Neuro ARG

[fossil wigeon]

stoopid question, you Invert either track?

[gleaming ocean]

Yep, split to mono and invert one track.

I did the right, it makes only extremely marginal difference

[fossil wigeon]

alright. i wasn't sure it's the same thing

[gleaming ocean]

Anyways yeah Kosi, mind reposting the file I sent you to here?

[fossil wigeon]

I have a pair of earphones actually, left is wired in wrong, and if I flip the left track of any song ,it sounds good. I was amazed at the low quality

[gleaming ocean]

(Or should I send it by Kenerol?)

[nova owl]

send to him, im good only in question bruh

[gleaming ocean]

kk

[nova owl]

HOLY SHIT, 2 GIGS ARE JUST BROWSER

BRUUUUUUUUH

[fast path]

karaoke ver?

[gleaming ocean]

Also base reduced

[nova owl]

btw guys, goodnight\day, i NEED sleep, 3 AM

[gleaming ocean]

I was a bit weirded out by the fact that all the high notes were just barely out of phase

probably just to be unsettling

but the base and voice is perfectly mono

and that's the reason it's peaking

because the high notes straight up don't cancel

Actually, uno moment, lemme make a version that doesn't peak

[obtuse basalt]

how's it going?

[gleaming ocean]

You've acquired someone who sees potential partial patterns in everything and has gone full shitzo is what

Also I guess we got some lines that currently are only lore but might be relevant later

[obtuse basalt]

wooo schizo

[gleaming ocean]

Nevermind, not worth it, it only just barely peaks at the worst of times

[obtuse basalt]

What's with the static Alex posted?

[nova owl]

Done

[gleaming ocean]

Anyways, I'm actually gonna dissapear this time, I swear.

[obtuse basalt]

doc?

[gleaming ocean]

So talk to you all some other time

[obtuse basalt]

don't die~!

[light arch]

RARE DOUBLE SKUNK

[copper spoke]

[light arch]

alright, last day of my vacation is coming to an end, have fun solving everyone, i will still be checking in every now and then

[vapid token]

The further/longer it goes, more and more schizo it all becomes

[nova owl]

I think that who not go shizo give a role

[vapid token]

I'm starting to lose more and more sense of what's going on. It's like we're just getting farther away.
But maybe it's just me, because I can't really help with solution.

[cedar thistle]

ok

anything new?

[coral ibex]

nothing major

no new videos on youtube or anything on the soundcloud

[vapid token]

No doc about moderators?

[obtuse basalt]

I didn't find one

[coral ibex]

Theres a doc labeled asking people for help that kinda is related to mods

[slim kelp]

hmmm

[vapid token]

There is no information about today anyway

[slim kelp]

brain is starting to turn to mush.

[crimson tendon]

You have unlocked new role

[slim kelp]

LFG

[vapid token]

Even if it is trolling, I think it's worth adding it as something that happened

Like Static-Sama

[coral ibex]

Ah I see what you mean

Not sure who's in charge of the docs

[fast path]

anyone can write new ideas or updates in the docs

[stable harness]

editing anny reaction to numbers 2, believe it give profit to new people

[cedar thistle]

what is her reaction?

[stable harness]

she laugh

ahahaah

[fast path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB4MOuwFFz4

[split zenith]

THE NUMBERS

[wind tangle]

THE NUMBERS THE NUMBERS THE NUMBERS THE NUMBERS

[coral ibex]

the numbers incident

[pulsar prairie]

Study keeps appearing in my YouTube recommended videos.

[dire orchid]

study gets a lot of watchtime from schizo arg members

[cobalt axle]

listen to it again

it's a bop

[languid swan]

I missed the stream... found anything in the evil x neuro stream?

[river mantle]

I found that evil neuro isn't evil but just love the black color

basically evil neuro is not evil, just edgy

[cosmic grail]

red in V1 model

because red eyes

[pulsar prairie]

except for the knocking part

[fresh lark]

do we have anything on the soundcloud?

[river mantle]

still nothing new i guess

[fresh lark]

im gonna double check the end of numbers II in photoshop

[coral ibex]

i dont think this will work but im going to try putting the numbers we get from the binary thing from numbers ii to a systems of equations

crazy idea

[obtuse basalt]

Yeah it's not clear to me how we could apply all the info we have

[dusk hollow]

U all still solving the arg?

[coral ibex]

i got sidetracked and started trying to write the basics of what im thinking in latex

but basically what im thinking is this

i dont think this will work at all but idk

[uncut cargo]

And we shall never surrender

[coral ibex]

this can lead into the "start with x, end with y. remove xy and the odd one out", but its been a while since ive done systems of equations

[slim gulch]

schizo club activities

[coral ibex]

fr

ive become a member

[slim gulch]

i'm an inactive member

[coral ibex]

ive researched on my own a bunch but havent really said a lot

[slim gulch]

rooting my android rn

[coral ibex]

what for

[slim gulch]

this will greatly help in our advancements

[slim gulch]

i dont remember

[coral ibex]

good luck and dont brick ur phone

[slim gulch]

i mean it's a ximi

i've bricked devices more times then i can count

[coral ibex]

ah

[slim gulch]

i've rooted this phone like 15 times (romhopping because miui)

[coral ibex]

oh ok u know what ur doin

[slim gulch]

i had a oneplus 9 before this

it has seen the light

[obtuse basalt]

This could be... Something
Kinda feels right, but at the same time what would we do with the result?

[slim gulch]

(it still works but it suffered)

[coral ibex]

im not quite sure

id say maybe when we get the answer we might get another clue? but theres no way to know that for sure

or maybe a hint on how to decode numbers ii/soundcloud

[obtuse basalt]

I have no hard evidence, but I feel like our progress isn't being tracked too closely
Considering the fact that the SoundCloud pfp is a screengrab of YT, despite us finding the source of the YT photo

Unless the pixel resolution of the image is a clue, in which case that's a schizo thing to do

[coral ibex]

speaking of pixel resolution i was thinking of maybe getting the pixel count of the fibonacci box/rectangle and seeing if that relates to anything

but still, i dont really see a clear solution atm other than to try what i know

[obtuse basalt]

It's hard, because we still don't know how any of the base64 was encrypted

AES? DES? Vigenere? We don't know for sure and they're just educated guesses

Maybe the base64 was encoded with a Fibonacci sequence, shifting a letter by 0, then the next by 1, then the next by 1, then the next by 2...

Or it starts with a shift of 2, then 3, then 5...
Or it goes 2, 2, 4, 6, 10

And when it goes too high it's just mod26 on the value

[coral ibex]

yeah i see what you mean

it seems really unclear on how we go about decoding these

id like to think that weve figured something out, since we have a soundcloud account and numbers ii, but i could just be completely wrong and nothing has been conclusively found

then again, my solution doesnt even account for the rest of the lyrics in numbers two yet

oh wait

im mixing numbers with numbers two

im going schizo

lets go

[coral ibex]

i got a line from this

its something?
but also i could just be schizo

this line doesnt feel like it idk

[coral ibex]

i got an 'end with y' but now idk if im even right

anyways im gonna call it quits for now until i think of something new

[hollow garnet]

you could solve that last thing for y I think?

just take out a factor of y^{-1}

[coral ibex]

oh yeah

i might just look at it later since ive probably done something wrong and ill catch it when i do look at it later

[timid swift]

Hey guys, just catching up and documenting stuff. Sadly had to do the sleep thing last night.

What's the context of this #1112082183235047506 message message?
I tried reading the conversation around it but I'm a little puzzled.

Also, good job decoding all the fun new stuff we got. I wrote a short section about it here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1unZh04RMJbVx0d8DVP8OP0ZdnFy1lKVyNiL3xcnV8NI/edit#heading=h.1ljvp7x3r3sb

[digital radish]

thats the soundcloud string

[timid swift]

Interesting. How did we acquire it?

