she say the numbers are messages?

I swear she said the numbers don't have meaning

[gritty blaze]

yep but its' probably nothing really

she said the numbers on her screen are messages

[gritty trail]

can ask her try it

[restive wagon]

Hmm, im gonna have to rewatch

[fossil wigeon]

I think she said the numbers appearing with the messages (dono messages) are random. I see none, but I think that was an AI moment

[gritty blaze]

we can try and ask what message is under number "and add the number" if she know message = numbers...

[restive wagon]

I swear she said it was just numbers on her screen to be numbers

[gritty trail]

but she didn't said number is message

[crimson tendon]

@gritty trail has leveled up! (1 ➜ 2)

[gritty blaze]

she said

[gritty trail]

Okay

[austere sun]

what a cringe discussion

[gritty blaze]

lol

[gritty trail]

think i need to rewatch huh

[restive wagon]

Ye lol

Or we all having a schizp moment

Every stream is personalized

Tease for the pigtail lady?

[daring acorn]

Rip acc?

[restive wagon]

New bubbly char

[wintry notch]

what happend?

[restive wagon]

Too based

[daring acorn]

she was talking about murdering everyone then got restarted

[gritty blaze]

what she said?

[wintry notch]

LOL

[gritty blaze]

lol

[austere sun]

this isn't #livestream-chat

[gritty trail]

What evil said?

[restive wagon]

[daring acorn]

using these things as clues

[wintry notch]

ye

[restive wagon]

Its not like there's anything else to talk about with the arg rn

[austere sun]

then don't talk?

[gritty trail]

[restive wagon]

Relevant^

For u

Pfc

[austere sun]

if you are just going to spam and discuss livestream then go to #livestream-chat, you're the one misusing the chat, and not me gatekeeping it

if you want to, let's have a moderator ping

[marble mural]

hm

[red brook]

not everyone treats discord channels the same
some people prioritize ontopic discussion and want to reduce spam
others don't. they wanna spam it like a random group chat prefer social chatting

it's a spectrum, not black-or-white, but I've seem people get mad at each other for this many many times

[restive wagon]

Big if true

I am forever gonna say that her saaying her fav anime is vivy, and how much she makes refrences to it is important

For somehow

[red brook]

important for the ARG?
tbh I'm not even sure whether anything from stream-neuro will be relevant

as in "I don't think on-stream neuro will drop hints"

[timid swift]

Unlikely to be relevant, yes

[red brook]

of course the ARG uses the character and there might be references to backstory/lore/idk
I don't see how any lore would directly help with the current puzzles

[wintry notch]

UM

YOU GUY'S HEARD THAT

[daring acorn]

yes we heard that lmao

[wintry notch]

did she do our job for us?

saddly not

[gritty blaze]

heard what?

[wintry notch]

i can't paste it

but she sed

"Yes i am a woman trapped in a machine's body you silly human! And don't you forget it @(username)."

might have been a random reply tho

[gritty blaze]

maybe not

you know that you can build your own bot with personality

you can copy personality of anime character and more, so if Vedal used something similar to build a secret lore personality or something like this. certain words can trigger it.

like if you have an anime character with personality disorder, and it get control over the body when someone say " a word" and you make an AI with the same personality, it'll react the same.

[austere sun]

no

[gritty blaze]

it reacted to engineer, so how you explain it?

that cringe according to vedal

[austere sun]

manual

[past grove]

It's a Live2d Model, it has many toggles for that stuff

Wouldn't be too hard to programm something that activate certain toggles for x amount of times in a time frame.

[timid swift]

ye, neuro has this

[gritty blaze]

also

Meow cat ears

frog the frog thing

and more

its based on detecting key words

[austere sun]

then i guess you just know better than vedal, ok

[gritty blaze]

huh? it's a fact what do you mean by "know better" it's literally word detection...

[timid swift]

isn't that the difference between seeming and being?

