2024-game-jam

[cerulean jetty]

Meh, if I export for windows then might as well export for linux too.

[worldly sinew]

i doubt theres much linux users here

[cerulean jetty]

#1: it literally does not cost anything more than 1 click.
#2: we talk about this server.
#3: I don't care.

[waxen wasp]

there are a decent number of linux users here

[civic fractal]

#2 is a very valid point

[worldly sinew]

i dont understand what #2 means

1 and 3 are valid

[cerulean jetty]

This server at best is a mix of weebs and software developers.

And various combinations of both.

[worldly sinew]

im both

[civic fractal]

Some memers, but almost everyone has a hand in either or just comfortable with tech.

[worldly sinew]

im always uncomfortable w tech, even though its my hobby and job (when im actually working)

[civic fractal]

I'm personally too comfortable, that's why I use linux

[cerulean jetty]

My problem is that I'm writing my own tech when all else fails.

[waxen wasp]

especially this channel and #programming has a lot devs

[worldly sinew]

im a masochist, thats why i use linux

i had to reinstall my os once because i forgot to add a root account

then again as i forgot my root password

so now i just use my normal account as root

[cerulean jetty]

I never had any meaningful issues with any of my PCs or laptops after like 1 year.

[worldly sinew]

i once broke an acer laptop by hitting ctrl key too hard

killed the whole laptop

dont buy acer

pro tip

my own profile kills my laptops speed

jesus

what do you guys think the Jams gonna be about

[cerulean jetty]

Neuro chose last year, right?

[civic fractal]

We are talking about whatever Neuro says, literally anything

[worldly sinew]

ok then what do you want it to be

[civic fractal]

Nothing in mind as long as we can use 3d.

[worldly sinew]

why 3d?

2d is quicker

which makes sure you dont go above the deadline

[waxen wasp]

ye but we have this

we'll ofcourse be using diffrent 3D models, but the engine will be the same

although i think ill keep the tutel 3D model, it is public after-all

[worldly sinew]

bright

very bright

[worldly sinew]

your allowed to start the project beforehand?

[waxen wasp]

While you can use pre-existing code or assets, refrain from writing code or creating assets specifically for this jam in advance unless you are releasing an asset pack for everyone to use. Remember that the point of the game jam is for you to create your entire project within the 72 hours period.
Feel free to utilize pre-made, publicly available, or purchased assets, as long as you have a license for them and proper credit is given as necessary. 

this game-engine was not made specifically for this game-jam, and has been in the works since even before the previous game-jam

and i mean, if people want to make 3D games they can always use unity

[worldly sinew]

ah okay.

[worldly sinew]

does unity still have the pay every game download rule?

[waxen wasp]

i believe it doesnt

[worldly sinew]

give me a second

Unity cancelled it

[waxen wasp]

but even if it did that wouldn't apply here as that is for games of as certain size

[cerulean jetty]

2D is usually quicker because the assets are easy to edit.

[worldly sinew]

according to the worst search engine, google.

[worldly sinew]

my point exactly.

[cerulean jetty]

But I don't have an issue in either department. 😛

[worldly sinew]

bro tried : P and was bested by discords useless features

[waxen wasp]

:P

[cerulean jetty]

I present you with gamejam ready gun I assembled since you answered.

[worldly sinew]

EU only

also i do not care if you can make 3d models in 5 minutes

very dumb flex

and doesnt make you a better person then everyone else.

[cerulean jetty]

I wanted to import this into factorio, but I decided that it won't fit.

[cerulean jetty]

IF that is your view on me having fun with it, then sure.

[nimble dew]

Quick modelling sure comes in handy in a short game jam.
I'm still not used to the new Blender versions. I used to be really good with the ones from like 10 years ago...

[waxen wasp]

what did NA, SA, africa and asia do to you?

[cerulean jetty]

I have exactly 0 clue, as I'm also EU.

[worldly sinew]

i was making a joke about no guns in the eu just forgot to add the sentence in,

[nimble dew]

Anyone else planned way too much ahead?
inb4 Neuro throws all of that away by make a very incompatible theme 😄

[cerulean jetty]

Meh.

[worldly sinew]

ive planned ahead. just havent coded in forever

im gonna do neuro gambling

until neuro says smth like horse on a skateboard with a dinosaur hat

[waxen wasp]

i have planned a lot ahead, but mainly just systemical thing about how i would implement certain things

[worldly sinew]

ive made an idea visualised sprites in my head (i cant do art) made a semi story

not added code though

[waxen wasp]

for example, im allowed to fix bugs on the game engine cuz that's not game-jam focused. but adding a 2D shader for UI would not be allowed as that is something that I'd be making for the game-jam

[worldly sinew]

i dont have my own game engine lol

im gonna make a engine and a game in 3 days

thats if i remember too.

[obtuse gorge]

Hello Game jammers I hope everything is going well
I brought Milk and Cookies

🥛🍪 🍪 🍪 🍪

[waxen wasp]

just use unity at this point

[worldly sinew]

my laptop cant support 3d games.

so i cant

unless unity has 2d

idk i use gamemaker

[waxen wasp]

get out, i dont tolerate lactose intolerant people (this is a joke)

[cerulean jetty]

Also note that I can export those models as 2D sprites.

With all rotations in an isometric view.

[worldly sinew]

but does it have a linux port?

[waxen wasp]

idk

[cerulean jetty]

As far as I'm aware Unity still uses 3D for 2D, and I don't think it's good on linux. Nor on PotatOS computers.

[worldly sinew]

bros kidnapped

[worldly sinew]

anything w a lot of 3d models that need shading etc it cant handle

unity doesnt even download for me

[cerulean jetty]

Don't even try it.

[royal jewel]

Alex (I assume it was Alex who added this here)

[cerulean jetty]

where is that?

[royal jewel]

The Neuro Unity game SDK thing

[cerulean jetty]

oh unity. Never mind xD

[royal jewel]

The bundler should work for any game engine as long as it can compile to web

[cerulean jetty]

Is that environment variable a requirement for configuration?

[hasty drift]

for people like me, this makes it possible to connect the websocket connection when one exports their project for web?

[cerulean jetty]

If I export to desktop then I need to read that to connect?

[royal jewel]

Well, yeah, just implement the GET call to the endpoint and bundle with my bundler

[royal jewel]

On desktop you can read it natively

On web it needs help

[cerulean jetty]

I know, I'm just trying to find that detail in the docs. 😅

[hasty drift]

will have to read the readme and stuff later

[royal jewel]

It's the most convenient way to configure since nothing has to be specified manually on Vedal's end

[cerulean jetty]

I'm not questioning it, it is a good way I'm just looking through the docs to see where it is mentioned xD

[royal jewel]

Oh, ok then

[cerulean jetty]

Found it.

[royal jewel]

[worldly sinew]

a

guys

umm

[waxen wasp]

ye?

[worldly sinew]

how do you make wine use your files

it wont let me find my downloads

[cerulean jetty]

What are you trying to do?

[worldly sinew]

im trying to put an image into gamemaker for windows

it wont let me see it or find it at all

wrong channel oops

[merry lava]

I've never participated in a game jam before, so you can call me : is there some kind of way to find teammates? Being an okay general programmer, I don't think I can create a whole game from scratch especially I've never done anything game dev before

[proud smelt]

Can we ask the mods to make a forum specifically to ask for people or look for groups?
That way each request is a new post and people can delete them as they get into a group or find someone to join em.

[waxen wasp]

i think that would be a good idea ye

[proven orchid]

Yep, also looking forward to participate in my first game jam (as an artist)

[civic fractal]

You got quite a bit of choice if you want to find a teamate, artists are pretty rare in the chat room atm

[fleet goblet]

Thats what i was thinking as well

it's better than using a thread

@bright dagger

[bright dagger]

that's a good thought, i'll work on it

[hazy totem]

just make a spreadsheet

[quaint flicker]

If anyone is looking for the dude who draw for the group let me know

[hazy totem]

Lorx

you guys better get lorx asap, lorx a great artist

lorx made jacked Vedal

[gentle saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/gfl2-suomi-smile-hello-gif-979361622061719636

[bright dagger]

done, if i misunderstood the goal of the forum then let me know, otherwise there ya go

[gentle saddle]

@quaint flicker I would be really grateful if you join my dumbass team of two people who don’t know a lick of coding

https://tenor.com/view/gfl-gfl2-suomi-gif-5927541470036042616

Tbh idk if I would join myself lolz

We will see

[south hazel]

i have unfinished games that are really low quality but has neuro sprite (wolf rpg maker)

would that count in game jam?

