2023-game-jam

[soft totem]

HOW MUCH TIME HAVE I SPENT IN TF2????!?!?!?!?

[wraith matrix]

weak

[soft totem]

uhhh

[wraith matrix]

xdx

[soft totem]

weak

i have like more than 100d on one of my wiiu games

[wraith matrix]

I may have spent too much time on that game

[soft totem]

also

who want acces as contrib

everybody

who knows

maybe one memory will be a top down rpg style :P

everything is possible

[prisma bobcat]

Not joining (have my own Neuro project), but just curious, what are you making

[wraith matrix]

I hope the top rated game jam devs also get a "Distinguished Game Dev" role on this server

[soft totem]

yea

one hundo

one person will help devel aa

[proper palm]

[soft totem]

alex

what prizes are there?

[proper palm]

The real prizes were the friends we made along the way

[soft totem]

YOU .... actually yeah

[wraith matrix]

wait, we made friends?

https://tenor.com/view/looking-around-what-confused-gif-21065154

[soft totem]

everyone became much closer when itch died

[wraith matrix]

true

[soft totem]

me omw to artificially increase project size

oh shi

unity has vs

i never knew that

[wraith matrix]

I could have artificially changed my project size by converting music from mp3 to wav, so the music would loop better

would have increased total size from 29MB to around 80MB

my 0.7mbps upload speed would cry tho

[soft totem]

i mean

rpgmaker

[wraith matrix]

what about rpgmaker?

[soft totem]

it ezz what it ezz

[soft totem]

wait WHAT

[wraith matrix]

the "privileges" of living in the middle of nowhere

[soft totem]

feel sorry for you man

[wraith matrix]

there was once a time where I through streaming would be cool

[soft totem]

yeah na mate

[wraith matrix]

and that's why I have 600+ youtube videos instead

[soft totem]

this is basically minimum for streaming

germany

amirite

dsl

[wraith matrix]

44.8mbps down, mine is like 10mbps

aka 1.2 MB/s

[soft totem]

do you have dsl?

[wraith matrix]

I have no idea what that means

but I think so

the best part is, there's a fiberoptic cable that has the best internet connection capacity nearby

but the people that set it up and their investors couldn't figure out the financial stuff, so the project has been on hold for years, and will probably never finish

[soft totem]

haha

fiberoptic will come to my house approx march

[tiny laurel]

Me and lightmax spending a whole year just to make a Vedal sadge game?

[soft totem]

yes

:3

[tiny laurel]

Ok how do I help

[soft totem]

what do you want to do?

:3

the music

?

[tiny laurel]

I can do some sfx, writing, and music

[soft totem]

yea

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thumbs-up-cat-thumbs-up-meme-stock-image-gif-27117830

[tiny laurel]

We need a separate place to talk about this

[soft totem]

nahhh

im setting up autobuilding :P

[tiny laurel]

I know what your taking about

[soft totem]

pray

[tiny laurel]

Looks good

[soft totem]

geethub

aktions

[soft totem]

@tiny laurel
finnaly made it work

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thumbs-up-cat-thumbs-up-meme-stock-image-gif-27117830

[placid vessel]

nice

[soft totem]

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

@placid vessel

[placid vessel]

[soft totem]

now time to add every plattform imaginable

[soft totem]

because why notr

[placid vessel]

nice

[soft totem]

aint no way

me omw to break github actions

[young solar]

Actually got the animations into player character

[tiny laurel]

So close to finish arent we

[young solar]

Basically a full game at this point

[tiny laurel]

Now just add 5 maps with monsters and puzzles

[young solar]

If I can I'll make it more like vampire survivors

[tiny laurel]

Neuro v viewers

[young solar]

vs this to begin with

[tiny laurel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1164862099021901824.gif?quality=lossless&size=48

[grizzled hazel]

[soft totem]

haha

YOOOOOOOOOOOO IT FINALLY FINISHED

now to add smackos

uh unity

nobody gives a fuck about visionOS

@tiny laurel think this is all we need?

also

@tiny laurel whats ur github name?

[young solar]

Anyone who is familiar with godot, could I get a little advice with something, I'm trying to look it up but I'm getting 20 different answers

I'm trying to move the enemy towards the player, node 1 towards node 2, but I'm struggling on how to give the enemy my players position, I have them both in groups as enemy and player respectively

[prisma bobcat]

Erm, are you going to have obstacles?

[young solar]

Possibly in the future, right now i'm trying to learn the basics

[tiny laurel]

I don’t have a GitHub account, should I make one?

[young solar]

Assume we have no obstacles

[prisma bobcat]

var player = get_tree().get_first_node_in_group("player")
var dir = to_local(player.global_position).normalized()
velocity = dir * speed```

is the simplest thing you can do, assuming the enemy is a characterbody2d

to get the player node,

This assumes that the player belongs to the group player, and there is only one.

[young solar]

There is only one player yes, and that did work, thanks!

So just so i'm following

does the to_local mean that the enemy node gets the info?

Honestly it was pretty close to what I had already so I'm not completely out of it

[soft totem]

yo dont have to

if you dotn want to go into the proj

[prisma bobcat]

So player.global_position holds the position of the player... relative to the root node ( I think ). Using to_local makes it so that the position vector is relative to the enemy instead

[young solar]

It makes a lot more sense after you've been reading stuff like it for an hour

[prisma bobcat]

I think I can draw a simple diagram... hopefully its correct and Im not dum

[young solar]

Oh don't worry, I understand most of the code and why it works

Next steps is probably something like:

• Player taking damage on collision
• Enemies not pushing eachother too much
• A way to fight back
• Enemy spawner

Shouldn't be too hard to figure out a couple of those though

[prisma bobcat]

Note, if you ever add obstacles, don't bother making the enemies actually collide with the obstacles. Simply make the enemies not pass those regions using Navigation areas.

I tried making the enemies collide with obstacles for my Neuro survivors-like and ended up wasting so much time trying to make the enemies not get stuck on corners

[young solar]

I remember trying to make something similar in Unity once and I enjoyed the fact that the enemies just slide off the wall because of the velocity

[prisma bobcat]

I tried so hard to make them just slide off.. but I think Godot 2D physics just doesn't work that well

[soft totem]

it ezzz godot

[young solar]

This is what happened in Unity

[soft totem]

alex would have a fever dream with that

[prisma bobcat]

I prob should finish learning basic unity for when I want to make physics heavy games. My time working with Godot physics... hasn't been the best.

[young solar]

I used unity a lot more, but I'm so conflicted with if people trust the company or not

[prisma bobcat]

Yah that uh incident demotivated me from learning Unity for a quite while. Just recently got back the motivation to finish the unity book Im reading.

[grizzled hazel]

the ways that I've seen this being handled is reversing the velocity of the object if it's colliding with the wall, making it bounce of sort. I believe this this require looking into rigidbody (idk what it is called in Godot). Most of my experience is in Unity and Unreal so I can't help much in this situation with Godot

[grizzled hazel]

I felt that tho, Unity screw up pretty bad and took a heavy hit to their rep, even if they taken a step back

[young solar]

Thanks for the tip, I'm not trying to make too many obstacles for now, getting some of the other basics down, but once I get to that point it's a good thing to keep in mind

[prisma bobcat]

Btw the Neuro Adventure code is open source so if you want to yoink stuff from it feel free: https://github.com/KotgeDev/Neuro-Adventures

No gurantee though (my part of) the code will be any good, I just do whatever works.

[bright dome]

versions 1.1 without softlocking bugs and slightly better AI yipee
https://grimodello.itch.io/lostneverfound

[young solar]

Quick question, how scuffed is this code

[frosty mantle]

You don't need chained if statements for these input actions

I would use the dict of actions and match to check against

[young solar]

I'm still very new so I don't really know what that means

[prisma bobcat]

Or an animation tree

I personally use animation trees

[frosty mantle]

Ah yes, that

Never actually used it

[prisma bobcat]

I hav no clue how it compares to doing things more directly via dictionaries but its just how I learned to do things at the start so it stuck I guess

[young solar]

I'd have to check those out, could be something useful to keep in mind

[prisma bobcat]

Im assuming Run1 and Run2 are just mirrored versions of each other?

[young solar]

Yeah they are

[prisma bobcat]

I basically do
if character.velocity.x < 0:
sprite.flip_h = true
elif character.velocity.x > 0:
sprite.flip_h = false

[young solar]

Does that work for animated sprites as well?

[prisma bobcat]

(And play run / idle depending in whether abs( velocity ) is 0 or more)

[young solar]

Sounds like a more useful way to do what I did

[prisma bobcat]

Unsure actually if they have a flip or not

The code is for Sprite2Ds

With AnimationPlayer2D to play the animations

[young solar]

Mine is just AnimatedSprite2D

Yeah this

[prisma bobcat]

They also have flip_h, so I guess it should also work?

[young solar]

I should probably check that out

[inner imp]

could be worse

probably better than yandev though

[frosty mantle]

I mean, if it works, it works

[inner imp]

pretty real

optimization is always good practice though

[frosty mantle]

Optimization for the sake of optimization makes your life worse

[inner imp]

most people don't optimize for the sake of optimizing

[tacit coral]

never optimize, bully your users into getting better devices instead

[inner imp]

[frosty mantle]

Write working code first. Then, if you see bottlenecks, fix them.

