artist-alley

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it still could run win11~ I just don't turn on that bios thing

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So 8th gen Intel or newer
That's not that bad

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Even then~ I'm pretty sure even high-end cpus would lag on 3000+ bone skeleton

[oak hamlet]

I hope you run Linux on it though

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[oak hamlet]

Very impressive

I could not make anything like that

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I can't run linux~ my brain too smooth for that

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[warm spoke]

it's open source, anyone can (with the right pc)

[oak hamlet]

But free performance

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[oak hamlet]

My skills end at this

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[oak hamlet]

I make vocal synthesizers

And then use those vocal synthesizers

And mix stuff

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[oak hamlet]

I have literally no idea

I don't understand chords

[jaunty quiver]

yeah, but it really seems complicated for starters and well, I got way too used to windows now

[oak hamlet]

Fully anyway

I have no skills in instrumental

Only vocal

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[oak hamlet]

Linux Mint Cinnamon
It's designed to be easy to transition to from Windows

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I so wanna see the Vertcount on that thing

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[oak hamlet]

That I at least understand

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[oak hamlet]

Flats and sharps I do encounter with vocal synths

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I will try it someday~ if I'm forced to

[oak hamlet]

You should try it right now

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[oak hamlet]

You can just put it on a USB and boot off of the USB

[warm spoke]

oh, that's low

[oak hamlet]

Unlike Windows you don't need to install Linux to use it

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ohhh pretty lowpoly

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me?

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[oak hamlet]

Linux is a good operating system that can boot purely off of a USB drive

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just a hobbyist

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for sure

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[oak hamlet]

Either way, 3D modeling and instrumental music are basically black magic to me
But give me a vocal synth or the software to make one and I'll immediately know what to do

[warm spoke]

cool

[jaunty quiver]

I'm pretty sure you could technically do this to windows as well~

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[oak hamlet]

Buuuuut
Linux does it by default

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[oak hamlet]

I'd probably do better in rocket science true

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[oak hamlet]

At least that's just math

Music needs you to think way too hard

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Box finally made his way to artists chat with his linux propaganda

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Crazy how a full aircraft model is much lowpoly than my anime/humanoid model

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How do you do hard surface modeling with blender is what blow my mind

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[jaunty quiver]

or is it still poly modeling?

oh

[oak hamlet]

I'd have better luck trying to throw stuff at the wall to make a vocal synth out of thin air than composing music

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[oak hamlet]

Making vocal synthesizers is actually really fun, if you have a spare couple weeks and a 3090 lying around you should totally try it

And then afterwards making songs and covers using your new vocal synthesizer is really fun too

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Reducing verts~ I have a bit of experience to this, I used to port models to goldsrc(half-life 1), a 90's game engine, I like turn 50k vert models to 10k-15k
I'd say its not that complicated as long as that model have proper quads

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Edge loops dissolving is the easiest

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so true

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Yeah ik that feeling~ those demn non-planar faces

they sneak at you everytime

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Yeah tris are very necessary at times

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Ja?

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I believe that

I started blender just to port/mod in game models 8 years ago

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[warm spoke]

i wanted to model a goat

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Source engine in particular

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uh yeah

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the animal

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[warm spoke]

sureeee

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Humanoid? Thats the one I'm kind of used to, stylized/anime style ones atleast

I havent tried realistic humans

[warm spoke]

i really have to try that

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[jaunty quiver]

but you are doing it in blender~ a program which isnt made for hard surface modeling~ how is that not hard

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I can't relate really~ I still think its hard

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I havent tried with blueprints before~ maybe thats what I'm missing

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[jaunty quiver]

Blender Temp files are your friend there

I dodged data loss a couple of times thanks to those

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Yeah I like blender makes a lot of temp files~ a bunch within windows temp folders, and another one with .blend1 extension

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[jaunty quiver]

Its poly modeled~ but this is prolly my best hardsurface model I made

eeesh its bad

I forgot to turn off solidify/outlines

[queen arch]

3400 bones!?

[jaunty quiver]

Yeppers

[queen arch]

even my model with 6 pairs of arms, a centaur bit, hair, chains, cloth bones, rigging bones (FK, IK, muscles, etc) ended up 500 bones

[warm spoke]

uhh, does someone know how to exit this mode ?

😭

[queen arch]

sculpt mode?

just hit tab

or use this dropdown menu

[jaunty quiver]

2900 of them are extras added by rigify, the metarig only has 601 bones

[queen arch]

wuh

what is it doing with all dat

[jaunty quiver]

extras like IK/FK switch, twists and a bunch more

[queen arch]

yeah but I have that stuff too

[jaunty quiver]

Do you use your own rig or another autorig?

[warm spoke]

no no, i entered a focus mode and i can't exit it

[queen arch]

I set it up myself

[queen arch]

f11?

nvm it's not that

[warm spoke]

f11 is for render

[jaunty quiver]

I dont have the patience to setup those stuff so

its just convenient

[queen arch]

I tried rigify when I was starting out, but I didn't understand anything so I got frustrated and just did it manually

months later I see other people rig and remember there is a such a thing as autorig setups lol

now I've gotten to the point where I don't mind doing it manually

it's not that much more work

[jaunty quiver]

I'm more worried about the switches and stuff, You also have to setup drivers for them, its a lot of hassle

[warm spoke]

nvm, i found out

[jaunty quiver]

I do still make my own rigs, just not for bipeds

[queen arch]

okay fair, but like, for the stuff I do

I'd have to really learn to use rigify

cause I can't just slap the basic humanoid thing and call it a day

[jaunty quiver]

its fairly easy to setup metarigs~ all the extras can be added in rigify samples

if you want an extra limbs~ you can get it there

[queen arch]

hmm

would it work for this thing

[jaunty quiver]

yep 100%

[queen arch]

[jaunty quiver]

Your metarig should roughly look like this:

Generated rig:

[silver field]

i ain't got $80

[oak hamlet]

The UTAU in question:

[jaunty quiver]

I messed the arms up
heres a roughly fixed one

needs a bit more finetuning~ but yeah, its very versatile

[queen arch]

-# there are two bodies on the arms, one is covered by the other from the sketch pov

I might try it out

[jaunty quiver]

oh 2 bodies in each arms?

yeah just do the same thing

[queen arch]

Yeah they spiral around each other

Likewise on the legs

Tbf I'm contemplating rigging the bodies/ the sepertine thing for some coof idle animations

[jaunty quiver]

one thing rigify is missing tho is IK spine~

[queen arch]

Though... I could convert those to blendshapes

[jaunty quiver]

[queen arch]

Like having the serpentine stuff wriggle around

[jaunty quiver]

hmmmm I think those stuff are better left off with shapekeys?