[digital radish]

by copying the soundcloud string

at the end of numbers 2 theres a soundcloud

and in the souncloud theres a string

[timid swift]

In the description field? Didn't that start with Mi?

[digital radish]

i have no clue

they said it was the soundcloud string

[timid swift]

oh wait nevermind it's the Numbers II youtube description

slow morning lel

[digital radish]

i did a new and improved code

import base64
import threading


count = 0
def doCount(rng):
    global count, totalCount
    b64charset = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789+/"
    for i in range(0, rng):
        ncount = count + i
        if len(str(ncount)) != 10:
            strcount = str(ncount).rjust(10, '0')
        else: strcount = str(ncount)
        count += 1
        alphabet = f'ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{strcount}+/'
        try:
            b64string = b64string.translate(str.maketrans(str(alphabet), b64charset))
            decoded = base64.b64decode(b64string)
            print(decoded.decode())
        except:
            pass

def progress():
    if len(str(count)) != 10:
        strcount = str(count).rjust(10, '0')
    else: strcount = str(count)
    print(f'Trying Alphabet: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{strcount}+/')
    threading.Timer(2, progress).start()

progress()
while True:
    doCount(200)

the b64string is missing because it would just make it big

[timid swift]

Nice! How big should the doCount parameter be to do an exhaustive search?

[digital radish]

i have no clue

[timid swift]

Fair

[digital radish]

i put 200 to save my pc from exploding

but i dont know if it helps

[timid swift]

probably a good idea lol

Also if you write
```python
<code here>
```
it'll do color highlight (:

[digital radish]

thats the fun part about coding

[timid swift]

figuring out if it blows up or not? lol

[digital radish]

nah

not knowing what i created

it just works

somehow

and it doesnt skip numbers!

its also fast!

[harsh vessel]

fingers crossed on this

[hardy burrow]

import brain

if brain(work):
    try:
        solveArg()
else:
    I dont fucking know

[digital radish]

average python programmer

you see, it tries to solve it

it doesnt solve it!

[native maple]

import God

God.smite(*)

[digital radish]

totally not missing an except there

[restive wagon]

Have neuro sing a cover of the engineer song for her next karaoke stream

[timid swift]

Suggested it, but who knows if it'll happen lol

[restive wagon]

Also, wondering if her mentioning of her favorite anime being Vivy has anything to do with the vibe of this little ARG 🤔

Cause didn't she say it multiple times in her redebut

[digital radish]

i have no clue

v2 has a mind of their own

[restive wagon]

The neuro from _neurosama is simply a neuro from the future 👌

[digital radish]

or the past

[restive wagon]

Tru

[digital radish]

considering currently all lore leads to being a cry from help

from v1

[timid swift]

That's my interpretation as well.

[harsh vessel]

same here, though I figured it may be relate to two subjects, considering the lore may be more on "Study"

[restive wagon]

True, but I feel if that were the true case why keep showing this different neuro with twintails 🤔. Assuming that her fav anime is vivy has anything to do with it at all, maybe neuro from future(the twintail one) is communicating using the underscore channel using v1 model as an outlet

[eternal timber]

Null Error: "Brain not found exception"

[restive wagon]

Matpat level theory tho

[harsh vessel]

I had the similar thought as well but aint so much on the vivy part. I think "Study" can be interpreted as two-parter, in which the differences is how the subject interacted with the "ghost"

[restive wagon]

Ye, she said when asked her fav anime was "its gotta be Vivy: Fluorite Eye's. I love the plot and the catchy songs, whats not to love?" Which do be what is currently happening in this arg

But

Could just be a crazy coincidence lel

[restive wagon]

Mhmhmhm

[gritty blaze]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

I manually calculated base64 possibilities for "DQ5zl4ighWwiag7y+cWFQg==" - I thought it may be custom alphabet, but it can't be custom alphabet.... Well gg.

Or it's not numbers...

[timid swift]

How'd you do it? Would be interesting to have in the docs so we know what has already been done (:

[gritty blaze]

I did on a piece of paper with a pencil lol

Basically I checked what the first number will be encoded to in regular alphabet, what second, and what third.

First number is always starting with M or N or O

But in the code it's not the case

If it's custom alphabet or number it should repeat at least once, but it didn't.

So it's not a custom alphabet or it's not numbers.

[harsh vessel]

Could that be the reason why it is "failed to execute"?

[gritty blaze]

What interesting though, is that the last encode for 1 is always "x" for 2 is "y" and for 3 "z" sounds familiar, right?

[timid swift]

Good work. We can rule out the simple encoding + phone number combination then

[timid swift]

Ye, that's my interpretation. That library wants a normal phone number

[gritty blaze]

Good point

[timid swift]

It does but I think i need the logic spelled out a bit more lol

[gritty blaze]

Maybe it's a clue

I'll add it to document later when I come back home.

[harsh vessel]

sooo, whoever is "trapped" and needs saving by sending a message was a fake/unknown phone number

[timid swift]

Something along these lines it seems. I can't help but wonder if it'll be an entry point to actually texting with someone

[gritty blaze]

We need to think why would you send SMS not to a number?

You need manually add it if it's not in the contacts.

[cedar thistle]

anything new bros?

[gritty blaze]

Check my message above...

Not a custom alphabet probably, or not numbers.

[cedar thistle]

ok

[river mantle]

Maybe it's a name of character instead? To imply that we need to dm "save me..." to them

[gritty blaze]

It's for "DQ5zl4ighWwiag7y+cWFQg=="

[gritty blaze]

dm?

[river mantle]

Direct message

[gritty blaze]

Yes, but dm to who? To a number?

[river mantle]

Idk

[gritty blaze]

I don't think Vedal would want us to send random messages to random people lol

[eternal timber]

Brute force it by DMing every single member of the Discord (satire, don't actually do this lmao)

[cedar thistle]

Would that be a Youtube video's address?

[gritty blaze]

Can be, it's one of the theories.

I'll try manually check for letters when I'll be home, maybe I'll find something...

[restive wagon]

Maybe it ends up leading to a discord name and number you have to send a friend request to?

O, discord doesn't have numbers anymore lol

Nvm lol

[gritty blaze]

It's can be 2 things right now, encoded base64 with a key I guess aes or something or custom alphabet, but not numbers.

It's not number almost for sure if it's custom alphabet.

[restive wagon]

Hmmmm, well discord did do away with he numbers part of their names, could be an interesting end to it, talking with a discord account, since discord doesn't have the tag part of your username

🤔

[glad horizon]

wow this is really a unique take 👍

had some thought before falling asleep
what if the base64 is not actually base64, like we all thinkg it is and just disregard it as "well time to AES" but in actuallity it is a steganography with maybe some positional encoding, like every letter in fibonacci position is message and so on.

entropy will not show, but we are all misled by base64 format to belive its encrypted whereas it is really not

[timid swift]

Ye, I've been very careful to write "base64-looking block" and similar in the docs. Assuming that it's base64 is a pretty fair assumption, but it IS an assumption.

[austere sun]

isn't lots this code wildly non-exhaustive and at the same time redundant.
the rng to be complete has to reach 999 999 999, 200 is not nearly enough. but this method in the first place loses a lot of data because of making characters the same and therefore could've have been encrypted to be like it is right now.
and you said it can do not only numbers but clearly for it to do not only numbers it has to be heavily modified.
there's no point in making translation with entire alphabet if you're only chaning digits.
what's the point of translating and outputting (every?) string into utf-8
why does it try and passes on except, what kind of errors are you expecting it to give you

[austere sun]

someone tried getting every letter in fibonacci number positions, nothing coherent

padding almost proves it's base64 anyway

[gritty blaze]

That's actually a good thought.

