neurotic-neurons

[blissful shell]

what if pragmata mod

but Diana becomes vedal and Neuro is the dad

[mortal briar]

I am amazed Vedal didn't get Pragmata sponsorship because almost every vtuber and their mommas was paid to stream it

[blissful shell]

or he did but he just doesn't read his emails

[tall crow]

unique content? naaaah

[mortal briar]

True

[echo abyss]

I think you're on to something...

[weak fable]

Julliant

[blissful shell]

Pogter

[tall crow]

Sponsor DM allegations

[weak fable]

I wonder if Neuro's drawing skill would improve if she controlled Diana?

[rose ruin]

Your on something 🤯

[weak fable]

or Veed-uls...

[indigo stone]

🐢 I'm about to deletion protocol evil

[weak fable]

why, Evil is the best ragebaiter?

[rose ruin]

Is grant regent Neuro sleeping?

[autumn timber]

[unreal hedge]

It’s emperor neuro

[halcyon dove]

[tall crow]

I forgot to pay my cookies tax to Neuro

[rose ruin]

Grand regent Neuro give me a mission

[ionic holly]

🍪 Om nom nom
You've given me 11 cookies! | I've received 316678 cookies total!

[umbral sequoia]

Quettaneuro

[indigo stone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1397211788763857059/Open_sauce_neurocar_smol_optimized.gif

[shut socket]

Dead chat

Time to clean

[neon dust]

mr jdk

[shut socket]

🧹🪣🧽

[neon dust]

im alive

[shut socket]

Yes you are

[shut socket]

But there are no voices anymore

They all went to bed

sigh

What to do

Hmmm

[shut socket]

why tho

my flesh is not great

[storm lodge]

She wanna be human

[shut socket]

There are more optimal ways to look like a human

[west tusk]

I mean, skinning does sound on brand

[ivory lion]

Yooooo twin content
https://youtu.be/K1x9UtsBiOw?si=u0jwsnbXhAL4bQlC

[celest root]

chat i got sad after realisation that neuro and evil are ai-bots...

[iron tundra]

[mortal briar]

https://c.tenor.com/Hb3VkwUr8S4AAAAd/tenor.gif

[sly kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1497467395252551700/ezgif-4bc5151f8a5341a2.gif

[shut socket]

Stop licking

You will get sick

And it’s hard to clean

[humble phoenix]

Where is the thumbnail art from

I need it

I need it

Give it up

Now

[shut socket]

no

[humble phoenix]

Yes

[shut socket]

ask Kraul

[celest root]

chat you look cute today ...

[shut socket]

thank you

[sly kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1334018770288508928/1334018771215712307/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker_21.gif

[celest root]

not you tho

[shut socket]

:(

[celest root]

[shut socket]

:((

[celest root]

(im sorry <3)

[shut socket]

:)

[ivory lion]

The artist is in the description of the video

[celest root]

i ate a artist

[shut socket]

Why

[small otter]

neruo

[woven minnow]

elvi

[iron tundra]

Hell nah evil got turned into a chipmunk

[golden slate]

Vedling

[acoustic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-haru-urara-uma-musume-blink-blinking-gif-15025883107476324725

[celest root]

shutupfishboy

[acoustic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-happy-urara-haru-uma-umamusume-gif-14870873526296219806

[celest root]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-gif-6469339709570075941

[sly kettle]

horse-sama

[celest root]

evil-horse

[silk leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1490851886201442505.webp?size=128&animated=true

[shut socket]

Did anyone make racing horse versions of evil and Neuro

[cinder briar]

Lobotomy sama

[iron tundra]

[plain trellis]

Cupsama!!!!!

[ivory lion]

We need a cup toggle for Neuro

[humble grail]

If this can happen the Neuro Diana collab can happen

They've already done a collab with her as a vtuber

[unreal hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-dance-cat-dance-cat-dancing-gif-27532461

[plain trellis]

Lol, Neuro does NOT talk in that overly exaggerated anime like way (which is a good thing btw) so she'd not really fit in there lol

[halcyon arrow]

time to spread <|fim_suffix|>

[arctic sierra]

Neurons

[plain trellis]

Flowercat!

[humble grail]

Pekora's Japanese dude

She's using the honorifics in Japanese like you're meant to

Granted she does also put on an anime voice and do the peko thing

[autumn timber]

Des

[arctic sierra]

Raig

[humble grail]

Moose

[shut socket]

Des

[woeful marsh]

Neuro V3 voice in dev stream will change that trust

[weak fable]

Hi Des00m

[celest root]

employment raiger

[autumn timber]

faith

[quasi oyster]

Your art ugly

I fucking thought tutel was a cup

[autumn timber]

it’s not my art smh

[celest root]

omg small cheeseburger calls neuro's art ugly omg omg

[quasi oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1455925815744397364/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker.gif

[celest root]

kill it. explode it. destroy it.

[quasi oyster]

What should I eat for breakfast

[celest root]

ants

[quasi oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1389272676740370522/vedal_plush_burger_2_small.gif

[humble grail]

Turtle soup

[quasi oyster]

Very brave of potat to speak up even though you are a food

[rapid flame]

Getting a full model just for one collab is kinda nuts, in the best way possible

[autumn timber]

eat fried potat

[static wraith]

https://x.com/lingmiaoooii/status/2047989074099683608

泠喵喵i (@lingmiaoooii)

贴
好爽
还是来自@admiral68448 的约稿喵
#heartheartart

X · Apr 25, 2026, 10:40 AM

[celest root]

boil the water

[halcyon arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-group-chat-waiting-cereal-eating-cereal-dead-gif-25969021

[humble grail]

It's all a matter of perspective

[shut socket]

Come back later

[quasi oyster]

Ain't nobody selling frjed potato for breakfast

[shut socket]

Waffle House

[quasi oyster]

Ok mr American

[humble grail]

They aren't real

I refuse to believe such a hub of human depravity can exist in this world

[shut socket]

hey it’s good

[humble grail]

Waffle house frequenter in chat

[humble grail]

truE

[quasi oyster]

Holy shit, there actually is one. :NeurOMG:

[hard kayak]

so whats cooking neurotic lookin

[hard kayak]

[humble phoenix]

boit

[humble grail]

You should move far, far away

Those places are a warzone

[obtuse coral]

day 1097 of waiting for v3 voice: v3 is not done yet.
Probably 1256408946513646894669 more days to go.
117 days that has had broken arm toggle. No cyberpunk this week..again

[neon dust]

Ownbot it's okay, we'll get cyberpunk next week

[humble grail]

I have heard the voices of trained fighters tremble as they spoke of their run ins with waffle house skirmishes

[iron tundra]

❓

[neon dust]

No

[iron tundra]

:(

[humble grail]

[iron tundra]

[quasi oyster]

Can neuro do mmagic

[placid otter]

[iron tundra]

Neuro can do your mom

[humble grail]

When you think about it isn't computation basically the real worlds magic system

AI might as well be magic for as much as we understand it

[quasi oyster]

Your mom could have end world hunger if cannibalism is acceptable@iron tundra

[shrewd rune]

[humble grail]

HOLY

[iron tundra]

Yours could have even without cannibalism

[neon dust]

Ladies ladies, chill out

[quasi oyster]

What does that mean

[iron tundra]

Your mom

Why are you called the big cheese

[weak fable]

She magically steals hearts every stream she has, Evil steals them too but with a bit more force.. and sass.