[queen arch]

Yeah, but it would easier to rig, animate then convert to blendshapes

[jaunty quiver]

you could also use bones for them~ I suggest using bendybones for them

[queen arch]

Aye

[jaunty quiver]

yeah~ that'd be one crazy rig ur attempting there

[queen arch]

Every new character I have to step up my game

https://jinxxy.com/Phantasmal/Termina and this was my last character

[jaunty quiver]

Yeah~ I'm prolly not up for that~ Lemme just stuck up to stylized humanoids

I've only done Bipeds only

[queen arch]

I mean, she is a stylized humanoid of a sort

[jaunty quiver]

Technically yes

Thats some crazy work~ are those brush models?

[queen arch]

I've done two spiders, but the rest is humanoid

[queen arch]

Brush?

[jaunty quiver]

Yeah brush modeled

[queen arch]

Do you mean Zbrush?

Otherwise I don't know what you're talking about

Texture painting?

-# in that case yes

[jaunty quiver]

in blender terms sculpted

[warm spoke]

that's so coool

[queen arch]

Ahhh

Uhh, I roughly sculpted then I used modelling to clean up the final model

Then I retopoed for performance

[jaunty quiver]

holy 🔥

[warm spoke]

y'all are so talented, that's inspiring

[jaunty quiver]

Thats on another level from me

[queen arch]

No you're amazing

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The full model of this~ just sharing

[warm spoke]

so well made

[sleek ferry]

looks great

[jaunty quiver]

Kanoe crazy

[warm spoke]

mind goes rfeurdberdezdz

[jaunty quiver]

[warm spoke]

is that a character you created ? like, the design and all ?

[jaunty quiver]

I modeled it but uhhhh
She's a character from blue archive

[warm spoke]

ohhh okay !

[jaunty quiver]

yhe one i posted with the jacket earlier tho~ that one is 100% made by me, designs and all

[warm spoke]

really motivates me to continue learning character modeling

[jaunty quiver]

yeah keep at it~ its really fun

until you UVMap

[warm spoke]

[queen arch]

this?

[jaunty quiver]

idk its just tedious and unfun~ Rigging is tedious too but seeing your character move overshadows the pain

[queen arch]

-# I can't see the model, it's covered by the 3000 bones

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[queen arch]

UVing for me is just: mark seam, unwrap minimal stretch, pack uvs, and done

[warm spoke]

true true

[queen arch]

I don't bother with straightening it out

[jaunty quiver]

This one's a better pic

[queen arch]

cute

[jaunty quiver]

auto unwrapping is kind of unreliable for me

[queen arch]

why?

it works so long as you don't have like, a hole

no it works with holes too

but, really depends on where you put your uv seams

[jaunty quiver]

Sometimes the shape they produce are weird and stuff

And those weird shapes often waste a lot of UVspace~ so I have to manually adjust them

The most painful part

[queen arch]

huh

[warm spoke]

i like blender kit so much

[queen arch]

these are the UVs I got from the aforementioned process

[jaunty quiver]

🧱

[queen arch]

brick shark

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smart unwrap is bad

[jaunty quiver]

My OCD is kicking in

[queen arch]

it's not smart unwrap, just unwrap minimal stretch

[queen arch]

-# it doesn't matter, all that matters is texel density

[warm spoke]

[queen arch]

well, I know some people take it a step further and align the UVs of the mesh to the grid so that the pixels are straight

[jaunty quiver]

idk it looks like itd be a pain to texture in photoshop

[queen arch]

I... don't texture in photoshop

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tho with manually marked seam lines I guess it's alright, need some post cleanups according to the actual model you want to texture, but it's generally alright

[queen arch]

just directly texture paint in blender

[warm spoke]

you really texture in photoshop ?!

ucupaint is a life saver

[jaunty quiver]

Yeah~

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uhh...

this is not production ready for sure

[jaunty quiver]

I'm very reliant on pen tool~ but since ucupaint doesnt have it, I can't

[warm spoke]

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get Substance 3D

I think it's included in the Adobe subscription

[warm spoke]

you have to pay more no ?

[jaunty quiver]

I heard it has a pentool? I might actually try a trial

[queen arch]

if it works it works

[jaunty quiver]

Well I still prioritize clean looking uv than wasted UVspace

[queen arch]

I made this uv map but look at how much wasted space there is

[warm spoke]

a LOT more holy

[jaunty quiver]

Yeah that one is great for me~ it looks very clean

I can pass off some wasted UV space it just has to look clean and friendly for 2D editing programs

[jaunty quiver]

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you mixing tris and quads

topology ruined

[queen arch]

this is my last uv map that's meant for asymmetric details (the first map has the details mirrored)

[jaunty quiver]

Tris are necessary too

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That one is a bit iffy for me

[queen arch]

this is what guilty gear face topology looks like

triangles everywhere

but they serve a purpose

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at least not n-gons... phew

[queen arch]

and that purpose is! more control of the normals

[jaunty quiver]

Ngons can scram off

[jaunty quiver]

Yeah that looks really weird

[queen arch]

this is the last "normal" character I made

[jaunty quiver]

[queen arch]

she was a free request, I completed her in about 4 days

[jaunty quiver]

4 days?

[queen arch]

-# I needed a few extremely optimized avis under my belt for verification purposes

[jaunty quiver]

Thatd take me 10-30days

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and you lost the ability to sculpt and rig(or any surface deformations)

[queen arch]

since it was a free thingy I didn't want to use any more time than necessary

[queen arch]

they use blendshapes for facial expressions

tbh most anime models do that

[jaunty quiver]

Yeah its really off~ I'd expect it to have weird distortion with shapekeys and stuff

[queen arch]

I mean, there's a logic to it

like the ring around the mouth

[jaunty quiver]

what is blendscapes btw?

