2023-game-jam

[dense reef]

like canvas was

[frosty mantle]

Yes

[dense reef]

yay

[frosty mantle]

It varies between web dev, .NET/C# shenanigans and trying to solve Neuro-sama as an AI construct

[zealous oxide]

was neuro made with pytorch?

[short lion]

To be real, I have no interest in discussing programming with people but I love game dev game dev is also broader than programming - That being said I understand the need to not spam the discord with way too many channels lol

[zealous oxide]

the problem with gamedev is always the art.. i have ideas id love to pursue but see myself at an art roadblock every time

gamejams are an exception because its quick to bring a team together

otherwise no team available

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/964248092297797683.gif?size=64&name=death&quality=lossless

[frosty mantle]

I can program anything myself if I put enough will and energy into it... But assets and initial ideas are my weakest points.

[zealous oxide]

how to program sprites / 3d models / good design

[frosty mantle]

[bright dome]

it's possible to make mesh with scripts, just really time inefficient

[zealous oxide]

[grim fjord]

@frosty mantle
Here is my take on the new channel. Maybe you will find it useful.

On one hand if you are working on the game you could split game dev topics into multiple branches like programming, game design, art, music etc. and for each one you already can get feedback on specific channels:

• programming on #programming,
• game design on the #general-network,
• art on the art forum (just post what you have and ask about opinion),
• music on the.. maybe art forum too? I'm not sure)
• and subbranches like techart probably also can also be put in the art forum?
  But on the other hand that seems to be little too much scattered and random.

Like you can see game dev is not really only about #programming so separated channel for that would be nice.. but I'm not sure if so many people would create Neuro-themed games and creating one more channel for moderation just for few people doesn't seem right. Maybe if it was about game dev in general? But that also seems wrong because programming topics would be split into those 2 channels.

I think the best solution would be:

• to rename #programming into just #development or #dev-help
• or create new channel and call it a #feedback (place where you can get feedback about any your projects not just a game dev related).
  and allow for posting there stuff related to anything that needs feedback, neuro-related or not (web dev projects, games etc.).

[proper palm]

i kinda wanna keep this #2023-game-jam channel separate from #programming and do what @mental slate suggested above

[frosty mantle]

I am not 100% sure the game dev aspect won't die down after the game jam, but I will be fine to be wrong eventually.

If #gamedev channel will prosper I will be happy.

[wooden coral]

you could be the first one to make a neuro plat level

not the first neuro level on gd though

[zealous oxide]

im with alex on this one

[prisma bobcat]

I also support the idea of a game dev channel being kept. More specifically I would love to be updated on game-jam games that will have continued development.

Another reason is that I've made Neuro related games in the past and didn't really have a singular place to talk about them. #programming is where I usually went but then when another topic is being talked about I don't really like interrupting to post about my game.

[zealous oxide]

instead of continuing development of certain games id like to bring together the developpers of various games and make a more long term product

id love to work with people like superbot tbh and others who have made something really innovative (or have before the jam)

[ember horizon]

i find being the only programmer easier than tryna coordinate code with others, but im always down to work with people who do everything else haha

(i dont have anyone for sounds for example)

[short lion]

Unlikely since I'm already pretty occupied in the near and long future with a long term project and side projects, but I definitely want to stay in contact with the amazing people in this jam and maybe ask some for advice too

[short lion]

Also major thank you for the Neuro sprites - my game wouldn't have been the same without them, but also a lot of amazing jam games benefitted a lot from them

[prisma bobcat]

I know threads exists (which is what I did for https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1184879711399190649) but they limit interaction between other game devs and are mainly good for larger, group projects.

[zealous oxide]

i see i just came out of a long term project that me and a wonderful team brought to completion this jam was a meant for me to cope but i just love game dev ig

cant/wont continue development of that because it was a pretty pricey physical installation meant for one big event

(abt 1700$cad)

[grim fjord]

i just came out of a long term project
It's easy to say, extremely hard to acheive. For managing project big like this this you would need entire discord server not just one general game-dev related channel on the vtuber discord.

[zealous oxide]

true

[grim fjord]

I think the best would be to archive this channel and create new one and call it a #feedback. That way you get anything you want, from help to opinion. And if you want to work with someone on something you will contact this person by DM and you will work in separated environment.

[zealous oxide]

i was thinking finding people who wanted to work on something fresh while the topic is hot then moving to a seperate discord

but its tricky

i get that

[short lion]

I just love game dev

[short lion]

To some extent the forums are already used for feedback though... right? like for art and game dev projects like the one KotgeDev posted

[grim fjord]

Making game in 72 hours and making game/project in N months spending some free time on it every day are two entirely different things.
btw. I'm almost sure, from this jam 0 projects will be released in the future. Maybe few people will update their games to fix bugs or something but that's it.

[short lion]

Yeah, but that's not a bad thing. Neuro is niche, it's "only" 122 games (which is statistically low for people to continue development on), not all jam games are meant to become long term projects, etc. At the same time... people might and will use the skills and mechanics from this jam to make cooler things in the future

[grim fjord]

Yup! That's why I mentioned them in my previous long response. Because we have now wip- tags we can use them for feedback for art and music.

[ember horizon]

what do you count as "released"?

all of them are technically released at this point

so what can we do besides update?

[frosty mantle]

Released = realized in its full potential, giving the scope and the time budget

[zealous oxide]

^

[frosty mantle]

Btw remember to use devlog
https://cjmaxik.itch.io/lost-her-mind/devlog/660849/thank-you-and-post-jam-plans

[grim fjord]

You are right.. my wording was bad here.
By "released" I meant a fully fledged project (not necessary the commercial one).

[ember horizon]

ah i see

well i can agree im unlikely to expand on my submission, but thats a bit of a special case because i pretty much designed it around being for a game jam. for example thats why the "gameplay" generally works for the 5 minutes or so most people will try it for, but wouldnt really make sense as a proper game

[frosty mantle]

I used "Prototype" for our game for now.

[mighty cliff]

Aight im 54th popularity, nice.
1pm, im going to bed

[uneven bison]

Same here

[placid vessel]

How do you find your game's popularity?

[brazen marlin]

Sort by Popularity then count I guess

I don't even need to count, since mine's the exact bottom of the list lol

[tacit coral]

lmao mine also sank all the way down

[frozen heron]

cell shading unlocked

(it was already in in the game just didn't use it in the game jam )

[wooden coral]

dude are u fucking kidding me!?

first it was the speedrunning channel now the exouniversal channel!?

[tacit coral]

youtube automod caught your scent

[wooden coral]

appealing again

[tacit coral]

good

[ember horizon]

certainly a rather vague reason as usual

[proper palm]

Do we need another extension on the rating period or not?

[tacit coral]

~300 new ratings since yesterday i think? so seems worth it still

[dense reef]

200

i mean, i dont mind one, but it doesnt seem to be growing anymore

[wooden coral]

i cant rate anyway

which is sad

[dense reef]

avg rating is quite high, 15-20 per game

while the top ones having a bit more

[austere bridge]

A "bit" more? Top rated has 64 lmao. That's quite the gap

[analog sierra]

I'd say when the least rated game is about 2/3 the amount of the highest is when it's safe to stop

But that's just what I think

[ember horizon]

ill be honest, that seems unlikely to happen imo

[tacit coral]

yeah... seems like most folks have stopped rating. I got back about 1/3rd of the ratings I gave out

[ember horizon]

id bet a lot of people dont trust downloads and only rate the browser ones

[analog sierra]

I only downloaded and rated the ones by people I trust

[ember horizon]

its no cooincidence 9/10 most rated games are browser

[short lion]

imo it'd make sense to end it today or extend it by one more day for weekend people and that's about it

I wonder what the median is but we managed to raise the gap between the lowest rated and the median by quite a bit I think

[ember horizon]

i do still think it would be best if there was some way to make sure vedal has access to games "as they were when the jam ended" if he potentially doesnt plan to play em for a while, especially if winner is chosen then

[wooden coral]

that's why i download them so they dont have to

exouniversal was supposed to be that but youtube banned it

[brazen marlin]

I don't think it's that big of a deal if Vedal plays updated ones, they'd be better content

[bright dome]

can you repeal ban?