[gentle saddle]

Idk you could use only the assets ig

[cerulean jetty]

That sounds like something usable.

[fringe hare]

I know how to use a little godot but I don’t know if that helps

[worldly sinew]

Has the topic been announced ye

Yet*

[weary light]

the topic will be announced last minute by neuro

[cinder sand]

more like first minute

[hazy totem]

Neuro will announce at the start of the gamejam

So the 26th I g

[worldly sinew]

What timezone?

[waxen wasp]

27th, 7pm british time

Iirc

It seems like they still havent updated the itch page to say 27th

Alex, fix your stuff

[worldly sinew]

vedals british?

[waxen wasp]

Yes

[worldly sinew]

I cant even recognise my own countrys accents

Im hella tone death smh

Deaf*

[waxen wasp]

I guess you dont notice things you're used to

[nimble dew]

His accent is most of the time not that noticeable. I think, but I'm not that good with accents.

[worldly sinew]

I cant tell the difference between americans and canadians accent wise

[waxen wasp]

I cant

[nimble dew]

Canadians often have "ey" at the end 😉 Otherwise I can't tell the difference either

[worldly sinew]

No they dont

i know a few canadians

never been to america, dont say ey

Some probably do but i wouldnt say most

Scottish people also add Ay sometimes.

[waxen wasp]

English is my 3rd language, so i just seperate them as "i can understand this" and "giberish"

Not per accent

[worldly sinew]

English is my first and only language because i cannot focus hard enough to learn more languages

[waxen wasp]

English debuff

[worldly sinew]

I do want to learn a Cyrrlic language and Japanese

[waxen wasp]

[worldly sinew]

I hate this stereotype ngl

that being english automatically means you cant learn other languagez

[nimble dew]

Sounds more like a french thing 😉

[waxen wasp]

Its true tho, not really a stereotype.
Im not saying you cant, im saying english people have no need to learn a new language so most dont. Same with the french indeed

[worldly sinew]

English people do have a need

To get out of these kinda trash countries

or to be smarter

[nimble dew]

The French really should learn english. It kinda makes sense for the UK and such (there not being a big reason to learn a specific other language). In the USA you might have a lot of spanish speakers so maybe there is a good reason to learn that.

[empty hazel]

I mean I use eh, but rarely

[worldly sinew]

anyways

So are you guys doing 2d or 3d games?

[nimble dew]

The last game jam was like 90% 2D I think. Didn't count though.

[empty hazel]

Idk whether I should try making something myself or joining a team

[worldly sinew]

2d is quicker for most ppl

[waxen wasp]

I did 3D last time, and im doing 3D again

[worldly sinew]

Joining a team makes it easier

Thjs gamejam is gonna be my first one ever.

[empty hazel]

It's gonna be my first neuro gamejam but I've done a dozen game jams before

[nimble dew]

I kinda feel I'm probably more efficient on my own compared to joining a random team. Maybe one would be faster if you already know each other and can work well together. Also when I work alone I can't ruin a team project if it doesn't go well 😉

[empty hazel]

^ me

[worldly sinew]

im not efficient either way

Ive never made a full game before

[empty hazel]

I hate working on things alone but I hate poor cooperation or letting down others more than I hate working alone

[worldly sinew]

i like working alone

[nimble dew]

Yesterday I was already raging pretty hard at Unity and C#... Got that issue resolved though. If something like that issue would happen during the game jam I might abort it. Rage quit so to say.

[worldly sinew]

i wish unity worked for me

I might need to use ubuntu to make it work

[empty hazel]

Out of sheer curiousity did anyone made a game with penguin rights, lol.

[worldly sinew]

Penguins have rights?

[waxen wasp]

I dont think so, but we should indeed be focussing on pengiun rights

[nimble dew]

👀 Not yet.
write down penguin rights reference idea 😉

[worldly sinew]

What is penguin rights

[empty hazel]

Evil ranted about it once

[nimble dew]

I have 500 lines of specific neuro game jam ideas written down now... plus general game ideas and some just in my head.

[worldly sinew]

o

[empty hazel]

Cool, like 2/3rds of the gamejams I try participating in I end up making nothing for because I can't come up with any cool or interesting game ideas within the theme

[worldly sinew]

Verticle monitor user?

[empty hazel]

Thats why of like 30 game jams I only made like 10 games

[worldly sinew]

out of 0 game jams i have made .2 games

[nimble dew]

Yeah the theme is a big question mark of course but it's probably another vague story thing and my idea is mostly gameplay.

[nimble dew]

No just a cropped screenshot with very zoomed out text (10%)

[empty hazel]

Yeah I tend towards simple game mechanic or short story focused games since I'm no artist

[worldly sinew]

im going to try make a choice driven ztory game in whatever game engjne actually works for once

[nimble dew]

? That sounds like a contradiction. If you are more of a programmer, wouldn't you focus more on gameplay and less on art and story?

[worldly sinew]

I usually just recreate my existing template that i always use for art (or pokemon overworld sprites)

[worldly sinew]

Programmers can be creative w story

otherwise we wouldnt have good indie story driven games

[nimble dew]

I'm a programmer and so not a writer 😉 Also I don't like walls of texts so I'll focus on gameplay.

[worldly sinew]

I like walls of text sometimes

[empty hazel]

Would def be cool to implement the neuro sdk, guess thats a stretch goal if you can make an ok game

[nimble dew]

Imagine Neuro really hating your game like she hated Buckshot Roulette 👀
I wonder what was up with that.

[worldly sinew]

Neuro support (if your game is requested) will probably be given a longer deadline

[worldly sinew]

Imagine ai thinks your game is garbage

not even sapient

still hates it

[nimble dew]

I kinda feel the integration was just bad in that case. Maybe she tried to give commands way too often and got error messages most of the time.
I think we really lack some important information about such things in regard to making a game that is well playable for Neuro.

[worldly sinew]

its most likely the support being made quickly

Or neuro not knowing to wait between commands

[fast bronze]

I should join fr

(I’m desperate)

[verbal timber]

I just saw this. I need to get into my first game jam

[verbal timber]

I wanna be a writer tho

[lapis meadow]

Neuro says include an easter egg of her

[waxen wasp]

okay

[merry lava]

[misty tree]

"the theme of the game jam is advertising, better start submitting" -Neuro who never lies and should definitely be believed immediately

[turbid ledge]

Kinda wanna join but I got no time

[verbal timber]

was that all she said for the game jam?

[misty tree]

Dont worry bout that, it's not to be taken seriously haha

[verbal timber]

oh okay lol

I'm just really excited to finally do a game jam after looking for one for 6 months

[misty tree]

Hes waiting till the game jam starts to announce theme so people dont start making their games early

[verbal timber]

ohh ok

[misty tree]

writer eh

[verbal timber]

yeah I can't do art or programming

[misty tree]

Hmm the thing that I'm not sure about there is that without knowing what kinda game will be made, I dont actually know if there will be any writing lol

[burnt stratus]

I'm tempted to join but I'm so out of practice for programming lol

[misty tree]

I'd hate to offer you a spot and then end up not needing it

[verbal timber]

That's okay honestly it's not like I can only do narrative

just simple stuff like character dialogue I can do

[misty tree]

Hmm ok I guess I do want there to be dialogue, to make use of some sprites I have

[verbal timber]

yeah, and I can do any amount of lore too

something like "this NPC was once a honored soldier but is now a homeless druggy"

[radiant moat]

Last time i participated in a game jam was pretty painful and in a team of 6, these are solo games primarily i imagine?

[waxen wasp]

yes, im pretty sure they're mostly solo

although there are a decent number of 2-3 person teams

[radiant moat]

Hmm i am unemployed so it might be fun to participate ill wait for the details closer to the date i suppose

[naive walrus]

And then there were our team of 12 year ago

[civic fractal]

That must have sucked to manage

[waxen wasp]

what game did yall make?