More experience you have, more "optimized" your code will be from the beginning.

[inner imp]

you gain the experience of optimizing by optimizing

[short lion]

This, I remember reading the post-mortem of the dev who made "At the Gates" and he talks about how he spent months just refactoring code and going insane in the process, it's the same as optimizing to a degree because it's also something that a lot of players will often not feel / notice
https://www.escapistmagazine.com/how-at-the-gates-took-seven-years-of-my-life-and-nearly-the-rest/

[calm nymph]

in general chain of if statements like that is better done with a switch/case statement, or whatever is idiomatic in the language you are using, but a compiler will probably be smart enough to turn it all into something equivalent anyway

[short lion]

If you have issues, you should fix them. Spending a bit of time on an optimization pass can be good and learning the principles behind optimized code is also great. But spending way too much time on something that players will never experience is a bad idea

[graceful vigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k238XpMMn38

[frosty mantle]

Funnily enough, chained if statements are faster than a match in GDScript

There is pattern matching available, so that's probably why

[soft totem]

true

[tacit coral]

btw just curious, which rhythm manager did you use for Rhythmic Recovery, and do you recommend it? (saw it in the assets list)

[wild forge]

Just like the one jamer who optimised the time system. Smh, isn't like I agreed to do a calender for said system or anything.

But hey, I got days and months now

[tacit coral]

awesome, thanks for sharing! This being built on top of Timeline does sound handy.

[soft totem]

ooo

[grizzled hazel]

I will say tho, most of my time were spent making the beatmaps. Who knew matching hundreds to thousands of notes takes a long time

[young solar]

Also big thanks for this, I haven't made anything new yet, but I'm just reading through what you've made trying to understand what to do next

[frosty mantle]

https://vxtwitter.com/KenneyNL/status/1744668724697661490

[short lion]

Kenny is the GOAT

[frosty mantle]

Also, it looks like Godot 4.3 will be bigger of a release than 4.2

By a lot

[ripe summit]

https://thoseawesomeguys.com/prompts/ there are also these prompts

[placid vessel]

Godot is so cool

We don't need Alex and his Unity

[frosty mantle]

Alex

Your empire is shattering

[short lion]

I'm a (traitorous) unity user but it's good to have competition

If there was only "one viable indie engine", that could create lots of issues down the line so it's cool to see Godot growing and other engines like Unreal are cool too for their own use cases

[bright dome]

btw Unity is laying off 25% of their workers

[prisma bobcat]

Anyone here have tips about learning Unity if you are coming from Godot. I've seen so much tutorials going the other way but never for people going from Godot to Unity.

[short lion]

Oh yeah I saw that I mean downsizing makes a lot of sense for them imo but it's not the first round of layoffs

[bright dome]

i mean, i don't know why they had so many people to begin with, but still it's nothing good

[placid vessel]

Betrayer

[bright dome]

there is a reason for that

but if you want to change engine, look for unity to godot videos

it's same if you want godot to unity

[prisma bobcat]

Look, Godot will forever remain my main engine but for uni and stuff I need to learn Unity since no-one here uses Godot

[short lion]

I didn't do godot but I'd recommend watching online step by step tutorials from the last few years for how to make simple games in Unity, and then learning more in-depth things from there.

[bright dome]

tho you are going to get whiplash, cuz workflows are way different

[placid vessel]

Once again education fails the masses

[bright dome]

good unity tutorials are from brackeys, sebastian lague and code monkey

on youtube

plus even if godot and unity are way different, knowledge from those unity tutorials can be used in godot sometimes

[short lion]

What @bright dome said, these people have fantastic tutorials - but also watch out that the tutorials you do are not too outdated, because 8-6 years ago Unity was very different to what it is today. The basics are still the same but there's enough of a difference that it might confuse you if you're just starting out @prisma bobcat

[bright dome]

yeah, like from version unity 5

[short lion]

Bro the first game I made in Unity was a roll-a-ball tutorial in Javascript Javascript isn't even supported in Unity anymore for the last 7 years

Unity 5 seems so long ago now..

[bright dome]

mine was roll-a-ball as well but in c#

roll-a-ball is such classic

[inner imp]

go back to godot

[prisma bobcat]

This being said, I think Godot is becoming quite popular. Found a JP Godot book.

Sadly none yet in KR

[inner imp]

personally i could never bring myself to using godot or unity but if i was forced to use one of the two it would easily be godot

[proper palm]

i feel like more and more people are choosing godot over unity just because of unity's already-backtracked company policies as opposed to the actual features that the editor has to offer

unity has been around for much longer and the sheer amount of community support and plugins and extensions and tooling and packages and assets available for it comes nowhere close to what godot has to offer

[short lion]

I think that's part of it, but also Godot has improved a lot from what I heard in the last couple years

That being said I love editor scripting I don't think I heard Godot has a similar feature which is a shame actually the whole engine is open source so maybe it's not an issue? 🤨

[tacit coral]

It's honestly a win-win, Godot gets an influx of users and Unity a reality check, both will get better for it

[short lion]

Yeah and let's be real, Unity really needs a reality check

[prisma bobcat]

I mainly started learning Godot as it was open-source. Not much else of a reason. Rn I am attempting to learn some Unity for academia reasons. Probably not a bad idea to be familiar with both.

[inner imp]

realistically i can tolerate both engines from purely a software perspective, but i would prefer gdscript over c#
that being said i don't like gdscript or c#

[short lion]

Alex is undeniably correct on the more features and support points as far as I know, I think there's nothing you can do in Godot that you can't in Unity (and there's a decent amount you can do in Unity which you can't in Godot). Maybe an exception for this is support for multiple languages but that's not necessary a bad thing to lack imo

[prisma bobcat]

I guess you can't copy-paste the entire engine and call it something like "KotgeEngine"

[short lion]

True

But is KotgeEngine better than Unity and Godot?

[prisma bobcat]

Anyone know what is the main difference? Like, are from what I've seen there are scene / node equivalents in Unity like prefabs

or is this something like, ill just have to learn to figure out

[soft totem]

https://github.com/godotengine/godot make superdot

MIT Licence BABYYYYYYYYY

bro i think github is having a stroke this is the second time i got a 500

dude

[deft kayak]

L

shoulda used github at a different time

[soft totem]

im honestly considering switching to the db destroyer

[soft totem]

yeeaaaaaa

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/784164459287019520.webp?size=48&name=Gun_R&quality=lossless

no

[inner imp]

L!

[soft totem]

l deez nuts

[inner imp]

[soft totem]

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-pipebomb-throw-you-gif-8675931137970734740

[deft kayak]

i love that no other server tech/admin removed all the question marks from the channel topic

[soft totem]

time to ddos the neurosama mc server !!!! /j

[deft kayak]

[short lion]

So I watched this and I can tell a couple of the differences https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKgTZWbwD1U

Scenes ("levels") are files in Unity, and there's a difference between nodes (lots of objects each with a singular purpose) and prefabs / components in Unity (objects that have various things on them). It's a different system with slightly different logic but there's some similarity between the two.

If you know Godot you're probably in a good position to learn Unity too

[placid vessel]

That's super cute

[short lion]

That being said now that I look at godot I see that I'd rather keep using Unity, there's lots of small interface things I took for granted Alex was right ahhhhhhhh I'm sorry Unity take me back

[soft totem]

yeah no you would be dead

wait a sec ...

are hacked clients allowed?

[deft kayak]

this is not the place to talk about the mc server

[short lion]

Next Neuro-jam someone should make a minecraft clone

[soft totem]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/935989994735169546/957448518103076954/3B8BA07F-D62A-4A7C-8B63-98AF9755579D-1_-_Copy.gif

[short lion]

And then turn it about a horror game like the first collab with Miyo

[inner imp]

unity stays pretty much the same, godot is constantly updated with new features, unity has many features you'll never use (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), godot has less features but is easier to use, godot is significantly faster than unity in terms of hopping from editor to project

[prisma bobcat]

We had a terraria clone iirc

[short lion]

When Neuro was chasing her and saying "I'm sorry!" and hitting her

[soft totem]

https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2448744

[prisma bobcat]

I guess more like 2d minecraft then terraria

[short lion]

Very cool, might want to check it out. One of the 59 games I haven't played (yet)

[inner imp]

anyway if you make 3d games I'd stick with unity, otherwise I'd use neither but godot between the two

[short lion]

Another meme submission that would be cool would be a Neuro-sama traditional roguelike with ASCII. But that probably won't get any points in visuals xdx

[inner imp]

roguelikes are pretty peak

[short lion]

I think that's fair. But also... I remember when that was what people said about Unreal - 3D with Unreal and 2D with Unity times have changed

[soft totem]

unreal if you want reallly really hi def and unity for everything else

[inner imp]

i mean unreal is better than unity by far for 3d

and maybe it's just preference but using unity for 2d sucks imo

[ripe summit]

godot is way better for 2d in my opinion than unity

[inner imp]

pretty real

[ripe summit]

and if you are a solo dev or small indie dev team that wants to finish a game in time unreal isn't really a option.
you won't be able to take advantage of most of the hi-def stuff as a small team due to the sheer amount of work that needs to be done to get it to look good

if you want to get a artistic game going like with your own style then yeah unreal might still be the better choice than unity.
in all honesty unity lost all its advantages over time... godot is taking its place and unreal is still ahead like always

[short lion]

Unreal can be overkill too when it comes to build file-sizes (for example, Unreal jam entries) and for very high quality 3D unity has things like the HDRP.

