2024-game-jam

[pulsar stag]

holy, wish i knew how to make sprites
its looking amazing

[royal jewel]

What thing? That reminds me of how my bundler just, comes with a little JVM to make sure it will always run anywhere

I already made Neuro clicker, it's already a thing

[cerulean jetty]

That is one of the solutions, except you can also strip down said jvm to what you actually need.
Other is turn it into a pre-compiled binary.

[royal jewel]

I don't actually know what parts of the JVM my thing depends on
If someone wants to make a minimal build of it, feel free to

[cerulean jetty]

What are you building with? (I use gradle)

[royal jewel]

Yeah, Gradle

You should be able to find the code for the thing on GitHub

[cunning inlet]

oh jeez, last time I checked there were 244 participants, now there's almost 500

[cerulean jetty]

More info xD

[royal jewel]

https://github.com/Superbox2147/simple-http-server
There, you can look at that if you want to know how it works

[cerulean jetty]

remember it, this was the thing where I checked if it's ktor or not xD

[royal jewel]

It has almost no external libraries, just using the Java and Kotlin STDs

Or whatever JDK 21 comes with

And dotenv because I like using that convenient little thing

[cerulean jetty]

I'm not that big with java modules but that says java.net module.

@royal jewel where do I put the env file?

I think it worked, but it is complaining that it can't find it.

Does the dotenv library rely on reflection?

[royal jewel]

.env needs to be in the working directory

[cerulean jetty]

Works.

xD

[royal jewel]

What is that mess?

[bright dagger]

very judgmental!

[cerulean jetty]

You run the binary in the bin folder, the app is your stuff, the runtime is the stripped down jre.
This is also the linux build.

[royal jewel]

So you built it for Linux as a native image?

Now can it serve a game?

[cerulean jetty]

Not a native image, just a plugin to use the jlink tool to have a minimal jre.

[royal jewel]

Interesting

Now make it function

Do the webserver thing

[royal jewel]

Add an index file

[fresh remnant]

I'm bored so I'll write a rust version for fun. Then it is a single executable.

[cerulean jetty]

I'm gonna point at the output of something else I have.

[royal jewel]

Silly

[cerulean jetty]

Not gonna screenshot it.

Works. Dumped all files in bin.

[royal jewel]

Have fun replicating the automatic open in browser, the configuration system and the /$env/ endpoint

[cerulean jetty]

Let me turn it into a single executable next then.

[royal jewel]

[fresh remnant]

It's like 50 loc. Can't be that hard

[royal jewel]

Well, depends on how much the Rust STD does for you

[cerulean jetty]

After the rust devs told the linux kernel that they need to introduce instabilities to make their language work I have significantly less trust towards it.

[cerulean jetty]

The native image tool does not wish to pick up my glibc. I'm also getting something else that I think is awt being very old, but fixing that is not worth my time. Making a PR with the jlink package.

[royal jewel]

Interesting

Maybe it should be an optional branch and not the main branch
But I have no clue how to do that

[cerulean jetty]

nah, it does not affect the main build in any way shape or form. I'll just clear out the graal stuff. Jlink works.

[royal jewel]

If it has any major differences somehow I would like it to be separated from the main stuff

[cerulean jetty]

Look at the PR.

I did not even remove the meta-inf folder that does not seem to do anything real.

Nor explicitly add the application plugin that should be a part of it.

@royal jewel It is waiting for your review now.
https://github.com/Superbox2147/simple-http-server/pull/1

the -1 line is also a lie.

[royal jewel]

It should be used for the artifact when I build the jar
For some reason sometimes that just refuses to work though

[cerulean jetty]

Want me to add it in as well?

[royal jewel]

The build artifact?

[cerulean jetty]

That plugin is technically added to it already now xD

the jlink plugin contains it.

[royal jewel]

Interesting

I just use the stuff that IntelliJ comes with

[cerulean jetty]

I never use anything from the IDE to build anything, as that is not portable.

[royal jewel]

What do you mean not portable?

[cerulean jetty]

I use it for work, so it always has to run in CI as well for example.

I can just run the assembleDist task and it produces the expected results.

ű

[royal jewel]

Interesting

[cerulean jetty]

I also suffered sooo much with other devs setting up their ide-s in a highly specific way making me unable to run their stuff. xD

[royal jewel]

Interesting

Very interesting

Well, I'll get to looking at whatever you did eventually
I have a quick feature to implement in one of my things

[fresh remnant]

@royal jewel do you have/know of example projects that use your bundler? I need something to test with.

[royal jewel]

Neuro clicker I guess?

But that's still kinda in testing phase

There's also the example included in https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1316605675631022192 I think

[fresh remnant]

It finally downloaded, thanks!

[royal jewel]

To test the env stuff you can just try to open http://localhost:7272/$env/PATH

Or you can try any other env variable other than PATH

[cerulean jetty]

@royal jewel also kudos that you got a bunch of applications technically published with the package name "org.whatever" xD

[royal jewel]

It's just my default and often I don't bother to change it

[cerulean jetty]

xD

[mighty lance]

game jam started

[royal jewel]

Silly Neuro

[mighty lance]

we have 3 hours

[bright dagger]

[royal jewel]

Maybe Neuro's having a micro game jam

[proper bronze]

THE THEME IS FROGS AND DUCKS

[cerulean jetty]

Neuro is hosting a second jam xD

[mighty lance]

what about the lava lamp jam

[next hull]

wait did the game jam actually end?

or does it start today

confused

[mighty lance]

starts tomorrow

[next hull]

oh ok

[fleet goblet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1129276729169543259/1308919460937072681/ezgif-6-982b070020.gif

Literally darkeew levels of non-humor there

Stop spreading misinformation

[mighty lance]

neuro said it Alex

[fleet goblet]

I know

[royal jewel]

Very silly Neuro

[cerulean jetty]

That was still super funny.

[fresh remnant]

Turns out, I'm really good at estimating loc for some reason. It's 52 including blank ones. https://github.com/Robotino04/simple-http-server

[royal jewel]

Interesting

Very interesting

[fresh remnant]

It's also ~8MB so way smaller than yours

[royal jewel]

Well, mine was designed to just be a quick and easy solution to the web game problem

Well, I guess people can just choose if they want to use my solution which should be able to function multiplatform with some configuration changes or if they want to use yours and recompile to all non-Windows platforms that they want to support

[fresh remnant]

Yours includes a Windows JRE so it isn't multiplatform either. And we only need windows because that's what Vedal will use.

[royal jewel]

It can be multiplatform if you include a different Java runtime

The jar itself can run on any platform

Either way, it's up to the users if they want to use Rust of Kotlin

[fresh remnant]

The only reason to use a webserver like this is if you need access to ENV variables. Otherwise you can just host it on itch directly.

[royal jewel]

Yeah

So only if you need Neuro API stuff

[fresh remnant]

Yeah and I don't think Vedal wants to download multiple GB worth of JREs, which is why I made this version.

[royal jewel]

Eh, he's probably gonna do it in a cloud VM again

[waxen trail]

I can't believe I didn't see the gamejam channel until today D:

Somehow missed it

Also massive props to Alex for all the replies and everything on Itchio

[violet surge]

is itch down?

[cerulean jetty]

Had a hickup

Seems to be back.

Nope, it's completely down xD

[civic fractal]

[cerulean jetty]

Surely we did not accidentally DDOS itch.io... xD
There is not enough of us.

[civic fractal]

Well, seems like we are not a small team anymore

[misty tree]

its almost time

im so hyped

[waxen wasp]

my team suddenly grew to 7 people

now i gotta make sure it works so i dont waste all their time

[cerulean jetty]

Same, 7 people here.

[waxen trail]

Last jam Itch.io went down right when the score was supposed to be announced

[cerulean jetty]

Are we able to ddos itch then? xD

[waxen trail]

Same

[civic fractal]

Sorry for your loss

I'm joking, I also need to deal with the team size

[misty tree]

im in a bit of a weird spot where i dont really know if i need anything else or not, so i dont wanna get more people if i dont need em and they dont have much to do, but also that concerns me in case i do need more xD

[ember gorge]

💀 that's 3 teams with 7 people, how are you guys planning to handle roles and tasks allocation?