[native maple]

we don't really know if it activates the toggles when it detect certain word or if the AI was trained to activate the toggle when certain words are said. Like the sad toggle activated when the text is sad etc..

that would be the difference between AI and keyword detection

that would be like training neuro amongus AI to not bump into walls compared to writing a code that detects wall collision and force a change into the direction walked

[tawny pasture]

Why can't I see this in my list?

[native maple]

check if you are following the thread at the top

should be a bell icon

you do appear in the user list on the right tho hmm

[dapper wraith]

maybe you have the section collapsed? then it only shows unread channels

[tawny pasture]

Oh wait, I did have it closed

Strange, all the categories are closed, I didn't close them

[wintry notch]

so, what info did we get from this stream?

[timid swift]

As always, nothing points to the stream containing clues

[wintry notch]

damn :(

[timid swift]

but does that stop us from obsessively watching every little detail anyway? No it does not

[wintry notch]

YES SIRRRRRRRRRRRR

[daring acorn]

���߾�

[wintry notch]

what?

[warped torrent]

you heard them

���߾�

[marble mural]

what

[wintry notch]

???

[crimson tendon]

@wintry notch has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

[hardy burrow]

they said ���߾�

[timid swift]

When you try to encode a message to something readable and all you get is ���߾�

[azure oyster]

so i have been gone from this thread for a while

i am willing to bet i missed zero progress

am i right

[red brook]

heyguys i found somethign in the static image the mods posted last week from 0x43804 to 0x4380c

||no, it won't help solve anything. sorry. also, you gotta look for it yourself.||

lemme know if you found it too

but seriously. I'm still not sure if anthing from those posts is an actual clue. It feels like it's at least 90% trolling, but I can't decide on the remaining 10%.

[daring acorn]

Hey guys

Uhh

I think the numbers descriptions are just links

[native maple]

urls ?

[azure oyster]

oh shit am i not right

did we make progress

[gritty blaze]

Maybe I'm up to something...

I thought what if the instruction is "Start with number 2" and "Matching all the letters" then the "572943" is actually "5, 7, 2, 9, 4, 3" and we need to use this 2 to be in a pair with each number from "5, 7, 2, 9, 4, 3" and later on to form letters. I tried it, but the code isn't right. However, what got my attention, is that I used base64 alphabet. 24 = Y and 23=X, which is YX but the instruction later says "flip backwards, which makes it "XY" and we also have Z with 25 = Z. Which is strange considering in numbers 2 there is a lot of talks about XY and in study XYZ. Or im going schizo again?

[burnt glacier]

there was a person who went schizo and started cooking and maybe made some progress, I didn't really understand it so idk lol

I found the person

Rabby

Rabby might have made some progress

[coral ibex]

oh yeah rabby was probably cooking

[austere sun]

this thread has truly hit the darkest times, not even a single person idling in overview doc. even 30.05 to 01.06 before numbers 2 wasn't this bad

[coral ibex]

surely itll only be a small dark period before the next clue

[burnt glacier]

no no it's fine, everybody has just gone too schizo to idle

[split zenith]

we're all in mental asylums

[restive wagon]

I'm gonna have my theory be that there was suppose to be more drops for the arg, but the arg has been pushed all the way to the back of importance, since vedal wants to rewrite half of the neuro code. And on top of that finish the amongus gaming

Doesn't seem like there could be possible enough time to also direct and figure out how to take the arg forward

[restive wagon]

Ah sorry, I was referring to more the direction the storyline for the arg could be set down, not actual puzzles or anything

[elder oar]

Has anybody tried to up the contrast and the brightness for all three videos? It might reveal something idk

I recently got inspiration from one of matpats old FNaF videos

[coral ibex]

i believe we have already tried that, but havent documented it ( unsure if everything was done, but i know we have brightened up some things)

[elder oar]

Huh so I guess we didn't find anything since it wasn't documented

But what about the new numbers 2 video? Since the video's still new

[gritty blaze]

Yea, there was hype because it was fun. Once everyone understood that we aren't solving it in the near time just lost interest, and also number 2 just made everything more confusing in my opinion.