[wooden coral]

yeah i can but i have to wait 2 days

[ember horizon]

kinda, but it would be lame if he then decided one person won and it was just as good as it was cuz they worked on it for another week after the jam right?

[short lion]

Hmm... the question is - is this for Vedal to play games or for him to rate them or decide on favorite jam entries? for the former I don't think it's that big of a deal (if anything it'd make for less buggy games on stream possibly) for the latter I think it'd be an issue and extending makes a lot of sense in that context.

[uneven bison]

Vedal literally brute forced his way through our game

[short lion]

Erm it's called speedrunning

[ember horizon]

thats a good question hmm

[tacit coral]

we all know he's gonna pick the tower defense anyway

[cursive dawn]

You have unlocked new role

[bright dome]

You have unlocked new role

[short lion]

You have unlocked new role

[frosty mantle]

No.

[ember horizon]

I really do think in the future if vedal does another jam, hes gotta plan out these later parts a bit better

kinda lame for the results to be stuck in limbo

[bright dome]

it would be nice if game-jam is not during subathon

[somber stone]

If vedal does another jam in the future, it will be a lot more tower defense games, and less desktop games

[brazen marlin]

Yeah I didn't watch the subathon at all during the jam

[potent flint]

i've tried your game with my new gpu (rx7800xt) and it's only at 98% usage

but at least this time, the gpu is not at 100°c

[frozen heron]

XD it should be better when we rollout the update

apparently ray-tracing is on by default

[potent flint]

also got stuck on the first door with the gun, could push the block

[somber stone]

That's the true boss of the game

the blue blocks

[frozen heron]

(there was ammo hidden under the floor)

it was not meant to be hidden

[wooden coral]

it hasn't been 2 days bro

my appeal got accepted

[short lion]

Let's go! which channel is that? the one with the speedrun or the one with many videos?

[wooden coral]

one with many videos

i might just take it easy or else youtube will ban me again

[hollow sequoia]

Maybe too many videos were published in a short time

[analog sierra]

Yeah, maybe you should only do like 2 a day

[hidden herald]

extension soontm?

[wooden coral]

game jam will end if i continue at a pace like that

[bright dome]

not if alex will keep extending

[proper palm]

i mean idk if i will do that today or not

it's already been 5 days for ratings

[wraith matrix]

the rating does have to come to an end at some point

mondays are usually dev streams, a good day for playing the entries, but idk if vedal will be able to recover by next monday yet

[placid vessel]

I think it'll be at least a week before another dev stream

maybe he'll do a karaoke or something next wednesday though

[proper palm]

is it helping anyone if i extend it further though

[wraith matrix]

I was imagining that it might be the monday after the next when he'll finish the jam as well

[placid vessel]

personally I'm ok for the voting to end because I want to know my results

[wraith matrix]

how many votes did we have 24h ago? around 3k?

[proper palm]

yeah we had 200 new votes in the past day

[bright dome]

yesterday i didn't get even 1 review so not sure

[placid vessel]

That's pretty good

[wraith matrix]

I imagine that maybe we'd have like 140ish more votes if we extend another 24h in that case

but also a weekend is incoming, so maybe some people will have more time

[proper palm]

Final extension for voting period is <t:1733598000>

[wraith matrix]

honeslty I would have extended to that exact same point

[proper palm]

this just brings it up to 7 days

[proper palm]

results might not necessarily be revealed when the voting period ends, we haven't figured that out yet

[wraith matrix]

exactly

[placid vessel]

oh ok

[wraith matrix]

yeah, something about Vedal also having a say on what his favorites are, and then some combined score between him, the ratings, and maybe some chat input as well

[unique pawn]

this says 7 December 2024 for me

[proper palm]

oh shit

misinput

i meant <t:1704654000>

thought it was still december

[wraith matrix]

I didn't even notice that either lmao

[hidden herald]

huge 2 day deadline increase

[somber stone]

Time for game developing: 3 days
Time for voting: 342 days

[bright dome]

was Finding Neuro your game?

appuwapu plays it now

[wraith matrix]

yes it is

who is appuwapu? o:

[bright dome]

moderator

you can see him on the right

[hidden herald]

has purple status icon, means is streaming right now

[wraith matrix]

poggers

[sullen wind]

I see they've played my game already on one of the previous streams and god I'm so scared of watching the VOD

[bright dome]

he is really nice

[short lion]

Watch it!! it's an educational experience seeing how other people perceive your game and play through it - it'd make you a better designer. Also often what we build up in our mind can be a lot worst than reality

And if you really can't bear to watch it just do it at 2x speed and tell yourself it's not that long that way

[sullen wind]

I know, I just wish I could fix the most obvious issues and difficulty immediately and not after the jam...

[bright dome]

it is what it is

[short lion]

Fix it immediately then on your end and upload it once the rating period ends

[sullen wind]

That's what I'm planning.

[austere bridge]

That's the best way. We've pushed like 54 commits since the end of the jam so that they're ready once voting ends

[hidden herald]

dang

[fleet sun]

I didn't see the lowest rating games increasing in rating but I did see the top rated increasing.

[hidden herald]

i got like, 2 or 3 ratings during the extended period

[fleet sun]

I got like 11, and I'm in 41 right now

[wraith matrix]

the last rating I got was 20h ago

[hidden herald]

Wow, high

[fleet sun]

The most rated is at 64 and the lowest is at 16, the gap got higher with the extended period

[wraith matrix]

luckily the penalty is median-based, not average-based

[hidden herald]

Gaps luckily do not represent the median

[wraith matrix]

it would be funny if camila/anny played my game as well, if the game does well enough. They're both represented in that game xd

[turbid vault]

So I was thinking about whether I should write a postmortem/devlog, but I did in the end: https://shardhash.itch.io/cold-boot/devlog/661005/neuro-jam-2023-postmortem Sorry for the rambling!

[wraith matrix]

I'll likely do a developer playthrough of my game myself, with commentary, so I can go over the development process of the game

might be interesting

[placid vessel]

It's taken three days but I've implemented a main menu
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946498425271234621/1192902624601710662/nuro-credits-test-2024-01-05_18.41.10.mp4?ex=65aac424&is=65984f24&hm=b0e076a7648eba61d0828ee5e657718351600b650531803406443971230b0c7d&

and some totally unfitting music

[frosty mantle]

Her neck is strong holy

[stable onyx]

What's the current median?

[grim fjord]

Median of what? Ratings amount?

[stable onyx]

Ye

[hidden herald]

25

[stable onyx]

I'm safe

...for now

[young solar]

Alex is raising the game jam timer more than chat raised the subathon timer

[frosty mantle]

Not quite accurate

[uneven bison]

The last comment I got was 2 days ago

[young solar]

Yeah after a while it does get a lot more stagnant

[frosty mantle]

That's how it works, yeah

[hidden herald]

with subathon over, i assume traction for gamejam games will also lower

[rotund crystal]

Alright, last time I'll plug this, help us get to the median rating (25)! Both Alex and Appue streamed it if you wanna see gameplay. Thanks for voting!!
https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449431

[proper palm]

@hidden herald are you around?

can you please enable "SharedArrayBuffer support" in your itch.io game settings?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1131877451115528212/1192914135957118986/image.png?ex=65aacedd&is=659859dd&hm=d8586b47a29dfe1a8d8e7fe72ef2b6fbbcdddc3f8aefa83803722dd874284b90&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=514&height=270

[hidden herald]

i am sure that i did

[proper palm]

hmm ok

[hidden herald]

lemme double check though

[hidden herald]

yes its enabled

wouldnt have run otherwise

try another browser?

[visual steeple]

Which game is this?

[hidden herald]

mine, https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2448855

[short lion]

Runs on my mozilla firefox just fine

[visual steeple]

Works fine on firefox for me

[hidden herald]

runs on my chrome

[proper palm]

i kinda need to download the project and run it locally using the itch.io app

[hidden herald]

sadge. is it even downloadable?

