artist-alley

[austere pilot]

i said that to myself as well

i dunno

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

i was oing for this

but

[scenic hamlet]

It's literally a near perfect rendition of some bald emote I've seen on twitch dot televisión before.

[austere pilot]

wait what

[wanton locust]

man, something about low rez drawings really just tickles my brain the right way, i love when you can see the pixels

[austere pilot]

its really stimulating and i feel like my drawing looks better lol

first time im using this big of a canvas close up

[scenic hamlet]

It could be the origin is off-twitch.. it's old, so probably.

[austere pilot]

hm, wait lemme try and find

[austere pilot]

are these similar?

[scenic hamlet]

No.
The one I'm thining of had some blush to the cheeks.
EDIT: I realise those have, also, but it's not as cutesy cartoony as the one you just drew.

[austere pilot]

Mmm, yeah

i think i know which one it is hold on

nvm lol

i cant find it XD

[scenic hamlet]

fan

[austere pilot]

same

[ember sedge]

Saw this comic, reminded me of you guys. Tell me if this is accurate
https://i.redd.it/aycbyblrhiie1.png

[thick gale]

If only i knew

[scenic hamlet]

Why would you do this 😦

[ember sedge]

I just a comic with scuffed humour, I find it funny :P

[scenic hamlet]

It is indeed funny. And soul crushing. Main soul crushing, tho.

[ember sedge]

[signal tide]

I just broke the button on my tablet

And that's bound to the undo function

[scenic hamlet]

rip

[urban summit]

[wanton locust]

this is so good wtf

[lunar garden]

that's so confusing
but still looks great

[stuck ravine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1324818965922582589/1339241582339293215/hk.gif?ex=67ae016b&is=67acafeb&hm=0a10c71f223a39b55b43e292d3e1f075ce10530e5b771c97df7b992cce721b7e&

This is the dumbest thing I’ve made this year beyond Frog Monokuma

[chrome stirrup]

more evan lee tutorials

https://vxtwitter.com/evanlee082/status/1889639040871203040?s=46

[thick gale]

How to draw skirt:

1. draw triangles
2. Draw the rest of the skirt

[sleek apex]

That final skirt is so realistic

[potent basalt]

draw bunch of shapes to make a piece of cloth... erase some lines, partly, etc... instant detail

makes me think about bob ross how he was so much about tricks of draw a few lines and make it look like it was much more work

or in his case... cut some lines to canvas lol

[deep hornet]

He's trying to make it easy for beginners

Instead of overcomplicating stuff :LULE:

Encouraging new people to try art

[ocean pier]

Good morning artists what are we arting today

[oblique badge]

I'm working on Neuro blue version https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1338651234156150907

[wanton locust]

grinding out some boring ass commercial shit i need to present to a client tomorrow

[potent basalt]

wouldn't be for me lol

I would struggle to it not affecting quality of my work if I wasn't interested... doing bare minimnum to qualify and even that

it's part why I learn things in ways I find personally enjoyable... otherwise it comes with a huge debuff trying to force myself

[ocean pier]

That's understandable, I also have a hard time finding motivation when it's like a commission or something. though I do personally hope to be able to find work doing what I enjoy eventually

[deep hornet]

I will never do commission for how lazy I am :LULE:

[wanton locust]

yea same boat here, im @ uni so it’s a bit of everything, plus i try and do commercial work as well as the more artistically driven stuff i enjoy, just to keep my options open for the future

would be nice to make it to a position where i can only do the work im passionate about, but i imagine a lot of commercially driven stuff will come first, gotta make a living somehow

[ocean pier]

Oh nice, what are you studying specifically or is it just general art

[wanton locust]

graphic design, but i wanna go into graphic art ideally, just design pays the bills

[ocean pier]

I imagine it would be fun to sell at artist alleys, that way you get to make art you like, and then just sell it to others who like it. Idk how difficult it would be though I've never done one

[ocean pier]

Ooh that sounds fun, I know some friends who studied graphic design

Currently I'm in school for Animation

[wanton locust]

my course is good because it’s rlly broad, we do a bit of everything, art, design, photography, motion graphics, typography, means i’ll have a pretty wide range of skills and can go in whatever direction i want when i graduate

[ocean pier]

That's a good idea, especially with how hard it can be to find work

[potent basalt]

for me doing artistic things is self learned due I find it interesting and for whatever reason I consider able to draw something people would consider at least skilled a cool skill to have... might be a pun lol... it's kind of like magic trick I suppose

[ocean pier]

That's also valid

I saw your art on bluesky and thought it was good

[potent basalt]

glad you like my weird art ^^

it's also nice to be able to draw own discord avatars and stuff... own wallpapers

few years ago before I got into drawing in a major way I was still using art made by others

[ocean pier]

😅 I probably should too soon. Move away from this picrew I've been using as an avatar for years that doesn't even look like me anymore lol

[potent basalt]

it was actually a bit of a learning experience to draw avatars like... with reduced image size they're so small so if I want certain details to really show I have to consider drawing them as large but still not too large if someone views drawing it is full size

[ocean pier]

That makes sense

[potent basalt]

yeah... also just having different color so it doesn't blend too much in... I have intuitively learned color theory by doing

[frigid wyvern]

Since there are freelancers here, what would be the minimum skill level to open art commissions?

[chrome stirrup]

you're past it

go ahead and charge people bro

[potent basalt]

it wildly varies... I have noticed some people online manage to get commissions despite they do like ten minute ms paint drawings or something

[chrome stirrup]

now the real question is pricing and price ranges

[potent basalt]

end of the day it's finding people who are willing to pay

[frigid wyvern]

I see.

Thank you for the advice

[potent basalt]

oh and most artists who do commissions price things cheaper than they should or people simply aren't willing to pay what reasonable hourly rate would be

[chrome stirrup]

personally if I can draw what they're drawing I won't pay for it (which is a pretty high bar because I'm dogshit)

[wanton locust]

there is no minimum, just be honest about your body of work and if people like it they’ll pay

[chrome stirrup]

okay give a number and we'll say if it's high or low

standard industry practice is to separate pricing tiers based on level of detail and body coverage

[frigid wyvern]

15USD ?

[chrome stirrup]

would be good for bust up lineart

[potent basalt]

some artists use trick with their commission examples by having it seem like they reduced their prices... like it has slashed price and then reduced price next to it ^^

[frigid wyvern]

I envy those who have clean, smooth lineart

[chrome stirrup]

but that's for later when you're more established

[frigid wyvern]

Sheer skill and patience

[frigid wyvern]

Classic selling techniques

[chrome stirrup]

you might also want to region price

NA/EU commissions are usually more expensive for the same quality of work

[potent basalt]

yup... not sure if there are legal issues with it like... I know companies constantly having pricing seem like it's discounted can lead them to legal trouble

but they're just individuals so...

[chrome stirrup]

try putting down numbers for combinations of these

Coverage: Full-body, Portrait, Bust-up, Headshot

Level of Detail: Draft, Lineart, Flat Colors, Shading, Full Render, with background

that's a pretty standard VGEN/Skeb pricing table

[potent basalt]

just don't overdo it... so people don't get decision paralysis XD

[ocean pier]

I'd like to start doing commissions but I need to make a sheet or video or site or something

[chrome stirrup]

that's why you only show the lowest, highest, and middlemost tier combinations on your commission sheet

[ocean pier]

there's a lot I'd like to do potentially lol, the struggle of undecided creativity

[potent basalt]

one artist straight out told me they were making easy money by just having art piece and people paying to draw their characters heads in them

it was for NSFW art but still

[chrome stirrup]

YCH are really good

the really big artists even have biddings for that, as well as a buy in price

[ocean pier]

seems like an easy method if you have enough of a following

[chrome stirrup]

I know BaalBuddy does that

[potent basalt]

yeah... rest of the body is inside some kind of machine so they don't have to draw anything else than the head for commission lol... rest of the art is just template

it's truly copy paste method of art...