[coral ibex]

i found something that might be of use but im not sure how to continue it atm

i was thinking if there was any correlations with numbers and study and saw that 257 was the length of the 2nd engineer song in study

ofc no idea if i can do anything from there but its prob another schizo thought

[elder oar]

Being schizo is the only way

[coral ibex]

the only way we know atm until we get another clue*

[elder oar]

It's weird that I think I saw a ghost was cut off just like that, but the length is only 325

[coral ibex]

where are you getting 325 from

[elder oar]

The length of le song

Nvm I'm dum

132

[timid swift]

I see. The song is 132 sandwiches long

[cosmic grail]

It's 132 engineering degrees long

[white ingot]

That's 528 years on average

[coral ibex]

It's 132 neurosamas stuck in engineering

On a side note, I thought maybe 6 digit binary could be something useful, as apparently you do that as an intermediary step to base64

But then I realized that base64 decoding would've worked already when we tried it like a week ago

[elder oar]

Very tasty, I would like a 132 sandwiches long song. I am currently in a mental asylum and I need sustenance

[coral hazel]

hi !
any progess since 6 or 7 days ?

[elder oar]

Probably not, I think we've just been slowly going more insane

I didn't catch the solo evil neuro stream today, was there any details I should know

[coral hazel]

ok thank !

[restive wagon]

Technically prohress, seems like the cool smart people have been trying stuff, but keep ending up at a brick wall each time

So not anywhere forward, but marking out more and more things

Vedal really pulling a Cicada moment

[raven bay]

Have you guys solved the arg?

[slim gulch]

no

[elder oar]

5 7 2 9 4 3
E G B I D C
Add 9
14 16 11 18 13 12
N P K R M L
70 80 55 90 65 60
Everything is cycled
18 2 3 12 13 8
R B C L M H
Add 6
24 8 9 18 19 16
X H I R S P
Flip
16 19 18 9 8 24
P S R I H X
Make the 2 a 3
16 19 18 9 8 34

Cycled

16 19 18 9 8 8
P S R I H H
Multiply by 9
144 171 126 81 72 72
Cycle
14 15 22 3 20 20
N O V C T T
Add 2, 4
20 21 28(2) 9 26 26
T U B Z Z

Tubzz is a bathtub supply store

I know I'm probably wrong, but I'm just doing anything at this point

I'm too bored being trapped in this asylum, the sandwiches weren't enough

[warped torrent]

[rapid lark]

Its the bathtub all along

[elder oar]

the sandwiches weren't enough

[austere sun]

just saw zero viewers in the doc. neuro arg thread has fallen. billions must become engineers

[arctic canyon]

[languid swan]

[feral forge]

schitzo the clues

[arctic canyon]

Gonna start tuning into frequencies she reads out maybe there will be a clue

[coral ibex]

What software are you using for this

[arctic canyon]

SDRangel https://github.com/f4exb/sdrangel
To listen in on frequencies you need a Software Defined Radio, the really popular one is called the RTLSDR but there are many others

[fossil wigeon]

oh, i really love the idea. however,

[arctic canyon]

It's ok, I'm only joking really I don't think it will be of much help here

Unless Vedal has setup a pirate radio station

[fossil wigeon]

there are frequencies available for public use, though I guess only with a valid loicense

[arctic canyon]

I suppose some are still available without a license, like walkie-talkies

Not sure exactly how the law works for broadcasting on those

Probably something about a range limitation applies

[fossil wigeon]

yes, this would be very location limited

[fossil wigeon]

i guess he could bounce some signals off of the Moon for a broader audience

[arctic canyon]

[coral ibex]

It could be some form of an IP address?