[proper palm]

yeah

[frosty mantle]

It only works on the game page, unfortunately. You can have a separate downloadable with the standalone build (but you won't be able to upload it until the voting is over)

[proper palm]

why though that's so dumb

why (and how) does it care what page its on

[frosty mantle]

Browsers

[hidden herald]

hmm

[frosty mantle]

Basically, Spectre happened, and that's why we're here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_(security_vulnerability)

Browsers will only trust the server with certain headers, which the standalone app and the local build cannot provide.

[proper palm]

the standalone app isnt a server though

the standalone app is a client, i.e. a browser

[frosty mantle]

Exaclty

[proper palm]

then

[slow solar]

Ey we making games in here?

[hidden herald]

had cross origin errors in our API backend once, was annoying

[frosty mantle]

Since it is not a server, it cannot provide headers for the browser engine they run inside.

Cross-origin web stuff sucks

[proper palm]

why does it need headers its just a game who gives a shit

[frosty mantle]

This

Nobody gives a shit, that's why you have to opt-in by the worst way possible

[proper palm]

so instead of just opening the html file directly can i start a local server and embed the html as an iframe in there or some shit

[frosty mantle]

Yes

That's dumb, I know. The current web is very dumb.

[proper palm]

i assume i need to reverse engineer that?

[frosty mantle]

I don't think so

Would be nice if you like this post on their forum btw: https://itch.io/t/3405625/godot-4-downloaded-html5-games-dontt-work-in-app

[grim fjord]

If you want to run locally a Godot game exported to html, you can run server using official python script designed specifically for that:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/godotengine/godot/master/platform/web/serve.py
src: https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/tutorials/export/exporting_for_web.html

[frosty mantle]

Yep, seems right

[quartz hatch]

just me tryign to keep my message accurate lmao

[tacit coral]

starting a chrome instance with CORS disabled might work?

[proper palm]

im using the itch.io desktop app

[frosty mantle]

You won't fix it there anyway

[quartz hatch]

lmao i used to have that

[unique pawn]

one of cybersecurity principles is secure defaults, so it can be argued that having it opt-in by default is more secure than opt-out nodders

[proper palm]

i would like to once again express my complaints about how stupid this is and compare it to unity which does not require all this nonsense

[hidden herald]

Wish I could help in some way

[young solar]

What's the problem?

[hidden herald]

I did not continue with the project, I can export a desktop version if that would help and is acceptable

[proper palm]

godot

[proper palm]

nooo no worries, ill use the python script that someone kindly provided above

[proper palm]

thanks, btw

[grim fjord]

np 👍

[young solar]

I want to learn godot, I know unity is better, but I don't know if people trust them as much anymore

[bright dome]

it depends on what kind of game you want to make

[hidden herald]

a lot of ppl went to godot after unity did that weird payment model announcement but they did backpaddle on that

[bright dome]

i did

[hidden herald]

i did start using godot during that time

[young solar]

Just some 2d stuff, nothing fancy

[bright dome]

then godot is perfect

[hidden herald]

I made a godot game communicate with my backend both over API and web socket. was fun project

[young solar]

Has the added benefit of making alex go schizo

[proper palm]

i mean i'm biased in favor of unity cuz i've worked with it for like 7 years

[frosty mantle]

My first proper Godot project is not even a game

[hidden herald]

yea I saw you use godot for UI for the AI project, u mean that?

[young solar]

I used unity in school, but i'm not too invested in either

[bright dome]

i used unity since end of middleschool and now i'm finishing my uni

[young solar]

I still need to get a grip of coding basics first and foremost, that goes for either program

[hidden herald]

Unity has some built in AI tools I am interested in messing around with

[grim fjord]

I'm working professionally with Godot every day and know this engine quite well. Feel free to ask anything you want about this engine. Also I know some bits about Unity too so I can give you comparisons.

[young solar]

Thanks for the offer, but I'm not actively making anything right now, if I ever get a burst of motivation i'll proabably kick it back up again

[visual steeple]

My first time working with Godot was the Neuro-lemmings game I was working on last summer.

[young solar]

If anything just doing random art for it for now

[bright dome]

it was hard transitioning from unity cuz of different workflow, but once you get it, then it's quite fun

[unique pawn]

you guys make games?

[young solar]

I have ideas, not products

[wild swan]

Actual programmers in chat

[hidden herald]

I was a bit sadge that Godot did not accept .gif files. I wanted to add the Nuru emote into my game

i mean i could make an animated 2d sprite but didnt bother

[visual steeple]

I do enough AI related stuff @ work 😄

[frosty mantle]

Convert it to spritesheet and use AnimatedSprite2D

[grim fjord]

Godot UI system is one of the best things in this engine.. so it's pretty normal to use it for something different than games. I mean.. even Tesla is using Godot for their internal software.

[frosty mantle]

I'd say UI system is very lacking in polish

[hidden herald]

yea i would have done that, was just lazy then

[grim fjord]

Are you sure you use it properly?
I mean.. I'm curious why your experience with it was that bad.

[visual steeple]

Agree, it works, but it is a lot of fiddling with offsets & anchors and stuff to get something decent.

[young solar]

> even Tesla is using Godot for their internal software.

Oh shit, time to jump ship

[hidden herald]

godot buttons seemed very easily plug n use

[frosty mantle]

I mean, it works fine until you start to dig in. For example, why you cannot change the size of Spinbox's input?

[grim fjord]

If I remember correctly it's based on the textures. Let me check..

[frosty mantle]

For my game, I had to implement an input filter for LineEdit node, because you cannot change the default size of Spinbox

UI system might be good, but it has so many quirks.

[short lion]

Yes, we had a big game jam last weekend (in pinned messages) and now jammers are rating games and players are checking them out

[grim fjord]

Do you mean those small arrow buttons?

Or just grey area for text?

[frosty mantle]

I mean the text input itself

My main project is mostly UI, so I have a lot of experience with it already.

[hidden herald]

[grim fjord]

I can enlarge it without a problem? Did I miss something?

[frosty mantle]

Try to make it smaller, for one digit input

[young solar]

Sounds like these being smaller is what he's refering to

[frosty mantle]

Basically. This is their minimum size.

Which is very strange and funny

[young solar]

Can you make the text itself bigger and upscale the entire project?

[frosty mantle]

Why?

[young solar]

If you can't make the box smaller, make the text bigger to match a different box

Just random thought

[frosty mantle]

I won't do that for a whole project just because of one input

[young solar]

Wouldn't expect you to, just curious if it's possible

[frosty mantle]

Maybe, but it is a workaround, not a solution

[visual steeple]

Easier solution may be to submit a pull request to Godot (in that case)

[grim fjord]

Oh I see what you mean.. well.. I agree you cannot make is smaller but for the game you really shouldn't make mechanics like that with SpinBox node because this node is not designed for that.

[frosty mantle]

It is stale

[frosty mantle]

Why though? Godot is not only for games though.
Also, I needed it for a Safe code puzzle, so it was a perfect candidate.

LineEdit can change the minimum size, and Spinbox cannot. Inconsistency.

[frosty mantle]

Stale proposal from March: https://github.com/godotengine/godot-proposals/issues/4138

[grim fjord]

Why though? Godot is not only for games though.
I agree and it is dumb that you cannot change size of it.
But this node really is not designed for such stuff you wanted to achive. This node provides almost zero custopization, it's good for debug purposes or just for dev tools or stuff like that. It's simple solution to get something working not something pretty.

In your case I would go with custom solution to make it looks good and to match if with style of the game. You can implement something like that very quicky using built-in focusing system.

[soft totem]

https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449266 guys i wanna play pls join!

[rocky shoal]

2/4

[frosty mantle]

I actually implemented what I need with Spinboxes, the only issue with it was the mininum size.

So I had to fall back to LineEdits

To be completely fair, the process was: one LineEdit for all the digits -> 4 Spinboxes -> 4 LineEdits

[grim fjord]

It was for the safe code right?

[frosty mantle]

Yes

[grim fjord]

You can just make something like this and duplicate it 4 times.

You can add any texture you want for arrows and such and you have full control over that.

