Neuro ARG

[grand wing]

Archived prob as it was never relevant

[crimson tendon]

@grand wing has leveled up! (5 ➜ 6)

[timid swift]

Should we call it archived or closed?

[fast path]

we didn't really solve anything, so yeah archive

[native maple]

yt profile pic too

[timid swift]

it says closed in the overview, i feel like we should name it the same in the two

[fast path]

name closed, in the archived folder

[timid swift]

I'm not sure about that one tho.

the soundcloud references that picture again

[native maple]

it was concluded to be a dead end

[austere sun]

no one also worked on music theory analysis ever since it was created

[frank glacier]

Abaondoned Archived. Corpa

[eternal timber]

Add that to the archive of unfinished attempts for now

[native maple]

music theory is kinda like the numpad theory it's cool but didn't find much

[timid swift]

I feel like we shouldn't close things just to clean up. Closing doors we think aren't the right doors is a quick way to close the right door

[eternal timber]

I def think we could use a bit of cleanup and better organization, might try to do a bit of that too later

[timid swift]

heck, if we close things without progress we might as well just archive all files

[native maple]

if a lot of text can overwhelm people why not clean ?

[eternal timber]

We won't be closing it up, just putting it away for now until it becomes relevent again

[timid swift]

right, but isn't that moving the goal post? We were talking about closing and archiving

[native maple]

we might need to rethink our File structure then, we have files with theory in the title make a theory dir, we have files with [main] why not just make a main dir

[timid swift]

personally i'm fine with all files being whereever. What I want to be organized is the overview page

[native maple]

keep the overview as the readme maybe even rename it readme and organize everything into dirs

[austere sun]

also i think if world.execute(me) is in archived binary eyes should also go to archived instead

[grand wing]

Make the overview and timeline the only things in the top directory and move everything else in the sub dirs "closed", "solved" and "in progress".

[timid swift]

I like this idea

[native maple]

in progress will just be what we currently have tho

but it's better than nothing

[grand wing]

And that's fine, use the overview to navigate

[eternal timber]

I like this too, I think [Main]s should still be in the top dir though imo

[native maple]

we can keep main next to overview yes

and timeline

[eternal timber]

Maybe we should encourage ARG newbies into verifying solutions and checking things for themselves too - for example I'm not sure about binary eyes solution I kinda want to re-check it myself later as soon as I can too lmao

[native maple]

by binary eyes you mean the fun ai one ? wasn't it made on stream ?

[grand wing]

There are enough [main]s for it to be confusing with just those imo

[eternal timber]

Oh not binary eyes but the morse code

Whoops

[native maple]

oh yea

[native maple]

then one dir for each video ?

[eternal timber]

I think arg wide theories shouldn't be a main

[vernal wolf]

damn :hgy

[native maple]

oh yea

didn't know that was a thing

[vernal wolf]

di9d i create it inside the neuro arg docs? i thought didn't

[eternal timber]

Happens to the best of us

[native maple]

in the end all of that restructuring talk don't really matter it's mostly for new people to have a proper path to follow so if one day someone that actually know how to solve ARG like that one show up they can properly sh*t on us

[eternal timber]

Good, I hope they shit on us and share the solution I just want to reach that sweet gnosis of understanding everything

[light arch]

real ARG pro need no structure

[timid swift]

At this point i'm starting to wonder if we need a cryptographer not an ARGer

[eternal timber]

At this point I wonder if we need a therapist and I don't want to be an engineer

[grand wing]

I doubt that

[timid swift]

The doubt grows thinner and thinner in me for each day lol

[atomic plinth]

I cant believe we dont got enough nerds to solve an ARG

the swarm must expand to get more processing power

[austere sun]

we don't need a cryptographer, we need someone who can open things in firefox because apparently this is our current biggest obstacle

[native maple]

surely we can use firefox

[eternal timber]

You mean [Open] things in Firefox?

[timid swift]

that's gonna be even harder to find tho. A professional firefoxer??

[vernal wolf]

just ask chatgpt

[coral ibex]

we need to "open" things in FireFox and i still dont understand what that means

also im still working on the static thing its taking my computer forever 😔

[timid swift]

i mean there's still the literal interpretation of opening the soundcloud in firefox to get the full description on screen

[timid swift]

the xor thing?

[native maple]

there is some stuff about it in thedoc

[coral ibex]

havent we documented that alr?

[coral ibex]

yeah

or just overlaying everything

[timid swift]

of course. Just saying that if there's no other explanation, maybe it really just is the obvious one lel

[coral ibex]

oh yeah

[eternal timber]

The "open" is such a mixed signal because originally it weren't there, then it was edited Open->[Open]->"Open". So you could argue it's both significant and an insignificant oversight

[timid swift]

puppet master messing with us lol

[eternal timber]

It's working lmao

[coral ibex]

puppet master like: why cant you guys get it already its so simple

[timid swift]

it's probably just one of those random words as a password to a common encryption scheme with the description texts as cipher texts but we're all too dense to exhaustively search all key-algorithm-ciphertext combinations

[native maple]

if it was useless surely they would just edit it again and remove the quotes

[timid swift]

it's starting to feel like a LOTR " 'friend' in dwarfish" type of riddle

[drowsy pewter]

Didn't read this chat for 5 days or something like that.. did anything interesting happen?

Understandable, have a nice day

[timid swift]

it's on the timeline :p

[eternal timber]

Ngl I agree it's either that or some fibonnaci encryption thingy by manipulating the code of each character. Or something we're unaware of yet which will be cleared by a future clue

That's part of why I made the Key Phrase repository file... alas it hasn't yielded results yet

[timid swift]

what's most striking to me is the high Shannon enthropy of both yt descriptions. Indicates that it's a serious encryption algorithm, not just "lul, i made a encrypsion"

[eternal timber]

Apparently Fibonnaci can go to negatives too which is pretty cool

True actually

[vernal wolf]

What if there is nothing really to decrypting and vedal is just make us lose time

[coral ibex]

I would say that because we have found something, we know a likely chance there's more

Then again I've spent a lot of time on this

for the fibonacci thing, what if its instead of getting to f(2) its f(1)? since in coding a lot of stuff starts counting with the zero-th element and increments from there

[fast path]

I thought we skipped 0+1 because of "Start with number 2" or if not that, the lyrics in Numbers 2 are "1+1" and "1+2"

but maybe we do include 0+1?

[steady fossil]

That's honestly the problem with the ARG right now, the solution space is too big and there's no way to figure out when we're on the right path. Usually an ARG has a couple of easier puzzles that you learn some of the basic mechanics from that are used to solve the larger puzzles.

[cosmic grail]

:schizo:

[gritty blaze]

Question, does Vedal using apple devices or Windows?

[steady fossil]

For example, there would be an encryption puzzle with a key that's easy to derive, but would require us to figure out the encryption scheme. But perhaps that's the point of Numbers 2.

[coral ibex]

based off recent dev stream i think windows

[hollow garnet]

he uses w11

[eternal timber]

There were some things like;

Soundcloud account number in Numbers 1
Malbolge Code in Study
Some hints in video frames
But it's varied and we still lack the tools on how to solve some of the current things we're stuck on. Maybe we're supposed to be stuck on that tho for the time being (unless we get a breakthrough)

[steady fossil]

Soundcloud account number in Numbers 1
Do we know if that account was actually created at the time of Numbers 1 and not just created for 2?

[eternal timber]

There isn't a documented account creation date so tbh, no clue

[dapper wraith]

SC creation date is in the docs

[crimson tendon]

@light arch has leveled up! (5 ➜ 6)

[light arch]

ReallyGunPull Tatsu

[eternal timber]

Ooooo understandable, I stand corrected. I remember looking it up in the Discord and not seeing it mentioned so wasn't sure

[steady fossil]

Ok, so the account was around then. But we don't know if it actually contained anything before, because the discription clearly refers to Numbers 2

[eternal timber]

So... if the soundcloud name is _, and the account name is 572943, does 572943 mean Neuro-Sama?