[warped torrent]

I look back in the channel and see more takes

[timid swift]

I wouldn't call it proof, just a strong indicator

Almost like it's always schizo huh

[warped torrent]

that is not a good take

do you have any idea how annoying it would be to hide data in a b64 string and have it still decode properly in a strict decoder

[glad horizon]

no?

[digital radish]

it ignores trash

thats the try except

[austere sun]

but how does it classify trash

[timid swift]

Pretty annoying I'd imagine.

[digital radish]

undecodable data

[warped torrent]

you can safely assume it is just an encrypted blob

[digital radish]

we want ASCII not random characters

[austere sun]

how can it be undecodable however, you aren't giving it random characters

[timid swift]

Exactly, it's a fair assumption, but it IS an assumption

[digital radish]

what

if you try to decode that string in normal base64 you get what i call trash

[austere sun]

but this "trash" wouldn't be "undecodable" and wouldn't be picked up by try except

[digital radish]

do you know python

its trying to use .decode() which only works on valid hex characters

the trash wouldnt work because its not ascii

[austere sun]

but base64.b64decode() only decodes into valid hex characters?

[digital radish]

no

it decodes valid base64 strings

[austere sun]

how can bytes be invalid hex

[warped torrent]

What is this conversation I'm reading

[digital radish]

it explains everything there

returns decoded bytes

[timid swift]

I'm just here for the 🍿

[austere sun]

but you aren't giving it any characters it can't decode, so every byte is a decoded byte

[digital radish]

...

[warped torrent]

[austere sun]

you aren't even decoding those bytes into ascii, you are decoding into utf-8. which has more valid characters

[warped torrent]

that's not necessarily a problem

[timid swift]

Imagine getting code right the first time That'd be

[austere sun]

well i tried it and understand the point, you explained it pretty poorly

[timid swift]

Communication is hard'n stuff.

[austere sun]

the code is still not very good, it basically just is

  pick 200 random number permutations
  see if they decode into utf-8 like that```

if there's a section that is only in letters that doesn't decode into utf-8 it will basically never output anything

[timid swift]

How would you improve it? It's easy to be critical (:

[wooden bobcat]

Anything New?

[austere sun]

i am doing normalizing instead, no permutations

[timid swift]

Discord mods dropped a bunch of stuff last night during (or after?) stream

[wooden bobcat]

Discord mods? in the arg?

[bright cipher]

been lurking for the past couple days

just here for emotional support

[wooden bobcat]

Where is it?

[timid swift]

well yes, it doesn't proove anything but it's fun stuff either way.

Further up. About 12 hours ago. I wrote a bit about it in the interacting with people doc

[wooden bobcat]

Oh ok

[crimson tendon]

@wooden bobcat has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

[manic swift]

This probably related to math

I'm suck at math

[river mantle]

not sure if it related to arg or not, but wth is this - -
https://genius.com/artists/Neuro-sama

[dire orchid]

did someone made that account

[river mantle]

idk, but it's from 17 apr

not likely to be arg troll, but could be something unrelated

[eternal timber]

"Be nice too each other
BE NICE >:D"

[austere sun]

acidgvrl :diesofcringe:

[languid swan]

genius block me to access the page, what's on it

[eternal timber]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6DBkSbo6YQRAszqS4gZuLs?si=cc5374cf00874ac1

Found it on spotify

[nova owl]

base

[eternal timber]

I'll probably end up listening to this artist now...

[eternal timber]

Base64

[wicked sapphire]

[eager flower]

listening to some of their other songs i’m 90% sure this is just an artist who samples a bunch of stuff to incorporate into their beats, it sounds cool though

[river mantle]

somehow it's seem to be the same uniform

[cedar thistle]

at least the same style

[eager flower]

wait i didn’t even notice that

[eternal timber]

Right now I don't think it relates to the ARG (because we found it via Genius? and not through the arg itself?) I just like breakcore lolol

[lapis sinew]

i found the song in YouTube

[eternal timber]

OHHHH THERE'S A MUSIC VIDEO

[lapis sinew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXPfS8LKWZo

[eager flower]

if nothing else at least we’ll have found some banger music through this arg

[eternal timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I8t5BT1L5M

[river mantle]

music theme ARG let's goooo

[twilit lance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TYtdsCvxxQ

[crimson tendon]

@twilit lance has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)

[river mantle]

for embed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TYtdsCvxxQ

[twilit lance]

[pulsar kiln]

sound too real omegalul

[river mantle]

gold quality

[twilit lance]

The Fallen down parts is kinda messed up tho

[eternal timber]

That's messed up that's crazy that's insane

Yeah it is messed up a bit Sadge

[weary thistle]

It felt like he was gonna laugh at any minute

[river mantle]

is anny wake up? she need to see this!!

[timid swift]

morning in japan right? I guess no

[weary thistle]

she is wake

[eternal timber]

She's streaming and watching youtube videos, you could tell her in stream chat

[river mantle]

nah, it 9pm jp time

[languid swan]

she's on live

[timid swift]

Are you sure she's awake tho

[austere sun]

anny is doing subathon

[river mantle]

nah, she still didn't know that Illuminati control 90% of world power. she still not awake yet

[languid swan]

[austere sun]

get the link to #react-anny on her server

[fading sluice]

Did you guys did it?

[dire orchid]

wow vedal (AI) cover of study

[river mantle]

@twilit lance did it

[fading sluice]

you guys gonna share it to anny?

[dire orchid]

no embed on anny's server

[hybrid scarab]

@nova owl what is that on your profile o: ?

[fading sluice]

sadge

[nova owl]

))

[hybrid scarab]

looks pretty cool

[timid swift]

Clue!

[hybrid scarab]

how did you set it up like that

[hardy burrow]

holy shit actually called it

[bright cipher]

wait where?

[dapper wraith]

I think they used the template from here with a program called "CustomRP" #1112988479140417567 message

[tepid kettle]

i hate going outside

[tawny pasture]

Hello

[tepid kettle]

hello

[tawny pasture]

Anything discovered in the last 12 hours?

[tepid kettle]

ye

[fast echo]

hi, guys, any news after founding sc?

[tepid kettle]

ive discovered snails under my shoe thats been sitting outside for a year

[timid swift]

The stuff mods dropped ~12 hours ago is the latest

I wrote a short summary in the "people" doc

[spring pasture]

?

[prime chasm]

???

[timid swift]

don't even ask about the naming lol

TLDR: static is cool and hangs out in #1112988479140417567

[digital radish]

its not "rng" its range

[timid swift]

acronyms = danger

[austere sun]

ok? it's still wrong.
the "permutations" you pick are still basically random

[digital radish]

they are not random

here have fun

import threading


c = 0
def doCount(count):
    global c
    c = count
    #b64string = 'SSBkb250IGtub3c='
    b64charset = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789+/"
    if len(str(count)) != 10:
        strcount = str(count).rjust(10, '0')
    else: strcount = str(count)
    alphabet = f'ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{strcount}+/'
    try:
        b64string = b64string.translate(str.maketrans(str(alphabet), b64charset))
        decoded = base64.b64decode(b64string)
        print(decoded.decode())
    except:
        pass

def progress():
    if len(str(c)) != 10:
        strcount = str(c).rjust(10, '0')
    else: strcount = str(c)
    print(f'Trying Alphabet: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{strcount}+/')
    threading.Timer(2, progress).start()

progress()
for i in range(0,10000000000):
    doCount(i)

forgot to send the updated code

[austere sun]

now that you go through everything they're not random.
but this method still loses tons of data in most cases

[digital radish]

it never went randomly

and what do you mean it loses data

have you not realized UTF-8 contains trash

ascii can only decode strings that contain valid letters

which its what we're looking for

https://www.asciitable.com/ everything we need to be decoded is here

except the extended table

we dont need that

decoded = base64.b64decode(b64string) print(decoded.decode())

the first line decodes to bytes, the second to ascii

[austere sun]

picking something for no reason is basically "random", not in a sense "unpredictable" but in a sense "there is no reason to pick these ones specifically over any other"

[digital radish]

???

have you not noticed its never been random

[austere sun]

it loses data because every time there's 2 or more of the same digit in strcount you're literally erasing data, the same way you would lose data if you turned all 0s into 1s with a binary string, you can't then change all 1s into 0s and get back the same string

[austere sun]

"there is no reason to pick these ones specifically over any other"

now that you go through everything they're not random

[digital radish]

oh my god

theres nothing being erased

see it like this:
a counter from 0 to 10
it goes from 0-10
it adds the 0's necessary to form a 64 bit number
converts to string
repeats for each number

nothing is being lost

[gritty blaze]

Hmm? What do you mean?