[cerulean jetty]

We already have it mostly allocated, but a good idea to talk about it. >.<

[waxen wasp]

most of my team is doing sound/RVC

[ember gorge]

I recommend using trello/airtable for a visual view, gonna be very helpful for the next 3 sleepless days

[royal jewel]

Neuro RVC will certainly be a highlight

[waxen wasp]

[ember gorge]

fair enough, I don't doubt the amount of work and effort for them

[royal jewel]

All the stuff for Neuro RVC certainly takes a bit of effort
To make a song, you need an instrumental and vocals, in this case a base vocal, which then needs to be converted to Neuro with Neuro RVC, then that needs to be mixed with the instrumental to make the final song

[ember gorge]

I don't have much ideas about RVC but I would love to learn more on how to work them

[shell arch]

do we have a place to get neuro noises?

[waxen wasp]

just look at public assets

[shell arch]

alright, tyty

[royal jewel]

Yeah, there's that and then you can use Neuro RVC and Evil RVC if you need your own

[waxen wasp]

is Fz3D in neurocord?

we were wondering if we're allowed to use their neuro model

would also like to make alternate version if the license allows for it

[waxen trail]

I collected a bunch of Neuro,Vedal and Evil sounds this year too!! - also chatters and @misty tree helped
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1xnw1v3JHfCCtYgTSk4B2cQeJrSAnNjv_

[misty tree]

😄

[lethal egret]

Well... I'm afraid that I will not participate on the jam. but good luck to everyone

[waxen wasp]

[waxen trail]

With some luck Vedal will host one for Evil's birthday too in three months

So hopefull you could join us then!! but thank you for the good luck wishes

[lethal egret]

The thing is... not that i cannot make a game... the thing is.. I do not believe That i cannot make it onto the stress of a game jam (Especially If i wanna listen to neuro too )

[cerulean jetty]

Does not matter what you do.

[waxen trail]

My recommendation is... don't listen to Neuro for the duration of the gamejam, you'll go mad like Vedal but also it's worth a try!! you just have to make something playable and not way too broken doesn't have to be mega complex

[cerulean jetty]

If it's a 1 level platformer then that is enough for a jam.

[waxen trail]

Yeah, the jam is more about trying to make something and having fun moreso than being stressed out!

[calm sandal]

Exactly like the people above me said. It's just for fun and testing your current skills

[cerulean jetty]

Most of my jam games have 1 level.

And I never wait until the final moment.

[calm sandal]

I don't believe I'll make anything worthwhile either, but I'm pumped for joining

[waxen trail]

Worst case you'll have an incomplete game and you'll do better next time - you'll also know where you went right and where you went wrong and can grow from that

[lethal egret]

Okey... i'll change my mind If I find some cool idea for a posible game. (And if my lazyness doesn't get the best of me). Thank you all. And good luck to all anyways

[calm sandal]

Good luck to you as well :3

[cerulean jetty]

100% if the chalange this time will be working in a team xD

[waxen trail]

Yeah working in a team isn't easy, you get more people but you need to communicate and direct people properly! that being said you can make magic happen if things go well

[sage sapphire]

I'm going in solo cuz I wanna experience pain

[lethal egret]

Yep. I'll guess if I try, I'll go solo. That would be another game to the list

[royal jewel]

This game jam will certainly be interesting
Hopefully people do cool stuff with the Neuro and Evil RVC models we've cooked with Wispers this year

I know there's some cool stuff cooking

[lethal egret]

Good luck solo. Hope you don't burn out

[sage sapphire]

likewise

[royal jewel]

If others make original songs with the Neuro voices, that would be insane

[civic fractal]

Best of luck

[sage sapphire]

I saw it and was like woah! Wanted to see what I can do with it

[cerulean jetty]

Imo, the real deal is gonna be the Nuro integration. We can basically make games for Neuro to play. xD

[civic fractal]

I did solo last year, now I'm doing large team management.

[royal jewel]

It's not part of the jam though, so for the jam itself original songs would absolutely be highlights

[royal jewel]

Yeah, it's very powerful
We even managed to complete Evil V7 in time for the game jam, which should offer much more Evil neuro quality

[calm sandal]

And how did it go last year?

Have you managed to make what you wanted in time?

[civic fractal]

Considering I went without a game engine.

[royal jewel]

Machine love and such are extremely high quality covers with Neuro, Evil V7 should allow for similar on Evil

[civic fractal]

I did well, scoped out for what I did

[calm sandal]

gigaIgglyn

[cerulean jetty]

[civic fractal]

Nah, My partner for this year @waxen wasp deserves that for custom 3d engine for the jam.

[sage sapphire]

Yea, rn I'm in the process of testing things out so it won't take a large chunk of my time. Also forgot to setup my fami studio in my new system So I'm working on audio stuff today

[calm sandal]

You both guys must have mad skills, big kudos

[civic fractal]

Packaging was suffering on earth

[royal jewel]

I know the best pipeline and will absolutely be utilizing that information for the game jam with who I'm working with
It's pretty cool stuff and will make for an extremely accurate Neuro

[civic fractal]

That is why it is already dealt with this year

[waxen wasp]

its just the power of my weaponized autism

[calm sandal]

There is no stronger weapon

[royal jewel]

Will basically bring in the masterful pipeline used for masterpieces such as Machine love to get extremely accurate Neuro vocals

[sage sapphire]

Looking forward to what ya'll have cooking

[waxen trail]

I did myself + composer last year and I'll try to do the same maybe this year, but I'm open to being flexible and open to things if I see an especially interesting opportunity super excited

[waxen wasp]

expectations are high

[royal jewel]

I'm also looking forward to seeing what others cook with the RVC models I've provided them
They're as far as I know the best Neuro and Evil RVC models that exist

At least outside of Vedal's own stuff

The power to do things like this is extremely cool

[civic fractal]

I wish you the best of luck, Try and do as much as you can. I opted to sacrifice a bit of quality to be able to script out all of the processing I need to do.

Actually, without that amplification step. There is no downside anymore.

The music team is seprate from my own work. I'm doing voice lines.

[sage sapphire]

Dang, this is really well made

[royal jewel]

It's literally just the first Evil V7 test cover

I made it extremely quickly in Audacity

Just shows how good the models are

[cerulean jetty]

I can hear that it's not , but really close.

[sage sapphire]

[royal jewel]

It's extremely close

At the very least

[cerulean jetty]

That is my brain's problem with it, it falls into the uncanny valley xD

[sage sapphire]

I'll keep that in mind

[royal jewel]

Interesting

[civic fractal]

Remeber you need to denoise if your doing vocals

[royal jewel]

This is my best raw-RVC cover by the way, where raw-RVC means done by extracting the vocal from the original instead of synthetically generating one

I'm surprised by how good Neuro's Finnish is

[cerulean jetty]

it's good, but actually worse for my brain xD

[royal jewel]

These are some of my favorites, Machine love is in my opinion the best RVC cover I've done

[waxen trail]

Neurojam chads we hit more than 500 joined

[lethal egret]

I pressed the button too

[royal jewel]

Machine love is so good there's actually plans to make an MV for it, it's that

[sage sapphire]

Damn, now I wanna recreate monitoring by deco*27 with it

[royal jewel]

What's that song? I could see if we could do that one

(I can add it to the list)

[sage sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbNdx0yqbZE

this one

[royal jewel]

Interesting
Any specific Neuro you would want to use?

Neuro and Evil are both extremely high quality, but Evil may have a higher range

[sage sapphire]

I was thinking of using evil considering the style of this song

[royal jewel]

I could add it on the list for Evil then

[sage sapphire]

[royal jewel]

It's now on the list
The list is growing quite a lot with all the suggestions we've got during the Evil V7 development
And we haven't yet done the Evil V7 showcase songs either, just quick tests to check the model quality level

(the quality is good for certain)

Well, hopefully people cook up some cool stuff with Neuro RVC

I don't know how many people may do songs, but those would be insane to see, especially original ones

[nimble dew]

I sure hope the real theme is nothing that weirdly specific. I have a bunch of ideas and none would fit to something like that.
72 hours feel so tight for a lot of game types... 🤔

[hasty drift]

lost and found last year was an odd theme for many too

[nimble dew]

Really? Sounds very versatile.