[naive walrus]

Neuroshock

[waxen wasp]

oh the UE game

[radiant moat]

I dont think id want to do it alone but the more i think about it i think it might be fun, i am waiting on some interview responses, do you think people will still be looking for groups next week?

[waxen wasp]

ye

[naive walrus]

It wasn’t bad at all. At leat I had a great time and I think others did too. The were a couple people who did mainly managing the work and such.

[naive walrus]

Yea that one

[waxen wasp]

since the game-jam got mentioned on stream an hour ago, there have been 75 people that joined

this was at about 150 earlier today

[civic fractal]

I forgot to join, erm

[waxen wasp]

[radiant moat]

Do i click if im not sure yet?

I dont know itch.io etiquette i guess

[waxen wasp]

you can always leave so it should be fine, idk itch etiquette too tho

[naive walrus]

I don’t really remember but isn’t only 50% of joiners submitted a game last time?

[empty hazel]

yeah its more-so just showing interest

[waxen wasp]

[radiant moat]

Joined then

[waxen wasp]

also, the teams only submit on one account

[radiant moat]

When im sure im still unemployed ill proceed with it i suppose

[civic fractal]

[waxen wasp]

i love how there are 4 collections with every game in last years jam in it

[civic fractal]

We love the 4 game jam folders

[waxen wasp]

the game-engine test has reached 838 7d impressions in one day

the hell

[misty tree]

👀

[civic fractal]

Thats huge

[slate mist]

hi there, can I recruit game jam mate here?

[civic fractal]

the thread below is better but ig

[civic fractal]

#1319192400744419409

[slate mist]

thx

[torpid bridge]

Still looking for a team guys https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1319293211797225564

[waxen wasp]

i guess there are people making new posts instead of going into other peoples posts to recriut them

the problem is that there's nobody taking initiative then

[torpid bridge]

That's the problem

I need to join a team that wants my type of art

But no one is taking the initiative to actually ask me or ask in a post for that type of art

This was the case last year when I unfortunately was stuck in a group with 2 other people

Someone posted 2 hours after me and got more notes than me

[radiant moat]

I talked earlier and i will wait until next week to join a group but generally the style of art is not known till a concrete idea for the game is formed with the theme in mind no?

[torpid bridge]

Yeah but people are already asking for a certain type of style already

[radiant moat]

Hm well from my experience in my last and only game jam there were so many ideas the style of art woulda been different each time

[radiant moat]

I guess it might be different here where we already know it will be somewhat neuro based

[torpid bridge]

But it feels like people who posted after me are getting more comments than me when they are posting the exact same thing I'm doing

[radiant moat]

I mean haycoat your post is great but you just sound desperate in the replies just delete those and let the post breathe

( @torpid bridge forgot the tag sorry)

[civic fractal]

It is sad to hear, I would offer but between our team we got enough artists.

[torpid bridge]

Nevermind I think I found someone

[radiant moat]

Good luck!

[waxen wasp]

goodluck

[gentle saddle]

Uhhh I fr drop out of the game jam due to personal reasons lolz

So good luck

[west sparrow]

has vedal announced what theme is the game is? this my first game jam

[waxen wasp]

theme gets announced at the start of the game-jam

[west sparrow]

oh i see thanks

[elder storm]

wait a minute there's a game jam

[abstract drift]

Yep! Starts on the 27th though

[elder storm]

hmm

welp I make games without game engines so this'll be fun

[civic fractal]

Custom game engine spotted!

Welcome!

[elder storm]

I use c++ and whatever high level version of opengl I can find

[civic fractal]

Our group is doing python and opengl, though we already got a base

[elder storm]

ye it's fine I like solo game dev

luckily this game jam is like half a week before school starts

[civic fractal]

Best of luck to you, I ended up doing a Terminal game last year

[elder storm]

are these game jams like regular things?

[civic fractal]

Last one was on the previous subathon so nope

[elder storm]

so it's like yearly or smth?

[abstract drift]

Assuming the subathons continue being yearly things, probably

[civic fractal]

I's assuming so ^

[abstract drift]

But I mean twice is a pattern so we're probably locked into it

[elder storm]

I thought this channel was for random ppl to post their game progress on whatever game they're tryna make :/

[civic fractal]

Yeah, I was going to go in with terminal stuff again this year but decided to join up with the only other person doing python. Seems like a lot more fun to actually have a shot at the game being played.

[abstract drift]

That would probably be #programming ? Not sure

[civic fractal]

#programming is the best channel, but it is mostly to invidual threads in #1095948590947500113

I only know of one get of game updates in programming

[abstract drift]

I mean forum threads would mostly be for neuro related games, not just generally, right?

[civic fractal]

I'd guess so?

#programming allows it, just that it doesn't exactly happen

[waxen wasp]

hi , that other person would be me

im currently trying (and failing) to add lighting to the shaders

[sly vapor]

o hey I didn't know we got game jams in here!

[waxen wasp]

it hasn't started yet, begins 27th

[runic gate]

Aaaa let's see if I can actually complete a project this time. Unlike my github graveyard of scrapped projects that started with lots of motivation and got demotivated at a violent velocity...

[cerulean jetty]

It will be used for that, once the jam starts.

[slow meteor]

unfortunatley progress is disallowed at the moment

[slate mist]

happy

[proud pike]

I've finally chosen to solo dev

Lord have mercy on my sleep schedule

[civic fractal]

I soloed last jam, engine and all. Yeah that was a disaster, I give you the best of luck

[lament ermine]

Wait a second I think I remember you

[civic fractal]

3 people did custom engines last jam

[lament ermine]

Hmm I remember someone saying they were going to make their own engine for it

[civic fractal]

Might have been Sam, who I'm honored to work with this year

They did a 3d pygame last year

[lament ermine]

Our team is currently 7 members

[civic fractal]

HOLY

[lament ermine]

We might be looking for two more

Three of us were from neuroshovk

[civic fractal]

Neuroshock was an amazing game

[lament ermine]

We got Lorx, and I'm not familiar with the rest

[lament ermine]

Thank you :D

[civic fractal]

I'm the dev who did Mod for Evil

[lament ermine]

I did the 3D models, tho only the spider model got in

Hmm, lemme look that up

Aww no screenshots

[civic fractal]

Yeah, kind rushed it

[lament ermine]

I see, I see

[civic fractal]

At least I slept that last night

[lament ermine]

Are you confident this time around?

[civic fractal]

With a partner defently

[lament ermine]

:D

[proud pike]

Artists or devs?

[lament ermine]

Neither, we have plenty of those

[proud pike]

Ah what cha looking for then?

[civic fractal]

Probably music/va as they are in short supply

[lament ermine]

We're thinking maybe a writer and maybe a manager

But haven't yet decided yet since our team is already big

[lament ermine]

We have 2 of those

[proud pike]

I'd offer my voice for VA but my dumb accent would be the downfall lmao

[civic fractal]

I'd recommend a manager for a team that large

[lament ermine]

Sound designers, not va

[civic fractal]

I'm doing VA for our team, got someone else doing music

[proud pike]

I can manage if you need someone. I'd rather manage a team than solo dev.

[lament ermine]

Hmm, I will keep that in mind. Waiting on the rest of the team to vote

[proud pike]

No prob

[civic fractal]

Got a question for you guys, large team and all. Are you considering using the neuro/evil RVC?

[lament ermine]

RVC? You mean the api thing?

We are designing our game to playable by neuro

But won't necessarily implement that during the game jam itself

[proud pike]

RVC is voice conversion no?

[civic fractal]

#1316605675631022192 message

Nope, a diffrent tool. A voice changer of sorts

[lament ermine]

Oh, I see

[civic fractal]

superbox has an open guide on how to use them

[proud pike]

That's sick

[lament ermine]

I haven't thought of them

I think we might use them

[civic fractal]

luckily you don't need a va as you can generate the base

convert over to either twin

[lament ermine]

What's the quality like?