[chrome stirrup]

hey it makes money

if you're a big enough name people will pay for that just for the clout

[potent basalt]

I wanted to commission them back then and since they weren't interested to take my money to draw what I wanted I just got further motivated to learn to draw lol... so I view the experience kind of net positive

there are reasons I like to learn to draw and honestly one of them is just that... I draw what I want to

[ocean pier]

which is fun

who doesn't love drawing what they like

[potent basalt]

so I kind of ended up drawing some commission ideas by myself once I got enough good

lol

yeah... it's kind of fun and means you don't sometimes just wait months

[ocean pier]

the most recent thing I've done as a commission was a blink avatar

[potent basalt]

those are avatars with animated blinking... right?

[ocean pier]

like these

yeah

[potent basalt]

those are high effort animated... one I googled just was frontal view with eyes blinking

[ocean pier]

I try

[potent basalt]

there is this animator whose works I like... and he spends like half a year or something to do a single parody

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbu4r5sOCQs

insane amount of work for a single person

[deep hornet]

I love stickmen animation

Anyways, pretty nice animation

I also recommend TerminalMontage, their channel got some pretty good stuff too

[fringe granite]

i can only admire such dedication to be honest

[chrome stirrup]

terminal montage fan spotted

[deep hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/kirbo-gif-18598276

[fringe granite]

i wanna start drawing 2D models but i have like 0 experience and dont know where to start since it feels so overwhelming. am i the only one in that regard?

[ocean pier]

No I get it, I've thought about it and there are so many parts to think about with 2D models

The only form of 2D models and rigging I've had to do for school were like, really basic TV animation style characters and even then it turned out poorly

If you practice and get good at it though it seems like such an awesome skill to have

[potent basalt]

chikatoon and studio 404 stuff is something I have noticed at youtube

south korean made cartoons that are quite funny

[placid sky]

You talking like tubers? Live2D?

Ik there's some tutorials for it

[fringe granite]

yes kinda. but i also wanna draw the model myself. thats the problem here since i have no experience and also dont know where to start. i think the Live2D thing is something you can figure out on the way as far as i have seen it

i also like to just look at nicely draw characters and would like to learn how to draw those too.

[placid sky]

The later part is more just bout experience.

As for thr former why not look up model [2d ] tips .

only thing ik as good starting place would be practicing simple movements and hair? I guess as a start? I'm not entirely sure myself it's been awhile sincei made animation attempt myself.

Only other thing I can remember is drawing so that the moving part areas overlap and that it's in sections

[lofty kernel]

They're great!

[ocean pier]

Thanks ☺️

[potent basalt]

nice

[white arrow]

No u

[ocean pier]

Floragato 🍃

[white arrow]

Best cat.

Old, but I'll add it here.

[ocean pier]

Nice!

are they your favorite Pokemon or just the one you like to draw?

[potent basalt]

it's cool to have original characters and then overtime make them look different

[ocean pier]

true true

[white arrow]

My favorite pokemon.

Well it's in my top 10.

[white arrow]

I never post my OCs.

But now, I disappear to sketch during my lunch before going back to work.

[ocean pier]

Have fun

[serene monolith]

I saw someone make a neurosama drawing yesterday so I wanted to try make my own

(I tried my best with her hand but I feel like it looks odd send help)

[fringe granite]

i think it looks good =w=

[serene monolith]

tyy

[white arrow]

[fringe granite]

how did you make the face? i always mess it up

[serene monolith]

uhh I started with the eyes bcause if I dont I get the height wrong lol

as for the jaw part I had to remake it a few tims because uhh I had made her face a bit too long at first

[fringe granite]

i will try drawing the eyes first. maybe it will help

[serene monolith]

Im not experienced enough to give a more detailed process my bad

[serene monolith]

oh yeah it could

gl!

[fringe granite]

thx

[serene monolith]

npp

[ocean pier]

Nice!

[serene monolith]

ty

[scenic hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/spirited-away-ghibli-studio-stars-gif-13228746
If I was to want to replace those flowers with tiki-torches and pitchforks, how would one go about doing that?

[potent basalt]

you just need a software that let you edit individual frames of already made gif image

what quick googling told anyway

[scenic hamlet]

I am in too deep already :wat:

[iron halo]

you could convert it to a mp4 then use some video editing program

then you just need some time and dedication because its probably gonna take a while

i used to do some edits that required doing stuff like that frame by frame so im speaking from experience

[potent basalt]

the site has mp4 version too

in fact plenty of so called GIF animations are actually MP4 files nowadays... it's just that since GIF was the first format for them people still call them that regardless lol

[scenic hamlet]

[potent basalt]

it's kind of important if one wants to edit and do them properly as of course program needs to be able to read them

[lofty kernel]

Started on lunch. Gonna try to finish this evening.

[potent basalt]

I kind of want to draw another minikomew... I drew her once

[ocean pier]

you should!

also, art people I will ask would anyone wanna play Gartic later?

[austere pilot]

generic infantryman practice

[ocean pier]

nice

[lofty kernel]

Idk how to play but I'd like to

[austere pilot]

slightly more detail

[orchid helm]

ever decided your car should be more festive?

[ocean pier]

it's difficult to organize games, maybe at some point I'll just open a lobby and sit in voice and see if anyone else joins in

[lofty kernel]

Just lmk!

[ocean pier]

will do

and here's more progress on this guy

[thick gale]

holy

[chrome stirrup]

he looks beautiful there

[mint root]

Hand looks fine to me its just really small I think

[lofty kernel]

I love it!

[fringe granite]

really pretty art here. hope i can get this far someday

from next week on i can focus on drawing and programming for 4 weeks at least so i will draw and programm at least 3-4 hours a day each =w=

[mint root]

You can get there, I believe

[fringe granite]

thanks for believing in me. if you got any tips for beginners, i am happy with everything

[mint root]

Can I see one of your art? I can try and help

[ocean pier]

woo! with 3-4 hours a day you'll definitely improve! can't wait to see what you make if you decide to share

[fringe granite]

i will share once i start. i havent drawed anything after finishing school so i am literaly starting from 0. but i will whip something up tomorrow. i got time, a pen and paper so the rest is on me XD

[mint root]

Oh ok if you need help with anything, I'm here

[fringe granite]

i sure hope so. i have am bad when it comes to my findertips so yeah i will try

all for achieving my dream in this regard of one day rigging a model that i drew myself XD

[thick gale]

university skills turned out to be useful in very unusual way lmao

[drowsy briar]

too doodlish to post so I'll just leave it here

[serene monolith]

mmmm yeah I kinda feel like thats the thing, tyy

[serene monolith]

now draw her as raiden from mgr

!!

[serene monolith]

yooo that looks so cute

[iron halo]

"Vedal, turn off my cringe inhibitors"

[serene monolith]

filtered

[iron halo]

actually thats better

"Vedal, turn off my filter"

speech inhibitors?

[thick gale]

base inhibitors

[serene monolith]

based inhibitors

[stuck ravine]

third pass on this redesign

getting close

[thick gale]

taking notes...

[serene monolith]

LETS GOOo!

[ocean pier]

ooh

[potent basalt]

I gotta pick colors and get the art done... the one with evil neuro and neuro-sama as ninjas

[magic meadow]

veed uul on school desk

[austere pilot]

vandalism987/j

Jokes aside, great job!

[buoyant gorge]

they teaching you proportions or skeletal anatomy? I can see both in here. Pretty cool.

[thick gale]

more smth like this

[buoyant gorge]

ooh perspective

[brittle sun]

i hate having to use my hands as references
my fingers are flexible and they look wrong when drawn

[thick gale]

and this

[buoyant gorge]

if it exists, it can’t be a wrong way of drawing it. just different.