[queen arch]

it's like that so they can have the really exagerrated mouth expressions

[jaunty quiver]

The mouth yeah~ that makes a lot of sense

[queen arch]

blendshapes <-> shapekeys <-> morphs

[jaunty quiver]

oh

[jaunty quiver]

I've seen it in a lot of MMD models, its pretty normal

the topology around the eyes tho~ that one is weird

[queen arch]

it's the same thing

they can expand the eyes a lot

this is for rembrandt's triangle

if I'm remembering that correctly

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they model the inner oral cavity to do that, with normal topology on mouth, since moving your mouth means pushing cheeks/jaw outward, there's no need to preserve space for lip movements

[jaunty quiver]

I dont see how it works ngl

[queen arch]

lighting reason

[jaunty quiver]

oh

[queen arch]

I have it as well, tho I prefer just having it be flatly lit (the surface is not actually flat)

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but but but there are normal maps

[queen arch]

-# do you want to paint normals manually

[jaunty quiver]

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I use math

[jaunty quiver]

idk it seems pretty hard to shapekey distort those

[queen arch]

mm

wait, do they use blendshapes?

they might just use bones

[jaunty quiver]

[sage sparrow]

Hi!

[jaunty quiver]

I just use spherize for that~ no rembrant's traingle needed

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weight painting

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[sage sparrow]

How can i share my drawings here :0?

[queen arch]

you need to chat more to level up to unlock image privelleges

[sage sparrow]

WHAT!? how much lvl?

[queen arch]

idk, it's been a while since I unlocked mine

[jaunty quiver]

Just 1 I think

[sage sparrow]

What am i now :/

[queen arch]

check in #bot-channel

[jaunty quiver]

👆

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you need a thing called Embed perm, which grants you permissions to post an image here. It can be gained by talking in chat, you can always check you progress via sending t!rank in #bot-channel .

Furthermore, you can post your arts in #1095941852068331560 without the perm if you wanted.

[queen arch]

this was the last character I finished as a commission

[sage sparrow]

Thnx! :D

[queen arch]

-# it's to filter out spam/scam, probably

[jaunty quiver]

This reminds me of the arg for some reason

[queen arch]

study-sama

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yeah

[queen arch]

someone else mentioned the resemblance

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voronoi texture

[queen arch]

oh, and this is how Termina used to look before I unspidered her

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https://tenor.com/view/neuron-activation-neuron-gif-1455356329209493514

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awesome

[queen arch]

I went through two iterations of this character, this being the first

this being the second

and like that, I'm out of stuff to show off

-# well, I have more, just older stuff

[jaunty quiver]

those are arrays no? the wings

[queen arch]

I manually copied those feathers

well, I did do it in groups

arrays are too perfect

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[warm spoke]

[queen arch]

oh, after I made a single set of face wings, I rigged it

then I copy pasted it

and posed each

[jaunty quiver]

too bad you made that before the new array system
They added a randomize stuff in it now

[queen arch]

I didn't know that

i should check it out

[jaunty quiver]

its new in blender 5.0

[queen arch]

-# tbf geo nodes is insane, I just haven't used it much

or like, at all

I did make a house generator once

[jaunty quiver]

true~ Its a bit of a headache to learn~ I could use presets from others tho

[queen arch]

it was jank

[jaunty quiver]

tbh~ I wouldn't really rely on them for more technical stuff

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shader nodes > geometry nodes > compositor nodes

[warm spoke]

it has so much potential

[queen arch]

I use shader nodes all the time

[jaunty quiver]

idk how people use compositor nodes for crazy stuff~ all I can do with it are just post effects

[queen arch]

same

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my beloved ray tracer and fast fourier transform in compositer nodes

[jaunty quiver]

even the shader nodes~ idk how they can make terrain with just shader nodes

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[queen arch]

displacement + procedural height map

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just noise connected to displacement

[jaunty quiver]

is that how it is? cause some stuff I see have some grasses and stuff as well

[queen arch]

particles

tbf grass shaders do exist

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you can actually do it right now.

create a plane, subdivide it 5 times and shade smooth

noise texture(value) -> bump node(height) -> material output(displacement)

go to material settings and switch bump only to displacement only.

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I'm guessing the terrain and grass are all by geonodes instead of shader nodes

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https://tenor.com/view/makise-kurisu-kurisu-makise-christina-steins-gate-choked-gif-13165925082022631555

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an actual grass in shader node would require some deep messing with ray marching

[queen arch]

I must eep

👋

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at least in my computer graphics brain

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gn!

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night

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I'm tryign this rn

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kurisutina!!!

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am I doing this right?

ohhh it does work~ but it doesnt work when I plug the noise to height~ only on normal

[left vine]

Hey all

[warm spoke]

good night

[left vine]

Has anyone got any idea on how to make your design significant to others?

Like how to make your character design more meaningful to others?

[queen arch]

-# menial?

[left vine]

Maybe it’s just to create desirability in a person? But is this even possible with flat colours?

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arent you already asked that just recently

[warm spoke]

go to bed

[queen arch]

I mean, making your character look appealing is part of character design

[queen arch]

-# I am on my bed rn

Turned off pc lule

[left vine]

Liked=/=desirable

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https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

[warm spoke]

that's the way

[queen arch]

I mean, desirability is subjective

[jaunty quiver]

[queen arch]

But desirable in what way? Do you want to make them sexy? Cute? Cool?

[left vine]

True, but there’s levels to that even. Like the bottom being ‘I like them’ to top being “I’LL THROW EVERYTHING I HAVE TO GET THEIR MERCH”, y’know? I want to aim for the top category more now.

That’s the kind of success formula I’d desire for my characters.

[queen arch]

There's probably a lot of good yt videos on character design

[left vine]

Mhm, and I’d want more of it to reflect on my characters.

[queen arch]

It would be more productive to go find those and watch them me thinks

[left vine]

Like- make other artists envious…? I don’t know 😆

Like the kind that compels artists to draw random shit miis from a Nintendo direct

[queen arch]

-# making other artists envious is result of technical skill

[left vine]

What the hell kind of fornuka are they drinking?