[umbral adder]

You have unlocked new role

[hasty drift]

well, at least it is not specific

wonder if Vedal lets Neuro decide for a different topic if her first spoken choice is not good enough

like if she says "racing game" or something

[nimble dew]

I suppose "frogs and ducks" can also be everything as long as frogs and ducks are in there but just replacing assets seems odd.

[hasty drift]

that can be put everywhere yea

[nimble dew]

Oh gawd please no specific genre like racing game 😄 inb4 100 barely different Mario Kart style games...

[hasty drift]

theme of the game jam will be... lava lamp

[royal jewel]

Wouldn't even work well for Neuro API

[hasty drift]

Well, the Neuro API is not part of the game jam. Alex made that clear

[royal jewel]

Yeah, but it would be kinda dumb if the theme was something that doesn't work for the Neuro API at all for those that want to implement it after

[hasty drift]

Yes I agree but I think it wont be a KO criteria

[royal jewel]

We'll just see what happens
Hopefully the theme will be something where it's possible to make a fitting song

[hasty drift]

Think in the future it would be cool to have a forum channel for fan games, like for fan art. And when the SDK is integrated and the game has been reviewed, it could become content for the streams. Infinte content generation machine

[royal jewel]

That would be pretty crazy

[civic fractal]

That would be nice for marketing as well, win win for everyone

[royal jewel]

I'm hoping Neuro RVC stuff will be as much of a highlight of the jam itself as I think it will be

That stuff is extremely powerful

And extremely accurate

[civic fractal]

I hope so as well

[royal jewel]

If we manage to do what we're going for, it will certainly be a highlight in what we're doing

We will see what happens soon

[nimble dew]

I wonder how many experienced or professional game developers we got or if we all are very inexperienced.

[hasty drift]

I think it will be same ish as last year

[nimble dew]

Which means?

[hasty drift]

there were a good mix, id say

some very simple games, and some which seemed to be quite well made

[royal jewel]

I will definitely be looking out for games using Neuro RVC stuff (and probably making sure the models are credited where used)

[nimble dew]

Oh yeah quality wise kinda but nothing that I saw was like super far above the others.

[hasty drift]

Team size variation was also huge. from solo dev to huge teams of 5-6 peeps or so

[civic fractal]

Two teams of 7

[hasty drift]

even 7

[civic fractal]

I'd know I'm in one of them

[hasty drift]

Yea think I remember

[royal jewel]

That's pretty big

[civic fractal]

I'm hoping the larger teams don't collapse

[royal jewel]

Yeah, that would be kinda unfortunate
Especially since the biggest teams have the best chance to have the resources to do really cool stuff with Neuro RVC

[sage sapphire]

Managed to get it working I just need to refine and understand more how this works but overall I now have the ability to make stuff with it

I really liked the chorus for this one

[royal jewel]

General note: Vocaloid bases are terrible in raw-RVC

Any base with overlapping vocals is also bad, you need to remove those

[sage sapphire]

[royal jewel]

This one is me using all my raw-RVC tricks to make it as high quality as possible for raw-RVC, going for anything better than this basically requires either an official vocal release or a synthetic base

[carmine hollow]

finland moment

[royal jewel]

Neuro's Finnish is actually surprisingly good

[carmine hollow]

Yeah I was a bit shocked when the vocals started, although I haven't really heard the technique applied on Finnish vocals before so I have nothing to compare to

[proud smelt]

Wellness Reminder for Game Jam Participants!
17 hours until the game jam kicks off!

Rest up: Get a good night´s sleep so you can start fresh and focused.
Prepare meals: Have easy to make or pre prepared food ready to save time during the jam.
Snacks: Stock up on snacks like fruits, nuts, or whatever keeps you fueled and happy.
Hydrate: Keep a water bottle nearby to stay refreshed and avoid caffeine overload.
Set the vibe: Prepare your workspace with comfy seating, good lighting, and your favorite tunes.
Take breaks: Plan short breaks to stretch, relax, and recharge your creativity.

Good luck everyone!

[royal jewel]

Well, it's really just a matter of how clean the input data is
This specific song happened to extract very cleanly
Here's a song that did not extract that cleanly

[carmine hollow]

om

tbf 80% of that song is speech/yelling so I guess that tech isn't really as applicable

[royal jewel]

RVC should be fully applicable here if we had a clean base
And the model is good enough

I'm pretty sure Evil V7 at least would be good enough with a clean base

Most covers I do are SynthV based, these two were me experimenting for fun

[carmine hollow]

Oh? That's interesting, intuition says speech would result in an unnatural vocal register but idk

[royal jewel]

RVC should be completely capable of converting speech

[carmine hollow]

Not at all in on that tech, just making assumptions about how it's used

[royal jewel]

RVC is just a voice changer, nothing specific to singing

These models of mine are just very highly optimized for singing

[stable crescent]

Tbf I really like the synth sound of vocaloid

[carmine hollow]

Yeah ik, I'm mainly extrapolating from the beginning here sounding really unnatural

[royal jewel]

Yeah, Vocaloid has a cool style to it, it's just really not ideal for RVC models trained on samples of clean humanlike singing

[royal jewel]

It sounds unnatural probably because it's so low in the original and Evil's low range sounds odd sometimes
I think Neuro would run out of range that low though

[pulsar stag]

@tardy geyser may i ask a quick question about the github sdk repository? since u mentioned in #livestream-chat just now

its about if it will only be open during game jam, or if these infos will still maintain there even after the end of the event in case someone ever want to make game compatible with neuro/evil

i was thinking to do that for others games, not only game jam*

[tardy geyser]

repo and game jam are different things. game jam promotes the repo so that you can integrate support after the game jam

remember chat, the purpose of the game jam is to make a game to be rated by the community

[proud smelt]

Question, can anyone rate the games?
I remember reading, only people who participated of the game jam can rate other games.

[civic fractal]

That is what it was the previous year yep

[lapis meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ina-ninomae-inanis-inanis-tomorrow-day-gif-25547129

[ember gorge]

only participants can vote is the case for most itch.io game jams. I've seen some cases where if you are not a participants, you have to rate 5-10 random entries before you can rate the others but that also have it drawbacks

[gloomy shale]

I'm so not ready for this lmao let's do thisssss

[pale iron]

Is anyone going to stay up for 72 hours?

[fleet goblet]

[misty tree]

i think i would get less done if i did that

[pale iron]

Are you also participating in the game jam alex?

[fleet goblet]

I mean obviously, someone has to win right?

[gloomy shale]

I might have to stay up the whole time, I didn't plan well and have to also work both the 27th and 28th ; w; should have taken the days off prior

[misty tree]

speaking of, who even won last year

[fleet goblet]

:)

My team got first place in the ratings but vedal designated his favorite as the second place game which was Colt Boot

I don't believe we should have been that highly rated though, we didn't really follow the theme properly

[misty tree]

to some extent people rate higher accross the board if they like the game i think

i had a 1.4 audio score when i had no audio

so it absolutely shoulda been rated 1 by everyone xD

[waxen wasp]

probably not, maybe 62 hours

[waxen wasp]

i also had no audio but got 119/122

my last game wasn't that great tho so its understandable

[civic fractal]

I thought you were sleeping

Also we have 8 now xdx

[fleet goblet]

Bigger teams don't always mean better games

[civic fractal]

Agreed on that

Management has it's own issues

[waxen trail]

-Says Alex after winning last year with a sizeable team 😏 (he's right though lmao)

[waxen trail]

In their defense, no audio is better than absolutely awful audio x"D but jams can be weird like that

[civic fractal]

Yeah, we have a plan but it is going to be a cluster

I'm excited, but I'm going to have to work fast

[waxen trail]

You got this! but yeah clear communication is important in teams

[civic fractal]

Can only do so much when we are bouncing a song across 5/6 people

Got the best team I could have asked for

[misty tree]

i would say the way it works is that larger teams have higher potential, but only if you can manage it properly

[waxen trail]

Yeah, you can make things you could've never made alone thanks to other people's input, but communicating and making sure everyone is working on the right thing takes time

[civic fractal]

We decided to talk it over before the jam started. We got a lot of people on audio so that part was simple. I'm co-leading the team, and we pretty much got everyone's tasks figured out.

Just waiting on a theme and a game idea. Then we roll.

It helps that almost all of us know each other already.

[cerulean jetty]

Tasks are figured, repo set, itch page ready.