[restive wagon]

Hello fellas, how today's schizo episodes

[coral ibex]

Plot twist Neuro made the arg

[steady fossil]

I mean I'm pretty sure she generated the lyrics

[restive wagon]

So for numbers 2 after watching it, assuming everything's already been mentions 5 times already by other peeps so apologies, but the last line of the lyrics involving syllabuls makes me wonder if thats like, super important to everything in the numbers 2 bideo

[eternal timber]

(By the way, I did a quick schizo-check; _neurosama isn't taken on soundcloud as of today so this number sequence was used on-purpose)

[eternal timber]

I so much agree with you and I've been going schizo over syllables myself ngl

#1112082183235047506 message

[restive wagon]

Could it be, rather then taking all the numbers literally as said, take every sequence of the numbers and how many syllables they are each?

[eternal timber]

Numbers always contain 4 syllables which makes sense because it's a song but at the same time... weird if it's a generated number

[restive wagon]

O

4

Hmmm

[eternal timber]

There's also 4 sets of normal and inverted neuros and 4 times that the fibbonachi is flashed in numbers 1

Ok enough schizo for today I'll go sleep and let ya'll solve this dreaming about syllables

[restive wagon]

Well, she says in the start of the song to fill the void, maybe in the gaps in the song we can add specific numbers into it, and we know the syllables have to equal 4

[gritty blaze]

About the eye flitter: I don't see it in the documet, and don't know if it'll be useful. BUT I have a strong feeling that when Neuro eyes were closed they still turned into void-black, we just can't see it because, well her eyes are closed. I'm checking the frames per second and it seems possible.

[coral ibex]

idk how long its been but ive been staring at static for a while now and i think im seeing things in the static

[gritty blaze]

We all...

I'll try tomorrow to see again if there is anything.

[light arch]

btw, has anyone heard of Mili before? i've actually never heard of them before i had to listen countless times to neuro's cover of world.execute(me), and now i started looking into older their albums and i kinda like them, there is even song about turtles

[gritty blaze]

Yes, I knew them long before.

[grand wing]

Yup, Mili is great

[stark isle]

Mili made some great songs for Library of Ruina

[crimson tendon]

@stark isle has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)

[light arch]

I was thinking about custom alphabets thing recently, and I wrote a thing that generates random alphabets and remembers positions of characters on each successful decoding attempt. I got some statistics after small iteration count and I can see some sort of pattern, but there are couple of things I'm still unsure about, idk if I should keep working on it (and i don't really know how to put statistics on practice)

[coral ibex]

what language is it in

[light arch]

is in python and it's quite slow (as im not really experienced in programming)

[coral ibex]

send over ur code i could see if i can rewrite it in c ( im not too good in c)
if i cant do in c then i can do java/python since i know those more

[light arch]

uhh how do i send it

is too long

i can put it on drive

[fast path]

just upload the text as file

[light arch]

oh that "description" thing is just file with strings

alright I bedge time

[austere sun]

would i be a horrible person for pinging someone about their code being terrible right after they went to bed, or simply mildly appalling

[coral ibex]

they mentioned their code is terrible

well

that its slow*

[austere sun]

but do i ping them about it, critising it, is the question

[coral ibex]

eh

ur choice

i was gonna try to turn it into c/java seeing if i can optimize it

well that is if i can understand the code first

but u can go ahead if u wanna

[austere sun]

these names are terrific and the code is severly lacking in comments to justify this awfulness
instead of going through the gymnastics to generate a custom charset you can just do

random.shuffle(generated_charset)
generated_charset = ''.join(generated_charset)```
it makes more sense to iterate outside of functions and create another function for translation
also i think you're translating incorrectly, generated_charset should be first in str.maketrans(), after all you're trying to translate from encrypted into decrypted, not decrypted into encrypted.
you can shorten `s = str(data,"UTF-8")` to just `data = base64.b64decode(t).decode()`
what is even the point of all these buffers and what is the point of the buffer in this function specifically if you're adding result with a buffer in push_chunks() anyway
i assume handle_array() is for telemetry, in which case iterating through the entire alphabet first and every position seems like a horrible way to find positions of max and min, just use .index() or something, i am not even sure what you are trying to get here
what even is `slice_count = 211`
instead of int() you can just use // for whole number division. 
same in the while loop which in the first place seems to be easily substituted by a more efficient for loop, the whole code looks like it's allergic to them
then you are calling random_permutation() twice, first time into the void, which is just an ![Erm](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1096558880496029706.webp?size=128 "Erm") moment

[spiral silo]

Oy

I'm an audio engineer, I hear a lot of things

[river mantle]

I'm schizo and I hear a lot of things too

[burnt glacier]

I am a person with ears and I hear a lot of things as well

[amber aspen]

one of my ears is injured so i hear half of the things i hear

[timid swift]

I don't want to be an audio engineer, but i hear things too ||actually that's a lie, i'd like to be an audio engineer||

[coral ibex]

Listen to bogosort

[timid swift]

you say that as if i'm not doing it this very moment

[coral ibex]

Are you?

[timid swift]

no~

[coral ibex]

You should

It's amazing

https://youtu.be/TPH_x9G7K8w

I bet we could get a sorted BOGOsort before finishing the arg lol

Although there is a universe where bogosort is solved in 0 seconds

[timid swift]

There's a universe where I'm capable of writing a coherent sentence without editing my messages seven times, yet here we are.

[digital radish]

oh god

that code is

terrific

[coral ibex]

Bogosort is like my ideas for this arg

[coral ibex]

U got this!!

[timid swift]

terrific is the wrong word by the way lel

[coral ibex]

Bro u got autocorrected

[timid swift]

ye, totally not quoting

[coral ibex]

Lol

[digital radish]

i disabled my autocorrect 7 years ago

thats a lie

but i never used it

i think

[coral ibex]

Nice

[timid swift]

Who needs autocorrect when you got an actual, real, non-virtual keyboard.

[coral ibex]

Me when I misspelled a word and didn't notice it until a couple words after

That's when I'd need autocorrect

[timid swift]

So anyway, if we were to start trying different keys on different cipher texts on different algorithms, we still need a list of algorithms to try. For the description texts the entrophy suggests modern ciphers, so no vienere etc. What are the possible ciphers it could be then?
This https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric-key_algorithm#Implementations and this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography#Examples ? Or anything else?

[coral ibex]

Imagine we got a cipher that's asymmetrical

I would quit

But yeah I think these are good ideas

[timid swift]

It wouldn't be terrible, so long as we get the private key somehow

[coral ibex]

Maybe we could also look into the node js library for cryptography?

It's a long shot but I saw a fireship video about it and might be related since we have something that's node.js

This video of what I'm referencing

https://youtu.be/NuyzuNBFWxQ

[timid swift]

yes, that's another avenue we haven't explored much. What exactly is in that SMS library.

[coral ibex]

Obv it's a stretch for what I'm saying but we haven't explored a lot on the node js side

[coral ibex]

I think it's just a message service for businesses

From what I remember looking at like a couple days ago

[timid swift]

yes, it's a long shot for sure

[coral ibex]

Alr who's making the message media account lmao

[timid swift]

I was going to from the start, but you need a phone number from one of a short list of countries

[dapper wraith]

instead of int() you can just use // for whole number division.
Damn I've written a bunch of python code the past years (although it's not my main language) and I never knew this was a thing

[crimson tendon]

@dapper wraith has leveled up! (4 ➜ 5)

[timid swift]

python is full of syntax tricks like that

[eternal timber]

I had the funky idea of - "what if the number sequence is about the syllables? what if two syllable numbers represent 1 in binary and one syllable numbers represent 0?" Put it into a binary to text converter and got @A. I don't know what I was expecting but figured I'd share the schizo with you

[native maple]

funny youtube comment under Numbers II

Tequila

[eternal timber]

Soundcloud rapper behind this confirmed

[native maple]

can't believe someone downplaying that beautiful performance of tequila

[river mantle]

well, it's doesn't mean vedal have to do everything on his own. maybe someone help him do ARG behind the scene too

[eternal timber]

Also - just because someone can't sing doesn't mean they can't compose

[native maple]

making song shouldn't be that hard he tweak all the karaoke covers for neuro no ?