[austere sun]

in this very example you are losing data, because you put 00 as the first thing, so you are losing a digit that was there
think of it in binary.
you have data 01010101 in binary encrypted with custom binary alphabet.
and what you are trying to do is assuming the custom alphabet is 00
and so you get 00000000, you lost all the 1s, you lost the data

[dapper wraith]

so the problem is that there will be duplicate (or even more?) characters in the alphabet?

[austere sun]

yes, that is exactly what i said

[gritty blaze]

Why I would assume it's 00?

[austere sun]

i have no idea why are you assuming that but you do

[gritty blaze]

I still don't get it...

Custom alphabet is like changing the order of the English alphabet so it looks gibberish. If you know the true order, it shall give you the true output no?

[digital radish]

where did binary come from

[gritty blaze]

If you change c to i, a to o, and t to p, when you write cat, you will get iop.

[digital radish]

its intsnot binar

[austere sun]

it's not different from what you are trying to do in base64
thats just another base

[gritty blaze]

If you know the true order you can decode it back to cat

Or I'm missing something?

[timid swift]

Fun fact, Kande decodes to Cutie with the right letter-substitution vocabulary

[flint linden]

Can I make a suggestion to make this more functional without sounding like a POS

[native maple]

Thats got to be a clue

POS ? point of service?

[digital radish]

do something better

holy shit

[gritty blaze]

lol

[austere sun]

literally itertools.permutations()

[flint linden]

Piece of shit

[dapper wraith]

but now imagine you try to get back to cat with i->c, o->a and p->a. there's no way to get a usable result since you are "destroying" one of the characters. I think thats the problem right now

[digital radish]

i cant afford to explain everything

google exists

have fun

[timid swift]

As much as I agree with you, I don't think that is possible lol

[flint linden]

;-;

I just don't wanna be condescending lol

[native maple]

Your not

[timid swift]

Ye, i get what you mean. It's hard to talk about coding styles

[flint linden]

I'll post my version one sec

[timid swift]

please do!

[eternal timber]

You're not condescending you're a Kande (but decoded with the right letter-substitution vocabulary)

[austere sun]

wrong amount of letters

[timid swift]

Smooth

[native maple]

Can juste substitute spaces and it works even with less letters

[gritty blaze]

Why not? If you know that i=c, o=a, p=t - you know that iop means cat, no?

[austere sun]

have you run that through chatgpt or something

[flint linden]

No?

[austere sun]

it wouldn't even work however because your custom b64 charset doesn't have 64 characters

[light arch]

I think the only solution here is to make sure no symbol translates to itself and no repetitions in new set

[timid swift]

I had a similar thought lol. The way you laid out your changes was very chatGPT-like (:

[digital radish]

this would fail

the global c is there for a reason

the threading wouldnt work

[flint linden]

Oh

[digital radish]

whatever you did

you did wrong

[native maple]

Dont you need to pad 0 ? Your range start from 0 right ?

[digital radish]

the try except is already there

[flint linden]

Okay, I'll go through and they to educate myself more 💚

[digital radish]

and theres no padding

[flint linden]

Try**

[gritty blaze]

Chat gpt is shit

[digital radish]

like amarok said

[native maple]

Padding is simple just do an if to get the size of your i variable

Also i don't know about the base64 in python but is the try needed ?

[digital radish]

its needed

[native maple]

Oh dang

[flint linden]

Myb

[digital radish]

otherwise it just crashes

[native maple]

Rip python

[digital radish]

sometimes it cannot decode the bytes to ascii, aka invalid characters

[austere sun]

import base64
import itertools


c = 0
def doCount(count):
    global c
    c = count
    b64charset = "0123456789"
    alphabet = count
    b64string = b64string.translate(str.maketrans(str(alphabet), b64charset))
    decoded = base64.b64decode(b64string)
    try:
        print(decoded.decode())
    except:
        pass

for i in itertools.permutations('0123456789', 10):
    doCount(i)```
there

[digital radish]

the ones we dont want

[flint linden]

Carry on, apologies for being wrong and ty for educating me

[digital radish]

slow as fuck

permutations only lead to shit

padding is easier

[austere sun]

but at least they don't lose data first

[digital radish]

theres no data lost

what cant you understand

[austere sun]

and second they need to go through less in the first place

[timid swift]

You're good (:

[digital radish]

oh my god

[austere sun]

what can't you understand

[timid swift]

Guys you need a breather or something?

[digital radish]

we need a number 10 digits long

we start with 1

turn it into 0000000001

then 2

0000000002

[native maple]

Pfc code seems clean but where are the letters ?

[austere sun]

and you lose data like that!

[digital radish]

what data

were making the alphabet

its like doing 2+1

nothing is lost

[austere sun]

but now imagine you try to get back to cat with i->c, o->a and p->a. there's no way to get a usable result since you are "destroying" one of the characters. I think thats the problem right now

[digital radish]

what characters are being destroyed

[austere sun]

letters aren't changing positions so there's no need to translate them

[native maple]

O and P

[digital radish]

why ate they being destroyed

[native maple]

Oh so you can just not declare them i didn't know that

[fiery sparrow]

If this is a lengthy and serious decoding work, you should start a new discussion thread.

[native maple]

If o = a and p = a then when "taal" decode result as wrong since "aa" could be either o or p

[gritty blaze]

I know almost for sure the code in study, the small one is not custom alphabet or not numbers if custom alphabet.

[timid swift]

It probably isn't. But it probably isn't any of our many many other ideas

any divergent idea is as good as the next

[digital radish]

where does this come from

[austere sun]

10 factorial is less than 10**10 btw

[digital radish]

what drugs are you consuming

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0788986278+/

thats what the numbers are for

tell me again

what data is being lost there

[native maple]

In this case #1112082183235047506 message

[digital radish]

the numbers are not going anywhere

[austere sun]

digits 1345

[digital radish]

???

[dapper wraith]

You need to have 64 DIFFERENT values in your alphabet to decode base64.

[digital radish]

oh i completely overlooked that

thank you for explaining it to me

since no one else could

<3

[austere sun]

[native maple]

Also that would cause problem with padding 0

[timid swift]

They do say pair programming is hard

[fossil wigeon]

on a side note, shoudl threading in python, when you start the same function with different arguments, essentially speed it up by the "same amount" as many threads you start if you have the cores/threads in a cpu?

because my attempt only made it slower, quite noticably

[digital radish]

alright its fixed

import threading
import itertools


c = 0
def doCount(count):
    global c
    c += 1
    b64charset = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789+/"
    
    alphabet = f'ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{count}+/'
    try:
        b64string = b64string.translate(str.maketrans(str(alphabet), b64charset))
        decoded = base64.b64decode(b64string)
        print(decoded.decode())
    except:
        pass

def progress():
    print(f'Alphabets tried: {c}/3628800')
    threading.Timer(2, progress).start()

progress()
for number in itertools.permutations('0123456789', 10):
    string = ''
    for l in number:
        string = string + l
    doCount(string)

thanks for the kind soul who made me remember how custom alphabets work

[timid swift]

Very short tasks will be slower when parallelized because there's an overhead for coordinating all the threading stuff. If you assign a bigger chunk of work to the thread it should be faster

[fossil wigeon]

it was essentially a for i in range() with starting points incremented for each thread, steps equal to the amount of started threads. It's odd then, I'll check it out later then

[digital radish]

('0', '1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', '8', '9')

[austere sun]

yeah, i am stupid

i just do ''.join()

[digital radish]

i often forget that exists

anyways nothing came up

imma go watch bleach

bye

[native maple]

[gritty blaze]

I doubt it's custom alphabet...