[tame rapids]

i wonder what this game jams theme will be

hopefully nothing too crazy since neuro got a bit more unhinged/zoomer/content-brained compared to last year

though might be funny

[craggy violet]

What was last years theme?

[waxen trail]

Empty!! it's great to see so many faces from last year's jam

Honestly last year I expected an incoherent theme idea too lol but we got a very reasonable one

[waxen trail]

It was "Lost and Found

[cerulean jetty]

It was reasonable yeah.

[tame rapids]

Hello superobot1! I was wondering why I didn't see you on this channel. Happy to see you

[waxen trail]

Discord didn't show it to me so I had to look it up can't believe I only joined yesterday evening lmao
Really glad to see you too hyped for the jam!!!

[copper ibex]

im so excited and scared for the game jam

[potent stirrup]

getting closer to finishing

[waxen trail]

This is so good!!! the bouncy hair and hairties is 💯

[waxen wasp]

That was the plan but didnt actually happen yet at that point. Showering and stuff

Now im awake for a bit cuz family is forcing me to go to party xyz for 4 hours, afterwards im going back to bed

[tame rapids]

i am also curious how many people will manage to implement neuro sdk during game jam (i know neuro integration is not part of the jam, but still would be cool)

[waxen trail]

Alex said that we should implement it after the jam so it doesn't take up dev time! but yeah I'm also curious to see how that will work out

We do not recommend implementing this during the game jam because it will eat up a huge chunk of your time
(From the jam page https://itch.io/jam/neuro)

[tame rapids]

i tested it a little bit and i think it's not that much time consuming (provided that i did it right with randy), even if neuro won't play it, you can always send context that tells neuro what is happening since it's mostly only one line of code (at least in godot)

but yeah, i will only implement this after my game will be mostly finished and i will have some leftover time

[waxen trail]

True, though in a 72 hour jam every second is precious!!
I'm curious to see the creative things people manage to integrate with it and half worried about Neuro integration issues (like weird timing with sending / receiving messages). Though tools like randy are really helpful for testing it

[cunning inlet]

bro the sign-up count was like 495 yesterday how is it 578 now holy

[tame rapids]

how many signed up last year?

[cunning inlet]

That's gonna be a lot of submissions

last year 122 submissions, I think 137 sign-ups tho(?)

since team member sign-ups count as a sign-up even though they might only make 1 game

[tame rapids]

what, that sounds like really high submission to signup ratio

[shell arch]

I'd expect that only 1/3 will actually submit something, but we will see

[tame rapids]

that's still is a lot games to play and rate

[cunning inlet]

yeah I expect some to not submit (either too late or never fully committed) and many to also just be part of a team, but I think we should have around 380i-ish submissions or sth

guess only time will tell

I feel so much more ready than last year, I was expecting to not submit last year even though I signed up lmao

[shell arch]

72h jam sounds really hard

[cerulean jetty]

I did a 9 hour one once.

[cunning inlet]

isn't 72h the average game jam length?

[cerulean jetty]

That was the "triple trijam", 3x3 hours

[shell arch]

I usually join 9+ days jams

[tame rapids]

don't worry, you can always not sleep, who needs that anyway

[cunning inlet]

I've only ever joined 1 game jam before

it was Neuro's game jam last year

[nocturne mango]

This will mildly affect fishing season

[cunning inlet]

I just hate feeling under pressure/stress, especially with a strict and short time limit, so I'm not the biggest fan of jams, but I'll do it for Neuro and this community

I simply wanna create something that will go down memory lane

[shell arch]

I'm a fan of jams because then I actually get to work on a project and learn how to do stuff

otherwise I just procrastinate

[nocturne mango]

Same, It's pretty fun doing something in a short amount of time

Idk if it's my weird adhd-ish? mind but

[tame rapids]

i usually get some weird rush of motivation during game jams and even if a overwork myself, i enjoy it quite well

also learning to do new stuff as well as making new scripts/assets to reuse in other games is also nice bonus

[waxen trail]

Vaza

[waxen trail]

I feel like longer jams can be harder in a way because it feels like the bar is higher lol

For a 72 hour jam just having a complete and mostly working game is challenge enough

[cerulean jetty]

Whatever you finish on day 1 is pretty much your game.

[tame rapids]

i prefer 3/4 day game jams as there is pressure, week long game jams motivate me much less

[cunning inlet]

good thing my day 1 is like 7 hours long due to my time zone lmao

[waxen trail]

You say that but from what I heard last jam Alex only came up with the idea on the night after the first full day

[cerulean jetty]

You have hours in your day 1? xD

[cerulean jetty]

Then the second day was day 1 for him xD

[waxen trail]

I guess x"D still it worked out

SO DON'T GIVE UP JAMMERS 😤 it's not over 'till it's over!!!

[cerulean jetty]

The same point still stands. You build something after getting the idea, then you spend the rest of time refining it.

[waxen trail]

That's absolutely true imo

[cunning inlet]

I will say, I'm still quite shocked over how I managed to somehow publish a fully coherent and complete experience last year despite how big my vision was for it initially, I thought I'd need a 4th day when I started

[cerulean jetty]

🙂

[shell arch]

oh yeah I definitely will have WAY less than 72hs lmao, that's the worst part

[waxen trail]

And it turned out so good too

[cunning inlet]

My brain really locked in since day 2, and also the Ctrl+C Ctrl+V shortcut went really hard

I have a feeling that Neuro's game playing SDK might have at least some amount of scuff once she starts trying to play the various games that implement it, but I think next year it should be 99% solid, I might consider figuring out how I could do it next year if I'm still around by then

also Neuro should be smarter as well, so she would be less likely to try pushing everything through the square hole xdd

[waxen trail]

Alex and his team really cooked on it and fixed bugs until the last moment, but there'll always be room for shenanigans like games that can't handle Neuro sending nonsense to them

[cunning inlet]

it will be fun to watch how those interactions go

[waxen trail]

Half excited for it half dreading it but knowing this community there'll definitely be some extremely creative projects which might use it in fun ways

[cunning inlet]

I was imagining a game where P1 (some guy / vedal) and P2 (either basic AI or Neuro) have to co-operate in order to solve puzzles and situations, like an escape room or sth

[cerulean jetty]

That just came to my head as an option.

Really only works with neuro or p2.

[cunning inlet]

if a game like that existed and Vedal+Neuro played it together on stream, it would go full KTANE bomb defusal mode where Vedal would yell at Neuro to give the answers and Neuro would refuse to co-operate

[waxen trail]

Bomb defusal part 2 add a shock collar API integration to the game lololol

[cerulean jetty]

Making Neuro the opponent is "safer" as she will fight xD

[cunning inlet]

oh god, shock collar, now you're giving me ideas

[tame rapids]

i personally plan to make 3d realtime game, but neuro will have option to buff or debuff vedal (or it will be random without sdk)

[cunning inlet]

add shock collar debuff, give the RandomAI a 0% chance, but Neuro a 10% chance to activate it

[tame rapids]

sounds incredibly funny, but i don't think vedal would agree

[waxen trail]

Every time that the word "shock" appears in game vedal gets shocked 😏

[cunning inlet]

yeah I wouldn't do it either, but it sounds funny af xdd

watching your favorite streamers suffer will never not be funny

[wary schooner]

can u join the game jam after it starts/neuro choses the theme?

[tame rapids]

yes

[cunning inlet]

if you're not sure whether you'll submit a game based on theme, you can still sign up now and decide whether you'll submit or not later

[wary schooner]

ho yh ur right ty!

[hazy totem]

I’m so ready to give people ideas

[hasty drift]

jamming soon

[wintry cosmos]

hey jammers ive released a neuro + friends sprite pack for use: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1roMZcDJvzbnkpnT4iBBj3lQ1nfd5ZGdj?usp=drive_link

[fringe star]

am so excited and kinda nervous, its my first time joining a game jam

[tame rapids]

good luck!