The placeholder characters I mean

[jaunty quiver]

i cant really help here~ as someone who just makes characters just for my preference

[warm spoke]

i think that's also linked to the story of the character itself

[queen arch]

The way I do character design is I start from a theme

Then I just throw ideas at a wall until I find something I like

Like, my most recent theme was a person made of people that's still somehow appealing

[jaunty quiver]

[queen arch]

Without a theme/idea you're working with too broad of a search space

[left vine]

Looks at Tomodachi Life thumbnail Oh? Uhh that’s technical skill?

Well technically, j guess that’s social media market manipulating…

Hmm okay, than, what’s the energy found of artists drawing others oc’s? That’s desirability right? To draw them? What key design elements to oc’s have to have to become that?

[warm spoke]

you're envious of tomodachi life ?

[queen arch]

Uh, I don't know, I don't do fanart

[left vine]

I’ll do another round later.

[left vine]

Most of my stuff is that too though

Though I’m convinced my references really ain’t anybody else’s.

So- I don’t want my highly unpopular activities, to reflect poorly on my characters. 😭

[oblique badge]

there is no "key design elements" that would make people want to draw your oc, unless its nsfw stuff

[left vine]

Hmm, yeah!

[queen arch]

I mean, I wasn't sure if anyone would share my preferences either, but they did- to the tune of 500 dollars might I add

[left vine]

How- let’s assume someone doesn’t lick up your story. What’s the next step? Make charming characters on the cover!

So what elements can your character shave, that’ll bring jn more eyes? More charm ofc but what else makes the success rate higher?

[oblique badge]

its more about connection to character

[jaunty quiver]

only thing i could really think of is a character tied story~ a fairly popular manga character for example gets fanart from time to time

[queen arch]

The aura farmers are beloved

-# Toji my goat

[left vine]

Nah, but the other oc artist I saw ehh I was in art servers. Everyone wanted to draw theirs, but never mine. Even if I studied their designs… just like fashion- I have no sense to go off of! HWAT made their oc’s more interesting in design than mine? Surely mine can’t be that bland… and simplicity can be charming tin ain’t it?

This is all so I can see how others get good at character design to that level.

[jaunty quiver]

so hard getting a fnart just by design alone

[queen arch]

Just draw for yourself, eventually you'll get good enough that people will want to see more of your stuff

Or at least that's how it's been in my experience

[oblique badge]

true, its better to focus on yourself than compare to others

[left vine]

Ohh not a bad point.-^-.~?

But surely there is a running theme I’m missing

Otherwise, why Arne tiny humans and humanoids appealing to ost- when I designed them to be a mix of what I mostly like and general stuff? Maybe it’s too much what I like, or not enough general stuff. Y’know. It’s a concoction with percentages.

I don’t know what to say. I don’t even have an audience Which I feel like running with it. No eyes means I feel less embarrassed. If I suck THAT had at art, anyway. Most my stuff is non-coloured and story-focused, so I could get away with it probably./hjk

Like way so

Well okay that happened. Anyway I do think my peregrines are niche.

Huh? WHY’S MY TEXT LIKE THIS?

[warm spoke]

[left vine]

Ohh, it wasn’t loading.

[warm spoke]

text jumpscare

[left vine]

Weird weird

I wish I had pic perms but

But yeah. I don’t even know where to begin. But you can kinda just, see what I like in my current design.

[warm spoke]

you have embed perms

[left vine]

But when I try to send an image normally through discord?

But yeah. I don’t even know where to begin. But you can kinda just, see what I like in my current designs. And I think that maybe is why it’s not a seller or hit.

https://bsky.app/profile/4idream.bsky.social/post/3mbovzrw47c2g

🌚❤️4idream💜🏫 (@4idream.bsky.social)

I don’t want to exaggerate more than this! #refsheet #Shindou #artfight

Although, I understand taking away his large eyes makes him less endearing…

Bluesky · Jan 5, 2026, 5:00 PM

Yeah embeds

[left vine]

YEAH! How to build that!

From the ground, of a start, from the get-go!

At least, how to trigger it more to likely happen?

[queen arch]

Connection to character is basically how much someone related to that character/their story

[oblique badge]

If people can relate to character

[queen arch]

So, you need to have a story, or some kind of personality in the character

Convey it through poses, through what the character wears, through how they talk, walk, etc

[left vine]

Oh yeah!! That’s still popular. But my characters have aura already when they fight. And every rarely do spelled see the aura in my art. So at least that’s there. Would be tiring ti commit to a full scale detailed art piece currently though..

[warm spoke]

if you put your own exp into your characters, or your story for exemple

[queen arch]

I must sleep fr fr

[left vine]

It may take 10 years, but I at least will try to bring it enough so that I can at least do that much. Work on my comic. It may mean less promotions art, but if it’s for me than it’s fine I guess.

I was just thinking if I ever wanted to design merch, these designs have GOT TO BE iconic.

[warm spoke]

sleep well

[left vine]

Yeah, I guess that’s all I can depend on for now. Not everyone’s like me who got into Fire Emblem because I related with a design alone.

[fair locust]

what size canvas do you guys usually use for digital art?

[left vine]

Yeah, … a lot of cool things I’ve found and related with, never got the exposure it needed. I truly noise those characters are great, but just never got that spotlight! !! I guess I could be working with a similar set of characters.

But I’ll see if she gets any art on art fight. (I’m actually using it to gauge character popularity, before I do a poll (yet). Don’t twll anyone that.)

[left vine]

Yeah, I actually do that— way too much actually! I am overbearing.

I’ve turned my innocent goody-two-shoes MC, into an unintentional bloodthirsty heroic nobody who does good but is greatly distasteful, and people don’t like them.

[left vine]

Same, it’s too dark. And I can’t type with auto_incorrect on my side always, Fr.

[brazen belfry]

migu day

[warm spoke]

[jaunty quiver]

holy cooking

[warm spoke]

don't really know where i'm going but at least i did something i guess

[jaunty quiver]

I honestly didnt expect it to look like that when I saw your your first screenshot

now it looks like a cover for an animated movie

[warm spoke]

ohh, thx !

it's supposed to be the cover for my portfolio potentially, glad it looks like one

[jaunty quiver]

[wide river]

TWELFTH COMMS DONE!!!!!