[thick gale]

engineering drawing 110 or idk

[brittle sun]

it looks wrong

like rly wrong

[buoyant gorge]

although useful, setting up these grids takes forever unless you’re going for the perfect piece, which i don’t know if worth

but it does look good when finished. wish there was an easier way to make these lines more intuitive

[thick gale]

so you want to draw female hands and they turn out to be male

[brittle sun]

my fingers are rly flexible

[thick gale]

and stylized hands are quite different it is tru

[brittle sun]

so what is like normal position for me

looks like someone broke their finger

[buoyant gorge]

just do a minimal flex then. should look normal right?

[brittle sun]

indeed i just need to actively remember to do it

[buoyant gorge]

hope your next batch of hands looks the way you want it to

you got this

[frigid wyvern]

Once you learn the principles of perspective, you can get an intuitive sense for it, such that you're able to visualize and represent 3D space without the tedious, mathematical measuring. To reinforce spatial reasoning, you can freehand basic tridimensional forms, like cubes, in different configurations and angles as an exercise.

[near apex]

pen might actually be my favorite way of doing traditional

[serene monolith]

yoo how do you get the traces so clean?

I always struggle when using pens because i make a lot of lines on the way

[near apex]

Yoo same, you can see I still chicken scratch a lot in the picture

I guess I just try to commit to the line I draw

[serene monolith]

I see

[near apex]

Full confidence

[ocean pier]

So pretty!

[serene monolith]

I honestly dont see the chicken scratches (Im used to mine overlapping lmao)

pretty nice

[near apex]

If I were truly skilled, the lineart would be much cleaner lol

[serene monolith]

maybe its one of those things when youre a lot more self critic about stuff

since it looks clean to me

real skill there 🚬

[near apex]

Thank youu

[serene monolith]

npp!! keep it up yo

[buoyant gorge]

i agree. pens are the best 😊

[sleek apex]

I'm scared of using pens (even tho I'm a pen collector)
How do you handle mistakes or things you don't like?

[calm bone]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-painting-yas-wisdom-art-gif-4514528

||im sorry i just had to||

[frigid wyvern]

Heard you were pretty strong

[serene monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-anguish-despair-gif-13915908866750092639

oh no

[near apex]

if i make like a small mistake or even medium, I usually go along with it or even try to salvage it, but if it's a big mistake I just accept my fate lol

[sleek apex]

It's a meme but it's basically what @near apex did say lol

[sleek apex]

Thank you, I kinda figured haha
Maybe I'll try it out

[near apex]

you should!! it's really fun

[sleek apex]

I have some fountain pens and different colored inks
And I have a case of markers coming in too. I'll try to make art directly vs doing a pencil sketch first (which I actually dislike doing >w<)

[near apex]

Wow actual art supplies

I just drew with a pen you usually use for writing..

[sleek apex]

Hahaha I collect fountain pens just because they write pretty, never really used them for art before

They're more for journaling

Always been a intimidated drawing with pens or markers without a sketch

[near apex]

ahh

honestly that's pretty cool too, always admired the people that have really good handwriting

[sleek apex]

The anxiety of making a mistake you can't erase haha

[sleek apex]

w< I have a very bad handwriting, which is a reason I started getting into fountain pens. They kinds force you into a good writing posture or else they won't write well

[near apex]

real actually

[near apex]

ohh really

that's kinda interesting

[sleek apex]

Some people use them to draw manga

A good beginner one is the Pilot Kakuno if you're interested. They have a kinda triangular grip that makes you hold it at the right angle

[near apex]

oo ok thanks for recommendation

you said you're getting into fountain pens btw? is there like a specific font you're learning or how do you learn usually, not that knowledgeable on the art of writing

[frigid wyvern]

Hair fix

[sleek apex]

I just look at other people's handwriting and try to copy that haha
I heard some people try to learn specific fonts and strokes but I just want clean writing I can use normally

I like the super clean ones

You can tell by the handwriting I like why I've been scared to draw with a pen or marker directly on paper hahaha

[potent briar]

Very neat

[lofty kernel]

I tried

[potent briar]

Yay very nice

[lofty kernel]

Thank youu. I really need to keep practicing but this time I'm happier that her facial proportion looks better

[potent briar]

It looks very nice keep going

[lunar garden]

looks preety nice

[lofty kernel]

I need more push pins

[potent briar]

Ah British

[lunar garden]

noice

[austere beacon]

Tha’ looks like a bloody good wall now innit m8!

[lofty kernel]

Yeah. I live in the US but I do miss home sometimes.

[white arrow]

Have, a cat.

[halcyon echo]

Evil Neuro badge thingy printed and painted

[potent basalt]

I'm learning ^^ https://x.com/Clord124/status/1889892530252362105

Clord ✨ Looking for Artmoots ✨ (@Clord124) on X

Evil Neuro and Neuro-sama as Hidden Turtle Village ninjas. The village is led by Kamekage known as Vedal who is rumored to be a turtle. Please enjoy this cool Japanese themed wallpaper at your pleasure. ^^ #heartheartart #evilneuro #Neurosama #artmoots #artmoot #Vtuber #Wallpaper

X · Feb 13, 2025, 4:21 AM

[stuck ravine]

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A favorite anim loop of mine from last year

My spider witch is schmoving

[high apex]

kewl

[halcyon echo]

:3

[potent basalt]

I find plasma globe cooler than typical lavalamp... it's just so reactive if you touch surface of the glass and stuff

[halcyon echo]

I like both :3

I've got just a bit of a lamp collection

[vital brook]

awww so cute

[potent basalt]

having both lavalamps and plasma globes makes quite a light show

[lofty kernel]

Thank youu!!!

[bright lintel]

I think 3d printing counts as art

Just finished this today

[deep hornet]

Nice

3d printing is basically 3d modelling, no?

[lost stratus]

Only if you model your own stuff

[deep hornet]

You need to make a 3d model for your printer

[lost stratus]

personally my spatial int is shit so I don't

And mostly pull stuff from the internet

[deep hornet]

lule

[scenic hamlet]

That's so cool tbh

[bright lintel]

Thx lol

[slow arch]

@hasty swan one of my old drawings (I usually did small editing like sharpening the lines a bit and such but otherwise, paper)

[hasty swan]

WHAT THE FUC K

[deep hornet]

Nice

[slow arch]

I couldn't do the full body cause rectangular paper

Was probably for the better though since I'm kinda lazy

[austere pilot]

Damn, that's really good!

[slow arch]

Thank you

[hasty swan]

it's like gray pencil drawing and it IS so cool damn

it was worth the effort i can tell you that

[slow arch]

Thank you

But yeah I wasn't really big on coloring my drawings (and still don't like that)

[buoyant gorge]

looks good! Trad sketching is always so tough for me so u captured this nicely.

[slow arch]

Thank you

I did try to do digital drawing but I was uhh, not great at it to say the least

Holding a pencil was much comfortable to me

[buoyant gorge]

digital always a hard transition at first. When I started I mostly stuck with hybrid. I’m more digital these days, but I’m starting to get back into hybrid again, though I’m avoiding the pencil in favor of the pen

so i could refine my linework

and try to draw without turning back from mistakes

not easy

but fun

[slow arch]

I think the main reason digital was tough for me at first was not only the transitioning, but also because I constantly looked down at my tablet and back at my screen (even though I shouldn't have)

Idk, i felt more reassured when seeing the drawing tools physically on top of the draft

[buoyant gorge]

i can see how that might feel weird.

[storm flicker]

Soldier art comm sketch

[buoyant gorge]

Although it might be a plus, because you don’t have your hand in the way so u see the entire piece as a whole

which i think is a huge advantage

[slow arch]

That's fair

[buoyant gorge]

i use a tablet, so i still have my hands blocking the screen

sometimes i wish i used computer because of that

but im too dumb with programs

like CSP

so i just stick with what i know

[slow arch]

I see

[buoyant gorge]

frick that gun angle must’ve been tough

looks good

[slow arch]

I found one old artpiece that I had put color on (only a bit of red and tbh i never got around to actually finished it lmao)

[buoyant gorge]

looks great. I have lots of WIP too so its relatable.

