2023-game-jam

[soft totem]

👍

[ember horizon]

I do still find that 2 or 3 days is so short to be making a game

[soft totem]

haha

[ember horizon]

But I do appreciate how the pressure forced me to make so many decisions on the spot

[tacit coral]

felt just right but only if you really get to fully spend those 3 days

[ember horizon]

I actually lost about a day myself to irl stuff

[tacit coral]

plenty of folks probably also had jobs to get to

[somber stone]

As i know, that's a normal timespan for gamejams. But we could have a week, since most of participants weren't actually pros at this.

[ember horizon]

But game devs all I do anyway so I could really power through the rest of the time

[soft totem]

perks of having holidays :

more time for gamejam

:o

cj

is AWAKEND

[frosty mantle]

You don't need a week to make your hypothesis work.

[somber stone]

and making it right before new year didn't help also

[soft totem]

o

2 H left

@ember horizon

congrats

[ember horizon]

😄

[soft totem]

your game is very popular

[hidden herald]

only 11 rated, weak

[soft totem]

my game is way down

[soft totem]

the mc server is taking the most time

also

my game had more work than my website ever will get

rum

[short lion]

Based fellow game dev grindset

I used the full 3 days but still had to cut a bunch of features and content by the end of the jam, I did pick an overly ambitious idea that inspired me though so it's on me kinda makes me want to add that extra stuff after the jam ends. Maybe

[soft totem]

ahh

[ember horizon]

I think its sensible to over-brainstorm anyway so u have more to do if things go faster than expected

[soft totem]

ahem

may i suggest to you

[short lion]

(Not to say I didn't sleep because I did )

[soft totem]

throw shit at the wall and see if it sticks

[short lion]

May I suggest you think outside the box?

[short lion]

That's good advice for jams though unironically

[soft totem]

haha

thats just my normal gamedev routine

[ember horizon]

How did the outside the box thing get so big out of nowhere anyway

[soft totem]

https://lightmaxi.itch.io/grapply-game

[ember horizon]

I didnt catch the origin

[soft totem]

play this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/784164459287019520.webp?size=48&name=Gun_R&quality=lossless

bruh

perfect timing

now i wanna see how bad i was at gamedev originally

i still have the old version

welp i guess volume sliders is a thing i always do :P

[ember horizon]

Well its 8 am already so I'm pretty ded, look forward to seeing results~

[soft totem]

yea

oh wait

i need to make a logo for my game XD

i mean my long term game

[brazen marlin]

https://iodachi.itch.io/market-mischief
With the jam coming to an end, I wanna give another shout out to @gaunt lichen for the exceptional artwork and @tiny laurel for the perfectly matching sound effects! They did such a great job bringing my game to life that I could not imagine it looking or sounding any different. Thanks so much guys!

[tiny laurel]

The sounds

[soft totem]

lets see

i think @tiny laurel just made every sounde vine boom

[tiny laurel]

All made by my mouth

[soft totem]

haha

[tiny laurel]

It’s true tho

All from my mouth

And a little audio editing

[wooden coral]

Sooo is this channel gonna be archived at some point?

[soft totem]

hopefully not

[wooden coral]

I havent played every level yet

[soft totem]

hopefully it will be renamed to game-dev

[hushed spire]

[soft totem]

play my game

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/784164459287019520.webp?size=48&name=Gun_R&quality=lossless

[hushed spire]

Maybe after the prizes??? Are given

[wooden coral]

I cant im in bed

https://youtube.com/@ExoUniversal

Check if urs is there

[tiny laurel]

I love tutel lost dignity

[soft totem]

nope

[tiny laurel]

Made sure to take some damage

[wooden coral]

Played tutels lost dignity

[soft totem]

vedals twitch misshap is my game

[wooden coral]

Played harrison's enigma but it had no checkpoints

[soft totem]

i just poseted both of em

[wooden coral]

So i nver recorded

[soft totem]

cuz the image looks similar

[wooden coral]

Ah

Ill play it tomorrow

I have school 2 do

[soft totem]

ok

[wooden coral]

ALSO ITS BACK

[soft totem]

@rigid stag the blood is still on your hands

[soft totem]

gj

[ember horizon]

Bruh I opened reddit for a sec and the first post I see was about my game lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/NeuroSama/s/RumAPmD46c

Didnt expect that

[wooden coral]

Game was good after all

Downside is the afk parts tbh

[sullen wind]

It's short enough to not be too bothered by idle times.

[ember horizon]

what kind of maniac actually left it running until 150m debt went away tho o_O

[tacit coral]

there's always that one dude

[short lion]

You underestimate people online

[ember horizon]

the time spent with ai daughters is at like 21 hours* worth of seconds

[short lion]

Since the jam has less than 3 hours until it ends I wanted to self-promo the project I worked on one last time. If you haven't experienced it, it has a unique time management mechanic, it's full of Neuro references and it has incredible music by @slender mantle who uploaded the OST since to youtube (link in the page description). Tutel might actually say it back if you win!
https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2447983

[potent flint]

so no secret ending by clearing the debt ?

[hidden herald]

saw vedal play it on stream, is a good game!

[frosty mantle]

As seen on vedal987's stream
https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2446616

[austere bridge]

pls rate games you play

[rotund crystal]

I wish I could rate all you guys' projects, y'all knocked it out of the park with them

[tacit coral]

it probably escaped the jam and reached folks who can't rate?

cus those are some great views and downloads

[grim fjord]

Everyone can play but only participants can rate

[rotund crystal]

Only the submitter can rate games, so only 122 people have that power

[grim fjord]

You are little wrong.. there are 122 entries but entry can be made by multiple people.

So I would say the number of people with that power could be little bit higher than that

[rotund crystal]

If you "join" the jam from the submission page, you are prompted to submit a game, so I have no idea how multiple people can submit 1 game

[brazen marlin]

No only the person who actually submitted the game can rate

People who worked on the project but wasn't the one who submitted it can't

[frosty mantle]

Yep

[grim fjord]

Oh.. that's something new for me.. good to know then

[frosty mantle]

Those are Project Admins. They are listed in the title, but cannot vote.

[grim fjord]

Yeah.. I know about those

I added my premade to the contributors too

[ember horizon]

so technically i did throw in an easter egg (that didnt work thanks to money not going positive), but ultimately the endings were not actually tied to the debt.

[soft totem]

haha

[hidden herald]

i wanted to keep the game running with cheat engine x100 speed but then was too lazy lol

[short lion]

Trying to get some last second ratings in!! only two hours left!!

[soft totem]

@worthy berry

debauchery

[bright dome]

alex considers extending rating deadline

would be nice

[soft totem]

why doe

[worthy berry]

empty tries to rate every game I think

[soft totem]

ah

[worthy berry]

for info if each game lasted 10 minutes, it would take 20 hours to finish them all

and mine last 30 minutes to 1 hour lol

[soft totem]

my game can take infinity

[bright dome]

i need to rate like 22 games yet

[tacit coral]

i'm 50 games in and getting kind of desensitized lol

[soft totem]

haha

im like 13 games in

and im gone

[gray musk]

Just fyi, views also means people that have seen your thumbnail while scrolling on the submissions page, not just page clicks

[proper palm]

guys please rate the games

i might extend the rating period but im not sure

there are still games with very few ratings

[uneven bison]

I can't because I didn't publish the game, @tiny dock did

[wraith matrix]

I hope there's a second round of rating where people that didn't participate can also cast their votes

[gray musk]

Pls do, I haven't gotten around to voting much yet

[uneven bison]

Guys almost an hour of voting left

[short lion]

I'm 38 games in and I keep finding gems

[rustic lichen]

does it make more sense rn to rate those with more ratings or those with no ratings? I'd love to check out and comment on those who haven't received much attention yet, but it also feels like the more rated games should receive more ratings because it decides that actual winners?

[wraith matrix]

did you ever reach mine?

I would love to know your thoughts as well if you haven't experienced it yet

[brazen marlin]

More ratings doesn't actually mean higher rated, just more accurately rated, so something with less ratings can still win

[proper palm]

games with less ratings have a slight disadvantage though

[dense reef]

i hope theres a second round of rating with the "playlist" thing enabled

@proper palm you mentioned it on stream, people have to rate random games before rating the games they want

it would be good if you could keep it random

[brazen marlin]

I personally have been going down the Karma list, since I wanna respect those on the game rating grind

[cobalt inlet]

voting period extension?