[gritty trail]

The engineering volume of this ARG is too large, maybe someone and Vedal worked on it together？

[native maple]

clearly neuro helped

[timid swift]

"it isn't a song a person with musical talent would sing" jesus christ lmao

[dire orchid]

this random yt commenter is so clueless

[native maple]

total disrespect for the artist who made this popular song

[gritty trail]

I think this song is done quite well, except for the out of tune saxophone

[timid swift]

this is where I just let the untuned brass instruments play out their own pun

[wooden bobcat]

Dead chat?

[river mantle]

ded me

[warped torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-v2-v2ultrakill-dead-chat-dead-chat-xd-gif-26254974

[west plinth]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n3nEfer7vQcE4yIQAQyoBiWsi3r7f5mfgwmEUNXZ3AI/edit# for the mask attack, was it done for all interpretations, or just the leading one?

[timid swift]

the way it was written it looks like all 5 hashes were tried with all 5 masks. But I don't know, and also verifying might not be a terrible idea

[crimson tendon]

@timid swift has leveled up! (31 ➜ 32)

[timid swift]

Honestly we should pick more at that destination-field value

[west plinth]

https://youtu.be/m543hkciL0U maybe it's a reference to this? then maybe we should try chilean phone numbers

[timid swift]

At this point i'm ok with trying every possible phone number format

chilian does sound like a place to start tho

another clue could be that the sms-library only allows phone numbers of certain countries. You can see it if you try to sign up to the service

another thing to take into account is that some phone number have (parentheses) though I don't really understand what that means

[river mantle]

so static real name is carmen then

[west plinth]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n3nEfer7vQcE4yIQAQyoBiWsi3r7f5mfgwmEUNXZ3AI/edit# sorry how was this converted to hex? i get something else

oh i see, base64 to hex

[gritty blaze]

The custom alphabet should follow the same rules as the standard. I tested it and no matter which alphabet I tried it's always the same rule. So if your calculations don't have the same patterns as in the standard alphabet, it can't be a custom alphabet. It's hard to see in a big code but much easier in a small one. If you think there are only numbers in the code and in a standard alphabet all numbers that come first in a group always start with one of 3 letters, which means it will be the same in a custom alphabet just other letters. If it's not the case it's not a custom alphabet or not only numbers. I think to find a possible custom alphabet, you first need to check which combinations of words are the most used in English and see if there are similar patterns.

[west plinth]

ran these hashes

0d0e739788a0856c226a0ef2f9c58542
0d0e739788a0856c256a0ef2f9c58542
0d0e739788a0856c356a0ef2f9c58542
0d0e739788a0856c226a0ef2f9e58542
0d0e739788a0856c256a0ef2f9e58542
0d0e739788a0856c356a0ef2f9e58542
0d0e73d788a0856c226a0ef2f9c58542
0d0e73d788a0856c256a0ef2f9c58542
0d0e73d788a0856c356a0ef2f9c58542
0d0e73d788a0856c226a0ef2f9e58542
0d0e73d788a0856c256a0ef2f9e58542
0d0e73d788a0856c356a0ef2f9e58542```

with this mask

+56?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d
+44?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d
+1?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d
+81?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d
+81?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d
+81?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d?d```

on hashcat on md5 and md4 and got no results

please verify since this is the first time I'm doing this

[west plinth]

the last 6 hashes are obtained by using DQ5z1 instead of DQ5zl

[west plinth]

the +56 mask is for chilean phone numbers

[blissful crow]

Whats the british phone number thinfy

+44

[gritty blaze]

I highly doubt it is a phone number. Imagine you find a phone number and 1000 people send the message "help me" and it's not the actual number or not a number at all. Vedal will be on the news in no time and maybe even will need to go to court against the person with the number we have found. I don't think Vedal is stupid to do something like this.

[west plinth]

it could be a phone number vedal owns

[gritty blaze]

Ok, and if we mistaken?

Do you know how much people around the world will send a message to that number?

[west plinth]

the chances of some other random phone number giving a hash collision, even from the wrong hashing algorithm is astronomically low

also, max fosh also incorporated a phone number in his ARG, and that was for a 100k reward, so I don't think it's unlikely

[gritty blaze]

Neuro audience full of people from all ages, including children.

[west plinth]

so is max fosh's audience

[eternal timber]

Shoutout to all the children helping solve this arg rn

imo it could be anything - ARGs have had phone numbers in the past after all - but we'd need solid evidence that the data is correct before sending a message or a call to anybody...

[gritty blaze]

Maybe UK citizens something else idk... In my country something similar happened to a citizen (received tons of sms) and he sued for 300000 dollar and won lol

[river mantle]

now it's time to sacrifice children to the ARG god in exchange of the decrypt key

[eternal timber]

I don't doubt that for a second lmao - yeah if someone's phone gets spammed they can sue, but we won't do that... right?

[gritty blaze]

I will do sure, free money.

[eternal timber]

I mean we won't spam people D:

Hopefully

I mean the server denizens have been civil as far as I know when it comes to not pestering people for clues

[river mantle]

today is still the same qr btw

[native maple]

if we get an actual number it would be nice to just reverse engineer () and see if it fits the puzzle before even testing it

[west plinth]

also perhaps try spookyhash, because it's spooky

[rain fjord]

key hole wallpaper

[native maple]

"add add hello" it's a clue

[rotund willow]

[harsh vessel]

Just a dumb random thought but…

Can an AI be an engineer?

[timid swift]

probably in 10 years yes

[harsh vessel]

Maybe another 3 more years might not be a waste lol

Just a random thought came in mind about “do androids dream of electric sheep?”

[timid swift]

This is the title of something

[fiery sparrow]

[obtuse basalt]

Vedal is the clue

[fiery sparrow]

Vedal is the clone!

[rotund willow]

THE CLUE IS REAL

[dusky pivot]

THE CLUE IS REAL

[fiery sparrow]

The real Vedal is gone.

[rotund willow]

https://tenor.com/view/nowaying-gif-27443953

[fiery sparrow]

[timber whale]

WRITE THAT DOWN

[timid swift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1113799695718957137/neuro-sama-blinking.gif

[split zenith]

we all missed it

it was vedal all along

[coral ibex]

We could try looking into HMAC as the nodejs library mentions it uses either http auth or hmac for request authentication

[steady fable]

can't wait to see a YouTube video about this arg with the crazy editing and an odd background music after its solved

[timid swift]

Can't wait to see myself described as an obsessive bookkeeper lel

[steady fable]

is that a bad thing?

[crimson tendon]

@steady fable has leveled up! (39 ➜ 40)

[timid swift]

Who even knows at this point

[steady fable]

oh well on the bright side at least you could keep track of things unlike some people

[timid swift]

But in the end we're still stuck

[steady fable]

zamn

[native maple]

the loremaster bread

[tawny pasture]

I'm a very early member of the ARG team who discovered a couple things

Beyond that, I don't have much

[native maple]

Me i just counted days thats it

[timid swift]

man, imagine being able to count tho

[native maple]

we still not sure if it's 130 or 129

[eternal timber]

I just counted syllables... what do they mean?

[tawny pasture]

I'm no good at these sorts of ciphers, so I'm just moral support, at this point

[steady fable]

I would love to take part in this arg, but i lack the brain cells to piece things together

and mostly I'm quite lazy

[coral ibex]

do you wanna look at 740ish frames of static to see if theres a pattern

[native maple]

wait we have "add the numbers 2 4" but we also had "make the 2 a 3 yeah" did we ever try adding 3 4 then ?