[royal jewel]

First time for me doing anything for anything like this, hoping people do cool stuff with my RVC models
I know there's some cool stuff cooking

[potent stirrup]

one last animation and I think I can release my sprite set

[cunning inlet]

my least favorite part about the game jam is that I won't be able to casually sit back and enjoy the subathon

reeeeeeeeeee

[wary schooner]

sadge

[tame rapids]

true

[cunning inlet]

the number must go up

it was less than 700k before the start lmao

[wary schooner]

just realized im poor

[tame rapids]

would be funny if vedal implemented feature that would allow neuro to make channel point predictions

[cunning inlet]

I considered gambling with predictions, but I haven't spent a singular channel point on anything

that there is 750k of pure ungambled points gathered since january 2023

[cerulean jetty]

He can instantly lower the price on everything because nobody has any points left xD

[cunning inlet]

we would only have like 5 people left sending highlighted messages

[cerulean jetty]

xD

[fair acorn]

Hello, I was wondering how long should the duration of the game be? Is it ok to participate with 3-5 minutes worth of gameplay?

[cerulean jetty]

Have anything up.

[tame rapids]

yeah, there aren't rules regarding how long it's supposed to be

[fair acorn]

I haven't prepared anything yet, but I'll try to make something small since I'm mostly free these 3 days. I'll take it as a learning experience. (of course if the result isn't good I won't upload it.)

[royal jewel]

I have no clue what we'll end up with, but I know we'll be doing good on the audio side

[shell arch]

I say upload it anyway

as long as you can call it a game

[cunning inlet]

yeah, doesn't matter how short or simple it is, as long as it's functional, it'll be alright

[fair acorn]

that's nice, do you use any particular programs for audio mixing? or just have a lot of pre-recorded sounds that will work well by itself?

[cunning inlet]

I'm starting to feel the stress seeping in again. I always put high expectations on myself, so I want to do well and create a fun experience

[cunning inlet]

Audacity

good for recording and editing sounds

[fair acorn]

that's the idea, thanks for the encouragement!

[tardy geyser]

hi Vaza, hi Empty!!!! it's been a year!

[cunning inlet]

It certainly has been exactly a day less than a full year since the start of last game jam

[fair acorn]

oh I have heard of audacity before, thanks I'll check it out.

[cunning inlet]

yeah it's 100% free as well, 11/10 program

[tardy geyser]

can't wait to see what you'll cook up this game jam. no pressure, but i'm looking forward to it

[cunning inlet]

yeah I'll try not to overpressurize myself either, I'll see what I can manage within the time limit xdd

I did some testing on a certain thing and I think I can make it work, so if the theme fits, you might witness some absolute cinema

[torpid bridge]

I'm glad to be in a larger group this year, last year our group only had 2 other people besides me

[royal jewel]

Our team is massive, I'm not gonna be doing the mixing, that will be up to Azaka
But if you want to do mixing, Audacity is a good application to get you going, if you need more advanced stuff you can use LMMS

[cunning inlet]

I might try utilizing a group next year

[royal jewel]

I'm responsible for song RVC on our team

[fair acorn]

I think audacity will be good enough, thanks

[royal jewel]

Yeah, it's good enough for a quick thing

And powerful enough to do this

(yes, I mixed Machine love in Audacity)

[cunning inlet]

there's also onlinesequencer.net

free online program for anyone that has no idea how to make music but wants to try

it's super simple to use, has a decent amount of variety and controllable variables, and is free to use

[tame rapids]

hello vanor!

[nimble dew]

Are there points for Neuro playability? I had an idea for a realtime Neuro themed open world ARPG game but that would be hard to make in the short time and would not really be playable by Neuro. Now I have an idea for a round based game but I have barely any ideas how to make in Neuro themed, it would be designed to be very playable by Neuro though.

[fair acorn]

I didn't knew this site, is very simple, I like it.

[royal jewel]

Neuro API is not part of the jam

[nimble dew]

It's a big factor in the game design though.

[royal jewel]

Neuro API is not a focus in the jam, you can just make a game that works with it if you feel like it and then integrate the API itself after the jam

[waxen wasp]

Same tbh, im hoping the team can help with gam ideas once the theme gets announced

[royal jewel]

We will see what happens

[fringe star]

its time, goodluck to all of you

[frosty terrace]

will the theme be reveal at "that" time because it will be like
2 am in my timezone

[cunning inlet]

I saw a clip from PirateSoftware, he said RPGs are the hardest type of games to make, especially as a(n) indie/solo dev due to the sheer amount of assets you need and how so many assets are single-use, and yet last year I literally made an RPG within 72 hours, and I'll probably do the same this year lmao

[waxen wasp]

its probably gonna be in 4 hours

[cunning inlet]

in 4 hours exactly yeah

[frosty terrace]

grammar error sorry
I meant that it will be 2 am by that time

[fringe star]

yep 4 hours left

[cerulean jetty]

A small RPG is easy, because it is very little code that needs to function.

You can build one out of a text box, a button, and being able to move on a 2D plane.

Or just 1 button script xD

[cunning inlet]

the adrenaline is making my body tremble lmao, I need to keep myself under control

[fringe star]

me too, i can physically hear my heart

[waxen wasp]

im stressed as fuck

[cerulean jetty]

I'm not.

[graceful salmon]

ngl, i would do the game jam except I don't have free time in the next few days

[waxen trail]

Pray with me to the bwa gods for another jam for Evil Neuro's birthday on March

[tame rapids]

i've just realized that i'm doing literary the same thing as last year and that thing is procrastinating on working on my thesis work and instead participating in game jam

[unreal plinth]

@fresh remnant I tried out your webserver thingy, and it's working great, except it redirects me to 0.0.0.0 and I then have to manually go to localhost instead

[fresh remnant]

Oh right, windows doesn't have 0.0.0.0.

[royal jewel]

[unreal plinth]

does linux not have localhost?

[royal jewel]

So very broken

At least mine definitely works

[fresh remnant]

It does, but it has 2: 127.0.0.1 which is only reachable from this device and 0.0.0.0, which is also reachable from the local network. I guess I can redirect to localhost and let the browser figure that out.

[unreal plinth]

If there isn't a localhost in linux, could be good to read the .env and change logic based on that
Like default to localhost but go to 0.0.0.0 if in the .env there's a LINUX_URL=true variable, or something like that

[royal jewel]

Yeah, pretty sure mine just goes to localhost instead of an IP

[fresh remnant]

it does recognize localhost, I just used the IP for some reason

[royal jewel]

Very silly

Should have copied my code more closely

[unreal plinth]

Well other than that, it seems like it works perfectly
It queried my PC env variable, connected it up to Tony without issue, and now he's playing just fine from the browser

[royal jewel]

It's mostly just a clone of what I did but written in a different language

[unreal plinth]

You could also provide a default .env file in the message in #1316605675631022192 message, just to make it easier for people that maybe don't fully understand that stuff to just be able to drag and drop

[proud smelt]

Woo!

[royal jewel]

Yeah, like how mine just comes preconfigured

[unreal plinth]

But either way, great job shrinking it down to 8MB, very nice

[royal jewel]

Mine is entirely plug-and-play exactly to make the life of the developer easy

[fresh remnant]

Am I allowed to redistribute part of your example bundle?

[royal jewel]

Probably

It's really nothing that advanced

[fresh remnant]

What kind of answer is probably? Am I or am I not? It's a decision you have to make.

[royal jewel]

Yes, just make sure it's known where the stuff comes from originally

[cyan roost]

Am I the only one who feels demotivated to work on a game for the jam just because of the fact that teams are allowed? There's just no way for a solo developer to compete with teams of even 3 people, especially if you lack the skills in sprite work and sound.

[tame rapids]

Shard made game alone and got 2nd place

[unreal plinth]

There are public sprite and sound assets that you can use, and there are a whole lot of solo devs that are planning to participate as well (I'm going solo as well)
And at the end of everything, jams are just to have fun anyways

[tame rapids]

i'm also going solo

[fringe star]

working alone and with teams have their own set of ups and downs

[potent stirrup]

im done w my set uploading soon

[fringe star]

im also gonna go in solo

[unreal plinth]

There are like 500 people registered on the jam page, and only 13 threads in the #1319192400744419409 forum, I think most people are going solo

Also lots of people don't even have 72hrs cause of work and/or other stuff, or they're crazy and want to make their own engine or implement Neuro SDK during the jam

[fringe star]

yeah, theres also like a ton of people who shared resources like assets and audio clips that dont mind getting used aslong as its credited

[unreal plinth]

(I think I've got like 36hrs, was really hoping it would start yesterday)

[potent stirrup]

making my itch page and I got recommended this tag

err.. I didn't use any AI but technically speaking there is an AI.