Unity is also a lot more versatile imo and still has more community support and assets but

Let's be real, if you can make a game with it and it if suits your purpose, it's a good enough engine lmao

[inner imp]

almost real

[prisma bobcat]

unreal, even

[inner imp]

ease of use plays a pretty large part

[wooden coral]

glad i didnt need github now cus of stuff

[inner imp]

personally as a solo developer i have never used github i just have a large flash drive

[short lion]

Github? what's that? all my homies use gitlab xdx

[placid vessel]

I host my own Gitlab

Here you can checkout my creative writing exercises https://gitlab.legitcorp.com/Baa/pyaible

[short lion]

This is so weird I love it

[soft totem]

nice domain

[placid vessel]

Thanks

[grim fjord]

There are few core differences between Unity and Godot.

First of all Godot has 3 core elements to create with:

• The most important one are Nodes - everything is a Node, you have different nodes for different things you have nodes for animations, for UI, for playing sounds for post processing, for colliders, for physics, for joints etc. You can implement custom nodes by defining class derived from base Node type.
• Then there are Scenes - Scene is just a tree of nodes saved as a separated file (equivalent of prefab in Unity). You can instantiate the scene, and you can create multiple instances of the same scene. There is no separated concept of the "scene" like in Unity: Unity prefab and Unity scene == Godot scene.
• Last one are Resources. Resource is everything you can put inside the node and almost every asset/data file. Resouce can be a script, texture, audio file, json, mesh, material, path for pathfinding, shader, etc. in reality Scenes are also resources, but it's better to think about them as separated thing.

However probably the biggest difference is that in comparison to Unity where GameObject can have multiple scripts which you can call "components". In Godot each node can only have one attached script. However you can use nodes the same way as components in Unity and this is how you should think about them. Node is an game object but also every node is like separated component.

[long hinge]

hmm i didn't quite catch what is so different about scenes? you can have multiple scenes loaded at once in Unity

[grim fjord]

When it comes to supported languages, you can use 3 but each is better for different things:

• GDScript - simple python-like language highly integrated within the editor (if you know C# you know programming fundamentals you will be able to learn this one pretty fast). Very good for prototyping stuff and managing UI (of course you can make entire game with that too). It's very easy do debug and supports hot reloading. Cons? Little slow for intense processing, poor static typing support (but it's there), and very little amount of data structures to work with: Array (List), Dictionary and math stuff like Vector, Matrix etc. are what you get.

• C# - It's a solid option and it compiles fast. Hard to debug but has much better support for static typing and of course much more data structure and overall libraries to work with. You can mix both in one project (and even in on scene), there is just one rule, one script per node.

• C++ - Good for optimizing bottle necks. You have 2 options to use C++ in Godot:
  a) Download Godot repository, change stuff inside and recompile engine. That way you can change/add/remove basically anything you want.
  b) Use built-in solution called "GDExtention" which allows for injecting C++ inside the engine with dynamic-link libraries. Using this method you can add anything you want to the engine, even support for custom language (so it's almost as powerful as recompiling the engine directly but it's much faster because you have to compile just your addon/extension).

[grim fjord]

In Unity "Scene" is like different thing. You can either create Scene or Prefab. In Godot they are the same, there is not separated concept of "Scenes" like in Unity. You can make big Godot scene and just call it a "Level" or make a small one and call it a "Bullet".

[long hinge]

well, as long as it is possible to do all the scene management related stuff, like preloading in background (since scenes can get big), unloading, merging, switching, i guess it's not a bad thing to have it like that

[frosty mantle]

var scene: PackedScene = preload("res://scenes/scene.tscn").instantiate() 
add_child(scene)

[long hinge]

so it is a "scene" after all

i guess i just misunderstood 👍

[frosty mantle]

This is a good read: https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/tutorials/best_practices/introduction_best_practices.html

[grim fjord]

You probably know this but..
For preload, the best practice is to preload to const variable and instantiate loaded scene after (in the runtime).
To load stuff in background/in runtime you can use load instead.

[wild forge]

I just love I've had to try a second terminal (kitty -> konsole) just to make sure my code wasn't doing anything stupid. That seems to be a bit of a bug and I'm glad it isn't my problem.
After program finishes no more typed characters show at all, it still registers them, just doesn't display them.

I got other things that are my problem however, as it goes.

[soft totem]

haha

did you check zsh too?

[soft totem]

https://www.makeship.com/products/little-blushing-aseprite-plush

[jovial sparrow]

alex = win

[short lion]

This is what people see

But in reality it's Camimi win

The real puppetmaster of Alex's team xdx

[proper palm]

Camimi, sadecsss and darthrael really carried with art and music

Which were our top categories

[short lion]

Yee, it's a rigged well deserved win no but seriously you guys did a fantastic job

[short lion]

What was the toughest challenge for you / your team during development?

[proper palm]

I was gonna write a full devlog about this but never got around to it

Probably the pressure, usually in a game jam if something goes wrong you can just... Not upload anything, but due to my own position in the community and as co-host, as well as Camila's status as a content creator we didn't really have that luxury

After the first night I woke up and was the only one awake and I was sitting there like not knowing what to do or how to even contribute and we had no game design or art or mechanics, and Camila was just streaming hyping up her chat so much saying how good the game was gonna turn out and that it's gonna be epic and I'm just thinking how tf are we supposed to do this in 2 days we haven't even decided if the game is gonna be a top down or side scroller

[soft totem]

damm

camilla really is bad at marketing XD

or wait

she is exactly what the game market does

[short lion]

Camimi doing that No Man's Sky style marketing I can imagine though, pressure can be tough

[soft totem]

yea

[grizzled hazel]

pulling through crunch like that must not be easy, even if you have a great team with you

[short lion]

Pressure ended up creating a diamond at the end though

[frosty mantle]

Timezones be damned... We've lost 11 hours because people weren't online

[proper palm]

Bro the amount of stress this caused me is unbelievable I get PTSD just thinking about it

[short lion]

How did you manage to pull through / salvage it at the end?

[proper palm]

The rest of my team woke up

[grizzled hazel]

honestly, working by myself for this game jam was definitely an experience as well, thanks goodness to all the assets the community provide . I definitely want to look for a team if we ever do another game jam

[placid vessel]

Working alone was a lot of pressure simply because i knew I would be depressed if i put in all this work and had nothing to submit even if it was the most broken game in existence

But... working as a team and having other people rely on you?
And having a big streamer and all their audience relying on you?
Still, nice to work with people on something together

I found that once the gamejam was over and the pressure was off I could think a lot more clearly about how Godot works and I was a lot more forgiving with documentation and everything made a lot more sense. When I'm rushing I just skim through docs until I find the key piece of info and then I implement it while missing a lot of important context

[unique pawn]

my social anxiety could never

[placid vessel]

i like ur website

You look like the kind of person to have a fedi profile, do you? 👀

Add me.. you know, if you want
[e-mail]

[unique pawn]

thank you . i don't do social media unfortunately

[short lion]

I can empathize with that a lot - I was thinking of participating solo initially too and was unsure I'd even be able to finish a game I teamed up with a talented composer (tieff) on a whim and even then was worried about disappointing him with the game (or lack thereof) when we just teamed up. Ultimately however it was a massive help - having someone to be accountable to, inspired by, and even just having someone to talk to is massive. Not to mention the banger music

Basically what I'm trying to say is that this stuff can be a lot scarier in our mind - best case you make something cool and make great memories, worst case you never talk to your former jam team members again if things go really poorly

[solid imp]

the great thing about jams or hackathons is that it's just a few days so even if you fail it's not like failing a project you spent months or years on. The expectation is that it'll be jank and if it turns into something cool then it'll be a pleasant surprise.

if you do it solo then it's for the experience, if you do it on a team then maybe you'll make some friends along the way but if not then life ain't any different than before the jam.

[unique pawn]

Maybe I'm just thinking too much, but I think the context plays a role. For hackathons, I usually participate in external ones that have no relations with my employer, so I can bury my face after the fact, since no one will remember me. But for this gamejam in particular, we're doing something for a community we have some attachment to

It's not as much pressure as having an entire stream hyped up over your work, but nevertheless I also don't want to be remembered as "the guy who made a shitty game"

[solid imp]

Hmm. I see where you're coming from. My take is that people generally won't remember the bad games, and will probably forget even the good games within 6 months. Also, the only people whose opinion you should value are other participants and they'll be totally understanding if the game doesn't work out because they've all been there (myself included).

It's a slightly different story if you're publishing the game on Steam or something, but for a game you made in 3 days and put on itch, it's no biggie to push a bad game. And if you don't like what you made that much you can always remove it from itch after the fact or keep working on it until you're satisfied.

Usually it's still worth pushing an incomplete game because that's how you get feedback and gain a better understanding of the full game jam process.

