artist-alley

[plain kindle]

I started out art by tracing shamelessly then finding art and poses took longer than actually drawing

[cloud sky]

There is certainly a difference between professional uses of tracing and stealing and pretending it’s making you a better artist

[vivid wagon]

why not just use AI?

[iron halo]

photobashing is valid if done right but thats not it

ive used my own photos for that

[cloud sky]

In the end, explicit full conversations about tracing is not particularly something we should probably be encouraging here, especially with newer artists who might end up taking the wrong ideas on what we are talking about.

[cloud sky]

A lot of people do! It’s how a lot of people get their spark.

[vivid wagon]

General rule of thumb: If learning art at the beginning feels easy, you are likely not actually learning anything. It is overcoming obstacles which makes us improve.

[cloud sky]

Agreed!

[oblique badge]

If it seems so difficult that you want to quit, you're on the right track

[plain kindle]

Personally tho I say do whatever it takes to get you to draw. Art is also about reps and you don’t get better if you don’t draw

Procrastination is my final boss

[iron halo]

wtf did i discover in my high quality art folder

why did i make this

[potent basalt]

that's quite good if you faked that monitor has been damaged

[iron halo]

it is an edit yea

[potent basalt]

it looks enough close to monitor damage that someone could actually at glance thing someone damaged their monitor lol

I like bunch of art made by people who tend to clearly pose 3D models to do poses... and it has been kind of art I found appealing... I nowadays can guess if someone used 3D model behind their art because it has that kind of feel vs art that is likely just made by drawing without one

[vivid wagon]

some artists are also just incredibly good at making something look 3d

[potent basalt]

yup... thus it's a guess at times... but I do know some artists who do it regularly as their thing... partly due one artist outright didn't even try to keep it secret and has shared some models for others to use

[plain kindle]

As long as you’re honest with what you do no one really cares

[brittle sun]

to get better at art you need to just draw, but to rly become better at art you just need to sit down and learn stuff and practice

just because you write in your every day life you dont become a master at writing

[main orchid]

not really a kit bash, but I used a variety of references for a drawing. The face I tried to reference from the Colors meme. The flowers, various tattoo flower examples. The really messed up rose on the right side was from a youtube tutorial. https://youtu.be/K7o9f7UBtEk?si=jtmO-YldjEVkQwiR&t=62

Eventually I need to hunker down and study the fundamental basics.

[cloud sky]

My new tablet feels weird to use

So I’ve been slacking a little bit

[brittle sun]

you are probably just not used to it

[cloud sky]

I got used to using a blind tablet

[brittle sun]

[cloud sky]

One of the screen on it feels weird

[vivid wagon]

using reference is 100% fine and absolutely recommended!

[potent basalt]

I sometimes see something that inspired me to draw and take a screenshot of it

to have some inspiration

it depends... if my mind doesn't manage to conjure anything that I find enough interesting to draw I start to surf for visuals

I referenced to full body art of darkness from konosuba because it has been a while since I have watched konosuba and her armor is just so complex to just accurately recall easily after so long

[tidal grove]

Tracing is ok if you want to learn someone's shape language. For that specific case it's even good. What you do is you take something you want to learn from, trace that and analyze, build your muscle memory, and then try to replicate that on your own.
Not good if you want to make a drawing. That's all i can add to the topic of tracing

[sleek glen]

frick yeah which did u get

[sleek glen]

true and real!
suepr good for studies, not good for posting online anywhere that's weirdge

[tidal grove]

I actually should do that thing more often, but that's boring

[cloud sky]

This one!

Ignore the mess. I took this picture when I was unboxing stuff for Christmas

[tidal grove]

Tried to find Ethan Becker video covering that method, but he just has a lot of videos. If anyone curious, that guy has some good advice. A real industry professional. Take some things with a grain of salt tho

[sleek glen]

NICEE I have an older gen of that! had it like 5 years it's been sooo good. pen stopped working like 3 years in but huion just sent a new one free I luv them

[tardy frost]

i have one of those in my house

[cloud sky]

It’s really weird going to a 1:1 drawing with a screen when I was so used to using my old Wacom and my monitor

[iron halo]

wait you got a replacement for free???

i paid 50€ for one

[cloud sky]

It makes my built in stabilizers in SAI feel a lot weirder

[urban summit]

[tidal grove]

Oh, I wanted to buy this too, but was afraid the screen will be bad or die soon after, so chose screen less tablet

[cloud sky]

The screen is straight up better than my monitors, at least in picture quality

Ppi and all of that

[sleek glen]

yess its so strange at first you will get used to it in no time

[sleek glen]

should've emailed them begging and pleading

[iron halo]

[potent basalt]

I prefer screenless but it's just one of those preference things so... I can justify it with things like better posture but I didn't really think it so far back then... it really came out screenless ones turned out to be cheaper and already had a quality monitor

[iron halo]

i wonder if they'd have replaced my cable too

[cloud sky]

I found myself watching the streams on it specifically because I could see Neuro somehow more clearly on this smaller display lol

[iron halo]

thats another 40€

after you get used to it the drawing monitor is so nice though

i could never go back

[potent basalt]

I would need a good table to tilt it... then I could see it as preferred option... it's just trying to keep my back in relatively good shape XD

[tidal grove]

I'm a poor little kid living in a basement, i wanted to earn money by drawing to feed my wife and kids, but my pen broke. Please could you give me a new one, i will pray for your souls 🙏
https://tenor.com/view/pepe-typing-pepe-angry-pepe-cry-pepe-crying-gif-2532592051986810143

[sleek glen]

tbh the texture of screenless tablets are really nice, I'd still prefer screens but it is a bit more slippery

[sleek glen]

that's exactly what I said to them

[iron halo]

also monitor arms are real nice with these

you dont need the official ones

[potent basalt]

I have Wacom Intuos Pro Medium https://estore.wacom.com/media/catalog/product/cache/fb4143a007ae6439deba9b18afd745f2/p/t/pth-660-n_main_4.jpg

I have configured it quite a bit as by default settings I ended up constantly inputting unintentional commands

[tidal grove]

I'd try a screen tablet if i had an opportunity, but don't see a lot of sense in buying one for now

[iron halo]

i know of a library near me that actually has one that you can reserve for use

you should see if theres anything like that near you

[sleek glen]

wait that's so cool

[iron halo]

its got other stuff too

like music and video editing stuff

[tidal grove]

I really really doubt that

[potent basalt]

so many libraries that didn't change with times went out of business

once physical books wasn't so big thing

[tidal grove]

Some universities may have those, i even guess there were some in my uni , but i'm a drop out, so no free screen tablets for me

[tidal grove]

Yeah, i'm not sure if there are computers in our libraries

[potent basalt]

I would assume most places don't have many to go around vs demand so it's kind of nice way to trial a product but if one wants to use it regularly then better get your own afterwards I suppose

[iron halo]

[potent basalt]

it feels like libraries having at least one computer nowadays is so normal that it sounds so odd... granted I haven't that frequently gone to libraries even back in the day... like I did briefly do it before internet became such a huge deal

[tidal grove]

Our libraries have pianos though

come to think about it... that's a bit stupid

don't those things produce noise

[iron halo]

i used to spend hours everyday at my schools library computers after school

back in elementary school

[urban summit]

Wait.. aren't you suppose to be quiet in a library? lol

[iron halo]

it was like a separate building too

very cozy

its being demolished soon

[urban summit]

[potent basalt]

I wonder if there are libraries where quiet rule is not a thing

like it's widespread practice but there are so many cultures

[urban summit]

I mean, you're suppose to be quiet in library because people need concentration to read stuff and noise is a very common distraction.

[potent basalt]

anyway I'm so getting distracted from the subject of art... in context of doing art there is no issue if library cares if it's quiet or not

[tidal grove]

Sounds like a skill issue bro. Just lock in. Ez

[urban summit]

https://tenor.com/view/i-never-thought-of-that-i-cant-imagine-i-cant-believe-not-in-mind-i-didnt-think-of-that-gif-15827065

[potent basalt]

I googled it... there are nowadays libraries where you aren't expected to be quiet anymore as a rule and are very noisy

[tidal grove]

Gen alpha ruined libraries 💀

[urban summit]

Not here tho, while our rule is not that enforce, you'll be kick out if there's enough noise complain report to staffs or janitors.

[potent basalt]

yeah... I just note really it's spreading trend considering how many google results treat libraries nowadays being noisy as normalized

I definitely know that there are libraries where it's still enforced to not try to annoy people

[tidal grove]

What the hell is that trend? Where do you live in?