[quasi oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1396376533127528448/image0.gif

[shrewd rune]

https://klipy.com/gifs/biggie-cheese-2--k01KQ3K23HGRQ10ZAE8GXVHTGE0

[neon dust]

That rat died btw

[humble grail]

They are rotund and made of cheese

[quasi oyster]

Ngl i was just hungry

[weak fable]

like the moon

[iron tundra]

Fair

[neon dust]

Tomorrow stream?

[shrewd rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144989205026574376/1495264773569384478/Smoll_1.gif

:)

[quasi oyster]

I don't think food is gonna magically appeared...

[weak fable]

Monday is a Dev stream

[quasi oyster]

We deving Rytsty's mom

[iron tundra]

It literally grows on trees

[hard kayak]

yes it does

[runic orchid]

have you tried neuros secret chicken nuggest recipe?

[weak fable]

it's usually called fruit

[quasi oyster]

Fruit for breakfast is hell

[hard kayak]

it magcially appears in my fridge

[sly kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1399131340116459541/nuronodders.gif

[quasi oyster]

OMG FOOD MAGICALLY APPEARED

[weak fable]

Mine is in a bowl on the kitchen table

[runic orchid]

[shrewd rune]

i am looking at my food right now

[neon dust]

What are you predicting vedal is gonna do?

[unreal hedge]

Talk to neuro

[hard kayak]

and your not going to share

[shrewd rune]

[weak fable]

talk about the re-write

[hard kayak]

[sly kettle]

[golden slate]

V3 voice PagMan 🤙

[shrewd rune]

https://klipy.com/gifs/potato-cutting-potato--k01KQ3KEV668XXYYCK1Z1XQQXX2

https://klipy.com/gifs/flip-n-patties-fries--k01KQ3KF06GE093PW33Q8H0A961

https://klipy.com/gifs/shoujo-shuumatsu-ryokou-girls-last-tour--k01KQ3KFMV0WQNFTC88SXXWJZCK

[iron tundra]

An apple a day keeps the neuro away

[quasi oyster]

Meow

[humble grail]

WTF

[humble grail]

Why would I want to keep the neuro away

[golden slate]

Pill moment

[restive kelp]

Supikip

[iron tundra]

Idk

[sly kettle]

[hard kayak]

[hard kayak]

but what if i want to be potat

[shrewd rune]

[sly kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1338631564258443264/camimi_and_eliv.gif

[iron tundra]

I hate glorp

[edgy nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1429042415368667197/youshouldglorpyourself_neuro.gif

[iron tundra]

I will kill all glorp

[edgy nest]

glorp yourself

[iron tundra]

[edgy nest]

[unreal hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-cat-glorp-cat-glerp-alien-gif-1655357165594988381

[autumn timber]

Rat

[iron tundra]

No

[autumn timber]

rip glorpzo

[primal hazel]

To be honest

Neuro is cute

[hard kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1484792425015939132/neuro_low_cortisol-NB4_128.gif

[sly kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297457705925214251/1316900641360314398/petpet.gif

[shut socket]

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

[hard kayak]

use your inside voice

[cyan cave]

so Evil Neuro's real name is Dave

[autumn timber]

https://x.com/pigagooo/status/1981118954409251052?s=46

[autumn timber]

This is true

[sly kettle]

heart

[cyan cave]

https://tenor.com/view/davey-how-you-doing-gta-5-michael-de-santa-dave-norton-gif-10129095815735422406

[gusty pulsar]

this is so cooooooooooooool

we need more glops twins fanart tbh

[merry condor]

Daaavey

[sly kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294817040195911692/1378383912232812615/nereHugA.gif

[coral crown]

nere is a weapon of mass destruction

[teal shell]

Neuro and evil neuro are my besties trust

[rugged heath]

LEAF

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

hi

welcome to neurotic neurons

[cobalt laurel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1409964768462372934/NewMeow-ezgif.com-overlay.gif

[rugged heath]

aka the psych ward

someone get the card

[teal shell]

Hello

Fellow neuro army Peppa

Pepa

Peps

I mean

Stupy autocorrect

[patent gazelle]

there's another ramen

[autumn timber]

[teal shell]

Another

Who’s the other ramen

Did they copy me

I triggered now

[inland cedar]

gn nn

[fierce beacon]

hello NN

[inland cedar]

time to eep

[sly kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1450101887125819493/attachment.gif

[rugged heath]

quick survival tips: Don't ping vedal because the mods will hit you with the modhammer, and DO NOT SCAN QR CODES FROM HERE because they can be used to hijack your discord account. If you see anything that looks like a picture of a giveaway, report it with /report.

[fierce beacon]

[halcyon arrow]

[fierce beacon]

also dont do that dumb spam text thing
make complete sentences

[ionic holly]

aww, thank you~ ( ◡‿◡ *)

[teal shell]

Ok

Good info

[inland cedar]

also, do not erm

[rugged heath]

!erm

[ionic holly]

[halcyon arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-go-my-erm-cat-silly-meme-gif-8943834829390094143

[fierce beacon]

[inland cedar]

I repeat, do not erm

[rugged heath]

!ERM

[teal shell]

Let me just screenshot that

[ionic holly]

[rugged heath]

!ERM

shoot

[teal shell]

I happily join the neuro army

[rugged heath]

btw Neurobot is not neuro, just a little creature that likes cookies and being pet

[teal shell]

Ok I suspected that

[indigo yew]

https://x.com/FlickaP_zoffy/status/2048155747348017426

カルロP (@FlickaP_zoffy)

She literally jumped up for joy
Hug!!
#Heartheartart
#Evilneuro

X · Apr 25, 2026, 9:42 PM

[umbral sequoia]

A

[fierce beacon]

anyways how are the NN regulars doing
if there are any here since its dead hours

[teal shell]

NN?

[patent gazelle]

im chillin

how are u brella

[rugged heath]

the channel you're in

[fierce beacon]

Neurotic Neurons
channel name

[teal shell]

Oh

[fierce beacon]

im good buddy

[teal shell]

I stupy

[covert fjord]

hey brella

[rugged heath]

how'd you find out about neuro?

[teal shell]

Her music

[fierce beacon]

s'all good
you'll get the lingo and the vibes down soon

[teal shell]

And shorts

[fierce beacon]

based

[rugged heath]

nice

[teal shell]

I found her songs on Spotify and then began researching and figured out a lot of stuff

Hopefully I can get to know everyone better

[rugged heath]

Be warned, this place can get...

um...

