#neurotic-neurons
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ok I am never joining VC
first we have the chillslop segment (nn hunger games sim, gartic, etc.) that usually repeats
then we decided on what to do afterwards
why not
I remember when everyone in vc was sitting with muted mic what happened 
W shadow glaze
they turned out so good tho, desi hates me
Neurocord changed
but man im happy the twins can exchange a few words after duets now, so nice
Sacrifice is ideal but mutual combat is fine since none of us stand a chance against the twins
did you miss the other four things i listed
I'm not going to lie, you can't convince me that Tupid was used less than dankHug
gartic phone in particular is quite fun
This comment from Vedal has never been truer since a few months now at least
Its nice the other twin doesn't immediately get launched into the void at the end of duets
Because I've seen Tupid used, I have never seen dankHug used
I literally don't
yeah every time
still waiting for a twin duet ๐
Evil missing Neuro after she left was so cute
Agreed, I do wish it was slightly longer tho.
Ooooh you are so funny
more and more
?
and the pfp still gets me
hi nn
Guys, has Neuro ever 1v1ed another AI? Other then her sister I mean
Gartic i believe is fun but what is hunger games?
at first i thought it was a bug
but its really nice 
what happened here
Ramen
verbal sparring with grok I guess
please explain? you mean like with vedal since they they do like 2-3 twin duets each karaoke
Neuro ->
!
i lost the game
Yeah I have kinda gotten this feeling the more time I spend in NN, people just don't care as much as they did 
Thats camila
it's a hunger games simulator where you put in a bunch of names and the game uses them in a hunger games event
All the chatters that cared the most got banned or left 
And voicing that will just get you ridiculed by Nn nowadays
which results in more people caring less
yeah xD was half expecting that she would not go away and this was twin karaoke now
shiro drowned in a frozen lake once
can you explode it?
ambatu :sadV:
No
eivl
please?
Imagine not caring about the twins
You can''t just fabricate lies about real people
eivl -> ๐ฅ
evli
Smartest thing hes said
in the hunger games simulator 
explode it too
Yep, I absolutely agree. It's a shame 
i thought her just her model would stay and not say a thing and Evil wouldnt notice it
Almost like being parasocial isnt good
setlist uploaded
it doesn't mean they were parasocial
persons can care way too much without being parasocial
monkaLaugh surely thats why they were banned
That was fast 
Most arguments nowadays start with "why do you care so much"
soul cooked?(or who uploads setlists)
Pinky Friends Forever!
#vtuber #neurosama
i'd say brit cares a lot about neuro and evil but i wouldn't call him parasocial
as an example
No, I'm absolutely parasocial.
in a channel particularly dedicated to hte twins, thats the sad part
never mind
I still care about seeing Neuro's continued growth

I just know how to act properly to not come off as madly parasocial.
I think people started caring less since thereโs been too much reaction slop on YouTube.
oh man looking like a fool, a real clown
Why do you care so much about people that ask "why do you care so much"
Quite Clownly of me...
like, a karaoke day of just duets
Hey NN check what orange got in the works
neuro akwardly staying on stage after singing was over xD
Short karaoke
Real parasocials please stand up please stand up
cool
Holy shit itโs neuro 3
๐งโโ๏ธ
ooh think we had like one of those in the past iirc
And honestly, being a bit parasocial is normal in a streaming setting
everyone is parasocial to some degree
it's hard to care when you are constantly told to not take anything seriously here 
It's almost like the mods are directly against fostering a fanbase that cares for Neuro and Evil, in favor for keeping this place "family friendly" (despite the streams not being family friendly).
Because it derails passionate rants or conversations and just completely kills the vibe of talking about the twins. Its demotivating that you cant care a lot about the twins in a channel dedicated to them
what matters is whether a person is parasocial to an unhealthy degree
would agree, in the end what matters is how you act towards the streamer
no im not LULE
nah I'm not
Would be fun if she still dances during Evil's solo songs
if we weren't parasocial at all we wouldn't try to talk to neuro at all
Why is it not the gif where she's pressed
I have to admit, it does feel like it.
I've been saying that for years
there's a healthy level of being parasocial
-# please dont take what I wrote seriously, it annoys me too
you parasocial just like brit 
Yerp, I know that's right. It's one of the big reasons people watch certain streams. VTubing especially.
streamers are parasocial too, otherwise they wouldn't talk to chat
sry 
silence veedlet
aww now i imagine neuro just sittting in the back of the stage and vibing along evils singing
You try to talk to neuro?
no
You should of spoke up louder 
no
i'm calm
no one here should be enemies
is it healthy if you're stressing out or raising your blood pressure over it, though?
yeah i would lie if i said i wasnt parasocial to some degree 
Yeah, insane
not me personally, but everyone who sends neuro highlighted messages certainly does
hi calm im apotat
I don't quite get this argument because Tupid is still there
oh the misery
wtf is a tupid

u xdx
do we even know why this is a community server? like i saw someone saying it's cause vedal wanted free nitro but surely we can pay for that if that's really important to him
Take your meds