[urban summit]

Likely Tiktok dance and stuffs, I guess.

[potent basalt]

they seem to nowadays have practice of "quiet rooms" where people just are shoved to small rooms if they want quiet environment

I would ask what the heck is tiktok if I hadn't heard of it

[tidal grove]

Bruh.

[urban summit]

Oh, like multipurpose room.

If the library manner and rules can not longer works. Well a library gonna have to make an ingenious idea on making a new library design.

[tidal grove]

Do you hate it too when you go to your favorite place to party - library, and then some buzzkiller-nerds with those nerdy books are telling you to be quite?

Happens to me all the time

[potent basalt]

there are libraries where you can reserve a small room... it's kind of like service for people that want to read in peace, etc

it's no longer expected standard

[urban summit]

Strange but Interesting on how that happened.

[potent basalt]

libraries hasn't been relevant to me for decades personally so I have no idea how it's over here lol

hmm... maybe I draw something related to this... dunno

[urban summit]

I still somewhat use library to this day. They have many computers and TV to watch Netflix, I'm not joking.

[potent basalt]

yeah good libraries got those stuff

I'm not that out of the loop how modern libraries make it XD

honestly it's smart that you take advantage of the place ^^

[urban summit]

Yeah, it was kinda strange at first. Since I didn't expect these kind of things to be in the place like this.

Anyways, I've gone on segue long enough. Time to sleep again, Goodnight y'all

[iron halo]

my looks like miku

[potent basalt]

not a problem! this community likes hybrid neuros

https://x.com/Clord124/status/1890619738423775610

Clord ✨ Looking for Artmoots ✨ (@Clord124) on X

It's Valentine's Day and Neuro-sama is cosplaying as #Darkness from Konosuba. She hopes you buy her a lot of chocolate (which she profits from). But can you say no to such a plead on #ValentinesDay? #heartheartart #Neurosama #artmoots #Valentinesday2025 #Valentines #Vtuber

X · Feb 15, 2025, 4:30 AM

[potent basalt]

stalker 2 vibes ^^

and similar themed games

[storm flicker]

ohh interesting

this is just somthing im doing for game about uhh soldiers fighting like idk monsters???

[thick gale]

neuroverse in the escape from tarkov pog

[lofty kernel]

Hewo! Been a min. Just been drawing this one from yesterday through today (minus the sticker I put on there to censor the gesture I have Evil making)

Trying to make an action movie-esque picture lol

[austere beacon]

Ngl.. I kind of like that idea.

As someone with ADHD who constantly gets told to shut up because I’m dogshit at communicating sometimes.

Or dogshit at trying not to communicate some time. LMAO

[storm flicker]

Okay imma go rest from this for a bit

[lofty kernel]

It looks so cool!

[storm flicker]

Thank you

[near apex]

ARTIST ALLEY

[iron halo]

[near apex]

Just went through and look at each artist’s booth’s art… suffice to say it was peak

[lofty kernel]

It's really cool! Hope you're having fun!

[near apex]

VERY fun, so many cool people here

[lofty kernel]

You included!

[near apex]

Naww

[dusty arrow]

im so envious i hope i'll get to go to an artist alley too, it looks so cool

[lunar garden]

yo that shit looks cool

[white arrow]

Pokemon Dungeon squad.

[analog pollen]

does anyone have aquwa character reference sheet

found it

[urban summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-aqua-アクア-hehe-hehehe-gif-9851538936217073176

wtf

[signal tide]

I’ll continue with the shadows after my blood test results come back

[mint root]

I need it as well plss send here

[analog pollen]

it was in aquwa's discord

[mint root]

Thank you thank you

She is short holy

[scenic hamlet]

Okay, I'm starting to get serious hype for trying to play around with mixing music together.. Other than Faded, is there any song that both twins did a cover of that would go well for a duet-mix?

[sleek apex]

Wasn't happy with the first "finished" piece so I messed around with the layers adding adjustment filters and it turned out pretty cool ♪

Also found out that instead of making the subject brighter, making the background darker also works >w<

[oak hamlet]

Note that for mixing Neuro covers together like that, I'd recommend to separate the vocals first, and then mix from scratch with a fresh instrumental to keep consistent levels across the whole song for both Neuros

-# or just synthesize it with Neuro RVC

[scenic hamlet]

You're the greatest, as always 😄

[oak hamlet]

I just do silly stuff

Said silly stuff:

[scenic hamlet]

What program did you use to isolate vocals?

I remember you suggested a lot of stuff some days back when I let it slip that I'm only working through Audacity :3

[oak hamlet]

Those silly things were not done using vocal isolation, but for vocal isolation, I usually use Ultimate Vocal Remover (UVR) and the Roformer model
Here's a cover using vocal isolation to get a vocal

[oak hamlet]

Yeah, you should definitely use something like LMMS instead to get more powerful mixing features

[scenic hamlet]

Aight, off for work. Cheers thanks again

[steady tulip]

I finished it woo

[lofty kernel]

It looks fantastic!

[azure nebula]

This is lovely! I really like the colors and shading style!

[stuck ravine]

CUTE!!!

[stuck ravine]

CUTEx2!!!

[tidal grove]

Oo, another back art?

[lunar garden]

bloody amazing and overwelmingly cute

[remote vortex]

I feel sorry for aquwa but I do want to see more vedal back so... eh it evens out

[oblique badge]

💀

[remote vortex]

one must learn to appreciate the male form to be an artist.... probably most artist I knew drew a palis before

[oblique badge]

It all started as a joke with a couple of arts, now it's dozens and it's not funny anymore

[remote vortex]

true

[tidal grove]

It will become funny again once we pass dozens and reach hundreds

[remote vortex]

A compilation is funny

[urban summit]

Now I know the context. That's one of the biggest humiliation I've ever seen in this year.

[fringe granite]

I still cant draw circles.

[thick gale]

show me your circle

[chrome stirrup]

more crease studies

https://x.com/evanlee082/status/1891441435997618552?s=46

EVAN LEE (@EVANLEE082) on X

Just a Simple tutorial~ You will need it.🤡
#evanlee #patreon #joinmypatreon #togettherecord #andPSD #evanartweb.com

X · Feb 17, 2025, 10:55 AM

[fringe granite]

It's too small and not even round

[urban summit]

I'll provide you the method, hang on.

[thick gale]

squared paper provides great opportunities to place key points

do four as apexes and do four quarters of circle

idk

then do halves

then full circle

this only comes with practice unfortunately

have to draw thouthands of them

like in those eastern movies

[urban summit]

Can you see it?

[thick gale]

as its very simple shape its only about muscle memory

[urban summit]

Ok this might be better

[fringe granite]

I will try it that way

I can't really practice the eyes I don't have a face base

So thx for the help

[chrome stirrup]

a little bit of trig helps

[fringe granite]

Yeah. Once I start drawing on pc I might actually use a tool to make circles

[chrome stirrup]

the height of the triangle is half of the unit circle at 30 degrees and is also the same distance from the vertical at 60

so you can add those to your landmarks

[fringe granite]

?

I still mess up big circles. Sad. Small circles get better

I don't know what to draw as a means of practicing. Last time I drew a dress of one of my anime figures but rn I don't know what to draw

[thick gale]

circles

[fringe granite]

I could. But it makes me depressed

Ah found something.

Btw I have something that I am curious about.

Where do you guys start making a character? Doo you start with the head?

[thick gale]

i start with the torso

but it depends on what type of art

[fringe granite]

Ah. I always end up trying to draw the clothes first. Idk why

[potent basalt]

it depends but I often start from top

[fringe granite]

I tried making a skirt. Ideas how I could improve the knits in the clothing?