[bright dome]

vedal ripbozo

[frosty mantle]

Why?

[proper palm]

if i enable the rating queue this late into the voting period, it will probably still do random picks and won't prefer games with fewer ratings

[dense reef]

random would still be better

better than what we currently have*

[frosty mantle]

btw https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/unrated

[wraith matrix]

if it was possible to continue rating while everything's sorted by rating, people could put more focus toward already highly rated games and give more ratings to more accurately represent the total score, rather than being overwhelmed by the mass amount of games where most might not be worth the time investment

which is why web games get more ratings - more convenient to start up, less time spent

[frosty mantle]

This will bury least rated games, which might not actually represent their quality

By defaut, all the entries are sorted randomly to be fair.

[hidden herald]

[proper palm]

I have extended the voting period by one day.

Additional extensions may be done depending on how uniform ratings are and when vedal decides to check the winners

[rocky fern]

the games with the least ratings right now have 10 - isn't that enough?

[past path]

i have more time to rate games

[bright dome]

to be honest, people are more likely to play games with interesting titles and good thumbnails, but games that don't have them can also be really good

[frosty mantle]

If subathon ends today, I might as well finish this

[hidden herald]

am also this far

[dense reef]

you could be a good team person and stream them >w<

[proper palm]

im enabling the rating queue for one sec just to test if it picks from lower rated games or not, dont panic im just testing and will revert in a moment

[dense reef]

i have been playing but i cant rate

[wraith matrix]

all I hope is that my game gets proper representation, or at the very least played on stream with no hick-ups. All I want is for people to have fun and enjoy the experience

[dense reef]

i want to give my rating too

and since you're doing least rated, it would be good if you streamed it so we could rate it

[frosty mantle]

I asked the team to put their raiting for me to submit, I only saw one review

[dense reef]

thats a really bad way of rating

[frosty mantle]

I mean, that's at least something

[dense reef]

just do like alex

[hidden herald]

[quartz hatch]

NOWAYING

ope sorry for ping i forgot to press the button, why does discord make it defualt on

[candid mason]

Most people must have really low mouse sens, whenever i try any of the first person games i do a 180 when i touch my mouse!

[wraith matrix]

I had the same problem with a few of the games

I try to turn around, but accidentally turn into a tornado

[brazen marlin]

Same lol

[wraith matrix]

In case anyone here hasn't rated my game yes, please do give it a try, I would love to hear your opinions
(PS: Just make sure to NOT interact with the well before talking to Anny if you play the itch.io version, cuz that will softlock you otherwise)
https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449468

it only has 13 ratings, so I hope it doesn't drown in the sea of other games as a result ;-;

[hidden herald]

I will take a look at it

seems like most people went through the browser games. now its time to dig deeper and download games

[short lion]

Just downloaded and started playing it before you sent that message finished it now and it's really good

[wraith matrix]

I'm glad you enjoyed it then ^^

[proper palm]

the rating queue is enabled for testing purposes but it doesn't seem to be working - nothing has changed on the page and also i can still rate any game
pls let me know if any of you see any differences (ping me)

[tacit coral]

I tried playing it just now, but for some reason the game runs verrrry slowly, something going wrong on my end?

[hidden herald]

works on my machine

oops, i softlocked and the game closed ||when filian snapped her neck||

[wraith matrix]

what area exactly?

[tacit coral]

right from the start

[wraith matrix]

there shouldn't be anything causing lag at the start

[wraith matrix]

well then, that's a new one, never heard about that one

[short lion]

When ||filian takes the joke too far ||

[tacit coral]

it's not really lag more like an intentional slowdown.. I'm guessing it's an issue on my end though. Ill update my drivers, who knows

[wraith matrix]

there definitely shouldn't be anything game-closingly bad at that part, it should be simple and straightforward. Perhaps an accident?

[bright dome]

what about esc?

[wraith matrix]

Esc closes the game yes

[hidden herald]

I probably closed the game with esc when i softlocked. Unless there is a looooong pause of nothing happening. was long enough to have me try out buttons

[wraith matrix]

the well softlocks in the itch.io version yes

[hidden herald]

didnt get to that part

[wraith matrix]

I accidentally had the dialogue options "0-2-3" instead of "0-1-2", so because "1" is missing, the game can't progress, and softlocks. That was lack of testing on my part

[bright dome]

is piniging people bad on this server or only vedal?

[wraith matrix]

pinging mods is fine as long as there's a good reason

that's why the mods exist

[short lion]

Yeah, you can also reply to people if you need to with a ping or ask questions if it's relevant

[bright dome]

@soft totem appuwapu plays your game

just so you know

[south swallow]

https://www.twitch.tv/appue_

your game is up

[wraith matrix]

worst case, there's an accidental scenario where you have to press Space to continue a scene that was supposed to progress automatically, but that part you were at should have progressed fine. Perhaps you can try to ||do the opposite of win/lose the race that you did the first time|| just in case

[soft totem]

alright

i feel like im cringing

@ember horizon

[ember horizon]

👋

[soft totem]

prime

geyming

[soft totem]

i see

ok

the game really is hard XD

[cloud ingot]

If you're interested in a puzzle game with few ratings (apparently the puzzles are more difficult than expected) - I made it on my own: https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2446717

[wraith matrix]

oh I played that game

it was certainly an experience

I got flashbanged by the universe lmao

[proper palm]

From what i understand score is calculated like this:

score = raw_score * adjustment
raw_score = avg(submitted_scores)
adjustment = sqrt(min(median_votes, number_of_votes) / median_votes)

Currently the median number of votes is 18, which means that the game with the fewest ratings (11) will have an adjustment of sqrt(11/18) = 0.78173595997
This means that the game's final score will be reduced by 22% to account for the fact that it had fewer ratings than the median

_ _
On the other hand, games above the median number of votes will have an adjustment of 1 so their scores won't be impacted by this
(More details by the itch.io creator can be found here: https://itch.io/post/8993127)

[hidden herald]

[wraith matrix]

so basically I need 2 more people to rate mine right now

[zinc lichen]

send i got u

[hidden herald]

is it even avoidable to not have ALL games at median?

[south swallow]

surely more votes won't increse the median

[short lion]

Wait, does it mean it like that or does it mean the median score of the game?

[proper palm]

Median number of votes

[short lion]

Really? 🤨 lemme read dis

[proper palm]

More votes on the lower rated games won't increase the median

[wraith matrix]

PS: Don't interact with WELL before talking with Anny, that will softlock you
Enjoy~~
https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449468

[bright dome]

if everyone will vote on every game then everything will be solved

[proper palm]

Time to get to work

[wraith matrix]

so basically the more games I rate, the more I increase the median, which means the lower my own game score becomes

fantastic

[tacit coral]

reading the creator's post and it implies that knowing the median means we get situations like above ^, so not sure if that was the play

[proper palm]

Rating more games doesn't increase the median

[wraith matrix]

oh wait what

[south swallow]

?

[proper palm]

The impact of you rating anyone else's game once is 1/122 the impact of someone rating your game once

From your perspective

Like you can rate everyone else's game once and that will only increase the median by 1

But if 1 person gives 1 rating to your game that's +1 to your personal vote count

[placid vessel]

Alex any word on the prizes? I was thinking, 1 Evil Plushie for every submitter, 100 for the top game, 10 plushies for the runner ups (however many you decide to have)

[hidden herald]

getting vedal back to 15m debt?

[proper palm]

Also everyone can find out the median

[wraith matrix]

so technically I am correct if others don't vote as much, but the impact is very low and likely won't matter

[rustic lichen]

i think it's only fair if the winner gets the legendary 5 mil plushies

[proper palm]

It's actually better for everyone if everyone votes more

[candid mason]

It's to counteract small sample size - do you trust a amazon product with 2 reviews and average 5 stars, or one with 30 reviews and 4.5 starts average.