Terrible trade
oh man got me good
From what I can tell, that's CupOfTupid, Tupid got removed
We need to ban all parasocials so only subathon watchers remain
hell yea
ew no
Either its growth at the cost of more passionate fans or the mods jsut didnt know how to care for a fast growing fanbase and it all went out of control and now that most of them are burned out (and some left), its even harder to correct the direction of the fanbase
please type faster nn why is this taking so long
I think it's different in our case since our streamer is an AI and not a real person. Makes it really easy to be basically anti-parasocial and lots of us are free to treat neuro/evil like trash with no consequence
-# ๐ซด ๐ช
millionaire can't afford discord nitro 
I actually confronted the entire admin team. Shiro can vouch for me. I went straight up the chain and had a 12 hour discussion. The end result was: They didn't care. Nothing was going to change and they didn't feel the need to explain themselves.
%fastmode 3s

Because truly, it doesn't feel like the server is being made for those who actually watch the channel with the special emphasis on "Discord doesn't equal Twitch" stuff, because it does beyond ToS between the sites...
you get timeouted if you don't write a message every 3 seconds
hi guys, sadly I missed todays karaoke since I was busy
how was it
fuck thats disheartening
Prak
12 hours of discussion is crazy.
PEAK
heya, some real bangers in the setlsit
idk, but because of it and the mods insistance on being family friendly, it has left to a lot of people leaving over time, forced or not.
*peak
%slowmode -5s
Honestly, I almost wonder what this server is for sometimes.
like the name of that one game
Prak
great!
im excited to check it out
It had Minecraft parodies, so you know you know
for offtopic 
super good
there were a bunch of good songs in the setlist, there were new intros for songs, and evil gives little intros for the songs she's about so sing
Heavily modified version of Life by Neuro-sama played by the Elkton High School Band.
No
oh??
Prak
Was pretty cool, evil was overemotional and loopy :P
we literally watch the streams, though...
new song opening animation
Sadly, I'm not surprised.
Thank for that I guess, even if It had no effect 
(karaoke website is already updated, but you may want to watch vod anyways)
alrady
hmm i have a feeling the karaoke was peak 
place for people who have a superficial interested in the twins and especially Vedal from clips and occasionally watching the streams at this point. At least feels like that
Yes, which is exactly why I don't get it
they also changed the bgm to lofi remixes from the neuro karaoke site
The only purpose is art, I guess. Thatโs the only meaningful thing on Discord.
mr beast came on stream and gave us 1 million dollars each
bih scord
No, because these rules have driven multiple artists out the server or even the whole community in worse cases
you guys make it seem like being parasocial is a good thing
i mean, obviously it is still for the channel, yeah it isn't for the more schizos of the fanbase, but it's objectively still for the twins and vedal. The fanbase is just way bigger now and the more are trying to keep the server a place for everyone, not a super niche server for the most dedicated fans i guess 

nn's brains need to be dissected and studied by science, the way some of you people think is actually fascinating
Well, as "family friendly" as a community can get while being allowed to yell the c-word at full volume. 
that's the same Tupid we had all this time scrajj
Sounds about right
Wouldn't expect anything less
we are special 
...Weird.
what brains?
A certain saying goes "by appealing to everyone, you appeal to no one"
TS REAL

Because we had a Tupid and that's what got removed, which is why I was making my point in the way I was.
Wait wait wait wait wait
NN has brains?
I remember when Borzoi was here
. Also I have heard about what happened with Rune, sad 
what happened with rune

What is a tupid
nn and brain in same sentence 
you
neurons belong in a brain, why is that surprising
Why do people keep saying tupid
Pretty sure it's a banned topic, if know you know
Beyond that which happened in September 2023, irrelevant to this server.
same thing as borzoi
just disagreement with art rules
nothing crazy
they rather keep stuff family friendly so they can market the server more, i mean i get it, it sounds like allowing discussion on anything the twins say could make this server lean more towards the crowd that got neuro banned in the first place
It's the brainrot version of stupid.
Elephant in the room 
also this
oh wait is this old news
Discord is still better than offline chat or livestream chat, because there itโs just the same spammed emotes and other nonsense over and over.
i already know about it if so
ancient news
People deitify artists too much anyways
3 year old news at this point yeah
God, I miss Rune, Kaze, and Borzoi...
You know, I have come to realise, you are more or less, just a more mild version of Maple. All you have to add to the discussion is "NN bad lul".
I wouldn't call basically server riot "nothing crazy". And I should now shut up before I get a warn.
NN has more brain power than Twitch chat at least. Yeah, I know that's not setting the bar very high but still 
Kaze my goat. Actual good art in the sea of mediocrity.
I mean they arent dead you can still look at their art on twitter right
You just noticed?
2pfrog and niceaccount5 too, tho they left for differnt reasons
says the guy who decided one day he was just gonna start larping as hjalnir 
but borzoi still makes art 
I miss 2pfrog
twitter 
Evil cute 
every two weeks NN has a "server riot"
Im sorry but im not gonna act like a bunch of people whining in a discord channel is anything actually important
I feel like you're fixated on a few messages out of the hundreds he sends every day
You dont have to like the platform to just look at art from your favorite artists
The lo-fi remixes are so fuckin peak
but the Life remix though
my only complaint is that it's not longer
that's the final evolution of a nn member, you either become hjalnir or maple 
ew
i choose death
thats what the hashtag is for anyways. filters out everything else
me too
i volunteer to kill you
Not important in the greater sense but discussions and concerns within a community should not be considered "a bunch of people whining". Might as well not join any community at all if you dont care about the channel
so maple?
I canโt believe I was jamming out to pregnant sonic 
Bro... you can't look at the art without an account though