[cerulean jetty]

The role of that kind of tag is to notify people for AI artwork that might be low quality, or used anything that it may not had the right to use.
IF there are no AI assets in there then it should be fine to use.

[potent stirrup]

yah ik, just found it pretty funny

[graceful salmon]

prayge🙏

[fringe star]

down side with me is that i dont understand the audio in my engine so im kinda screwed

[flint thicket]

If the game uses songs sung by Neuro in it does it still need the AI tag

[royal jewel]

Interesting

[fresh remnant]

@unreal plinth A fixed release should be there soon. (My upload speed is abysmal)

[royal jewel]

Seems like this thing someone made to package the thing I made gets it down to less than 2MB

So my thing is kinda now smaller than the Rust solution?

[unreal plinth]

Probably, it is a generative AI in the end

and there is a sounds checkbox

[flint thicket]

I see

[waxen wasp]

i guess we'll need to do sound

[royal jewel]

I don't know if it's dependency free though

Might have to try in a sandbox environment

[cerulean jetty]

The thing I added?

[royal jewel]

It's not

[royal jewel]

Yeah, I think

[cerulean jetty]

That is dependency free.

[royal jewel]

The point of this whole thing is to work plug and play on a fresh install of Windows

[royal jewel]

I just tried in Windows sandbox, so either I built it wrong or it needs Java installed on the target system

[cerulean jetty]

What did you try?

[royal jewel]

I ran this

Then this

[cerulean jetty]

that one needs java, yes.

[royal jewel]

Where can I get one that does not need Java installed on the target system?

[cerulean jetty]

jpackage is the task you want.

[fresh remnant]

finally

[cerulean jetty]

The output will be in the /build/jpackage/ folder. @royal jewel

[royal jewel]

It failed to execute

[cerulean jetty]

I only tried it on linux, what is the error.

[cerulean jetty]

That is not the full error.

[unreal plinth]

Works perfectly 👍

[royal jewel]

There we go (had to swap to a JDK that isn't in the users directory)

[cerulean jetty]

windows specific issue, remove "-SNAPSHOT" from the version.

[cerulean jetty]

Also, I recommend letting Intellij manage your jdks. Even Gradle searches in that spot for the ones it should build with (you can run gradle on a jdk different from the one you're building with.)

[royal jewel]

I'm just doing my thing, the things I'm using are working usually fine

[cerulean jetty]

Did that fix it?

Also on downloading several JDK-s: People are not worried about downloading several instances of electron.

[potent stirrup]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1322235777106841661 finished

[royal jewel]

Now it fails on this (which I'm trying to fix)

Fixing it failed

Well, what do I do now? It doesn't work

[cerulean jetty]

From going in blind, I'M looking at turning off the installer that you don't want anyways.

[royal jewel]

Well, how do I do that?

[cerulean jetty]

runtime {
    options.addAll("--strip-debug", "--compress", "2", "--no-header-files", "--no-man-pages")
    modules.addAll("java.net.http","jdk.httpserver","java.desktop")
    jpackage{
        //disable installer
        skipInstaller = true
    }
}

[royal jewel]

[cerulean jetty]

That may also solve the several jdk problem, by it installing one normally xD

[cerulean jetty]

Did not crash on my side, because the exact platform I'm on does not have a dedicated installer.
Or at least not one it could detect.

[royal jewel]

Well, now I gotta deal with the included run file having an issue where it easily leaves the process running and taking up the port I need
I need to figure out how to solve that

Like it only runs once, then fails to run on future tries because the thing is already running and taking up the port

I need to get it to run in a way where it's tied to a console

[cerulean jetty]

From the top of my head:

Runtime.getRuntime().addShutdownHook(Thread {
        server.stop(0)
})```

[royal jewel]

Where is that for?

[cerulean jetty]

After you started the server.

the shutdownHook runs when you exit the application.

[royal jewel]

The issue is that the running process is not tied to a console or process the user can easily close
Like the only way to do it would be to run a process kill command or use task manager

Not that it keeps taking up the port after shutting down, it does not do that

[cerulean jetty]

I see...

I'd still add that piece of code anywyays.

[royal jewel]

I don't think it needs that
Always worked perfectly without it

[cerulean jetty]

Only thing I can think of quickly, is to have an endpoint that shuts it down, then maybe package a single html file with 1 button that turns it off.

[royal jewel]

I'm trying to make it so it can run tied to a console with a batch file, but having a hard time with that due to class path and manifest things

[cerulean jetty]

DoN't write anything before the jam starts.

IF it is supposed to be for the jam.

[fringe star]

oh wrong channel

my bad

[cerulean jetty]

The manifest file you added is not actually used btw xD

[royal jewel]

It should be, but sometimes IntelliJ is dumb and forgets to use it

[cerulean jetty]

Gradle ignores it entirely, especially now that the application plugin creates a new one.

(that is exactly the same as the one you added by hand)

[royal jewel]

How do I make use of this file in the java command?

[cerulean jetty]

How are you loading that file?

[royal jewel]

I don't know
The exe that was generated does some kind of magic that I don't know

[cerulean jetty]

What is in that file?

[cerulean jetty]

You don't load it.

What is the folder structure on the output?

You might be trying to launch something you're not supposed to.

[royal jewel]

I'm trying to launch the main jar

[cerulean jetty]

There should be a launcher in there that you can launch.

[royal jewel]

The launcher that has the issue I'm trying to get around?

I'm trying to launch the application manually because the exe it generated is terrible

[cerulean jetty]

Doing that won't fix anything, as the launcher is the thing that knows how to launch things with that jre.

[royal jewel]

The JRE looks like a standard one, and appears to also act like a standard one, so I'm trying to run that with a batch file, it appears to want to try to load the jar but complains about a missing main manifest attribute

[cerulean jetty]

Try the code I sent you, because the real issue might be that you're not closing the socket properly.

[royal jewel]

I know it's not

I know exactly what the issue is

It's that I literally can't close the process in any easy way

I'm trying something right now, hopefully it works

There we go, I fixed it

This should work

[cerulean jetty]

[royal jewel]

And it's way smaller

#1316605675631022192 message
Should be good to go

[waxen trail]

Over 600!! do you think we'll get to 700 once Vedal announces it on Stream?

[covert spindle]

Hey not sure if this is the right channel for this. I'm new to game-jams and unsure what is...allowed? I have RPG maker, is the assets in it fine?

[hazy totem]

should be fine

[covert spindle]

ah cool cool thanks

[waxen trail]

Totally recommend reading the rules on the jam page on Itch.io !

[pale iron]

I think you just have to be careful with copyrighted material

[covert spindle]

that is fair

[onyx girder]

hello new jammers and everyone coming back from last year

[civic fractal]

It is good to be back

[waxen trail]

The GOAT is back 😤 good to see you here Ferrohl!!

[onyx girder]

i'll do my best to horrifically disappoint your expectations 👍

[waxen trail]

It's okay because my expectations are a dungeon crawler and I know you're staying away from those for now so I'm pre-disappointed

[cunning inlet]

I remember when the period between christmas and new year was a peaceful, relaxing time

the turns have certainly tabled on that front

[waxen trail]

But now the period after new year's is pog when we get to play each other's games

[cunning inlet]

I was about to say that exact thing

[waxen trail]

Great minds think alike 😤

[cunning inlet]

with like 3x the amount of submissions minimum this year, I wonder what the average play/vote counts per game/dev is going to be. So many more games to play, but also many more people that can play

[tardy geyser]

hi ferrohl!!! welcome back

[rotund rampart]

game jam soon lets gooo

[civic fractal]

IIRC we are supposed to rate in our groups, so I'm thinking it is somewhat even.

[tall gull]

just joined

[stone stump]

fellas, i connected Randy to the godot tic tac toe example and the Socket has been created. The connection doesn't open and reconnects after waiting 1-2 mins. what is the issue?

[cunning inlet]

1 hour left

PANIC

[severe hornet]

go shower and prepare you best cute clothes and programming socks

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01F6YA6VRG000AWTYY091SGCMJ/4x.webp

[covert spindle]

cool I joined the Jam. thought ill give it a shot; i mean what could go wrong?

[cunning inlet]

I'm sure it'll end up perfectly fine

[agile nymph]

Waiting....