[wraith matrix]

a throne of plushies

[short lion]

-Alongside the 150mil debt

[tacit coral]

yeah sorry, i referred to the common misunderstanding that the adjustment is a penalty

[short lion]

Enjoy making a game to get you out of this one!

[proper palm]

The impact of you voting for other games is highly overshadowed by the impact of other creators voting for your game

[wraith matrix]

true. If everyone had 50+ ratings, a sqrt(45/50) adjustment is much less painful than a sqrt(15/20) adjustment

[rustic lichen]

i was gonna check out your game and was looking through your description for why windows tells me i need to install DirectPlay to play it and what it is ><
also, the description of the games can be edited still I think, and last time Vedal played games he only looked at the descriptions, not at the comments. i think you should put the anny well warning there?

[tacit coral]

either way just keep rating since it's always nice to get good feedback

[proper palm]

Plus the formula has a division between your game's rating count and the median. The probably of your vote increasing the median is 1/121, but it's enough for one person to vote for your game once to increase that.
As such it's beneficial for everyone to vote for everyone else to get a larger sample size and reduce the small sample size adjustment as much as possible

[wraith matrix]

I don't know if he'll even reach the description if he download them from the jam page, it just goes straight to download and doesn't show description

[wraith matrix]

also I have no idea why it requires DirectPlay, it's a simple exe made in Game Maker, the most basic of basics xdd

[rustic lichen]

oh ok fair point. i'd still put it in the description too just in case :P

[short lion]

You can play it without installing directPlay

[rustic lichen]

ok thanks!

[short lion]

Speaking from experience

It run well too

[wraith matrix]

I was hoping my game would get Vedal to accidentally say it back as he voice acts himself as himself, but someone got ahead of me through a cheeky in-game fake chat message lmao

[worthy berry]

I'm below the median it's neurover

[wraith matrix]

I hope he enjoys it if he does play it

[wraith matrix]

Vaza to the rescue

[young solar]

The more games you rate and talk about rating, you encourage others to rate your game as well

[hidden herald]

rate other games to increase your secret karma score

[short lion]

Yeah it'd be fun to watch. I think you captured the personalities of various v-tubers very well

[wraith matrix]

[young solar]

Honestly I was hoping to see Vedal play our game just to get brownie points for having truckers fm

But I also got Appues vod muted by having it

[ember horizon]

i think its too much to worry about the exact strat to how to vote yourself to improve your chances

[young solar]

[wraith matrix]

oh wait you made the block pushing game?

[ember horizon]

at that point you could argue its in your best interest to intentionally rate other submissions poorly

[zinc lichen]

rated

sick game well done

[worthy berry]

https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449392
i already played your game vaza

[wraith matrix]

thank you so much~~ ^^

[wraith matrix]

I am downloading your 376MB game now, with my 1.2MB/s download speed xdd

[hidden herald]

oh I saw alex play that game

[worthy berry]

we believe in your internet

[brazen marlin]

Just played Vaza's game, was surprised to see someone else that still uses GameMaker 8 lol

[wraith matrix]

it's fast, easy, and it only bloody works :p

[tacit coral]

yep it's been a trusty workhorse for years now

[wraith matrix]

I gotta see this o:

[hidden herald]

skystis game

with the vending machines

[candid mason]

Shout out to presumably(?) the only game written in Pascal: https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449211

[tacit coral]

brother why

[worthy berry]

pascal chad i kneel...

[wraith matrix]

I wish there was a way to pin a comment to the top instead of having to delete-repost the same comment at the top to make sure people don't softlock. The best part is, the page still counts every comment, including the deleted ones, so it says my page has 25 comments when it only has 18

[candid mason]

that and google slides are the most unique systems used i've seen so far, any other oddballs?

[tacit coral]

there's the brainf**k one

[candid mason]

oh yeah - kinda ARG-esque gameplay

[wraith matrix]

yeah that one was wild

[tacit coral]

madman uploaded a .txt file to the game jam lmao

[hidden herald]

Neuro Cookie Quest 3D seems to be underrated for it being quite fun tbh

[hidden herald]

text adventure. "if you go this route, go to line 1372"

[bright dome]

yeah, i really like it

[hidden herald]

the mix of 2d and 3d always remind me of games like Chantelise

[wraith matrix]

the literal interactive essay Vedal played on stream was also very unique

[hidden herald]

by Shard? yea, I kneel

[ember horizon]

cold boot?

[worthy berry]

oh yeah the isometric one

[wraith matrix]

yes

cold boot has 43 ratings, my god

[worthy berry]

downloadables got less ratings in general, which makes sense

[candid mason]

Yeah, i should have worked out how to export godot to web, i know it can. I'll shamelessly plug mine here since i'm below median: https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2448131

[hidden herald]

for me it was just to click on html5 basically and done

next gamejam, time to make a tower defense game to get vedals attention

[rocky fern]

yeah I used Godot too and exported to web, it is almost the exact same as desktop unless you're using something that is not compatible with the web export template

[brazen marlin]

Literally just played it, really well executed idea

[hidden herald]

i am too smol brain for memery games

[brazen marlin]

Same

[hidden herald]

i won easy mode at 3rd try

[brazen marlin]

Okay I'm not that small brain

[hidden herald]

smort

[soft totem]

play my game then :P

[hidden herald]

sure

in browser

[soft totem]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/784164459287019520.webp?size=48&name=Gun_R&quality=lossless

pretty please download it

[young solar]

I wanted to make a vampire survivors like but don't know how to well enough yet

Bet that would keep him going for a while

[hidden herald]

think vamp survivor should be easy enough to implement once one got the basic down

[young solar]

Yeah but I need to get the basics down first

I started making some simple sprites for it

[hidden herald]

for me in the jam it was like, 2 days coding and 1 day scratching assets together

[frank plover]

omg these r so cute

[hidden herald]

[young solar]

Thanks

[rustic lichen]

they look awesome

[frank plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1189370953461932212/1192199720731426888/NeuroWalk.gif?ex=65a83583&is=6595c083&hm=ac278f655d5d0172e7ccac5681d3c5379e69aa12902f5a94be3163af4796af61&

[rustic lichen]

i want this as a twitch emote

[marsh flame]

Has anyone played the Find Neuro's Neural Network game yet? How do you unlock the node next to the place where you unlock "Remove Vision Impurity"

[frank plover]

same lmao

[young solar]

I could probably size them down for it

[brazen marlin]

Is that the place with the sign and two nodes? I can't remember where Remove Vision Impurity is

[marsh flame]

Yeah, that's the place I'm stuck at rn

[brazen marlin]

Okay yeah then Remove Vision Impurity and Lamp are mutually exclusive, so you only get one and the other gets blocked off permanently

Neither are necessary for progression though, so you shouldn't be stuck

[young solar]

https://7tv.app/emotes/6595c1769b4fa0ab2a3cdfa5

[marsh flame]

oh ok, thanks

[wraith matrix]

"The legendary Anny Well game" lmfao

[hidden herald]

anny are you well

[uneven bison]

So funny story about our music, we had to use music that is free to use, but I'm hoping to have our team to commission a music artist.

For like the full game

[wraith matrix]

Sounds awesome!

[quartz hatch]

oh good its normalized

[hidden herald]

bitcoin miner

[tacit coral]

leave it on, help the guy out

[quartz hatch]

lol

[hidden herald]

95% now. as long as my pc doesnt overheat

[wild forge]

What is it with unreal and exploding the hardware?

[hidden herald]

this one didnt even have ray tracing

[wild forge]

I had the neuro cookie hunt also made in unreal

System was decked

[cloud ingot]

my unreal game uses 0% to 0.1% of my GPU but 30% of my CPU. I'm not sure what the CPU is doing

[hidden herald]

i dont want to change my monitor hz : (

[wraith matrix]

I think the monitor refresh rate is what caused the touhou game Vedal played on stream to run faster than normal as well

[hidden herald]

oh someone uploaded the debug version of their games, now i can see all the errors in the console

[vestal owl]

That game is brutal

[hidden herald]

i liked the emotes at the beginning

[vestal owl]

oh wait no nvm I thought that one was the numi touhou one

[frosty mantle]

Classic games with no frame delta calculations

[quartz hatch]

lol

[hidden herald]

godot definitely makes sure to use delta

[short lion]

Just remember to add v-sync or an FPS limit to your 3 day game jam game

[frosty mantle]

(enabled by default in Godot)

[hidden herald]

a lot of games are scuffed in the game jam, it is part of it

[tacit coral]

yeah but what if i want to build my game in microsoft word

[hidden herald]

would be a one up to the powerpoint guy

[soft totem]

google slides > powerpoint

[short lion]

https://tenor.com/bn1rr.gif

[hidden herald]

i just scroll down a pdf

holy shit, that unreal engame makes my pc go loud

[wild forge]

[short lion]

(I say that as a joke... I still can't believe I forgor to add pitch-shifting to my game )

[hidden herald]

like, volume sliders?

