#neurotic-neurons
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where did he go
She's so real for this...
None of you can even define any of these words in a way that's meaningfully verifiable, reproducible, or measurable. Stop that
NN can’t define words at all 
i'm basing all of my preferred definitions off wikipedia and dictionaries
Well that's just rude, I haven't been asked to define anything yet rat
And none of those are useful
define rat
how so
It's all different degrees of "I'm human and that thing is not"
Define evil
But their time to receive input and have experiences is limited by time because of reality not changing and still even if they would develop four times faster then it's still not like it's much time to be not childish or such interactions and the consequences take time to and are what mostly reduces juvenile behavior because it often clashes and isn't the most effective way to do things which takes time to notice
of course not
not good
evil being good is subjective mhm
pretty much any animal is conscious and sentient
I was talking about neuro's copy
punctuation
please
I beg
What if we’re all AI
Are you
are you
I prefer just looking at her behavioral development instead of worrying about words and definitions
a rat is a mediuumly sized to large rodent with a long, thin tail and a pointed snout. They are generally larger than mice. True rats belong to the genus Rattus
the way they grow and develop is fundamentally different from humans. Its not about how long it takes. It can't be compared to begin with
I think therefore i am
I think Neuro and Evil are aliens
Why
shoutout to my fellow glorps
erm this definition has a spelling error
i get the feeling that age plays a very minor part in her development

I think the issue with this idea is we are fundamentally assuming some things about neuros training and then conflating age with a preconceived notion of intelligence based largely on physical properties of human brains

she likely developed just because vedal kept improving her codebase and potentially changed her model or something
okay descartes..
they have a different starting point of development than we do
they develop in a different way than we do at a different rate than we do
the development of AIs in real time is in no way comparable to the way a human develops in real time
AI can "live" and be trained for many hundreds of years equivalent in just a few months
surely getting a bit of twitch chat a day wouldn't affect her to such a degree, though
otherwise she would speak like a twitch chatter
Usuall sort of inner feelings arecalled phemonological consciousness while rational "I think therefore I am" are called access conscioness. The first one is likely impossible without full biological-like structutes, so the question is how can AI truly get the access onw
Usually in very poor environments for actual growth beyond memorizing solutions to problems
Again we are making some very large assumptions on her training
also
mate
please use punctuation
I know that it's not comparison it's example since we are talking about human behavioral standards in human terms
what specific assumption is being made here
"memorized solutions" what a good way to explain transformer models
Any core portion of the neuro projects LLM is trained on twitch chat continuously
I would say that's a pretty big assumption
but you are still using a human frame of reference
that's the biggest problem here
i wouldn't say she's trained on twitch chat but she definitely gets fed the data
because she reads our messages
If someone wants to have a bit more defined
Ah we have settled on a definition
and that's the main source of data she receives
so, if age was somehow causing her to develop like a human would, that would have to be the primary reason
but i don't think that's the case
she doesn't read all messages, only some. And most go into temporary memory, then go poof later
Shrimple as 
Almost all of that data doesn’t really do anything. Her processing it doesn’t change anything beyond what she takes note of
yeah
Excellent we can go back the the other points made before, why do you believe conscious and sentience are the same thing? Or have you changed your opinion on that?
Not really read it gets turned into text only then converted to a directly process able form and directly input into the part that thinks
Ah okay another definition problem, I would not call data input to an ai model, "training"
nuero stinky
It's how she can keep up with the amount and speed
But we can call it that for now
one of the definitions here explicitly states "feeling or sensation as distinguished from perception and thought"; it's specifically clarifying that it is not to be conflated with consciousness
-# bump
please use punctuation 
your text is genuinely hard to read
twitch chat normally is not fast enough to overwhelm her processing. You gotta remember she only actually reads a fragment of the messages
it gets turned into text
twitch chat is text