[potent basalt]

symmetry art like this is cool... something about symmetry is appealing to look at XD

[wide river]

if you look a bit deeper it gets worse

[iron halo]

maybe ready?

i lowkey wanna sleep on it because i tend to get stuff out right before i sleep and regret in the morning

[coarse hazel]

looks great! really clean rendering and lineart

imo it might benefit from some value adjustments. For me, currently the red wall in the background provides the highest contrast and sorta functions as the focal point when you squint. Could solve that by lighting up the background on the left of her and/or adding some harsher lighting to the character. Just my opinion though 🙂

[mint root]

it is indeed very dark, you really can't see her at first glance and there's a crooked circle on the top left

[iron halo]

Thata my brush

But I'll try some stuff out later

[iron halo]

It's the next day and I'm looking at it now and I can indeed tell you're very right

Glad I didn't post it yet

[shut ridge]

Drawing my evil neuro outfit submission (it does not look anywhere close to ocean related) 💀

I’m gonna change the skirt to be more flowy later

I just really wanted to focus on the bg

[queen arch]

in the process of a commission

this is the reference I got

[warm spoke]

looks great

[iron halo]

you mean like drawing it again?

cuz if you meant to submit that i have some bad news for you

[nova gate]

this looks amazing!

[iron halo]

thoughts gang?

[oblique badge]

i would personally make eyes a bit brighter

[iron halo]

i think i like it

[queen arch]

I would either change the shadow or the bg so that the shadow line and the building in the back don't meet

but that's just a preference thing

[icy quail]

It all depends on your preferred art style

[iron halo]

Yeah that kinda sticks out to me too

Just kinda happened to end up like that

I think I could enlarge the building to throw them off the same line just a bit

[patent quarry]

I think it needs more contrast fi you want it to be more dramatic

[potent basalt]

lineart can be awkward like that too when they connect together... so artists depending of perspective work around it... like one example I remember is drawing stylized car hitting a stylized tree... depending of perspective it looks better to leave room between tree and a car that is depicted of having hit it due otherwise it looks odd

also yeah when lineart aligns that it looks like part of the same line... those are fun to fix XD

[shut ridge]

Yes

[honest ridge]

Neuro x JJK, Neuro Okkotsu, but who is Rika? 👀

[warm spoke]

VEDAL

[honest ridge]

No he is Gojo

[warm spoke]

[potent basalt]

this is like something out of a horror game lol

[potent basalt]

trying to get to right mindset to get this done https://x.com/Clord124/status/2031457268529541557

Clord | VTuber & Anime Fanart 😻💖 (@Clord124)

Progress! Next up is some kind of background and rendering. Neuro-sama and Evil Neuro are turning out alright. #heartheartart #evilneuro #Neurosama #ResidentEvilReqiuem #ResidentEvil #artmoots #Vtuber

X · Mar 10, 2026, 7:48 PM

[iron halo]

been tweaking it a bunch

[potent basalt]

looks good... nice abstract background

[iron halo]

its the nakayama racecourse

[potent basalt]

ah... I have kept hearing such place name thanks to duolingo lol... seems to be a town and also part of racetrack's name... famous location for people really into horseracing over there

[rocky jay]

#general-network message
welp, the mouth didnt turn out quite how i imained it (mostly cause of the teeth) but its alr for a late night drawing or something ig

photo is a little crooked so just imagine its perfectly centered cause it is that

should'a just drawn a closed mouth ngl

[deep sigil]

I recommend not drawing the teeth individually, it'll make it looks uncanny

[rocky jay]

it worked one time but there the teeth were larger and i was using a thinner liner

i also went in and drew the teeth after i already finalized the mouth shape which i then ended up hating

so now the big teeth arent big enough

everything else looks good though IMO

i might just do a little trick and cover his mouth up with one of his cleaves

[deep sigil]

Eugh i want to show u how to but i can't post image yet 😭

Good luck i guess

[rocky jay]

I was trying to go for this but I should probably just have done that from the start

[shut ridge]

Super happy with the contrast (kinda) so far :3

She sticks out from the bg:D

[red marten]

A Work in Progress. Deciding if I should shade or color her

[shut ridge]

Longest amount of time I’ve ever spent on a drawing in 1 sitting

Had to finish on my phone since my mom confiscated my iPad

[patent quarry]

💀

[deep sigil]

damn

[patent quarry]

warm ups

[iron halo]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-higuruma-higuruma-anime-higuruma-oh-my-god-higuruma-son-gif-17189742323797679519

[dreamy jolt]

😭

[rocky jay]

I gotta draw some jjk angles as well

[jaunty quiver]

My reaction when I discovered something broken in new version of blender

why did they remove arrow navigation on the shapekey window

[warm spoke]

[long rune]

my problem with art that im too smart for it
im overthinking, detecting patterns making things obvious and not fun/curious

any tips

[patent quarry]

Stop thinking

[mint root]

elaborate on what you mean by overthinking and detecting patterns

[long rune]

im drowning in info and now im trying to get back to it with easier way to access it

i guess i just auto got out of that mindset, but its in the beginning of the idk my state? like my low point

im overwhelmed and cant start because it not worth it

im sorry if this is incoherent lmao

[mint root]

what sort of info are you drowning in?

[long rune]

tutorial video/images and references

[mint root]

being overwhelmed is pretty normal. I think you just need to start from somewhere, everybody does. I think what would help is a proper goal and steps you can tackle one by one to get to that goal

what is your reason for doing art and what do you want to achieve in it?

[long rune]

my usual goals are twitter posts, and if i need to be better, i pick from the pile of info correct tutorial

[long rune]

to pursue happiness

and honestly for me only

the driving force is whenever im inspired with an idea

i feel like this convo is in help alone so thanks for that

[mint root]

I got dragged by the toddler

[mint root]

a good goal for now I think would be to have a solid process when drawing

so you have a starting point when you want to draw and you can continue from there

having a fleshed out drawing process helps alot in starting drawings since you have a clear step by step of what to do, its not gonna solve everything but it should help.