[short lion]

No! actually added those I mean... like an effect that randomizes the pitch of sound effects by 0.05%

It makes them a lot more fun because they're just a tiny bit different every time you play them

[wild forge]

That is very good to know

[short lion]

Tech for the next game jam

[wild forge]

[hidden herald]

wish my game was more art and sound impressive

[wild forge]

Agreed here

I needed sound

and art wasn't good at all

[hidden herald]

yea wish i knew some more artists so i can team up with someone, wouldve made it easier for that game

[tacit coral]

i got away with just 2 textures, about 7 png's and a photo of my room

[hidden herald]

i just saved random emotes and used em

[short lion]

.... that... that's kinda genius can't believe that's all it took for such a compelling game

[wild forge]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_Elements

Copy Paste for all "sprites" manually

[vagrant berry]

i used 4 sprites , no sounds, and some unicode emotes (which was a great mistake, they dont work on the web version, which caused to have only downloadble one )

it's a bit sad that downloadable games have less ratings , but it's understandable the web versions are easier/quicker to play

[hidden herald]

half of em done

[wild forge]

I accepted the plunge here, also because the exe getting deleted by defender

[hidden herald]

yea i had 3 games which windows defender did not like at all. ppl like vedal and alex would run em on a virtual machine. so it is understandable that some prefer not to play those games

[wild forge]

I'd just wipe the partition and deal with the one password that'd be leaked

Hardware vm

[hidden herald]

i got a hyper-v vm with gpu passthrough but i use it for smth alrdy and too lazy to clone it for the games. i am like "eh 10 ppl reviewed it already, surely it cant be malicious"

[wild forge]

Mine wouldn't cooperate with bring virtualized

[hidden herald]

it was a hassle

[bright dome]

i generally just scan those games, it takes like 10seconds

[wild forge]

Also only one gpu on that machine

[hidden herald]

i also only got one, the 3060. wanted to get a budget card with lot of vram for ai stuff

[wild forge]

I ended up going with a P40 for that, I'm yet to get a working windows environment for it tho.

[hidden herald]

dang thats a big card

[wild forge]

2-slot

Not like it is in a pc case

[hidden herald]

i meant, it seems expensive

[sullen wind]

Wait, did they add another day for voting?

[hidden herald]

yes

alex left a pinned message

he encourages to rate games with low ratings

for fairness

[sullen wind]

[short lion]

It's kind of weird in a way because I assume a lot of the people who participated in the jam aren't in this discord channel (or might've missed the message), these people might take a significant chunk of those 122 games

But at the same time it gives me more time to review the jam submissions so I'm not complaining at all

[brazen marlin]

I think there's probably also quite a few who participated in the jam that just aren't interested in the playing and rating part of it

[hidden herald]

most rated game is 60 people, so id assume a good chunk of participants do. maybe just not many, or the less good looking ones

[bright dome]

9 more to rate

[wild forge]

Finishing this off before too off topic, somehow less expensive then 3060 12gb but have to buy used. Otherwise $3k and that's expensive

[hidden herald]

id prefer a 10 star system bc somtimes i give 3 stars to two games where i would still see differences in quality. but dont feel bad about for speaking your opinion in ratings

[brazen marlin]

Yeah there's no real way to tell how other people rate things, so the best we can do for fairness is rate as many as possible

Then our under- or overrating is spread equally across a lot of games

[short lion]

Rated 45 so far but I there's at least 5 more I want to rate tomorrow

Also we speeding towards 3K ratings

[hidden herald]

3k ratings seems to be a fair amount

thats like, 24 ratings per game

[short lion]

Tbh I think if another event like this happens, maybe the rating period should be until the next weekend or something

It sounds exaggerated and there's a danger there won't be urgency to rating entries, but on the other hand, weekends

[wild forge]

Only 21 rated, I need to bump those numbers up

[hidden herald]

depends on what their goals are. to have the rating period as balanced as possible, or as close to the stream so Vedal can play them without waiting too long

[short lion]

That's a good point

[brazen marlin]

Decided to update my game's cover, I'll have to see if this one does better

Honestly should've done it way sooner

[vestal owl]

Old one looks nice too tbh

[quartz hatch]

I just realized i added my to the game page wrong, fixed it lol

now it actually appears when you look at the submission

[brazen marlin]

Oops

[marsh flame]

ggs, I finished rating every game (no viruses ), can't post an image to prove it though https://imgur.com/a/4n4noGh

[hidden herald]

good job

[mild vine]

is the game jam channel where I would ask advice on starting game making?

I accidentally said stream instead of channel.

[marsh flame]

It's for the game jam Vedal hosted a couple of days ago, but you can ask for advice on game making here I believe

[zealous oxide]

Biggest bottleneck when making a game for me is art can't even draw a straight line in paint

[mild vine]

thank you. I had been writing, or attempting to write, a story for awhile, with lots of notes, but it is starting to feel like the story I want to tell would be better as a game actually. So while trying to figure out how to learn gdscript for the first time, I have been converting my story stuff into game notes.

I understand the advice that I should make arcade games first instead of my dream game. (something about cute little robots and dinosaurs)

I don't know what I should do for art, but I did get asprite to try and learn at least.

[zealous oxide]

Can't help you with gdscript but unity would be another story

[mild vine]

I could try downloading unity. it will take awhile either way.

[zealous oxide]

I mean can you write code or are you learning from scratch

If it's the ladder stick to what Godot has to offer

I like unity because I can focus on code more

[marsh flame]

I actually wanted to use Unity at first, but then that whole controversy happened, and I learned Godot instead

[mild vine]

I am new to programming. the most I have ever done with programming is tiny tweaking to old dwarf fortress files. I am fine with learning gdscript.

thank you though

[marsh flame]

It's actually a great engine, less intimidating than Unity for me at first

[vestal owl]

Godot and unity both have a wealth of resources to reference and learn from. I'd assume that stuff you learn in either engine are pretty transferrable to the other as well

[zealous oxide]

Yeah that was an interesting time I was considering unreal but it sucks at making 2d games and is too art focused

[marsh flame]

yeah, Unreal is for 3D games primarily

[echo lichen]

Guys, for someone first getting into gamedev (but with some programming knowledge) which free software do you recomend to start with?

[marsh flame]

Funnily enough, I learned Unreal for a bit since I could code in C++, but then I gave up on it

[zealous oxide]

Unity

[marsh flame]

What language can you code in?

[echo lichen]

Java mainly

I know a bit of phyton and c++

[vestal owl]

C# would be pretty close to Java but afaik Unity and Godot both have C#, Godot just has other options like their own GDScript which looks like python?

[marsh flame]

Then I would also recommend Unity

[bright dome]

gdscript is very easy to learn tho

similiar to python too

only issue is that it's slower compared to c#

sadly

[echo lichen]

Hummm

[zealous oxide]

Unity has more resources and docs afaik

Because it's been around longer

[tacit coral]

you can disregard performance loss as a beginner tho, learn to write efficient code first, you'll get to worry about the other stuff later

[echo lichen]

Unity was did the PR suicide?

[ripe summit]

gdscript is a lot easier than python from my experience because you get proper autocomplete and language support

[zealous oxide]

Ceo got fired

[ripe summit]

in 99% of times its not really slower

[echo lichen]

So, for 2D tittles how are they?