[short lion]

I kinda get that too, after all we're here because we're emotionally invested in Neuro and the Vedalverse but at the same time looking back I don't think anybody has any issue with the meme submissions ("Cats and Boots" was fun) or first time jam submissions or their creators

[solid imp]

And sometimes you'd be surprised that a game you made and dislike might be enjoyed by others.

[short lion]

That's true, or that people enjoy your game for reasons you might have not expected

[solid imp]

It's kind of like art.

[unique pawn]

Yeah, I'm really happy with how everyone interacted with one another in this jam. Really nice people (this is hindsight though)

[solid imp]

To pivot, I'm still working on my game btw. I've been trying to nail down a reliable procedural generation.

One idea that I had but am not sure how to go about is to create an API to let neuro 'see' and 'interact' with the world.

Mostly in regards to making it easy to actually use.

I think the reality is that we'd need Vedal to give us a 'Neuro API' that we can plug into our games.

[candid mason]

How do you think my team feels. I hope people didn't expect our game to be good just because we had a lot of people. Shit @graceful vigil & @limpid tapir who were actually implementing the mechanics during that time had never really touched unreal engine before that, and @void horizon who did most of the level designing (with like no assets because we didn't have time to decorate mind you ) also hadn't touched it before (I think, I could be wrong tho).

A lot of it is my fault though. I've never managed/made a team before

[void horizon]

Yep, was my first time working in Unreal

[candid mason]

Fuckin Gigachad HOLY

I remember you and the others complaining about getting it installed

[void horizon]

I liked how Paccha thought she would have time to work on 2 projects at a time

[candid mason]

Paccha gave us the sweet concept art though

Wait I'll post it

We are still working on the game btw, if anyone wishes to join the team shoot me a DM. No experience necessary, just need to be willing to learn something (trust me it's much more fun learning from scratch with people as opposed to doing it alone).

Oh shit and this wasn't added in time either

But

@storm lake

Bocchi the Glock

or Bocchi the M1911 if you want to be more accurate

[south swallow]

(use recommended optics for your expected engagement range if you want to be more accurate)

[candid mason]

Add an extra day of dev time to both model and implement it in unreal

Again I'd like to think everyone on team Blue Gym Bag of Doom for there hard work during the Game Jam,

Truly I hope I can continue to show off the fruits of their efforts in the future.

[sweet sierra]

this gamejam made it the best winter holidays for me
I absolutely love the team I happened to be in and I was so lucky to see that post from NotRusty (NotBot) in the community tab on itch
not only I loved making music for our game but also seeing how the game was made to its final form with all the progress and work everyone in the team has done
these few days were really productive and I'd really like to work with my team again

[wild forge]

I was really happy with how this jam went, I'm used to solo work so cooperating wasn't that high on my agenda. I originally wasn't going to join the jam, but wanted to try out something similar to it. As the dominos fell about wanting to be a part of this I eventually decided to join. I already had the idea of wanting to do some form of terminal interface but didn't quite know what (or how) to do it.

The jam was constricting in terms of dev work here (I mean that is a skill issue for creating a custom terminal engine (Made from empty file and a bit of google); tooling, and graphics (until literally the end, and by pure chance I fixed a graphical bug causing the terminal to shift up a line randomly for a "frame".) on top of the normal creating a game; bug fixing (so many draw errors); creative work (I wrote all of the messages, and at least half are 1 to 1 with chat's reactions); Art (Granted it was based on the freely available assets at the time, but transposing into useable graphics took a bunch of time); and playtesting (I legit had it just running while coding to catch any errors by lucky chance.)

[tiny laurel]

It was nice meeting you

had fun seeing everyone panic on the last day

[wild forge]

Waking up to an hour left was freaking funny to see. I made sure to double check my submission while everyone panicked.

[tiny laurel]

I did 0 work and still made it on the board

[tiny laurel]

it was part of the fun, im sure everyone enjoyed it

[wild forge]

Surely

[frosty mantle]

She technically did

[cobalt inlet]

Seconding this. Never tried a gamejam before and while I was interested in participating, I didn't know how to do anything (also I thought I'd be solo).

After typing my first 2 messages in this channel, NotBot instantly asked me if I was available and wanted to join his team, and I reluctantly joined (due to thinking I'd be basically useless).
Turns out I learned a lot, contributed more than I expected, and had tons of fun creating our game, so no regrets!

[frosty mantle]

I never expected to even participate, given that I don't have any game dev experience. Darkeew practically insisted that I can be useful, and I ended up as a last barrier between dev and release

[frosty mantle]

Godot 4.3 today?
https://vxtwitter.com/YuriSizov/status/1745188930486411608

[short lion]

Damn, fantastic work everyone I can't imagine what it's like to be a team leader having first time jammers under your wing and to end with such awesome results too

[short lion]

This is the hide and seek game, right? how are you planning to approach procedural generation - do you plan on constructing the level out of pre-made chunks or creating rooms and placing down random furniture? or something else?

[prisma bobcat]

Do you guys have somewhere to track updates? I would love to be up to date about the progress of your team's game.

[grim fjord]

Some time ago they changed release cycle and now it's always about ~3 months long:

1. dev releases - adding new features
2. feature freeze releases (alpha/beta/RC etc.); no new features, only debugging/fixing stuff
3. stable-release
   It's still far to 4.3-stable, this probably will be a 4.3-dev2 build which means.. new features!

[solid imp]

This is my current proc gen algorithm. I think this algorithm may still be useful for another game mode I have in mind, but I want a basic game mode which is basically a house with the basic rooms that a house has which will need to be a bit smarter about the layout and I have a plan in mind. But to answer your question, I plan to procedurally create the building/rooms layout and then fill them with furniture procedurally as well.

[short lion]

Oooooo, that looks really cool :D I love this kind of procedural generation more haha, keeps things more fresh

[solid imp]

Thanks 🙂 I've been experimenting with a few different approaches. This proc gen algorithm in particular led me to think of a cool premise for another game that can use the same assets. To not spoil too much story wise, for reasons, Evil becomes lost in a labyrinth like this and Vedal and Neuro need to save her before the place self destructs. There may also be robots out to get all of you.

[short lion]

That sounds awesome would love to playtest it

[solid imp]

I'll be sure to reach out once it's ready to playtest

[candid mason]

I'll look into adding a changelog on the itch.io page each time we update

There's a new version out now actually btw

[ripe summit]

4.3-dev2 has been out since yesterday on the godot-builds repository

[solid imp]

A cool set of tools that I don't think the Godot team advertises enough include this page and the links at the top of the page. This page lets you see all of the various versions in great detail. https://godotengine.github.io/godot-interactive-changelog/#4.3-dev2

[grim fjord]

Builds are almost always published way before blog posts.
I like reading blog posts first to know what has been added, what is worth to test, what should be avoided and what can break.

[hollow sequoia]

I wonder, has anyone made a video of the summary of Neuro-sama Birthday Game Jam?

[lime plover]

Anyone here want to draw sprites for Neuro for Pizza tower?

[frosty mantle]

https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-3-dev-2/

[frosty mantle]

https://vxtwitter.com/YuriSizov/status/1745521436758856003

Holy

[ripe summit]

whats the difference

[frosty mantle]

Less useless spacing

[ripe summit]

oh.. it makes the seperators between tabs smaller

[frosty mantle]

More screenshots in PR

[ripe summit]

yeah i saw the PR screenshots

[soft totem]

i dont see any diffrence

[grim fjord]

Meantime passivestar:
https://fxtwitter.com/passivestar_/status/1745155295729356967

[zealous oxide]

this is very nice

[frosty mantle]

https://dukope.itch.io/mars-after-midnight/devlog/653705/synthesizing-martian-speech

Lucas is such a gigachad

[frosty mantle]

https://vxtwitter.com/passivestar_/status/1745796211955712304

[grim fjord]

I love tool keyword, it allows you for so much because a lot of stuff is just provided by the editor's API.

[short lion]

That's pretty love editor scripting like that

[frosty mantle]

tfw the Godot editor is actually a Godot game

[frosty mantle]

Pirate Software runs his own Game Jam rn, and I've stumbled upon this gem:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vl7BMvzUOhbunJrI_X1gUc6x-LAp3aaBiPwHUf27B70/edit#heading=h.lr899156xjnx

[prisma bobcat]

https://itch.io/jam/pirate is this his jam? 15 days

Quite long

[frosty mantle]

Yep

But they are going big with submissions

[prisma bobcat]

I have the urge to join... but then I have uni coming up soon and my own project (neuro adventures) I wish to finish

Maybe I make something simple anyways. Always wanted to make a game based around the Swarm spreading.

[ripe summit]

btw if you want to join more gamejams in the future but aren't sure where to find them.
https://itch.io/jams <- on this page there is a time table with future and current running gamejams ranging with all kinds of lengths, unique rules etc.
https://itch.io/jam/mini-jam-150-magic i personally always like working on the mini-jam's since they have it reversed. they give you the theme in advanced and then reveal limitations which add an interesting twist.

[short lion]

I love this

There's the 7 day roguelike jam in two months too which I was thinking of joining... but idk how busy I'd be when it happens, and I don't like that it relies on pre-planning and lacks a theme on the other hand, roguelikes!!