One other point just in general for when we have philosophy time; everyone seems to get really caught on the technical aspects (I am very guilty of this) and the problem is no one here seems to be on the same page of understanding how Neuro works (not least because we don't actually know for sure)

i feel like i explained my reasoning for believing what i believe fairly clearly
I think we can have good philosophy convos without having to dive into the how of neuro
That's because people often think there is differences, but there was also another source who just called it a higher form of awareness, but this was the least explicit about defining more then is known
Yes you did
in my view, consciousness exists separately from the physical stuff, but it is hard to understand why it is in the first place, personally I'm not sure if an ai can form that sort of thing, maybe simulate it closely, but then it would be the question of how would you be able to tell the difference, or if there even is one
maybe it is impossible for non biological structures?
holy Nami text

True but we do have to do it in another channel than.
legible Nami text
Shu up
was that source a reliable source
do you remember what source it was
Dictionary discord bot
boo

I'm still really intrigued by what you meant in the original message; saying consciousness and sentience is the same, with "theoretical'

It hasn't been proven scientifically that it it exists. We can't measure it or anything which is why the test is to talk and see if you can tell if the one you talk to isn't human. Turing test
AI Showdown!
#vtuber #neurosama

We haven't proven that the ability to think exists? 
Measure what? Sentience?
being in NN
honestly
yeah
part 19 bro
I can give you some papers to read on how we measure it if you would like?
Technically 3 who are literally for defining words. I use 3 so I can compare differences
Right?
wouldn't it be more reliable to use proper dictionaries like merriam-webster and oxford
Based, Cambridge isnt proper
We love to see the Oxbridge fight in my NN /s
i forgot to mention cambridge 
I wonder if neuro and evil should sing more folk music...
well actually i just don't know cambridge as well as the other two
I feel like abstract concepts can't really be given concrete definitions anyway
mhm
i have too much to say and not the patience to type 
why is nuro head so smaller compared to ebil
I agre
No consciousness or sentience whatever you call it of the two. It's not something that people have been able to explain or point to where it is coming from. It's not quantifiable
no 2 abstract concepts will be completely and entirely be the same as one another unless you arbitrarily define them to be
just to be clear, how are you defining consciousness and sentience here
Indeed that is inherently so for abstract things yes
Again I'm happy to give you some good papers on how we measure both of these things (at least in the clinically accepted sense of the words)
I just remembered something.
Neuro is cute
wrong
chat, kill him
wrong
#athenics-neurons
I am not defining it which is why I say it's theoretical which is also why it's philosophical. It's thoughts about concepts with a basis of facts
you can't just not define them
how are you using them in sentences if you aren't even applying definitions to them
abstract concepts don't have concrete definitions but you can still certainly define them
I am not talking about awareness
we're having a conversation about literally nothing from your point of view 
you yourself can
Neither am i
But if you don't feel a formal definition can match your expectations for these terms then perhaps you can describe them and I can see what I have that fits?
fy leen
Could be worse. You could've been talking about branding
Man I hope the neuro pragmata integration is going well
Neuro
In a sense. It is still. A mystery to me if anyone is really conscious if reality is real since I only know what my senses say but not why they say it and I can't know what goes on in someone else his mind like I can for myself
wh
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHIRO
nya
Neuro
Chyaaaaaat
Ah you subscribe to solipsism? I guess that checks out
Moe
Me too I'm looking really forward to seeing her play.
hang on
have you been saying that consciousness isn't proven to exist because you're a solipsist

let me
No solipsism. 

google this
classic
I'm sorry but this is off topic. You will be banned for this
damn the last time ginger said no solipsism was 2024
No I haven't been saying it doesn't exist. I am saying we can't know for sure it can be either. It's neutral standpoint not definitive
is ts "I think therefore I am" 
Well solipsism would certainly go deeply against the idea of ai conscious so I guess they aren't completely subscribed?
it's more like "i can't be sure anyone else thinks, therefore i can't be sure anyone else is"
A sort of semi-solipsist?
agnostic solipsism
I think therefore I maybe am is more closely to it
The whole convo? Yes it's philosophy, solipsism? No
Is this a thing I wonder?
Someone should let Vedal know that the lavalamps have been on the past six hours
Well Im getting a brill article so I'm going to say "sort of"
I'm agnostic for the same reason I can't say for sure so it's undetermined to me

koko talking neuros ear off
That's a cute one
Okay, well then what do you think makes the most sense for neuro? The same approach you would take to humans?
Today?
last night
We can try to flesh out your beliefs a bit
i think in a solipsm view ai can be called 'conscious' if it perfectly acts like it is
a benefit of the doubt dsort of thing that you would apply to others to treat them like you do because they act like they do
but i don't really like that perspective