[visual steeple]

That does seem like working around a defect of a built-in component though.

[frosty mantle]

Yep

Of course I can do that, but substituting a native element for a separate solution because of one simple oversight is saddening

It actually working would save me some time for the game jam

[grim fjord]

Like I said I agree the min size of the spin box should be smaller but if you are working on the "real" game you will almost never use this node because you cannot customize it much.

[frosty mantle]

Well, I won't use it anymore

By the way, if we discuss Godot issues here, have you ever stumbled upon this bug? It drives me crazy and Godot is the only source of my craziness.
https://github.com/godotengine/godot/issues/75109

Basically, audio output randomly loses frames on unspecified amount of devices and it cannot be reproduced reliably.

[short lion]

We need one more for Harrison temple construction

[grim fjord]

Your issue about size element is mainly about design/visuals.
But functionally this node works pretty well and it's good for prototyping.. just not good if you want something to look nice.

[frosty mantle]

Look, if it works, it works. If it doesn't work, I'll use another thing. Pretty simple.

[visual steeple]

Do you have any fancy audio devices / virtual audio cable with high bitrate or something set up?

[frosty mantle]

No, just my USB DAC with default settings.

The issue is happening with Godot games only.

[soft totem]

yea

[quartz hatch]

hacking

[proper palm]

the rating queue is disabled

[short lion]

If any jammers are here, it'd be cool to try out Harrison Temple construction together - we just need 1 more person to run it https://ih3lp.itch.io/harrison-temple-construction

(match found)

[hidden herald]

[proper palm]

@grim fjord @frosty mantle do any of you happen to know what could be causing this?
I downloaded the serve.py file and ran it in the directory of the project that i want to execute, first of all it opened the browser on 127.0.0.1:8060 which didnt work and i had to manually switch it to localhost:8060 and afterwards the game keeps loading and i get this error message in the console

[frosty mantle]

What files do you have?

[proper palm]

i got past the popup complaining about cors and sharedarraybuffer, now it's just a forever spinning indicator

(im using https://luderu.itch.io/neuros-ram-rescue to test this)

[grim fjord]

Not sure why it's spinning

[quartz hatch]

is someone here trying to bypass CORS or smg?

just start chromium with the args --disable-web-security --user-data-dir --allow-file-access-from-files

and you can do stuff locally

[frosty mantle]

Works for our game

Hm

[frosty mantle]

We have index.side.wasm file, but I don't see it there in the listing.

[bright dome]

can someone rejoin game

[covert badger]

That could also be a server-side thing, one Stack Overflow post said that cross-origin isolation has to be enabled.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/76534128/flask-godot-error-when-serving-html5-game-neterr-blocked-by-response-200-not
Usually I can run web exports locally with this command (navigate to the directory with the game files first) and it works fine:

npx local-web-server --https --cors.embedder-policy "require-corp" --cors.opener-policy "same-origin" --directory .

[short lion]

Are we missing someone?

[frosty mantle]

Already handled by the Python script he mentioned

[grim fjord]

The thing is.. Alex said it works but just for this game it's spinning infinitely

[proper palm]

I didn't say that it works

[hidden herald]

maybe the game just sucks

[covert badger]

Ah, that's kinda odd then...

[grim fjord]

Oh sorry.. wrong person.. it was CJ

[short lion]

Let me exit and rejoin then

[bright dome]

yep

[proper palm]

nah, the game's fine

[bright dome]

appu didn't get in

[frosty mantle]

It has this message even on itch.io, but still works

[short lion]

Also should we be 3 builders and 1 hunter?

[hidden herald]

did i export it wrong?

[grim fjord]

Someone used Godot 4.1 instead of 4.2

4.1 had bugged web export IIRC

[hidden herald]

yea i did not update godot, am guilty

[proper palm]

maybe its all of this then @frosty mantle

[frosty mantle]

Updating the project to 4.2 should not be much of an effort, if any at all

[grim fjord]

You could try to export it with 4.2 and send us.. for science. If it will work this means the culprit 4.1.

[hidden herald]

i can, but i am not sure if its acceptable

[grim fjord]

Everything is fine your game runs in the browser.. it's just to test things.

[short lion]

Got to 30 points and Harrison Temple Construction crashed

But man it's actually pretty fun

[hidden herald]

30 points means you won

it just selfdestructs after that

[proper palm]

@frosty mantle your game doesnt work either for me

[frosty mantle]

Show the files

[proper palm]

same darn files

you show your files

[short lion]

Yeah - I think the issue is that it checks for exactly 30 points because that one time that I got over that in a single time it got softlocked. or maybe it's because people left @high prawn developer ping for possible bug data (also the game's fun )

[proper palm]

same files

you said it works for you cj what did you mean by that

[hidden herald]

I am sure they mentioned that if you get 30 points, you win. and current version of the game, it just crashes. so that is a known issue

[frosty mantle]

DMed.

[soft totem]

@short lion my game commited suicide (it crashed)

[short lion]

yeah it crashes when someone gets 30 points (is was me >:D)

[short lion]

Yeah, though I remember the dev asking in the comments for screenshot of over than 30 points

[soft totem]

lelly

[short lion]

And I think it's because it checks for exactly 30 points but might be wrong (==30 instead of >=30)

Still it's a work of wonders

[soft totem]

appue is still in

[high prawn]

This, but also not this
Even if I correct the game over check on server side to be >= 30, the game over screen still crashes the game

[short lion]

Wait... I'm not there though

[soft totem]

me too

[grim fjord]

@hidden herald
https://www.twitch.tv/appue_

[hidden herald]

yes?

[grim fjord]

appuwapu is playing your game

*was

[hidden herald]

huh

[soft totem]

he already did

he just showed that it stutters like another game for him

or did you make the thing

[grim fjord]

I had muted stream for a moment.. that explains. False alarm then.

[soft totem]

Harrisosn temple construction?

[hidden herald]

yea my game stutters at the first fight but then it goes smooth. it worked without problem in engine. maybe bad optimized or smth

[grim fjord]

Are you using compatible mode in Godot?

[hidden herald]

Its Forward+

[grim fjord]

From my experience Forward+ is kinda bad for web exported games.

[hidden herald]

Maybe I shoudlve set it to mobile

[grim fjord]

"Compatibility" should be enough if the mode is source of lag

[hidden herald]

Maybe I will try that out when I can update my game on itch after the ratings n stuff

Not sure if I want to, I rushed a bit bc deadline gave me panic, so i got spaghetti code

[soft totem]

haha

gimme some

[grim fjord]

I rushed a bit bc deadline gave me panic, so i got spaghetti code
classic

[soft totem]

my dialouge is literrally enable and disable objects

[hidden herald]

i have yandere dev level of code, its so bad

[soft totem]

oh no

https://tenor.com/view/yandere-dev-yandere-dev-else-if-meme-gif-17387355

[hidden herald]

yes, actually like that

well, sort of

[soft totem]

WHAT THE FUCK

HOW

[hidden herald]

wasnt thinking at some point

[soft totem]

what the fuck is this unholy piece of code

[bright dome]

switch function is crying in the corner

[soft totem]

yea

[hidden herald]

I am a sinner I know

[soft totem]

@ember horizon

[grim fjord]

Seen worse.
This isn't really that bad for the jam.. this gives you a lot of control over levels without need of thinking about architecture.

[hidden herald]

Day 3 of the jam, I surely wasnt thinking yea

I at least know that it is bad and how to make it better. Am just slow

[grim fjord]

Is your repo public? I can give you some code review if you want ^^

[hidden herald]

nah i didnt use any version control

[grim fjord]

This is much much worse than if-statements wall

[hidden herald]

maybe. thought 3 days single person project, surely I will not need it

[short lion]

In game jams functional code > pretty code imo, but also I've seen some abominations by people here so I say it with hesitation

[grim fjord]

It's not for the future. This is for the backup.. during game jam and such time pressure it's very easy to make a mistake which you cannot undo easy.