[long rune]

(i also got busy lol) yeah i do have it to an extent but i wanna extend the area of skill

im pushing myself to not draw same face or characters

except when needed

but rn i gotta sort through the files man, i gotta do it

[mint root]

art is pretty demanding in a way that if you want to draw like professional illustrators you have to practice fundamentals. drawing whatever comes to mind will be pretty taxing in terms of you have to learn alot of things every time if they are different enough from each other. having references will help in that regard since you don't necessarily need to imagine, for example how the anatomy looks in a specific pose

practice of fundamentals is needed if you're seeking art improvements. although if you're just drawing for fun, it'll be slow because there's too much to consider but I'm pretty sure you'll get there.

my brain is lagging, gonna go sleep

gn artist alley

[long rune]

thank you sensei

will strive for better skill

gn

[buoyant gorge]

Ubel sketch

[queen arch]

commission complete

https://tenor.com/view/respect-gain-gta-san-andreas-respect-plus-respect-san-andreas-respect-gif-27536790

[oblique badge]

Someone might be interested

https://fixupx.com/i/status/2031665432273527110

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FixupX · Mar 11, 2026, 9:36 AM

[warm spoke]

which version is better ?

paint pro or paint ex ?

[oblique badge]

You are planning to do animations/manga?

[warm spoke]

animations maybe !

[oblique badge]

thats basically main difference

you can check full list here: https://www.clipstudio.net/en/functional_list/

but tbh i think EX not really worth it if you not planning doing it professionally

[warm spoke]

i don't really see any differences between them humm

ah oops mb

[oblique badge]

Yeah besides this there is no difference

[warm spoke]

maybe i'll stick with blender for now

thx for the info tho

[oblique badge]

yeah np

I was waiting for CSP sale for a while and they dropped both sale and new version so i feel blessed lol

[mint badge]

blender will eventually be the ultimate 2d animation tool

[tulip hamlet]

Camel 🐫

[icy quail]

I been drawing on ibisPaint for a few months now. I remember that I am only good at head and hair. Not bodies.

Literally ONLY DANG HEAD AND LEGS. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO DO TORSO’S.

Should I just make an abstract figure with no upper body?

Cuz honestly I HATE drawing bodies

[potent basalt]

this is very abstract way to draw so you could try to make it work by just making even torso abstract

[icy quail]

I like sharp edges

I can make the torso abstract butttttttt

I have no clue how to

That’s why I said I hate torso’s

Literally a spinosaurus is easier

[potent basalt]

maybe very abstract art is just something you're well suited for... if you want to try draw something like stylized human for example then there is plenty of material online to look up as of how... and various methods to practice... artists self learn sometimes quite unusual ways like... there are people who just liked some manga so much they started to use them as references and kept drawing to learn how to do draw the same way

[icy quail]

Well while Testing some stuff. I found a better way to make galaxy designs. So that’s fun

[icy quail]

I mean yes. If I dig into my mind I do have some crazy ass Imagining.

Although some of them I do not want to see

[jaunty quiver]

wow thats so quick

[icy quail]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-what-she-said-text-gif-5550010626124765071

[jaunty quiver]

[icy quail]

You did this to yourself 😔

[rocky jay]

i finally made something in watercolors that isnt a horizon that i am satisfied with

[icy quail]

Love the flowers

[rocky jay]

i think i found out why i sucked

before

[icy quail]

And the little brown branches

[warm spoke]

[icy quail]

Why atomic?

[rocky jay]

its cause i made everything solid colors

[icy quail]

Why did you do that

[rocky jay]

i thought i was supposed to but no with watercolors if you arent painting a large simple color or gradient like the sky, you should leave a bunch of gaps

instantly made me better at trees

then when i finished it up i just added some branches like in my reference and it turned out great

[icy quail]

Yeah just look at a example

Real life trees

If you go outside

[rocky jay]

i did screw up the flowers though
added too many of each color, too spread out. i should try to make real flower shapes for each color like with the purple stalk thingys

forgot what theyre called

[icy quail]

Flowers do need work

[icy quail]

Purple stalk thingy?

OHHHH

[rocky jay]

looked better before i added the flowers

cause the grass was real good too bad i covered it up

[icy quail]

Labrador

Frick wrong word

[rocky jay]

yeah lol i was like what find of fuckass flower name is that

[icy quail]

Lavender

YES

THAT

https://tenor.com/view/лаванда-gif-5847667061529181001

[rocky jay]

yeah that one

no actually

[icy quail]

What?

What other flower do you mean

Wolfbane?

[rocky jay]

not sure actally

ok might be wolfsbane

i think my brain has mixed together veronica, wolfsbane and lavender

either that or the lavender my parents have is just really tall for some reason

[icy quail]

Mmm

Strange

[honest ridge]

Some of my brother's work

[potent basalt]

anyone else enjoy looking before shading and after shading versions of their art? XD

[icy quail]

Yesn’t

[median pilot]

it's 2am save me

I made her smile less triangely

[iron halo]

bought clip studio version 5

apparently version 4 added stl support

i know how to use CAD from my work

so thats really good for me

[jaunty quiver]

isnt .stl files for printable 3D models? CSP has 3D model support?

[iron halo]

sorta i guess

i use them for CNC work though

which is essentially 3d printing just inverse

you remove material instead of adding it

[jaunty quiver]

[iron halo]

i have my table as a 3d model on my work laptop

if i remember ill get an stl of that on a stick tomorrow

see how it works

[jaunty quiver]

You scanned them?