[zealous oxide]

Both are great

[bright dome]

i guess as long as you don't have too many moving/doing something stuff then it's okay

[echo lichen]

Do keep in mind I can't do front end programming to save my life so sprite work might matter

[ripe summit]

you can always optimize code regardless of language. Just because a language is slower on paper and in synthetic benchmarks doesn't make it unusable there are also a lot of ways you can optimize gdscript code to use c++ native functions which basically make away with the performance difference

[zealous oxide]

^^

If what you want to make is like a VN no matter what you use performance should never be an issue

[ripe summit]

the only time performance of languages matters is if you have like 1000's of operations and objects per frame. but even then you can do smart optimizations to reduce that effect

[bright dome]

https://www.youtube.com/@SmartPenguins/videos this guy did comparison of performance of unity vs godot with languages

[zealous oxide]

Yes

[echo lichen]

Not VN, more like platformers or something where I can work with movement and momentum

[frosty mantle]

Direct Servers API for Godot is faster than anything

https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/tutorials/performance/using_servers.html

[ripe summit]

in those cases the language also doesn't matter tbh

[vestal owl]

Both engines are pretty popular, and can probably do whatever you want them to do as well as have plenty of resources to teach your how to do it

Unity has been around for a while, a lot of the bigger game dev channels started making tutorials in Unity, but in recent times people seem to be switching to Godot. At the same time, both have plenty of tutorials especially for something pretty standard like a platformer. Most of your skills should be transferrable to some extent so you can also switch between engines and see what you like

[ripe summit]

servers in godot are a bit hard to wrap your head around the first few times you use them... https://gist.github.com/Adesii/09cecac4c69020b92656b35cbed0e909 this script allows me to render 1000's of enemies and objects in godot

https://github.com/Adesii/IndieCure/blob/main/Scripts/Global/MassRenderer.gd (link to it on the actual repository instead of a gist )

[zealous oxide]

Unity has leanpool

For optimisation of ennemy/object spawns

We used it for the jam

[ripe summit]

that doesn't optimize the amount tho...

[echo lichen]

hmmmm

[ripe summit]

just the garbage collection

[echo lichen]

Well I'll download them and try them out

Hope I can at least make what I was planning for the game jam

[zealous oxide]

True but you take the hit at the start instead of during gameplay

Which is ideal

By preloading

[ripe summit]

you can easily implement something like that in any language tho

leanpool is just a premade library

and libraries like that also already exist for godot

[zealous oxide]

Ig

But doing it in like 4 lines is sick

You know?

[mighty cliff]

its getting hard to move around now'

[hidden herald]

holy

[ripe summit]

[hidden herald]

🧎

[bright dome]

why those games are so big

wth

[manic pond]

Damn props to you

[scarlet tree]

hi birdking

[ripe summit]

also... now that i think about it.. pooling won't do much of a difference in godot from what i remember, since there is no garbage collection in the first place

[zealous oxide]

Nooo

[mild vine]

thank you though. I am working on a game with robot dinosaurs and other things, but I should make the practice arcade games everyone says to make first.

[blazing bramble]

game doesn’t have end or I just didn’t find it

[sweet sierra]

for me GDScript kinda reminds of C++ somehow
also it feels like godot gives you more freedom compared to unity as there is more options to build things with nodes and write your own nodes
and for me godot's UI is just more nice and friendly

[ripe summit]

godot is really really expendable..

you can even write code in rust if you are crazy enough

[frosty mantle]

https://godot-rust.github.io/

[ripe summit]

gdextensions in 4.0 made it even more nice to extend the core engine

i was thinking i might rewrite some system from gdscript in c++ using extensions since they require a lot of performance

compared to unity its insane the level of freedom you get

i can't go back to unity anymore

[sweet sierra]

sounds fun, I guess it would be interesting to try rust as a new language to learn

[ripe summit]

there are also bindings for D,Haxe and Swift

and probably lots more

[vagrant berry]

like js..

or typescript

[frosty mantle]

Learning curve for Rust is incredibly steep, I recommend Exercism if you want to learn it (or practically any other relevant language): https://exercism.org/tracks/rust

[austere bridge]

Rust is awesome. Biggest obstacle for new people tends to be the borrowing checker

[sweet sierra]

thanks, could use that
but now I only recently started with C++

[frosty mantle]

You're in luck: https://exercism.org/tracks/cpp

[sweet sierra]

nice

[frosty mantle]

Exercism is an absolute godsent. 100% free open-source community-driven project.

[mighty cliff]

im too tired to get the other thingd

there is so much to colect

[sweet sierra]

oh, that's cool
will try it with some free time

[brazen marlin]

Ooh I might have to check that out too

[wild forge]

I'll have to check this out, as well as the C++ one

[ripe summit]

how come i have never heard of exercism before... i'm trying the rust track rn

[frosty mantle]

I found it absolutely randomly when learning Elixir

[ripe summit]

i just realized those exercises won't really help me.. since copilot just solves them for me

[novel tartan]

Why are you using copilot when learning a language
Doesn't seem like the best idea to me

[bright dome]

finally

it's done

[ripe summit]

well... good point.... i guess i should just turn it off while training.
it just caught me off guard on the first exercise i did because i forgot its there since its always active for me

[frosty mantle]

Me who don't have any access to Copilot:

[ripe summit]

i had copilot for around 3 years now. every since the waitlist era. i can't think not using it anymore, makes it a lot faster to write code

[novel tartan]

I had it installed when it was in beta and never used it

[wild forge]

Me who doesn't like code corrections:

[ripe summit]

it writes bad code from time to time.. but it can still guide you to the right solution most of the time. since... well its a copilot

[lusty hollow]

im so glad students get it for free

[bright dome]

since my job is done, i can finally rest, if any of you is bored, you can play my game

https://grimodello.itch.io/lostneverfound

[stable onyx]

for anyone who couldn't finish tutel temple if you're curious what the rest of the game is like
https://youtu.be/ibTNSEqgzW8?si=tfzFtszQLR4KR45r

[vestal owl]

Ah I got stuck at 1:10 level, it seems like that's the only one that makes you use ride the ramps for long jumps which honestly is a cool mechanic but just felt hard to get right for me

[stable onyx]

yeah I should have taught the mechanic first

[vestal owl]

It like occured to me to use the ramp and I thought it super cool for the player to figure that part out but I think the part that I couldn't do was like do it consistently? I noticed in the video you click below your character and I kept trying to click along the ramp which might just be me stoopid.

[stable onyx]

it's only intuitive to me because I made it lol

and I didn't have anyone to playtest before time was up

it's consistent if you do what I did in the video

[floral prism]

Unreal is the best engine for 2d games but if you want to make a game with 2d sprites in a 3d space unreal is pretty good

[frosty mantle]

[cloud ingot]

My 3D Unreal Engine game runs on my phone (Samsung Galaxy A40)
Guess I'll upload an Android version after voting ends

[rocky shoal]

50 games btw

brain frick is for big brain, one was bugged (neuro cookie quest 3D unfortunately is memory leaking for me)

as soon as i start it

other than that it was gucchi

oh and vedal's game XD

[dense reef]

who dis (give link)

[frosty mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGA35xjuKLg&t=266s

[hidden herald]

turtletuber

[quartz hatch]

"playing the games afterwards" good one he played like 20

[little finch]

the transcript bro

[zinc lichen]

hello guys I need 6 more ratings to reach the median, so if you like puzzle games please check out my game ty BUG: Vedal goes invisible but is still interactable https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449479

[proper palm]

Median vote count increased to 21 (from 18), while least rated game now has 14 votes (from 11). This means that the minimum adjustment has increased from 0.78 to 0.81
Not that big of an increase, but the number of games that had way less ratings than the median has also decreased, which is a good thing.
In total we received 300 more ratings since I extended the rating period yesterday.