Coloring is exhausting sometimes

[slow arch]

I've always had like...a lack of understanding in coloring

Failed that bs in kindergarten and still lack the full understanding even today

[serene monolith]

Bro cooked

[slow arch]

Thank you

[fringe granite]

if i wanna start should i take blank sheets or the one with the tiny squares?

[signal tide]

It depends on what you want to do. If it's for tracing practice, the paper with tiny squares would be more suitable

[fringe granite]

i wanna focus on anime style drawing. since thats what i wanna do in teh end

[brittle sun]

basics are p m applicable in any artstyle

[signal tide]

Sorry if I misunderstood. If the tiny squares you're referring to are the ones for comic panels and you're aiming for a manga style, you could start by practicing line work, cross-hatching, and shading for volume.
And if by 'anime style' you mean Japanese animation style, it might be better to start by tracing some of your favorite works for practice.

[fringe granite]

@signal tide thx for the suggestion. as for my accurate goal it is to draw a character and the rig it in live2D

i made myself an energy drink just now so i am ready to start trying in half an hour XD

[icy vale]

back to krita

[fringe granite]

i will move onto that once i decide if want to spend the 40$ for a drawing tablet or not XD

[icy vale]

i dont know if i can buy csp on black friday

[fringe granite]

csp?

[icy vale]

if not then maybe some other holiday sales

clip studio

[fringe granite]

whats that?

[icy vale]

the program anny uses to draw on

[brittle sun]

Can recc but only when its on sale

[icy vale]

whens the next sale of csp? after black friday

sup troobs

[tidal grove]

Krita isn't that worse than CSP. I've tried it, it's pretty neat. You just need to really get deep into configuration to make it convenient

[storm flicker]

Shadow mapping

[icy vale]

when i tried csp i like it more, sure krita aint that bad tbh but i prefer the user interface on csp

and i feel my tablet goes smoothly on csp than krita on my pc

[tidal grove]

I'd be using krita, if i haven't already got used to csp

[brittle sun]

I feel like CSP feels better but honestly Krita has everything youd want

[icy vale]

i can justified buying csp tbh, but i dont mind krita

[tidal grove]

again, pretty sure you can fix it in settings. Took me two hours with google search to make krita comfortable

[icy vale]

[brittle sun]

thats how i feel about CSP, its like so cheap on sales that its a investment i dont mind

[tidal grove]

How much does it cost on sales?

[icy vale]

i saw someone say upto 50%

or 25% im forgetting

[thick gale]

when csp will get rid of lags when using big brushes it will be the best soft for drawing

[tidal grove]

I don't mind lags with big brushed, but lags in transformation and liquify modes are just killing me

Btw, little life hack: those lags are depended on your zoom level. If you zoom out they will be milder

[brittle sun]

i paid 18,19 Eur on Black Friday for CSP

[urban summit]

3hrs. Time to go to sleep. Goodnight everyone

[fringe granite]

is scp like a one time payment or a subsription?

*csp

[icy vale]

both

[fringe granite]

what?

[icy vale]

both as i said

theres perpetual and annual pay iirc

[fringe granite]

so you pay to have it and then you pay monthly to use it?

[icy vale]

no

theres two liscence

one permanent

and one if ypou dont have the budget to buy the permanent one

that one u pay annually/monthly (take ur pick)

[fringe granite]

oh ok

[brittle sun]

also remember you can just free trial before to see if you'd like the upgrade

[fringe granite]

i will wait till the pro version is cheaper then i guess

how late is it for you guys btw? always found it funny when i was living in japan for a year and people were wondering why i was going to sleep so early XD

[icy vale]

its 9 pm here

[brittle sun]

2pm

[fringe granite]

ok you are from jp right? breadambaspis?

since i know there is a 7-8h times diff. compared to europe (depending on if its winter or summertime here)

[icy vale]

nah im lower

in ph

[fringe granite]

ooooh nice

[icy vale]

japan is an hour ahead

[fringe granite]

true its wintertime so 8 hours difference

i consider moving to japan once i have my degree. but that depends if i find work there and if i can speak the language fluently in the meantime

[white arrow]

More pose practice.

[heavy drift]

First fanart in a while, just rough sketch but will probably commit to it. It's Evil. I added the blood just to mess around with brushes and now realized how dark the implication of it could be, was not my intentional at all .

[edgy axle]

youre making a custom credit card?

[topaz pond]

Random ass drawing

[fringe granite]

I feel despair when I try rhe face but yeah. This is my first attempt

Now she's sad since she fell ill.(yes I avoided drawing the nose and the mouth)

[topaz pond]

Pray that she gets better soon

And get a nose and mouth surgery

[fringe granite]

No matter what i tried it always destroyed the face. I think I will practice those once I have the fundamentals of the face shape down

[fringe granite]

man. drawing with just a pencil sure takes up time to make the details... but its kinda fun how absorbed you get in it

[topaz pond]

Never stop practicing 💪

[topaz pond]

Its fine

[fringe granite]

i dont plan to stop my friend. 0w0

[topaz pond]

I was like that too back when i first started

[lunar garden]

it's nice

[topaz pond]

Yeah! 👍

[lunar garden]

hey quick question

[topaz pond]

quick question

[fringe granite]

sure go ahead

[topaz pond]

Long typing intensifies

[fringe granite]

true XD

but questions are always welcome i think

[lunar garden]

I didn't take pics of my drawings before submitting them last year so when checking I only had pics of those 2 years ago, back then I thought they looked good but now it feels bad

is the feeling normal?

[fringe granite]

thats what improvement means my friend

[topaz pond]

Fr fr true

[fringe granite]

its like that with everything. you can think of it like a soulslike bossfight. as you get better you realize that you were not good back then

[lunar garden]

hmm I see

[fringe granite]

its a nice feeling i think. be proud of your improvement

[lunar garden]

would you mind checking them and tell me your opinions?

[topaz pond]

Motivated now?

[topaz pond]

Sure

[fringe granite]

btw are you drawing on pc? i wonder how large a drawing tablet should be

[lunar garden]

no it's all pencil

[topaz pond]

WTF THATS DAMN GOOD

[lunar garden]

really? it doesn't really feel like it

feels out of shape to be honest

[topaz pond]

I can see it

The shapes are a bit off

But the shadows you did compensate that

[coarse vale]

Vedal NIKKE commander

[fringe granite]

its really nice. its like a really different direction of what i am planning to do but it looks amazing

[topaz pond]

Make him hug my oc

[topaz pond]

True

[lunar garden]

the flower and the pots one were copied from paper, the other three was placed in front

[fringe granite]

mind to try drawing the outer lines with black?

[topaz pond]

The shapes feel unatural what i mean

[lunar garden]

yeah, the other two had done it much better, I can't even get my mind around how they did that

[austere pilot]

Very sketchy

[coarse vale]

It is black, it's just a little transparent

[lunar garden]

like one spread pencil shading out in the paper with a blade and then blended it with tissue to make the background..

[lunar garden]

hmm nice looks good

[scenic hamlet]

How do I go about making this usable as a profile picture (to a point where the text is readable) ?

[lunar garden]

hmm

[potent basalt]

short answer? you don't

[scenic hamlet]

D:

[potent basalt]

if you want it all appear inside the circle then text will be so tiny

one way around it would be make it so that some of the image is cut off

[scenic hamlet]

Oh, nono. I'm ready to sacrifice a lot of it.. but no matter how I set up the picture, the discord keeps cutting it up to like this:

And normally I'd be able to drag it down to show the text, but this is after having done that.

This would be ok. Not ideal, but ok. But it's not doable :wat:

[potent basalt]

you would need a good image editing software... having image without black circle... do an edit so that it appears positioned right and bigger...

one would be to make custom image having text overlayed so it can be placed at center and made bigger

[scenic hamlet]

I got hte original somewhere, which is just the square, white circle.