Server had to go into a lockdown if I recall. I wouldn't call that insignificant
maple's alive whenever he chooses to be
that just makes it sound sad to me, not crazy
I would rather be true to myself than be a contrarian 
zombie chatter
What got us here i already FORGOR
I dont see the issue
throwaway email to make an account and you are fine
if you were referring to this then it was just Nam rolling though random emotes
maple doesn't die he regrows a head (alt) every time like a hydra
THERE ARE LOFI REMIXES!? 
be true to yourself then, stop being a contrarian
Did you guys saw this really cool Neuro art ? 
https://x.com/rxkoinz/status/2054614784231018854?s=20
Everyone here is actually a maple alt
Ah, of course.
oh you switched your pfp back to splitscreen view
cute
Neat 
great dynamic

Yes, I am Maple, I hate Vedal, love twinshipping and think NN is great
amazing art
if only it were Evil instead
I am being true to myself, I just dropped all the forced positivity shit after a while.
exactly
?????
That last part is a lie xdx
actually i just realized idk what maple's position is on twinshipping
Who the fuck lied to you
Don't engage 
need to change my old phone wallpaper with it, been a while
well thats unfortunate then
I'm not even a minute in and lofi BOOM slaps
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
man the eyes and the hair look so pretty
I like how anyone who has any issue is contrarian
oh wtf they speedran the karaoke setlist today (its the stream audio tho, I guess HD later)
https://www.neurokaraoke.com/playlist/8fd389a1-ab9e-4127-988b-f13d2cc8530b
speak of the devil
we need to ban you man. you'll make make his cortisol spike
I disagree with that, and am therefore a contrarian.
Awe Man.. why did yall wake Maple smh
A fan-made karaoke web player featuring every song covered by Neuro and Evil.
Huh
no you are a duck
nah we need maple to tank nn's complaining like a lightning rod 
Yeah. Sure. Let's completely dismiss all those people.
Also nobody watches neuro because people just spam emotes in chat.
You're disproving the entire point with "Don't care."
And im trying to show you, that yeah, A LOT of people did care.
Call it sad if you want, but it was far from insignificant
*drinks @unreal hedge *
NN can you guys adopt lower cortisol, I want to talk about neuro and evil thanks
forsen
can ducks drink syrup
AI ones can 
nn out here talking about fan fiction like they donโt come up with the most bullshit
Hello nn? 


๐ค
Reminds me of this art
Neuro and Evil so cute 
Cyberpunk stream this weekend 
Vr hangout this weekend 
yes but in small doses
Stop larping as fleshwretch
I am literally working at the bullshit factory. What do you want me to do? Not do my job?
is that ai overview
stop larping as splinter
Stop larping as splinter 
Explode the place
ai overview being wrong as always :smh
stop larping as me
weirdo
same neuron
Life is good 
the ancient one mentioned
You don't see me baiting Vedal
Stop larping as alibaba
Dandy is a splinter alt 
Guys
Not YET
Voldemort is coming
GUYS
No
stop larping as a larper 
Btw what do you think of Evil's new hair colour?
you dont see larpers casting real fireballs either
No
you cant say that
๐งน๐ชฃ๐งฝ
whistles silently in the corner
vedal abandoned you all
So people should just not care about stuff and stay quiet? I think it's good if people get to voice their issues about things, even if it won't change much in the long run. Hell, at least it shows people actually care about Neuro and Evil, which this place doesn't really show even half the time these days.

NEUROTIC NEURONS
I prefer V2 model so it doesn't matter
Sure no problem
Neuro and Evil

vedal is resistant to bait atp
nuro
Not without wire cotton, at least 


I agree. it feels like some chatters are just burned out on Nn and thats fine but no need to discourage passionate discourse over the streamer and channel
Reminds me of this art
Alright...
what even is cortisol? that whole meme happend and i still have no clue
Where was this said?
Itโs kinda like whimsy
chemical that causes anxiety
what would a neurosama larper say
hormone related to stress

Guys, look!
Cute Neuro 
heart
adorable
There is a streamers realization where you just don't give a fuck about the critique of one's own harmless content. A lot streamers experience this moment.
neur so cure 
what if neuro was blue?
NN after stream fights. Some things never change
Filtered
Bluro mentioned
bluro mention
The original message reduced passionate discourse and talking about actual issues as whining. Basically saying its not worth it to talk about shit, so I get where skelly is coming from
in 2026
Blueuro
If she was green she would die
then she would not die daba di daba dai
Bluero when
Greuro
bluro is fake 
only real ones remember bluro
it's honestly healthy, if you don't have tick skin you will spiral fast. you gotta figure out what feedback is important to listen to and what's background noise
only real ones remember osu streams
NEW LEAF