Ik you can socket to an IP and connect to it to get messages from a server; I've done it before

[eternal timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1117531057617653811/image.png

She mentioned fibonnaci numbers

[wintry notch]

why are the binary numbers stuck on her eyes?

probably a glich then something new

[austere sun]

if you had the power in you to look over just the overview doc then it would surprise you to find a doc about binary eyes, but that'd be crazy

[wintry notch]

it whould be crazy

insane even

[coral ibex]

Documentation? Who reads that?

[daring acorn]

Filtered You

[austere sun]

???? this is just harassment, at least dont ping me for it???

[wintry notch]

man, we are going insane if were arguring over this stuff, this arg is realy something else

[coral ibex]

ARG-uring (is that a clue???)

[wintry notch]

it's official, were insane

i imagine we got nothing this stream

and never will

[rigid moon]

damn looks far nicer than sdr++

[daring acorn]

???

wdym

[coral ibex]

Facts

[steel bronze]

MAYBE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WRONG THING ACTUALLY..

[crimson tendon]

You have unlocked new role

[steel bronze]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_sequence

we've been lookin at the golden ratio
but have we looked at the fibonacci sequenece?

i mean we probably did

BUT PERHAPS VEDAL MANUALLY INPUTTED THIS.... TO SUGGES TTHAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT

THE SEQUENCE

INSTEAD OF ANYTHING ELSE

[steel bronze]

no way

wait

@coral ibex re-decode numbers 2's description

this shit has

VALID CHINESE CHARACTERS

ITS EITHER A UNICODE ERROR

OR

YEAH

but anyways im on linux, so i cant view the entirety of the chinese text

for example 輘 is valid but doesnt show up

or 

[narrow turtle]

Isn't that an error due to half of it being blank squares?

[dapper wraith]

it's very easy to get random asian characters from unicode. expecially if you are using utf16

[steel bronze]

well shit

wwas an error on my part

[coral ibex]

bro pings me 😔

[steel bronze]

your the first person i thought of lmao

https://github.com/phonchi/awesome-side-channel-attack

this may be useful?

[daring acorn]

Maybe you have to find the correct browser or something that has all the characters? like the firefox soundcloud thing

[steel bronze]

i was using BIG-5 for decryption of base64

this is 100% aes though

i have no doubts on it

[daring acorn]

Anyways

July 8, 2023

[coral ibex]

[steel bronze]

?

[daring acorn]

Just rambling on

[dapper wraith]

you keep saying that

[daring acorn]

I don't understand?

[dapper wraith]

[daring acorn]

I do not recognize this person

They are mighty handsome though

Do you guys think this has anything to do with the arg? Vedal would have needed permission to use it so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQJgxgSLyQ

[dapper wraith]

sounds like it's just using the same guitar sample to me

[coral ibex]

its apparently a splice sample

[daring acorn]

no, if you listen closely in the Numbers video, you can hear the same ambiance that happens in the first couple of seconds before any instruments come in

[fresh lark]

whats new

[coral ibex]

The arg crew is losing it more than usual

[elder oar]

Probably, I remember seeing it in the docs the other day

I don't think there was anything to find, I dug thru it myself that same day

[warped torrent]

[native maple]

[fresh lark]

soo any new discoveries?

[elder oar]

I'll be inclined to say no

But we are trying out more ideas, could be considered progress I guess?

[fresh lark]

mk

[coral ibex]

what tomatoguy said, we havent really discovered much but we are trying new things in an attempt for getting solutions

im going through a couple of possibilities so if there's anything useful ill report it here

[coral ibex]

i have found something maybe useful

ive overlapped the two parts of study together and noticed when you reverse the polarity of the 2nd part you hear the heartbeat noise for the last song

the "im not like the other girls" song

starts when you hear that muffled breath after the piano solo and ends at the its overdue muffled part

anyone else wanna confirm this to make sure im not hearing things?

[elder oar]

I can't right now. Is there no one else online?