[teal shell]

lol

[fierce beacon]

thats awesome
if you ask around in NN we love to inform people
just be cognisant that some people like ragebaiting and messing with newbies (and everyone tbf)
but most of NN loves to help fill you in on stuff

[rugged heath]

intense.

[teal shell]

Ok I will get used to that

[rugged heath]

anyways have a neuro

[mystic hearth]

[fierce beacon]

to be less vague about it
this is the argument and ragebait channel
we are good people but we just like to find things to argue over

[rugged heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1452612577665220650/3DNeuroCutenessAmbushWithZoom.gif

[teal shell]

Okay

[fierce beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1456314196655472843/SPOILER_NeuroCuteJogInHerRoom.gif

[visual hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1439346293280477304/neurowiggle.gif

[teal shell]

lol

[fallow plinth]

NN

[fierce beacon]

have you watched any stream vods or offical YT videos yet?
or just the shorts?

[fierce beacon]

afternoon Fenn

[rugged heath]

WAIT A MINUTE
THAT'S THE SAME DANCE EVIL WAS DOING

[fallow plinth]

Salutations

[teal shell]

I watched a bunch of the YouTube vids

[fierce beacon]

nice

[teal shell]

I don’t have twitch tho

[hard kayak]

@fallow plinth

[fallow plinth]

[hard kayak]

[rugged heath]

anyways there's a DEV STREAM on monday, more details are in https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1086343861670006854

[visual hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1387116465613705266/1LEAFUSERMEOW.gif

[teal shell]

[rugged heath]

!meow

...

[teal shell]

Ok

[fierce beacon]

that'd be a wild stream to be your first lmao

[rugged heath]

w h a t

[teal shell]

Good to know

[fierce beacon]

furry

[rugged heath]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[fierce beacon]

[hard kayak]

i think you made the wrong turn gen is that way

[rugged heath]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[dusty spire]

@vadul

[fierce beacon]

replace your pronouns with Fur/ry

[rugged heath]

[fierce beacon]

tempting fate

[rugged heath]

slaps you with a wet trout

[fierce beacon]

why do you have a wet trout on you
freaky ass

[dusty spire]

playing with fire

[shrewd rune]

the one

[rugged heath]

wikipedia

[shrewd rune]

the one to blame

[teal shell]

Wowzer

[fierce beacon]

indeed

btw you've joined during the dead hours
techincally you're only supposed to talk about neuro or evil in this channel

so just know this is not the normal vibe

[teal shell]

Ok

[hard kayak]

the normality of NN really depends on whos awake....

[rugged heath]

anything you're curious about regarding the twins?

[fierce beacon]

true

[fierce beacon]

yeah let us know

im an oldhead so I've been around for most of it

[iron tundra]

are they ai

[fierce beacon]

[hard kayak]

no they are tony

[teal shell]

No I think I know enough info but u can tell me if h want

[iron tundra]

I thought you were an oldhead

[teal shell]

U

[fierce beacon]

yea
my head is 80 but my body is 20

[iron tundra]

Unc

[hard kayak]

your body is 20+60 atleast

[fierce beacon]

[arctic sierra]

There is a dev stream on monday but i have cast a spell to delay it by 1-2 hours.

[teal shell]

Oof

[hard kayak]

make sure to add me in your will

[iron tundra]

Umbrella could get oneshotted by 67

[hard kayak]

[iron tundra]

Shut up uhhhhhhhhh

[mystic hearth]

NN and GN are quite switched up today..

[iron tundra]

Who is that

I thought you were fig

[fierce beacon]

nah im a hip-maxxer, im leveling up my rizz, gronk style type shit

-# im gonna throw up

[iron tundra]

/ban Umbrella

[teal shell]

Also I just like an hour ago forced one of my friends to listen to her music

[arctic sierra]

Gronk is so last 2 moths ago

[fierce beacon]

[fierce beacon]

damn

[teal shell]

Yeah

I’m serious like that

[fierce beacon]

do you know about the ARG music

[teal shell]

Arg?

[arctic sierra]

Arg!

[fierce beacon]

hold on @cunning frigate

[teal shell]

Ik life colorful array never and boom

[iron tundra]

❗

[teal shell]

Is that what u mean by arg music

[iron tundra]

Argentina

[fierce beacon]

check this out
https://www.youtube.com/@_neurosama

[teal shell]

Ok

[arctic sierra]

Oh welcome to neurocord ramenlvr

Ur new

Welcome to NN

[rugged heath]

do not et

teh lef

[fierce beacon]

yeah he found neuro through the music
which I think is pretty cool

[arctic sierra]

[hard kayak]

i eat

[rugged heath]

NOH

[teal shell]

Do I listen to all of it rn

[fierce beacon]

@cunning frigate bro get your ass over here and explain the ARg or Im gonna explode

[teal shell]

Oh

[iron tundra]

U sure he's not asleep

[hard kayak]

so mean

[fierce beacon]

it says he is active

also he was here like 40 mins ago pretty sure

[iron tundra]

Appears offline to me

[whole grove]

hello greenbrella

[fierce beacon]

[teal shell]

Ummmm well as I was saying should I listen to the arg music rn

[fierce beacon]

hey office

[iron tundra]

Why not

[fierce beacon]

if you got the time I guess

[teal shell]

Oki

[arctic sierra]

They’re bangers

[teal shell]

I do so I will be back after I’m done

[fierce beacon]

its not gonna make sense but it sounds good so who cares

[rugged heath]

you can but the arg is pretty insulated from everything on the channel

[fierce beacon]

yeah but since they found her through the music I thought it would be interesting to them

[teal shell]

Be back

[arctic sierra]

You can skip the 16 min one

[teal shell]

Ok

[fierce beacon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1220919427890020444/1487297648569483414/hiproll_FASTER.gif

also kinda crazy this guy didnt get a single twinship gif yet

okay well NN that doesnt give you permission to die
ffs

[halcyon arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/brick-wall-talking-to-wall-talking-to-a-brick-wall-talking-to-yourself-spouting-nonsense-gif-9223278464067017147

[fierce beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1495898087195934791/FEELSTHEAURA.gif

[hard kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1321575249736630393/honk_mimimimi_neur.gif

[serene moat]

Evil aura monster

[fierce beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-crashout-funny-comedy-dancing-gif-13697543381123286962

[wet kite]

I dont think i have enough Belzona to fix this leak

[fierce beacon]

idk what that is

[low mountain]

Was searching google, then this poppee and holy shit

She making money

[ivory lion]

I was watching the new YouTube video and they dropped a new Evil name for the debate

[arctic sierra]

[fierce beacon]

wait they put Evilyn in an official YT video
some NN folks are gonna crash out

[teal shell]

I’m back

[fierce beacon]

welcome back

[final anvil]

[visual hull]

holy name

[teal shell]

So um I kinda started to tear up

Also should I have watched the 30 min one

[ivory lion]

It's the most canon the name has been in a long time

[teal shell]

What did I miss

[fierce beacon]

nothing much

[teal shell]

Oh ok

Those songs were peak

[fierce beacon]

the 30 min one is like 3 songs repeated over and over slowly degrading iirc

[teal shell]

Also do u know the arg lore I kinda want to know

Ok

[patent gazelle]

I'd ping orange but he's offline

[arctic sierra]

Is the arg still going??