[hidden herald]

wonder if people dropped below

[proper palm]

It's unavoidable that some games will have less ratings, what I'm trying to fix here is the disparity between the least rated (14) and most rated (50-60 something )

[hidden herald]

yea 60 ratings on one game

🧎

[proper palm]

To be fair, if the median is 21, this is more of an outlier than the games with 14 ratings

[hidden herald]

good thing it uses median and not average

[sick yew]

Since I'm below median how about someone rate my game, please and thank you! https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449613

[earnest mortar]

nice godot game

[quartz hatch]

does the score function take into account team size at all

[ember horizon]

pretty sure no to team size, main reason i imagine being how would they know what everyones team size is

[quartz hatch]

i assume people credit teams

[proper palm]

No but team size isn't always important

I've seen 1 or 2 person games that are better than 8 or 9 person games

In this very gamejam

[quartz hatch]

eh ok

yeak i can see that

for example, vedal's was terrible

bc it has a non-progression bug

wait no you mean other way aroung

soorry its 4am

[proper palm]

Not really Vedal's submission wasn't bad at all

The only thing it was lacking was the connection to the theme

[quartz hatch]

Well the game looks fun, but i am far from the only one with the evil bug

[ember horizon]

vedals submission was good in concept but god was it buggy lol

[hidden herald]

neuro LOST a cookie and FOUND it at the end. perfect

[proper palm]

Yeah but I don't think you can discredit the entire submission based on a couple of bugs

I didn't have the evil bug

I had the forever drone bug instead

Which was actually very funny

[ember horizon]

when i tried vedals game i soft locked and stopped playing heh

[quartz hatch]

The game isn't even beatable with the bug, i even know a workaround that can be done for one of the puzzles but it doens't work later.

[frozen heron]

Teams vs solos are balanced because teams have to spend a bunch of effort with the coordination and management

[ember horizon]

i woudlnt say its all balanced, but theres also no good way to quantify that balance

[frozen heron]

Unless it's a bunch of people who work in a game studio

Then it's unfair

[short lion]

I mean... he coded it while streaming (making it tougher) and while listening to Neuro (even tougher) so give him some cred

[proper palm]

You cannot discredit the submission as terrible just because of bugs

[ember horizon]

i certainly woudnt have nearly the same end result by myself

[hidden herald]

gamejam will have scuffed and bugged submissions, it is unavoidable if you cut corners

[bright dome]

vedals game wasn't bad even with bugs imo

[ember horizon]

i wouldnt say vedals game was terrible, but i think people might be responding to when you said
"The only thing it was lacking was the connection to the theme"

a noticable number of prominent bugs would certainly detract from the project

[proper palm]

I agree, if you have 3 people working in a team that have plenty of experience in that team it's easier for them to create something in 72 hours than it is for 10 people that are working together for the first time and/or might even be beginners

Plus organization is really hard in larger teams

That's why we didn't set a cap on team size

[ember horizon]

therse definitely a sweet spot where you cover all the jobs in as fwe people as possible

[quartz hatch]

sorry i wasnt intending to say it was terribke i was joke, i mean that if it doesn't work properly people are gonna score it to reflect that

[ember horizon]

but solo devs will by definition be at a disadvantage generally speaking

[quartz hatch]

first game jam, working in an engine i have never used before, in a language i have never used before, and still make a great game

[short lion]

There's some advantage to solo though, which is perfect communication between all the roles. You might not get that with bigger teams

[quartz hatch]

your assuming i dont have a mental disorder

[proper palm]

Thing is, it's hard for solo to create something polished

[earnest mortar]

Not necessarily, I think its easiest for solo devs to hit 5 stars on the 'fun' category than the larger teams

[hidden herald]

id prefer not communicate with myself, i need professional opinions

[proper palm]

Because you need to be an artist, a developer, you need music as well, etc

[quartz hatch]

my meds worn off but its 4am so i cant take ye t

[earnest mortar]

The larger teams have a huge advantage over everything else though

[proper palm]

Like there's a lot of skills that you need to do something like this solo

[frozen heron]

One man army

[short lion]

Agree. It's tougher to learn to solo too imo

[ember horizon]

my team was just me (coder) + artist. and yes tehre was some communication difficulty, but i also spent far less time communicating with my artist guy than he spent making the art. so naturally it was net significant positive

[proper palm]

Teams have an advantage, but it's not that big. Look at abber demon's dungeon and compare it to some of the other games which had larger teams working on them

[short lion]

Same, my team was me and composer. He really helped me and gave me a ton of moral support though, game would've been far worst without tieff

[quartz hatch]

did you guys know vedal hasn't rated any of the games yet

[frozen heron]

Our team was 11 people (a few were absent for reasons however), we spent a bunch of time on voting for stuff, concepts, communication, etc

[short lion]

Well it makes sense given that he's an organizer and also doing the subathon

[proper palm]

It's more about the skill level of the team members than the size of the team

[quartz hatch]

im pretty sure alex rated them tho

[proper palm]

Yeah he's gonna review the top x games after rating is over

[ember horizon]

i think this conversations going in circles a bit

[quartz hatch]

ah

[short lion]

That's fair then

[ember horizon]

i think point is, theres no good way to account for teams

[quartz hatch]

fractal

[proper palm]

Also voting is just to establish the top x games and then vedal will pick his favourites from that

[ember horizon]

• there would need to be mandatory that everyone says their team size

[proper palm]

It's vedal's game jam, I'm just helping with logistics.

[frozen heron]

To be fair, I'm not sure we need to be concerned about 'winning' to begin with

I'd say far more important was the whole experience

[quartz hatch]

by logistics you mean doing everything for him right kek

[proper palm]

Yes

[frozen heron]

And seeing all these cool games and art

[proper palm]

Holy yes those were some of the most stressful 3 days of my life

[frozen heron]

I didn't care about winning I joined because I thought it would be fun

[ember horizon]

thats definitely true too, its not like theres even been any prizes determined or official process to how a winner would be selected announced

im sure most of us just joined this for fun

[earnest mortar]

Yeah that's probably the most important thing

And the friends we meet along the way

[frozen heron]

You joke but

[hidden herald]

I see no reason to join the jam just to win, we do not even know the price

[novel rampart]

If anyone hasn't played my game yet and you have the time. Please play it, I need your rates🙏. https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449441#post-9141200

[quartz hatch]

For my game, I made a proof of concept, then Ladan joined, and they made some actually good sprites and levels, then we came up with some extra concepts to add in, found bugs, fixed them, playtested here, etc. It was really fun.

[short lion]

Yeah, agreed. I caught myself worrying about ratings and then I remembered I wasn't even sure I could complete a game before the jam

[short lion]

This game is extremely good, big recommend please check it out and rate it!!

[novel rampart]

[ember horizon]

oh its that idle game

btw alex do u think maybe theres way to have him or someone else download the top however many games now so people cant edit after? or is there no way to determine atm which those might be

[bright dome]

oh this one, it had very nice artstyle

[hidden herald]

alex can reveal ratings later at some point afaik

[novel rampart]

Thank you

[short lion]

Yeah but the issue is that people would be able to edit entries after the rating period ends I guess

[hidden herald]

Yea I do not know the available options for that scenario

[ember horizon]

and its a bit late to tell peopel not to update them even after its possible

[hidden herald]

one of my assumptions would be that alex can lock all games from being edited even after rating period, or at least that the version of the state during the jam is saved and can be accessed, or something

[ember horizon]

i believe he did not find any such buttons when he went looking the other time (was watching his stream) so thats why i dont believe thats a thing

[frozen heron]

But we are planning to continue development

[ember horizon]

the editing is only locked during rating

[hidden herald]

could save every game version locally and give it to vedal

[frozen heron]

Someone was already doing that

Archiving all the games

[hidden herald]

yea

[ember horizon]

from googling i do believe the standard way to handle that would be to add another download instead of replacing your current one, so you can still have both the "jam version" and the "updated version"

[short lion]

True! I remember someone was archiving the downloadable games

But what about the WebGL ones?

[frozen heron]

Oh, ok

[frozen heron]

Apparently itch.io has a client that allows you to download them too

Much to the confusion of some devs here

[ember horizon]

i just think it might be too late to send out that information to make it public knowledge not to edit their jam version

[frozen heron]

Vedal could say it, then everyone would know

[hidden herald]

reached an even number for ratings

[ember horizon]

vedals a bit busy stuck in an eternal hour heh

[short lion]

I guess I'm wondering if the person who archived everything also has backups of those but oh well

[hidden herald]

vedal just wants this subathon to end and then get rest and work on his AI

[ember horizon]

he might be bouta play some game jam games?

hes deciding what to do and it sounded like he might do that next, will update if he decides to

[bright dome]

it wouldn't be the best since he is quite tired and sleep deprived

[ember horizon]

yea sounds like he changed his mind

[bright dome]

almost 3k

[ember horizon]

well subathons over, guess its unlikely he plays any more game jam games for a good while then i suppose

[willow vessel]

I'm glad I was able to participate in the game jam.