[potent basalt]

it does look like you have a right idea... like depending of level of detail it seems fine

[fringe granite]

Tried drawing her but I messed up the face and I don't know how to draw the legs so that she doesn't look extremely dumb

But I think I did quite well for my first time

[potent basalt]

the left one is reference, right? I feel that in the reference way artist drew the legs look kind of akward with rest of the pose

you can see how lines in the clothing imply where her legs go

oh yeah that's one thing... one good way to add lines to clothing is to imagine how the body would be underearth... so like gravity shapes clothing against the character's body

[fringe granite]

I see. I will try this for future chars

[potent basalt]

I have sometimes found it to be a bit awkward when it comes to arms and hands... like not wanting to have them in "default" position just hanging on a side but also not placed awkwardly... legs can also have that thing going

[potent basalt]

I'm glad you found what I said potentially useful... I have been only drawing actively for a few years

[storm flicker]

Finally done withh this bs

[long rune]

this is so hard

i got so many things wrong , how am i gonna get good

[fringe granite]

its not even a week for me. so anything helps

[tidal grove]

Eventually you will get things right

[long rune]

ok

[fringe granite]

i think your drawing is already very good

[potent basalt]

it seems you have quite good grasp of art already... like, you're already trying to tackle perspective which is good ^^

[fringe granite]

its just that i cant focus on stuff like drawing circles and the basic stuff. i try to get around by increasing focus by drawing what i want to draw

[potent basalt]

I can relate

[storm flicker]

Ok i finished it

[potent basalt]

heh... looks like concept art... I like it

[storm flicker]

Thank you do you. Think this looks better

[potent basalt]

it indeed does look better... having silohuette like background really adds to it

[storm flicker]

Ohh okay thank you

[potent basalt]

btw learning by drawing what one wants to draw is so valid way and it's how I have preferred to do it too... like I practice various aspects of drawings as part of doing artworks... so they are both practice and something I publish online... I think it makes also quite bit of sense while drawing digitally as you can undo your lines and stuff so you get that practice in while doing... while physical medium on paper making a mistake is such bother to correct or wanting to draw line better is much more work to erase line and do it again

[barren notch]

What forms of art apply here? Only visual, or also audio?

[potent basalt]

I think any form of art that makes one "artist"

I'm not 100% sure though where the line is

[barren notch]

Yeah.. for now i just have been posting my music in general lol

[white arrow]

I can do better..

[austere pilot]

a little uncanny tbh, not the greatest i've ever done

[random osprey]

Yesterday, I was about to work on a custom character for a friend, but my brain said, "do this instead"

WIP drawing of my main sona ^-^

[potent basalt]

the character looks cool

[ashen valley]

sketching our beloved mod

[long rune]

nice sharp eyes

[oblique badge]

[long rune]

sharpness VI

[ashen valley]

127

[ashen valley]

tsun shiro, i think this is enough for today

[urban summit]

Happy Birthday Shiro 🎂

[ashen valley]

lol

[icy vale]

If it includes anything from your imagination and putting it irl I consider art, heck I even consider just mowing the lawn is an art form, (cuz of the thing you can do with cutting grass)

[buoyant gorge]

sketching some OC idea

[ashen valley]

cute

[coarse vale]

Sometimes i forgor

[urban summit]

It happens.

I wonder what if we draw something that we saw like a week or a month ago base on our memory. What would we get right or wrong.

[steady tulip]

that and putting the heart pin on the wrong side

[carmine seal]

you would get accused of using ai lol

[urban summit]

How?

[carmine seal]

people would see the mistakes and think its an ai hallucinating

[vernal crescent]

common mistakes are missing fingers, but you dont need a reference image to know how many fingers are on a hand

maybe some hair/clothing elements will be missing but thats fine

[urban summit]

But the mistake artist would make is not that ai level of stupid.

Or subtle

[coarse vale]

https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

[carmine seal]

ok i probably should have thought for a few more seconds before typing

[carmine seal]

i sent the message above a bit earlier but my internet broke

[urban summit]

🤔

[icy vale]

Lmao

Lemme try fixing it

There

[urban summit]

Bread shows their Australian trait.

[mint root]

Never done that, but I have forgotten the hairpin multiple times

[full jolt]

Oh yea, that's umm me so...

[wise egret]

..

[stray wave]

Nice job that’s kinda my skill level but can kinda consonantly get faces and hair and body like the character if I can remember it well but nice job on it I hope u can make it better

[full jolt]

Thanks for that)

[stray wave]

No problem just went to look at this before i went for my walk have a good day

[full jolt]

You too

[long rune]

Its over my drawing hand hurts

[scenic hamlet]

What if ai is just so smart it recognises the feebleness of having a mere five digits per hand? What if the truth is that we ought to be better.

[austere pilot]

Just a practice track to polish my skills, really

(yes its inspired by another song heavily)

this is the main track i work on when bored

[stray wave]

Nice song I think it will work out well

[fringe granite]

now that i have 100% cleared ender lilies to honor the character i drawed yesterday, i can start a new drawing

[scenic hamlet]

Jazz jackrabbit?

[signal tide]

It's done. at least within my current skill level.
To be honest, the final result looks kind of ugly, and the background is a total mess.
I really need to think about why I create in the first place—Is it for Neuro? for the joy of drawing?
or just for my own desire to chase recognition

[lunar garden]

damn

its over view looks nice

[lunar garden]

looks great i say

coming from someone who has not touched digital art

[deep hornet]

Look pretty nice

[austere pilot]

there we go

[buoyant gorge]

whatever the case it is for how you feel about it, which is how most artists feel about their own works as well, there are some people, like me, who are glad you finished it and posted it anyways

sometimes the why matters less than just choosing to do it, and you chose to finish it

[coarse vale]

practice

[deep hornet]

Saitama :PagMan:

[placid sky]

so trying like a more detailed (tehnfaded) prelimnary rough technique and im liking it so far

[deep hornet]

[ashen valley]

close to finish

[potent basalt]

I think it's overall well done but yeah it does feel like she has a massive forehead under that hair... which is not so unusual with some anime styles... I feel that due shading skin looks overall so "grey"... grey is often avoided with shading due it can make art appear "dull" especially skin but it has its place depending of overall composition... so giving her more healthy looking skin with some red could help a lot

I think it's a good drawing

[storm flicker]

Rendering shadows

[lyric pike]

still jello looking?

[potent basalt]

that's so awesome

really like the dragon's design

[ashen valley]

your art is really very good

I like it a lot

[storm flicker]

thank you

[ashen valley]

i think im done with this

i can die now in peace

[potent basalt]

nice tsundere ^^

[cloud sky]

youre a lil over a month early for the real birthday

lol

[ashen valley]

Nuh uh, im just early for the next bday

[cloud sky]

lil over 7 weeks till my birthday too

[buoyant gorge]

Very cute

[fickle spruce]

When’s your birthday heir?

[frigid wyvern]

Neuro abominations

[potent basalt]

horror neuro

I have pretty good idea what I want to draw next... just gotta start the lineart

[brittle sun]

wip

changed up a few thing from usualy work process

no lineart and changed the way i did hair render

[lilac rapids]

u ppl are wizards

[potent basalt]

it's hard to be fair to oneself when it comes to own drawings

like one thing is I don't want to be someone who acts arrogant but I definitely don't rate my own art high enough

[shy sun]

Heya! Do any pixel artists want to help make a game about Neuro in Undertales style?

[buoyant gorge]

the artist’s paradox right here.

though you can be content with your pieces and still feel like you could’ve done even better. there’s always new heights to aspire towards.

[brittle sun]

the problem with being the artist is that you see your own faults and know what you struggled with or what didnt look like you wanted it to look like

[austere pilot]

such a minor difference that i cant even remember what i changed

sorry if i derailed the convo btw

[buoyant gorge]

true. tho it does feel accomplished when u overcome personal plateaus that you’ve struggled with in the past. We’re always more self-critical of ourselves, but if we compare our earlier works to our current works, the improvements we make are pretty significant and we can be satisfied with that.

tho the journey of improvement will always continue

[brittle sun]

the best way to see your own growth is to keep a timeline of your work

[buoyant gorge]

looks good

[buoyant gorge]

like a portfolio of past pieces.

[potent basalt]

rationally I know my art is not bad and I know rare comments I get in most places indicate it too but it's more about not wanting others to think I overrate my art either... I'm definitely fine with my progress and don't view it as a competition (while still trying to improve regardless)

[buoyant gorge]

i still remember each major stepping stone of my art when i felt like i understood something that helped me level up my workflow and fundamentals

[brittle sun]

problem of that is when you scroll you cant scroll past one point cause you hate everything you did

but hey thats a sign of improvement

[buoyant gorge]

u could always pose open ended questions about a particular concern u have. those usually generate objective responses.