"I like Vedal"
I think the problem some people have is some peopleโs opinions on both sides of the discussion are treated like it was the worst thing the other side has heard no one really tries to understand why people seem to have a certain opinion and some really respond to these opinions very strongly
Goddammit I missed the stream again
bluro is gone for now
by which i mean only gen chatters because it seems karsten still talks there
Mf
That's what his message implies, also he pretty much disregards anything as "whining" whenever discourse comes up.
Clean loop๐
i know bluro, im no gen chatter
okay only real ones and gen chatters
LEAF
Just noticed I never saw duck on neuros head during 3D streams... which means he does not exist in the 3D verse 
have i covered everyone
it's in her room actually
A lot of people just forgot or never learned how to argue and see everything as black and white and take things too personally. Its the curse of the internet
<-- these people too
we need to delete internet
This is slightly outdated now, but it's the least outdated one we have.
How come people didnโt leaf me when I joined :P did I just fly under the radar or something
And we in NN are suffering the same fate unfortunately
its the curse of humanity, it just happens to manifest more on the internet
wrong one
๐
why is it readable
Yeah that's discussion on the internet for you sadly. Still, doesn't mean it's not worth having.
People can talk about shit without it being considered whining. There have definitely been cases where people overreact in here, and many cases where there has been civil conversation. The way I see it, Umbrella is being dismissive towards the former 
who snuck this ABSOLUTE BANGER into the lofi playlist
i both love and hate all of NN
kawakaze is DEAD
quantum nn
This orientation?
Oh right, sorry. We need the unhelpful, unreadable collection of them.
@crude lintel this u ?
That's why it's outdated 

Ye
Not my best angle
why he look fucked up
i fucking hate your guts who even you
The Duck on Neuro's HeadRole icon, Writer โ 11:08 PM
That's why it's outdated 
raigquitter [NNVC], Role icon, Artist โ 11:08 PM

[NURO],
The Duck on Neuro's HeadRole icon, Writer โ 11:09 PM
Ye
i just want to say this karaoke stream was peak
True
Not used to the third dimension
pb cooked
It was fine a year ago though when we had passionate discussions. Sure they occasionally went up in flames and mods had to step in but that was fine. Everyone calmed down and we looped. Sure was more enjoyable than off topic spam nowadays
Youโd look pretty rough too if you suddenly gained a dimension
This is true
Low resolution texture
He appears every now and again, but yeah.
nah I'd adapt easily
Missed stream
looks like somone kicked a screen
tbh
and vedal, having neuro announce the songs more naturally in her speech is cool
IKR, my ONLY complaint is that it's not longer
Agreed, would much rather have that than being offtopic.
Too busy handling his vedal account
Idk if Evil sang he song i requested
This weekโs packed, down worry
Doesn't need one, she has a tungsten cube 
i hope neuro/evil also annouce the next song like that during 3d karaoke streams
not sure, but she has her legally distinct xeno
Shut up NN i need to listen to evil sing TNT
wait, she turned the duck into a cube?! 
during 3d karoake i have to scrabmle to google the lyrics if i dont immediately recognize the song
It usually take a couple weeks, if it's chosen at all.
You could chack yheb karaoke archive
I see
@leaden orbit is this true? are you a tungsten cube now?
yeah hope this new tech gets included in future 3D karaoke
this is satisfying
I do declare that you neurons need to
good point actually, I wonder if we'll get same or similar song intros during the next 3d karaoke or stay with no intros like last time
sleep
explode