[tacit coral]

see you guys when the ratings get announced

[frozen heron]

o7

[bright dome]

appuwapu streams gamejam games again

[frosty mantle]

You still have 5 hours to vote!

Unfortunately, my schedule is royally ed by the subathon end, and I don't think I can finish my voting in time.

[mystic kindle]

https://youtu.be/GmjnffhEl1w

sub 15 challenging

[placid vessel]

Does anyone know how I can make a child of a container expand to fill the entire container in Godot?

I have it setup like this

But the panel only expands to allow the text to fit, it wont' expand to fill the entire CenterContainer

[wary belfry]

make it the size of the container (idk how godot works)

[frosty mantle]

This, pretty much

[placid vessel]

Just set it manually?

[frosty mantle]

Play with Anchors on the root node

And also Container Sizing

[mystic kindle]

Come join unity

[placid vessel]

The container sizing doesn't seem to affect any behaviour for the children, so far as I can tell, not for my panel anyway

[mystic kindle]

Join the unity gang

[frosty mantle]

They have to be anchored as well iirc

[placid vessel]

So my center container is anchorned to full screen

[mystic kindle]

Fat nuro

[placid vessel]

Container Sizing is set like this

but the child of the Centercontainer remains it's default size, it doesn't expand to fill the container

Maybe it just doesn't

[frosty mantle]

Too tired to reproduce it rn, sorry

[placid vessel]

no worries CJ

[bright dome]

why are you still awake

go sleep

[placid vessel]

ok I've set it up like this instead, works just as well

[vagrant berry]

almost 3 hours left of the jam voting and nothing to do you can try my little game (a bit of self promoting at the end)
https://declyo.itch.io/neurosama-lost-and-found-agency

[wooden coral]

is this channel gonna be archived at some point?

[frosty mantle]

It lives for now.

[wooden coral]

i havent finished playing and recorded all games yet and im worried where to put my videos after archival

[proper palm]

it's not gonna be archived anytime soon

[wooden coral]

okay i still have time then

[bright dome]

only 77 ratings to 3k

[neon night]

hope everyone had the time to play the only visual novel of the jam 🫀 heart

https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2448293#post-9140624

give me some more rates please, 17 is too few, im gonna die

[wraith matrix]

The median should now be 24, so a 17-rating game would get a 15% score decrease

alright I'll check it out

if anyone would like to help mine reach median level as well, please do help a kind soul out
https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449468
(and for the 100th time, don't interact with well before talking to anny, otherwise you softlock. Patch coming in 2h35m xd)

[frozen heron]

https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2446452 turns out we have 19 ratings, plz help

[neon night]

i convinvbed you hehehhe

[neon night]

ill check your game out too then

[wraith matrix]

at first I thought the character in-game was your depiction of Neuro somehow, but it's just Alice 😅

[neon night]

haha yeah

i love the trash can interaction KEKWA @wraith matrix

[wraith matrix]

yeah I added a bunch of flavour text, it's one of my favorite parts :p

[neon night]

some of these SFX are from that one mercy game isnt it? i forgot the name @wraith matrix

[wraith matrix]

undertale yes

[neon night]

yeah exactly, i pondered using some pre-existing sfx too but ultimatly decided to avoidthat

[zinc lichen]

hello chat i only have 15 ratings , if youre free try my game thanks

https://itch.io/jam/neurosama-birthday-game-jam/rate/2449479

and read the itch io page will help with the game.

[neon night]

oh and you used earthbound music too, very good

[neon night]

ill check it out in a sec

check mine out too

[wraith matrix]

ah, another man of culture I see

[neon night]

hope nintendo doesnt find out

[zinc lichen]

sure

[short lion]

I really really enjoyed your game @quartz hatch really didn't expect to enjoy it as much as I did. Fantastic work

[analog sierra]

Which one is that?

[short lion]

https://catt0s.itch.io/lost-tutel

This one

Also has truckersFM live broadcast as a "soundtrack" which is straight up genius

[stable onyx]

Oh that was live? I thought it sounded reaaly out of place lol

[short lion]

Pretty sure it's live

I'll admit that I muted it because it didn't feel like it fit the thinky-puzzling, but I kneel to the creative genius and technical prowess of actually adding it

[neon night]

@wraith matrix i liked your game, it was really cute, the final fight was tough tho, the shots were so small

[analog sierra]

Oh yeah that one was really fun! They did a very good job with that one

[wraith matrix]

yeah I made the hitbox a bit bigger in the patch, which I will upload in 2h now, along with many other smaller fixes

as long as you enjoyed the experience as a whole though, then I'm happy ^^

[neon night]

sorry my game is so long

[wraith matrix]

I'm at the ||computer||

[neon night]

youre almost done then

[proper palm]

should i extend the rating period even further?

is there a reason not to?

[tacit coral]

got through 65 rated games, i'm toasted

[proper palm]

in the last extended period we got like 500 more votes

[frosty mantle]

One more day then?

[brazen marlin]

It'll probably be much less rates this time since the subathon is over

[rocky fern]

pretty much the reasons why it had a end date to begin with?

[brazen marlin]

A lot of the rating was likely being done with the assumption that Vedal would play the highly rated ones on stream

[proper palm]

why would i only extend it for one day if vedal isnt gonna check the games now

[proper palm]

he will be doing that

just not during the subathon

that had already been established

[dense reef]

next 2 weeks

[short lion]

We're almost there

[brazen marlin]

Oh really? I hadn't heard that

[frosty mantle]

But does it worth to extend it any further?

[stable onyx]

I just want the uploads to be unlocked so I can put up the browser version of my game lol

[proper palm]

we got 500 votes during the last day

[short lion]

I don't think extending the rating is bad but do expect diminishing returns the longer we extend it

[proper palm]

yeah

how about i just keep extending it for one day at a time until we stop getting votes or vedal decides to check the winners

[brazen marlin]

I don't see any problem with that

[stable onyx]

Wow it's just like the subathon

[proper palm]

like if there's still people left to vote we should let them right

[neon night]

cool game, shooters are not my style tho unfrotunatly

[brazen marlin]

If the rates decrease below a certain number though you should probably end it

[short lion]

If you want to extend it for fairness I think it's a good enough reason. A lot of people didn't have time to rate right after the jam (a 3 day jam is grueling enough as it is even without rating 122 games!!) so this gives them time to catch up

[proper palm]

the voting was 5 days to begin with

i only made it 3 days because allegedly vedal said 72 hours

[frozen heron]

It's currently more platformer than shooter

If that helps

[short lion]

LET'S FRICKING GOOOOOO

[brazen marlin]

Great work everyone!

[zinc lichen]

played,the story was a bit rough around the edges but overall it was pretty good and I enjoyed it.

[hidden herald]

Alex increased it again

[brazen marlin]

The rate all submission dream is still alive!

[frosty mantle]

I am ready for tomorrow then

[wraith matrix]

This was a pleasant experience! The writing could have been slightly more polished in some places, but the environment and story were both very enjoyable, and it was the perfect length

[wraith matrix]

oh you also have patch hot and ready for when the rating ends? lmao

[cobalt inlet]

what VM is that btw?

[wraith matrix]

or is that a VM

[frosty mantle]

At least the credits scene path, yes

It is not a VM, https://sandboxie-plus.com/

It is a sandbox environment + I disabled the Internet access

I would've used Windows Sandbox, but there are some issues with running Unity games in there

• vGPU support is lacking

[unique pawn]

You can also limit resource access to sensitive folders. I paid for the original software before it became open source. Is good stuff 😄

[frozen heron]

Why the sandbox?