[austere pilot]

thamk you

[buoyant gorge]

like, what do you think about the color? etc

or something like do you think i can change anything about the perspective, proportions etc

[buoyant gorge]

i started shifting my perspective a bit on this recently. Though i am still mostly my own biggest self-critic I’m starting to see that the only reason I gravitated towards hating the way my art looked in the past, is because I truly love art as a whole, and wanted to be able to live up to where I thought i could have been as an artist. I wanted to prove to myself that I could meet the expectations and personal standards I set for myself, and not do a disservice to myself as a representative of the arts.

after that, i realize all the little mistakes, all the nuances that i wouldve hated before, is just what it means to be a real artist.

if i didnt like art, i would’ve just ignored those mistakes, thought myself a greater artist than i was, and only focused on the commercial aspects of art, rather than my personal growth and heartfelt expression through the canvas.

[alpine belfry]

something something something idk for a ttrpg

[buoyant gorge]

cool design

[alpine belfry]

Thanks

[ebon rivet]

Multipass by kilohearts is 50% off right now so I picked up. Definitely recommend, can make some cool stuff with it!

[lilac rapids]

I know nothing about music production but I am a Noise Enjoyer and I certify that these are indeed some good noises

[mint root]

First step is basically accepting its not gonna look good and focus on how you can improve and which parts you want to work on, I've personally never hated my art. I know it is bad but you know people start somewhere and I'm trying my best

[misty pendant]

That's a great mindset!

[potent basalt]

sure if I had really big concern of something relating to art I could probably ask about it such a way

can't wait for spring... this time of the year is tough due outside weather

[chrome stirrup]

Pray!

[misty pendant]

I swear it's still going to be cold in March.

[chrome stirrup]

that's our christian AI

[potent basalt]

https://puu.sh/KouJH/13dba8d49a.png

haha... almost want to draw this one bald XD

[stuck ravine]

https://bsky.app/profile/devilcorp.bsky.social/post/3liipiycqwk24

Devilredd (@devilcorp.bsky.social)

Comm for Anon

I should really play Curse Crackers sometime…
#rkgk #CurseCrackers

Bluesky · Feb 19, 2025, 2:18 AM

[chrome stirrup]

damn now that's dynamic

[stuck ravine]

[jaunty quiver]

Blender Toon Shader with colored lighting finally works

[grave plaza]

So cool!

[white arrow]

WIP

[limber niche]

cerbr wip

[white arrow]

Nice.

[scarlet bear]

Not really art but I want to share it somewhere

[remote vortex]

photography is it's art I think

[scarlet bear]

Ok

In gn it wasn’t really a nice place to post so I post here instead

[coarse vale]

Hands

[chrome stirrup]

hand studies

[storm stream]

sillymaxxing

[chrome stirrup]

I hate inking

[lone moat]

any tips

[potent basalt]

well... I think the character looks fine but that top right area of hair could "turn" more smoothly

https://x.com/Clord124/status/1892088276917321933

Clord ✨ Looking for Artmoots ✨ (@Clord124) on X

Catgirl Lofi Neuro is in her natural cozy environment. She's using a fancy virtual keyboard that can also do other things like be used as a tablet for drawing. #heartheartart #evilneuro #Neurosama #artmoots #artmoot #Vtuber #wipart

X · Feb 19, 2025, 5:46 AM

[sleek apex]

Designing my very first Fakemon (a Flying Eeveelution) before the Pokemon Presents on Friday and I can't decide where to place the wings

I might go with 4 wings (2 at the back and one on each front leg)

[potent basalt]

I like the top right one

it has wings where you typically would put them with this kind of design

[sleek apex]

Oooh good point, thank you!

[potent basalt]

no problem ^^

typically if fictional creatures have wings in odd places they tend to have more than one pair to balance it out

[icy vale]

hi i made do on connecting my pc to my phone so i can atleast post here lule
this my wip

[thorn plank]

[sleek apex]

Let's goooo ♪

[prime bronze]

Honestly want to make this more idk, immense?

[thick gale]

The black hole?

[prime bronze]

kinda yeah

[thick gale]

Maybe put black hole in the centre and make characters smaller

Or just the second

[tidal grove]

I'd expand the picture vertically, if that's an option.

and yeah, making characters smaller would definitely make it feel more immense

and maybe put them on the left third, so that there's more black around them

[urban summit]

I have two ideas

1. make both Aqua and Vedal seems closer to the pic by making them bigger at the 3rd left of the picture. Also tilt the pic to give the sense of scale even more intense
2. Like Troobs idea, make them smaller and put them at the 3rd lower left ot the pic

You can also add the background detail (represented in red-pink color on this pic) to add more the sense of scales.
Like the projectile line of comets or expanding star-trails.

Sorry for bad sketches.

[steady tulip]

You could consider letterboxing, which is just adding black bars to the top and bottom. It could give it a cinematic look a lot of movies have. I would also consider moving the characters to the foreground compositionally if you don’t want to make them smaller, just to highlight the distance

Scuffed example

[prime bronze]

Oh I don't mind, All my sketches are shite

But thank you all for your opinions on this, this'll really help out with my compositioning

[icy vale]

is this for a banner? looks nice

whats the canvas size btw

[prime bronze]

I honestly forgot

[icy vale]

thats okay

im not even done with mine anyways , might make a banner aswell in the next art i do

[sleek apex]

Black hole accretion discs are made of light so maybe make the white and blue parts glow?

[urban summit]

I'm curious, has anyone here drawn Neuro and Neuroverse related people in a famous place/tourist attraction?
I only know one did.

[fringe granite]

hey guys. i need some help again

i wanna draw her. how should i go about the veil

[thick gale]

digitally?

traditionally it is by making lineart thinner and using 2H-3H pen or smth

digitally it is making the layer transparent

[analog pollen]

I was trying out my new color pencil and it was good but my coloring skill is literal ass

pls gib me a good yt vid for color theory

[prime bronze]

Oh my god!!

My cousin

[analog pollen]

suddenly i hunger

mmm paper apple

[thick gale]

at first

more simplified

its easier to do it in one color at first

[analog pollen]

so we use the main colour first then put some colour for lighting and shading later?

only the highlight is untouched right?

[thick gale]

yeah

wdym untouched

[analog pollen]

no colour for the highlight are

just pure white?

[thick gale]

basically yes

[analog pollen]

yippee

thanks for teaching me

[thick gale]

but its still better not to leave empty space but to paint it white

[analog pollen]

so you mean to colour it still with the white colored pencil?

[thick gale]

yes

[analog pollen]

is it to make it seems more solid

[fringe granite]

i draw on paper rn. still dont have drawing tablet

[thick gale]

you can also draw the folds to show that there is smth in front of the face

[fringe granite]

well maybe i am gonna keep Nola for when i draw on PC then

[thick gale]

the veiled virgin sculpture is also a quite good reference

[fringe granite]

thx for your suggestion. i will try if i run out of characters before i get a drawing tablet. otherwise i will draw her on PC

[thick gale]

yeah it will be easy that way

[potent basalt]

ah the artwork is so heavenly

[potent basalt]

useful as word reference... like I do so many art things but memorizing terminology is something I could pay more attention to

[vivid wagon]

The colour and distinction of the highlight depends on the colour of the light source and the reflectiveness of the materials surface. Not all materials have noticeable highlights.

[potent basalt]

some people might find why you are acting odd but... I would recommend to stare interesting details in your enviorment when it comes how light etc acts

actually examine what you're seeing

[thick gale]

Apple has vax on its surface so in that specific case it will have quite distinctive highlight

But its still true, material matters

[potent basalt]

it's part of why I like to depict metal in some of my drawings... it's so reflective material

[urban summit]

WIP sketch

[potent basalt]

interested of how it turns out ^^

[fringe granite]

looks nice. kinda remembers me of Ruan Mei. i also found my next project.

i will try one of the 3 versions on the left.

[potent basalt]

such cool horror character designs

I found japanese, etc horror so much more creative than usual western stuff but it's one of those preference things... some other asian countries have it going too quite a bit... like one thing is that they trust listener can think or something like that... stories that end without having a resolution and then it's up to people listening to come up what happened next

it's less focused to having a monster chasing you style of thing with definitive ending

[long rune]

schizo time

[potent basalt]

that's quite a collection of references to use

[long rune]

oh thats nothing

[potent basalt]

I know some artists like to use tons of references for a single drawing but for example I tend to rely more to my own mind and storing details there... I think these methods are apples and oranges as people work differently

[long rune]

sure, until hands (thunder clap)

[potent basalt]

hands is such a classic XD

[tidal grove]

I just have several pureref files in which i store a lot of different references.