I know last time one of our team members had a working neuro voice for the cut scene

I don't know the details of that

[civic fractal]

There's a cover listed there if you want to take a listen. Made from that model granted a lot of care went into it.

Let me grab a test I asked him to do in programming

[lament ermine]

Imma check it out then

[civic fractal]

granted that won't be synth

I did actually voice it

[slow meteor]

that would be sick to have for all type of games

[lament ermine]

Yea agreed

I checked it out and it seems promising

[civic fractal]

There it is, ignore the bad singing attempt

[lament ermine]

Oh wait

I can upload the models I didn't get a chance to use before

[civic fractal]

[lament ermine]

Hmm, Im thinking it's going to be a nice to have feature

Because we can do text with beeps and boops, and it mostly works

Maybe we use it in important moments

[civic fractal]

That is very true, I just wanted to bring this up as an option

[lament ermine]

Depends on how much work is involved in adding each voiceline

[lament ermine]

Thank you

[civic fractal]

Granted I'm trying to learn and automate it currently, it is medium to hard diffuculty. I'm trying to bring that down by said automation.

[lament ermine]

Oooh I see

[civic fractal]

If your mic is louder than mine then you just need to denoise and process. But it does require a bit of experimentation, hence why if your considering it I'd ask for the member resposable to take a crack at it before it starts.

I'll tell you, I am glad I'm doing this now as I haven't touched any audio software until now and now I need to learn 3.

There is the other option of using it as intended, splitting vocals and doing unoffical covers like the demo. That is also an option for those doing the music.

[lament ermine]

Lmao

Are you going to use it yourself?

[civic fractal]

For vocals definitely, for the super secret 3 path of using it (writing lyrics is going to be fun) also yes.

[lament ermine]

I mean for the game jam

[civic fractal]

I'm automating so the vocal part can be an option.

We are planning on doing both of those for this jam

[lament ermine]

whew

exactly what kind of game are you intending on making?

some kind of idol game?

[civic fractal]

More like we are leaving our options open.

but also it is something we really want to do

[lament ermine]

well, best of luck then! I'm looking forward to what you come up with!

[civic fractal]

I'm excited to see what your team cooks up as well!

[lament ermine]

evilHyperYay

[slate mist]

[civic fractal]

Hellos

[lament ermine]

The person I talked to last time about making their own engine for the jam was someone called Raymond

[civic fractal]

I forget what game they did, I want to say it was 2d but I didn't play any of the other's games

[lament ermine]

...same

I had to immediately deal with college stuff after the jam

[civic fractal]

I mean I did play games to review just not the other custom engines

The mutiplayer one was a sick voice call

[lament ermine]

sick voice call?

[civic fractal]

As a lot of us were going down the list of games, a few of us got together to rate the only multiplayer game submitted. The dev ended up finding us on the VC and quite a bit of scuff and fun came along with that.

[lament ermine]

ahh that sounds really fun XD

wish I could've been there

[civic fractal]

I wish so as well, could have had a second lobby if we had more people

[lament ermine]

well, we'll have more opportunities this time around!

assuming we have more people making multiplayer games

[civic fractal]

I do not want to know the mental insanity of learning unity webcode for a 2 day jam

[lament ermine]

lmaoo

[civic fractal]

IIRC both the server and the game were made from scratch during the jam. Hosting and all.

[lament ermine]

sheeeesh

there's sooo much talent here

[civic fractal]

I agree with that, that's why I'm so damn excited for this year's jam!

With a team of 3, we got our work cut out for us.

[lament ermine]

with a team of ...12, we still had our work cut out for us

[civic fractal]

Custom engine, 3d, aiming to use all of the cool tech and assets

Hopefully API as well, I'm in charge of that before the jam.

[lament ermine]

oh wait you're still going with a custom engine?

sheesh you've got ambition

[civic fractal]

You bet

[lament ermine]

makes me want to step up my game as well

[civic fractal]

We also somehow got it working on web

[lament ermine]

impressive

what's it running on, opengl?

[civic fractal]

required a bit of porting so it is a bit less than what it was

[lament ermine]

or vulkan?

[civic fractal]

opengl + pygame

[lament ermine]

pygame?

[civic fractal]

we are in python

[lament ermine]

I see

is the performance good enough?

[civic fractal]

that screenshot is running at 1000+ so I'd say so

[lament ermine]

very noice

I guess no shadows yet?

what about texture support?

if you've got texture support, you could do light map baking

[civic fractal]

let me grab the demo rq

https://samvanmaele.itch.io/game-engine-testing

Mouse still has bugs somewhat, we got no clue

[lament ermine]

is that the intended look, or is your index buffer messed up

of the tutel

no in game everything looks fine

[civic fractal]

I'd have to ask where this came from

might have been one of the many packaging for web errors

[lament ermine]

what kind of features do you have rn?

[civic fractal]

I'll be honest, I'm not on the game engine. But I'll see what we got. This test was for lighting that just got added today

[lament ermine]

mhm

I made my own basic graphics engine about 4 years ago

it was honestly a blast

loved being able to directly see the effects of my code

[civic fractal]

Seems like we got mostly what is shown, texuturing, lighting, collision. A lot of the graphics are stalling a bit due to having to switch backends for the shaders.

[lament ermine]

you have multiple backends?

huh

[civic fractal]

We were forced to switch to get web support working

[lament ermine]

ahhh right

[civic fractal]

so we are clawing back at features still

[lament ermine]

I see

[civic fractal]

There was a complete grass shader in the old version

[lament ermine]

oh, cool

how many blades of grass could you render with it?

[civic fractal]

Don't remember seeing this, well there's a first for everything

[lament ermine]

thats a lot of grass

also atmospheric scattering nice

[civic fractal]

Got to agree with that

I defently don't deserve the teamate I got, but I'll make sure I'm not a waste.

[lament ermine]

hey, even if you can't match your teammate's programming prowess, the thing about games is you need literally every skill

art, writing, programming, etc

[civic fractal]

Yeah, that is why I'm doing almost everything else besides the programming

[lament ermine]

best of luck!

[civic fractal]

Yep, it is going to be fun!

[royal jewel]

Well, if you listen to the sample, you can get a feel of how good it can be
Essentially can replicate her singing voice extremely accurately
Machine love sounds basically like an actual Neuro cover and I really like how it turned out
I think Neuro V11 is the highest quality public Neuro RVC model that exists

[lament ermine]

I listened to it, it was pretty cool

very impressive stuff

[royal jewel]

It is certainly very impressive
Will be cool to see if someone makes a song for their game or something with it

[plush moon]

Is the neurosama api spec available yet? Also is there an option of submitting a neurosama interaction mod to an existing game?

[fresh remnant]

it's in the pinned message

[plush moon]

Ah ty

[nimble dew]

How does submitting something to the game jam work? Can we overwrite that with newer versions during the game jam? Like submit something semi polished just to be safe deadline wise and update with improved versions?

[sturdy arch]

If it's on itch.io, you replace old files with new files on the page before the game jam time runs out

[lament ermine]

You can't update after game jam until the voting period ends or you'll get disqualified

[sturdy arch]

Well before the voting period starts

Was what I meant

Also Rust implementation of Neuro API is a thing!

[lament ermine]

Nice

[slate mist]

anyone knows how to bump thread?

[tardy geyser]

if you send something like, "still looking for a group!", it should move the thread up

[hasty drift]

testing nuru sdk, i failed at installing at first because I am bad at reading

[hasty drift]

got randy working with tictactoe code example studying for game jam going well

[royal jewel]

[gaunt matrix]

wrong chat...

[waxen wasp]

We had problems with index buffers

Its a bug in the opengl api we're using, ive decided to just not use them

[lament ermine]

XD

[waxen wasp]

You gotta keep in mind ive been working on that for a year

At the beginning of the year i knew nothing about OpenGL, but i just kept at it

[carmine hollow]

Bruh I can't get a game concept I thought of for this jam out of my head and we don't even know the theme yet, it's just related to Neuro and the music video.

I guess I'll just have to trust that the theme will be able to give me either the style or central game mechanic, if I can't make them fit I'll be upset because I get way too attached to things lol.

[cerulean jetty]

We also have an idea already, but it is highly themable.