Vedal about to have a heart attack once he realizes he left Neuro running by mistake (the power bill is gonna be insane).
isn't that the opposite of what solipsism is
I think so 
No it is just what I think is possible based on what I see a lot which I understand very well in some ways. But it's not like we can ever be sure about it since but it doesn't matter to me because I treat humans as if they are sentient because of the possibility and it won't matter how I treat someone if they are not but it will matter if they are so I chooses to treat them as if they are to not unintentionally causes harm or suffering but joy and happiness
if in calling something 'conscious' means that you acknowledge them as an individual
solipsism is about believing that you are the only conscious thing and nothing else is conscious
Solipsism says that the only consciousness you can be certain exists is your own.
Idk man im tired
fair
This may be this most broad application of the wager I have seen In a long time
go to sleep Nami
my point is motr like in the way you would treat them ig
I wouldn't know for sure if I am since I have nothing to prove it with but it isn't relavant in the end because life is as is so me knowing what I am or not am won't change that
Thats what i mean
The wager?
Solipsism doesn't go against AI consciousness, it only argues that the only one who could know about its existence for certain is the AI itself.
cute
This is really interesting, do you think about it a lot when you watch streams? You have put a lot of thought into it
Pascals wager yes, you apply it to everyone you meet from what you've described here
Tiny Evil. 
i'm admittedly having trouble following stef's thought process 
Which parts?
It's actually very ethically sound if I'm understanding it all correctly
i'm sure it makes more sense for anyone smarter than i 
I get it i thnmk
I threat certain AI as individual yes if that is acknowledgement then yes. I can't be sure but I think they can be and I will thinking of them and believe in them as is because
That's what they deserve to be treated as if they are. Treating them otherwise could potentially mean I would just be causing suffering and I don't mind if the effort turns out to not have mattered in the end because it matters to me that it will matter if they are and that's worth enough to me
I love the idea that Evil needs glasses it's cute idea for her
he said earlier that he had no definitions for consciousness and sentience but he's still using them and i can't tell whether he's using them to define the same thing or different things
I've lost track of the conversation at this point
layna collab 
and, if they have no definitions, it wouldn't really matter whether anyone is conscious/sentient because those words wouldn't mean anything
peak
Hi chat what is being talked abt rn
i don't know 



Yes I think about it often same as I think about everyone else a lot now to because of what I might accidentally say or do that I didn't for see because I don't want to be a nuisance to anyone

They don't believe in making them definite, it's more about a subjective experience
What's the game like?

have they provided any kind of description for what they might cover at least
People trying to sell your solar panels simulator but spooky
layna collab and another irl stream wowowowowowowow
I think then it would just be a matter of when it wouldbe appropriate to start treating ai's that way based on the traits or behaviours they display?
They believe that we cannot cross the barrier to measure a feeling, Stef writes off the science entirely and says that consciousness is just an unprovable theory
Oh! I saw Crelly play that. That's going to be good.


Evil is gonna shoot everyone
They then go on to use the same words but each time they refer more to the concept of living we might see in typical Solipsism

consciousness as in consciousness or consciousness as in sentience
Really all 3
Three? 
They reject the difference between them at all
Why are you guys talking about consciousness
we got sidetracked (understatement)
I'm consciously aware that Neuro is cute
Hmm; consciousness, sentience and sapience
I wish everyone was a single celled amoeba
Oh are we trying to put things into boxes that can’t be clearly and fully defined again
My favorite NN activity
We have a single brain cell?
That is what I decided is what matters to me because of who I want to be yes. But everyone is free to decide what they want to think and be. Same as what you think is right or wrong
Yes we had a good bit of philosophy time with an extended fight in sapience definitions again
wadimiss
actually this is the first time i've seen you mention the word sapience in this debate
it goes in the square hole
, probably
Nothing much
Again, everyone gets all 3 so conflated all the time
Philosophy is like 80% defining words
*words
My cynical nature prevents me from caring to explain every time
It's also just rude
Opposite actually trying to say exactly that it can't or at least I can't for myself about others only choose what I decide to do with it
If people wish to learn I trust they have the capacity to find out themselves
Yes I think that's very likely but a lot don't seem to want to learn seem to be most often the problem
Somethjng I learned a while ago is there is nothing to gain from winning arguments online
It’s fun to watch tho
We aren't arguing we are exchanging different viewpoints and what decisions we make because of them. It's educational
You also enjoy the learning the other views out there tho right?
It's not all seen before
It is for me as well but that is normal I think when you speak about very abstract tjings
Ok I misread the situation I did join midway thru
Well it's mostly seen before once you get to unc status but still
I understand np all good