[timid swift]

Donno, is it in the docs?

also, how do we verify that it's the right number?

if we knew the verification method i'd just write a program to combine all the interpretations we've come up with and spit out a list of numbers

[coral ibex]

i feel like the instructions would be single use (like we only do it once) but then again we can try it if anything else

[native maple]

well all brute force attemp were done with 17...24 range and never gave anything so the real range might have been 17...34

[native maple]

yea tbh it's quite a reach to think this 2 as to be changed into a 3 but idk

[coral ibex]

its worth a shot tho

ideally we should try everything we think of, as something might lead to an answer

[steady fable]

i'll do it if I have nothing to do, but I'll have to do it while running smth in the background like a horror stream gameplay, so it would satisfy my ADHD

[coral ibex]

i tried overlaying all the frames in krita and my pc didnt like it (it froze for quite some time)

ill put them in the drive folder?

[steady fable]

dear lord I wonder if my laptop could handle that, yea no it should

but why krita tho?

[coral ibex]

i dont think i have a good pc but still it probably was a mistake to load all pictures at one

uhh

ive been using krita for other stuff and im a bit more used to it

[steady fable]

Hmmge

[coral ibex]

i prob shouldve used gimp or something

[steady fable]

ahh makes sense, ig stick what you're used to, ain't that bad

[steady fable]

or something new, also not bad tho it takes time to get used to

but whatever works to help you

like how convenient it is for you to use :

[calm parrot]

I’ve been sick the past few days, so i haven’t been able to follow ARG progress for a while, but I presume we’re hard-stuck right now?

[gritty blaze]

Yea

[gritty blaze]

No progress have been made since study.

[coral ibex]

progress

[vapid token]

Numbers

[steel bronze]

what have we been stuck on?

[coral ibex]

everything?

[vapid token]

Numbers?

[coral ibex]

well mostly everything besides the stuff we have solved

[steel bronze]

numbers then

hmm

[vapid token]

Numbers Study Numbers

[coral ibex]

we got numbers, the sequel to numbers - numbers ii, and some of the code present in study

and the soundcloud

[vapid token]

i want Study II

[coral ibex]

i want to know the decryption

its gonna take forever for that tho

[vapid token]

[steel bronze]

ok i think i mightve gone schizo from reading all of this

but

what if we do the instructions

on the 572943 number

though currently im just looking at numbers 1

i should look at 2 too

@timid swift hey, idea: why dont you try downloading the image and seeing if there is any extra data inside the image..?

[daring acorn]

am i the only one who noticed that Neuro blueprint in anny stream? it has some kind of character on it

[steel bronze]

show

[daring acorn]

where

where do i post

doc?

[steel bronze]

idk lol

here i guess

[daring acorn]

i cant

[steel bronze]

oh.

[daring acorn]

no perms

[steel bronze]

we dont have image perms

[daring acorn]

ill dm it to you?

[digital radish]

same

i dont wanna be in any video

[coral ibex]

which image

[digital radish]

blur me out of everything

[tawny pasture]

To be honest, I think it would be cool for me to be in a video

But hey, I can understand that

[steel bronze]

the youtube profile picture

[digital radish]

i hate being on videos

[coral ibex]

to whoever is making the video in the future i wanna be added in the screenshot

[digital radish]

i dont want

put black bars on me

[coral ibex]

lol

[coral ibex]

i think we have already checked that?

[digital radish]

yep

soundcloud one too

everything we can think of we tried it out

we're waiting on the 4th video

for the clues on how to decode stuff

she studied already

there must mean theres an exam

[coral ibex]

what if she passed the exam instead of failing and now theres no more clues lol

[digital radish]

she dies

[coral ibex]

wait idk if that makes sense lorewise

[steel bronze]

ok let me propose an insane idea

neuro-sama died due to studying and the neuro we have now is a recreation of the old one

[coral ibex]

better idea, vedal is the new neuro ai

also im assuming people have noticed the clock noise throughout study?

[steel bronze]

schizo moment?

i havent noticed that

[gritty blaze]

We need to get something with 16 characters I guess

[steel bronze]

proposal: we've been doing it all wrong?

[coral ibex]

It's there in the spectrogram

[steel bronze]

i dont know if we should start with numbers 2

oh

[coral ibex]

I'm not schizoing this

[steel bronze]

but either way

pretty sure numbers 2 isnt our starting point

[daring acorn]

i put all vids through spectro and found nothing

[steel bronze]

since if so that'd mean the arg couldnt physically begin unless we waited until after the shylily collab

[coral ibex]

We don't really know where to start imo

[tawny crystal]

I've been listening to study for days now and I haven't noticed any clock noise.

[coral ibex]

oh wait is that the snare

i think its the snare

[gritty blaze]

There must to be something in the noise of study after the ghost part or Vedal just trolling us for fun...

[daring acorn]

What?

[daring acorn]

Already tried, i thought i saw letters but idk i think i was schizo

[crimson tendon]

@daring acorn has leveled up! (4 ➜ 5)

[daring acorn]

shuysh

[gritty blaze]

It's not the sound 100%

only the visuals

[coral ibex]

can someone else confirm in the beginning around ~40 seconds theres a clock type noise or that im going schizo?

[gritty blaze]

second

[daring acorn]

What vid?

[coral ibex]

its study

around the like 1.5k to 3k range

ill just say imgoing schizo

[gritty blaze]

its piano

[daring acorn]

Nah no clock

[steel bronze]

its piano??

[coral ibex]

ig im gonna go take a break

[gritty blaze]

wait

[coral ibex]

ive clearly lost it

[gritty blaze]

you are right

I hear it

old clock sounds

[daring acorn]

Wait what?

am i deaf?

[gritty blaze]

this clicking sound of old clock

[steel bronze]

we're losing it

lmao

[coral ibex]

[daring acorn]

Can someone confirm or deny my theory from earlier?

[gritty blaze]

lol

[daring acorn]

I made a discussion but idk if you guys can see it or not

[steel bronze]

pretty sure "adding" another 9 means quite literally adding a 9 to whatever number

or well

x + 9

could be 2 + 9?

or

it could mean

adding 9 at the end

[daring acorn]

I don't think so, it says "another" implying that one was already added. Which wouldn't make sense considering it's the first time

[gritty blaze]

We have strong guess that the key is numbers

video named numbers

number in lyrics

numbers in study

[steel bronze]

true

[gritty blaze]

it's probably 16 numbers

[steel bronze]

idea

what if the numbers 2 video is meant to give us hints on how to solve numbers 1?

or maybe we reached a point or triggered something to release the numbers 1 video?

[gritty blaze]

probably but we didnt get what the hint is

"Start with number 2
Matching all the letters - which letters... abcdefg or lyrics or something else.
572943"

I think people tried almost everything already

you have full document in the drive

[steel bronze]

ok

idea for the

JS stuff

ok wait let me

research things

@gritty blaze ok i figured out something, the js code in the study program uses an api which specifically helps with interacting with phone numbers allowing you to send SMS, etc.
this specific snippet seems to be sending SMS to DQ5zl4ighWwiag7y+cWFQg== with the content of "save me..."

perhaps we need to figure out what "DQ5zl4ighWwiag7y+cWFQg==" is and then use said code in an actual js program to trigger some sort of new thing to happen?

[gritty blaze]

Yea, we figured it out in the first day of the ARG.

[coral ibex]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n3nEfer7vQcE4yIQAQyoBiWsi3r7f5mfgwmEUNXZ3AI/edit

[steel bronze]

yeah i looked at it

didnt scroll down the other part though

oops

[coral ibex]

either way i agree with ur thinking that our closest idea atm is that phone number simply because we have a cleartext and encoded ciphertext for that

only problem is we dont really know a cleartext phone number for the encoded one

[steel bronze]

where is the cleartext? kinda didnt understand what was being said in the document at the last part

[gritty blaze]

If it's indeed a phone number it can be a key to the other codes, and if that's the case it must be 16 digits including the +

[coral ibex]

basically people have tried taking the hash from the base64 and comparing it against the functions you see at the bottom to see if it matches

the ones we have tried are the uk, us, and japan, but for the functions we have tried, nothing was successful

[gritty blaze]

if it's a number it probably a prepaid number of UK

[coral ibex]

of course, it could be some encrypted custom alphabet in base64 but we dont really know what exactly the encoding is atm; all we know is that we need to have a + in the beginning as stated by the nodejs messagemedia documentation

[languid flax]

SCHIZO?