[brittle sun]

pureref is rly useful

[potent basalt]

I should build some kind of reference database too over time but I'm still google images pleb when it comes to references

like actually organize them and store

I got used to memorize things and I'm very much visual thinker additionally to having inner voice and stuff so... I tend to refer there instead of actually doing the smart thing to just note things down etc

outside of something really important like complex passwords

[chrome stirrup]

did you give a name to your oc btw

the one that looks like a dapper neuro

[tidal grove]

Who?

The blond one? With white skin? In a suite? Wouldn't say she looks like a dapper neuro
Her name is Toorbine

[chrome stirrup]

😉

looks great btw, haven't seen her in your animations aside from that one time though

[tidal grove]

Wait, which time?

[chrome stirrup]

on your YT I think

maybe it was a community post though

my memory eludes me at the moment

[tidal grove]

Ah, in posts. Yeah, i have some drawings with her

[slow arch]

[chrome stirrup]

I fucked up lmao the entire windshield is going to block their faces

[frail gorge]

maybe move the camera slightly to the left then you only have to adjust the rough draft

[chrome stirrup]

it's not 3d though

[limber niche]

finished it yippee https://x.com/soulgluttony/status/1892384846694981845

key on vgen! (@soulgluttony) on X

wanwan rkgk #cerberart

X · Feb 20, 2025, 1:24 AM

[cloud sky]

[edgy sigil]

@cloud sky @cloud sky @cloud sky

[cloud sky]

hi

[urban summit]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-hi-mark-tommy-wiseay-the-room-gif-27575841

Oh hi Vivi and Heir

[limber niche]

man i wrote it wrong LMAO literally only just noticed😭

[cloud sky]

god i love cerber

[limber niche]

god i love cerber....

good enough i guess

😭

[frail gorge]

I understand, so I guess you just have to redraw it 🙂

[frail gorge]

Oh wait, since Vedal’s face looks so frightened, why not just make that wind shield break

Also some anime will make character’s hair half transparent in order for people to see their expression, you could do that too

[alpine belfry]

Pretty much done. Can't fall into the infinite spiral

[halcyon echo]

Productive evening

[prime bronze]

Does Anyone have that one gif where some random people start flying in a field

[urban summit]

Can you give me more description? It's kinda vague.

[prime bronze]

All I can remember is like 4 dudes? sudden start flying in some wheat field

[urban summit]

No clue. Is it a meme?

[prime bronze]

probably?

[urban summit]

All I know that fit the descpition is this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIgDRxkuwwg

[prime bronze]

YES THAT'S THE ONE

[urban summit]

This frame specifically

[prime bronze]

Thank you for your help

[wise egret]

My first (ish) time trying to do lineart? from a sketch and wth how does everyone do it!? I hate this it looks wrong every time I re-do the line

[urban summit]

It seems that way to you because you do something out of your usual style, which is a rough sketch.
But let me tell you, it's not bad. Try to do the whole thing first and then analyze/fix it after.

[gentle spire]

i know it means man i love cerber but it also means mirrorless interchangeable lens camera

[urban summit]

Mother, I love Cerber.

Mods, I love Candice.

[ashen yacht]

I'm struggling with anatomy but this is my art

[buoyant gorge]

relatable struggles. not too shabby tho!

[fringe granite]

the strugle of finding a good beginner tablet to draw on hits again.

[austere pilot]

testing an alternative for the eyes

alternating between tablets so some lines are deeper than others

old eyes for comparison

[lyric pike]

death princess eliv

[brittle sun]

kan is cooking

[deep hornet]

Damn

[oak hamlet]

Any SVP/UST or similar?

(I'm in a very SVP/UST/VSQ/VSQX hunting mood)

[pure skiff]

SVP/UST? I used a bunch of scripts and pre-made music data, so idk

not sure what that is

[oak hamlet]

SVP is a SynthV project file, UST is the Utau equivalent

[pure skiff]

Suno AI as the base

Ah, well, I can probably get a program to make it

when I have time, ill do that

I'm a script-kiddie and writer, not a programmer or actual music expert

[oak hamlet]

I'm just looking for these random files for all kinds of stuff because they allow me and Wispers to make cool Neuro covers easily

And making Neuro and Evil covers is very fun

[pure skiff]

Itll probly take you less time to reconstruct it yourself than me to find a good program to seperate the instruments

the database is a black box that i have no idea how to unpack

[oak hamlet]

Separating instrumentals is easy

[pure skiff]

very proprietary

not at all open source

[oak hamlet]

Converting a vocal to an SVP is not

[pure skiff]

Ah!

vocals!

i can do that

[oak hamlet]

Unless your vocal is very clean and has separate stems, it's useless

[pure skiff]

I have the text file and music so shoving it into a program to make it should be easy

[oak hamlet]

Like, if you have a clean enough vocal, it could directly be turned into a Neuro cover

[pure skiff]

no, you reall underestimate stem-splitting AI

i got u

working on it

the voice and sound-kit is being generated, and I can split the instruments from there

[pure skiff]

Can you comment, like, and sub tho, Im kinda annoyified by the lack of response...

[oak hamlet]

I'm not that active with that kind of stuff on YouTube, I usually just watch and hunt down files

[pure skiff]

😦

then naw

quid to the pro-quo bro

[oak hamlet]

I'm just having fun going all over the internet looking for songs to make Neuro and Evil covers out of with the powerful voice tech I have
This is the kind of stuff I'm capable of

[pure skiff]

Alright, well Im still working on remastering the stems now that you told me thats a thing that can be done by accident, so ill just... work on it

[oak hamlet]

Are you referring to making a Neuro cover out of it or just splitting the stems?

[pure skiff]

No, I just split the stems and am doing the vocal enhancment

[oak hamlet]

Silly

[pure skiff]

Well, the vocals alone kinda sounds bad

[oak hamlet]

Well, have fun with whatever it is you're making
I guess let me know if you want to use my insanely accurate Neuro voices for some reason
I'll go back to hunting files

[pure skiff]

Alrighty

[pure skiff]

Well, I can seperate the vocals and the instruments but something goes wrong with re-merging the remastered vocals so, meh

ill figure it out

[austere pilot]

did a little bit of work on the eye and added a funny blink, cleaned up in general

[fringe granite]

Guys how do I draw arms and legs? I finished the body and now I don't know where to start arms and legs and how to form them

[austere pilot]

a very very shitty drawing of three different examples of me doing it. i also need the advice tbh XD

[fringe granite]

Well you at least could do something. I don't know how and what to do tbh

Day 7 since I started drawing btw. Thanks to everyone who has helped me out so far. I really am grateful for all your support

[austere pilot]

I suggest you take a look at line of action for inspiration on poses

and that is also great for getting a feel for how body parts look when striking a pose, standing, sitting etc, which helps with learning anatomy as well

[vivid wagon]

Generally I would always recommend building the base anatomy first before drawing clothes on top, even if the former is very rough.

[icy vale]

whats the font of neuro's subtitles?

[oblique badge]

first coffee

[icy vale]

thanks

[fringe granite]

how do you do that. like generaly i cant even think of where to start that way

legs and hands is where i mess up. especialy the feet and hands look always weird and i dont know how to draw them

[vivid wagon]

there are different approaches, but learning basics of anatomy is always a pain tbh. You gotta condition your eyes/brain on the right proportions

I usually start with the head and work myself down, but others start with the torso (or even any other part of the body)

[frigid wyvern]

Proko's free version of his anatomy course is a very good source for information about the form, function and details of anatomy

[fringe granite]

im gonna take a look then. arms are no problem but hands and feet? no chance right now XD

[frigid wyvern]

Assuming you already understand things like form and perspective. If not, you should prioritize these for now (not that you can't learn anatomy with them, but they are the more fundamental subjects).

[vivid wagon]

But do keep drawing things that you just enjoy drawing too! Focusing on dry practice is a fast road to burn out and frustration.

[fringe granite]

i dont even know how i should get into perspective and stuff without drawing bodies

[vivid wagon]

And always keep in mind: There are no absolute ways to progress and learn, art is a different path for every single individual

[vivid wagon]

boxes lots of boxes

[fringe granite]

?

[vivid wagon]

https://drawabox.com/

check the lessons

[frigid wyvern]

Boxes are simplest and most clear way of showcasing perspective. You can draw pretty much anything by taking a box and making it more complex. It's not as simple as I'm making it out to be, but that's the general idea

[fringe granite]

i took a look at the site but idk what its for

[vivid wagon]

Perspective means thinking in 3 dimensional space instead of 2d lines. And you learn that by figuring out simple shapes like boxes, cylinders and cubes and how to build up other forms (including bodies, arms, hands etc) from them

[frigid wyvern]

It's a free course that aims to teach new artists the fundamentals of drawing

[fringe granite]

the stuff with boxes and stuff like that is already fine for me. i had that in school in technical drawing. but idk how to go from that to bodyparts

[frigid wyvern]

As Illustrated here (courtesy of art teacher Marshall Vandruff), things can be simplified into basic forms (like boxes and cylinders). The trick is to find how you can translate the subject and it's elements into these basic shapes. It is no different with anatomy.