[coral ibex]

idk but considering i can see it in an eq im more likely to believe ive gotten something

i dont think its necessary for me to export it from fl since its just 1:40ish of heartbeat noise + some bass notes but lmk and i can

[elder oar]

Sure, send the file over. I'll take a listen when I get to

[coral ibex]

i boosted the sides since i found that you could hear it a bit better on the sides compared to the mid, only thing is that its pretty low in the freq spectrum so not sure if youll be able to hear it

lemme check rx 10 to see if you can see it on the spectogram

[elder oar]

Ngl, I can't hear it. Could be because of the environment I'm in right now (it's noisy)

[crimson tendon]

@elder oar has leveled up! (2 ➜ 3)

[elder oar]

I'll try again later

[warped torrent]

you're just hearing things

and i'm not even joking

[coral ibex]

wait i think i disabled the wrong eq lemme reexport

lmk if im actually going schizo or not i exported just a bit

ill share the flp if needed azaka i wanna make sure im not losing it

[warped torrent]

you're losing it

[coral ibex]

istg its showing waveforms on fl

but ill admit im probably losing it

[river mantle]

I...I...I....hear the numbers

[coral ibex]

Omg 😔

[warped torrent]

[coral ibex]

I'll listen to it in a couple hours then

[native maple]

[hollow trail]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

[frosty minnow]

If it's any consolation I can hear the heartbeat pretty clear on the right channel in both of those audio files there

[elder oar]

I think I hear it? It's kinda faint

What would the heartbeat noise even resemble? Neuro scared to take her test?

[frosty minnow]

Think it's probably just added to keep the whole anxious vibe I can't imagine it being much of a clue but who know at this point

[elder oar]

I'm wondering if this heartbeat noise is already in the song somewhere, or if it can only be produced from the overlapping frequencies of the song or something

[frosty minnow]

At the end of "I think I saw a ghost" just before the 1st tone shift

[warped torrent]

I still think it's nothing

[elder oar]

If the noise is already present in the song, then it probably doesn't amount to anything

idk tho

[frosty minnow]

Same, just seems like a musical choice rather than anything else

[elder oar]

Huh, can't seem to send images over

The neuro from study at the end of numbers 2 has its eyes blacked out as well

[warped torrent]

https://media.tenor.com/dI_kZ6kE0i8AAAAM/rushia-uruha-rushia.gif

[elder oar]

sorry fam still a new discord user

idk what da hail that is

[daring acorn]

Mcdonalds

[warped torrent]

you need to talk more before you have the privilege

[elder oar]

Ohhhhh

[elder oar]

I just want to point out this

[daring acorn]

I sent the link to numbers 1 original and i think i found Numbers 2

July 8, 2023

[elder oar]

huh?

[daring acorn]

I said

July 8, 2023

or are you tlalking about the other mssage

[elder oar]

both, actually

[daring acorn]

Numbers one is actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQJgxgSLyQ

I think im close to finding Numbers 2

And also

July 8, 2023

[elder oar]

Oh you mean the guitar riff?

[daring acorn]

No, if you listen you can hear the same static

In both, it's louder in the first but quiet in numbers

[elder oar]

Ok sure I guess?

Cool for finding that out

[daring acorn]

The guy who made the song also did something of note about the arg but i forgot what

[elder oar]

Alr, I'm going to bed. I'll figure it out tomorrow

[daring acorn]

Gn frfr

[safe burrow]

How are you arg family?

[hardy burrow]

not bad

very sleepy tho

[gritty blaze]

Old news... Its a sample for the generated music.