[steel bronze]

it could just not have an + and we have to add it on our own?

but either way all of these base64 messages seem to be encrypted with something, that is what we're stuck on

@coral ibex @gritty blaze it just occurred to me. what if the base64 is in another language.

https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/86406/what-encoding-could-this-be-looks-similar-to-base64

[steady fossil]

That question is about something that's not exactly base64 but could still be

Whereas for us it already has everything to be considered base64

[steel bronze]

not exactly base64 but looks the same is the thing

[steady fossil]

But it already is exactly base64

what you're proposing is that that's a red herring and that is should be something other than base64

[coral ibex]

we still dont really have a clue what language to change it into is the problem

[steel bronze]

yeah

personally what confused me is the fact that there is a completely null character

[steady fossil]

where?

[steel bronze]

in some of the ciphers

[steel bronze]

this base64 cipher

ok im

stupid

ill go do something wlse since its late and im le tire

[steady fossil]

btw, I haven't seen anyone analyze the entropy for DQ5zl4ighWwiag7y+cWFQg== yet, and what's interesting is that it falls within the range for english text

Now since this is only 16-bytes, I don't think we can fully trust this analysis, but it does give some credit to the idea that this base64 string is not encrypted

[steel bronze]

oh then im not that stupid

[steady fossil]

And it could be either a key itself or something encoded with an xor or substitution cipher

[crimson tendon]

@steady fossil has leveled up! (5 ➜ 6)

[daring acorn]

My Disc isnt being verified so ill just ask here, does anyone know if this means anything?

https://imgur.com/a/P4Mbdhn

Also Vedal's wallpaper is a Keyhole.. sus

[drowsy pewter]

Nothing special there.. neuro, small unreadable text, arm angle and generic neural network scheme in the top right

[drowsy pewter]

Even if it's a clue.. it would suggest that we need a key to decrypt message but we already know that so nothing new.
But I don't think it means something.. it's just a nice looking wallpaper

[daring acorn]

Alright thanks, just wanted to stop schizoing

Oh yeah, anyone know of a reason vedal manually archived dev stream?

[gritty blaze]

DfhFvCnFxQ8d3eBPS8bEmA==

Encrypted random number uk

Same length

[drowsy pewter]

TL;DR
The original music from his streams is always replaced by more generic one on the twitch vods for dmca reasons.
That's why he uploaded vod with original music on YT (vod on the twitch has different music).

Another thing is.. vods on the Twitch aren't timeless.. they will disappear after some time

[daring acorn]

what is this? why does neuro have blocks? it cant be with brightness because the black background does not change? https://imgur.com/a/Is5GwxU

im tripping i need sleep gn yall

[steel bronze]

might be schizo but both start with a capital D

what about encrypted random number in the us

or japan

[river mantle]

wait... static thread gone. what happened

[tawny crystal]

Has anyone tried to input the numbers that were solved into steamdb? If there's a soundcloud account then it wouldn't be too farfetched to assume that other accounts are made, like a steam account, maybe some of the numbers are steamids.

[coral ibex]

It's finished I think

[kind pagoda]

Engineer

[river mantle]

so static is the red herring all along

[dire orchid]

shocking, i know

[white ingot]

even if she is. The study music is still a bop

[safe burrow]

what

[gritty blaze]

It's my encryption to check something.

[hollow trail]

No more engineer funny.

[safe burrow]

Why does it sound like I'm dead

[river mantle]

[manic dagger]

[dire orchid]

[coral ibex]

so you can get a dedicated phone number on that messagemedia app

https://messagemedia.com/us/feature/dedicated-virtual-numbers/

we could be completely wrong on what country the phone number is if this was used

[lethal sun]

What number was it? and is this base64?

[coral ibex]

i would prob say its either base64 with a custom alphabet or some symmetric encryption

i would think symmetric encryption is our best bet so far but we dont know for sure

[west plinth]

tried the extra countries there (au, nz), didn't crack it

I think we should consider other hash algorithms or salts

@coral ibex in the number thread library doc, you added two equations to get xyz, but it should be xy + z?

[coral ibex]

oh really?

it was a bit late when i was writing that down so i probably messed up a couple of things

i should go back to that although i personally think its an encryption rather than a linear equation

ngl i have a feeling the binary from numbers two might be a form of XOR cipher

ill see if i can figure it out within an hour but if anyone else wants to try feel free to go ahead

[west plinth]

also I feel like in the last equation, it should be 906x^2y^2 rather than 906xy because there are two normal and two inverted neuros

[coral ibex]

yeah looking back at it again i messed up a couple places

its been a while since ive mathed

[west plinth]

but either way i have put this into sage

solve([
    201*x+1321*x*y+5831*(y^2)*x == x*y,
    723*x + 743*x*y + 4913*(y^2)*x == x*y,
    -879*x - 875*x*y - 2145*(y^2)*x == -x*y,
    716*x + 906*(x^2)*(y^2) + 4156*(y^2)*x == z
], x, y, z)```

and got no solutions

[coral ibex]

yeah i put whatever i had when i tried it into wolfram alpha and it didnt give me a real solution

only complex numbers

[timid swift]

Why are you pinging me? lmao. And what image?

[west plinth]

pretty sure sage works over complex numbers by default, so there are no complex solutions as well

[crimson tendon]

@west plinth has leveled up! (11 ➜ 12)

[coral ibex]

it was the yt pfp

[timid swift]

still doesn't explain why me lmao. But yeah, I guess I just assumed that the metadata would've been scrubbed when uploaded to social media sites and the like

[coral ibex]

doesnt seem like anything unusual

opened the image in notepad and it has jfif in the beginning, which is still jpeg

which ig matches from the exiftool

[timid swift]

Ye, i didn't expect anything, none the less it's important to ensure we aren't missing anything

[coral ibex]

do we need to post the contents of the pfp when opened from notepad?

[west plinth]

if we assume the upside down neuros represent multiplicative inverse then with

solve([
    201*x+1321*x*y+5831*(y^2)*x == x*y,
    723*x + 743*x*y + 4913*(y^2)*x == x*y,
    879*(x^(-1)) + 875*(x^(-1))*(y^(-1)) + 2145*(y^(-2))*(x^(-1)) == x^(-1)*y^(-1),
    716*x + 906*(x^2)*(y^2) + 4156*(y^2)*x == z
], x, y, z)```

we have

[[x == 0, y == 1/879*I*sqrt(1694486) - 437/879, z == 0], [x == 0, y == -1/879*I*sqrt(1694486) - 437/879, z == 0]]

but i don't think this means anything because the last equation probably isn't meant to equal z

[coral ibex]

maybe the last equation is just set to zero?

there was nothing there for that last frame

[timid swift]

Unless you see something interesting I would say not. There are more interesting ways to inspect the raw data, like with a hex editor

[coral ibex]

gotcha

[west plinth]

then we have [[x == 0, y == -1/879*I*sqrt(1694486) - 437/879], [x == 0, y == 1/879*I*sqrt(1694486) - 437/879]]

[coral ibex]

yeah i dont think this is the right solution imo

[west plinth]

assuming the empty last frame is the void that is meant to be filled, then it hints to it equalling 5

but that has no solutions

[timid swift]

Probably not, but neither are our other schizo solutions. It's all about trying the divergent now. We have tried the obvious exhaustively, i believe

[coral ibex]

also found this for windows users https://www.kahusecurity.com/tools.html seems like some of this could be helpful?

[timid swift]

Alright, as expected no obvious hidden files or metadata in the youtube or soundcloud profile pictures. But now we've got it document.

[coral ibex]

nice

[native maple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH65IHVT64U

some channel that does lyrics made lyrics for the songs

[coral ibex]

they have 6 videos

[native maple]

yea they just make lyrics

[timid swift]

Kaz

Some channel
lol

[coral ibex]

oh

[dire orchid]

[calm veldt]

Yeah this Kaz dude is a total nobody

[native maple]

[digital radish]

man

no progress at all

what are we missing

not even the first string we can decode

ill spend my day coding something to try everything

well its not needed

cyberchef exists

[coral ibex]

I was thinking maybe the binary in numbers ii is some form of xor cipher

[digital radish]

we already tried xor

we tried base64

we tried AES

anything you come up with we already tried

[coral ibex]

Alphabet cipher for numbers?