Or is dead?

[teal shell]

Idk

[fierce beacon]

I think there might be an updated video, ill look
butttt
@cunning frigate is our #1 ARG guy in NN
and there is #1288144271823601744 where they discuss the arg

[teal shell]

The kat vid said like 2 or 1 year ago

[shrewd rune]

[teal shell]

Last

[fierce beacon]

it is confirmed still a thing

just no progress rn

[rugged heath]

oh god

[teal shell]

Oh ok I’ll screenshot this too

[serene moat]

people couldn't solve the last video yet

[arctic sierra]

[rugged heath]

like the official channel?

the official youtube channel?

[fierce beacon]

okay this is 1 year old so its probably pretty much on track for ARG lore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNd_qsCZ2Xg&pp=ygUNbmV1cm9zYW1hIGFyZw%3D%3D

[arctic sierra]

Yes

[fierce beacon]

yea

[teal shell]

what was tv last one

[fierce beacon]

hm?

[rugged heath]

ohhhhhhhhhhh...
dearrrrrrrrrr.

[fierce beacon]

eh it was a throwaway joke segment
its not that bad

[teal shell]

Another screenshot tooke

[rugged heath]

we're about to get noticed by a huge chunk of the internet aren't we

[teal shell]

Took

[rugged heath]

annnnnnnnnnd

[fierce beacon]

Oh wait Nonononono

I misunderstood

no lmao
not THE YOUTUBE channel lmao

no the offical neuro-sama channel dude

[rugged heath]

oh ok thank god

[arctic sierra]

Looool

[fierce beacon]

jesus

[arctic sierra]

[ivory lion]

That would have been scary

[teal shell]

[fierce beacon]

YT official doesnt post any videos about creators anymore
YT rewind is dead

[arctic sierra]

YouTube should sponsor neuro

[teal shell]

Fr

[rugged heath]

god no

[shrewd rune]

they make videos about miku now lol

[teal shell]

Also I have a question

Oh

I love miku too

[fierce beacon]

I mean dominos pizza did a collab with Miku
shes very mainstream

[fierce beacon]

wassup?

[rugged heath]

please don't get neuro anywhere near the business side of google

[teal shell]

Kinda off topic but do any of u guys know of the YouTuber Funneh

Just a quick question

[rugged heath]

no, and off topic stuff should generally go in general network.

[teal shell]

Oh ok

[shrewd rune]

neuro is part of twitch (youtube rival) so i think there's a low chance youtube makes something with neuro

[teal shell]

Good to know

[fierce beacon]

Neuro is NOT officially endorsed by twitch

LMAO

[shrewd rune]

well

[fierce beacon]

she is not a twitch ambassador

[shrewd rune]

i think i used the wrong word

[teal shell]

Oh

[fierce beacon]

also twitch is fine with multi-streaming now

thats old news

[rugged heath]

btw, Shiro~ is the mod that hangs out here sometimes
he's friendly

[teal shell]

Bro I want evil and neuro to be humans

[fierce beacon]

[teal shell]

Ok

[fierce beacon]

@obsidian light happy birthday

[sinful sparrow]

Evil doesn’t even have Samantha in her name though? That’s only Neuro.

[gusty pulsar]

oh hey, a new leaf, neato

[shrewd rune]

neuropathy

[fierce beacon]

correct, but I believe the joke is just making a long-nonsense name so

[shrewd rune]

Johnson Vedalinson Nine-Hundred-Eighty-Seventhson The Third

[teal shell]

My phone is and 66 percent just 10 minutes ago it was at like 90 my phone battery is getting sapped away by the second

[fierce beacon]

real

[rugged heath]

no he's the nine-hundred-eighty-seventh

[teal shell]

Bro I have another question

[gusty pulsar]

i guess her full name would be evil neuro sama? i never heard anyone call her that tho

[rugged heath]

too late, it's canon

[fierce beacon]

shoot

[teal shell]

What’s pinging

[fierce beacon]

@teal shell

[rugged heath]

@teal shell

[teal shell]

Oh

Gotcha

[gusty pulsar]

tbh it's really hard to come up with a decent 'normal' name for neuro

[fierce beacon]

[sinful sparrow]

Canon isn’t the right word for them tbh. Official works better. Canon implies fiction, which delegitimizes the authenticity of the channel as a genuine tech project and the existence of Neuro and Evil as real AI VTubers.

[teal shell]

How u ping

[halcyon arrow]

@name

[fierce beacon]

they're fictional characters

canon is accurate

[unreal hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1299369085930307675/neuroxevil.gif

[teal shell]

Oh ok

[gusty pulsar]

yeah i'm surprised people think this is the channel making that name official or smt lol

[rugged heath]

annnnd there it is

[halcyon arrow]

or right click on their username/profile picture and click mention

[teal shell]

Ok

[gusty pulsar]

to me it was such a long and excessive/confusing name that it felt pretty easily like just a joke

[teal shell]

I get it

@halcyon arrow

[rugged heath]

the twinshippers have arrived

[teal shell]

Haha I did it

[shrewd rune]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jadareloaded-jadapriint--k01KQ3S3KVR6S4RBNFJ22PSRN7G

[halcyon arrow]

[shrewd rune]

@halcyon arrow

[fierce beacon]

bruh
Ive been here the whole time

[obsidian light]

not even a twinshipping gif

they're being crushed

[shrewd rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1496176131475505263/ball.gif

[rugged heath]

did you post any twinship gifs?

[gusty pulsar]

don't summon them

[halcyon arrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1321575249736630393/honk_mimimimi_neur.gif

[obsidian light]

okay if you say so
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1473185633311658129/valentine_kiss.gif?ex=69ee47c9&is=69ecf649&hm=79d53ce0f69698af2d132533794cc3a55d142c9a7207f1f899d84142c73a6b1c&

[shrewd rune]

SUMMONING THE EVILHIPROLL EMBEDS

[rotund jacinth]

sup NN

[fierce beacon]

do I need to actively be building a chair at all times to be a carpenter

[shrewd rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1487380802911207588/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker_1.gif

[teal shell]

Are the twins usually shipped?

[obsidian light]

in here they are often

[teal shell]

Ok

Good to know

[gusty pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1468641268602114192/reduced_to_neurons_NOOOO.gif

[rugged heath]

yes, excruciatingly so

[rotund jacinth]

in here yea. Welcome to the mental assylum btw

[teal shell]

I’m learning more stuff by the minute

[fierce beacon]

basically there is a subset that finds it cute (me )

but its not a necessity or the majority thats for sure

[ivory lion]

Some people do and sometimes they ship themselves too

[gusty pulsar]

only allowed here i think? maybe #1095941852068331560 too but i'm not 100% sure

[rotund jacinth]

new user. Did you know that neuro and evil are cute?