Also for what it counts, the Neuro-jam and the really positive experience rekindled my love for jams

[turbid vault]

I'm having some wild ideas for an Evil birthday game

Gotta level up my Godot skills until then

[unique pawn]

genuinely can't wait to see what you cook

[short lion]

Same

[turbid vault]

hehe

Well, still need to experiment with a few things, it's been ages since I last played with Godot, and I got rusty

[reef coral]

ahhhh

i can't make sprites...

[left hearth]

just buy them in the store? i prefer fanta though

[safe walrus]

i want to

[lime plover]

Gone already

[safe walrus]

naaooooooo9

[hollow sequoia]

I am trying to make a youtube collection to collect Neuro-sama Birthday Game Jam OSTs as well as playthrough videos, since it is very hard to find game jam videos by searching with "neuro-sama birthday game jam" keyword
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8zZYwcPVhphv09A2Qd_86EzUk3Nn_HXX

[mystic kindle]

https://youtu.be/UlSkEOXcab8
Jammers go create games with brand new Blender Engine

[grim fjord]

Years, years ago before the Fire Nation attacked, Blender was a game engine too. However Godot became a thing and they decided to stop wasting resources on their engine and instead Blender devs fully focused on the 3D aspect/modelling. They stopped working on this game engine module (they removed it entirely from Blender in 2019) and now as an alternative they are advising to use Godot Engine instead.

[mystic kindle]

Ik

Create a game with new geometry node

[proper palm]

Our OST is here
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhF3ai_WYyYaYPe-aWLfMK4KnP9k8wAhg

(Although it's a tad modified from what it's like in-game)

[austere bridge]

Our OST is here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfpaT8XE_ZQ

Excluding the main menu OST, but that was added post-jam

[frozen heron]

Blender Game Engine still exists, but as a fork

look up UPBGE

[south swallow]

https://youtu.be/5O02gpI5zo8

[sweet sierra]

it's already in the list, I believe

[turbid vault]

A month ago I didn't think I would be learning animation
and now here I am, doing the baby steps
This will be fun

[south swallow]

^^

[inner imp]

walking

[mighty cliff]

it aint drawing anything on the screen

the menu does work so idk whats wrong

menu:

if you're wondering why it isnt in a loop, its cuz of this:

OpenGL is shattering my brain

i hope someone here can help

if you need screenshots of other code just @ me

i guess i shoul post this in programming instead

[ember horizon]

gamemaker? 😄

[inner imp]

p

correct

[zealous oxide]

cursed input system

[fiery merlin]

There's move_and_collide if you didn't know

[soft totem]

gl

why

[native dagger]

Hi

[feral quarry]

btw did anyone else find this bug?
movement tech

[frosty mantle]

Vedal never be ballin

[hardy fiber]

lmao speedrunning the game any%

[hidden herald]

vedal after he heard that there is not just Neuro, but also rum on the other side

[inner imp]

correct but move_and_collide has weird collision properties so i just don't use it

move and collide is also slower than my method so there isn't really any reason to use it

2-3 times slower

[fiery merlin]

theres a few things it does that it doesn't look like yours does, like moving as close to the wall as possible before stopping and handling things that aren't squares, but I guess if you don't need those it's fine

stopping 1 pixel away from the wall is probably not that noticeable anyway, it's more important with higher speeds

[full vale]

I'm literally stuck in the @proper palm Game 😢

[grizzled hazel]

A little WIP for a Level Selection Menu

[prisma bobcat]

Anyone here willing to playtest for me

https://kotgedev.itch.io/neuro-adventures

[south swallow]

numbers?

enemies spawn close to the player unannounced

chicken bake heals nuro until next hit (visual only ig)

and doesn't heal the CP until next hit (again, visual only)

[prisma bobcat]

Unsure why that is happening, since health is updated before the visuals

Oh unless you mean the visuals are only updated until after a hit

[south swallow]

cookie is ok

[prisma bobcat]

The "shake" happens for both gaining and loosing health so I'll have to fix that

[prisma bobcat]

(Chicken Bake)

[prisma bobcat]

I should also add that

[hollow sequoia]

The "Say it back" is useless, after choosing this Vedal is slain by Neuro

[south swallow]

see nuru health

[prisma bobcat]

Ok I think thats broken

[south swallow]

that's the chicken bake

the upgrades menu is unrelated

[prisma bobcat]

Ill try replicating

[prisma bobcat]

It should increase damage in exchanging for Neuro wanting to be closer to you. But, since Neuro also deals damage to you, you have to make sure Neuro's blades are facing the other direction always.

[prisma bobcat]

Ok well I am really dumb

I'm updating the AI health visuals for both cookies and creggs

[south swallow]

happens

[prisma bobcat]

Welp thanks for the finding. Fixed for next update.

[hollow sequoia]

Just realize the direction of both rum and blades are controlled by mouse

[prisma bobcat]

Maybe I should change cursor look so it looks like a target

[hollow sequoia]

My best gameplay currently

Maybe adding a score to the game

[inner imp]

this is true yes but since the world is grid based it always stops perfectly anyway

[grizzled hazel]

this game is great, very fun and replayable. One thing is that I press retry a few times when I pause because my first instinct to press the top button to resume. That might just be me but having both the escape and resume button would be nice QOL. Also, the funny upgrade texts is a very nice touch.

[south swallow]

btw I thing adding shadows would add a lot of visual depth

like just a circle on the bottom of the sprites

[turbid vault]

played around with animation a bit more

[manic pond]

Looks good there a bit of a jump from frames to frame during the walking frames but it looks amazing

[crimson latch]

This channel is still open?

[mighty cliff]

yep

idk why

some of use are still working on / fixing our games tho

[hushed spire]

New game jam incoming

[deft kayak]

its a conspiracy

[sullen wind]

Keep Neuro games coming

[inner imp]

i think this is the single worst piece of code i have ever written

[frosty mantle]

Early returns will make this code more bearable btw

Also there are some parts of the code that can be extracted to a variable

[inner imp]

there's a lot that i should've used variables or macros for lol

reviewing old code is fun

lets me see what i've learned and make fun of what i used to do

[frosty mantle]

10-21 lines can be cut in half

[zenith geyser]

avoiding indented if statements when possible is always (ok maybe not always) a good practice

[inner imp]

no it definitely isn't a good practice in this case

for small one lines yeah but these are not small

[long anvil]

just fell on my knees at a walmart

[inner imp]

lmao

[long anvil]

those 0.6 and 0.2s are crazy

why no constants 😭

[inner imp]

old code i never used constants

ever

and i avoided using variables as much as possible

for some reason

[native dagger]

Why is it bad?

[proper palm]

(IMO) Not using guard clauses, repeated code that could be taken out into functions or variables, lines that are too long, magic numbers

Biggest one for me is lack of guard clauses

[native dagger]

Probably I would do all of those mistakes

I'm not a programmer

I just came here to see what this chat was about yk

Honestly I first thought it was for asking ppl to play games

Bc of the "game" in the channel name

[buoyant mango]

this is so cool

[turbid vault]

*sad evil noises*

[bright dome]

does anybody know whether colliders work in editor in godot? i've been trying to use raycasts, but don't seem to detect colliders(they work when running project)

[frosty mantle]

Game scripts are not working in the editor (unless you add @tool directive that is)

Same for other stuff, like collisions and such

[bright dome]

i use @tool for raycasts method and they work by themselves, the issue is with collsions and they are not working, oh well, i guess i'll just get inspired by proton scatter plugin and see how it works

[frosty mantle]

Speaking of Godot, took around 10 minutes to make a scene that loads the images and makes them into the cutscene storyboard in runtime.
Godot is freaking amazing.

[reef coral]

i got a dumb game idea that i have no clue how to execute.... (still learning )

[fading mirage]

yea..... uh

[fading mirage]

admittedly, I don't know if it has any impact on performance but... I tend to stray away from having multiple lines that essentially do the same thing for different cases

if(instance_exists(pEnemy)) {
    var inst = nearestInstance(pEnemy);
    if(instance_exists(inst)) {
        if(distance_to_object(inst) <= 40 + (global.items[? "chain"] - 1) * 5) {
            var isCrit = (random(100) <= global.player.critChance)
            var calc = chainDmg * (0.6 + 0.2 * global.items[? "chain"])
            
            part_type_scale(global.pChain, 1, 1);
            part_particles_create(global.pSystem, inst.x, inst.y, global.pChain, 1);
            
            if(global.items[? "crowbar"] > 0 && inst.ho >= inst.maxHp * 0.9)
                calc *= (1 + global.items[? "crowbar"]);
                
            if(isCrit) {
                inst.hp -= damageCrit(calc / global.player.dmg, inst.id, noone, c_aqua);
                effect_create_layer("Instances", ef_flare, inst.x, inst.y, 0, c_red);
            } else {
                inst.hp -= damage(calc / global.player.dmg, inst.id, noone, c_aqua);
            }
        }
    }
}```

[reef coral]

Auughgh

I'm trying to make a drag and drop interaction thing that can do certain things

like if you want to defend, you drag the defend item to an empty slot...