[fringe granite]

huh. i will try looking it up for the anatomy. since idc about stuff thit isnt an accesiore, clothing or body

[vivid wagon]

It is a lot of trial and error either way. You will probably draw 100 shitty arms before you get one right. That's just part of the process.

Learning art is mainly a thing of endurance and determination.

[fringe granite]

yeah i know that. thats why i dont draw an OC yet

[frigid wyvern]

It is recommended that you start drawing the ideas you have now, even if you don't think you have the technical skill to make it look good. You can use it as a way to measure your progress. Waiting for when you're "good enough" will be frustrating, as drawing is a continuous learning process.

[vivid wagon]

Yep, as long as you aren't too hard on yourself you should just go for whatever you want.

I love looking at my old drawings and compare them to my current ones, it is hilarious

[fringe granite]

ok i will try drawing that tomorrow.

[royal bluff]

fingers

i need to start drawing again

[fringe granite]

ok?

[royal bluff]

yes

[vivid wagon]

I should stop drawing so much and focus on other things

[royal bluff]

lol I was in that phase before

then I found something called a job

[fringe granite]

yea. i am a first year student so i test out various things in hope that i find smth that clicks

programming and drawing is both fun

[potent basalt]

aside of job probably not allowing it... it's totally valid to pull off both... keep other one as a hobby for example

[vivid wagon]

just do 🌈 everything🌈

[lyric pike]

i always advice people to do this

if u dont know u if u like anything then do all the thing to find out

i should be a 3rd year in computer science rn but i quit and be a 1st year on graphic design

[fringe granite]

i study AI

[lyric pike]

the thing is u better choose fast

not putting 100 into 1 thing wont make it

i was failing my classes while not having art done on time

[potent basalt]

I got ridiculed back in the day of not having a clue what I would want to do so I have money to pay bills... I was being too honest

so many near adults genuinely don't know what they want but they still try to be social about it so they just throw they want to do this and that as their career

it's often quite a few years into adulthood people start to really get an idea by experience

back then and even now telling you want to be an artist is one of those big gambles to earn enough per month as your actual job

[fringe granite]

thats true. i will also go for a job in AI after i am done studying and the use my time to get better at drawing and look for a drawing job once i am good enough. at least thats my plan rn. i will see how that works out

[barren tulip]

Hey everyone! 👋

I don’t normally join servers just to share stuff, but this track was too good to keep to myself. Had to drop it here before I dip. Hope someone enjoys it as much as I did!

[potent basalt]

how was the track made? just asking since there is so much AI generated music nowadays

it does souind good

[barren tulip]

ai

udio for the base track

then suno for the cover

then rvc

took me thousands of credits to get where i liked it

[potent basalt]

that's burning a lot of credits

[barren tulip]

yeah but apparantly they expire

and I stupidly bought 1 year worth and never used

so i burned em all

[potent basalt]

makes sense

[oak hamlet]

Strange stuff

[barren tulip]

i really want a local music model

i hate the cloud

[oak hamlet]

When I make covers Wispers usually makes the base vocal with SynthV and then either of us RVCs it with Neuro, Evil or whatever we want to use, then I mix it

[potent basalt]

reminds me of audible credits... having bunch of leftover credits and having to spend them to something before expiring lol... it's typical for online services that offer credits

[oak hamlet]

What kind of music model though? Something like SynthV or a full chain one? I consider the full chain ones to be slop

[barren tulip]

yeah full chain can be a bit much

be nice to have both though

my speech samples from testing

i think i got close ish

2 is the real voice

so my idk2 was what i got

[oak hamlet]

I'll just stick to the stuff we're using
Our Neuro and Evil RVC models are the most accurate ones available

[barren tulip]

yeah i didnt realize stuff existed

i like to make things myself

[oak hamlet]

Well, your thing is very much inferior to what we have

[barren tulip]

yes

[oak hamlet]

If you were going for Neuro with those you completely failed

[barren tulip]

after passing thru suno cover with a real neuro clip as source it did pretty well though

[oak hamlet]

I wonder

[oak hamlet]

I would say it's nowhere near accurate
this is accurate

[barren tulip]

yeah

i was thinking like a grown up neuro idk

[oak hamlet]

Neuro RVC ran on your output (Neuro RVC V11 is optimized for singing)

I think even Neuro RVC speech output is closer than what you got
And Neuro RVC was never trained on any Neuro speech

[barren tulip]

neat

[oak hamlet]

It really is an insane model

The stuff we can make with it is crazy

[oak hamlet]

These are some of my best ones

If you want to make Neuro covers, it's recommended to use Neuro RVC V11, for that, with the best known base voice being SynthV Solaria

[barren tulip]

neat

i wanna remake it now

[oak hamlet]

Very silly

[ashen yacht]

Sleep deprived half finished concept art I was doing for my game last night

[potent basalt]

are you doing actual art assets for your own game?

oh

concept art... gotcha XD

makes sense... it's good way to show what you want

[ashen yacht]

Ye, I wanna work on the sprites soon, but I'm still deciding the sizes

[potent basalt]

there are so many ways to go around it... depending of fidelity

but that's obvious of course XD

very retro would be just go with 32x32 block logic... having character's boundaries like 32x48 or some such

but that's just thinking something like final fantasy lol

[ashen yacht]

True

[elder halo]

very artistic

[ashen yacht]

My yearly decision, ears or no ears 💔

This has been on and off for four years and I can never decide

[vivid wagon]

One or the other, but please don't do human and cat ears

[ashen yacht]

i just forgot to erase

i havent had caffine today

being awake has been a struggle

[fringe granite]

i feel you my friend

[daring dagger]

holy cinema ✋🤚

[cloud sky]

human+cat ears is peak

4 ears club

[thick gale]

double the hearing

[cloud sky]

i always see it as vestgial human ears

[chrome stirrup]

they're like a multi phase radar array

two ears are good for determining lateral position but not quite for vertical position

[tidal grove]

What if they wear fake human ears

[chrome stirrup]

three would let you determine the absolute position of a sound source, and four would be great for multi target tracking

[cloud sky]

amazng idea

[vivid wagon]

(source: idk)

[granite tendon]

https://x.com/VERTIGRIS_ART/status/1459715075636350979

[cloud sky]

all but the last 2 are valid

[plain kindle]

what about 4 cat ears

[cloud sky]

BE NOT AFRIAD

[vivid wagon]

wait, let me search for the extended version

[potent basalt]

plenty of four eared anime characters ^^

on catgirl category at least

[vivid wagon]

ngl, girl with four cat ears works

[potent basalt]

it's convenience to just imply there are hidden ears for example... due eyeglasses, headphones, etc it's something artists tend to do lol

[cloud sky]

oh an extended version exists
I just mad this real quick

[vivid wagon]

My favourite LoL character is neeko and I have drawn her quite a few times by now. And I still don't know whether she has ears or not

[potent basalt]

my headcanon is that they got sensitive hearing so having headphones for example is nice way to reduce loud noises

[vivid wagon]

It makes drawing her very... complicated at times

[tardy frost]

drew neurosama

[icy vale]

finished!

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1342241333187969145

[potent basalt]

actually brilliant idea to have such cards for people that tend to impulse buy

thinking context of... someone is considering buying something gacha...

[dark egret]

Hey, guys. I need your guys' ideas.

I was thinking of drawing Anny but her character is just anime girl with tail and fox ears. Which is not bad per se but it just seems a bit too easy.

So I'm thinking of going with a more feral design. Vertical pupils, only one set of ears, and overall sharper features. You guys have more ideas I can incorporate?

[ocean pier]

you could give her claws, or like claw-esque sharp acrylic nails

[naive turtle]

Rabies

[thick gale]

it was fun

but the most fun is still ahead

[potent basalt]

cool

[icy vale]

i have this idea of aquwa holding a blackhole (got an inspiration on apple's art) like in interstellar when the guy first saw the blackhole (as a reference)

[sly bane]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1342331671655223326

[potent basalt]

figuring out base colors https://puu.sh/KoCDS/914cd04bd4.png

[warm dagger]

Dont ever draw in this style, so let me know whats off. Ill have to color it later anyways.