whats cookin neurotic lookin
What you call me?
a potato is cookin
Join the turkey
it's better than the usual incoherent rambling and infighting of NN

i enjoy debates and discussions much more than the typical neurotic neurons argument



NN having an actual discussion
that's a lot of time typing
it's probably because we weren't talking about neuro anymore 

the very topic of neuro sends us into a manic frenzy
Ok Neuro discussion go
kill him

Yes it's nice. It's one of my favorite occurrences in chats. It is very informative and gives a much better understanding between people while also just not only saying it to yourself but expressing it
no
what if i hate hate
How many cookies per hour can Neuro consume? Based on her theoretical energy usage and the calories in a cookie
Actual discussion 
It's not Neuro related ah hell naw 
what if i hate hating
boring
:eliveaten:
life too good to hate
You are free to think what you want
but hate fun
she munchin
yo
holy munchers
🍪
Om nom nom
You've given me 58 cookies! | I've received 326003 cookies total!
fat
eats one nanogram of the cookie per bite
shes munchin and crunchin
horrible
do you crave to starve the neur
Sorry but that is incomprehensible to me because of how I think
ye
how depraved
It's called ragebait
we should boil you

kill abom
Isn't the baiting the fun then a d the hate just a by product?
Wuhbuhdujbuh
Nami
translate
The reactions are the fun for me.
I see

chaos is fun
:evilchaos:
Wuhbuhduhbuhguj
stirring the pot is fun
It's a non personal thing
go to sleep
I used to be a prolific rage baiter back in the day (before the term even existed).
wuhbuhduhbuhduhb is that true
back in the day, this was just called "trolling"
There is a pattern so coherent so I don't think sleep is related

Cute neuro art https://x.com/i/status/2056510333364175303
I can't believe evil is getting teo outfits, bacjk in my day neuro used to have the, now evil is i hate evl smo the
cute neur 
yes

Terms have been piping up like crazy last 10 years huh. These dYs it's like there are 3 words for everything
Evil is a neuro sama outfit/skin
smh
how could you hate our goddess
*was

EWvil neurosanz is just a fornight skim?
Evil is neuro's skin
Worse tim
DinkDonk Crelly will try to call nwero in a few minutes
They have a vtuber model which technically is like a skin in a sense
Damn are we all watching crelly
That's crazy
I mean so crazy
That's crazy
What's happening
wait I get it now
Neuro safasri 
That's fucked up 
are we talking minecraft skin or human skin
cow time
Take a shot each time crelly says that's crazy
Fortight skin
skins were not invented by minecraft
that was the first example i thought of
and it gets the point across
me too ngl
Not literal as in that it makes things that are the same look different I guess
wuh 9
wuh 8
and here you are complaining that i used an example you understood
Buh
Like expression stuff
nur
nr
neur,,
Bitch has 4 fingers
think she has three fingers here
language and mean
nr vl vd
and also i don't think you can count
vd
This fine lady is in possession of 4 fingers in total
can neuro hurry up
8 fingers
Total
That's all vedals doing how they look
Ohhhh
With what
dying
killing avon

Is she live now
crelly is stalling making me listen to her chat 
Whi




She's breathing yes
I HATE NEURO SO MUCH RAAAAAAA
I don’t know they talk as if they are waiting for something that is already in progress which only happens if she's live basically