[digital radish]

either its something we'll need for a later puzzle orsomething is going over our head

[digital radish]

already tried

[coral ibex]

Nice

I wonder if there even is enough information to solve something atm

[austere sun]

technically we haven't "tried" aes, it's impossible to try all 2^128 or more keys

[digital radish]

exactly

[austere sun]

this "low" entropy is purely due to low size of the data, it is very much encrypted

[digital radish]

then how do we decode it with base64

what can we do to decompress that string

how do we know if it holds trash or not

what if 80% of the string is trash

whats a tool to add trash to a string

can we reverse it?

this is how we should have done things

for example, you keep talking about entropy

can we make it lower? or enough to decode?

the strings are 100% base64

from the characters to the padding

[timid swift]

That's not a guarantee. It's only a fair assumption

[digital radish]

okay

you have a point

then, what else could it be

[austere sun]

we are going into this assuming any of this is even meant to be decrypted, which is a debatable topic in itself.

it'd be pretty cruel to not only encrypt a string, but also add trash to artificially inflate entropy and compress it even further.

base64 clearly looks like just the last step in the encryption, the one we were meant to figure out immediately

[digital radish]

what is similar to base64

is it decodable without having to put 2 "passwords"?

[digital radish]

okay then, what can we do before base64

xor, and what else

[dusk hollow]

Any lore or theory now?

[austere sun]

in numbers thread library i tried coding man's decryption method from lyrics, so it would be "xor" "and" and "row substitution"

[digital radish]

not yet

[coral ibex]

Don't think so

[timid swift]

Depends when you were here last. Check the timeline (:

[austere sun]

but there are simply too many variables, and most importantly it too requires 128 bit key

[digital radish]

everything requires a key

[austere sun]

well if it's like des or something it'd be easier than aes

[timid swift]

especially if it's single-DES and not triple-

[digital radish]

we always end up with bruteforcing

it shouldnt happen

[safe monolith]

after getting a possible key, i think we also don't know what & how to apply it. no clear verification mechanism

[digital radish]

there is another way

even if its a 128bit key

[austere sun]

another way is to "open" it in firefox

[digital radish]

we should somehow be able to find out

[timid swift]

Exactly. We could be sitting on the key, but we have no clear indication what to do with it

[digital radish]

so far we got 3 base64 strings

[coral ibex]

Ik I'm slightly off topic here but is base 64 hashing a thing?

[digital radish]

none of them has been decoded

not even the most basic one

[timid swift]

How do you mean?

[digital radish]

we're missing something

base64 isnt hashing

its encryption

[timid swift]

base64 is encoding but ok

[digital radish]

encoding

that

[coral ibex]

Ok

[digital radish]

hashing is something irreversible, only with bruteforce

encoding is

decoding

[austere sun]

it's 4 akshually

[timid swift]

imagine using sentences

[digital radish]

yeah cant remember the 4tg

4th

theres 2 in the numbers 2

one in desc and in soundcloud

then in study

[austere sun]

numbers 1 desc, numbers 2 desc, study 10:21 and soundcloud

[digital radish]

then in the numbers vid

4

the study one is suposed to be easy

[timid swift]

What's interesting about the soundcloud description is that it has a lower entropy (read as base64)

[austere sun]

not that much lower

[digital radish]

so its meant to be decodable

[timid swift]

low enough to just step out of the normal encryption/compression range

[timid swift]

Doesn't guarantee anything

[austere sun]

it's just because it's smaller than the others

[digital radish]

hmmm

right

[austere sun]

like 3 times smaller, so lower entropy is pretty much a given

[gritty blaze]

Aes key is 16 characters, and you get an extra 2 characters + padding == because the key is 16 I guess. This is why I think it might be aes like other people suggest before or something similar.

[timid swift]

Thanks. I've noted this down now

[steady fossil]

what encryption scheme did you use?

[gritty blaze]

aes

[steady fossil]

Ok so that shows that the low entropy definitely doesn't tell us anything about encryption if the data is short

[gritty blaze]

I wanted to see if it will give extra characters,because of the 16 characters key; if there is not enough in the text. It did.

For exam

[steady fossil]

yeah that's a padding scheme

it will always add padding bytes to ensure the data is a multiple of the key size

[gritty blaze]

Encrypted "Neuro" with the key "neuro-sama&vedal" got: Vmm3qtylBPR/tUn4YPLTOw==

[austere sun]

actually, this got me thinking maybe we can reverse engineer the encryption scheme with entropy

because the strings kande gives have higher entropy than the string in study 10:21
and i am currently xoring a number with randomized keys and they all have even lesser entropy

[gritty blaze]

Try the one I gave couple hours ago

It's a phone number

[gritty blaze]

.

[austere sun]

whole 0.3 higher

[gritty blaze]

Lower

Right?

Higher?

[austere sun]

original string is ~4, my randomized numbers are ~3.9, aes encrypted are ~4.2.

anyway, to test this we would need a larger text for better accuracy and more aes encrypted strings for comparison

[gritty blaze]

This: nLWL1zzLGWwomizzvUOtxw==

How much?

[austere sun]

3.803508854797679

4.334962500721156

[gritty blaze]

KoeC1DjSvUpmy1c25hvLGg==

[gritty blaze]

Try this one^

[gritty blaze]

It's the same key as for UK, both last numbers Japanese but entropy different for both in over 0.5

[river mantle]

maybe answer is to see gamma ray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOZ9Q99Nfv8

[gritty blaze]

So I don't think it's possible I guess?

[steady fossil]

I'm going to try and crack DQ5zl4ighWwiag7y+cWFQg== as a base64-encoded MD5 hash using hashcat

[west plinth]

with what mask/dictionary?

[digital radish]

wrong chat

[gritty blaze]

lol

[austere sun]

the point is whether on average it makes a difference, and these outliers should be less with longer strings

[steady fossil]

well, if we expect a phone number we can brute force it just using numbers and +

[west plinth]

true, have you seen the doc? We've tried a bunch of country codes already

[gritty blaze]

We need only about 500 to 700 year to crack the key by brute force, or if we give 1000 people a part it will take about half a year. If the key starting with 17, no higher no lower and only numbers.

[steady fossil]

oh? it's already been tried?

[west plinth]

"only"

[west plinth]

yes but only with some countries

[steady fossil]

Ah yeah I see it in the doc

[gritty blaze]

Compared to the age of the universe it's nothing lol

If 17 first and it's only numbers, we need to guess only 14 numbers after 17.

[timid swift]

Don't forget possible spaces and ( )

[native maple]

thats why we tried the range with 17...24 so it's only 12 numbers

[west plinth]

Maybe you could still verify though because it's the first time I did hashcat stuff so I'm not entirely confident I did it correctly

[steady fossil]

I'm doing an increment mask so I don't have to guess the length of the phone number

[gritty blaze]

About 160 years to wait

[timid swift]

Verifications are definitely important at this stage. We may have missed something and erroneously documented that we did tried it (that's why I try to show how I do things)

[gritty blaze]

Is there any good and not annoying to read documentation on how aes encryption is working?

[timid swift]

Security through annoyance: Hackers can't break the algorithm if they're maldy reading about it.

[desert tusk]

wiki gives you a brief introduction but to understand it requires you to have a decent math brain

such as XOR, K(M,M) or some symbols used in cryptology

btw it's all encrypted for sure

[timid swift]

It's not a known plaintext encoding, it doesn't have magic bytes, it's got high entropy, surely it must be encrypted.