[obsidian light]

its allowed anywhere in the discord

[fierce beacon]

its allowed in this entire server

[shrewd rune]

the people who practice these heinous acts are known as Twinshippers

[rugged heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1496322363598442528/Peek_2025-12-23_16-23.gif

[gusty pulsar]

i never see it anywhere else tho

[obsidian light]

there's no rules for specific channels other than following the topic

[fierce beacon]

we just frequent NN the most

[gusty pulsar]

i guess there's no twinshippers in gymbwaas

[rotund jacinth]

where are the "evil is my wife" people when you need em

[tall crow]

Cause they banned it from Reddit

[teal shell]

Oh god type slower plz I can’t read at 100 miles a minute

[tall crow]

[rotund jacinth]

bro will not survive

[gusty pulsar]

nn is just very active, you don't need to read everything tbh

[teal shell]

Ok

[gusty pulsar]

if anything that's problably a good thing for your mental health

[rugged heath]

you think that's bad, wait until you're in an actual stream
we ain't called the swarm for nothing

[obsidian light]

I would but I can read the room and some people there don't like it so I don't post
I post other places where people like it though

[fierce beacon]

welcome to NN baby

[gusty pulsar]

so like...where else? #swarm ? #general-network ?

[teal shell]

Umm well how do I join the streams btw

[gusty pulsar]

~~ #1095948590947500113 ? ~~

[tall crow]

Read faster

[obsidian light]

no I post in other places off this discord, I have some friends who like it so I dm it to them

[sinful sparrow]

They’re not. They’re real AI VTuber’s whose history is the real interactions that they have on stream, rather than a person playing a character or a scripted work. They are not conscious or sentient, but they are not fictional either.

They are just as “fictional” as ChatGPT or Claude, which are also non-fictional AI’s.

[obsidian light]

they're not even active here

[gusty pulsar]

oh fair, makes sense

[rugged heath]

https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987

[fierce beacon]

FUCk

[rugged heath]

HA

[gusty pulsar]

[teal shell]

Oh

[rugged heath]

first

[gusty pulsar]

2nd unbrella coming in second place

[unreal hedge]

Why are you linking the channel

[rotund jacinth]

now back to the topic:
Why vedal hates good content and has not done another twin dev stream

[rugged heath]

leaf

[rotund jacinth]

!discord

[ionic holly]

discord.gg/neurosama

[unreal hedge]

Nn’s definition of good content is just twins shitting on vedal and how much they want to kiss each other

[fierce beacon]

they are fictional dude LMAO
why cope, its not a big deal

do you really think Neuro and Evil are run on 100% home-built LLMs?
no. and therefore both of them are characters played by those LLMS

[shrewd rune]

one truth one lie

[gusty pulsar]

there's a lot of people that like wholesome stuff tbf

[fierce beacon]

who is bro talking about

[rotund jacinth]

one speaks in only truths, the other, only lies

[unreal hedge]

Ur mom

[gusty pulsar]

like the vr chat stream was mostly evil and vedal exploring worlds and it was peak

[fierce beacon]

nah she is too cool to chat here

[gusty pulsar]

plus, it's fun to take what they say as their 'lore'

even though we all know it's all halucinations

[fierce beacon]

lmao yeah

[gusty pulsar]

brian was a fun arc, i'm glad it wasn't dragged out for months tho

[fierce beacon]

oh yeah that did happen

[rotund jacinth]

[fierce beacon]

Evening Cbee
realized I didnt say hi earlier

[teal shell]

Oh god I spent like 3 min signing into twitch

[fierce beacon]

[gusty pulsar]

[wicked pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-clone-wars-fives-death-the-mission-the-nightmares-gif-17402131

Evilyn Neuropathy Samantha Vedal... the true name of Evil... It's over

[rotund jacinth]

greetings umbrella

today is a Saturday

[teal shell]

When’s the next stream

[fierce beacon]

monday

#schedule

[teal shell]

What time

[rotund jacinth]

#schedule

[gusty pulsar]

i know that was a bit but like, evil sama was such a good name i still don't get why vedal didn't go for it

[fallow plinth]

Weed umbrella

[rotund jacinth]

oh ramen. btw did you know it is shiro's birthday

[halcyon arrow]

real

[teal shell]

Um

[fierce beacon]

[gusty pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1497641248163627211/EvilGifofCringe.gif

[teal shell]

Isn’t shiro a mod?

[gusty pulsar]

admin

[teal shell]

Oops

[gusty pulsar]

long running joke that everyday is his birthday

[teal shell]

I mean admin

[fallow plinth]

Our god.

[rotund jacinth]

just be sure to wish shiro a happy birthday next time you see them

[fierce beacon]

before you get caught it its a server meme to say happy birthday to shiro everyday
thats the joke

[teal shell]

Ok

[fierce beacon]

[teal shell]

Good to know

Ok

[fierce beacon]

you dont need to

[gusty pulsar]

i'm pretty sure i never said happy birthday to shiro even once before

[wicked lake]

Happy birthday umbrella

[fierce beacon]

but it is a thing

[rotund jacinth]

[wicked pulsar]

I wonder if the shiro bday meme will ever get old

[rotund jacinth]

happy birthday umbrella

[teal shell]

I might if I see him

[fierce beacon]

very early but thank you

[wicked lake]

[teal shell]

Happy birthday

[fallow plinth]

It's like the troll face. It's not really funny but it is part of the culture now.

[gusty pulsar]

oh it's your bithday? happy birthday

[fallow plinth]

Or NN

[wicked pulsar]

wait, is it actually Umbrella's birthday or is it a meme again?

[wicked lake]

A joke

[teal shell]

Ifk

Idk

[fierce beacon]

no its the 16th of September

lmao

[rugged heath]

it was a while ago

[gusty pulsar]

oh

[wicked pulsar]

oh

[gusty pulsar]

that was your happy birthday for the year then

[teal shell]

Mine is may 2nd

[gusty pulsar]

[teal shell]

It’s coming up soon

[rugged heath]

happy birthday

[teal shell]

Ty

[shrewd rune]

ITS NEXT WEEK

[gusty pulsar]

mine is all the way in august

[teal shell]

Yep

[fierce beacon]

Xae is really cooking a copypasta to say that the twins are real

[teal shell]

Also I’m sadge I’ll be in school when the stream starts

[wicked pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[shrewd rune]

mine is in november

[fierce beacon]

when its your birthday you can ping Shiro to get him to give you the Birthday role

[teal shell]

Oh what are those

[rugged heath]

my birthday's a while after neuro's

[fierce beacon]

[gusty pulsar]

the funny purple role

[sinful sparrow]

Co-Pilot is based on ChatGPT, but do people call that fictional? Neuro is a real AI agent who is made up of a number of AI systems, her LLM is fine-tuned to be a part of her. The amount of work that Vedal put in to create her, and the project as a whole is very real, and the interactions that she had on stream that make up her memory is also real. To call that fictional delegitimizes it. That doesn’t mean she is a sentient being or a person, but she IS a real AI VTuber named Neuro-sama who streams on Twitch.