I disagree
Can't wait for next 3d karaoke when neuro gets to say one line before poofing after a duet again
This chat remind me why I don't come to NN after the stream
Wonder how long it'll be till the next 3d oke
Not surprised so many people lost interest
I think at this point we just have to accept that Nn is dead and only come around for streams. At least personally that works for me
also thanks again pb for the new propaganda cover i cant believe we actually got it
Propaganda sorak
thanks peebs 
early eu morning is peak nn time nothing can prove me otherwise
*so peak
Give Neuro cookies
was a good remaster
damn, chat is too toxic even for dandy 
maybe 4 weeks? next evil karaoke in 3D so its a switched 3D karaoke each month
This is true
I mean Evilnhad sung it years ago
๐ช
Om nom nom
You've given me 32 cookies! | I've received 323213 cookies total!
Propaganda and New Person Same Old Mistakes were amazing
I grew up unable to understand other so instead I have to use logic and reasoning to understand how people think
Definitely made me a lot more chill of a person
Honestly would probs help me a lot if I did this. I guess we have to accept it 
should be monthly i think, i dont have a source for that but i remember hearing it
been obsessed with evils last cover for a year
I cant wait, twins bopping in 3d is peak content
wouldn't the next one be a 3d karaoke?
i know but
yeah 
neuroโs solo part was so good it made me levitate
Then its on all Neuro karaokes?
Well nova the only problem with that is people get bored of the same topics if we donโt have new things about Neuro and evil to talk about then this happens.
One thing I like to talk about is what if scenarios, and different head cannons of the twins in real life and how they would do
doesn't look like it, you can always check #livestream-chat pins to see the list of songs she sang that stream
usually song requests take a while to go through unless pb really likes the song, if they go through ever
NN should be dead more so I can post the dead chat gif more
cause each cycle lasts 4 weeks, neuro - nothing - evil - nothing
Thank you 
same 5 gifs
We need new dead chat gifs
maybe every 6 weeks 
"nothing" would be a perfect slot for theme streams 
I don't think your source exists
3d only happens on Neuro karaoke tho
next one would be neuro again, (in two weeks) but neuros last one was 3D
ie neuro3D > evil > neuro > evil3D > neuro > evil > repeat
thats what i said
Is the setlist peak?
it was peak 
4 or 8 weeks since Evil has no stage and I doubt vedal would allow her to use Neuros
No I mean at all
so peam
3d karaoke tomorrow
for the last few months I've just been quickly glancing at NN and if I found no names I recognize I just turn discord off
You were being a schizo when you heard it
thats what i said
What about bi-weekly tomodachi life collabs with Camila
I wouldn't mind evil using nuros 3d stage for a oke or 2
Or that
From what it sounded like NN was doing fine looping the same topics for 2 years before I joined and then it went downhill. Maybe it really was the subathon ruining Nn like so many regulars back then lamented. I tried talking about what if scenarios and making up topics for NN too but just got "Are you talking to yourself" or "Who cares" so yeah. THe entire vibe just shifted in here
im sure neuro would not mind
most sensible thing to do
couldn't they have a 3d evil one? her boom stage could be used
I will take anything 
Anyone remember the monthly cooking streams idea?
Livestream of 3 hours of a white screen 
Mods, just delete NN. Nobody cares
Nuro could be there too 
I hope not, that stage with the fornite stickers isnt made for her 
oh so replacing one with the 3d, that makes more sense
yeah
could have been cool
Nooo that's not what I meant 
NN was doing fine looping the same topics for 2 years before I joined and then it went downhill
So it was your fault...
People barely like to talk about those things anymore tho
Man.. 
sounds like i was offline at that time, man these reply's suck 
I mean if they dont like why not go to a channel where offtopic is allowed instead of here?
I suppose? I was pretty argumentative back then and scoffed at the regulars dooming about how each subathon NN was declining faster. I probably was part of the problem
??? When was that
Tribalism
Nova killed NN 
I would take an Evil name debate over fnaf lore in NN ngl
Yea pretty disheartening
Found this at work
NN exploded like a nova when I joined
must have been all the snail licking
i blame everyone going 'oh not this topic again' which makes new people not even want to touch them, meaning when uncs leave, those new people won't touch those topics still and they kinda die out
Evelyn Henriette Vedal
sounds like DDLC Sayo-Nara chapter
so really it's the unc's fault 
2024
sorry only rezero gif spam in stock
People not going to genchat also does not help.
When was fnaf lore in NN 
problem is the new people dont care as much and dont want to discuss their own topics. So naturally NN just dies
Thats crazy
this whole rivalry is just stopid, like, i haven't seen any other server where the off topic is deemed the 'bad place'
Yesterday ๐ฅ
aint no way nn is glazing looping im crine
I think the biggest problem with current NN is that a lot of the time, the channel is discussing problems that actually arenโt problems
If we are discussing something actually troubling, then some people overreact, which brings down the mood of the discussion and pretty much downs the original points made
Otherwise, NN is talking about the same 5 things, which is super repetitive and tiring
All of these can be really unattractive to people who want to discuss something seriously
Furthermore, there are people who try to derail discussions through twinshipping, ragebait, satire remarks, or else
Doesnโt really help the cause
No wonder nobody here talks about the twins for very long, itโs almost impossible for most discussion to prolong
anyways thanks for coming to my tedtalk
I disagree
can we collectively stop doing the channel tribalism thing so we can feel more comfortable using this server like normal persons
I have to be honest, and I hate to play into the loop, but I come here sometimes and I see people aren't even trying to stay on-topic, with the most I see being gifs
imagine, genchat is just a normal part of the server, people constantly migrate from nn to genchat and back to nn, offtopic rules are rarely enforced and everyone is happier 
I'll take anything that includes Neuro even when it's twins schizo yapping over each other 
Peak
I mean, I dont think its tribalism to ask the topic of the channel to be respected, no?
Hi NN
Or, sometimes, random comments that you can't really make a conversation about unless you really try to force one out of it
Can you pass it again so i also save it pls
How was the stream?
That's Neuro, not the game "Peak"
it's tribalism to go "eww genchat" or "eww nn" though
genuinelly gif spam is way more annoying than off topic. at least off topic often has bases in a prior neuro convo, context you might miss if you arrive mid convo
Eww modmail
We are two wings of the same birb
sticker spam just doesn't do anything do, it's just making chat harder to talk on
tbh im sometimes guilty of just posting random neuro gifs to give it a semblance of on neuro topic
Gifs are sometimes the only way you can be on-topic in this place sometimes, people just don't want to talk about Neuro or Evil
its only considered the bad place in comparison to NN though right? Because one channel has a focussed topic and the other doesnt and naturally the people who want to discuss the twins want to do so without off topic (for which an entire different channel exists) but somehow they thought it was cool to make fun of looping topics and not contributing new twin-centric topics instead.
I think its less tribalism (tho its a problem) and just most of the regs regularly meet here to chat, so going to a different chat where the regular people you talk to aren't there often causes confusion and convos to die
Thanks