[timid swift]

or it just sounds kinda similar, according to shazam

[daring acorn]

hmmmm

[crimson tendon]

You have unlocked new role

[timid swift]

You have unlocked new role

[daring acorn]

wha

You have unlocked new role

[steel bronze]

u got embed perms now

[daring acorn]

Suprisdre

cool

July 8, 2023

[azure oyster]

from what is that image

[native maple]

annys background it's been there for a while

[azure oyster]

i doubt anny has any ARG stuff

[native maple]

no she didn't even know about it

[azure oyster]

exactly

[red brook]

imagine if vedal smuggled ARG clues into Anny's stream

and her thinking it's just some cool neuro-sama images

[azure oyster]

who's the Aiko mentioned in the Asking People For Help doc

and why does the QR code link in that document lead to something which does not contain the text mentioned in the doc

oh wait never mind i didn't skip the ad

still curious about the first question though

[daring acorn]

John

[austere sun]

something something static bs, something something red herring

[daring acorn]

Does anyone know who made her bg?

[azure oyster]

also from where did the binary and caesar code in that doc come

[austere sun]

someone unrelated for sure

[azure oyster]

the "asking people for help" doc

under "discord mods"

[daring acorn]

???? u good dawg i said john?

[austere sun]

yes what about it though

[dapper wraith]

static sama used the same TTS as Aiko (another AI vtuber). but has no official connection to the arg

[azure oyster]

ah

[timid swift]

I think technically Aiko was asked before the staticsama thing, but yes, it's Pladis' AI vtuber.

[dapper wraith]

the stuff in asking other people doc is definitely from people going into pladis stream because static used the same tts

[timid swift]

Ah, maybe it wasn't documented then

[azure oyster]

why is it under the Discord Mods section then

the section talking about rafi and cabbage

[native maple]

it's unrelated anyway

[azure oyster]

this arg documentation is a mess

[native maple]

only real trusted source should still be the youtube channel

[timid swift]

anything that's pointed at by following the on-stream QR code, ye. youtube and soundcloud

[austere sun]

if you're asking what is binary and caesar code, those were posted by mods, and so they are in mods section

[crimson tendon]

@austere sun has leveled up! (9 ➜ 10)

[native maple]

don't even trust vedal or the mods, just the youtube channel and anything that comes from it like the soundcloud

[azure oyster]

why should we not trust vedal

[native maple]

he won't give any hints as he stated

[timid swift]

puppetmasters would never say anything relevant unless it's to stop us misbehaving

[azure oyster]

quoting him like that means you are trusting him

[native maple]

you're going into paradox territory

[azure oyster]

i think that's you

i am merely pointing it out

[native maple]

like the shrodinger cat as long as you don't point it out it's not and is a paradox

[wooden bobcat]

Auby

[hardy burrow]

why did vedal ask neuro sama "are you human"

[finite perch]

https://youtu.be/ueZ2YQx2TOw

[rare glacier]

helo im back from my reaaaaaaallllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy long break

[abstract mural]

A clue?!!!????

[digital radish]

aaa

we have lost

this is too complex for us

hopefully smarter heads come across this in the future

[coral ibex]

dont give up i think we got this

[digital radish]

yes that is an ip, no its not mine

probably from my ISP server

which is public

well if we cant decode it

we put it in a file

execute it

well im gonna delete it for safety

[warped torrent]

[steel bronze]

so...

what is this exactly

[coral ibex]

translation please?

why do you think base64 is a red herring?

ill see what cyberchef does with this string

[austere sun]

damn apparently i missed a juicy ip address

let me tell you, if you get a custom base64 alphabet all of the texts get massive amounts of possible magic numbers, tons of possible files you can get

this is just gimmicks of base64
you aren't even spelling it correctly technically, it's neuro-sama with a hyphen

my guy, putting another string into that and doing the same leads to way more than 26, you are reaching beyond reason, stop

[crimson tendon]

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[austere sun]

i dont even want to understand how are you coming to conclusions you are, but this is clearly not 26

firstly, it's spelled cipher
secondly, you didn't specify which cipher text, and if it requires specifically yours, where you normalized everything to just 26 letters, why are you surprised that it's showing you 26

[steel bronze]

just tell us your conclusion and how you came to it in a non schizo way please

cuz I understand nothin

nada

[dapper wraith]

Did I understand it correctly? You are eliminating everything that's not an uppercase letter and are suprised that you get 26 binary symbols from it?