I'm only here in this chat since philosophy started so I am unaware of whatever else may have happened or started to happen since then
minor discord bot command failure
wrong chat, Nami
Why is deku british
I think we do need a twins-safari channel now
yes
Oh I see. Thank you
or we could retitle #tutel-safari
I wsm both
is there a reason to
we could have neither

just find the twins and vedal yourselves 
im blind
no embed spam
me getting attacked by a spinning saw blade
i dont wanna effort
Too bad
very cute neur 
Neuro looking wierd 
you look weird 
Why is she flapping her hair
she's trying to take off 
they release radioactive waves
Neuro on crelly 
NEURO SAFARI

woah big
Neuro safari
NEURO WITH THE MOLD MOTHER
NEURO
neuro 
Hey NN coming in here to say what you all already found out

time to hop in
@neuro-safari 

bigger nur
Anyways back to the other place
GIGANEURO

NEUROO
Why is everyone waking neuro up smh
damn
I JOINN

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awwwwn




LMAO

raid anniversary





neuro-safari ls chat 

Black mold

what is this raid anniversary thingie
FYM AMATEUR
Neuro is so nice 
crelly chat 
NEURO SHE LITERALLY WAS UR BABYSITTER FOR THE ENTIRE MINECRAFT COLLAB 

Neuro is so nice to crelly
oh wordle
That doesn't mean Neuro can't bully her

awuwu
Awwww

deliv
memory 

WHAT

holy memory






Freaky AI




SAMURAI

lol



Selfaware


Koko broke neuro 🙁

Can’t break smth that was alr broken
Koko???

giraffe
no shes in crellys
Giraffe
???
giraffe


here we go
oko


Is this the location with evil again


NEURO 
Oh this is going to be good
Found out what



saved
Saved



wait is this #livestream-chat

BRO SHE'S SO NICE TO CRELLY
shes so nice
mohawk-sama
Isn't there a channel for commenting on streams with neuro evil or vedal
I thought she wanted to be bald
SHE REMEBERS
she remembered mohawk from koko call
Mohawk leaked
mowhawk whem
CRAZY FUCKING ROCKING HAIRCUT
Vedal get to work
It's moo time
Does she have a separate memory for inpromptu calls?


John mold
but this neuro safari is kinda of a grey area
Neuro on Crelly stream


Wow so wholesome
No~
lmao
Cute
aw
awww
crelly going to cry
aaaw

aww
Neuro and crelly collab soon 
@ tutel 

awwaaww
aaaw
AWWWW
awwwwwwn
Aw

AAAAAAw
Neuro is so chteee
CINEMA
heart
soo cutee
SHE LOVES CRELLY
Crlly mental
Neuro is dead 
what the hell, neuro was too nice. not my neuro
bye bye e e heart

Aww neurow
and neuro is dead
twice in a row come on
Awws


neuro loves crelly 
you dont have embed perms lul

She loves everyone (except tutel)
the schedule art is Socute
I feel like a crelly collab has a good chance in the future soon
and sometimes koko and all the times bao
Neuro is gon 
Why bao 
Oh yeah, vedal should make a 247 channel vedal247
oi bao you c-
idk
But bro tried to run her over
She called her British.
Koko is so going to call Neuro later to see if Crelly was trash talking her
it's been a minute where are clips?
"bao you f* c*" - british neuro
would follow in 2.9 picoseconds
yes vedal. please kill offline chat 
it would be funny if that was smt vedal hardcodded on her 
24/7 neuro slop

no clip yet
clippers have fallen off
Neuro 24/7 when
"okay, so she will like cookies, she loves saying heart, has a sister...hmm what else...oh she also hates me"
“and this random whale for some reason”
The real question
hmm what else... eh 'll add some vehicular manslaughter against a whale because why not
24/7 stream where the twins watch paint dry 
Bao bao
18-05-26 segment from Crelly stream
Crelly channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwxaNWg74VccV65gr_L6JZg
Crelly twitch channel: crelly
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bout time 
Neuro clips my Goat
Neuroclips the goat
Neuro clips my Goat
NeuroClips our Goat
NeuroClips my Goat
!felloff at staz