[soft totem]

i need to push the newest version of my sc

will make it public later

[frosty mantle]

I mean, ifs are quicker than match in Godot, but it doesn't seem like an optimization pass to me

[hidden herald]

I would never PR such code, to say the least

[soft totem]

@hidden herald COWER IN FEAR AS MY WHOLE SOURCE CODE IS GETTING VERSION CONTROLLED

MUHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[grim fjord]

First of all.. If you need optimization in the Godot you won't use GDScript but instead C# or C++ 😁

[austere bridge]

Or Rust :<

[soft totem]

rust bad

prove me wrong

[hidden herald]

I only know Python and Java, me smol knowledge

[austere bridge]

Rust is amazing wtf

[soft totem]

then why is my kernel mostly c?

[frosty mantle]

I mean, that's quite a change.

More work than an actual gain, even for this simple game.

[soft totem]

https://github.com/torvalds/linux

[hidden herald]

if its works, it works. even if you have to make your game in powerpoint

[austere bridge]

Because Rust is very new and Linux only somewhat recently started to use it :<

[soft totem]

okayyy

i will think about liking rust

think

[grim fjord]

Last time I checked Rust bindings for Godot they were in the very early stage.. definitly not production ready.

[austere bridge]

The compiler alone is super nice. Just having a compiler that like.. actually tells you what's wrong, where, and how to fix it, also linking to external resources is nice

[soft totem]

gcc

[austere bridge]

Yeah, not there yet, but it's still possible

[grim fjord]

I don't like Rust compilation times but at the same time I don't like compilation times for C++ templates.

[visual steeple]

C++ templates are... another monster entirely. They are useful, but debugging any error resulting from them is a special kind of hell.

[grim fjord]

My friend is one of the best C++ template programmers I know.. so I know pretty well what you mean by "hell" ^^

[low bay]

Where do I vote? I’m not very used to discord and use mobile. itch.ion page shows 2 more days but no specific place to vote, and it says to vote here but I don’t see where in the pins or anywhere. Thank you!

[short lion]

Only people who submitted games to the jam can rate them (on various categories for the jam score)

[low bay]

Oh got it that makes sense

[short lion]

But if you submitted a game then you can see it in the top right like this:

[low bay]

I thought it would be a community thing. Maybe we could include a community pick category?

[short lion]

There currently isn't a category like that (idk if it can be added) but you can still totally play games, rate them (for Itch.io but not the jam) and leave comments

[grim fjord]

This is not really true.
Python is just an "API" for triggering low level functions made with C/C++.
You shouldn't use it to implement algorithms of course.. but functions in Python libraries (especially ML libraries) are implemented with C/C++.

[dense reef]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1059569601144442911/1125040677923860510/attachment-1-1.gif

[hidden herald]

I wouldnt know, I just use the libraries and sometimes read the documentation

trying to mess around with a neural network rn, am building the reward function rn

[visual steeple]

You went straight to Reinforcement Learning?

[hidden herald]

wdym with straight to

[grim fjord]

You can think about it like that: if you press button to run computer the electronic inside is very fast.. but pressing the button requires your finger move which is very slow (in comparison to electronics). The same is for the python.. it is designed to be easy to use and trigger something what works very fast but python itself is slow.

[hidden herald]

... Python!

[dense reef]

that is not a good explanation

[frosty mantle]

Let's all use Assembly then

[hidden herald]

[dense reef]

thats a low level language

hell naw

[hidden herald]

i like to have things in a blackbox, as long as it does not break. less things to think about

[grim fjord]

I don't know your level of knowledge so I avoided details.
I just simply assumed you don't know what are we talking about because of the gif and wanted to explain a little bit.

[dense reef]

i do

[soft totem]

https://github.com/Lightmaxifrvr/LostnFound here you guys go tear me to shreds

[frosty mantle]

Jumping to a different language altogether (with all implied knowledge required) just for the sake of optimization is not a good way to go.

[hidden herald]

congratulations, you are being open sourced. do not resist.

[grim fjord]

Is there anything that you wish would be easier to make/implement?

[dense reef]

python is a high level language, its simple and for your "daily tasks" that dont use many resources
c/c++ are intermediate level languages that are for computation tasks

[short lion]

Finally, the only way for me to beat this game - edit it so that the 10 password parts are easier to obtain

[soft totem]

idunno

[soft totem]

lel

[dense reef]

each language has its purpose (except java) and shouldnt be compared to others

[hidden herald]

I use java at work

[dense reef]

quit

[hidden herald]

[visual steeple]

Java's purpose is to be enterprisey

[short lion]

Functional Programming languages I'm still recovering from Elixir induced trauma from 5 years ago

[hidden herald]

I might, in February

[frosty mantle]

I absolutely love Elixir. Wish I could have any project to use it though.

[dense reef]

java's purpose is to be an insult
"i could write something better in java"

[grim fjord]

Elixir is nice. Functional paradigm in general is just very useful.

[visual steeple]

The Erlang VM is quite nifty in what it can do.

[frosty mantle]

I used Elixir to handle Twitch chat inputs for the Twitch plays event, it was perfect

[soft totem]

please dont roast me for my coding too much guys

[grim fjord]

Not functional language but I think Dart would be very nice for that task too.. it has built-in stream support, perfect for managing chat inputs.

[hidden herald]

wish Neuro would roast my coding like she roasts viewers rooms

[frosty mantle]

Elixir handled more than chat input, actually (ports, analytics and UI), so it was in a one umbrella package.

[visual steeple]

Also, how erlang & elixir handles failures in a multi-green-thread-environment is really cool.

[frosty mantle]

Also, I used hot reload to update the game on the fly, really made a difference

[grim fjord]

Here comes the joke: "What failures?"

[frosty mantle]

[hidden herald]

hot reload. basically magic

[short lion]

"This if statement is looking like someone doesn't know switch statements exist. But hey, at least you commented your code pretty well and your variable names are readable"

[soft totem]

@short lion i hope you will finally enjoy my game after basically removing level 1

[hidden herald]

the only comments in my code are code lines i commented out

[short lion]

I'm kidding xde was just trying to crack jokes

[hidden herald]

yes, was a good impression

[short lion]

Same tbh, not that much need to comment things out when you're the only programmer working on things

[soft totem]

yea

[hidden herald]

in the company a friend of mine works for, they say "if your code needs comments, it not good code"

[soft totem]

altho please do as so you can enjoy the last 2 parts of my gamw

[short lion]

I could... maybe I should get back to some of the jam submissions I didn't finish tomorrow though and actually try to beat them

[austere bridge]

I disagree. Code comments (while really unnecessary in rapid iteration stuff like gamejams) is super handy for collborative stuff. Even well written code takes a few moments for someone else to work out exactly how/what it's doing. A quick comment can save that time

[soft totem]

deadline got etended by 2 days

[hidden herald]

My opinion would be, it always depends

I can see the reasoning in their work environment

[austere bridge]

If you're commenting every line though, yeah, perhaps you need to clean it up

[soft totem]

i have 0 comments

[hidden herald]

the code comments of the gta 5 leaks were funny

[soft totem]

i have 4 gigs of it

[austere bridge]

Mhm. Not necessary for game jams. And weren't you working solo?

[frosty mantle]

I always comment lines for my own sake if I feel I make something that I can refactor later and better.

[soft totem]

yep

[hidden herald]

yea in my current project, i sometimes do ToDo comments

[soft totem]

with the help of soem tuts and some caffine induced coding i made the game

[austere bridge]

So yeah, doubly not necessary then. Only if you wanted to note TODO's or other later improvements as CJ said

Some IDEs will also pick up "TODO" in comments and keep track for you. Which is super nice

[soft totem]

haha

vs sucks

[hidden herald]

IntelliJ does it

[soft totem]

but unity forced me on it

i wanted to use emacies

[austere bridge]

I love IntelliJ, hate the business

[vagrant berry]

ahh, intelj nice ide

[frosty mantle]

VS Code is fine, and I was using Sublime Text before.
Fleet did not win my heart, unfortunately.

[hidden herald]

I got IntelliJ Ultimate or whatever its called, work bought it

but at home i use VS, seems more light

[austere bridge]

VS Code is like... Stupidly versatile

Whatever you're doing, there's almost always a plugin for it

[soft totem]

10 gigs light

[frosty mantle]

Yep

VS Code is the jack of all trades these days.