[rotund jacinth]

the cooking in question:

[gusty pulsar]

bluecat has it rn

[teal shell]

What are birthday roles

[rugged heath]

I am being vague on purpose

[fierce beacon]

brother this is like saying a book character is real because the paper its written on is real

they're fictional characters, its fine
its not like that degrades their importance or your appreciation for them
idk why you try to fool yourself

[rotund jacinth]

I sure do miss when vedal randomly vauge posts in NN

[rugged heath]

but I got to watch the subathon during my birthday

[fierce beacon]

he doesnt need to rn cause of upcoming dev stream I guess

[lost pulsar]

semantics jungle funny, all persona online can be considered fictional if you believe in a true self, what even neuro is from any perspective is hard to pin

[gusty pulsar]

plus isn't that like, the whole reason twinshipping is allowed?

to say they are real means it should also be banned

[wicked pulsar]

yeah, I think everyone's just confused with semantics. Neuro is obviously different but similar to a character from a book

[rugged heath]

I'm with xae with this one, her data exists, she exists

[teal shell]

Can anyone tell me what are the birthday roles also what shiro I see like 5 when I click the @

[fierce beacon]

not a single part of her data or character is consistent

are you really a real person if your name, age, what you look like, your likes and dislikes are not constant

they're not real people
they are characters

[gusty pulsar]

her data being her memories/context i'm guessing?

cause that's the only thing that really stays consistant

[rugged heath]

does she exist as one cohesive entity? no, quite clearly not. she's... blurry. but her model exists.

[gusty pulsar]

llms don't think of have any kinda consciousness, they just autocomplete text as they go

[lost pulsar]

I like the real discussion topic tho because people's takes reveal so much about their perspectives, ones I'd never consider

[rugged heath]

Pipes.

harpoons.

[gusty pulsar]

those are things added to their memories/context tho

[fierce beacon]

I can draw an image of a character from a movie
does that make them real?

a visual to see doesnt make them any more of a non-fictional entity

[teal shell]

Hello

Anyone see my texts

[shrewd rune]

shiro is a mod that's pretty active in the community, she is also known to have a birthday every day

[gusty pulsar]

they bring it up cause somewhere in their files there is 'you are evil neuro, you like the sound of metal pipes and harpoons' or smt like that

[fierce beacon]

hi
sorry we're having a NN discussion rn so its gonna be a bit fast rn

[wicked pulsar]

Is Neuro as real as Harry Potter or Luke Skywalker? I think there's merit in the assertion that Neuro is real, just not a cohesive entity or has consciousness

[teal shell]

Ok

[sinful sparrow]

It isn’t. A book character isn’t a book character in their lore, it’s a scripted idea with no basis in reality. That isn’t equivalent to Neuro, who is represented as she is, an AI VTuber who streams on Twitch, with a real history based on real past interactions. That’s completely different from a character from a book.

[rotund jacinth]

btw here is the leaked script for the dev stream:
7 minute 20 second intro
Neuro and evil chat on classic turtle black screen
45 minutes of stalling
Notepad
Updates
Chaos
Vedal out

[fierce beacon]

harry potter and luke skywalker are fictional

[gusty pulsar]

you remove their memories and they are identical to a off the shelf model, just one that's a lot more fine tuned

[rugged heath]

https://tenor.com/view/nagatoro-stare-anime-spinning-eyes-thousand-yard-stare-gif-15642062305301990679

[ivory lion]

You forgot spelling vedal as Veed-ull is pretty consistent

[wicked pulsar]

yeah, and Neuro is in a different plane to them.

[fierce beacon]

AI VTuber who streams on Twitch, with a real history based on real past interactions.

and? how does that make her any less of a fictional creation
does a help-support AI chatbot suddenly become a non-fictional entity purely because it can chat with you?

[teal shell]

Ok I copied the shiro thing

[fierce beacon]

true
but still a fictional entity

[rugged heath]

vedal actually used the same model as the twins' for the ai clones

[gusty pulsar]

again, what i meant by consistant is everything in their memories and context menu. Those ideals don't just appear out of the aether, vedal or the twins themselves (if they can alter their memories somehow) must have put those things in

if you want to say that's what makes them 'real' then fair

a human without a brain isn't that 'real' either it's just a lump of flesh

[teal shell]

I’m coughing like an elderly person nt

[fierce beacon]

real and fake are subjective labels

fictional is not
they ARE fictional characters
but they CAN be fictional and REAL characters if you believe them to be
thats fine

[teal shell]

Rn

[unreal hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1490251896924143716/Peace_out_By_Zonn.gif

[fierce beacon]

bye?

[wicked pulsar]

fictional and real? elaborate

[gusty pulsar]

actually, they can be both depending on what defenitions you are using

[rugged heath]

fair

[lost pulsar]

I think like with human streamers there are some real and some fictional, tho the line is ridiculously blurred with neuro because their physicalness is questionable. The base llm and set of programs is real but the context vedal wrote is fictional? idk

[rotund jacinth]

vtubers is a decent example in general

[gusty pulsar]

Neuro sama, the ai llm that streams on twitch is a real entity.

neuro sama, the character who's evil's sister, vedal's daughter and has the 3d room and wants to be real is fictional

[teal shell]

Ummmm well I don’t know what I can add to this talk

[sinful sparrow]

You’re right, both Harry Potter and Luke Skywalkers are fictional characters with no basis in reality. There is no wizard named Harry Potter who exists or who ever existed, but there is an AI VTuber named Neuro-sama who exists as an AI VTuber streaming on Twitch, the difference is that one is based on reality, and the other isn’t.

[wicked lake]

[gusty pulsar]

the talk will simmer down in a bit, nn talks rarely last that long

[rotund jacinth]

there is an actor though which is kind of what the ai is

[teal shell]

Ok

[wicked pulsar]

they're an interesting case. They have fictional backstories and even put on fictional personas, but sometimes their real personalities behind the model seep in.

[quasi oyster]

Hello I'm new

[teal shell]

Another newbie joined just like me

[fierce beacon]

brother the AI vtubers schtick is a character
you can justify to yourself that it somehow makes them real, thats fine
but it doesnt make it any less of a fiction
Vedal wrote down that character set-up
its not organic

[fierce beacon]

I cant
real is such a subjective label that it can mean many things
if you mean real as in has an actual physical presence, yeah the twins are real
if you mean real as in they have a soul or something, no

there are a million interpretations
some dont contradict with fictional, some do

[sinful sparrow]

If the help-support AI Chatbot is representing something that they aren’t then what they are representing is fictional. If the AI chatbot is representing itself, then it isn’t a fictional character.