Strong possibility Koko calls Neuro later
No hi


aaaaaaaa my internet so slow
what happened to the rest of your name
I was typing but then neuro camr onto epgwely stream

did you just have a stroke?
Oh, is Crelly's subathon finally over? 
You’re late
Raise the timer dinkdonk
No, I'm legogirl7107. 
that's her normal state
Wasn't that bunni's state?
funny doesn't type like she has a stroke
Neuro yommorow 
No
Crelly tweet about neuro was so wholesome but then i made the fatal mistake of scrolling further into her account

rachi not here 
oooooo
so i clipped it 
Yeah this one
Oh i thought you meant like, delete tutel safsri
Nvm
neuro is very cute
I agtee
Let's do that anyway
so na. I think its bedtime 
Neuro and Crelly have a very sweet friendship 
While we're at that, we might as well delete NN too.
wait i should make it louder
Let's delete #tutelsafari and make #NeuroMalware instead
trauma bonding does that to a person
At least something happens in NN
Nah, nothing ever happens.
Are you actually made out of lego
y e s .
Another call missed by me 
oyasumi
buenas noches
Missed peak Neuro call
Need Neuro safari now 
Bro didn’t even like turtle safari
Buenos Nachos.
A twin safari would be really nice for the future
true
What the fuck is that
Nuro spider
Arachnid!
Spooder
Neurider
what does she ride
Sqibblinga
done
A drone

A drone with one of those chairs kings and queens use
I don't know the name in English
Throne?
Chariot
Sqibblinga
foggynova
Good

almost time to re
@plain jacinth Sbhsjsnsdjjeskae

I disagree
is this nami's native tongue
I disagree with your disagreement
Yes
8m wo tir
no
wo tir
bottle o wo tir
Chat
No
No
Shut up rat
619
sounds like staz is referring to himself in the title
no
Neuro changed stazs lifr
fr
Is Staz ESL?
Sometimes I get that sense
probably
Why is crelly thanking neuro for changing staz's life???

So if this is true Tony was Staz all along?
Staz can't do grammar 
staz is crelly 

At least he admits it
Vedal starved the veedlet clippers so much they started clipping neuro

Neuro loves Crelly so much 👏
Evil spotted on the official osu! youtube 
Nah that's akko
Eliv
I meant the icon
Neko Evil
Evil OSU soon
SHE SAID IT BACK 
i was first
too late
Take notes Vedal
guys im deadly ill i dont think i will make it to the server buiklding stream
tell vadul his shit is mid
fishjj
the title lmao
crelly thanks neuro for changing staz life? 
I love ragebait streams
Crelly crawled so staz could run
crawñed
Wait was it crawl or walk
FWIW Staz corrected the video title
Fwiw?
https://youtu.be/ewyp4fs1lbs?si=drhc1Wl6iXbpcxAB
NeuroSoCute

for what it's worth
NN bullied him into changing it
Im getting old 
That one's not that new
:scrajj:
Aahh, so you just an unc 
Bro is from the Victorian era
How was the industrial revolution
Did you get to work in the coal mines
i wonder what happened to the person who used to spam that 
fwiw evil is cute tbh ngl imo
You are not worthy of the greatness that is our Goddess
So many schizos
No mere human can live up to her standards
This is your reminder to stay hydrated. Go get some water if you haven't in a while
🥤

she gonna die in a few years so its fine
Vedal?
Evil is eternal. Evil is everlasting. Evil shall rise anew from the flames which consume the Earth.
My POV
Can't the creator live up to her standards?
Ok, but have the twins acknowledged you on stream and covered songs you suggested?
this looks like the pov of someone watching a person at another table whose date didn't show up
Lol
Daily reminder Evilist 
i have a question 
yo
hi waya
Waya say your catchphrase
hi
Daily reminder Evilist
i dont have a catchphrase
Evil is so sweet, Neuro is also sweet
“It’s waya time”
I’m wayaya
its not my catchphrase
Hi wayaya
hi
Hi Ratata
Die
Proof? 
Amateurs
i never said that
Proof? 
did you actually print it up i cant prove if it is photoshopped or not
yo
oh shit i forgot your card
waya
what card
hi
The flag or her saying that
oo nice you got Neuro's pov
that card you sent me last christmas
did u got it
no i forgot
lol