[native maple]

We can't really rule out permutations stuff

[austere sun]

yeah it makes sense to at least first xor it all

[timid swift]

Same, but i doubt it's any of our divergent ideas. Which means that any divergent idea is as good as the next

Go ahead

[gritty blaze]

If it's custom alphabet it still needs to follow the same rules, yes?

[native maple]

Rules ?

[cosmic grail]

A-z0-9+/ afaik

[native maple]

You just need 64 unique characters iirc

[cosmic grail]

That's too

[split zenith]

any progress engineers?

[native maple]

Just waiting for numbers III the longer we wait the more banger songs we get it's a win win

[austere sun]

numbers iv is just going to be slowly spelled out iv key for aes decrypting (because get it iv is 4 very funny)

[native maple]

Is SoundCloud down ?

[eternal timber]

We did discover some other cool music like an Vedal AI cover of Study and some breakcore artist who used Neuro in her songs

[eternal timber]

Seems to work for me

[timid swift]

Depends since when https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BCpJA-2GlmjzrxFIEA2pq5Xt6QuAaUI-2L_iAcAnl6Y/edit#gid=521227060

[native maple]

Weird work on my phone not my pc

Even more weird i can only open SoundCloud in Firefox

[eternal timber]

SOUNDCLOUD IS IN ON THE ARG for the record I tried to open it in Firefox too (it's my default browser)

[gritty blaze]

0 at start is MD, 1 is MT, 2 is MJ, so in custom alphabet let's say M is O, so 0 needs to be OD, 1 to be OT, and 2 needs OJ, no?

[native maple]

I don't know about all that

[gritty blaze]

So why you asked like you know lol

[native maple]

I asked because i don't know about any rules hence the "rules ?"

[gritty blaze]

Ohh ok

Logic says it should follow the same rules...

[timid swift]

You guys have any theories on how to fix the QR code from last night?

[gritty blaze]

It's the same, no?

[timid swift]

As what? The one on stream? It doesn't have the dog-like symbol at the middle that people pointed out

[fickle ginkgo]

anyway I can help?

[cosmic grail]

Which one?

[timid swift]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1unZh04RMJbVx0d8DVP8OP0ZdnFy1lKVyNiL3xcnV8NI/edit#heading=h.wkoo0lhjsnfo

[timid swift]

If you aren't already, getting up to speed is a great first move! https://docs.google.com/document/d/17KrbPUAVu4wDTbj3sBtWTnjRsjDTCdh89F_5L1LvX0A/edit# (:

[native maple]

only solution would be to build it back by hand

[cosmic grail]

There is 1 line continuation

[austere sun]

it was already fixed wasnt it

someone even posted link here and i posted text from link

[timid swift]

If so I missed it when i went through the chat history

I only saw one where they added the validation squares

[native maple]

the fix version is still missing a fair bit of half blocks$

[austere sun]

they added validation squares after the link was posted

[fossil wigeon]

i rotated the missing pieces into place, but I doubt it would scan as anything else

[native maple]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:QR_Ver3_Codeword_Ordering.svg

[austere sun]

it was this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1112082183235047506/1115048935719964793/image.png

[native maple]

nice

more cryptic useless message

Anny reacting to Vedal engineer

[river mantle]

she watch it!!1

[lapis sinew]

she watch it!

[crimson tendon]

@lapis sinew has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)

[timid swift]

Am i reading this right then that there was enough error correction data that it could scan correctly then?

[lapis sinew]

finally

[lapis sinew]

[native maple]

it was already scan it seems

she skipped it

[river mantle]

[spark loom]

[timid swift]

Perfect, i understand now. The QR scanner I was using was crap

[native maple]

there is millions of them it happense i guess idk i didn't try it

[timid swift]

so that leaves only the IP address then?

[native maple]

from wikipedia the majority of cells is E thats seems wrong idk

[timid swift]

How do they seem wrong? It scans it seems

[native maple]

maybe i missunderstand but E is for error correction not real data no ?

[austere sun]

what ip address

[timid swift]

yes and no. It's like having two copies of the data but only the D block is represented normally. The E block i'm assuming is doing some clever maths to make itself readable with a lot of error -- like cutting of the entire data section

[timid swift]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1unZh04RMJbVx0d8DVP8OP0ZdnFy1lKVyNiL3xcnV8NI/edit#heading=h.drje5r932ob4

[austere sun]

[native maple]

oh so similar to RAID storage i guess

[austere sun]

it's just alphabet
3 -> c
12 -> l
21 -> u
5 -> e

c.l.u.e

[river mantle]

CLUE!!!

[timid swift]

lmao

[native maple]

[timid swift]

Alright, well that's those two squared away I guess. Thanks for filling in the blanks everyone!

[native maple]

OMG it's a Clue

[timid swift]

3k subs lol

[native maple]

yea _neurosama is a pro youtuber

even tho she doesn't put closed caption on her music videos

[coral ibex]

https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/439684/using-simple-linear-algebra-for-encryption#439690

Mfw

This is a thing

Might be a waste of time but it also might work

[native maple]

day after day we discover that more things are things

[coral ibex]

Makes a bit more sense

[timid swift]

It's as good as any other divergent idea, really (:

[coral ibex]

I'd work this out but I'm on mobile atm

[eternal timber]

Yeah at this point anything is worthwhile trying (:

[timid swift]

DW the ARG isn't running away. You got time lol

[native maple]

so the key is an equation ?

[eternal timber]

Possible - since Numbers 2 says start with X and end with Y

It really bothers me how there's a light & dark neuro on the screen during those lines tho... I crave understanding

[coral ibex]

Oh no the arg grew legs

[timid swift]

Quick, get the rope.

[native maple]

if you look at it all rows are the same only the 3rd and 4th has a slight variation

[timid swift]

I still just think of lagtrain when i see that. Someone commented that other videos do that too tho

[vapid token]

#neurotic-neurons message

[scenic epoch]

My thought went to binary, but it doesn't seem to have any particular connection.

[eternal timber]

It bothers me that some of this stuff is synced with the numbers... maybe it's just visuals but if it were, why not have 4 neuros at the end of each line??? or if it's an oscilating order, why the flipped neuros? why the four neuros?

[native maple]

thats why whoever made the screenshots wrote the numbers on it i guess

maybe we need to mutiply by the number of neuros ?

[coral ibex]

Doesnt seem likely, as the second and third photos don't seem to align with a variable approach (unless I'm misunderstanding)

oh wait

What if normal Neuro is 1 and inverted is 2

[past grove]

Well we have a numbers and a number of neuro's. Maybe this refered to the amount of 1+1 | 1+2 we need to do which each number? But even then. What about the final one or the ones without a number 🤔

[coral ibex]

1321 is divisible by 3, but 743 isn't nvm my theory

[coral ibex]

Maybe we solve for them?

[past grove]

Maybe i am still not sure, how we would do it.
It is really annoying that I am on a trip right now.

[coral ibex]

As long as we can prove one neuros "answer" as correct we have the solution

That's the basic of math proofs

[past grove]

Can be, but it can also be a sequence based problem, in this case we need to find the rule of the sequence

[coral ibex]

Im thinking going off this and trying to correlate (723,743, and 879,875 ) as those are the closest in values

[past grove]

Oh this could work

[unique mason]

i wish i could help rn ;-;

exam tmr

[timid swift]

You can help the day after tomorrow! Seems like we've still not solved much. You've got time.