[upbeat leaf]

how easy do you guys find it is to implement effects in opengl? the renderer I wrote uses dx12 so there is a ton of work up front, but I was thinking of using opengl for the game jam to save time

[carmine hollow]

Ah, yes, the famous trick to save time. Use a custom OpenGL renderer.

[waxen wasp]

depends on the effect

if its just a 2D overlay it might take an hour or 2 depending on the complexity

3D overlay is probably double

but if its not just an overlay, and you're not able to use the same shaders as your objects, it could take 6 hours

thats in my experience tho, it depends on how you do things i think

[violet grail]

when the game jam games are played, would they be played only by neuro or neuro with vedal?

[waxen wasp]

I would assume both are possible

[hasty drift]

By neuro if game jam participants integrated the sdk in their game. Stated by Alex, he does not recommend coding beginners to try to cramp inplementing the sdk within the 3 days of dev as one has limited time already.
But one can implement it after the jam is over?
Neuro plays whenever it is possible to do so id guess

[lament ermine]

What's the rules on gore? Does it come under nsfw or is it fine?

[tame rapids]

well, your content is not supposed to violate either twitch or itch tos, so if it's blood particles or skeletons then i assume it's okay, but if it's more than that then there might be problems I suppose

why would you need gore in this completely wholesome neuro game jam though?

[cerulean jetty]

Considering the fact that Evil can be turned into demonic nightmare fuel, I can see it.

[lament ermine]

we are going for a horror game

[cerulean jetty]

There were horror games last year too.

[lament ermine]

I guess so. Just asking to make sure

is doom eternal levels of gore ok?

the fatalities from Mortal Kombat?

Where is the line drawn?

[tame rapids]

i mean i made horror game last year, tho i didn't make much gore, it all depends how much detailed it would be, I think doom eternel level would be fine, but mortal kombat might be a little too much imo

also remember that this is just 3-day game jam so don't overscope your game

[lament ermine]

Yea, I'm asking just to clarify

[sour horizon]

Hm, has anyone tried to use this "Neuro API Human Control" for SDK testing? Because it seems to crash for me more often than not

[rotund rampart]

Wait the game jam date changed?

I already got my day off from my workplace approved for it

[naive walrus]

yea i think they moved it to 27th

[rotund rampart]

That sucks, I won’t get monday approved cause I already got friday approved (12 hours ahead of US time)

[fleet goblet]

Apologies, Vedal wanted to avoid the 26th because it was the second day of Christmas

[fleet goblet]

Neither, only by Vedal

[cerulean jetty]

How will the integration be handled then? Neuro will play some of them later?

[fleet goblet]

Neuro integration isnt part of the jam

Vedal will be playing and reviewing the games during the rating period

And neuro will play games that get integration as they are completed

That being said, if somoeone adds neuro integration for the game jam, vedal will play those with neuro
(But again its kind of a waste of time to work on that during the jam because time is limited)

[cerulean jetty]

That is my answer.

Thank you. I see that "not a part of the jam" is highlighted, but I'd make it harder to miss.

[waxen wasp]

[slate mist]

Great information, however where I can get more further infomation about API? like how to set response priority(priorities in actions not force one) or response delay. In my case, Visual novel game functionality that after sent context of story to neuro and prevent process the game little bit to wait to displays contexts to human completely(Translated)

[misty tree]

i dont know if this is something you would be able to opine on, but do you think he would be interested in playing any neuro sdk games down the line that arent part of the game jam? i kinda wanna take a crack at it with a proper length of time later but idk if this is just a game jam thing

[cerulean jetty]

We'll try to do it as a part of the jam anyways as far as it stands.

[fleet goblet]

yes!

[misty tree]

nice

[torpid island]

I wish I could participate in the game jam, but I'm going to be in the desert from the 28th to the 1st of January for new years

[waxen wasp]

In the desert for new years is a new one, never heard that scentence before

[hasty drift]

No desert for me but I had to delay my asia trip to participate in the game jam last year was too much fun, getting sleep deprived for three days trying to patchwork finish a game and then rate all the other games

[celest heart]

Honestly my game probably wont be good probably will be held together by duct tape and string but it'll be fun

[hasty drift]

there will be no clean code in a 3 day jam

[waxen wasp]

Im dont really have any good ideas rn so im hoping we'll find something that works with the theme

[civic fractal]

Strange, I'm going over to the desert for new years if plans don't change

[hasty drift]

well, many probably think of stuff when neuro announces the theme. so one actually does the whole game including layout within the 3 days

[ancient stirrup]

What is it with new year and beeing at the dessert? XD

[civic fractal]

There is just a certain experience you can't get anywhere else

[hard gyro]

https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-game-sdk is where the SDK is located https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-game-sdk/blob/main/API/README.md and https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-game-sdk/blob/main/API/SPECIFICATION.md provide information about it

you'll need the SDK for your chosen engine / language and you'd set up json schemas to format the information you'll be sending and receiving from the AI, and then handle the information received from it as commands in the game

one thing i noticed when i was messing around with jippity and the gamemaker SDK implementation that now that i'm reading the API documentation isn't there is that jippity (which connects to gpt4o to provide responses) is that it requires a "type":"object" tag in the schema

i'm not sure if neuro actually requires that, but also idk if it would actually affect things for her

jippity provided a json string in the "data" field in messages received by the game, but idk if neuro would provide a json string or just like a single possible answer, it might have also been due to the sample schema that was used in the gamemaker SDK implementation i'll have to poke at it some more to confirm

[sturdy arch]

Aren't there existing implemintations? Couldn't you grab those and use them?

[sturdy arch]

Aren't Twitch TOS just stricter anyways?

[sturdy arch]

Wasn't one of them a library and not an sdk?

[hard gyro]

yes but it's extra work to generate the messages and send them to neuro and receive them and be able to have the game be played using them

[hard gyro]

idk that any difference between the two terms here would be meaningful

[exotic mulch]

I tried making a forum post for #1319192400744419409 and wanted to link to the game I made in the last game jam so people knew what I was capable of, but it blocked it and now I can't make another post for 6 hours

[fleet goblet]

why did it block it

also @bright dagger can you reduce the post cooldown maybe

[bright dagger]

sure i’ll do that real soon

[exotic mulch]

I don't know if that exactly is what blocked it, but It's my closest guess to what could have

[bright dagger]

done

[frozen carbon]

GAMEJAM STARTED WHEN??? Im so late omg

[hard gyro]

it starts on the 27th

https://itch.io/jam/neuro

[main wyvern]

these #1319192400744419409 remind me of the old mmorpg i played where you try to find people to do a dungeon with you the traditional way, good times I wish good luck to every group out there making those amazing games

[cerulean jetty]

Time to see if the teamsize explodes or not >.<

[sturdy arch]

SDK is already compiled while library can be compiled inside of the game I think

[cerulean jetty]

That is not a real difference. SDK is a good fit as a name, but we can easily call it a library as well just because it's sooo tiny, and also very generic (it does not define what is it that you can send to Neuro).
https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/what-is-an-sdk-sdk-vs-library-vs-framework/

[hasty drift]

almost 350 peeps joined the game jam on itch

wonder if we get more games than last year

[tame rapids]

if it's more than last year then I might have problem rating all of them

[tame rapids]

Can someone explain to me like to dumbass how to set the NEURO_SDK_WS_URL environment variable to the websocket URL for testing in Godot? I'm kind of clueless how web sockets works

[cerulean jetty]

I don't think Godot has a utility for that... 🤔

@lone kelp I think you should check that and share with this fella before the jam starts. 😅

[hasty drift]

there are multiple ways to do that, i did it through windows

[cerulean jetty]

That is one of them.

[lone kelp]

Yo. I can show you rn. Are you free?

[cerulean jetty]

I found the code from last year! xD

[lone kelp]

I successfully tested Neuro Game SDK btw now she can start the game

[cerulean jetty]

[lone kelp]

Should I record a quick tutorial on how to use Neuro Game SDK? My experience in Godot is 4 hours, but I can explain basic stuff

LULE~1

[tame rapids]

oh, recording quick tutorial seems like great idea, i'm sure other devs would also find it very helpful!