Gonna have to learn more

[frosty mantle]

https://kenney.nl/assets/input-prompts

[short lion]

Adding some trails to Neuro's Lost and Found Kingdom as well as some other post jam fixes

[visual steeple]

Another CC0 button prompt set on the internet, for those interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6GtGbI-now -> https://thoseawesomeguys.com/prompts/

The video is nice too, as it goes into detail into the art of mapping actions to keys.

[polar needle]

Post jam major update https://noobmcnoobly.itch.io/neural-ghost Would appreciate some feedback. Tutorial in description. Dev log below detailing some of the past two weeks. where neur

[prisma bobcat]

Ill try it out in like 7 hrs when im back home

[prisma bobcat]

I think there is a bug that causes the character run animation to continue playing even when the cahracter is not moving.

[polar needle]

Is it the ghost moving toward a memory or the mind moving toward the shadow? They move very slowly if the target is far away. In any case, I see how it would seem broken... not sure how to improve that. 🤔

[short lion]

Did a tiny post jam update yesterday https://superobot1.itch.io/neuros-lost-and-found-kingdom mostly effects and minor improvements. Have some plans to flesh it out more with new content but idk if I should do that... or work on another neuro fan game sometime

[mighty cliff]

this music is living rent free in my mind since the game jam xd

[brazen marlin]

Same

[shadow osprey]

😦

[short lion]

Tyyyyy I'll pass your kind words it to tieff been listening to it a bunch since the jam, got the youtube version on a loop xddd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JePEa_YVZpc

[frozen jolt]

So which game won the whole game jam thing

It's been 20 days

[south swallow]

https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/results

[grim fjord]

Sorry for late response but there might a chance this issue is related to yours:
https://github.com/godotengine/godot/issues/82912

[bright dome]

Thanks for the help! Although i already gave up on making own plugin and i'm just using proton scatter for now, but I may try again in future

[proper palm]

oh yeah I still need to do that

[soft totem]

OH yea

i need to add more content to either

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thumbs-up-cat-thumbs-up-meme-stock-image-gif-27117830

GeYm DeVeLoPeR

[crimson latch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nonsense-anime-catgirl-gif-22850739

[frosty mantle]

https://vxtwitter.com/spimortdev/status/1750323512580137429

This is cool

[soft totem]

petition to rename game-jam to game-dev

[frosty mantle]

2 messages a day in average...

[short lion]

RIP, it was nice knowing you #2023-game-jam

In other news I worked a bit on a water shader recently

Though it looks a bit funky here

Was thinking of cooking something with it

[soft totem]

yes

[soft totem]

gj

i am smashing my brain in trying to figure out why the FUCK tmp settext dosent support using strings

[short lion]

(Worked on = just copied a tutorial 😔 )

[soft totem]

meanwhile its spossed to

[ember trellis]

just use vectores

[soft totem]

no

i want to set text

DYNAMICALLY

[fleet sun]

I stopped working on my jam entry so... x.x

[soft totem]

and howtf would vectors help with text

[ember trellis]

vector of chars

[soft totem]

no god

NO GOD PLEASE NO

[ember trellis]

And chars you'll have to set
Via hex

[soft totem]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-persona5-morgana-catfish-mona-gif-22879397

[ember trellis]

and talking about original question
ask chatgpt or something

[soft totem]

stackiesoverflowies

chatgpt makes bad reccomendations

[ember trellis]

Eh, i did a sememster of python coding with it

[soft totem]

py

i can pull that crud outta my butt

or atleast

sometimes

[ember trellis]

it was the uhh...

neural shit

[frigid mist]

know that feeling and then I get sidetracked by my other stuff

[crimson latch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1155560087717421167/1155560087834853416/NeuroNoodles.gif?ex=6519afb2&is=65185e32&hm=e0902e61716c5ed7cf75884ebc409fc39e2e83a18adab8b861d2a82c745f0bff&

[ember horizon]

still no sign of vedal returning, let alone game jam results huh

[prisma bobcat]

https://kotgedev.itch.io/neuro-adventures
I've done most of the fixes requested from the last playtesting, so would be nice if I can some feedback again.

[crimson latch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1059569601144442911/1080156182683058247/ayaya.gif

[full vale]

Yeah boy

[short lion]

This is really good

Had like 20 FPS at the end love the mechanic of Neuro chasing you, it makes it pretty unique compared to a regular survivor-like

(Also: Credits button doesn't work and Quit is bugged in web build)

[lime plover]

Credits button doesn't apparently have a function yet

So it's not broken, the functionality just doesn't exist

[short lion]

Showing a dot or a rum reticle on the screen could help a bit since I forgot I could aim the first time I played - Also the music is great

[lime plover]

Did you know there's a thread for this fangame, I put my feedback there for centralization purposes

[short lion]

Yeah maybe I'll post future feedback there

[lime plover]

I'd recommend that. You can probably find it

Or I can link it if you need

[fading mirage]

vedal already decided the winner of the game jam is Quest through the Harrison Temple

||misinformation to summon||

[quartz hatch]

^^

[desert atlas]

Do you played the Tekken 8?

[frosty mantle]

Lol, Pirate Software's game jam had a secret $30k prize pool

[long hinge]

let's hope vedal's game jam doesn't have a secret -$150m prize pool

[frosty mantle]

Actual prize pool: one french fry

[ember horizon]

it does, and vedal won it! congratulations vedal

[prisma bobcat]

Thanks for the feedback! I probably should reduce the amount of enemies in endgame again... the game always lags around that time

[waxen loom]

The game jam's real prize was tricking vedal into saying it back

[visual steeple]

Honestly, Neurotic to the Core won a special prize with that in my book.

[austere bridge]

Certainly was a prize for the cliipers

[mighty cliff]

I got the hang off using python openGL and wanted to upgrade my game from pygame to that, but i think i want to make something else

Something better

More fun and engaging

So ye, im ditching support for my game

It was a good learning experience tho

[short lion]

Next jam theme - making a game based on this awesome art-piece in #mod-announcements

[ebon dust]

whens the neuro gacha game coming

[frigid mist]

hmm temptation but I promised my fren rinzai id be in his. maybe if there's one in march

[shadow orchid]

your wallet after neuro gacha game:

https://tenor.com/view/not-stonks-profit-down-sad-frown-arms-crossed-gif-15684535

[ember horizon]

what would you even gacha for?

[warped orchid]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1197401089247555664/1197401089373372497/IMG_3021.gif

[dire juniper]

I'm almost purely a VOD watcher, so I've been slowly making it through the subathon, and I think Neuro might have actually remembered the name of my gamejam game. [SLAY THE PRINCESS SPOILERS]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2021117726?t=05h47m32s

[queen stratus]

Cool. That just shows Neuro's new memory abilities.

[ember horizon]

man, its just inching ever closer and closer

at this point im just checking the stats every few days again just to see if it ever makes it

[short lion]

If you missed it, Vedal said he'll mention the jam results in a future stream #neurotic-neurons message

[tiny laurel]

Maybe he’ll look at top ten for each category

[ember horizon]

oh hype

[proper palm]

He said "probably"

[ember horizon]

oh probably hype

[short lion]

It's over Neurobros...

[crimson latch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1059569601144442911/1083765076122665130/2023-2-10_9-53-59.gif

[ripe musk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/469328451862659124/1202319803289976922/evil_tricksho.gif

[soft totem]

neurokill

[ember horizon]

lol went to use our game jam sprites as a placeholder to test formatting a dialogue system, totally forgot anny was originally drawn to be taller than neuro

[frosty mantle]

Not canon

[ember horizon]

im pretty sure i solved the issue by just physically placing the sprite lower so they would seem the same height

[late condor]

omg cute

[gray ferry]

Naaaw what a cute treated Nwero XD

[deft dirge]

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[turbid vault]

gameplay: 0%
graphics: 0%
music: 0%
but
I have a

gotta make the rest of the game now I guess

[frosty mantle]

inb4 the game is a one big cutscene file

Wait, that happened already

[surreal walrus]

[frosty mantle]

https://dev.twitch.tv/docs/game-engine-plugins/

[austere bridge]

No Godot plugin. Pain

[frosty mantle]

Shouldn't be too bad to re-implement on GDScript

[mighty cliff]

No python plugin. Pain

[ripe summit]

there are already twitch plugins for godot and python. i think this one is just official

[grim fjord]

If it supports C# or C++ you can already use it with Godot.

[long hinge]

not really, because it's using native engine libraries

[grim fjord]

This looks like a good workable alternative if just chat integration is good enough to meet your needs.
https://github.com/issork/gift

[frosty mantle]

Starter Kit for Godot with CC0 assets
https://github.com/KenneyNL/Starter-Kit-Basic-Scene

[short lion]

https://fxtwitter.com/aseprite/status/1754930879946780908

Asprite is on sale for only 10 dolla

If you're into pixel art it's a very widely used tool

I was actually considering getting Asprite before the jam but ended up drawing my pixel art in Krita

[frosty mantle]

https://www.piskelapp.com/ ftw

[plain oxide]

https://libresprite.github.io/ this is also good

[frosty mantle]

Also this https://orama-interactive.itch.io/pixelorama

[short lion]

This one is really nice

Might be worthwhile posting about deals here in the future just to find out about great alternatives

Going to try out all of them this weekend

[prisma bobcat]

Wasnt this like made in Godot. I think I saw it somewhere in a Godot forum

But I use aseprite mainly because all the pixel art tutorials are in aseprite

[frosty mantle]

Yep

[soft totem]

ffs trello

[soft totem]

https://github.com/Chasnah7/aseprite-build-script 👍

[prisma bobcat]

Anyone know what "Physics Time" means?