[potent basalt]

I think I know what you mean... it gives weird "grey alien" vibes while looking at their faces

or like dolls

but honestly it could turn out to look just fine... part of the drawing is trusting to process by experience, etc

[warm dagger]

Yea, the faces are what im unsure about. This style is very alien to me

How should i fix the eyes, or at least tweak them?

[potent basalt]

yeah... now that you mention it I think it's outline of the eyes that makes them look odd

like if I drew eyes it would be more like this https://puu.sh/KoCWS/0491bb8e7e.png

there are many ways to make good looking eyes but overall shape is a big factor

[small prawn]

getting closer to finishing this

[ornate orchid]

you could push evil's nose a bit to the left side of her face, the outline of the nose is a little bit too close to the right eye

or move her right eye a bit more to the right side of her face

and you dont usually need to outline where the white of her eyes end, you can leave them as empty spaces and have her eye lashes define the outline of the eyes

[potent basalt]

it also can look just fine once colored... early stages art can be misleading

[ornate orchid]

or you can use that so you know where to color the eye portion and the skin, and just erase it afterwards

[sleek apex]

Can I ask other artists opinions? Not really Neuro related

I drew these 3 this week. The first 2 are in dark scenes and I really love how they turned out, but I'm not loving the 3rd pic in the bright scene

I can't keep just drawing dark scenes forever 😅 So what do you think I'm doing wrong with the bright drawing compared to the dark ones?

It just doesn't seem to pop

I don't know how to describe it

[buoyant gorge]

This might be a bit of an essay but if you want my take on it, I hope this helps.

Making an image like this pop is almost always lighting related. A few things you could try is lowering the values of your shadows a bit and making it match the direction of the light source. Some of your shadows (like the one under the wing) don’t match the light direction coming from the left (as indicated by the sky gradient) and additionally, the colors you chose for the shadow have to be influenced by the blue sky (ambient lighting) but instead you chose a desaturated purplish color.

The area near bottom end of the green parts of the ear would also need to be darker to both emphasize the form of the inner ear, and also because light doesn’t travel in there (AKA ambient occlusion shadows). There should also be darker shadows in the gap between the legs near where the legs connect to the stomach for the same reasons.

Adding more shadows where the wings are (to separate each individual wing and give it form), darkening parts of the sky around the character (to contrast against the character’s white hue a bit more), and using more saturated color tones around the furry patches of the body would also help with focusing your eyes on those areas of hue contrast.

Lastly a bit of brighter highlights around the edges of the left side of the creature (facing the light direction) with a subtle glow effect caused by using a soft brush plus white (or whatever light color you’re using) would emphasize and increase the focus on the face, which should be the main focal point of the character.

[sleek apex]

Omg this is super helpful!!

[buoyant gorge]

Part of the reason why it doesn’t feel like it pops is because the color choices and lighting make the character’s feel like part of the clouds and sky around it. You would have to adjust either the hue, saturation, value to contrast the shadows and create a form to differentiate it from the sky around.

[buoyant gorge]

i do a lot of dark color palettes too so i had to go thru the same thing

[sleek apex]

Thank you so much! I'm writing down what you said

That makes a lot of sense, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. I just knew something felt off

[buoyant gorge]

looking forward to seeing the final result! Looks good regardless!

[sleek apex]

Thank you so much 💕

[potent basalt]

it's all about giving illusion of depth ^^

[warm dagger]

@potent basalt yea that definitely looks better

[mint root]

Lineart

[buoyant gorge]

yeah, basically this. I probably could’ve led with this instead of writing an essay.

[buoyant gorge]

wan wan wan

[sleek apex]

Yeah I think my creature was blending too much with the background, it looks flat. meanwhile in the darker art I played a lot with light and darkness

[sleek apex]

I really appreciate the essay! I took a screenshot so I can remember the detailed advice haha

[sleek apex]

cerbersocute!

[ornate orchid]

I think another way of making an image pop, is giving your audience a sense of involvement, like that they feel that they are immersed within the portrait themselves, like try making the object of interest face the viewers perspectives.

somin like dis

[warm dagger]

@ornate orchid yea, i was using it more as a guide, since its how i do my realism art. Its such a different style

[buoyant gorge]

that’s a difference between composition and fundamentals tho. Although I agree that image can pop through composition, that kind of stuff usually matters more at the end stages of rendering, and not during the editing process.

[halcyon echo]

Thing

Hologram pendant prototype idk what revision I'm on at this point

[buoyant gorge]

hello garbus. or should i say…holo-garbus…i tried

nice thing!

[halcyon echo]

I dont want to look at Fusion 360 anymore lol

[buoyant gorge]

whats that?

a program?

[halcyon echo]

CAD software

[buoyant gorge]

ah

[halcyon echo]

What I used to design the pendant body

[warm dagger]

@sleek apex id say the one thing you could do is add brighter highlights and darker shadows to really bring out the contrast.

[ornate orchid]

oh, well idk, im self-taught through trial and error

[halcyon echo]

Resin likes to scratch like crazy fresh off the printer so Imma have to solve that still

Maybe tumble polish it to a matte finish

[sleek apex]

Thank you! I'd keep that in mind
I'm gonna do more practice on bright scenes

Another dark scene VS light scene where I love how the night time art turned out way more than the other one

[buoyant gorge]

hmm. u may be right too tho. I’m more of on-paper theorycrafting than a trial and error approach so maybe your hands-on view could be more helpful for this. I do often think and theorize too much on art cause most of my learning focuses on a very logic heavy and planning approach from a variety of sources.

[halcyon echo]

Cant wait for SLS printers to come down in price, that'll make production of stuff so much easier

Quality of resin without the mess and sadness of resin lol

[sleek apex]

these were drawn like 2 days apart

[warm dagger]

@sleek apex this is a colored pencil drawing of my dog, i picked a lightning angle and added the shadows in accordance with the light. If you have multiple sources it will have to show as well.

[sleek apex]

Oohh never considered multiple light directions before

[halcyon echo]

ooh I should make some Neuro themed holograms that'd be cool

[elder halo]

Damn i thought it was a picture for a second, well done

[halcyon echo]

why havent I dont this yet

[ornate orchid]

thats a drawing? damn

[warm dagger]

Yea, its usually what i stick too. Anime styles im just terrible at

[buoyant gorge]

just be careful with making the shadows too dark by accident. Values levels are actually influenced heavily by how dark the environment is around the character. A bright white room for example would have shadows 50% darker than the ambient lighting around the object. 50% ambient light = 75% dark shadows. And no ambient light = 100%. In short, shadows in lighter environments are actually not that dark.

except where ambient occlusion is involved

[halcyon echo]

could do a dual-channel hologram so that when you tilt it it changes between Neuro's and Evil's different heart hair pin things

[warm dagger]

@halcyon echo thatd be cool

[halcyon echo]

Could even do it so it changes color to red for Evil's

[buoyant gorge]

that sounds awesome

[halcyon echo]

Wish I had a blue laser for Neuro's

Green will have to do lol

[sleek apex]

Thank you so much! I'll remember that

[warm dagger]

@sleek apex oh and try using natrual blacks instead of just black if you can

[sleek apex]

What do you mean?

[lyric pike]

elic vs goku manga 🤝 ?

[elder halo]

Neuro vs goku

[lyric pike]

go to sleep

[elder halo]

Noooooooo

Karnt is bullying me guys

Help

[warm dagger]

If look at the nose on my dog its mostly dark brown and dark blue mixed instead of just black. Ill use a litlle black at the end for deeper contrast only.

[sleek apex]

Ooooh okay O: I didn't realize

thank you!

[warm dagger]

@sleek apex so besides the eyes, theres no black used in this

[sleek apex]

Oh that's neat

Also your drawings look like photos >w< that's so cool haha

[warm dagger]

Its pretty much all i practiced till i got results i was happy with. So other styles i need more practice with.

[ornate orchid]

Thats a real art student ryt der

[warm dagger]

Self taught, school of youtube mostly lol

[ornate orchid]

well atleast you took lessons from somewhere

I basically just yolo everything and never properly studied how to art

[warm dagger]

I started that way, but could never figure out why they weren't looking how i envisioned. What really helped was reference photos.