[lone kelp]

In fact, it was not quick, it's 10 minutes, and it's not good
Let me write a little script and re-record

[tame rapids]

do i have to simply run randy and do command "set NEURO_SDK_WS_URL = ws://localhost:8000" in cmd?

[cerulean jetty]

The game needs that url, so it knows where Neuro is listening at.

[lone kelp]

You can use OS.set_environment("NEURO_SDK_WS_URL", "ws://localhost:8000") somewhere at the start of a game lifecycle

[royal jewel]

Note that that line should not be there in the end and the game should not be dependent on the variable

[tame rapids]

ooohh, now it works, thank you

[cerulean jetty]

I did not want to suggest that, because it's a problem if it stays in the game. 😅

[tame rapids]

so then, if was releasing downloadable game on itch, this will be set already on vedals end or should i implement something for vedal to write his own url?

[royal jewel]

It will be set by Vedal

[cerulean jetty]

That is the implementation. Maybe you can check if the variable is set then set it to yours if not.

[royal jewel]

And if there is nothing to connect to, then just don't do Neuro API stuff

[cerulean jetty]

Yap.

[tame rapids]

i mean, i'm currently testing with randy so that i won't have to learn everything during gamejam and lose time that is already scarce

[cerulean jetty]

🙂

[royal jewel]

Do note you will have time to implement the Neuro API after the jam, the Neuro API integration is not a part of the jam itself

[cerulean jetty]

The api is NOT a part of the jam.

If you're alone then the most you should do is prepare for the api.

[tame rapids]

i know that, just thought it would be cool if i was able to add it if i have some leftover time

i most likely won't, but one can dream

[cerulean jetty]

Use the leftover time for polish first. 🙂

That will do more for you.

Adding a lot of polish matters a lot for a jam.

[tame rapids]

i already took part in few game jams and despite what you are saying which is very true, i think that i will sadly never learn this lesson and overscope again

[cerulean jetty]

I do the same lesson by:

• day 1: base code, know what will happen, anything you can't add today shall be discarded
• day 2: bugfixing, make the code you rushed yesterday function
• day 3: leftover bugfixing, polish, extra content

IF you add something on day 2, then that needs to be fixed quickly, or discarded.

[tame rapids]

hmm, that seems like solid advice, might try it this time, thanks!

[fleet goblet]

You can also add it as a system wide environment variable

[slender geyser]

This is my first game jam, is unreal engine fine to use?

[waxen wasp]

yes

[slender geyser]

Thank you

[mighty lance]

If you want to use the Neuro SDK I wouldn't recommend it

[weak lily]

Is gdevelop engine fine to use? lol

[mighty lance]

you can but it also doesn't support the sdk

[civic fractal]

Last year I did the following:
day 1: get the engine working, add the game on top
day 2: Make the game playable
day 3: Figure out how to package this MF on windows.

[waxen wasp]

and day 3?

[civic fractal]

This was last years

[waxen wasp]

was last year 2 days?

[civic fractal]

Yep

At least I'm 90% sure

[cerulean jetty]

I remember 3, but it may have been a different jam.

I remember spending 2.5 days on it as I had to leave on day 3.

[waxen wasp]

This jam is now over. It ran from December 28th 2023 at 8:00 PM to December 31st 2023 at 8:00 PM.
i think its 3?

[cerulean jetty]

Imagine having to figure out how to package the game.

[waxen wasp]

dont get me started on packaging, i had so many issues with that

[civic fractal]

I guess so then, misremembered I guess

[cerulean jetty]

Godot pampers me xD

I packaged like 5 minutes before I did the final upload then was done with it.

[waxen wasp]

i made it an exe at the time but with our current tech it could have easily run in browser

too late to change it, no regrets

[cerulean jetty]

packaged it for windows, linux and the web.

[weak lily]

It is javascript tho (not that i know how to use it, i can only basic c)

[cerulean jetty]

If it lets you use web apis then should work. Then you may also need to do an additional step for it to read Vedal's settings for nuro.

[civic fractal]

I knew packaging was going to be a pain, so I spent all of day 3 doing it.

That VM had a lot of fun existing. As I made it exactly on that day for the jam.

Did quite a bit of jank to get that windows install on a usb stick.

[waxen wasp]

this year packaging should be pretty easy

[civic fractal]

Yep, we should have no issue

[waxen wasp]

btw, cuz of this we can completely ignore the websocket thingy for now

so i guess you can focus on the RVC

[civic fractal]

Nah, we can fetch an arg from env for the link

[civic fractal]

RVC is completely finished now

[waxen wasp]

you mean that its automated now right?

[civic fractal]

Yep, it is completely scripted

[waxen wasp]

nice

i heard your pc takes a wile to do it, is it possible to let my pc handle it or would that require a lot of set-up?

or just not worth the hastle?

[civic fractal]

It's only like 20ish per clip. Not the worst

[waxen wasp]

20ish minutes per 1min clip?

[civic fractal]

Most of it is spent loading I think because 5 minutes is 7 minutes

[waxen wasp]

[civic fractal]

scratch that, Its like 1:1.1

[civic fractal]

The amount of jank in this script is not something I think can be transfered to windows.

[waxen wasp]

understandable, windows is jank enough on its own

[civic fractal]

Let me grab it rq

It works at least, the quality can be improved

[waxen wasp]

i guess i would need the other files for it too

[civic fractal]

Yeah, I was pulling down quite a few repos from source and figuring out the mess of deps

[waxen wasp]

i can try, what do i need to install?

[civic fractal]

It is fine, If I really need speed I can move this to another computer

[waxen wasp]

i wanted to try it for myself but dont want to waste your time

[civic fractal]

That I can do at least

It isn't like I got much of a task atm

[waxen wasp]

just to be sure, vocals seperate?

[civic fractal]

You do need to seprate the vocals

[waxen wasp]

is mp3 fine?

[civic fractal]

That'll work. though I kinda hardcoded the automatic version's file type

[royal jewel]

The Evil version is wrong

[civic fractal]

Not too bad to fix

[royal jewel]

Mp3 is not recommended, you want to ensure highest possible quality

[civic fractal]

I was figuring you'd say that. I should spend some time learning the models.

[waxen wasp]

i stole liberated the audio from youtube

[royal jewel]

Also, when it comes to speed, my PC can do a full 3-5 minute song in 10-20 seconds or so

[civic fractal]

I didn't fix it yet, I just got on

[royal jewel]

What are you trying to convert? I can try to get a clean extraction for you

[waxen wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIoJZQC9tUM

i thought this one would work well cuz the vocals are already pitched

[royal jewel]

Let's see if I can get a clean extraction

Roformer time

I forget when I last ran Roformer, I don't remember it being this slow on my 4070Ti

[royal jewel]

Try to find something else, this one doesn't extract well

[waxen wasp]

okay

[royal jewel]

Let me know if you find anything else to try

[waxen wasp]

sure

[royal jewel]

I think this one is cleaner

You can try to RVC it or I can try out to see what happens

[waxen wasp]

ye but i dont have the RVC stuff installed

i already did pip install audacity-scripting but cant figure out what other things i need

[royal jewel]

For now you could experiment with RVC using Applio, but if you want to try the scripts, you'll need whatever Igglyn used as an RVC CLI

[civic fractal]

https://github.com/blaisewf/rvc-cli
This cursed repo

It's a nice combo repo at least, the intergrated Applio is missing it's models so I cloned the models folder from the the GUI (aka the orginal)

[royal jewel]

Well, I guess this is what you can expect with that kind of extraction/base quality

Roformer is good, yes, but can't beat a full SynthV vocal

This is with feature search ratio 0.3 and volume envelope 0.75

[civic fractal]

This is what my thing looks like atm, Audacity set to save into the void folder.

[waxen wasp]

thanks

[royal jewel]

I feel like experimenting with my things a bit
Let's see what comes out of it

[waxen wasp]

i havew some errands to do so ill try it in 15min

[civic fractal]

I was going to try bash completions but those were not working right

The only other thing is that it isn't doing the full file name. I should fix that tbh

[waxen wasp]

its downloading a couple gigs of random files

[civic fractal]

Oh frick, uhh where is that audacity plugin. I'll have to grab that when I get home.