[visual steeple]

Language Servers provide most of the IDE features I need on the most common basis

[hidden herald]

some files I also open up with Notepad++ if I want to do some quick changes

[austere bridge]

VS Code can hook directly into Godot too, which is nice

[frosty mantle]

But very fragile

[austere bridge]

It'd like IntelliJ more if they didn't fork-off a free plugin into its own IDE, then charge for it and stop providing updates for that plugin

[soft totem]

what plugin

[austere bridge]

Their Rust plugin

[soft totem]

ah

[frosty mantle]

Godot can bug out and always return last known state of the script even if you edit and save it, which drives me crazy

[hidden herald]

Oh I had that once

[frosty mantle]

It happens to me regularly

[austere bridge]

Yeaaaah. That bugged me so many times. The amount of times I'd connect a signal in the editor to a script, only for it to like.. delete almost all of my script was not fun

[mighty cliff]

Ye

[mighty cliff]

Ye

[grim fjord]

Editor Settings -> Text Editor/Behavior -> "Auto Reload Scripts on External Change"

Is that what you need?

[frosty mantle]

It has no effect if you use VS Code plugin integration

[grim fjord]

I'm using VS Code plugin with Godot and I have no problems 🤔

[frosty mantle]

Lucky, I guess

[grim fjord]

No it's weird..

[frosty mantle]

I cannot reproduce it reliably to report, but I have this problem at least once in every session

[grim fjord]

@frosty mantle
Do I understand correctly that your problem is about those "Save/Reload/Cancel" popups every time you change script in the VSCode and you focus on the Godot again?

[frosty mantle]

No

Sometimes, when you save the script file in VS Code, it does not register on Godot side, and then Godot returns the file to its previous state.

[austere bridge]

Mine happened every time I added a connection.

Write code in VCS
Return to editor, add signal to script from something
Script file returns to the 80's

[grim fjord]

Are you using spaces for indention in VSCode?

[frosty mantle]

Yes

Actually forced with EditorConfig

[grim fjord]

This might be source of problem then:
Just uncheck those 2 checkboxes.

[frosty mantle]

Those don't have any effect when you use external editor

[grim fjord]

I see the difference between our setups then.. I'm not using "Use External Editor" option.
I don't really trust this feature in the Godot I much prefer ctrl+p in VSCode and just find what I need.

[frosty mantle]

Welp, I am stuck with it, unfortunately. Don't wanna change my workflow.

[grim fjord]

Sure thing!
I'm not advising you to change workflow.. it would be stupid.
What I mean is.. this "external editor" feature can be bugged and some functions from built-in script editor still could be called even if "Use External Editor" is checked. So just for science you can uncheck those checkboxes with auto indention and see if it helps.

[frosty mantle]

I'll give it a go then, thanks for the advice

[grim fjord]

Another option would be that this list is not cleared properly and there are still some cached files.

[frosty mantle]

The whole Script tab is not present if you use the plugin

It just opens the editor of choice

[uneven bison]

I need one more rating on our game for 40 ratings

One more push for ratings https://sugarph.itch.io/fragment-of-ai

[frosty mantle]

Well, it is present, but inactive.

[grim fjord]

I think it is just hidden but logic still works inside.. there still might be some "open" files (that's why it happens only sometimes to you). Try to uncheck "Use External Editor" checkbox for a moment and look if there is something.. if there is press RMB and select "Close all". And check chackbox again.

[frosty mantle]

There is nothing there.

[uneven bison]

I'm trying to get the other two to see if we could readd the stuff that went unused, but haven't heard from them since 4 days ago.

[grim fjord]

I see.. I just sent the message to slow.
Hmm.. in this case you shouldn't have this problem so if you still have it, it's probably bug of some sort, what is expected because this entire engine is just one big bug

[frosty mantle]

Aren't we all

[hidden herald]

I sure am

[uneven bison]

I haven't seen my team in 4 days, I wonder how both of them are doing

[soft totem]

dead

deceased

gonerito

[grim fjord]

@frosty mantle Out of curiosity.. does hot reload for scripts work for you if you are using external editor? For me it works only if I save file using built-in editor but like I said I'm not using "Use External Editor" option.. so I'm just curious. Last time I tried (it was few versions ago) this option didn't work well with hot reload.

[frosty mantle]

It works

[grim fjord]

Good to know they improved it

[frosty mantle]

The whole plugin is just hit and miss. For example, breakpoints are still unreliable as hell.

[grim fjord]

Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I'm working with VSCode but without "Use External Editor" option. This is very unfinished option.

I'm using built-in editor for debugger and external editor for writing code.

[frosty mantle]

This will break my flow in a jiffy.

[grim fjord]

No doubt about this.
But you can always give it a try and see if this in a long run will more benefit you than previous approach or not.

I wish I could just right click on the scroll icon and select if I want to open script inside built-in editor or with external editor.

[rocky shoal]

it's done 123/123 games lule that last game tho

[inner imp]

neuro gaming

[ember horizon]

wonder if theres any chance i hit 1k downloads

its inching upward every time i look

[hidden herald]

big numbers

me baby

[outer schooner]

The end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never the end is never

[hidden herald]

Think Alex said this is the last extension frfr this time

[proper palm]

Yeah last extension, this brings up the total voting time to 7 days

[short lion]

Crossed 3250

[mighty cliff]

My numbers are smaller

[zealous oxide]

[slow solar]

anyone here use unreal engine?

[quartz hatch]

yes they were

[cloud ingot]

I did for the game jam

[slow solar]

nice!

im been using unreal for a while, always wanted to make an actual game with it

[cloud ingot]

I felt the same way. I never released anything I did in UE before the game jam

[proper palm]

@worthy patio @halcyon frost can you set your game uploads as windows executables?

select windows here if you haven't done that yet

[halcyon frost]

oh sorry lol
If I change it correctly then I think it's done now

[uneven bison]

I can't see ours because I didn't upload the game I think

[stable onyx]

the rich get richer 😔

[wraith matrix]

well no, not richer, just more popular, but the poor still stay poor

[frozen heron]

we've been cooking

[soft totem]

please for the love of god make the hud readjustible like in gzdoom it is so freaking big

[frozen heron]

we already are working on a redesign

[soft totem]

thank god

[frozen heron]

XD

the level and skybox is also temp

[soft totem]

time to fix dis level

brb

need to make my movement use new input system

[south swallow]

https://gmtk.itch.io/platformer-toolkit

some of that applies for 3D too

[frosty mantle]

Post-jam crunch

[soft totem]

haha

you think im crunching about my game?

[uneven bison]

I don't know if we will be able to update our game... I haven't heard back from my team yet

[somber stone]

You'll never see them again. They got picked up by some big company like microsoft

[soft totem]

no

they got picked up by activision blizzard

[frosty mantle]

[proper palm]

that's rookie numbers

[hidden herald]

200 deletions, push comment "slight code optimization"

[inner imp]

LOL

[hidden herald]

sheesh

[uneven bison]

Oof

[placid vessel]

That looks so cool

[soft totem]

i mean

it IS true

[analog sierra]

Wait we're updating the games?

i need to get back to work then

[wraith matrix]

yes cuz why not

[soft totem]

yea

you think we wouldn't

i need to make my game easier man

[analog sierra]

my ratings will plummet due to you guys' games being much better now

[soft totem]

haha

[analog sierra]

Also yeah that level was way too difficult

[soft totem]

as if

dammit

i need to add a link to my github repo for the game later so people can download the newer ver

[frosty mantle]

Just wait for a day, then you will be able to update the game. Technically, providing an updated version now is cheating.

[soft totem]

also @analog sierra can you playtest the build when im done

[soft totem]

aw maaan

[frosty mantle]

Game jams are time-limited for a reason, so everyone would have an equality.

[soft totem]

next up

game jam ratings will be extended by 2 days

[frosty mantle]

Previous extension was the last one.

[soft totem]

thank god

[analog sierra]

I have a question. How does the winner get picked? Is it a mix of review scores and Vedal's scores, just Vedal's scores, or just review scores?