[iron halo]

no i made my own table

so i had to model it first in cad

[jaunty quiver]

Thats actually cool

I wish have my own 3D model~ I'd make so much 3D figures

[iron halo]

I found a screencap, the extra top is still a work in progress though

[jaunty quiver]

Cool

idk what CSP could do with stl~ prolly for reference

[iron halo]

I could bring my own table in there as a 3d model

Or anything else I could draw in CAD but not otherwise

The clip studio asset store doesn't always have the best stuff so it's big imo

[jaunty quiver]

Actually yeah, Thats actually a great update

thinking about it

[iron halo]

Oh I bet blender can export stls too

So you could model a whole environment for your drawing and bring it into csp

[jaunty quiver]

yep I never use that file format tho

.fbx support when

[iron halo]

I need to attempt the donut again some day

Failed miserably the first time around

[jaunty quiver]

The donut

[potent basalt]

whew... done! https://x.com/Clord124/status/2031836903176122560

Clord | VTuber & Anime Fanart 😻💖 (@Clord124)

Here they are! Catgirl Neuro-sama as a security guard (with level 3 clearance) for Umbrella Corporation and Evil Neuro as a scientist. Awesome 4K rendered Resident Evil wallpaper drawing! #heartheartart #evilneuro #Neurosama #ResidentEvilReqiuem #ResidentEvil #artmoots #Vtuber

X · Mar 11, 2026, 8:57 PM

[jaunty quiver]

[frosty tree]

Drawing for a song

[patent quarry]

Hi chat

[warm spoke]

hi

[potent basalt]

hiii!

[edgy axle]

How do you draw

[deep sigil]

Pardon me, with all respect am i allowed to post a twitter link in here? (It's a Neuro art)

[jaunty quiver]

why not post it in #1095941852068331560

[deep sigil]

oh

[jaunty quiver]

you can post here, but you need embed perms, in #1095941852068331560 you dont need them

[deep sigil]

when will i or how will i get embed perm?

[jaunty quiver]

just chat a lot, you can check the progress in #bot-channel

[deep sigil]

sorry, how do i check?

[jaunty quiver]

theres a rank command there, you could copy what the other chatters say there

[deep sigil]

oh i figured it out

[jaunty quiver]

alright hf then

[deep sigil]

👍, have a nice day

[warm spoke]

[jaunty quiver]

[patent quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-jujutsu-kaisen-higuruma-higuruma-hiroshi-hiroshi-higuruma-gif-1942679717804609030

My peripherals be breaking chat : /

[warm spoke]

sorry but what is a peripheral ?

[patent quarry]

Keyboard mouse game controller pen tablet

[warm spoke]

[patent quarry]

It's either them or my motherboard

[rocky jay]

#general-network message
Here is an actual quick sketch I did
Notice the places where I have moved points on the jaw without erasing. This is to easily compare and save myself a lot of time and perfectionist headaches

[frosty tree]

On my phone, using IbisPaint

[rocky jay]

oh cool someone reacted on my quick sketch I wonder who it is- WHAT

[frosty tree]

Background time, yay... T-T

[potent basalt]

nice... I quite like this style of rendering or whatever the term is... as I like to render my art similar way nowadays

my mind likes smooth gradients with character art

[wide river]

Singing zombie done!
TW: Blood

[potent basalt]

among unique zombie designs she's one of my favorites in resident evil related stuff

[wide river]

fr

[buoyant gorge]

Teto piece. I want to pen some parts and use markers for a hybrid rendering but I’m scared to touch it atm for fear of messing it up.

[wide oar]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-daumn-will-smith-omg-gif-17256011

[deep sigil]

Ah yes, my fellow comrade

[lyric imp]

Dang your shading really ad depth to the work also the lineart is clean as hell

The watery effect feel very natural too

[wide river]

😭🙏

[jaunty quiver]

are you guys fine leaving this kind of coloring errors in you arts?

[warm spoke]

depends if it is too noticeable

[oblique badge]

My perfectionism doesnt allow me to do that 🥀

[jaunty quiver]

I should've used AI to color like usual~ doing this via brush is so hard

Adobe Illustrator

I'm so nitpicky~ I can't help it

[warm spoke]

you use adobe illustrator to draw ?!

[jaunty quiver]

Yeppers

it's fill tool is so good

I thought using photoshop this time, would be a good idea~ I regret it now

[warm spoke]

[warm spoke]

photoshop is good for drawing tho

[jaunty quiver]

idunno, it just doesnt click for me

[warm spoke]

fair enough

[buoyant gorge]

thanks i referenced a lot of yoneyama mai for the watery effects

anyways i tried my best. Turns out i didn’t have red so i just used everything else.

[queen arch]

my whole style is messy

don't have any clean lines

[jaunty quiver]

idk I'm a bit conflicted~ I want messy outlines, but dont want messy coloring

[wide river]

heck no

[warm spoke]

looks like i did a good retopo and rig right ? right ?

[queen arch]

-# show topology

that seems like too many polys for a retopo

[warm spoke]

way too many yeah

[queen arch]

why

[warm spoke]

i had trouble baking the normals, so i took my retopo model and subdivided it a bit much

[queen arch]

why'd you have trouble baking normals

[warm spoke]

just a bit

[queen arch]

what the polycount batman

this is my high poly version, and even it has fewer polys

[jaunty quiver]

Figures

I'm just bad at using the brush tool

[warm spoke]

bad uvs, and it wouldn't work as intended

[queen arch]

and this is what my optimized ver looks like

[warm spoke]

and because i have a deadline, i just moved on

[warm spoke]

[jaunty quiver]

I think yeah the subdivision is a bit overdone

[queen arch]

-# bad uvs? was there overlap or something?

[warm spoke]

it didn't fit the normals iirc (i just probably missed some settings i don't even know the existence )

[queen arch]

did you mark the normal map as "non-color"?

[warm spoke]

yes !

[queen arch]

if you have multiple uvs, then you also need to select the right one while baking

last piece of advice I have is to make a blendshape for baking purposes that's just to fix any errors caused by clipping

[warm spoke]

uhh

what's a blendshape ?

[jaunty quiver]

Shapekeys it seems

[warm spoke]

thx for the advice anyway

[lyric imp]

Its great, the only inconvenent minus is the color conflict, bright colors doesnt go well with dark lineart and shading

Oh well its still very nice

[jaunty quiver]

how to hide those errors~ Maximize the outline size and pass it of as being stylized

[icy quail]

Feel like I seen something like this in a anime before.

[icy quail]

Sammeeeeeeeeeeee ibispaint does that every time I just the damn bucket

[queen arch]

-# she's completely original afaik

[icy quail]

I know I just say she looks like someone I know from an anime since that design (6 arms) is kinda common

(I have watched too many anime)

[potent basalt]

anime I have liked to watch barely features such things so I just think characters like goro from mortal kombat but that is just similar concept... with less hand pairs

[iron halo]

i was indeed able to get my table onto CSP

[potent basalt]

now what I have seen more in fiction are instead of centaur aka human with horse's body it's a human spider hybrid XD like Final Fantasy XV has those

[potent basalt]

nice

[warm spoke]

wip

[digital ore]

Does someone know about color theory? I am trying to get a discord name with a gradient, the first color being #DE89C2.