[wanton jewel]

So... have we made any progress since before Numbers 2?

[coral ibex]

progress

no i dont think we have

[wanton jewel]

is it actually an arg at this point

[coral ibex]

NGL I feel like ur analysis hinges on a big assumption that it isn't a different cipher that we don't have all the pieces too

[warped torrent]

AES would be a stretch
i disagree lol

it's perfectly aligned to times of 16

[daring acorn]

[coral ibex]

take it for the memes

[dire orchid]

[warped torrent]

nero sama

[daring acorn]

alright

i gtg now cya

[nimble kestrel]

Hypothesis, probably wrong, but if you store an AI's memories as an embedded CSV, each line will start with a comma since you have to leave the first collumn blank for the index collumn. Possibly a starting point for the base64 that has each line start with a /, possibly could be an encoded and/or ciphered CSV file with Neuro's memories in it?

[warped torrent]

no

[timid swift]

the randomness via shannon entropy analysis points to the base64 data to be encrypted or compressed (or just plain random junk). with magic byte analysis turning up nothing it's fair to assume that it's encrypted with semantic security (a modern cipher like AES, but not nessesarily AES)

[tawny pasture]

Hello

[red brook]

The base64 only has one line.
There are no linebreaks etc.
People think it has multiple lines because the programs they use to view the base64 string breaks it up at / or + since those are not letters and the programs are usually not primarily designed to display base64. Those two characters are not special in base64. They are just as special as e or N.

Additionally, base64 is not a one-to-one mapping of characters. It kind of maps three (plaintext ascii) characters to four (base64) characters. That means that there are multiple ways to arrive at one specific character and it also means that patterns in the plaintext are not always present in the encoded version.

[austere sun]

look at this table. it tells us absolutely nothing other than the fact that my custom base64 alphabets are bugged.

if anyone has python code for vignere or whatever other encryption i can plug it in and get statistics

also if anyone has any other way to "rating" a string of data other than shannon entropy, that would be welcome

[red brook]

did you consider that entropy behaves kind of weird at lengths over 256?

also, where does that 68.7[...] of custom b64 even come from? how do you calculate it?

[austere sun]

as it says, it's a mean of 1000(0) different strings encrypted with a custom base64 alphabet

[red brook]

a mean of the entropy of those strings?

how can it be greater than 8

that's not possible if your alphabet is 256 symbols

(i.e. if you operate on a per-byte basis)

[austere sun]

here's for only first 256 symbols of the string.
i have no idea why base64 is bugged

[red brook]

wtf lol

what do you use to calculate the entropy

[austere sun]

it's not a problem with the way i calculate entropy, that's for sure
in fact, for individual strings, none of them get over 8, but the mean is somehow bugged for it specifically

[red brook]

a 256 byte long string that only contains unique symbols and repeats of itself*[1]* are the only string that can have a shannon entropy of 8.

*[1] as in
0x00, 0x01, ..., 0xFE, 0xFF
and
0x00, 0x01, ..., 0xFE, 0xFF, 0x00, 0x11, ..., 0xFE, 0xFF
etc.

maybe you accidentally sum up too much during the calculation?

[austere sun]

there

[red brook]

yeah it's a 'lot' lower

relative to the others

[austere sun]

and that's just for 7z, for regular text and jpg file it's even lower
too bad i can't just paste a 3d table smh my head, can't perceive 4th dimension

[red brook]

not sure if it'd be much better (or useful), but...
can you customize the entropy calculation so that it considers two bytes as one token?
that way your alphabet is bigger than the ciphertexts you are trying to analyze, so you don't run into the weirdness at over 256 bytes

oh and I found a paper on pretty much the exact thing you're trying to do