Pretty sure it'd be googl-able too, for the original.
But it just stumps me how the discord always decides to cut the picture so the text can't be seen.

Even tried shit like this.. Same shit.

[lunar garden]

sad

[scenic hamlet]

How do I make it more apparently it's biting its lip in cringe?

[oblique badge]

maybe something like this idk

[scenic hamlet]

Yeah.... How'd you do that?

You added a nervous sweat thing, too.. I tried doing that, it looked like a third eye so I ditched that idea.

[potent basalt]

about that sarah connor image thingy... crop the image from that image with black circle... use image editing software with layers support to position it and make it good size... then overlay text over it and give it borders to be visible... but even then since avatars are small that's a lot of text to fit with a good size while not covering too much of the image for example

[scenic hamlet]

Thanks.

cans that idea.

[oblique badge]

mostly the eyebrows play a role here, and I reduced the mouth otherwise it looks like he's angry, and yeah drop for more expression of discomfort

[scenic hamlet]

Drop was perfect, eyebrows perfect, but now he looks to sneer.. Maybe some kind of dip..

[lunar garden]

nice it looks great

[oblique badge]

thats better?

[austere pilot]

added hair and stopped :0'ing

[scenic hamlet]

Okay this is fun, actually

[supple prairie]

[scenic hamlet]

This is great.

BUT

The whole thing came from someone realising (in another server) that the 🫦 is named :biting_lips: which normally would usually be suggestive/seductive, but the emote appears when you type out :uncomfortable: meaning it's a lip-biting that is to convey cringe.

So.. I tried to make a lip biting that conveys cringe. And failed.

[scenic hamlet]

Then was inspired to try again, and it got better ^

[oblique badge]

nice, glad I could help

[potent basalt]

if you plan to practice drawing them doing image edits also gets easier as you get used to tools... like what I proposed is a rather simple process of basic usage of let's say photoshop... I would recommend getting some kind of proper drawing software if you are interested to learn

[oblique badge]

photoshop is not proper drawing software?

[lunar garden]

idk

[oblique badge]

oh yeah, i forgot about biting lip part lmao

[lyric pike]

@windsketchy Photoshop cc is great for painting

Photoshop cs is for editing

cc is superior anyway idk why cs exist

[scenic hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-16623591690126329759

[scenic hamlet]

I'm not interested enough to purchase drawing pens or professional gear... but I loved what i picked up here today \o/

(That was a lie. I am interested right now. I probably am not in 4-5 days)

[tidal grove]

Switched ps for csp cause of liquify. But yeah, photoshop can be as good as csp excluding liquify

[potent basalt]

understandable... however you can start with less than hundred bucks/euros for entry level drawing tablet ^^

not sure if I would recommend wacom... my one has bunch of software issues lol

[scenic hamlet]

But if I want to make emotes, maybe sticking with these "draw shapes" tools in paint isn't a bad idea?

[oblique badge]

well, that's how they do sorts of logos by using shapes, but even so, you do a sketch first, otherwise you really slow down the process

[tidal grove]

If you don't want to buy a tablet + csp or whatever program for drawing, you can always choose just paper and pencil

[lyric pike]

i had a look at my old art from last year

damm it was bad

[scenic hamlet]

wait

but I can't draw.

a paper pencil would get me nowhere compared to doing shapes in paint.

[oblique badge]

nu uh, all your art good

[scenic hamlet]

... I'm being trolled :wat:

[icy vale]

not really,

[potent basalt]

I'm not sure why you think that... they suggest paper method likely because if you seriously try to learn drawing, you wouldn't use mouse as your main method anyway... so digitally drawing would be quite similar and your skills would for the most part carry over

granted there are very skilled mouse only artists but that's because they already know how to draw so well and are kind of showing off lol

[scenic hamlet]

It's mostly copium because I can't imagine having to learn to draw

[oblique badge]

Same, until I actually tried

[tidal grove]

same

Before you learn it, it seems unreachable

[potent basalt]

it's honestly a small celebration when someone picks up drawing and then stick to it... beginning hurdle is big factor why most just give up or lose interest

that can be said of course about a lot of fields lol

also when people indicate they're interested of having specific hobby but not then spend serious money to it... it indicates that said person likely isn't going to stick with it... although it's a nice surprise when it doesn't turn out like that

this is partly from my personal experience... I tried to get into drawing 2015 or so then spent after initial honeymoon over five or so years not drawing I built up enough motivation to try again and once I started to drop serious money to get a professional quality tablet and stuff it was because I was properly motivated to make it my hobby

[tardy frost]

photoshop is a good drawing software if you have it

[tardy frost]

wait sorry whats cc vs cs

[lyric pike]

cc is up to date

cs is older

[tidal grove]

Spending a lot of money don't work for everyone. I think it's more about mindset of liking the process itself rather than the end result.

[tardy frost]

my photoshop is by years, is 2025 cc or?

[lyric pike]

its on the name

[tidal grove]

cc

cs verisons weren't named by the year

[lyric pike]

i dont use adobe stuff but thats what i often see from photoshop painter

[tidal grove]

the last cs version is 6 as i can recall

and it's very old

[tardy frost]

how do you even get photoshop cs wth

[tidal grove]

piracy

[fringe granite]

hey gys i have a question for the pc drawing people here

what size should a drawing-tablett have (without display)

[tidal grove]

Depends on what you want

Mine's drawing area is 25.5cm x 16cm

it's considered to be medium size

[fringe granite]

okay

can you recommend that size?

[tidal grove]

That's comfortable for me. Tho you need some space on your desk

[fringe granite]

yea you sure do.

[tidal grove]

Some of my friends use small tablets and they're okay with it

[fringe granite]

the cheaper ones on amazon are pretty small so i was wondering if i would gonna be fine with that

[tidal grove]

the main thing you need to check is it's resolution ratio and pressure level

[fringe granite]

what do those 2 mean?

[tidal grove]

Mine has 5080 lines per inch for resolution and 8192 for pressure. This is good enough

[tidal grove]

Pressure levels is just how sensitive your tablet to pressure changes. Resolution ratio is how accurate your lines will be

[fringe granite]

oh ok. can you rest your hand on it or will it influence the lines?

[tidal grove]

I can recommend HUION. They make good cheap tablets

[oblique badge]

I had one small old tablet, it was uncomfortable on it, I'd say the best price/comfort ratio of working screen size is somewhere between a4 and a5

[tidal grove]

It registers only the pen

[oblique badge]

yeah i have it too, its great

[tidal grove]

Mine is HUION H1060P. Chose that cause of the big amount of buttons, which i ended up not using at all

[fringe granite]

which modell do you have? i see quite a few

[potent basalt]

true... people are different but there is not denying that vast majority who are interested to start drawing lose interest soon after... which is fine honestly... if one doesn't find it appealing after trying then they can find some other hobby they like

[fringe granite]

i will wait at least 2-3 weeks till i buy one dw.

[potent basalt]

there is some psychology behind once people invest money to something that they're far more likely not give up as easily though... since they already put the money down, unless they refund

[fringe granite]

i see no reason to quit drawing even if its frustrating and time eating to learn. i have my final goal that i wanna achieve

[tidal grove]

i have a friend, who bought a tablet and ended up not using it

[potent basalt]

anyway... just some thoughts... I'm not here to gatekeep hobbies lol ^^ and it's individual how people like to approach things, etc

[fringe granite]

i know. can you recommend tell me what tablett you are using tho? i wanna save me the link for later

[tidal grove]

i started 3d cause drawing was hard. Then, when 3d became hard, i started to draw

[tidal grove]

HUION H1060P

[tidal grove]

I'm in a cycle again, doing 3d rn

[potent basalt]

it took months before I truly started using my drawing tablet I spent hundreds to lol... it took a while before I got used to idea after having been drawing with the mouse for so long... my first cheaper drawing tablet was so crap that I got into habit of just using mouse as my main method

also part of was bothering to configure it how I like... after that it got much nicer to use... default configuration I kept constantly doing wrong inputs

[tidal grove]

btw check this out

[potent basalt]

haha looks like an evil aritocrat or something XD

[serene monolith]

Business egg

[fringe granite]

either i am stupid or they dont have that modell on amazon XD

[potent basalt]

just joking... he just got that classic western cartoon shorthand for "evil businessman" or something look

[fringe granite]

but nice walk from the egg

[tidal grove]

You can choose any model that have these specs

[serene monolith]

Business egg

[potent basalt]

but is he hard boiled?