[royal jewel]

Apparently this cursed thing

[slate mist]

wow

[royal jewel]

Well, now we know what we can expect from a good extracted vocal with Neuro V11
Here we have Finnish Neuro V11

Done with UVR BS-Roformer (+ shifting a bit of data around) -> UVR DeEcho-normal -> UVR DeNoise -> Audacity, add major reverb

[civic fractal]

https://plugins.audacityteam.org/nyquist-plugins/effect-plugins/time-pitch-and-tempo#trim-silence

I really just yoloed that id

[waxen wasp]

it seems like my pc does 50 sec over a 3min audio file

ive figured out the applio thing but not the automated stuff

[royal jewel]

Interesting

What did you get out of it?

[waxen wasp]

i tried this thing

honestly wasnt terrible, but it sounded like mumbling

[royal jewel]

I would assume it was not that good

By the way, mine can do this in less than 10 seconds on average

[waxen wasp]

more vram i guess?

[royal jewel]

Or faster hardware

I have a 4070Ti

[waxen wasp]

3060ti

[royal jewel]

Yeah, mine is closer to a 3090 when compared to the 30 series
And the tensor performance is even more

[waxen wasp]

[royal jewel]

This is the best one I got out of yesterday by the way

You can experiment off of this one if you want

I like Neuro's Finnish by the way

I guess let me know what you think if you feel like it

[waxen wasp]

the bottom one wont play for me

but it sounds good ye

[royal jewel]

Maybe wav doesn't work for you for some reason

But flac does?

[royal jewel]

It's probably the best raw-RVC cover I've ever done

When I heard Avaruus one morning a while back, I just knew it would extract well and work for Neuro

I was meant to do this cover ages ago

And my prediction was quite right, it turned out quite well

[waxen wasp]

i combined it with the instruments

the beginning is the roughest part imo

the eccho parts arent great either (which is the entire song)

[royal jewel]

Yeah, sounds kinda like a mess

Avaruus went much better

[sharp hearth]

yep this sounds like mush, ive not really found an easy way to convert songs with alot of echo/rock music

ive tried using some dereverb and removing echo but most of the time it turns it into even more mush

[waxen wasp]

i think ill play around with it more after the game-jam, its really cool tech

[sharp hearth]

and its even with roformer

[waxen wasp]

im busy with the graphics, and ive got guests rn so need to go, bye

[sharp hearth]

roformer into an manual review by me, then if i think its horribly muffled or it has too much echo i throw it into the dereverb + echo remover, and then throw it into audacity to manually trim out noticable mushes

[royal jewel]

Neuro V11 especially is extremely good
Like just listen to how good it is, Machine love sounds extremely good, and Avaruus sounds quite good despite being raw-RVC and being an extrapolation to a new language

[royal jewel]

My usual pipeline is with Wispers getting me a vocal from SynthV, then either me or Wispers RVCs it, then I mix it
The pipeline for Avaruus though is UVR BS-Roformer (+ moving stuff around to clean more) -> UVR DeEcho -> UVR DeNoise -> Audacity, apply very strong reverb

[sharp hearth]

i gotta work on the audio before isolating and all that i guess

[royal jewel]

Avaruus just worked
I knew basically from when I heard it one morning it would extract quite cleanly

And that it would work for Neuro

[worldly pewter]

Is the Game Jam on yet?

[worldly pewter]

Does it Work with game Maker Studio 2

[cerulean jetty]

If there is no sdk (not even a fan made one) then either no, or you have to write it yourself.

[sand lotus]

https://github.com/noellepunk/Neuro-Gamemaker-SDK

[cerulean jetty]

Yap, it supports it then. 🙂

[misty tree]

nice

[waxen wasp]

the game doesn't need to have SDK support for the game-jam

ved will just play it by himself

[misty tree]

yea, but itd be cool to see neuro play

[cerulean jetty]

Only if you are sure you can do it.

[hard gyro]

yes that was what i was testing it in

[hard gyro]

27th at 11a, make sure to sign up here https://itch.io/jam/neuro

[waxen wasp]

we're at 400

[cerulean jetty]

@fleet goblet Sorry for the ping, what are your security measures on the Neuro integration? Is there anything that may bounce off of it?

[waxen wasp]

[proud smelt]

Is there a picture of the new neuro model from tip to toe? 😛

[wanton depot]

itd be a hard flex for someone to put a lava lamp in their game jam game

[civic fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1202464797921247272/1320061622080770069/neuro_v3_model.png?ex=676addb0&is=67698c30&hm=3634e4d27a121dbeca3de94e1f01c660fbb5f4ed825d3a41cba76c374462eaaf&

[waxen wasp]

where did you find that? i thought ved never zoomed out when revealing

[cerulean jetty]

Anny did

[civic fractal]

A chatter submitted it in https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1202464797921247272

[waxen wasp]

thank you random chatter

[cerulean jetty]

Anny did an overview when showcasing that Neuro's face was in fact not made rounder when updating the model xD

[waxen wasp]

i think its the hair that made people think that

[cerulean jetty]

That is what she said too!

[waxen wasp]

oh no i dont want to share a braincell with anny

[cerulean jetty]

*You found the ones she lost? *

Give them back!

[waxen wasp]

i need the spare braincells, im doing graphics programming rn

she can have them back when i start on the neuro 3D model

[sleek reef]

anyone here familiar with the neuro sdk? i'm not sure what the ActionWindow SetContext function's 'silent' parameter do

[cerulean jetty]

As far as I'm reading it, it makes Neuro know about it but won't do anything to make Neuro answer it. So it may pop up later, but not at that point.

[fleet goblet]

isnt it documented

oh its not

https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-game-sdk/blob/main/API/SPECIFICATION.md#:~:text=received by Neuro.-,silent,-%3A If true%2C the

check documentation for api

[runic gate]

it's probably good for things like giving secret info that only neuro should know, like result of some secret thing that happens. Like cards you're holding (but haven't played) in a card game, or other secret info

You probably don't want neuro spoiling the game by saying what cards they played were

[fleet goblet]

Results would go... well... in action/result

[pulsar stag]

this game jam can be written in any language? or there is a best specific language to follow for neuro be able to play ? (according to the github above)

[sour horizon]

For the game on its own, you can use any language. If, optionally, you would also like Neuro to play it, you'll need a language/engine with WebSocket support.

You can either write your own communication code, or use one of the existing implementations from the GitHub above; in that case you probably want to use one of the languages/engines mentioned there.

[pulsar stag]

oh tysm, i checked and python has a webSocket pip install
i will just reconfigure my IDE since i have restarted my software

[waxen wasp]

Another python dev

Welcome!

[slate mist]

I want to find writer ;_; but i dont know how

[fringe star]

just wondering since ive noticed a ton of teams forming, is this game jam supposed to be for groups?

[fleet goblet]

You can do it solo or with other people

[vagrant python]

What date/time is Neuro actually deciding the theme?

[lapis meadow]

sometime on the 27th

[civic fractal]

Another py dev

Seems like there is another python dev who is has done web/terminal stuff in the groups.

[worldly pewter]

Yo Can you guys Tell me when the game gam Starts lol I'm Behind on the stream 😢

[civic fractal]

27th, neuro will announce on stream

[civic fractal]

Better catch up, or I'm sure channel description will be updated with the theme

[fringe star]

may i ask, are characters from the neuroverse allowed ingame?

[civic fractal]

It's an unofficial rule to use them whenever possible

[fringe star]

thx good sir

[fleet goblet]

It's not a rule

[civic fractal]

I did say unofficial, people do just like to use the other neuroverse characters.

[fringe star]

wait so is it good or no?