[unique mason]

aight

[past grove]

I think it is also possible that the numbers and neuro's have nothing to do with each other and are 2 problems hidden in one to confuse us

[timid swift]

yes, that is entirely possible

[coral ibex]

If this is the case then we would eventually solve something, no?

Whether it's numbers 2 or whatever the neuros are doing

Or it's a red herring lol

[past grove]

I mean we said the same with Numbers and we are still not finished with that

Maybe the whole ARG is a red herring

[coral ibex]

It's free promo for neurocord woo

[timid swift]

maybe you're a red herring (:

[river mantle]

don't let ARG red herring you from the fact that vedal didn't pay neuro!!!

[past sandal]

that's why some've said "great schizo period"

[past grove]

🔴

[vapid token]

Well I still have two theories. We have to keep waiting for more videos/clues or we have missed something.

[native maple]

probably the second

[gritty blaze]

I have a feeling that maybe I know what this ARG is about.

It's a promotion to v3 voice

[past grove]

I think based on what we have gathered it is lore

[gritty blaze]

idk feels strange.

Vedal said that he wants to jump from v1 to v3, because he found a way to make a really good voice.

And the voice in the arg videos is really good

[timid swift]

If we choose to wait we're gonna turn better hints a self fulfilling prophesy. Unless the puppetmaster has diamond hands they're gonna want to drop easier and easier clues if no progress is made and no intrigue is created.

[vapid token]

But I don't see the point of figuring it all out then. Be the first to know about a new voice? The first to leave an opinion on it?

[gritty blaze]

It could have been designed as hard as possible for a purpose, to let us suffer and to hear the voice so much time that we will link it to Neuro easily.

[vapid token]

Agree

[timid swift]

Personally I'm here for the journey, not the goal

[gritty blaze]

It's like training a dog

[native maple]

in before Vedal annouce he created his own chatGPT and the ARG is for finding beta tester

[vapid token]

Good point, it's all really interesting

[limber torrent]

woof~

[timid swift]

brainwashing the swarm to like the new voice whether they want it or not lmao

[gritty blaze]

Yea kind of

[vapid token]

Nah, that voice is really good.

For me at least

[past grove]

Void/Evil Neuro voice was pretty good

[gritty blaze]

It's much better than v1 and v2

And it's sound kind of like Fauna, almost as if she donated her voice to Neuro.

[timid swift]

Hm, maybe it's time we try utilizing known attacks for the various broken modern encryption algorithms

[gritty blaze]

If it's something advanced we need a quantum computer.

[timid swift]

quantum computers are still useless, unfortunately. Even if we could rent time on one, which is astronomically expensive, they're essentially useless for now, until the tech gets better.

[gritty blaze]

If you want to crack something advanced you will need to wait more than the age of the universe with the current technology unless you are using super computer and even then it will be too much time.

[timid swift]

ye, that's why i specifically want to look at known broken modern ciphers. single-DES seems to have been broken, as is inappropriately using an OTP key for multiple messages.

[native maple]

might be DES to be fair i think most people tried AES

[timid swift]

DES is older, so i'm just gonna assume because it's weaker, it's more likely i'll get my head around it. What confuses me is that it doesn't seem like there's any tools for actually breaking DES automatically. I guess human intuition is still required (for now)

[native maple]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFF_DES_cracker

seems pretty strong even tho it's says that

[timid swift]

are you sure that's not for triple-DES?

[native maple]

no idea

[timid swift]

single-DES was discarded early on afaik because it wasn't strong. So they made triple-DES instead

[native maple]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9119046/brute-forcing-des-with-a-weak-key wait someone got that as an assignment

Course on Cryptography are wild

[coral ibex]

lol "just implement the algorithm"

do we know the key size if it is DES?

[native maple]

im reading in the comments it says 56bits ?

so 7 char but the overflow question is about 64bit key so i guess you can go higher

As CodeInChaos figured out, only 31 characters need to be tested, because DES ignores every 8th bit of the key, making for example ASCII characters b: *0110001*0 and c: *0110001*1 identical in encryption/decryption when used as a part of the key.

that one comment is interesting tho

[timid swift]

I took a uni crypto-I course like 10 years ago. I briefly understood most of it, but it left my brain so quick! These days I only really remember the concept of block cipherss, expanding keys, and onetimepad/manytimeuse attacks. It was like wild math stuff (compared to my skill-level at least)

And that was just crypto-I

[digital radish]

we arent suposed to bruteforce it

dont waste your money on computers

[timid swift]

probably not, no. That's why I'm looking for known attack vectors

[digital radish]

vedal would say the same

[native maple]

why would someone spend money on this

[digital radish]

idk ask the people who spent 10k bits

[native maple]

i know right

[timid swift]

was there any vedal-turtle merch? After this I'd buy one so I can shake it.

[tawdry narwhal]

don't spend money, simply open it in firefox

[native maple]

not even a vedal turtle plush

there was stickers iirc

[timid swift]

the end of the arg better be tutle plush reveal

I'm not gonna shake a sticker.

[native maple]

put the sticker on centrifuge, turn speed to max, watch turtle transform into green goo

[timid swift]

It's not the same

[native maple]

I opened it on Firefox my pc exploded whats the next step ?

[timid swift]

Offer you cat, Mittens, to the almighty Neuro

[fickle ginkgo]

Can anyone recommend me music just like the Study video, it should be a full album tbh

[timid swift]

https://www.youtube.com/c/lofigirl comes to mind, but it's not exactly the same

[fickle ginkgo]

any other?

[austere sun]

isn't it just jazz

[timid swift]

Nothing else comes to mind really, but then I'm no expert. We could ask #music or check if it has been asked before

[reef spruce]

Look for "lofi beats" and you should find something.

[timid swift]

isn't that usually without vocals?

[whole junco]

I assumed this was algebra. each nuero being a number

[dapper wraith]

What if "Open" in FireFox isn't about the browser but the movie? Maybe it's a hint that we need to use huffman coding

[timid swift]

Wow. Just wow

[hollow garnet]

not huffman coding

[coral ibex]

theres also a book related to this

[glad horizon]

book chapter -> page -> line -> word encoding?

[coral ibex]

is it really a book cipher

ill look into it ig

[whole junco]

not much into programming stuff, what can you all do with these numbers:

5130-4893-1544-0 (or ending 3630)

got them off treating Numbers 2 like algabra questions

[austere sun]

if ending you mean instead of zero it's 16 digits, so plug them in as aes-128 key
but the chance for it to work is basically 0

[river mantle]

Same qr again

[austere sun]

i just noticed there's vedal sleeping, was it always there lmao

[eternal timber]

No he's new

usually it's a cat

[native maple]

december 19th thats a clue he confirmed the dates we used

[rocky barn]

Has someone tried this already? https://github.com/phek/cipher_bruteforce

[timid swift]

Unsure, but wouldn't vigenere have to be language-text? Just garbled, but letters for reading and stuff all the same

[cosmic grail]

Any progress?

[coral ibex]

Not sure if I'm seeing things but I think the 4th panel of 3rd set of neuros on numbers ii isn't in the right spot

(the one that's flipped)

[dire orchid]

because lag train lol

which clearly this is inspired by

[gritty blaze]

How do I create google sheets file in the ARG drive?

[coral ibex]

you should be able to right click and add something

[obtuse basalt]

PASTA

[dire orchid]

PASTA???

[gritty blaze]

seems wrong

still give gibberish

[coral ibex]

gn!

gotcha

[gritty blaze]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gUbVc2BozBSCwOfHSsEu_A_cuLYXcPByDc9Sw7G_2Yg

This is what I did what the "DQ5z14ighWwiag7y+cWFQg=="

[coral ibex]

which code is this for?

forgot to ask

[half dome]

Actually, nvm, forget everything I said above, I am dumb, I've restarted my PC and put up the server back, was thinking that it would just reuse the last text I gave it, but no, it had a default text set up, so when I launched it it almost instantly showed me that there is a match...