[tidal grove]

he is even though he aint an egg

i want to practice animation on that guy and then make animations with Neuro

[icy vale]

My cheap tablet is huion Inspiroy h430p

[icy vale]

Nice animation

[potent basalt]

oh right... kind of like this guy isn't an egg... your character reminds me of him https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/33/Patrick_Star.svg/1920px-Patrick_Star.svg.png

[tidal grove]

The smartest character from sponge bob btw

[potent basalt]

considering western cartoons, especially those aimed towards more adult audiences tend to have hideous art styles... I quite like his design... and yeah he's quite smart character

[fringe granite]

there are too many options, i dont know which i should save for later XD

[potent basalt]

ain't that fun with art projects

[oblique badge]

I could never take your OC seriously, knowing what he is based on
but that's dope

[potent basalt]

when you have like multiple variations of shading to consider and which one to pick

[fringe granite]

i am not that far yet

[tidal grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jokerge-ghoul-jokerge-tokyo-ghoul-gif-5309350536027745314

[fringe granite]

i am happy that i can draw the outlines of a face for now

[potent basalt]

I just realized he kind of looks like bowl of rice

[lofty kernel]

Day 6: Today I didn't have much time to draw so I decided to just draw without any references and what came to mind. Hope you like it!

[austere pilot]

Redid the thing and added colouring

im really bad at adding color :(

[fringe granite]

someone got any tips or tricks for drawing bigger circles and for drawing eyes?

[tardy frost]

drew evil while bored in photography class

[fringe granite]

nice one. i see you used circles for the face base.

do you have a method to get those circles done?

[austere pilot]

Yo, nice!

[tardy frost]

what do you mean?

[tardy frost]

thanks

[fringe granite]

i am new to drawing and i am kinda wondering how to do faces. most people tell to use circles as a base but i suck at drawing circles

[austere pilot]

I either go for a circle as a base, or just draw the jaw first

But you can use several strokes to create the circle and then trim it with an eraser

(trimming is easier digitally)

[fringe granite]

thats what i try rn but i keep failing at the moment

i always end up with an egglike shape

[austere pilot]

went from the first one yesterday to the last two today

[frosty vale]

nice

like the old comic style

[west nacelle]

I was wondering why AI would rebel

[austere pilot]

nasty ass camo but facial features are better now

[fringe granite]

i cant draw for at least 1 day

wait. maybe i have an replacement pencil

[oblique badge]

wanted to challenge myself and draw art until stream ends but I ran a little short https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1339719455969902673

[fringe granite]

how large is your desk btw. i cant use mine since the chair i have rn is trash and the keyboard is in the way and i cant put it anywhere else

[bronze juniper]

I draw this for fun

[slow arch]

:0

That's so cool

[buoyant gorge]

woah. topography goes crazy. must’ve taken a lot of time to get to this point.

i don’t understand sculpting myself too well, but i do like watching others sculpt in 3D.

is ok. i’ve been there too. worked on this one-shot zombie comic for like a year and never finished it

sounds cool

though i’m assuming you’d have to learn a lot about the tools involved. it’s never as easy as the idea entails.

[buoyant gorge]

maybe try something simple just for fun? Like doodling, but in 3D

take your time then.

never need to force yourself. a lot of other things to do in the meantime

i love drawing, but i always have burnout days and i just use that time and do other stuff.

maybe you can approach things differently? Like collab with someone where you make their 3D backgrounds and they draw characters in 2D over it. Might be fun.

New ideas spark new creativity.

supposedly

yeah, whenever i feel like im hitting an art block or not that motivated, i usually ask to draw someone else’s OC or do an art trade. It does help with coming up with new things, especially since I want to do the other artist justice with my art of their characters.

that’s cool too! Like Godot for games or something? I’m not too familiar with coding stuff.

that’s always fun. i’ve been drawing more of that lately. I have a nice composition of evil and family in my head atm but too lazy to draw it atm.

a budding Vedal

well, that’s fine cause you’re your own programmer and person. Do your own thing and surpass him in a few years. Easy.

Or just have fun with it. Honestly, that’s all that really matters.

i see

it is what it is i guess

hope you find somewhere more comfortable for you soon then

as a fellow Bocchi, I get it. My social battery dies so easily and ppl with too much energy makes it worse for me.

Evil Anny Vedal to start, but I need a few more ppl but don’t know who between Camila, Cerber, Miniko

maybe

oh and neuro too duh

[ocean pier]

i wanna join the bocchi club. what's up guys

[buoyant gorge]

kk i’ll include her then

[ocean pier]

yay!

[buoyant gorge]

looks up not much

[ocean pier]

hopefully a ceiling or at least a sky

[buoyant gorge]

time to get back to doodling. bye

[ocean pier]

have fun!

[ocean pier]

AI x family or something

[cunning rampart]

well time to attempt to learn to draw again so i can make neuro art. i still have my wacom drawing tablet just need to charge it and then suffer at my own inability to do art lmao

[buoyant gorge]

sketched some casual wear angel designs.

[cunning rampart]

Tyyyyyy 🥰🥰 once i make something remotely ok ill post in here maybe get some tips will start tomorrow its bedtime now

[buoyant gorge]

looking forward to it. have a good one

[placid sky]

Is this blue archive universe or something else also nice

[buoyant gorge]

nah just some OCs

[placid sky]

I see i was curious cause I noticed the halos

[buoyant gorge]

one of them is my pfp angel. i like angel designs

[placid sky]

nice I'm more into the "Ara ara" aka mommy type

Then I kinda bounce around what species archtype

[buoyant gorge]

respectable

[placid sky]

As an example my pfp

[buoyant gorge]

ooh fancy. definitely ara ara energy.

[placid sky]

She's my main oc

Seraphiem is her name

She is a demon or more specific daughter of lucifer

[faint valley]

Having a hard time deciding on what I want to do with these, I think I kind of like the idea and it could be almost functional too... but maybe symmetrical might be better and in a different finger covered/uncovered format.
I do overthink things too though...

[placid sky]

She also has the habit of adopting orphans

[buoyant gorge]

i always enjoy some powerful ocs with supernatural backgrounds myself

[buoyant gorge]

are u trying to figure out how to use the hands in a piece or something?

[placid sky]

Her main traits are kitsune and vampire

Her siblings and family have their own mixes

[faint valley]

I'm trying to figure out the gloves design for my updated character design ref

[placid sky]

Oooo you trying to decide on a glove design

Personally I tend to do the same on both hands unless I'm go8ng for a specific style

[austere pilot]

older art i made

a year or so ago

it stinks but

cool nonetheless

[placid sky]

For example RWBY au sera I made. look at her gloves ik the cropping sucks

[buoyant gorge]

yeah i agree with Seraph on this too. Additionally, most of the time asymmetry is involved in a character design there’s still reasoning behind its choice. Like a chaotic character should have more asymmetry as a representation of their nature for example.

[buoyant gorge]

it doesn’t stink. it is cool.

[faint valley]

I see

So symmetric would be better... just need to figure out exactly what pattern/style I should use then.