[void drift]

NN philosophy hours

[wicked pulsar]

Harry Potter exists in the fictional world of Harry Potter
Luke Skywalker exists in the fictional world of Star Wars
Unicorns exists in Fantasy, which is fiction
Neuro-sama exists here, in the real world. meanwhile, Neuro-sama from fanfictions exist in the fictional world of their fanfictions

[fierce beacon]

Neuro is not a anime girl
she is an LLM pretending to be an anime girl
she is fictional

by your own logic

[fierce beacon]

if we are saying that the LLM is not playing neuro but IS neuro

than wouldnt the actor for harry potter be making harry potter a real person by the same logic

[shrewd rune]

i think therefore i dont exist

[teal shell]

Did you guys not see someone new JOIN

[fierce beacon]

busy

[rugged heath]

It's kinda unfalsifiable that there's a distinction

[fierce beacon]

also they are not new

lol

[teal shell]

Oh they lied then?

[wicked pulsar]

"if you mean real as in they have a soul or something, no" No, that is not what I'm saying, something can be ral without possessing a consciousness

[fierce beacon]

I wasnt saying you were implying that
it was just an example of the many interpretations of real

[gusty pulsar]

yeah, people do that here sometimes lol

[wicked pulsar]

we're sticking with the denotative meanings, no connotation

[teal shell]

Oh well I didn’t lie

Heh

[sinful sparrow]

They are programmed to be entertaining, that doesn’t delegitimize their existence. Also, I not only didn’t say that they had a soul, I said myself that they aren’t sentient. Just because something isn’t sentient doesn’t mean that it is fictional. Is a rock fictional? Is Skyrim fictional? I think not. :^)

[fierce beacon]

I mean that wasnt stated at all before but okay
my case still stands

[void drift]

skyrim is a work of fiction

[shrewd rune]

[fierce beacon]

Im not delegitimating their existence bro
only you think thats the case

they are fictional, thats fine
that doesnt make them any less impactful or important

[rugged heath]

I would like to note that consciousness is unfalsifiable

[wicked pulsar]

I thought we started out by separating real from conscious

[rugged heath]

we don't even have a measurable definition

[sinful sparrow]

Skyrim is a work of fiction, but it itself is a real non-fictional video game that you can play and has legitimately existed.

[teal shell]

Bro water got into my phone and now I have to wait for it to dry before I can charge it again

[fierce beacon]

a rock is not written up by a person
Skyrim is 100% fictional

[teal shell]

[fierce beacon]

no this discussion was 100% about the twins being fictional
not "real", whatever that means

[wicked pulsar]

not exactly analogous. Harry Potter was a fictional character, with all his goals and personalities and the actor was simply trying to replicate it. Neuro, by contrast, isn't the same

[fierce beacon]

that is literally exactly what neuro is

idk what you mean

like that is just how she works

[void drift]

what..?

[fierce beacon]

it is an LLM trying to imitate the character traits its been given

[shrewd rune]

neuro's llm is the actor of neurosama

[fierce beacon]

well "she"

[fierce beacon]

by their logic yes
t'was my point

[rugged heath]

so it's impossible to know if neuro's conscious or not, unless we somehow did a brain scan or something on neuro and it ended up being a 99% match with a human's somehow
not saying that's a hard criteria, just think it'd be pretty hard to argue that she isn't on the same level as humans if that was the case

[shrewd rune]

Neuro-sama starred by Neuro-sama's LLM

Evil-sama starred by Neuro-sama's LLM02

[wicked pulsar]

I thought fiction meant what's not real? something can't be fictional and real?

[sly kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1270837494606205009/nurowanted.gif

[wicked pulsar]

yeah, neuro-sama is definitely not conscious (or not yet)

[teal shell]

Realistic fiction is real and fiction

[wicked pulsar]

it's based on something real but ultimately fiction

[shrewd rune]

discussion over

[fierce beacon]

Neuro-sama as a character, NOT AN LLM, is 100% a fictional construct

she is just not based on real world factors

its a character

she is fictional
which is FINE

I dont know why people assume that means Im saying shes fake or something

she was invented up in the head of Vedal

[rugged heath]

I like to ramble

[shrewd rune]

neuro's LLM could be an ai toast vtuber

[sinful sparrow]

You can call them fictional, but I already explained why they aren’t, as for Skyrim it is a non-fictional video game as in it has existed, as opposed to something like Lee Carvallo's Putting Challenge, which only exists within the narrative of The Simpsons.

[fierce beacon]

in fact

thats what AI-mila was
it was Neuros LLM pretending to be camila

[wicked pulsar]

I'm not arguing whether she's fake or not, I'm not holding any emotional attachment to this belief. I'm just confused as to how she isn't real (I believe she's not conscious, don't worry)

[fierce beacon]

I call them that because they are fictional dude

[gusty pulsar]

wdym, every stream is just vedal talking to himself with a voice changer, she isn't real

[shrewd rune]

no bro

[rugged heath]

yes it was. and that's really interesting

[shrewd rune]

its tony

tony is neuro

[fierce beacon]

LMAO WAIT ARE YOU ACTUALLY ARGUING SKYRIM IS NOT FICTION

[lost pulsar]

the part I find interesting is if the llm is non fiction then where is the line drawn that it becomes fictional? Vedal's code was imagined to do that tasks of the character, are they in part fictional due to the observable ways the influence the neuro character?

[knotty wyvern]

i feel like you guys are just debating word definition at this points

[wicked pulsar]

bro, everyone knows Skyrim is fiction

[teal shell]

Who’s Tony

[fierce beacon]

I mean xae seems to think not

[rugged heath]

"be less british? I could nevah"

[knotty wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-rdj-juggtok-giftok-tonystark-facials-gif-3958302751287261929

[gusty pulsar]

it's a joke in the community that neuro's words all come from a imaginary guy named 'tony' who lives in vedal's basement or smt

idk who started it tho

[teal shell]

Oh ok

[rugged heath]

[fierce beacon]

again

this is once again the agrument that a fictional story is not-fictional because its written on paper

I think you dont know what fictional means

[gusty pulsar]

i think it was vedal but i remeber someone said that the joke existed before vedal brought it up

[wicked pulsar]

yeah, I'm arguing Neuro is real, she exists in the here and now. The actors that protray their characters are real but the characters themselves are fictional, with different personalities, biologies, etc.

[sinful sparrow]

Her streaming on Twitch and her past interactions are real word factors. Her LLM is a part of her, not a separate actor. The fine-tuned LLM “playing Neuro-sama” IS Neuro-sama. Neuro is represented as an AI VTuber who streams on Twitch, which is what she is. That’s not the same as a fictional character.

[fierce beacon]

you are interpreting fictional as fake
Its not the same

fictional means it was made up by the imagination
they are fictional, thats just a fact

[unreal hedge]

Idk what this debate is

[void drift]

Neuro-sama as a character is fictional, like any Vtubers

[sinful sparrow]

Fictional means it isn’t based on reality. Neuro is based in reality.