[ornate orchid]

I didnt even study any fundamentals lol

[buoyant gorge]

woohoo. youtube school lesgo! 🙌

[ornate orchid]

lessons... they scare me

[warm dagger]

@ornate orchid i just looked up one specific thing on youtube to learn that type of technique

[austere pilot]

new eye(s)

no mouth

[sleek apex]

I'm also self taught, I drew a bit in high school but quit for about a decade and started again last year. I'm going for a bit of a "story book" art style like with the artists Sowsow and Hyogonosuke

Realistic drawings are so beyond my comprehension haha

[warm dagger]

Whats the russian word say?

@sleek apex your style reminds me of Ori a bit

[ornate orchid]

well cartoon art and representations of real objects are 2 vastly different things

[austere pilot]

"Tankist"

russian/ukranian word for a soldier operating an armored vehicle

[warm dagger]

@ornate orchid the principles behind them are the same. Just how you achieve them can differ depending on the medium.

One is an exaggerated form of the other

[sleek apex]

Thank you!! That's very close to what I want to achieve one day

Maybe I should make an Ori fan art

[warm dagger]

@austere pilot ah ok. Took 2 years of russian and forgot most of it lol

@sleek apex i have but it wasnt the greateast lol

[sleek apex]

may I see? I'm now curious since your art looks really cool

[sleek apex]

Oooh O: is this also pencil?

[warm dagger]

Its like 10 years old now

Yea it is

[sleek apex]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

I remember when Ori came out

[warm dagger]

Thats accurate lol

[buoyant gorge]

Lesson learning are probably not your cup of tea. There are visual learners, listeners, and those who learn by example. We all can get good through different routes. I personally get bored of lessons, but I also find the info interesting as long as the person explaining things actually teaches something new to me.

[buoyant gorge]

o wow. hyogonosuke’s art looks really cool.

[ornate orchid]

I usually just look at other artists' finished works as a basis for everything I do

but never usually the process

[sleek apex]

Yeah! I honestly hate doing line art, so when I saw their lineless style and how cool it looked I started really admiring them

[warm dagger]

@ornate orchid i like to to take photos as i draw to see the progression and what i can change up in the next one

[ornate orchid]

I havent even properly learned anatomy yet, but I feel like i should to make things easier for myself

[austere pilot]

I don't know any russian lol, just made a soviet style helmet

[buoyant gorge]

me too, even though most of my earlier work involved lines b/c i was limited by my own skill level. Nowadays i just do loose sketches and paint over it and get rid of the line layer.

[austere pilot]

Thought it'd be silly

[warm dagger]

@austere pilot fits the style tho lol

[buoyant gorge]

i mean, if it works, it works

[mint root]

This like opposite of me I usually struggle on dark illustrations

[buoyant gorge]

i get frustrated when i see a mistake in my own art, but i can’t accurately diagnose the exact issue using words

so i learn as much as i can until i can describe the exact problems these days

so even if i still make the mistakes, i hopefully know exactly how to fix it

[mint root]

Get some help

[ornate orchid]

I dont completely copy them though, I use them just as a reference, to how something should properly look like

[buoyant gorge]

i do. its called bridgmann’s anatomy series, marco bucci, master series: color and light, framed perspective volume 1, and Excal’s Art Tips

[sleek apex]

I just draw straight on the base color now without any lines. I did traditional art for a bit with watercolors and I watched lessons and over there they usually just start painting without any line art. I started doing that digitally and fell in love with it

[warm dagger]

@buoyant gorge we are always or biggest critic. I can point out my mistakes in every drawing i do

[austere pilot]

same

[sleek apex]

Haha wish we can trade tips but I honestly just wing it

[mint root]

No like have other people critique your art

[sleek apex]

same

[austere pilot]

how does it look, working on 2hrs of sleep rn

i have to edit out a bunch of gunk thats on the lens

smh

[warm dagger]

I always try to make sure my line art is good before i start to color it

[buoyant gorge]

o i do ask my art buddies all the time on this don’t worry. i just hope to one day be able to spot the problems before they do to save time.

[warm dagger]

@austere pilot that looks amazing!

[buoyant gorge]

otherwise their roasts cut deep and i cry inside everytime

[mint root]

We are actually opposites as I'm quite heavy on line art

[mint root]

Ahh makes sense wish you luck on that

[buoyant gorge]

ooh, sounds really fun and free flowing

[sleek apex]

That's actually hilarious, we're polar opposites

[sleek apex]

It really is! I'm planning on getting some more materials and might do watercolor again and just have at it

[buoyant gorge]

thanks. wish u luck on your art journey too.

[sleek apex]

O: is that Spyro?

[warm dagger]

@sleek apex yea, the finished drawing is my profile pic

[sleek apex]

He has not crossed my mind in years
It feels like I just unearthed an old chest

[buoyant gorge]

watercolor definitely too tough for me since its hard to fix mistakes once the paint sets in but it definitely looks beautiful.

[buoyant gorge]

holy nostalgia

[sleek apex]

Oh yeah that's my biggest issue with it lol you really gotta commit to your strokes and just adjust to your happy little accidents

Thank goodness the Undo button exists for digital art

[austere pilot]

ctrl+z really has made me more confident

[buoyant gorge]

i try traditional sketches every day for studies and i still press undo on the canvas unintentionally 😅

[austere pilot]

(and the mirror tool, i know im "cheating" lol)

[buoyant gorge]

liquify tool is my best friend

[sleek apex]

Hahaha same when I started painting
That muscle memory is strong >w<

[warm dagger]

Meanwhile the only thing ive ever made in blender lol

[buoyant gorge]

is this from the donut tutorial guy who remade that same tutorial like 12 times now?

because that’s pretty much all i’ve ever made in blender too lol

[warm dagger]

Probably. I did it a long time ago lol

[ornate orchid]

here's an example of how I yolo everything

[buoyant gorge]

i still want to get back into it one day but it’s not easy to get into a new program like that

[warm dagger]

@ornate orchid tanya the evil lol

[ornate orchid]

Tanya the Eliv

[austere pilot]

nowhere near comfortable enough with any of the tools/my own skills to make something like that lol

[warm dagger]

@ornate orchid looks great

[buoyant gorge]

that definitely saves time with your process. honestly guidelines, loomis method, and all that stuff matters little if you’re able to just ball like that and draw what you imagine. That’s what Kim Jung Ji did, and it works.

Alas I need my guides cause i can’t translate my thoughts to paper as efficiently

[austere pilot]

yeah

i haven't really used any guides

just done it over and over a lot to get my own technique in

i should though

any tips?

[ornate orchid]

yeah but you definitely need those guidelines, and other stuffs for the starting process of your art if your trying to make a style out of it no?

for the consistency

[ornate orchid]

bro I dont even know how to use 4/5th of the tools in the application yet LMFAO

[buoyant gorge]

well if i had references most of the time i wouldn’t need it, but i mostly draw from imagination these days and some poses are really difficult without guides

especially when foreshortening and perspective are involved

[austere pilot]

dies of death

[buoyant gorge]

gesture art (quickposes), drawing with boxes for bodies (drawabox), S and C curves for the body. loomis method, riley method, asaro head for heads. Proportion ratios. Bridgmann for anatomy.

Excal Art Tips has a lot of shorts that’ll speed run easy fixes for anatomy so i just watch his vids a lot these days

[austere pilot]

Ooo

Fair enough

How would you say the head-shaped drawing looks though

[buoyant gorge]

you mean in general?

[austere pilot]

yeah

[buoyant gorge]

i just use my own modified loomix/box method for the head. Since the facial features of a head are almost always in the same places on a person no matter the angle, having a box for a head helps me easily divide the heads into halves, thirds, etc. so i place the proper features

[austere pilot]

Oooh

Yeah

I struggle with keeping it consistent

[buoyant gorge]

i try to do it less these days and imagine where the lines are, but it’s not as easy cause my brain short-circuits and doesn’t listen to me

[ornate orchid]

here's another one. You can really see how I just trial n error everything LOL

I forgot abt how I just scrapped the rifle idea and just went for the pistol lol

[austere pilot]

truly this is relatable

[buoyant gorge]

wait is it just the timelapse or are you actually drawing the head sideways to start

[ornate orchid]

nah idk why its like that but it wasnt sideways for me, it doesnt track how I orient the portrait during the drawing apparently

[austere pilot]

b a l l

[buoyant gorge]

that’s normal. if something ever feels off at an angle, try fixing that specific part of the body that looks off and remember how you fixed it for next time. Or just watch Excal’s art tips lol. He really has a 10 sec short for every anatomy and proportion mistake out there.