[placid sky]

Good she pretty

[cloud sky]

SO CUTE

[strange oar]

It’s pretty late and I’ve been drawing random emojis from the server and the quality is just getting worse and worse as i get more and more tired especially because I took some melatonin quite a while ago

[chrome stirrup]

I think I'm getting the hand of hands now

[faint valley]

I saw the reaction change...

[lunar garden]

lol it still looks better than i can ever draw

[lunar garden]

your name reminds me of the game azur lane

[ebon rivet]

I saw a synth that I really liked the sound of on twitter, so I tried to recreate it. Think it turned out pretty good (especially considering they made it in vital and I made it in pigments)

[slow arch]

That sounds so pleasant

Idk why but I can imagine playing that on loop while falling asleep in the dark

[radiant garden]

That audio sounds perfect for a watery seaside village

[ornate orchid]

Tanya-Evil (WIP)

If I make Tanya-Neuro, then I must make an Evil equivalent

Still unsure what facial expression I should use tho

I'm prolly just gonna completely change the face tho, cuz I feel like it's missing the impact that the original Tanya-Neuro had

Tanya-Neuro in comparison

Her head bigger here actually

[lofty kernel]

What do you think?

[azure nebula]

oo, I like this! Neuro x Tanya is such an interesting idea

[azure nebula]

Wow, that's really good! Have you considered adding music of some kind?

[lofty kernel]

I'd like to but there's a chance Cerber may stream and IDK what her licensing is

I have artlist.io and a couple of others but idk what Cerber has a licence for

[azure nebula]

What about royalty free music?

[buoyant gorge]

colored some angel OCs. too lazy to render.

[lofty cobalt]

Is that flstudio?

[rustic birch]

W

I feel like I’m looking to much into it but those poses look very familiar to jojos

[buoyant gorge]

yeah theyre part of gesture practices ive been doing recently so the jojo vibe is understandable 😅

[ornate orchid]

Evil Smile or Disgusted, pick one

[rustic birch]

I think the angry grit teeth fits more for the pose but thats just me

[deep hornet]

NIce

[buoyant gorge]

i like the smile a bit more personally. I do like the angry gritted teeth too but I feel like something about the facial expression makes her expression look like a mix between concerned and angry.

[ornate orchid]

Actually yeah haha, she looks more disgusted rather than angy

The “what the hell is wrong with you” face 😆

[buoyant gorge]

yeah, i can see that. i mean, that might be fine as is then.

[ornate orchid]

Aight disgusted Evil it is

Nvm Ill wait for a bit before I make decision

Tho it’s leaning toward disgusted rn

My brother voted 1

Idk anymore

[prime bronze]

Any Tips On Drawing Windows??

[storm flicker]

Shadow rendering

[storm flicker]

Oh very aesthethic looking art

One thing you can do is adding transluscence to the window

I recommend putting a gray layer on the glass and setting it to 20-30 opacity

[fringe granite]

thats an high quality neuro here

[fringe granite]

thats just an suggestion from an baginner but maybe make the clothed part of the leg slightly darker than the rest. even though it already look really fancy

[storm flicker]

oh dw its just shadows

since the color will be applied like this later

[fringe granite]

oh ok. i just started yesterday so i am max lvl of noob

[storm flicker]

its okay this type of shadow is called linear burn so when you apply lets say a dark brown it makes the dark areas darker

[prime bronze]

thanks borzoi

[storm flicker]

and when you use lets say a light brown the darker areas arent as dark

[fringe granite]

oh ok

[storm flicker]

youve probably heard of them right like what multiply does and stuff

altho i dont really like multiply since it lowers saturation

[fringe granite]

i got a tricky question. i have no drawing experience so i was wondering if i should practice on paper or if i should start by getting a tablett so that i can learn drawing the way i will do it later which is on pc

[storm flicker]

oh yeah they are sooo different

i did traditional for almsot a decade and i had to relearn everything doing digital

[fringe granite]

really?

[storm flicker]

yeah i suggest going to digital straight away

but i also recommend doing your fundamentals on paper (except color fundamentals)

[fringe granite]

yea thats what i am doing right now but i am struggeling with making symetrical circles. they are always round and would qualify as circles but there is always a lack of symmetry

and i dont really know of any other way to start faces

[storm flicker]

its all good to mess up thje circles

they are just there as a guide for you

[austere pilot]

Genuine question: Any tips for shading and coloring?

[storm flicker]

haha okay if you really wanted to get started i want you to lock in on learning loomis

you can go draw over irl people faces and see how facial features are constructed

[tidal grove]

Nah, loomis can't go before learning fundamentals. Lock in and draw cubes and cylinders 🧊

[fringe granite]

oh that looks like a hell lota shapes that need to be pretty much perfect

[storm flicker]

ohh yeah simple shapes and perspectives first

[tidal grove]

Tho, it's very boring to do

[storm flicker]

mmhm

[tidal grove]

so mix it with the things you actually want to draw

[fringe granite]

i think the part thats gonna kill me is the perspective. i have no sense of perspective

[storm flicker]

do you have any 3d software in your pc?

[prime bronze]

forgot to clarify I am bad at drawing sliding windows

[fringe granite]

no. i have krita but i am not using it since i have no tablet

[storm flicker]

blender/autocad helped me alot on learning how shapes look on different angles

ohh

[tidal grove]

Well, when it comes to just drawing, learning perspective, composition, shape design, then it's the same thing. Even painting traditionally and digitally isn't that far apart, if you look at just principals and not technicality

[storm flicker]

blender is really nice since it has automatic shading so you can see how a shaped is sculpted when exposed to light angle

yeah

[fringe granite]

i have some anime figures

think i could try drawing those?

[tidal grove]

Well, most of the artists haven't had it too. It's just practice

[storm flicker]

oh that works too if the joints are bendable

[tidal grove]

You can use sketchfab.com to see 3d models of the stuff you want to draw

[storm flicker]

you gotta figure out what would you like to do first kumoko uhh do you like to make illustrations or storyboards for example

[fringe granite]

about my figures. some have bendable joints and some are static

[brittle sun]

everyone starts somewhere

[fringe granite]

the one with bendable joints have much more details in clothing though

[storm flicker]

take the clothes off

im kidding i want you to imagine how it would look like in basic shapes

[tidal grove]

"Oh no! Sliding windows - my only weakness"
and then you explode from inside

[brittle sun]

breaking things down on basic shapes is p much the first step to stuff

[fringe granite]

like drawing the body parts like some of those basic wooden puppets?

[storm flicker]

haha yeah

[tidal grove]

without clothes
https://tenor.com/view/смайлик-смайл-smile-ага-да-gif-16768912837796215019

[fringe granite]

i have a good static figure for that

[tidal grove]

No no no, those wooden things are very weird

[storm flicker]

i think he probably meant just the shapes for them

[urban summit]

I'mma tell you right now, it's useless unless you use it for vague pose reference.

Trust me, I own one.

[brittle sun]

those wooden puppets are p bad
but ye breaking down the body in shapes is the first step

[tidal grove]

It's useless unless you need a reference for a wooden puppet

[prime bronze]

Aw ma-

[fringe granite]

should i draw the parts one on one first or should i try the whole figure in the basic shapes

[lunar garden]

what would be advice to give for a art exam?

[storm flicker]

i recommend one by one

then connect them

and see if the proportions match each other

[tidal grove]

I liked the bean approach of breaking the torso when i was just starting. It's easier than drawing boxes and shit. I guess proko had a tutorial about that

[storm flicker]

yeah proko has everything tbh

[fringe granite]

That's the figure btw.

[urban summit]

good luck Focus on overview. Don't obsessively focus on adding minute texture.

[storm flicker]

hmm

thats pretyty complicated

but goodluck lolol

[tidal grove]

art is subjective

[fringe granite]

I have a standing one too but there she holds a book

[storm flicker]

oh thats better

youll find it simpler you can ignore the hands and focus on how the character is structured

[lunar garden]

hmm for nature and still life?

[storm flicker]

things that are farther look grayer

[urban summit]

Oh, they will look at them objectively.