This is the Godot profiler btw

[ember trellis]

Time spent simulating physics?

[prisma bobcat]

Also I'm getting a lot of lag when a lot of Area2Ds overlap each other, (~500) but they aren't supposed to interact with each other (They all target a different layer). Anyone know why this might be the case? I thought if things were in differing Physics layers they just don't interact at all and shouldn't consume FPS.

[frosty mantle]

There is a separate frame-independent loop that resolves internal physics.

[prisma bobcat]

Finally anyone know the difference between Physics Time and Physics 2D?

[prisma bobcat]

That makes sense, since there is a separate Physics Fram Time.

[frosty mantle]

I suppose, it is just a separate profiler for 2D physics only

[frosty mantle]

https://www.humblebundle.com/software/melodic-mayhem-comprehensive-audio-and-music-bundle-software?partner=gamingonlinux

[prisma bobcat]

I got their other music bundle, pretty good music / sfx.

[mighty cliff]

this was what i made for the game jam

this is what ive been working on since then

gamejam project uses python with pygame, new project uses python with pyOpenGL

used to be limited to 80fps but on the new one i get 500fps (ryzen 7 5700g, 3060ti)

i used to type the vertex models myself but for since im using openGL i decided to use .obj models.
and today i finished importing gltf models which would allow me to do skeletal animations and such

so ye, wanted to update yall on what ive been doing

[polar sorrel]

Is the game-jam going to be reoccurring or was it a one in done type of thing?

[frosty mantle]

I hope so

[soft totem]

me too

[past path]

would love future game jams

[ember horizon]

i hope so too, tho i would hope theyd be resolved quicker if so

[crimson latch]

The better question would be: are neuro streams a reoccurring thing or not

(Joke)

I miss my lil goofy ball

[mighty cliff]

vedal made himself an icon in the vtube community and now he can just play on other vtubers' stream if he feels like it.
pro gamer move

[turbid vault]

early sneak peek

[ember horizon]

it happened! wooooooooo

[grim fjord]

Aseprite is free if you compile it from source on github.

[stone pendant]

Hey all. I want to try making a visual novel. Is Renpy hard to get into as someone with 0 programming experience or would I be better off getting a visual novel maker off steam or something?

[frosty mantle]

Renpy is actually the easiest way to go around when it comes to VNs. And Python is not that hard of a language for beginners.

[fleet sun]

If you don't want to code I guess you could use rpg maker.

[lunar wharf]

Rpg maxer XP was free on steam the other day, might still be

[frosty mantle]

Still free until February 19th

https://store.steampowered.com/app/235900/RPG_Maker_XP/

Steam

RPG Maker XP

RPG MAKER lets you create an original role-playing game without any prior specialized knowledge or training. RPG MAKER XP is full of the functions you've been asking for, including game data encryption and a scripting feature that lets you change the very heart of the RPG MAKER engine.

Price

$2.49

Recommendations

920

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Also wtf is this naming scheme? XP, MZ, MV, VX...

[pulsar summit]

when you try too hard to be roman but dont get it

[fleet sun]

If you want to make a visual novel with rpg maker xp (quick tutorial):
In the database (it's left to the green play button) set the character graphics to none, close the window ---> create an event anywhere (make sure you have the right layer, it's right to the red X button), set the event trigger to parallel process (so it runs as soon as it can), create a new event command, you will only need to work with the first and second page, in the second page click show picture each number will represent an image and you will have to delete them later, also erase the event itself after you don't use it so it doesn't run again, you could also use different rooms or the same room with events triggered by switches or variables.
You can use show text and show choices for the dialogue obviously.
Lastly, you need to add your images to the materials (it's beside the database), in pictures you import any image and you are good to go.

[stone pendant]

Ty all. Ima try both renpy and rpg makerxp and see what I like better.

[visual steeple]

If you feel like taking a risk and playing around with an 'alpha' version of a godot extension, there is this template https://github.com/dialogic-godot/visual-novel-template which uses dialogic (https://dialogic-docs.coppolaemilio.com/) which looks like it is quite nice.

[ripe summit]

Dialogic is great. it works totally fine and is easily extensible. It doesn't have every feature... but if you also want to get into general game dev, i can totally recommend it

[fresh siren]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3148612467 not sure if this should go here but I've made a Slay the Spire character mod of Neuro-Sama if anyone wants to check it out^^

[ember horizon]

tfw cant find a placeholder slime sprite to use, but you realize vedal looks quite similar in color and shape

[gray ferry]

Omg it's a reincarnated as a fridge crossover

[frosty mantle]

https://www.slynyrd.com/blog/2018/2/15/pixelblog-2-texture

[short lion]

This is so good, ty for sharing it CJ!!

[frosty mantle]

https://steamcommunity.com/games/596420/announcements/detail/7745698166044243233

[sullen wind]

Huh, I thought Steam Audio was already open source. Unless it was just the SDK for linking the libraries.

[frosty mantle]

https://medium.com/@simon.nordon/unity-case-study-vampire-survivors-806eed11bebb

[ripe summit]

honestly.. i don't like this article from reading through it just now.
Its not only using decompiled code so the actual work code structure is different, It also shows how not important clean code it. If it works and its a fun game noone will care how it looks behind the scene.
And yet this article shames them for not having a clean code base.

[frosty mantle]

I don't think that construct with 23 arguments is exactly clean, even without knowing that Zenject is already used.

Also, Unity .NET assemblies are not that far from the original code in structure, if not almost identical.

[ripe summit]

but thats what i'm saying... its garbage code, really ugly. and yet it didn't matter

vampire survivors was a giant hit, created a whole new genre of games

[frosty mantle]

It doesn't mean that the codebase is perfect

[ripe summit]

the article says its something terrible and should be avoided.. but in real life it really didn't matter

[frosty mantle]

It is subjective anyway.

[ripe summit]

all i'm saying is that the article shames them for their code structure...

and that i don't like the article because of that.. since clean code doesn't matter as long as it works

[frosty mantle]

I'd say VS (and Undertale for that matter) are outliers. There are plenty of good games that were ruined by bad code.

[ripe summit]

which ones?

i can't think of a single one

[frosty mantle]

PC port of Batman Arkham Knight, for example

Every Battlefield game on release

[ripe summit]

well... those are not exactly bad code structures...

those are just bad code

thats different

[frosty mantle]

I think those are interconnected in more than one way

[ripe summit]

we are talking about structuring the code for scalabilty

and ease of use

[frosty mantle]

Bad code practices produce bad code structure
Bad code structure produces bad code to support it

[ripe summit]

eh.. i would actually dissagree. especially for the pc port of arkham knight.. they just did a terrible job. you can't say bad code is bad because a single company screwed up

[frosty mantle]

That's why I am saying that those above are outliers.

[ripe summit]

i feel like the bad examples you gave are the outliers

not undertale and VS

[unique pawn]

Forgive me folks, I'm not a game dev so I'm ignorant about this for the most part.

I'd think, at least for games, that writing good code is overshadowed by higher priority tasks like art, sound and time to market?

I feel like those are the things that really matter in the eyes of a game dev trying to get their game played (thereby earning revenue).

[ember trellis]

You can make the best looking world, characters, story might be one of the kind
If you game doesn't launch, nobody cares

[unique pawn]

For indies as well, there's also the pressure of fulfilling promises in a reasonable timeframe. Think it's just hard to emphasize on writing good code when livelihood is on the line

[ember trellis]

Also there is a reason why there are lot of different people working on games

[ripe summit]

a good game is a good game. thats all that matters.
if the code behind that game is garbage but it works perfectly fine, then thats all that matters

[ripe summit]

there are many examples of very good games by a single person. latest example Lethal Company

[ember trellis]

And at the same time, there are plenty of games with hundreds people working on it, getting flopped just because it runs like shit
But i guess mostly it's due to original design from exec managers that ruin games

[ripe summit]

but again. the code structure is not at fault there. i can promise you that big studios have some of the cleanest code you will find in production.
And that just shows how irrelevant that is in reality. people can write bad clean code. but indie devs and such shouldn't take too much time from actually adding new stuff and try to make the cleanest code possible because it won't matter

[ember trellis]

it's not about clean code but rather good code. Nobody sees clean code (with exceptions i guess), but good/bad is instantly noticable

[ripe summit]

but thats what i'm saying...

this all started by me saying that the article linked shouldn't be taken serious

because it shamed Vampire survivors for having bad code structure

[ember trellis]

didn't even read the article

oh like that... i thought about buggy code

[ripe summit]

you can always have bugs. thats why the code structure isn't important

the only time its important is if you work with a ton of people and just want to make it easier to change things

[ember trellis]

It's just,
Bad code for me is the buggy code, rest is managable

You can always reverse engineer poorly written working code. If said code doesn't even do what it's supposed to, it's much worse

[frosty mantle]

I remember how one of the higher-up engineers for Halo Infinite said that their engine was a piece of shit with tons of fuckery just to make it work. Cannot find the source, actually.