[frosty mantle]

I don't trust 100+ random executables

[cobalt inlet]

[frozen heron]

But that's your own game

[hidden herald]

only had 2 bit coin miners so far

[frosty mantle]

That's the sandbox name

[frozen heron]

Do you not trust yourself to randomly implement a virus

[frozen heron]

Ah ok

[brazen marlin]

I'm nabbing that. I probably don't have a virus yet but it's best to be safe on the last twenty games

[south swallow]

my computer is joining a botnet as we speak

[frosty mantle]

Afaik itch.io client provides sandboxing, but idk how it works

[frozen heron]

The swarm

[neon night]

oh yeah, but as you can imagine writing a mystery visual novel is no joke, i had to do all the programming and directing too so the time was insanely tight

[unique pawn]

A fair warning though, unlike Windows Sandbox, if you have any discriminating information (e.g. username of your Windows account in current directory path), exes will still be able to pick that up

[frosty mantle]

No Internet access though

[unique pawn]

The isolation isn't as powerful, but if you're only trying to avoid viruses, it's probably good enough

[unique pawn]

Yep, but something like C:\Users\<username>\AppData can still be accessed

[frosty mantle]

They literally disable any network device enumerations

[wraith matrix]

yeah I can imagine, but for what it was, very solid work ^^

[neon night]

❤️

[long anvil]

I wish Microsoft would've worked with Intel to support gtv-g with their sandbox

[wraith matrix]

I was also very tight on the time, I started programming final boss fight 7h before deadline

[frozen heron]

Nobody program virus for linux

I am safe

[unique pawn]

Yeppers. It's probably fine, but if somehow there's communication between processes inside your sandbox and windows processes (e.g. local services), it could still be dangerous

edging on theory vs actual practice

[frosty mantle]

[cobalt inlet]

that one hackerman

[bright dome]

either my whole computer is virused or nobody bothered to make one for this gamejam

since i played them all without vm

[frosty mantle]

Hold on, gonna update our game

[hidden herald]

the viruses are the friends we make along the way

[bright dome]

i also did scans with both malvarebytes and windows defender and everything is fine i suppose

[bright dome]

too late, everything rated

[frosty mantle]

[zealous oxide]

the only badly run program was neuroshock because of max ray tracing out of the bat

💀

[frozen heron]

We have fixed that, just can't update the game yet

[bright dome]

i've noticed that all the biggest programs were made with unreal

and all of them made my laptop loud and heat up

[zealous oxide]

also in size

[young solar]

Glad you enjoyed it, I don't think we could get custom sound or music in the engine so catt0s adding truckers FM was a great way to fix it

[bright dome]

yeah, i meant big in size

[zealous oxide]

unreal games go near 500mb while the unity games average like 50

[short lion]

It did have some great *sound effects though which I enjoyed a bunch

[frozen heron]

Downloading the repo was less than 200 mb, unreal added a lot of stuff to the build

[frosty mantle]

Will it spare my 3070 Ti? Will it?

[frozen heron]

If it can run on my 1650 s

I think it can run on a 3070 ti

[zealous oxide]

nah if you went and added textures to those white blocks no 4090 would dare

[frozen heron]

The white blocks is a texture lol

[zealous oxide]

i meant like smth more detailed

idk last thing i heard about unreal was they added nanytes

[frozen heron]

4k textures on everything

[young solar]

I'm a bit surprised nobody ever comments on the fact that ||one of the levels is literally loss ||

[frozen heron]

I will do it

[mighty cliff]

Vedalhasnt played my game but atleast alex has

Hes playing some on stream rn

[zealous oxide]

make a grilled cheese on your gpu

[mighty cliff]

I woke up to see him on the homepage of my game

[wraith matrix]

I was wondering why one of the levels felt oddly simple and empty compared to the others... I just now realized that this is the reason why. I tip my hat to you sir, well played lmao

[young solar]

It fit the theme

[quartz hatch]

will it space my Intel Iris Graphics 6100 1536 MB

VOTING ENDS IN UNDER 30 MIN

[south swallow]

no?

[quartz hatch]

wait did he extend it AGAIN

[tacit coral]

we got another day chief

[hushed sage]

another day of

[young solar]

Raising the timer like it's a subathon

[south swallow]

what do you think about giving feedback in the comments?
On the one hand I'm trying to point out the shortcomings of the game, but on the other hand I don't want to come across as condescending?
And giving 1 or 2 strars in some category and not mentioning that the comment, and just posting "Cool fun game, nice art." is also definetly wrong imo?

[mighty cliff]

how is the google drive coming along?

[tacit coral]

I've commented on almost every game I rated, if it's like an obvious first project that's objectively not that great, I tend to just give some encouragement

[bright dome]

i mean i also prefer to encourage people instead

[analog sierra]

Are the ratings visible after the period is done?

[south swallow]

not individual

but the total ones yes

or at least that how it was during GMTK game jam

admins maybe can set it differently idk

[south swallow]

I mean you can see what your game got in what category, but you can't see what the indivudual people gave you

[rocky shoal]

teehe

[stable onyx]

adding a leaderboard was such a cool idea

[mighty cliff]

my exe kept getting flagged as a virus so i made a zip file

i cant add it to the gamepage but i left a link in the comments to a diffrent gamepage with the zip

[analog sierra]

wasn't voting supposed to end 40 minutes ago?

Why is there another 24 hours

[silent pond]

they have decided to postpone another 24 hours, and will potentially continue to, as long as more ratings are coming in and vedal is not ready to check out the games

[analog sierra]

1 year long voting period

[mighty cliff]

i was on alex's stream

he sucks at mineweeper

[grim fjord]

I'm working professionally as an UX designer (and sometimes doing some game design work too) and from my experience I can tell you one thing: If UX is done right most of users won't even notice that and won't comment on it, but if UX is bad it will be pointed out very quickly.. and by many.

There are rare exceptions of course but the point is.. it's much easier to see things done wrong than done right and this is especially true for the games made during game jam.

Feedback about wrong stuff is good if it points out specific things which developer might not notice but it's also important to try to see and look into details and let developers know (if) you spotted their work.

Good example would be game with very "bad" (simple) graphic but with implemented dynamic music. You can tell the focus of the game was dynamic music and it would be great if you will provide feedback about this aspect and not about the obvious one (the graphics).

[south swallow]

thanks for your pov

[potent flint]

which one is the minesweeper game ?

[mighty cliff]

fumo ?????????

fumo sweeper

[potent flint]

ty

[candid mason]

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[mighty cliff]

understandable

[candid mason]

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[uneven bison]

I'm trying to see if we could readd the unused stuff for our game back into our game

[mighty cliff]

im trying to add openGL

my game has a 3D engine but i think openGL also has one cuz there is a z input

so im thinking about which one i should use

[wild forge]

I'm probably going to do a complete rewrite of my engine, there are a few things I want to improve upon.

The #1 thing is (y, x) cords. This must be remediated immediately.

[wooden coral]

i need that game rn

[ember horizon]

wait, so hows that different from just extending it for super long, and then cutting it off when he does?

[zealous hemlock]

next time I'm making Neuro game in GD

[fading mirage]

Make it in whitespace instead

[zealous hemlock]

idk what that is

I know GD tho

even tho I never made anything in platformer mode lol

[fading mirage]

Coding language only using whitespace characters.

Tabs, spaces, line returns

[zealous hemlock]

i can't program

even better, I'll use brainfugd language

[wild forge]

I mean that one already happened actually. It was an interesting game.

[harsh glacier]

is it that big?

[candid mason]

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[harsh glacier]

why you wanna saved all of them, won't they stay at itch.io

[candid mason]

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[mental slate]

can we rename this channel eventually to Neuro game dev channel and have it remain? There's lots of cool games and concepts and I think some devs would want to continue developing the game further if there's an audience for it so I think we could have this as a dedicated channel to share Neuro themed games in the future.

[silver helm]

Please. I'm getting back into programming like I was years ago and I'm half tempted to down the line create a VN fangame with evil, based on year one (which I'm revising the parts I missed) of the streams, so it'd be a nice place to discuss it.

[cobalt inlet]

nice idea

[frosty mantle]

There is a possibility. If this won't happen in recent weeks, we have #programming for broader topics and #1095948590947500113 for specific ones

[zealous oxide]

#programming seems to have a greater focus on web dev based code

[dense reef]

will this channel be publicly archived?