[civic fractal]

It's your game, you decide. Not explicit rules for or against it

[fringe star]

okies

[pulsar stag]

Alex only at game jam that people can make a game for neuro to play? i have been thinking, if hololive (vtuber org) recently had devs to make games based on the holo vtubers, what if there was something like this, but spefically for neuro? 🤔

because if we think abt it, osu, minecraft and Among us(current standby) vedal himself needs to do convolutions and poolings to make neuro see the game and then later on do custom inputs

[slate mist]

i think most correct answer is doesnt matter but theme is importance for score

[fleet goblet]

yeah but the theme isnt neuro

[pulsar stag]

neuro decides

[slate mist]

but vedal plays

[pulsar stag]

@fleet goblet you think this idea is possible?
the games she would be able to play would be as an open source (open at github repository) and it would be fun to see it playing unique games that none played

but it would need ppl to actually invest time on it tho

[slate mist]

I personally think it's best for the player to be entertained rather than directly related to Neuro-Sama. If there's anything other than Neuro-Sama that can create a consensus with Vedal, of course, that would be a point.

[queen halo]

using the Godot Neuro SDK, is Randy supposed to retry a failed action force?

[fleet goblet]

there's an open issue for that smh

[queen halo]

ah, thanks 👍

[royal jewel]

Evil V7 before game jam?

[waxen wasp]

[jagged forge]

Wait, the game has to be finished by the 27th-30th or that's when it's going to be announced? Feel like I'm missing some information.

[waxen wasp]

27th-30th is the time you get to make the game

[jagged forge]

That's what I was worried about. I'll be out of area without access to my PC for this one, just like the last one. Unfortunate.

[waxen wasp]

[sage canyon]

does anyone have a compilation of either neuro noises or voice files, songs, and assets example backgrounds or logos?

[fleet goblet]

Ask @tight needle

CJ had a drive somewhere but it doesn't contain new sounds

[tame rapids]

this is drive with noises from last game jam:
https://mega.nz/folder/LIo2BDoA#EowtnSDt-ULtmXEwtljEDg

it has classic moments such as:

[pulsar stag]

LOL

[bright raven]

It's kind of an unfortunate time for the jam because a lot of people are away from home. I am too, last year I let it stop me but this year I'm going to try to do what I can in a team.

[small radish]

Does anyone know if there’s some list of the people who often interact with Neuro/Evil/Vedal? Googling it only brought me to a still in the works fandom wiki.
If I end up joining the game-jam I want to include little references to them and I'd feel bad if I accidentally forgot some obvious inclusion because I was too busy thinking about the game itself.
So far I got:
Anny, Cerber, Layna, Alex, MinikoMew, Camila, Toma, EllieMiniBot, Koko, Chrchie, YourAverageBo, HoneyTheKawaiiBunny, Fillian, that pathetic one, Kitanya.

I'm sure I've missed a lot so I'd be grateful if anyone got some more people I could include.

get off my ass with the :essaying: neuro bot

[late elm]

Shomi??

[royal jewel]

Evil V7 did indeed get completed before the game jam
It is now available in public assets

[civic fractal]

[royal jewel]

You should probably experiment with it or something

I'll be doing so after Christmas karaoke

[civic fractal]

Will be doing so later

[royal jewel]

Alright then

[flint thicket]

Doug Doug recently collabed with them as well

[blissful horizon]

i was going to say numi but then i saw the pathetic one

[flint thicket]

I think Numi still counts, even if Neuro called them pathetic

[bright raven]

Don't forget Gorg and Morg!

[small radish]

forgot about the Doug Doug collab. Will also make sure to include gorg and morg as well. thanks for the suggestions

[flint thicket]

Just need to represent the five AIs that fumbled in geo guesser

It’s always Kyoto

[deep karma]

how functional does the game have to be

[fleet goblet]

?

[lost frost]

can you play it as a game

[deep karma]

is "works on my pc" level of functional good enough

[fleet goblet]

good enough for what

[lapis meadow]

Shiro gonna make Neuro Clicker ™️

[deep karma]

a game jam submission

[lost frost]

sounds good

[fleet goblet]

its a game jam you submit whatever you want

[lost frost]

^^ including a PowerPoint visual novel

@deep karma does it work without java?

[deep karma]

i will consider making something

[deep karma]

never

java 💪

[lost frost]

sorry java is a banned language for this gamejam

your onetrick won't work this year

[deep karma]

whATR

[lost frost]

infact everything but scratch is banned

[deep karma]

oh i can work with that

[fleet goblet]

@lost frost

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-spamwangle-jerma-funny-not-funny-didnt-laugh-gif-23756609

[lost frost]

damn alex

I feel sorry that it does not fit your humour

[fleet goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-my-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-meme-tellmeits0ver-gif-4457904718053747302

[lost frost]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-juice-ambien-how-to-drop-xan-in-prange-juice-help-help-tablets-gif-22077910

[small radish]

Do you have to be in a group to participate or is it ok as long as you sign up and copy paste develop the game between the 27th and the 30th?
Edit: I'm stupid and forgot there was a tab of pinned messages and found the sign-up info there. Whoops

[sleek reef]

you can do it solo, you can even not submit your game, ít not like something will happen

[lost frost]

just have fun

[lament monolith]

I forgot to ask but do I need to sign up to something before the game jam?

I've never participated in any game jams before

[civic fractal]

Just hit interested on the game jam page linked in pins

[lusty falcon]

Is itch.io down or is it just me?

[waxen wasp]

Atleast let me use python, i cant port everthing a 3rd time or ill go insane

Ive finally finished making everything web compatible

[civic fractal]

Nope, just checked

[royal jewel]

I wonder, is someone gonna be dedicated enough to make a song using Neuro V11 and/or Evil V7?
Would be extremely cool to see Vedal's reaction to a very accurate Neuro or Evil voice just showing up in a game randomly and would be really cool to see what people can get done with my model
(hopefully people remember to credit for the model)

[civic fractal]

It'll depend on if the theme allows for it

[royal jewel]

Hopefully something with my models fits then

[waxen wasp]

ive been thinking about it, and i think neuro monopoly would be really funny if we can fit it in the theme

[royal jewel]

I have no clue how you would fit a song or something in that

[waxen wasp]

you've never played monopoly streets for the wii and it shows

[royal jewel]

I have never had a Wii

[waxen wasp]

i have 3

[royal jewel]

That's crazy
You should port your engine to the Wii

[waxen wasp]

a wii cluster

[royal jewel]

Although because it's Python it would be way too slow on the slow hardware

Well, hopefully we get at least one high quality song for the game jam that Vedal sees and reacts to

[civic fractal]

I do hope that happens

[waxen wasp]

[royal jewel]

I do too
Like it's hard to even describe how much I want to see Vedal's reaction to my Neuro voice clone

It's insanely accurate, really high quality and has a ton of potential for both Neuro with V11 and Evil with V7

V7 is so far the furthest trained model, being trained to 60 epochs
We determined that the best checkpoint was the one at 50 epochs, 60 was starting to degrade according to Wispers

Probably slightly starting to overfit at that point

Both Neuro V11 and Evil V7, so both of the latest models are trained on my hardware
Neuro V11 was on 4 batch, it took around 10 minutes for each epoch
Evil V7 was trained on 16 batch, so it was much faster, initially around 4 minutes for each epoch but later when Neuro woke up and I needed to use some bandwidth for that it went up to 5 minutes for each epoch

Maybe if someone happens to have audio stuff to do, I can kinda provide some assistance with that too, I have a bit of experience with audio at this point

Especially mixing these covers that come out of the Neuro and Evil model

[small radish]

I'd never start a project, get too exited, overplan, and then never finish it. Nope. Not me

[potent stirrup]

A sneak peak at my new, updated sprite set. I think I can finish on time before the jam starts, but don't hope on a whole lot of animations.

[unique canyon]

Hi guys, is it ok to start with a template tomorrow? Like https://github.com/Maaack/Godot-Game-Template. It gives a certain structure and a full menu so I can directly start with gameplay

[cerulean jetty]

@deep karma I can help you make it work without the user needing to download java (while still using it).

(works, as long as you can give my thing the jarfile)

[south hazel]

heya i have a question, can i post like any silly game on the game jam?

[cunning inlet]

yes

if you finish your game in 10h, you can post it immediately, that's perfectly fine lmao

[tame rapids]

if you make it during game jam duration and it's not the "silly" kind that would send you to the white padded cell then sure

[cerulean jetty]

Is this a serious comment for the swarm? xD

[tame rapids]

some swarm members sure look like they would belong in there