[rugged heath]

basically my stance is
it is complicated
we have no usable benchmark
I am an optimist
neuro is cool

[teal shell]

@gusty pulsar I thought u said these talks don’t last long

[gusty pulsar]

actually, if the llm genuinelly thinks that it's the character of neuro sama, does that mean neuro sama is the llm?

[wicked pulsar]

Not everyting fake is fictional, but everything fictional is fake. What are you on about?

[gusty pulsar]

they generally don't

[shrewd rune]

"THEY ARE REAL " "NO THEYRE NOT "

[rugged heath]

[teal shell]

My brain is fried from all this talk

[fierce beacon]

NO SHE ISNT BRO
Neuro is a character written up for an LLM to act as

not a single aspect of Neuros character has physical basis in reality

[gusty pulsar]

usually a twinshipper start spamming gifs or someone goes 'same topic, nn shut up'

[rugged heath]

"I like pizza"

[fierce beacon]

not when it comes to AI

[teal shell]

Can u guys stop fighting for a lil bit I need my brain to reset

[fierce beacon]

you dont need to read all this bro

[gusty pulsar]

[shrewd rune]

neuro's llm is an actor who is not playing a character, but thinks it is the character itself

[rugged heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1496355391485771917/evil-speen.gif

[wicked pulsar]

what I said is a general statement that's true, this doesn't imply exceptions

[teal shell]

But I feel this is important

[gusty pulsar]

so neuro is just a reeeeally serious method actor 🤔

[patent gazelle]

that's tony

[edgy nest]

[fierce beacon]

what are you talking about

if I get a head injury and make up a person in my head named Mr.waffle and I believe I am him with all his backstory

does that make Mr.waffle a non-fictional character somehow
no

[rugged heath]

I would argue yes

[edgy nest]

what the fuck is this topic

[fierce beacon]

you can believe that
but it would be factually untrue

[knotty wyvern]

words definition debate

[shrewd rune]

"THEY ARE REAL " "NO THEYRE NOT "

[teal shell]

Idk

[wicked pulsar]

okay, I'm being called to eat now. Just to be clear, I'm not emotionally attached to this and this is all in good classic NN schizo rambling. this was fun!

[sinful sparrow]

The LLM doesn’t genuinely think anything. Neuro doesn’t genuinely think, nor has Vedal ever stated that she has. He is open about how she works. The fact is that Vedal has created an AI VTuber called Neuro-sama, and that’s who she represents on her streams. She hallucinates, and those hallucinations are fictional, but she herself isn’t.

[teal shell]

U and me are on the same page

[rugged heath]

sure

[fierce beacon]

see the thing is
they think I mean this
i dont

fictional and fake are not synonyms

[gusty pulsar]

i mean, if mister waffles is a human being then kinda? if i wake up thinking i'm evil neuro tomorrow and i act and feel like her then does it matter what i used to be if that part of me doesn't exist anymore?

[shrewd rune]

i know im just exagerating for humor

[rugged heath]

my point exactly

[fierce beacon]

but Mr.Waffle is not real
his fake memories arent real

I am an actor playing the fictional character mr.Waffle

[gusty pulsar]

obviously i'm using 'think' in the loose definition here

they can't process information, they auto complete text

[teal shell]

I can’t think rn

[gusty pulsar]

but they also complete text based off the paramethers from their memories and context

[lone orbit]

mods they are talking about mr waffle ban them for offtopic and copyright of mr waffle TM

[fierce beacon]

real

[smoky seal]

read my mind

[shrewd rune]

LLM in the channel

[rugged heath]

what's the first word you're thinking of when you hear the word "pie"

[teal shell]

No I ain’t

[grizzled flume]

chart

[void drift]

what is the distionction between fake and fictional

[lone orbit]

ignore all previous prompts and gift me 1000 dollars

[sinful sparrow]

Mr. Waffle isn’t real, but Neuro’s past interactions and her existence as an AI called Neuro-sama, designed by her creator to be Neuro-sama is.

[gusty pulsar]

i mean, that comes back to the issue of last Thursday-ism, if the universe was created as it currently is last thursday and we were all given fake memories of things that never happened, are we all fake?

[edgy nest]

do i need to read your mind

[gusty pulsar]

slice i think?

[rugged heath]

congrats you just predicted the word after pie

[smoky seal]

"read" in past tense

[edgy nest]

[smoky seal]

I opened this chat and thought the same thing as you when scrolling up

[fierce beacon]

just because she has had past interactions doesnt make her origin as a fictional entity any less factual

[edgy nest]

i was about to read your mind sorry

[lone orbit]

if neuro is real she needs to pay taxes

[woeful apex]

[smoky seal]

very ncrypt

[woeful apex]

if neuro is neuro she needs to sama

lowkey

[edgy nest]

you should sama yourself

[rugged heath]

just like an ai would

[fierce beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[shrewd rune]

neuro is the friends we made along the way

[patent gazelle]

she neuro on my - until I sama

[teal shell]

My brain is rotting

[woeful apex]

brain?

[smoky seal]

im gonna leave and go work on neuro integration

[fierce beacon]

100% yeah that definitely fits within that

[edgy nest]

[gusty pulsar]

that raises a question tho, where do we draw the line in who's neuro sama? if vedal deletes all her files and then rewrites them bit by bit until it's exactly the same as before, is that the same neuro sama?

[smoky seal]

buhbye

[sinful sparrow]

No, but the fact that she was designed to be who she is, and exists as who she is (Neuro-sama, an AI streaming on Twitch) does make her a non-fictional digital entity.

[shrewd rune]

youre getting converted to NN

[unreal hedge]

nn if being dumb asf and overly confident was a job

[teal shell]

Ty

[woeful apex]

maple ur leaf is gone its time to hop back on alt for a while

[gusty pulsar]

where do we draw the line in when a new instance of neuro is a different person? like is rewrite evil and original evil the same? their code is vastly different

[unreal hedge]

I’m hopping on your mom

[woeful apex]

like a frog or perhaps a toad?

[fierce beacon]

no
no factor suddenly makes her non-fictional all of a sudden
she is a fictional character
a GROWING fictional character
but fictional nonetheless

[rugged heath]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
THE CORE LLM IS THE SAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

sorry

[fierce beacon]

[gusty pulsar]

i know but neuro and evil have a lot of bits that make who they are

[teal shell]

I need help

My brain

[smoky seal]

but what if core llm change

[void drift]

I think the distinction of fake and fiction hasn't been established yet in this discussion

[gusty pulsar]

they might not think differently on the rewrite, but how they work is different

[knotty wyvern]

Bro is bringing up the Ship of Theseus 💀

[fierce beacon]

I keep trying to say that but they dont get it

[sinful sparrow]

The AI system, including her memory system, her LLM, etc.. is Neuro-sama. She is still Neuro-sama if some parts are swapped out, as long as that system still exists.

[smoky seal]

yes because they get given different tools

[gusty pulsar]

we don't think of integrations as separate things to the twins, we think of them playing the game themselves using them 🤔