[desert tusk]

i've check all the different encoding

[desert tusk]

yea

[timid swift]

or random generated bytes

[desert tusk]

i check them just in case we've missed something that we don't know

[timid swift]

troll experiment to see how long we'd bang our heads against 4 random bits of data

Ye, check and doublecheck

[desert tusk]

i mean the base64 it self is a big problem especially when custom alphabet isn't working

[timid swift]

The biggest problem I have with the custom alphabet idea is that there's nothing indicating that it's the case.

but that can be said of a lot of our ideas

[desert tusk]

what i'm thinking now is that Vedal might actually gave us some key or keywords for software he used for encrypting

maybe we need to wait for other weeks or so, that vedal can release study 2 or something like that

[timid swift]

Maybe. Not like we've got many other options at this time. Unless someone shows up who knows more than we do lel

[eternal timber]

Fun fact: GBK stands for "Great Britain Key"

(Satire, I'm just kidding lol)

[timid swift]

Great British Keyoff

[west plinth]

has anyone analyzed the fibonacci spirals to see if the ratio of sidelengths actually match the fibonacci sequence?

[austere sun]

no
i believe someone here tried to get the transparent image of the sequence, which could be used to match with a random image from the internet but didn't upload it because it was too scuffed

[gritty blaze]

I can just copy paste it from the video

[austere sun]

true, but it's going to have garbage quality and you would need to find a transparent image of the sequence that would both be visible against the background and at the same time non-intrusive enough to check where the sequences don't match.
basically too much effort for a non-issue, and even if they don't match, then what

[west plinth]

then it could hint at a different recurrence relation

[rotund willow]

hows progess going rn

[west plinth]

well we should just check that we aren't missing any obvious hint

[daring acorn]

Is this something? https://imgur.com/a/Is5GwxU

[timid swift]

looks like a big ol' pile of compression artifacts modern art

[daring acorn]

lmao thanks

[gritty blaze]

First Fibonacci appears in frame number: 1294.
First Fibonacci was last seen in frame number: 1432.
First Fibonacci, the total number of frames: 138 = 5750ms

Second Fibonacci appears in frame number: 1440.
Second Fibonacci is last seen in frame number: 1572.
Second Fibonacci, the total number of frames: 132 = 5500ms

Third Fibonacci appears in frame number: 1581.
Third Fibonacci is last seen in frame number: 1717.
Third Fibonacci, the total number of frames: 136 = 5666.66ms

Fourth Fibonacci appears in frame number: 1728.
Fourth Fibonacci was last seen in frame number: 1860.
Fourth Fibonacci, the total number of frames: 132 = 5500ms

Lyrics:
Finding all these numbers
Start with number 2
Matching all the letters
572943
Add another 9
Add another line
Multiply by 5
Add another 6 - (First Fibonacci appears)
Flip the numbers backwards
Make the 2 a 3
abcdefg - (First Fibonacci dissapear)
Multiply by 9 - (Second Fibonacci appears)
Add the numbers 2 4
17 is first
abcdefg - (Second Fibonacci disappears)
The last two just appears after the lyrics were over.

I took only lyrics with the instructions.

First two fibs disappear at "abcdefg"

Last two without any instructions.

[gritty blaze]

What is CFHDR?

[west plinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMlH7RH6psw&t=534s is it just me or does the breaths here seem to alternate between short and long breaths? could it be morse code or binary?

[timid swift]

I think someone else said something similar, but I don't think it's in the docs. Perhaps you could search the channel?

[west plinth]

this I suppose?

[desert tusk]

no

[desert tusk]

it's easier to understand in wavefrom, here

it's just a repetitive breathe with no long or short sounds in it, hence it's not morse code or any way to present binary data

0101010101010100101

[west plinth]

i swear the times between the breaths seem to alternate though, probably my imagination ig

[desert tusk]

this is breathe, and the other two peaks are heartbeats

heartbeats

I choose these two as 0 and 1 so for me it's the number I just typed

but if you take In hale as 0 and exhale as 1 then it would be different

but in the end, it's only around 19~21 digits, I don't really think you can hide numbers or some kind of letters inside these small digits binary group
plus you don't know which way to encode/decode them

hence it's useless working in this part of the audio

[daring acorn]

Found the original Numbers song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQJgxgSLyQ

Chiru-san - Traces of Spring

[austere sun]

i have indeed completely gone insane

[daring acorn]

Idk about that but i know that there may be a reason for Vedal choosing this song, im working towards finding the one for numbers 2

[west plinth]

how did you find it?

[cosmic grail]

I tried to use Sherlock to find other accounts, the info is in neurosama on twitter

[daring acorn]

secret ways

[cosmic grail]

As someone said, "I think the last thing vedal wants is to someone to text a random number "help me...""

[cosmic grail]

It's a sample afaik

[obtuse basalt]

Sounds like a sample

Numbers adds a bassline and a generic beat to it if I remember correctly

[cosmic grail]

Someone posted about the same "song", but it was in Chinese

It was way earlier in the post when this was the only post I think

[austere sun]

as per my insanity i have bothered to look into fibonacci and there's nothing there

[eternal timber]

There's a fibonacci inside the fibonacci

[hardy laurel]

it's come to a point where I think fibonacci is only there to hint at recursion(like handle lyrics operations according to recursive calls or w/e), otherwise irrelevant. But too busy to test it

[wintry notch]

oh wait theres another chanel for that

[hollow garnet]

did you throw it through a translator or something

[wintry notch]

yea

google translate

best sorce

[hollow garnet]

yeah that often invents words that aren't there if you feed it junk

[wintry notch]

some stuff is intrestig for shure

but its not solved

oh i realized im dum

[daring acorn]

What was that

[wintry notch]

a hour wasted ;-;

[daring acorn]

naur

[coral ibex]

So that's why the production seemed different on numbers compared to numbers ii

Numbers ii could be a pluck sound from somewhere, when I get home I'll check on FL and Ableton stock sounds

[timid swift]

Yooo, what's the latest schizo theory?

[coral ibex]

Not really a theory but we acquired the sample for numbers

[timid swift]

is it the same shizam song that's noted in the docs?

[coral ibex]

Yes, the chiru-san video

If I had splice I would check for the sample but don't have it ATM

[timid swift]

spicy splicy

[coral ibex]

Although it seems pointless to find the sample imo

Its not related too much to the actual arg, no?

[timid swift]

I suspect that it's just a case of algorithm thinking one sound sounds like another.

but i haven't verified

[sturdy nebula]

groundwork for the glitch patterns in the images from study (??? and uʍop uǝllɐɟ)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RBvEINbc--fCZ_pVhPVEIbrbN2CJtPo60sxx8cx85HA/edit?usp=drive_link

[crimson tendon]

@sturdy nebula has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)

[desert tusk]

I don't think that a "song"

[crimson tendon]

@desert tusk has leveled up! (19 ➜ 20)

[desert tusk]

in music production there's a stuff called "loop"

such as Hihat loop, Vocal Loop, even a piano loop

it's just a progression in a specific key and recorded for music purpose

[tame pulsar]

good reminder because of that engineer tts haha

[native maple]

are people at it again

[languid swan]

lol

just heard tts, came here to take a look

[timid swift]

good job pinging tutel lel

[tame pulsar]

not a ping

[timid swift]

replying pings people, doesn't it?

[tame pulsar]

you can disable pinging when you reply

[timid swift]

ooh, clever

Bread will remember this

[native maple]

you can choose at the bottom right try it

[timid swift]

anyway, we should document this frivolous piece of not-a-clue anywayss :D

[timid swift]

Love the schizo energy of this document by the way. Keep it up!

ah i see, the @ symbol says if you pinged or not

[sturdy nebula]

tks! the schizo is part of its charm

[coral ibex]

This seems a lot better than what I was doing

[timid swift]

hey, we can't all be schizo superstars shooting stars airplanes

[wintry notch]

um, did you guys see the eyes? or is that just what she dose when evil neuro is mentioned?

[timid swift]

the eyes flickering earlier when asked about engineer stuff? I wasn't looking but i presume it's the same event as we saw short after the ARG started, right?

We should look into what it was either way -- after stream c: Even if it just says jebaited in morse code or something

[distant girder]

i think ania means that neuros eyes turned black when talking about being evil, which most likely is just a new toogle trigger

[timid swift]

ooh right, i didn't notice that.