Because I had a feeling that Vedal didn't particularly enjoy my game while he played it on stream due to his skill issue him not understanding the mechanics

[soft totem]

haha

you think he wont enjoy your game?

due to a skill issue

he will delete my game of the face of the earth

[hidden herald]

Think there will be smth like a top10 or top20 or smth and vedal will play and rate em. Win price unknown, could be just 1st place or minor rewards for lower places? tba

[bright dome]

if you get 1st place, you get an honour of developing a hit game Abandoned Archive for a lot of money(zero)

[polar needle]

I think Vedal mentioned maybe some Neuro merch for the winner(s) idk time to . In any case, I didn't really set out to win with my more experimental game. As has been said before, I hope the experience was worthwhile.

At least it has motivated me to make my first dev log out of hibernating solo game dev limbo https://noobmcnoobly.itch.io/neural-ghost/devlog/661612/post-game-jam-development

[sullen wind]

It was a great reason to pick up game development again after so many years. Maybe I'd hope for my game to make it into the top 20 that he'd play if it had a fully realized idea but in the current state I'd rather see others' games there that I enjoyed a lot

[hidden herald]

reward will be 20k channel points to send a message to neuro (it will be a donowall)

[wraith matrix]

He said he couldn't give away any more plushes, so he'll likely give away some random items of Neuro/Vedal merch instead

As for how many winners there will be, no idea. I'm guessing that might be left to his generosity/preferences

or some arbitrary number (like 3 or 5), or even an overall consensus between him/chat/neuro

[soft totem]

lel

[short lion]

Can you make it so the lava doesn't delete my password parts pls

[soft totem]

no

infact

i made the most left path lava

pure lava

[short lion]

😔

[short lion]

I wonder if winners will be based on categories, like "best audio, best visuals, best average" or something

I think a lot of games had great stories in this jam which makes me wonder about a potential story category in a future jam

At the same time idk maybe that's incompatible with some game types

[soft totem]

haha

i wont win

btw im gonna implement a respawn mech so you can just respawn to spawn with the passwds collected

respawn succesfully implemented

who wanna try build!!!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NDy0sKJMmo1HWvSUDoCyB9CyV1xahL94/view?usp=sharing

@short lion

[short lion]

I wanna try it out tomorrow maybe

It's midnight here xde gotta playtest and maybe upload an update to something else

[soft totem]

lelly

[uneven bison]

Our game still needs to have one more rating so it can have 40

Wait

It now has 40 ratings

[soft totem]

haha

i dont even have 40

[wraith matrix]

yours has 40? mine doesn't even have median

[wraith matrix]

and speaking of "one away", I'm pretty sure mine actually is exactly 1 away from median

[grim fjord]

We need 4 more to reach the median!
https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2444842

[wraith matrix]

And I need only 1 more to reach median, if anyone would be so kind
https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449468

[wraith matrix]

in fact, I'll help you out right now

Your game is basically the same size as mine lmao

what a fascinating experience that one was, quite unique and fun! Could have used some bgm as well tho

[grim fjord]

I'm happy you liked it!
We were aiming into making something unique what could be achived only with Neuro-themed game.

[wraith matrix]

I like how you can figure out through chat's feedback on what to do, like if chat spams "Bedge" then you gotta ring that bell

didn't quite figure out what spamming o7 meant tho

[grim fjord]

It just means the bomb exploded

[wraith matrix]

ah ok

[grim fjord]

You can read what all emojis mean in the spoiler section inside game's description

But figuring this out is part of the design (that's why it's marked as spoiler)

[wraith matrix]

yeah I figured it out with time as well

[grim fjord]

Also not all chat messages have special meaning.. some of them are just spam to make game more interesting (you need to spot important stuff)

[wraith matrix]

yeah I figured that much, and that's exactly how it should be

[grim fjord]

We put a lot of time into balance so this game is very replayable so by playing well you can get really high scores

I will for sure check your game tomorrow! Thanks once again for playing ours 😁

[wraith matrix]

I went for a full-out story with mine if you haven't checked it yet, almost no replayability, but should leave an impact ^^

I hope you'll enjoy it

Just don't interact with the 'well' before talking to Anny, in the current itch.io version that softlocks the game

I will patch that tmr once rating ends

[soft totem]

i will interact with the well before talking to anny

[short lion]

https://gartoks.itch.io/neuro-recall-reverie This game is pretty great and tough as nails (I beat it though )

[soft totem]

then beat my new build >:3

[short lion]

So far I gotta say I love the level select and HATE the lava

[soft totem]

press r

before touching lava

don

problem solved

[short lion]

How do I make this jump xde

[soft totem]

jump

aslo

i will upload a newer build soon

ofc not on itch yet

ps the game will be WAYYY easier

like you can now complete this path with basically no crouchjumping

wait i found a speedrun strat

you can literally reset and skip some walking

[short lion]

I pressed r but it did nothing 💀

(when not over lava)

But also ended up taking a break for now

[soft totem]

man

you downloaded the itch build

i said new build

[short lion]

I downloaded the one in the google drive. With the new lava in the left path

[soft totem]

weeaird

ill upload a build soon

to googol driv

done am building no

w

@short lion https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NDy0sKJMmo1HWvSUDoCyB9CyV1xahL94/view?usp=sharing

[mighty cliff]

Im transfering everything to use classes in my python file rn

I figured out how they work, mostly

[south swallow]

will the ratings be revealed after the rating period ends?

[dense reef]

yes

[south swallow]

source?

I'm asking since I keep getting mixed answers

[dense reef]

https://itch.io/jams/past

every gamejam out there that has ended

[sweet sierra]

if you sort by recent, most of them don't have the results published yet

[dense reef]

i really wonder why...

[ripe summit]

its gonna get revealed once the voting ends. since its just a basic itchio gamejam.

[dense reef]

"ended recently" doesnt include the voting period's end

the most recent

[ripe summit]

https://itch.io/jam/mini-jam-109-depths here is a old ended game jam

[sweet sierra]

right, but there are jams with voting ended and still no results

[dense reef]

right
ask alex then

[frosty mantle]

https://itch.io/jam/mini-jam-109-depths/results

It will look like this

[brazen marlin]

I'm just one rating below the median, so if there's someone here who hasn't played my game yet I'd appreciate if you'd check it out, thank you!
https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449357

[wraith matrix]

Same here! If anyone would like to give some final ratings, that would be really appreciated!
https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449468

I may have changed the cover image again

[short lion]

(Recommending both of these games, they're great )

[soft totem]

haha

annys sprite looks a bit weird

[frosty mantle]

Ugh... it happened again and I did not even realize... Glad we have Git...

[wraith matrix]

Still my two favorite comments

[soft totem]

yea

[hidden herald]

version control to the rescue

[cloud ingot]

If anyone would like to give some final ratings, I would be very grateful! https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2446717

[soft totem]

bruh

im a ninkampoop

i didnt even install the postproc stack

[soft totem]

version control is lifesaver

[reef coral]

I'm experiencing tutorial hell....

[soft totem]

lel

[reef coral]

holy, is it different for all people?