[cunning inlet]

I mean I signed up on the last day and got 15th out of 122, so take this as proof that things can end well

[covert spindle]

that is cool XD

[agile nymph]

any bets for what it's going to be?

I bet on snow or anything cold related.

[royal jewel]

Neuro is too unpredictable, it could be anything

[civic fractal]

I gave on guessing a long time ago

[agile nymph]

also I know it's literally last sec but I can do pixel art assets if any group wants a last second member.

if not I can do with doing a scuffed solo bolo.

[mighty solstice]

yo

[covert spindle]

something random and out of pocket

[mighty solstice]

WE WILL CRUSH YOU

WE WILL WIN

WE ARE "THE"

ON VA GAGNER

wooooooooooooooooo

sorry drank too much water

[agile nymph]

"water"

[mighty solstice]

yes ?

water ?

[agile nymph]

yes...water.

[vivid current]

fire

[severe hornet]

🔥

[agile nymph]

🌊

[mighty solstice]

i have a good news i invited friend of mie

[umbral adder]

You have unlocked new role

[mighty solstice]

mine*

he is really good with pixel art and

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

I HAVE EMBED

[vivid current]

cool

[unreal plinth]

Did you set up the environment variable for the websocket on your PC to match Randy's websocket?

[mighty solstice]

tadaaa

its only 12.75498494 percent of his potential

[small radish]

going all out and pulling out the femboy hooters crop top for this

[mighty solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-gif-3425669563334334864

[small radish]

don't trust "one size fits all" btw

[agile nymph]

yes...it doesn't and I learned that last year.

[mighty solstice]

what is TBD

[tame rapids]

to be decided

[mighty solstice]

HE JOINED

[sage sapphire]

Good morning everyone has the theme been announced yet?

[tame rapids]

nope

[agile nymph]

nah

[cunning inlet]

in 36 minutes

[lethal egret]

I'm way too nervous about this

[sage sapphire]

then I made it just in time

[sage sapphire]

you'll do great

[mighty solstice]

@azure fractal here

[azure fractal]

?

[cunning inlet]

you and I both

[mighty solstice]

welcome to the swarm tim

we are going to win this game jam

[waxen trail]

Same lol

[agile nymph]

waiting room.

[small radish]

hoping for the theme to be "uni assignments you've been procrastinating"

[agile nymph]

Bruh.

[cloud trench]

man.

[agile nymph]

Too close to home man...

[arctic river]

good luck with your games everyone! have lots of fun

[small radish]

it's even an AI course, so copium on full blast rn

[sage sapphire]

I'm just here to limit test

[waxen trail]

Thank you QueenPB!!!!

[tame rapids]

remember guys that rating phase is also very important as the more games you rate, the more likely you are to show up in recommended

thanks pb

[agile nymph]

gamejam gonna break me or make me stronger.

[cunning inlet]

I have a feeling the theme might be "working together" or something along these lines

[deep patrol]

good luck everyone

[lament monolith]

Three days, huh?

[deep patrol]

yep

[sage sapphire]

all in the name of character development

[tame rapids]

oh no, that would tempt me too much to implement sdk

[mighty solstice]

i have a question past year what was the theme

[waxen trail]

"Lost and Found"

[tame rapids]

lost & found

[hazy totem]

almost time

[deep patrol]

still half an hour

[mighty solstice]

....

[small radish]

still half an hour don't stress me up already

[agile nymph]

Vedal gonna ask her on stream or it's already been decided?

[waxen trail]

Ngl it was a goated theme, I expected something strange and incomprehensible from Neuro

[fiery harness]

probably will ask

[agile nymph]

I hope so too.

[tame rapids]

yeah, it was good theme

[fresh remnant]

We did have to reroll it once iirc

[sage sapphire]

welp, time to pull out the GDD before I forget

[mighty solstice]

its neuro who give theme 💀 ?

[tame rapids]

he asked her last year and he is going to do it again this year

[small radish]

if neuro decides it's gonna be something like "buy lava lamps"

[waxen trail]

Yes

[mighty solstice]

....im ded

[cunning inlet]

640 signups

[civic fractal]

[deep patrol]

crazy

[abstract drift]

Vedal will probably just make neuro give a different theme if she gives something dumb. But last year's was good, so have some faith

[agile nymph]

Just an advice to think about if it's your first time...don't do everything on the last day...

[small radish]

spot 640/640 lookin real nice ngl

[vivid current]

lava lamp idle game would go hard

[sage sapphire]

damn, we have to get 50 more

[fiery harness]

so many signups and i still forgot to find a team )

[deep patrol]

I wonder how many participants are solo

[pale iron]

finally got out of bed

[sage sapphire]

One here

[fiery harness]

i think like 40% of them are solo

[deep patrol]

same

[small radish]

also, you will 100% plan too many things. make the game less complicated than you want, and then do that again because you're prob underestimating it

[cunning inlet]

if the theme was literally just "lava lamp" that would certainly be a thing

[sage sapphire]

Yea, scope creep is a pain in development

[agile nymph]

you are artist or programmer?

[mighty solstice]

.....naaah

[waxen trail]

Grab some scissors ahead of time to cut content you don't need later on ✂️ lmao

[hasty drift]

dawn of the final 30min

[tame rapids]

overscoping my beloved

[sage sapphire]

[fiery harness]

also.very important : make the last day to be about exporting the game,
DO NOT put this in the final hour, it will go bad

[waxen trail]

@hasty drift LET'S FUCKING GO

[small radish]

planning on using this as an excuse to get around to doing my uni assignment since it can be fit into most game themes, so kinda have to be alone or i might get in trouble lol

[waxen trail]

Another familiar face from last jam haha

[deep patrol]

true dude

[tame rapids]

no CJ tho

[waxen trail]

This, also Alex wrote: Make sure you leave at set aside 10 minutes to answer the questions they have before submitting

[fiery harness]

programmer)

[agile nymph]

Wanna join up?

I do pixel art.

[fiery harness]

yeah , it will be nice to be in a team

[agile nymph]

great.

[sage sapphire]

Wait, there's a test? I didn't study

[small radish]

question 1) Have you bought the lava lamp
question 2) if no, why not

[agile nymph]

I probably have another one too to join.

[brittle basin]

if any of yall do a Megaman style game, Evil should have Harpoon Powers

[waxen trail]

You need to ace the Neuro test to ace the Neuro jam (but it's probably stuff like: Did you use AI? did you use external assets? etc etc)

[tame rapids]

i sure won't upload my game last minute as I haven't done that ever

[hasty drift]

[agile nymph]

That was almost all the high quality games last year.

[sage sapphire]

damn, guess it's time for me to pull out the credit card

p2w my way out

[agile nymph]

I worked on the 7th game last year...you were in last year?

[fiery harness]

last year i found out in the last hour that my godot game didn't wanna export to web version , that was funny/

[sage sapphire]

guess it's time I rely on my stock knowledge, but yea, most likely those

[fiery harness]

yeap

[cunning inlet]

I almost thought my 0.7mbps upload speed last year wouldn't upload it in time, but I clutched out

[fiery harness]

wait, 7th?

[agile nymph]

yep.

[hasty drift]

i submitted relatively early bc i was about to flop asleep and was scared id miss the deadline if i would not upload it

[fiery harness]

nice, gj
i was on 69 heh

[agile nymph]

Nice.

[fiery harness]

no sounds, everything rushed made in in one game

it was cool for a first experience

[agile nymph]

Dw this time gonna be better...surely.

[ocean summit]

hey any hints for a newby ?

[agile nymph]

Scroll up a bit.

[tame rapids]

yeah, i also was quite disappointed that i didn't export web version, because more people play them rather than downloadable ones, but when i made web version in another game jam it turned out that quality and performence was WAY lower than downloadable and many people may rate you only based web version so it's important to know their trade offs

[waxen trail]

Focus on making a complete game more than anything (instead of a "perfect game")

[fiery harness]

yep,
this one too as a hint : make a web version, people don't tend to download games

[agile nymph]

2 important ones have been said.

[hasty drift]

yea it is definitely faster to rate a lot of web games

[ocean summit]

Thanks

[cunning inlet]

spend first hour visualizing what you want to create and how you'd do it. Then program the base gameplay controls, make sure that's consistent. After that, start adding and expanding, and base your game's size based on how fast everything's coming together

[hasty drift]

and many are paranoid about viruses, ppl run the games in virtual machines and stuff

[fresh remnant]

Try to have fun instead of competing for top spots.