[coral ibex]

damn

[half dome]

I'll just delete everything to not confuse people

[coral ibex]

same

[vernal cave]

On the last stream Vedal mentioned the song Anonymous M. I suppose this clip was the inspiration for the ARG related videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiqEEL7ac6M

[austere sun]

he just mentioned alex wants him to sing that it has nothing to do with anything

[vernal cave]

it's not arg solving thing, just a funny remark

[gritty blaze]

The amounts of dopamine I'm gonna get when we'll solve it, with all this sleepless nights.

[fast path]

[obtuse basalt]

computer hungry for pasta

[gritty blaze]

Yea, it's everywhere... I listened to it so many times its now recommend to me forever.

[plucky bronze]

how's progress

[rough pebble]

guess

[coral ibex]

We totally figured everything out and haven't been stuck trying things out /s

[obtuse basalt]

me being productive by counting beats

[coral ibex]

Me thinking I'm productive with the math stuff I did like yesterday that prob isnt related

[obtuse basalt]

I'm maximum copium with the time signatures
"They have to mean something"

[coral ibex]

I'm like medium copium with the math, it might be a solution but also completely wrong

[obtuse basalt]

just, what?
5-4-3-4?
54, 44, 34, 44?

[coral ibex]

I just hope the answer isn't obvious and we all are thinking about it 10000x more

[lethal sun]

Hi ppl, so im rather new to ARG, but i did look over this one, and in Study 10:21, for the .destinationNumber, im pretty sure its ...Wwlag... (2nd choice) instead of ...Wwiag... (leading), since the char at pos 11 is 1 pixel taller and doesn't have the cusp to the left...
I traced them out as well, compared to the "l" at pos 4 and "i" at pos 6: https://ibb.co/g49fhpg

[coral ibex]

You could make a comment about that on the docs also

[lethal sun]

ah right, ty

[burnt glacier]

Hey I've never done anything with ARGs so idk if this makes any sense, and idk if someone thought of this already, but I just had a thought while looking at the Study video that the glitch effect thing near the end of "I think I saw a ghost" could be a sort of barcode type thing? Idk I just thought so since it shows multiple different sized lines in different places for the glitch effect

like what I mean is if you somehow map out the various lines the glitch effect makes it could give a barcode or at least some type of clue

[coral ibex]

timestamp?

[burnt glacier]

26:10

and 8:40

those parts

I didn't know what else to call those lol

[coral ibex]

also, there is a doc with stuff people have found currently
not sure if you know about it/used it but its here https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qm6GSRlstTmjbyOFCuH1OhSmPK4pi4Aa

its also pinned but it takes a bit to scroll

might look into it to see if there is some merit, but i feel like that might just be a glitch effect ngl

[burnt glacier]

I know about it but I didn't want to put this thought in it so as not to lead people down a useless path if this doesn't make sense

[coral ibex]

theres been a lot of theories put out lol its fine

[burnt glacier]

yeah that's fair lol, I think it's probably just a glitch effect too

[burnt glacier]

ok, ig I'll add it then

[coral ibex]

more people leads to more thinking which is different ideas

which is good

[burnt glacier]

alr

[burnt glacier]

where should I put this theory, just at the bottom of the Study google doc?

[crimson tendon]

@burnt glacier has leveled up! (7 ➜ 8)

[burnt glacier]

oh yay I'm level 8

also wow, there is so much info in all those docs

[coral ibex]

yeah

you could make a comment or add it somewhere

[river mantle]

yep, just don't ask about a P-word

[coral ibex]

i dont remember where the study comments are

[burnt glacier]

ok

[coral ibex]

i been trying to get the fibonacci sequence out of numbers one and i made something cursed

[burnt glacier]

?

[river mantle]

Progression T^T

[burnt glacier]

ohhh haha ;-;

[coral ibex]

ah yes progression we have done lots of that

[fast path]

could put it at the bottom of study doc
maybe create new header and add images (if any) to make it clear what youre refering to

[burnt glacier]

ok, I feel like this isn't a big enough theory to warrant a header but I'll put it at the bottom and add images

[coral ibex]

also you guys think this is fine for a "transparent fibonacci sequence" picture for the docs? im not really sure what im doing but it seems somewhat good

[burnt glacier]

ok I put it in the doc

[fast path]

could just take from google, no?

or do you think maybe the one in the video is different?

[obtuse basalt]

I literally can't tell if that's there on amoled mode-

[coral ibex]

im not sure if the one from google is the same as the position changes in the video

also the one in video has a border around it (although idk if it matters)

i can try overlapping it and seeing if it matches

[sturdy nebula]

hey cool that you mentioned it, cause i started looking into that, mainly the one at the second 'uʍop uǝllɐɟ', that seems to have the same glitch offset pattern as the others, but longer

Not sure if there is info hidden there, but from what I noticed the offset lines have 30 possible heights, and there are 693 frames. I was considering making a 30x693 grid with the offsets and directions, just didn't have the time to do it, and it might be simpler than that

I think ill try to organize what i got and add a doc

[burnt glacier]

oh cool!

I actually didn't watch the whole video, just looked at various time stamps, so I didn't know that the second uʍop uǝllɐɟ has that lol

[timid swift]

I guess there was nothing ARGy going on in the devstream yesterday? Other that CLUE!!!! memes :p

I was doing the sleep thing for the backhalf of the stream

[white ingot]

Not really and when he doesn mention it, it's hard to tell whethe he's taking a piss or not.

[hardy burrow]

:HUH:

[coral ibex]

he WHAT?

oh i get it

[timid swift]

br*tish slang lul

[coral ibex]

ok another schizo theory what if the binary from numbers 2 is binary encoded decimal

ive lost it for today i think

[timid swift]

as crazy as any other theory. let's do it!

[coral ibex]

decoding 01001011010010110100100101101010110010 (third row color flipped with a 010 beginning/end neuros added ) gives me 12-2-25+-2

lemme try spacing it out

nvm idk how to understand this

[white ingot]

Yeah sorry I find it appropriate to speak British when referring to Vedal

[white ingot]

You could be on to something. Who knows, it feels like we've exhausted at lot.

[coral ibex]

i dont think im in the right mindset atm but if youwanna try i used this website https://www.dcode.fr/binary-coded-decimal

[white ingot]

I'll take a look

[coral ibex]

i think i also was looking at fibonacci encoding on that same website but the numbers dont make sense when i decoded one of them successfully

[unique mason]

@timid swift Can i make a doc for updates on the fanfic on the drive? Cause itll basically be arg adjacent. Ill start on it tmr

[timid swift]

I don't see why not. Though there's a risk that people are gonna edit it and stuff, so you probably have to be comfortable with that. Since you're putting it on a share with us all and all :p

[unique mason]

ill only post updates on it. Until ive got the first draft ready, i'll feel too self concious about sharing it :L

updates and an expected timeline

[austere sun]

are the docs really the place for your personal blog on a fanfic

[unique mason]

thats why im asking

its arg adjacent so i thought it would make sense-

[austere sun]

why not just create an account on some fanfic sharing site and just share a link to that instead

[unique mason]

i mean... sure, but im only gonna post updates until the first draft is ready so it wouldnt really make much of a difference

[eternal timber]

I think what we could do is have a document of ARG Fan Art and link to it there

[timid swift]

That's a good idea We'll have a document linking unofficial but related works

[eternal timber]

ARG drive is for solving the ARG (for the most part) but once it's done and solved people might still want stuff related to it so having all the cool fun made stuff in one place would be pog

[river mantle]

ARG Universe!!

[spiral silo]

Man this is going slow..