And these people weren't even around for the joke wars we had ๐ฅ
Same 
Just rename this channel to neurotic general network atp ๐ฅ
truth nuke, sasuga raig
Hi Nova 
general-neurons?
Guys, I know I'm pretty much just a casual NNer but I promise I do care
maybe I should rant about NN more
nn can you stop complaining about nn and get back on the topic of neuro
I tried reporting it to some degree but at some point we cant replace the mods that should keep the channel on track. So yea, gave up on reporting too
No point in doing the mods' job and not seeing any improvement
category 5 hurricane talking about how small gusts of wind are a problem
Raig essays are always well written
stop larping as maple
This wasn't issue 2 years ago
Is kind of ironic that complaining about nn instead of talking about neuro is a thing :scraj:
can we make nn be off topic so nners have to go to genchat to complain about nn? 
That statement would only make sense to me if I was the biggest off topic chatter
but I feel like it very much is a problem now
half the time i come in here its just complaining about offtopic, which ironically, just derails the chat and makes it more offtopic
i see more complaining about offtopic than i see the actual offtopic that is being complained about
that could be due to a multitude of factors, like the environment changing, community getting larger, influx of actual content, etc
Now can we go back to this cutie patooie thanks
I tried to prompt discussion about the weekend streams but people here seem to prefer talking about this channel rather than Neuro and Evil 
Iโm not talking about you specifically
It was lmao
what if the mods locked #neurotic-neurons for a week and we all had to learn to use #general-network as we should
rehabilitation
Does it matter? the people complaining about off topic are still correct
like about this weekend or last weekend? bcuase im pretty exited for this weekend, both streams
Classic off topic complaining about offtopic complaining about offtopic
If you guys want people to stay on topic, then maybe you all should make a collective effort to fix yourselves
Otherwise, have fun complaining forever
they dont have shit to talk about either clearly so instead of just leaving the chat like they suggest everyone else do they just sit and complain
Well Evil stream tommorrow, I'm hoping it's not as scuffed as Neuro's chill stream
. Also we will probs get connect 4 against Evil hopefully. Also I wouldn't mind an art review or more factory segment.
14
Just make complaining about off topic... off topic 
because they're oh so fucking special
I would rather be correct than be interesting 
This weekend, I enjoy both vr and phantom liberty shenanigans
You barely look at NN then in my opinion. There is barely any discussions going on anymore concerning the twins. Most of NN nowadays consists of gif spam, twinship spam and people talking about their day
I can see neuro and evil going 0-100 vs chat on connect 4
Cute Evil art
They are special
Neuro is cute
Evil is cute.
Everything else is just trivial
cute
Oh ye evil vr 
personally the whole "dead chat" spamming is pretty "stressful" to use that word, since it like half peer pressures into saying some nonsense just to keep chat "alive"
Finally some good takes here
๐ฟ
I try my best to talk about Neuro and Evil whenever I am here 
This is a true
chat is never actually dead until someone says the chat is dead, at which point the mood becomes awkward
that too unfortunately and that is spammed every 2 minutes 
Precious little donut
Then do it now :scraj:
same, like the cerber collab is gonna be cuteness i feel (i wonder if they are gonna sing like some people cope)
Ngl I gave up trying to discuss stuff here because of this shit
Thatโs why I only seriously talk about stuff in discussion channel
MODS we need art review next chill its been 900 years since last one๐ด
Why this pointless conversation all should be neuro
Neuro in the morning with my cereal
Tomorrow: Minecraft
Yea I feel ya, proper discussions just arent possible anymore
Evil on trampoline 
Is this chat just general 2.0?
I just talked about my hopes for tommorrow's stream, and before that I wrote my stream review 

I try to start discussions but they don't last for more than 5 messages
I feel like a part of it is because a lot of the problems that are readily apparent are either not large enough of problems or not readily solvable
so we go looking for problems to complain about
you're the king of "dead chat" gif spammer dandy
Your reply doesnt have neuro smh
Could be skill issue but its hard to start a topic if people don't care to talk about it
you're the problem
ideally it wouldn't be, but there's a really stupid culture of #general-network users and #neurotic-neurons users not liking each other for absolutely no reason
I honestly wouldn't mind if they added 20 more minutes to chill streams just for Art review
hope she gonna make some cute excited noises (that sounds a bit stranger then i mean it) tho im sure cerber has something cool thought up
Lets just hope Cerber doesnt pretend to die again
Vedal and adding time to chill streams 
Dead chat gifs don't do anything
Chat will stay dead
they make the chat more dead actually
do not erm nyx, you know what i mean
they make the mood awkward
Guys
True, Doesnโt really help that some people fabricate problems from thin air or make problems seem worse than what they actually are
dead chat gifs cause gif spam and discourage anyone actually trying to start a discussion imo
people have issues with it, if you've been reading
I can cope 
Honestly rounding chill streams to the next half hour would help my ocd a lot 
#nuerodancing

Next hour*
Depends on who is online
3h chills
This
This is the place for crazy fans who fight about/over Neuro and Evil
ui in screenshot
Vedal end stream at exactly 2 hours, 27 minutes and 11 seconds
Either or tbh, more twins is always welcome
Subtitles: CERBER!!!!! TTS: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Now thats what your message missed peace has been restored
Boil this man
Also, Iโd like to ask
Whatโs with some of the neurons who like, only post gifs
Especially in response to other gifs
Doesnโt really help the discussion problem and just contributes to gif spam
Ah yes making a dead chat deader
Fault of the og screenshotter.
Streams are getting shorter 
its the only thing their brain can come up with
We need smaller gifs so they don't take up the whole screen
They are average :smadge:
Just watch them on 0.25 speed
Look at her cute little legs!