[soft totem]

make your own code

[reef coral]

I am

Still Experimenting

[soft totem]

unity me want SCREEN SPACE REFLECTIONS

[soft totem]

tutoriall hell

[reef coral]

Learning random things to make my own thing is

need to buy that Coding for Dummies Book soon

[soft totem]

stackoverflow

WATHE FU

lightmaxifrvr

20xx - 2023

cause of death:
Flashbang in proportions of a nuke

[soft totem]

sneak peek of title additions (unbaked)

[inner imp]

smells like unity

[vagrant berry]

Since the voting ends, i will be happy If someone would like to try and rate my game
https://declyo.itch.io/neurosama-lost-and-found-agency

[wraith matrix]

I can help you out on that~~

[vagrant berry]

I am really excited to see the ratings, would be cool to see how people thinks about games
The revievs already was pretty good and helpfull

[wraith matrix]

Also I'm pretty sure the median might be 28 now, so my game is 1 rating away from being negatively adjusted. If mine could get one final vote from somewhere as well, my heart would feel at ease ^^
https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449468

[bright dome]

less than 3 hours lets go

[wraith matrix]

a premium WHAT

[hidden herald]

[vagrant berry]

heh
didn't see that mistype 🙂

forgot how to spell cookies

[short lion]

This one is cute played it before

[vagrant berry]

added to list of fixes 🙂

[wraith matrix]

I beat the game :D

[hidden herald]

2h33min lesgoo

[vagrant berry]

how is it,
when it will be possible to update i will add a web version with some music, and and endless mode (it is really quick)

[wraith matrix]

lacked a little bit of indication, but I figured it out, and does work, even if it feels a bit fiddly. Could have used sound/music. Other than that, a pretty solid jam experience!

if you haven't tried mine, I would appreciate you helping me gain 1 more vote as well ^^

[vagrant berry]

currently downloading it 🙂

[wraith matrix]

and for the 999th time, don't interact with the well before talking to Anny pls xd (it softlocks)

[vagrant berry]

oh

so it was that 😄

[wraith matrix]

yeah, the legendary anny well game, in the flesh code

[short lion]

Rate all the games!! Only 2:20 hours remaining

[placid vessel]

Anyone know how I center this inside the square?

It's built like this

The CenterContainer is using up the entire panel nicely, so is the button, but the sprtie is offset for some reason

I have Centered ticked here

I think it's because I'm using an Atlas Texture and this house is just a small section of it, I think if I shwoed the entire texture it would be centered

just guessing though

[soft totem]

yeah

neuro wants a cockie

[inner imp]

im unfamiliar with that software but is it not possible to manually set the offset

[grim fjord]

@placid vessel Blue nodes (2D) doesn't work with auto layout. This system works only with green ones (UI). If you want to have centered "sprite" use TextureRect (green node) instead.

[placid vessel]

ahhh thanks i'll try it <3

[wraith matrix]

Thanks Met and Dec for the votes

[grim fjord]

np 👍

[placid vessel]

That worked straight away thank you I spent hours on that

[grim fjord]

Glad I could help

[vagrant berry]

gj

Thats such a good idea for the theme)
I really liked it, the battle with evil is a bit hard cuz of shoting straight but it's a nice idea
(khmmm
did the crystals had some hints besides the blue crystal? i like the fact that it has different dialogues for each action )

[placid vessel]

Getting ready to turn Neuro's farm into an RTS

[vagrant berry]

i nearly destroyd all crystals)

[short lion]

RTS farming sim combo

[grim fjord]

@vagrant berry Did you play our game maybe?
If you like unique concepts I think you will like it 😁

[short lion]

Yeah their game is good, I can recommend

[vagrant berry]

im interested

hows it called?

[grim fjord]

https://metriko.itch.io/dont-do-this-to-me-neuro

👆 It's this one

Just read game's description and tutorial bubbles inside the game and you should be fine.

We spent a lot of time on balancing the gameplay so it's very replayable.

[vagrant berry]

yeah i played it already
good management game, was really interesting finding out what chat mesage mean
I liked the theme incorporation , the idea of figuring(finding) out the action you need to do based on situation is really refreshing

[soft totem]

great game

i even did better than appue

as some people say to my game

[grim fjord]

We wanted to make unique game that would work only as a Neuro-themed game.
This concept won't work with anything else.

[soft totem]

evil

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thumbs-up-cat-thumbs-up-meme-stock-image-gif-27117830

now time to actually make an icon

[vagrant berry]

now that i think of that , there really isn't any close 'things/themes' that could really fit this concept really well
maybe metaton battle from undertale can be a bit close to this but it's not it
Good job with this idea, it's really unique

It could be extended to be the next cookie clicker

[grim fjord]

Thank you for this comment, this means a lot
Also if someone else thinks that way that probably means we achieved our goal

[vagrant berry]

As a really replayable game

[brazen marlin]

Yeah I really liked Don't Do This to Me, Neuro, I'm surprised it's gotten so few ratings

[grim fjord]

At the beginning we wanted to create multiple levels where each level could introduce new machine.. but decided to just drop player into chaos and see how it goes.

[brazen marlin]

People go play Don't Do This to Me, Neuro, super unique
https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2444842

[vagrant berry]

'Downloadble' debuff

[soft totem]

anyone got a hq vedalcorpa image?

or do i need to yank my image through waifu2x?

[grim fjord]

The sad part is.. we had to choose it that way. We had long discussion about this.. we tested default Godot physics and it was very janky and buggy.. so we decided to use external 2D physics engine for better experience and game feeling but with the cost of non-web build.

In other words.. we decided on "downloadable" debuff just to make better experience for the players.

[soft totem]

yea

[short lion]

Amount of ratings affects things but it's far from the only factor involved, I think with such a unique game you will definitely receive a very high rating in the innovation category!!

Would be a crime otherwise

[soft totem]

rip cant find any good vedal corpa images

AYO WTF IS THAT 4th PICTURE?

[grim fjord]

with such a unique game you will definitely receive a very high rating in the innovation category!!
Out of all categories we aimed into "innovation" category the most but we also wanted to have a lot of audio effects for the machines and stuff so maybe we will get some nice audio score too. Can't wait for the final results!

[short lion]

Ye! I really enjoyed how things sounded and felt too, the sound design was fantastic - kudos to whoever worked on it

[grim fjord]

The audio part (with recoding and implementation) was entirely done by @covert badger, he's the goat in this stuff.
I just gave him some feedback here and there.

My part was game design, chat implementation, chart, viewers increment calculation and graphics. Machines were implemented by Monczak.

[soft totem]

oh wow

the person who made the 3d neuro fumo model is in the server

[novel rampart]

Last hour, does anyone else want to rate my game? I want to reach the median https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449441

[short lion]

It's an amazing clicker game ^ highly recommend

[wraith matrix]

alright I'll give it a go

[grim fjord]

I want to reach the median
Last time I checked the median was 25.. did it change?

[wraith matrix]

I think it's 27-28 now

[grim fjord]

Gimme moment I will check

[novel rampart]

[wraith matrix]

median means right in the middle, so it's the 61st/62nd least rated game, which is at 27 or 28 now

[proper palm]

the dialogue is so good here lmao

[wraith matrix]

you've finally started playing the game

[wraith matrix]

and for the final, 1000th time, don't interact with the well before talking to anny, that's a softlock xd

well ok, maybe it's closer to 30 mentions, but still

[grim fjord]

It's 26 now 👀

@novel rampart You already reached the median!
Congratz

[wraith matrix]

oh, so I was thinking of the mean this whole time, not the median

how are mean and median different

[bright dome]

mean is average

median is value in the middle

[novel rampart]

I thought it was 27

[bright dome]

if you order ratings number from lowest to highest

[turbid vault]

I wonder where can you even see these stats?

[soft totem]

i have 28

[grim fjord]

Median basically means: above and below is the same amount of values and median is in the middle.

[wraith matrix]

but wait, that means the median should also be 28, that's exactly how I counted it

[bright dome]

if you have numbers 1 2 2 4 5 8 9 then mean is 4.42 but median is 4

[grim fjord]

I scrapped data from jam website and used it to calculate median with external calculator website.

[proper palm]

median is indeed 26 now

[wraith matrix]

I used the "unrated entries" list, #61 and #62 items are these two, which means between these two, there's equal amount of entries both above and below

there is something that I'm not accounting for I'm guessing, and I'm not quite sure what it is

but if median is 26, then more people don't get adjusted, so I'm all for it ^^

[proper palm]

the unrated entries list doesnt show games that you've rated already, games that you've submitted, or games with very high amounts of ratings

[bright dome]

they are both 26

[wraith matrix]

oh, that would explain it then

in that case, #61 and #62 would be these two, meaning median is in fact 26 (I opened incognito)

I figured out where my calculations went wrong xd

good to know for the future

oh no, did I get myself into a cookie clicker game with the evil orb

[soft totem]

lel my game is still low rated

also

[short lion]

Good stats overall tho

[soft totem]

last hour

lets pray boys