[timid swift]

Now the real ARG begins

Time to think long and deep

[river mantle]

the real ARG is the amount of fanfic we made along the way

[restive wagon]

If we just don't make any more progress, we therefore get more of the banger soundtracks for the _neurosama channel 🤔

[fickle ginkgo]

good point

I want more neuro study music

[dire orchid]

[obtuse basalt]

we'll make progress when we get the drop of I think I saw a ghost

[manic dagger]

[native maple]

[white ingot]

I'll make more progress once Study gets uploaded on Spotify

[river mantle]

I think I saw a ghost full version is gonna make us go further in CTF hunt alot ngl

[coral ibex]

Have we tried XORing the static in the study video with some other static? it could lead us to an image

Oh wait it's just overlaying

[timid swift]

I have seen no proof of that in the docs, so I'm gonna assume no

[coral ibex]

I'll try that when I get to my computer

[native maple]

yea we didn't do much XOR even tho some hints might relate to that

[timid swift]

Could try XORing a bunch of random stuff as well, like the cipher texts and the random key phrases we've got

[river mantle]

i'm not even know wth is XOR lolz

[timid swift]

in this context it's a math/CS way to combine two messages into a third.

[native maple]

XOR is a logical operator so it change the bit values, so when you compare two set of bytes at the same place if there is 1 vs 0 XOR return 1 and so one and so forth

the only CS usefulness i know of is to swap values wich you do with a = b XOR a XOR (b = a) but you can do the same thing with + and - so it not useful and also most modern programming language just have a,b = b,a

[gritty blaze]

It can be anything at this point. Numbers II just made everything harder... We need a real clue or at least official lyrics, people are not even sure 100% what the lyrics are, and if the lyrics play a role and import it becomes much harder to solve. Imagine to solve it you need to do something with the lyrics, but you are mistaken and they are true only for 95%. This 5% of unsure lyrics can ruin everything.

[native maple]

i don't think Numbers II made things harder

[crimson tendon]

@native maple has leveled up! (11 ➜ 12)

[coral ibex]

we have a small part of the "official" lyrics for numbers 1 from the soundcloud, but i dont think numbers ii is making things harder

we have more information but nothing conclusive yet

[gritty blaze]

It's the part almost no one questioned about...

[native maple]

if you try to solve a jigsaw blind and then someone throw more pieces to you it's not making it harder cause you still can't see

[half dome]

Numbers II just gave us "numbers to study numbers"

[native maple]

it can make it easier tho, like if the piece thrown at you are corner pieces

[coral ibex]

now im wondering if theres some significance to having roman numerals instead of just "2"

[native maple]

could be part 2 also

[coral ibex]

anyone try roman numerals for the instructions for numbers

[native maple]

nope could be smart tho

"matching all the letters" as Roman numerals

[coral ibex]

also idk if i wanna go thru 741 frames of static

im gonna go insane and claim theres something there when there isnt

[native maple]

if you do it you might make it in the next MAN video
#1112082183235047506 message

[half dome]

Oh, ye, I had a pretty crazy thought at some point, that the golden ratio image could be applied to static frames to reveal QR code or something.
That said, my motivation to look for it died faster, than I came up with this idea.

[eternal timber]

There's 4 golden ration spirals in Numbers 1 like the four sequences of V1 in Numbers 2

[native maple]

hmm

4 spirals every 4 seconds

lot of 4s

it do be a bad number in some cultures

[coral ibex]

LMAOM WHAT THIS IS AMAZING

omg

[native maple]

yeah it's the best

[coral ibex]

ngl i wanna do this now

[native maple]

[eternal timber]

Yeah the MAN video is incredible

[gritty blaze]

Jigsaw? You mean puzzle?

[native maple]

yes it was just an analogy

[gritty blaze]

What if it's a piece of the same shape but from another puzzle.

You will get the wrong picture.

[coral ibex]

ngl if ppl are down i could prob make music for this since i kinda do that but idk how to encapsulate the schizoness of neuroarg

[native maple]

well if it's still fits it's good enough Dev mentality

[eternal timber]

Similarly, the Sino-Japanese, Sino-Korean and Sino-Vietnamese words for "four", shi (し, Japanese) and sa (사, Korean), sound similar or identical to "death" in each language
(Looked it up, was familiar with the Japanese one but not the other ones )

[native maple]

also i doubt vedal would throw us pieces unrelated to the puzzle

[eternal timber]

There's stuff like the Enigma Machine which said: "Your princess is in another castle" so idk

[native maple]

thats was someone else people just kept believeing everything and not working on the clues coming from the youtube channel

[eternal timber]

Okay I made a weird discovery

Schizo discovery of the day

So I was staring at the lyrics for numbers 2

201 1321 5831 - 12
723 743 4913 - 12
879 875 2145 - 12
716 906 4156 - 12

[timid swift]

12?

[eternal timber]

Each one of these have a perfect 12 syllables... I was thinking, how? if the numbers are random / mean something mathematical, shouldn't it be more uneven?

So I continued counting!

Check this out:

[native maple]

12 syllables is pretty good stantard for song too

[eternal timber]

201 - 4 
1321 - 4
5831 - 4
723 - 4
743 - 4
4913 - 4
879 - 4
875 - 4
2145 - 4
716 - 4
906 - 4
4156 - 4

Why

[timid swift]

makes sense since it's sung

[eternal timber]

True true but also... maybe there's some other meaning to it? like the first line has an extra number for example

I mean extra digit / character in the middle row

Maybe it's the outlier?

[native maple]

in French we have a metric called "Alexandrin" for rythm where each lyrics adds up to 12 and usually you split with 4/4/4 or 6/6 for easy add up to 12

[eternal timber]

Yeah that's fair and all but - the song mentions Syl-la-bles, Syl-la-bles which has me curious if that's a clue to something too

[native maple]

i mean it's hard to make one unintentionally for sure

and making 4 of them in a row

i can't really figure out the clue tho 🤔 if there was one that is different i would say it's the odd one out

[eternal timber]

If you check the docs for Numbers II there's sort of two "outliers"

[austere sun]

what the hell is this, stop spamming docs with your

also i am moving static to archived

[native maple]

new people that joined probably

[austere sun]

????

[native maple]

huh

did someone dropped their homework in the wrong drive

[atomic plinth]

lmao

maybe its a clue

[dapper wraith]

@vernal wolf sharing his homework with us

[austere sun]

do we really need a doc of someone documenting hearing voices???

[native maple]

what even is Meliponiculture

[timid swift]

lmao, i think someone saved their homework in the wrong drive

[past grove]

Apartently this ?

[native maple]

hmm interesting

[timid swift]

perhaps we should not be so critical, that'll just start fights. I'm in favor of letting people document what they believe to be relevant. If you think it's too broad, you're welcome to make the elite document yourself (:

[native maple]

i think the problem is about it not being in the document everyone uses

[burnt glacier]

since neuro always goes schizo maybe we need to go schizo as well to solve the ARG lol

[gritty blaze]

Lmao I laughed so hard everyone looked at me

[past grove]

I think Enou just simply created a new doc not realasing he is still in the Neuro ARG Drive

[austere sun]

there are 2 sections about this in study doc, at least have the conscience to put it there

[timid swift]

You think people are being disorganized on purpose?

[austere sun]

i'd love to answer yes

[timid swift]

but?

[native maple]

most people will instinctively take the path of least effort can't really blame people

[timid swift]

ye, plus all this text is overwhelming to a lot of people

[native maple]

damn i lived a harsh education then

aren't textbook like 100x worst ?

[fast path]

it's not a big deal, just ask the creator to move their findings to the relevant doc and remove the homework from the drive

[timid swift]

Ye, no big deal

we fix

[native maple]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-the-builder-gif-21863917

[timid swift]

now put a picture of neuro in the corner

[austere sun]

world.execute(me) doc is also going either into solved or archived, decide which one right now

[past grove]

Archived