I was a bit caught on the thing earlier sorry lol

I'm also dead tired, i should stop talking

[daring acorn]

what tts?

[timid swift]

text to speech. When you turn written words into spoken words with a computer and stuff.

[daring acorn]

i know what tts is

im saying what did the tts say

[timid swift]

alright that's it. I really can't read lmao.

[wintry notch]

so uh she sed that her favorite number is 5, idk why but it feels important.

[timid swift]

could note it down if you want. There's a doc with what people have said

[daring acorn]

oh alr alr thanks

[timid swift]

nawh, thank you

[wintry notch]

ima try to note that one down

[crimson tendon]

@wintry notch has leveled up! (1 ➜ 2)

[wintry notch]

ima be real with you guy's, i got no idea how to work with that document (more like im scared il delete something on accident) so can someone else add that plz

[timid swift]

There are backups and you can undo. What do you want to add where?

[timber whale]

So, hows the progress? I havent checked in days. Are we at a brick wall?

[timid swift]

pretty much. Latest news is static sama being closed by admins

[timber whale]

Thats a shame. Looks like unless we get a lead it might end here then :(

[timid swift]

Seems like it. Unless tutel drops a new track. I've turned over everything I can think of, but maybe fresh heads will prevail. Who knows

[wintry notch]

wow what happend?

[timber whale]

Fresh heads normally requires active interest. If interest peeters out we might not get new perspectives

[wintry notch]

idk why i thought something happend on stream

[timid swift]

I was only listening, didn't see anything

[wintry notch]

me to

[timber whale]

Nothing happened besides void showing up for half a second when someone asked about Evil like 40 minutes ago

[timid swift]

yeee. And it won't help to pester someone :p

[wintry notch]

yea

[timber whale]

which likly doesnt have anything to do with the arg

[wintry notch]

i saw that

but

she did say that her favorite number is 5

might be something to keep note of

[timber whale]

I was hoping the evil colab a few days ago would give us something but nope. So Im at a dead end

[wintry notch]

wellp im hooked on this arg so im defenetly gona try and breathe new life in the idea's section

[timber whale]

Best of luck! I suspect what we are missing is simple stuff people overlooked since they were going into the more overly technical cryptography

[wintry notch]

yea

[timid swift]

please yes lol

[wintry notch]

i also got some result trying to decript the numbers desc... then realized i did it wrong. a hour of my life waisted

[rotund willow]

just wait Numbers ||| to get more clue

[wintry notch]

prob

[timid swift]

I want study II

[fossil wigeon]

or Numbers Alyx

[timid swift]

I didn't know tutel worked for Valve

[fossil wigeon]

let's hope he's better

[timid swift]

man, i'm gonna suggest neuro sings count to 3

[wintry notch]

YES

also sorry guys i gtg do something, can't see the stream to get more info

[timid swift]

No worries. You gotta take care of you first. Take care

[wintry notch]

but the lore :(

[timid swift]

will be here tomorrow!

[scarlet lily]

[languid swan]

"Do you want to be an engineer"

[placid marsh]

an arg?

this is interesting is there a Google docs with findings so far? When did this art start?

[native maple]

yes

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qm6GSRlstTmjbyOFCuH1OhSmPK4pi4Aa?usp=sharing

lot of reading

[eternal timber]

You should start with "_Overview MegaTHREAD" in the docs, reading the various mains and checking out the videos - it's still very far away from solved ( ) but there's been a handful of things the community figured out and some other interesting stuff there. ARG started sorta during the V2 debut on May... 27th-ish?

[placid marsh]

thanks a lot

[cosmic grail]

572943

[timid swift]

oboi here we go again :schizo:

[cosmic grail]

Yeah

[timid swift]

[cosmic grail]

The person who sleeps the most and is a part of neuro arg:

200 👍 on this post

[nova owl]

TRUE

[gritty blaze]

Is there good sites to decrypt and encrypt with AES?

[daring acorn]

Timestamp?

[timber whale]

someone clipped it let me see if i can find it

[timber whale]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ElegantConfidentAxeCeilingCat-7rlgDMELK8gtwjwI

[daring acorn]

Thanks

[timber whale]

NP!

[daring acorn]

( i am about to unnecesarily analyze this clip for hours, please help me)

[timber whale]

Make sure to drink water and take breaks!

[daring acorn]

The swarm need not water, i'll take the breaks though

[pastel forum]

Would it be reasonable to look at the sequences of different combinations of Neuros on screen in Numbers II as a form of morse code?

[timid swift]

Yes, it would be pretty reasonable. There's already some writing about it in the docs, but there's always room for expansion! There's a chance it's just a reference to lagtrain and other neuro-fan-favorites, but who knows if there's more to it.

[pastel forum]

Ah, I might've missed that part of the docs if it's already been explored pretty thoroughly. Oops

[timid swift]

I don't think it has been interpreted as morse before. I only recall something about parsing the light and dark apperences as binary 0 and 1

and then there was some math that I didn't quite follow :p

[pastel forum]

I see, I was thinking something along the lines of interpreting the # of Neuros per sequence as .'s and a - for every time the # switches, but I think that's probably either not at all correct or not taking enough of the information given into account, like the dark and light versions, which makes sense to look at as binary for sure

The problem with looking at it as morse is figuring out how you'd decide what means what

[timid swift]

Well, even if it's wrong it's a good thing to note down so we know we've had the conversation before and can rule it out

[pastel forum]

That makes sense

[timid swift]

So I say go or it c: If you wanna, of course

[pastel forum]

I gave it a bit of experimenting and came up with LBXLBXLBXLFI based on my idea but I can't see that as anything particularly useful

[timid swift]

Sweet! Now we have a reference point for the next person who gets there

[pastel forum]

Mostly the idea was pushed by the sequencing and the concept of start with X and end with Y and make the syllables work

[timid swift]

ye, that one's a tough nut to interpret

[pastel forum]

✅

[red brook]

https://gchq.github.io/CyberChef/

just search for "AES" in the search bar on the left

if you don't know what IV to use, just put in 16 null-bytes
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

that's the most common option to use when you don't care about IV

oh and if your key is shorter than 16 bytes, you have to pad it with null-bytes
not sure if the convention is right-padding or left-padding. you can just try out both options I guess

[austere sun]

vedal lowkey confirming study is original in anny's chat. biggest breakthrough in this channel the entire week

[timid swift]

What was the context?

[austere sun]

anny was asking if "i dont want to be an engineer" is original so that she can get instrumental for it to sing over.
she then asked vedal to talk in chat and he said no

[timid swift]

also, we do have a 16 byte piece of info. The destination-field data in the JS code from study. If decoded as base64

[red brook]

yup, my first thought when seeing those was that those might be either key or IV

I have been lurking a while ^^

[timid swift]

ah okokok (:

[native maple]

he then proceed to spam "i didnt say no to that question"

[red brook]

didn't someone find the instrumental 'original' recently?

[native maple]

oh yea i didn't see you posted it

[warped torrent]

I already recreated it from scratch the other day for my Miku cover

[native maple]

im tired too late among us lol

[timid swift]

so no she can't have the instrumental, and maybe-yes-it's-original

[red brook]

man, it sucks that you can't restrict the search to one discussion

[crimson tendon]

@red brook has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)

[red brook]

IMO that's probably the best argument for the ARG to get its own channel

[timid swift]

Let's see if it survives first

[native maple]

if only 10 people use the channel there is already some channel like that

[timid swift]

But real answer, I feel like it's much more productive to crystalize ideas in an organized doc than trying to search up old messages

[warped torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1116562002022772836/I_dont_want_to_be_an_engineer_SCHIZO.wav

[native maple]

Any Azaka schizo discord stream today ?

[wintry notch]

who?

[warped torrent]

no I'm away this weekend

[wintry notch]

oh

[warped torrent]

Wh

[wintry notch]

hello i poped here

pop*

[native maple]

Nice have a nice weekend

Everyone saying who to azaka yesterday on anny stream during among us

[warped torrent]

I'm nobody

[wintry notch]

i feel like were missing something (or im dum and we solved everything for now and were just waiting)