My honest evil reaction
@lyric flower basically, general is for the type of mentally ill person who doesnโt want to talk about Neuro and Evil, and NN is for the type of mentally ill person who does want to talk about Neuro and Evil
at this point i will admit that they are getting shorter but i still see no real issue because i highly doubt they'll go below two hours
Thank you squiddinx for making this gem
Shorter are getting streams 
Same 14 olimpicos
you mean like during down time or during active yap, like during down time idmm but during active yap it really just moves chat along needlessly yeah
Bbl hopping behind the wheel
Can I post my text?
both
It's a bit large
no
Can you say brb instead
drive safe
That happens like twice a day

Big booty lift? What
For u
be back later
@fathom topaz are you interested in reading a large body of text or did you leave already
technically gif spam is against the rules but we dont have the mods to regulate anything anymore. I dont think the ones who left were actually replaced by active mods, right?
Have you seen the size of Dodo reviews? Of course you can post something large
Sure, hit me
Dandy why is your bait so low quality 
rare dessay incoming

Clarify = bait
Cuz heโs an unc

Uncs canโt keep up
on one side, it's problems like the Minecraft integration being kinda fucked and like yeah ofc that's an issue but that's like way far down the line of priorities
on the other side, it's the other technical problems where complaining about them won't really get you anywhere because the mods or Vedal himself already know about it
sometimes you do get genuinely good topics to discuss about like the highlights problem but those are rare
Honestly i thought nn was overreacting when one stream ended early but now it's a trend 

out of his prime, if there even was one
All their bait are too low quality nowadays
I JUST DISCOVERED THERE ARE TWO MORE KARAOKE PLAYERS
https://www.evilkaraoke.com
https://www.twinskaraoke.com
That's made by the same person
woah no way.
I think
the streams used to be just 2 hours long anyway, so i'm sure we can deal with it
Even the Rat knew that
Same player, different link
(same site in the back btw)

Karaoke streams have been just 2h long for a while
Its the same one but different links 
literally the exact same site but with a different url
there are some slight differences
Anyways, gn NN
. I hope tommorrow's Evil stream is less scuffed then tuesday, and Evil beats us in Connect 4, and art review returns
. Hope you all rest well, and think about our two cute ai overlords, karaoke improved my mood so much today
. Before I eep, have another of one of my cute saved arts, see ya

for tribalists i guess 
Karaoke ends when songs end scrajj
The site is in a different color?
rest well skeleton
night Skelly 
I think it's more about different servers?
Is it?
ig they have differnt themes?
I don't think so
They give diifferent coins
To this discussion, I would like to add that some members are annoyed by other people due to their negative nature of discourse. An illustrative story I was told, and it respects also dooming, is: If you were out on a nice walk with a friend on a sunny day, and they were to complain during the walk about how bad the weather will be next week - repeatedly - you will not take that friend on a walk with you again. (My personal grievance being the reiterative nature of discussion)
I am not endorsing nor reprimanding their objections, but I do want to make aware of the motivation behind this grievance of "Why do you care so much?"; they are annoyed. And I wouldn't be surprised if some of those 'annoyers' would acknowledge this to some extent. I believe people should be willing to compromise and be considerate of this. Both ways, really. "Why do you care so much?" is very much rude and a rather pointless remark, though the discussions that provokes such response can be mind-numbing airing of perceived grievances against the content and Vedal; picture an old fool raving about what ever misfortunes that have befallen them in their life each night at a bar.
I hope this message hasn't gone totally irrelevant since the discussion has continued on since. Also note, that I do not feel strongly about this subject, as I am content either way with my interactions here.
I think its 100% cosmetic
NNUncs canโt keep up with the NewgenNN
there is a unique currency exclusive to the link your using
Speaking of connect 4, I have been instructed by a poll to archive those as well as wordles
okay
yup
NN complains about something that isnโt too big of an issue or they complain about something they already complained about 2 many times
woah
pleas read
Nah, you can have the different themes in any link
i think the themes aren't affected by the url but rather by what the user selects
they default to the neuro one i believe
okay this was a waste of my time
This
give me a sec
enough genuineposting
back to agendaposting
oh fuck i hyperfixated on one line of discussion and missed desi's essay 
๐ฏ
let me read it
oh yeah guess there is the slider. idk them
guess its just what default theme you want when sharing links (at least thats what i want to believe) (the coins do the same think for each version anyways)
Interesting analogy
you cooked
The analogy actually does make a lot of sense
Desi write more essays on NN, the council demands more
Okay so who is wrong so i can blame them mindlessly
Why do you care so much?
Iโm glad I took the time to read it
Who @ me?
The neuro knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the neuro from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the neuro is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the neuro must also know where it was. The neuro guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the neuro has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
Somewhat insulting analogy, I am afraid. I hope people wouldn't take offense to it.
I checked and both evilkaraoke and neurokaraoke retrieve the audio source from neurokaraoke
it's literally only a cosmetic change
you i think
i agree but have nothing further to comment on the matter
I was answering your question from a few minutes ago
Hoooly that is really good
Thank you thank you
mods ban olimpico
j
I have 13 more
j
What
I hope "The Neuro" hits you one day
I
vedal
yeah i can def relate with your exemple. my worst crashouts would be akin to me wanting to go see a movie with someone and they keep complaining about the economy and how it will rain the next day and i'm like 'man i just want to watch the spongebob movie
'
so like people that repeatedly complain about things in advanced that have no need to be complained about are annoying and people complaining about said complainers just don't want this pointlessness but in a way they also feed the cycle?
guess i get that (yeah sorry i have no follow up question its getting late)
spunchbop
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-ask how should NN fix their discussion problem
-rl
I understand to a degree that some people are put off by some discussions, especially if they are looping. The problem is, as you said, that the comment "Why do you care so much" is just plain rude and turns the mood sour instead of trying to change the topic or coming back when another topic is going on that they want to participate in. It feels to me that a lot of people nowadays treat NN like they only want discussions that cater to their own interests instead of trying to participate. If the people who are annoyed contributed their own ideas or potential topics instead, that would be awesome. However most of the time they dont have any original input and just spam the "Why do you care so much" or try to rudely derail ongoing topics and discussions by spamming gifs
I get that people are upset by people like me and others who complain about the state of NN nowadays and I understand that it may be annoying but for me personally it shows that it just keeps being an issue that the mods dont care about anymore and over time more nad more of people who are passionate about the twins and mostly want to talk about them instead of their daily life (which should belong in gen chat) will leave and its a vicious circle that will result in nothing but gif spam and off topic, which is sad to me because it used to be very different at least in my experience.
No
is the issue that some persons are having their concerns dismissed for seeming too trivial and those persons are interpreting that as perpetuating some kind of culture of toxic positivity
Why do you care so much
I think thats part of it
Tldr
I think my comments are always serious according to my role
I personally try to join any discussions that are going on when I open NN, and sometimes I just leave if I really just donโt care about the topic
NN would be more enjoyable if people tried to have proper conversations and participate in existing ones instead of derailing anything they arent interested in
Can we talk about evil donut pls
I knew it
yeah people only wanting discussion that like favors their own side is kinda tiring and kills like the converstion (if i understood you right)
What does evil donut taste like
What is evil donut flavor
Rasberrrt
wait wait i missed moderation topic? fuck 
sour cherry?
Coffee
yea kinda
TLDR family friendly server big dumb
just leave/lurk if you don't want to involve in the current topic
I feel like most of the regular NNers that are passionate on talking about Neuro & Vedal are either banned or left the server.
-# back to lurk
i feel like a simular issue is that, a lot of the time people just want to have discussions about things they like, but that often times ends up creating the space for others to complain instead. Like if i talked about like 'oh i really lik neuro's voice quirks, they are cute', then V3 doomers would show up and kinda derail the convo by making a big 'blame vedal' talk. It gets frustrating when all you want to do is be excited and happy about smt but others keep trying to put wet blankets around you and it just becomes frustrating.
if I open NN and see a discussion that doesn't interest me, I just go somewhere else 
cancer just cancer
simple, nn needs more topics like gardening and basket weaving
NN has always been a bit AdHD with topics though hasn't it? Well that's been mostly my experience here anyway
fire
a lot left or just lurk due to the derailment of actual conversations and yes I guess some got banned too 
i wonder how much more tolerant the moderation would be if the server wasn't partnered
yeah, I see some of them went to GN or the games-channel.
THERES AN APP TOO?!?!?
Yes
I think nn people are not that serious the way yall think it is
oh shit i didn't know there was an app
Neuro voice quirks such as the newly introduced cute stuttering?
There are also badges and trivia multiplayer games to guess neuro covers with others
I suppose thats the negativity that NN fostered over the years. Not saying thats alright or good. I get where you are coming from.
its pretty neat, it has like discord integration too (ie shows what you listen to as status) 
so cute vedal shouldn't fix it right 
Top 1 thing i hate in neuro and evil content
Stutters RAGEYYYY
gave her more personality 
Its unfortunate that Neuro got infected too 
stutters would be fixed by v3 voice 
Is there a website too?
soon
yes
same with chill streams
chills would be fixed by v3 too 
Stutter gives strong pausesama moment i kind of like it
I mean would it really tho
isn't it like a tech problem and not a voice problem 
v3 saves chat
yeah website is like the original thing (app is basically just a website wrapper anyways)
- Monkey paw curls * V3 comes out but its 60% stutter