[ripe summit]

but that would again proof my point no?

[frosty mantle]

You're saying this like code itself and code structure are completely separate from each other.

One influences the other, they are not separate.

[ripe summit]

all i'm saying is that bad code structure does not alone result in bad games.
that indie devs shouldn't take time away from developing the game just to clean up the code because that wouldn't make much of a difference, if you feel like its slowing down your progress then sure, clean it up.
but you shouldn't have the mindset that you got to use dependency injections etc. to get a working game on market

you can write the best game ever and have the worst code design.
you can write the worst game ever and have the best code design.

they are very much not dependant on eachother

[frosty mantle]

Well, if we look back to the article again, it would be disingenuous to talk about the code if we use a decompiled code. But, we can talk about the code structure, because it is pretty much the same even when decompiled in this case.

Code structure influences your code in a big way. It practically changes how you write the same code with different structures. You cannot separate code structure from the code itself, it won't be the same.

Yes, you cannot say that your code is shit entirely because you've structured it like that. But, at the same time, you could've structured your code differently and have a better code.

[ripe summit]

maybe we should just stop discussing this... all i said is that the article is dumb. because it downplayed how good vampire survivors is despite its bad code structure

[frosty mantle]

Vampire Survivors is obviously a great game, and having a clean codebase has no weighing on whether a game is successful, and probably more times than not, prevents it.

[ripe summit]

where did it say that...

maybe i missed it

[frosty mantle]

Third to last paragraph

[ripe summit]

the one paragraph i skimmed over

i just felt like linking to that kind of article could lead to people thinking they need a clean code architecture even tho thats not true

[frosty mantle]

I assume it is a nightmare to support anyway

I like to organize my code in a specific way, so when I refactor big stuff, I can just move the piece of code around, and it stays practically the same.

I can definitely say that my code structure defines how I write the code.

[ripe summit]

well ofcourse.. everyone has their preferred patterns and such how they like to write code. You just should work with how you think is the best for you instead of trying really hard to get "clean" code in the end

trying to force dependency injection and such into projects just because you heard its a good pattern, isn't a good choice on how to spend your time.

unless you want to try it out and learn why people use it. i mean like in games you want to finish basically, not side-projects and such

[zealous oxide]

20 layers of abstraction is a requirement

[ember horizon]

i think one thing to keep in mind about clean code is that a lot of indie game devs dont really have a good sense to reign in the scale of their game. they kinda just pile on more and more crap they want to add into their game, and then it gets harder and harder to work with if you weren't keeping it organized. yes some very good games have come out with pretty garbage tier code, but similarly im sure many many people have given up on even launching their games because it became too spaghetti to fix before they reached a point worth releasing.

if you know the limits of what you plan to build, then you can absolutely cut some corners on organization. but if you don't, its always safer to keep things tidy

[ripe summit]

the issue with keeping things clean is that it also takes time and keeping it clean can lead to loosing motivation since you are doing lots of just cleaning instead of doing the fun part.
its a very important balance to keep, between spaghetti and clean code. either extreme has their downside

[ember horizon]

yea thats understandable

im a bit of an outlier cuz i have more fun building the foundations of a game than i do finishing the actual game xD

[ripe summit]

i'm pretty similar tbh.. i like making systems to be used later on. like editor tools or similar instead of adding new features lol

i spend the last few days fixing the renderer/collision system and worked on editor exclusive features to make future development easier. instead of adding new items that i've been wanting to add the past few weeks

[ember horizon]

im actually running into the problem that now that i got all the base done, my motivation to make the game feel like a game is tanking LOL

[ripe summit]

tell that to my past 50 projects...

such a classic problem

[ember horizon]

half of why im allergic to finishing projects is my lack of skill in anything but coding i suppose

this projects kinda too big for me to sign on my current artist, hes good but hes relatively casual time investment-wise

[ripe summit]

you don't need much else than that... i recommend maybe reading through this site: https://develop.games

one thing that makes me stay with a project is if there is a bigger goal with it. and also not doing too much at once, like not forcing yourself to work on it.
makes it less likely that you'll burn out from it. I've been working for the past 4 months on a project and i still got similar motivation to keep working on it

[ember horizon]

yea i can make games with garbage tier art and all, but it just doesnt feel the same when errybody running around as little rectangles like so

[ripe summit]

i mean.. even with those graphics you can totally get a good game feel going

[ember horizon]

i guess what im saying is, im happy to build the game and feel it out like this, but if i get to release i absoutely want proper graphics. but the possibility that i wont be able to find anyone to make said graphics makes me worry a bit that im wasting my time in that regard

[ripe summit]

i can guarantee that you'll find someone willing to do the art...

[ember horizon]

i guess i should stop just trudging along building anything i can think of needing, and actually properly plan a little bit. cuz the reason im getting stuck i think is just that idk what the next step is. so some proper planning would likely help

[ripe summit]

look at the website that i linked. in the "picking a genre" section it talks about exactly that

[ember horizon]

but what if im allergic to GDD 😎

🤮

[ripe summit]

then use github issues and just lay out all the features you want

or use a excel table

or a txt file

or anything to write down your thoughts

[gleaming temple]

[frosty mantle]

https://torcado.com/cleanEdge/

[proper palm]

anyone have a switch pro controller?

[mighty cliff]

yes?

[proper palm]

i have a build of our game that i wanted to test with a switch pro and a playstation controller before uploading to itch

[mighty cliff]

im geussing you want me to test it?

i also have playstation controllers btw

[mighty cliff]

or not

[proper palm]

sorry i forgot to reply!

i can send a build soon i'm almost done finishing some stuff up

[languid dune]

huh?

[mighty cliff]

I wont be able to test that soon
Soonest is in 12 hours.

If someone else with switch pro controller is available just send it to them

[proper palm]

Well "soon" for me is usually like a few days :))

[unique pawn]

knowing alex it could also be in the next 30 mins

[frosty mantle]

Grab assets worth of $20 for FREE
https://kenney.itch.io/kenney-game-assets (only today)

[mighty cliff]

good, cuz i forgot

[mighty cliff]

Thanks my dude

[short lion]

Used this one for the jam, it's great

[proper palm]

are you still able to help? :)
i have a build here, i just wanted to make sure that the input prompts appear for ps/switchpro controllers and that the buttons work

[mighty cliff]

Im at school rn, sorry

I can in 9 hours

[frosty mantle]

https://datagoblin.itch.io/monogram

[frosty mantle]

https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-3-dev-4/

Oh god, stop teasing me

[bright dome]

this is nice

[mighty cliff]

Il get on it

these ui buttons dont work

selecting which one you want to press works, but not a single of the pro controller buttons activate these UI buttons

press any key to begin did work tho

[proper palm]

Does it work with the playstation controller?

[mighty cliff]

il check

yep

cconnecting the ps3 controller crashed the game lol

not really an isue relevant enough to fix tho

ye ps3 just straight up doesnt work

in game the movement and all works on all controllers

so ps4, 5 and pro controller

[mighty cliff]

this puzzle is pretty easy now that you can just press x and O at the same time

also, just me or is that puzle difrent?

i did a small oepsie

welp, good game

i dont understand why people said it was difficult tho?

[proper palm]

the game jam version had some puzzles which were a bit unintuitive

[mighty cliff]

didnt have that much time to play in game jam

mostly played small games and worked on my own project

[proper palm]

does the pause menu work?

[mighty cliff]

i think so

il restart it

yep, works, but again for switch not the buttons

[proper palm]

so for switch which button would you normally use to click a menu item?

because usually its the south button

but switch reverses a and b

[mighty cliff]

on the switch console the right one

[proper palm]

[mighty cliff]

but im used to pressing bottom

you dont need to change it, ive played a lot of switch games that mimic playsation style

i guess for other people it would be more intuitive tho

[proper palm]

@mighty cliff can you please see if this works with the switch controller?

[mighty cliff]

okay

this works

almost got the rum :(

if anyone else needs to test if controllers work just ping me

got food so bye

[proper palm]

@mighty cliff thanks for helping!

[mighty cliff]

no prob

im the dude that made the 3d game that got flagged as a virus btw

[proper palm]

Yeah I know

[green adder]

Are you developing a fan game ?

[proper palm]

it was for the game jam

[green adder]

OK i might understand...

[mighty cliff]

i am developing a fan game

[tiny laurel]

Is it going to blow us off our feet?

[mighty cliff]

i dont think so

maybe, depends on how low your standarts are

this is ow it looks currently

bad performance is a recording problem

otherwise it runs at 400 fps

all the assets are stolen from google cuz im poor

this is programed in my own engine with pyOpenGL

assets are .obj and .gltf, planning on making everything gltf in the future but no need to rn

i yap a lot in programming channel

[tiny laurel]

Tutel simulator game like goat simulator

[mighty cliff]

after skeletal animations decide to work (ive been trying to make the for 2 weeks) il give guns

gonna put evil on a turret

[mighty cliff]

im not thinking of going that direction but mayhaps in the future

open world will be hard for the python

[tiny laurel]

[eager pivot]