[deep hornet]

[tidal grove]

Still subjective, if you have problems with vision or perception

[fringe granite]

Guys

How do I draw hands

[tidal grove]

🤓 Um, acshually it depends on the ambient

[lunar garden]

my art is on 22nd and 24th

[urban summit]

Focus on overview. Do the part you confident that you can do it. Don't focus on adding deep detail or texture, cuz you'll be trap on that task alone.

[tidal grove]

Break it down to simple shapes. A palm is a box, fingers are just tubes

[brittle sun]

honestly try to have fun with things

[storm flicker]

they are probably stressing out rn

it might be a very important art exam

[tidal grove]

The most crucial advise in life. Don't think about the end result, think about the process

[signal tide]

@fringe granite
Regarding light and shadow volume, you can simplify the structure into basic geometric shapes, like treating the head as a sphere and the arms as two connected cylinders, in order to define the basic light and shadow.

Borzoi's works require a certain understanding of human anatomy, such as the curves of muscles and bones, as well as the comprehension of body mass. This is not something you can quickly learn in a short time.

Volume sculpting is also related to style classification. It can be divided into three categories based on the level of detail: flat shading, thin painting, and thick painting. For beginners, it's helpful to start by tracing flat-shaded works to understand the basic logic of volume, as it won't demand as much anatomical knowledge.

[brittle sun]

i mean ye but in general having a bit of fun with things is important
especially when it comes to art

i started bcs i had fun
and then i had an arc where i really tried to improve and lost all motivation, inspiration and love i had for drawing
i only started having fun with it after i just kept drawing evil because i felt like it

[storm flicker]

[brittle sun]

you have to find a fine balance between doing what you like and trying to improve

[lunar garden]

it sure is important for icse but there isn't really any stress idk why

[tidal grove]

i learned anatomy when i did 3d sculptures. Took me only a week. I forgot everything tho, so now i just draw ugly people as if it was the purpose. I think, it's really easy to learn that kind of thing in 3d first and then apply to drawing. But you'll have to spend a year learning blender

[storm flicker]

oh damn built diff

i usually just learnt human anatomy when i was making art on paper

ig its not all true that you have to relearn everything but learn how to apply them

[brittle sun]

Also always very important to remember, everyone starts somewhere

[wraith kelp]

I also pretty much only draw Evil since i find drawing her to be really fun and I only draw other characters every once in a while

[storm flicker]

yeah it also helps that evils outfit is really simple to draw so theres more freedom in a sense

[brittle sun]

i documented my entire art journey in the past years,
and sometimes i really hate my current stuff, but looking back i improved massively

[tidal grove]

and also some people have a very big head start, so don't compare your progress to anyone

[brittle sun]

also I still dont know how sailor uniforms work when drawing evil or neur

[tidal grove]

Same

Sometimes i see an artwork of someone who understands, and it always looks very good

[storm flicker]

akebi chan is probably one of the best ways to learn about it cause the artist for some reason is a psychopath and gives it hell-like physics

[tidal grove]

Tho, it's really easy to fix, just analyze some references. But i'm lazy

[brittle sun]

honestly what is suprisingly helpful are art study videos on youtube

[storm flicker]

yeah do you also check out riot artists by any chance?

[wraith kelp]

I can barely even understand normal clothing folds. Seeing this amazes me

[brittle sun]

oh ye every now and then

[storm flicker]

same its such a masterful bullshit in a technical way its wonderful

[brittle sun]

there are so many great artist popular or not so well known and i feel like i learn sth every time i look at their works

[fringe granite]

Getting proportions right sure is hard

[brittle sun]

wlop will forever be a fascination for me

anyways have fun and keep improving everyone
I'll go back studying for exams

[storm flicker]

nice my favourite is chen bo and loose stroke

[thick gale]

in that case fkey is just an upgrade version of akebi bc its in color

[storm flicker]

oh thats true

thats very endgame

altho its funny how riot artists dont recommend this too so im very conflicted

[fringe granite]

About the dress here. I have the line that goes down. How do I go about the part of the dress that's spreading out on the bottom

[storm flicker]

you look from the bottom of the skirt and see how the legs are placed

[thick gale]

this is fucking insane

[tidal grove]

My favorite is sinix design. The best source of experience for me

[storm flicker]

oh he really likes to use alot of grass ambience on the cloths

makes the dress look reflective

i assume some other artists would make the ambience on the clothes reflect directly from the light source eg sky/sun

but he split overlays, very interesting

[urban summit]

Oh yeah, one more thing @prime bronze . Raise the bottom of the slide windows boarder up a bit. Since it's connect to the outside, it prevent dirt and water from getting in while the window is open or it's raining outside.

[storm flicker]

mixes green and sky ambience

[urban summit]

I might get too technical, sorry.

[fringe granite]

Yeaaaa the perspective is fckn me up

[urban summit]

Fkey. One of the artist who got many of their work stolen to be post on Pinterest. That's how I unfortunately know the artist.

[tidal grove]

The principals are not that complicated, it's just lines converging to points. The hard part is to feel the right angles. You'll train that ability with enough observation and practicing

[thick gale]

idk why he doesnt use a signature, it would be much easier to find him

[fringe granite]

The problem I have is that if I for example draw the baseline of the dress down and then the dress spreads out on the bottom. How should I draw that to give it an actual feeling of going around

[storm flicker]

oh

dw thats where lighting will give it a sense of being 3d

shadowing etc

[fringe granite]

But I still have to draw it the thing I struggle with is the angle an length of the lines are

[tidal grove]

Can you show what you mean, i didn't understand

[potent briar]

is there any chibi head reference of neuro or evil, one that is a front view with good symmetry? i would like to turn it 3D? i couldn't find something like that on my own.

[tidal grove]

Something like that. You basically got it right

Adding some folds to describe the shape will help a lot

[fringe granite]

I see my fault there. I should have focused on the outer lines first

Thanks

[tidal grove]

Also, that particular example has lines on the dress itself, they show the 3d form a lot

[brittle sun]

also to add a very hugging dress so you see the outline of the legs and how they affect the dress itself

[fringe granite]

So it's a good model to practice?

[scenic hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/charles-robinson-penis-thats-a-penis-himym-how-i-met-your-mother-gif-4703463

[oblique badge]

If you talking about official ones, then all we have is in pinned messages and also these sketches

[tidal grove]

I'd start with something that shows the body's shape

dresses obscure it

so something in pants and shirts

[chrome stirrup]

cubes and cylinders, plus sphere shading

[storm flicker]

croptop and dolphin shorts

[chrome stirrup]

also hi troobs I haven't seen you drop by here before

hi brozoi

[storm flicker]

hello cheeki

[chrome stirrup]

are you cooking?

[tidal grove]

This place exists for less than a week

Well, I am an occasional chatter

[chrome stirrup]

oh, yeah I thought this was artist general again

[storm flicker]

haha yeah

[chrome stirrup]

[urban summit]

Yeah, it was a pretty obscure forum. Not that many people know it exist.

[storm flicker]

Im making gyat

Just finishing up the color touch ups

[chrome stirrup]

my lord in heaven

[brittle sun]

artist alley seeing a lot of visit now that it is more visible

[urban summit]

https://tenor.com/view/korone-yes-gif-18408532

[tidal grove]

Real advise: don't eat. I don't eat and i never get fat

[chrome stirrup]

honestly it amazes me you do that on a phone

we gotta get you a cintiq

[storm flicker]

lol thank you

whats a cintiq

[urban summit]

Drawing tablet

[tidal grove]

a drawing tablet with a screen

[storm flicker]

ohh

[brittle sun]

still dont know how borzoi does that on phones

[storm flicker]

im trying to use up my phones lifespan before moving to tablet

[chrome stirrup]

Bro got the magic fingers

[tidal grove]

very tiny and precise

[chrome stirrup]

I suppose your fingertips do have pen pressure built in