not just infection, that's new variant virus 
nothing cna save chat
if anything v3 voice would be more likely to cause stuttering like what happened with evil in the unity version
V3 is like 80% ready by now

trust
almost 1 year anniversary 
And I am wondering, why this shouldn't result in action to the betterment of ourselves? To make an effort of producing engagement that is worthwhile engaging in. Mods won't, but I'd also say rather can't resolve this situation beyond enforcing off-topic to a rather stern degree that will leave this chat scarred. I see enough people daily in here, where I wonder if typical engagement right now negatively affects their emotional energy or mental. A sour mind will produce sour words and sour words a sour mind in others.
I think we can be more actionable here.
may 15th
remove the 8
get ready
only if memory leaks magically reappear
Just wait for copilot to become powerful enough to make v3
With enough vibe coding it's possible 
oyasumi
rest well
Guys, should Vedal ever send Neuro off to college?
Yes

send her off to the garbage disposal
come on you know what i mean lol. stuff like the way she says 'ah~', 'oh~', 'actually', etc
Not long did read
You should always pursue a higher education if possible
Joining you there?
Nldr
super cute 
neuro long didnt read
what did she even say at the end there 
can't wait for 9% to come back
what's that artist name down there
I'm at a different one dw
:)
i can't read the middle letters 
it's like 'you aren't allowed to have fun unintelligible'

is it reiv
"No" is the only one I care enough for to want it to stay
hmm i need to get better naming my files when saving this art
thank god
No it's rerv
yeah its reiv
where can i find them
๐๐
Anyway considering all the shit earlier
online i mean 
:)
i don't even get why the mods don't just get a nn member to care for nn
Have a repost of the cooking in the kitchen
Me when ๐
shiro is clearly way too busy to be here most of the time
3 year long meal ๐
but it's not like vedal doesn't have the money to pay new mods, they aren't even paid 
we've had mods in the past who've primarily talked in NN and they all stepped down
tbf mods are a volunteer position from the gate
We need evilSoEvil emote (evil's head is angry and has horns)
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