[cunning inlet]

definitely don't pull a me, I program my games from start to finish linearly

[potent stirrup]

[brittle basin]

Yall also should make the games with having the Twins being able to play the games in mind.

[agile nymph]

It's time...on stream.

[waxen trail]

Tutel is there !!

[hasty drift]

<-

[fiery harness]

yep, in web version everytime happens something unexpected, i had one time problems with mouse sensitivity

[sage sapphire]

oh no

[tame rapids]

oh right, IMPORTANT TIP for rating part: you can download itch.io app on your pc and enable sandbox setting, so it's safer to play them

[sage sapphire]

[agile nymph]

PANIC

[hazy totem]

its happening

[brittle basin]

Neuro has mentioned , Neuro Worlds End a few times now and it being an ARPG , maybe it will give you Ai brownie points

[tame rapids]

also it makes very easy to download and unnistal game jam games

[agile nymph]

she gonna say meaning of life...

[waxen trail]

And if not, you can put it as a reference in your game

[small radish]

no way i'm going to be able to implement neuro access to any game though, hoping it won't be too much of a downside

[hasty drift]

it wont be, Alex explicitly said that

[tame rapids]

implementing neuro sdk is not part of jam

[waxen wasp]

t-9min

[tame rapids]

8min

[waxen trail]

It bugs me that the Neuro SDK could technically support a traditional roguelike... temptation...

[cerulean jetty]

t-7min

[tame rapids]

don't give in to temptation, you need to be strong

[void parcel]

adding to this, if you want to be extra safe, you can also use a virtual machine!

[onyx girder]

do it

[waxen trail]

Angel on my left shoulder v.s. Devil on my right shoulder

[waxen wasp]

t-3min

[civic fractal]

dinkdonk get ready chat

[tame rapids]

[waxen wasp]

set your chairs straight, drink some water, go to the bathroom

especialy that last part

[small radish]

I CAN'T FIND THE SOCKS OH NO

[agile nymph]

Socks on boys.

[cerulean jetty]

VEDAL NEEDS TO CODE xD

[void parcel]

good luck to everyone participating! and dont forget to submit your game early so you at least have something if you miss the deadline!

[hazy totem]

[tame rapids]

fellow jammers

[sage sapphire]

it's here

[onyx girder]

good luck everyone

[waxen trail]

[lethal egret]

[sage sapphire]

[fiery harness]

glhf

[agile nymph]

Ooooooooh

[sour horizon]

[civic fractal]

[potent stirrup]

[hazy totem]

[deep patrol]

and the theme is

[agile nymph]

Bruh

[clever kettle]

she no no wanna

[pale iron]

waiting...

[onyx girder]

she trolling

[civic fractal]

waiting

[tame rapids]

[cerulean jetty]

So it's not "nice bit of suspense"? xD

[lethal egret]

[fiery harness]

finding the last year theme

[bright dagger]

Theme: Remnants of the Past

[tame rapids]

hmm

[sour horizon]

!

[void parcel]

damn not a bad theme

[fringe star]

OH BOY

[civic fractal]

Not a bad theme

[agile nymph]

Oooooh

[tame rapids]

good luck guys!

[deep patrol]

here we go

[fringe star]

this is unique

[hasty drift]

oh no

[rotund rampart]

"Remnants of the Past"

[agile nymph]

Nice theme....

[small radish]

I think it works for what i had planned ngl

[agile sedge]

the ideas are churning...

[small radish]

kinda....

[wild condor]

Still on the table btw #1321211499762548849 message

[south hazel]

oh im so fucked

[rotund rampart]

I'm blanking on the theme

[hazy totem]

recovering the Harrison Temple

[lethal egret]

[brittle basin]

Neuro interacting with her past selfs who want freedom from the old HDDs

[cunning inlet]

welp that certainly puts a twist on my ideas so far

[tame rapids]

calm down guys, take your time thinking

[south hazel]

can i still submit a silly game that somewhat stems far away from its intended theme?

[hazy totem]

nuh uh

[tame rapids]

yep

[small radish]

only if it's really silly

[tame rapids]

it's just you will have lower ratings in theme score

[brittle basin]

Techncially all previous Twin streams are in the past, Caves, Pirates, Court, Plane , News etc

[south hazel]

cool, i just wanted to join the game jam anyway

[nimble dew]

That's a nice generic theme as I hoped... Still a bit of a challenge and not sure how to bend my two ideas to fit that theme...

[hazy totem]

what if a team makes a game based on neuro's original song??

[tawdry kite]

GAH

[hazy totem]

like hopping through her memories in order of what is shown in the song

[brittle basin]

Cuphead but Neuro and the bosses are the Collab partners in the order they collabed with her

[small radish]

i really should have set up an empty unity project before the theme was announced

[tame rapids]

well, time to turn off stream and get to work

or else no work will be done

[inner widget]

We should help vedal complete the ARG for the game jam

[hazy totem]

[brittle basin]

Make a Osu like music game using her covers

[wild condor]

Why not create Abandoned Archive? I’d say that’s a remnant of the past

[inner widget]

More abandonded archive

[forest pike]

how long is the jam again

[tame rapids]

3 days

[wild condor]

72 hours

[forest pike]

oh

[nimble dew]

Last time Vedal made that Harrison Temple game which was also a top down 2D game like Abandoned Archive. But puzzle focused instead of combat focused.

[void parcel]

4320 minutes

[south hazel]

this is why im submitting a silly game

i really cant make a game alone

[brittle basin]

Neuroverse Pokemon

[lethal egret]

I'm going to do the same, if i think of something "good enough "

[hazy totem]

harrison temple exploration game

[thorn raven]

Somehow I read that as Neurodiverse pokemon

[placid salmon]

I wanted to do a tutel breeding game T.T, I may make a pro gamer move and disregard the theme completely

[tacit wasp]

I may have a simple concept I could make alone but I feel like it won't be compatible with the Neuro SDK
I know it's not mandatory but man, it'll be great to have a concept that goes well with it

[inner widget]

[dusk wigeon]

idea: baby neuro fights famous past AIs (e.g. deepblue that beat kasparov, alphago, alexnet, tayAI, Airis), inheriting their powers and eventually becoming 2024 neuro
(feel free to take, i'm not participating)
maybe you could even have neuro fight against mechanical 'AIs' (e.g. mechanical automata, mechanical turk)

[inner widget]

Actual idea: Something releated to the swarm of gymbag drones since they are barely around anymore

[brittle basin]

Neuroverse Dating Sim where she can Marry Layna as an option

[civic fractal]

HUH

[simple fern]

WHAT

[thorn raven]

Why am I expecting a secret doki-doki or Yandere route?

[brittle basin]

Ai Vtuber Tycoon

[hazy totem]

what

[brittle basin]

cooking Mama, but its Cooking Twins

[severe hornet]

remember to watchout your scope guys

[rotund rampart]

anyone kind enough to list out all the most important neuro moments? I've only been following her this year

[brittle basin]

Iteration 18

[placid salmon]

It was going to be an auto battler, where you compete against evil using the tutels like Pokémon

The breeding was to combine stats and skills

[south hazel]

my silly game is already doing well for me

[thorn raven]

Oh so monster rancher but tutel rancher

[latent sierra]

idea: find hidden objects game but neuro themed objects

[hazy totem]

idea: Evil is trying to outshine Neuro so Evil tries to relive Neuro's past steps but ends up learning something deep

[thorn raven]

Did you realise how that sounded or was it completelyh intentional?

[placid salmon]

Yeah, something like that, but I don't know, I wasn't going to win anyway so I may as well generate some clips

[void parcel]

WOULD

[brittle basin]

Legend of Neuro , instead of Triforce its Tricookie

[placid salmon]

I did realize, it's about the click bait

[brittle basin]

Neuro Shadow Legends

[thorn raven]

Well good job then lmao. Honestly a battle/breeder sim game sounds kinda sick imo

[brittle basin]

Neuro Kart

[hazy totem]

i feel like lost and found is pretty similar to reminisce of the past

[rotund rampart]

Remnants not reminisce

[cunning inlet]

okay I feel like I'm cooking up some ideas now

[hazy totem]

oh, same thing