I experimented a bit and found that purple and red are good options for it, but I don't know if I should go red or purple

[patent quarry]

Go red

Wait what color is that

[patent quarry]

Oh

Educated guess, red

[digital ore]

alr, thanks

[potent basalt]

it has some red in it so... it's still shade of red XD

[digital ore]

ah, I see, makes sense

[potent basalt]

joking aside actually bunch of colors used to be called same as they didn't have so many words for them

that we nowadays call with different primary names or whatever those are called

[icy quail]

Pink is technically red

Just lighter

[warm spoke]

[warm spoke]

love the outfit

[wide river]

thamkies :3

[limber niche]

yippee https://x.com/soulgluttony/status/2032239469248536667?s=20

key🦋 (@soulgluttony)

more NEVER art #heartheartart

X · Mar 12, 2026, 11:37 PM

[gentle glen]

no return

[icy vale]

11 hours and I still have a blank canvas, great

[wide river]

real

[mint root]

it do feel like that sometimes. me? an artist? I have to draw? what has this world come to

[icy vale]

Oc too , oh I have oc? Nah I ain't gonna draw that I'm too lazy today

[fallow summit]

Hi artists!!!

[wide river]

Experimented with gaussian blur.

[fallow summit]

WHAT THE FRICK YOUR SHADING IS SO GOOD

[wide river]

:D

that means im right on track with shades then

[slender oasis]

i love your lines

they're messy but they still depict a larger picture; this is something i need to learn

[fallow summit]

True your lines are so interesting,,

I'm jealous of lines like that

[worldly marlin]

looks like ultrakill layer 7

[mint root]

I'm drawing. you can call me a drawer

[wide river]

Hi drawing, I'm Tuna Eater

[mint root]

Tuna

I'm tired I just did lineart

I procrastinated yesterday so I'm drawing 2 illustrations today

[potent basalt]

gaussian blur trick for cool art effect

[mint root]

tuna

[wide river]

[jaunty quiver]

upgraded version of my node spaghetti

[warm spoke]

what's the goal of the shader ?

[jaunty quiver]

its still the toon shader that reacts to colored light

i finally managed to fix that weird seams it was producing before

[warm spoke]

it was already looking good, curious to see now

[jaunty quiver]

[mint root]

@buoyant gorge sorry for the ping. I remember talking about perspective heavy poses and I don't feel like reading a book or watching videos so I'm just going for it, along with trying to come up with a simpler artsyle so it doesn't take too much time and drain me every time I render something

[buoyant gorge]

its fine. i like talking about art. I think it looks fine for intuitive perspective. Hmm, the legs might need a bit of adjustment. One thing about perspective is the angle you’re looking from. Since this is a worm’s eye view (aka below the horizon line), we should technically be seeing the edges of the bottom of the leg warmers of the closer leg.

The further leg is fine because its angled away from us although I would probably decrease the taper size of the further leg a bit more because the leg warmers are close to the same size here and in perspective further objects get smaller more quickly than you would expect when considering more distant objects not close to the camera.

[mint root]

how would the edges of a bottom of the leg warmers look like?

[buoyant gorge]

just imagine looking at a cylinder from below at an angle

you would be able to see the bottom circle (or oval in this case when its at an angle)

here the circle is not visible

so it looks like we’re looking at the bottom of the leg warmers from a birds eye view instead

[mint root]

I can draw the cylinder but I can't imagine the cloth itself

[buoyant gorge]

hmm drawing folds in perspective to put it shortly is mostly about smart use of overlapping linework

i can do a quick sketch to show

[mint root]

that'll be very helpful, I can't really imagine it

the folds itself need work tbf

[buoyant gorge]

that’s something that doesn’t matter as much imo

but its easier to imagine the angle if you draw through the form

as if the shoe wasn’t there

using the cylinder as a base

you can see the shaded portion

an ellipse viewed from beneath

as for the folds i highlighted the lines which show that putting the line in front or behind an object depends on where you place your lines

its a simple principle to apply

but in perspective placement of lines will determine what’s in front or behind

[mint root]

hmmm, the leg warmers are very baggy so its folding in on itself, best I can think of is this

[buoyant gorge]

and for folds, that’s usually how you want to place your lines

you can see in the square image i took the same silhouette and just adjusted the lines

and the square which was in front reversed

to being in the back

[mint root]

yeah I can see that

[buoyant gorge]

folds are just cylinders and other primitive shapes wrapped around a bigger shape (usually cylinder)

and how you make them work in perspective usually is through either shading contrast or in the case of sketching, line placements

[buoyant gorge]

yeah that works

i can imagine seeing the hole on the bottom if the shoe wasn’t there

so it makes sense in perspective

although

on the very left

i might wrap it around a bit more

let me use my mobile

[mint root]

yeah compared to the previous one that one did look really flat

hmm

[buoyant gorge]

the blue is the additional section i added

its pretty jank but you can see if you imagine the leg warmers wrapping around the shoe

there would be a bit of thickness that goes a little further

than where your line ended on the top of the shoe

taking away the blue and red mostly would leave it like this

so in this case just that little bump implies a lot more envelopment of cloth around the shoe

because the shoe is technically in front of the blue area here (AKA the back portion of the ellipse)

[mint root]

ahh I see what you mean

[buoyant gorge]

and as i mentioned earlier, overlapping lines is how you depict it being in front

the version you had made it look somewhat like the entire leg warmer was in front of the shoe.

and that there was no part behind it

[mint root]

I don't think it'll reach that far to envelop it really since its still being held by its straps

would this work if its a little higher?

[buoyant gorge]

ooh that works

nice

[mint root]

thanks for the help, it helped not only on perspective but the folds as well

[buoyant gorge]

np. i had so much trouble with this and perspective is still my weakest skill so i’ve been trying to focus hard on it.

can’t wait to see the finished piece