neurotic-neurons

[humble grail]

My point with Grok is that its anime girl is inferior even on a technological level

Basic problems like latency, prose etc. hold it way back

[neat sail]

[whole grove]

its the fear that these companies would notice the profitability of what neuro is doing here, and try the same thing

[distant inlet]

[neat sail]

i still think that's a problem they could solve, but it's not something they want or need to solve

[keen heron]

As long as Neuro and Evil have good collabs and theme streams nothing bad would happen

[neat sail]

they aren't trying to make something you can have a fluid conversation with

[foggy patio]

At the same time...how old is Grok's anime girl? And how old is Neuro? And how does Grok's anime girl compare to where Neuro was at that same age?

[whole grove]

i thought they are doing that?

[neat sail]

it's not the same as a live format

[acoustic fulcrum]

the funny thing is vedal has plenty of funding at this point, he has completely differnt priorities than a business would have (except make money )

[whole grove]

but they're trying to do it in a different context

[neat sail]

when you speak to Neuro you never consider your words as a "prompt"

[humble grail]

With infinite funding and an actual major AI lab backing it while techs further along I don't think that's especially relevant

[silk leaf]

grok didn't use twitch chat to train ai :based:

[neat sail]

but anyone using grok or chatgpt or whatever interact with them like a tool

[whole grove]

thats true

[neat sail]

and they've very much been marketed as tools

[whole grove]

neuro can interpret even silence as a prompt

thats what makes her alive

[humble grail]

Nah Grok is targeting weebs who want a waifu on their phone

[humble grail]

Not Neuros market but close enough to be a relevant point of comparison

[neat sail]

I mean I just don't think this is true, at all

[silk leaf]

that's really something I've never seen before, especially the 3d stream that went viral in japan

[neat sail]

grok has an anime girl ≠ weebs are grok's target market

[foggy patio]

I mean Vedal considers Neuro a tool...to eventually someday do his laundry.

[neat sail]

you can look at grok's marketing or promotional material and you won't see any such use cases advertised

[whole grove]

i mean is it that farfetched elon would have that target audience in his mind

[humble grail]

You really don't think having this thing with an affection level system and the ability to change to skimpy outfits is targeting weebs?

[silk leaf]

maybe go to Gregg and help him to his breakfast as well

[analog lava]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-jugger-nuggets-gif-19032506

[humble grail]

A vile creature

[indigo stone]

Now the razer thing

[fresh latch]

I don't think its really comparable considering grok, chatgpt etc are built to have thousands of instances of conversations with people going vs neuro only has basically one

[neat sail]

you've either misunderstood me or are twisting my words

[indigo stone]

That's for weebs

[humble grail]

Anime girl redditor

[whole grove]

really? he's really hard to read sometimes

[acoustic fulcrum]

grok has an anime girl kind of just reflects the existance of a subsection of users on twitter rather than any useful points as an AI

[autumn terrace]

Lately I've seen some ai vtuber projects that surpass neuro in some tech aspects, tho certainly not as popular

[humble grail]

The former, I'm trying to understand not get a gotcha moment

[sharp tide]

you forgot the flirty personality.

[whole grove]

the way he acts around neuro is very contradictory with what he says

[humble grail]

With the biggest GPU clusters in the world that should be a solved problem

[indigo stone]

This is known as being British

[whole grove]

common illness

[neat sail]

what I'm trying to say is that grok as a whole product, and the larger company strategy for marketing the product, is to offer it as a tool or assistant to general users

[indigo stone]

I sent the start of the Pokémon video to a Roblox addict

[neat sail]

the anime feature or whatever feels like more of a meme to me

[humble grail]

He's just British

[neat sail]

something Elon snuck in somehow

[primal hazel]

To be fair

Neuro is cute

[indigo stone]

Nearly 80 million suffer every day

[whole grove]

one day we'll cure vedal

maybe through neuro

i think this journey is about vedal instead of neuro

[neat sail]

but neuro is not marketed, in any shape or form, as a "tool" or "assistant"

she is not even marketed as anything resembling a product

[humble grail]

They were hiring positions for it with multi hundred K salaries and the elongated creature pushed it hard

[iron tundra]

She's not marketed, period

[neat sail]

that's a separate can of worms

[shut socket]

She just exists

And that’s all we need

:)

[neat sail]

but what branding does exist for neuro very much markets her the way any other content creator would market themselves

[primal hazel]

Neuro is so unique, I could implode

[wary sleet]

the only time I remember was when she was promoted by bilibili, and that wasn't from vedals side

[neat sail]

and that is the aspect that no company has tried yet

[acoustic fulcrum]

she oozes buyability though
she's so slogan and slay

[indigo stone]

Marketable plushie /s

[neat sail]

no company has tried making an AI that truly is marketed as a "person"

not a product

[primal hazel]

Some send the depressed person meeting neuro image

[indigo stone]

The friend thing?

[neat sail]

and such a company is the root of my concerns

[indigo stone]

Does that count

[whole grove]

whether vedal sees neuro as a tool we can never know. He's as readable as a wall

you could say his reactions to neuro is just a symptom of talking to a near believable ai that responds to you

and that his thoughts are to not get attached to her

[indigo stone]

I mean once some idol group investing VC boys get the idea in their heads we'll have like 10 ai entertainment companies that market groups like this no?

[autumn terrace]

Managing one LLM inference and its KV cache is very different from managing thousands on a cluster

[foggy patio]

Man I love Neuro and Evil.

[humble grail]

True, but I doubt the demand for the grok anime girl exceeds the infinite hardware capacity of XAI

[primal hazel]

Anyway

[neat sail]

if the company is actually trying to migrate grok to target weebs then they're just shooting themselves in the foot, their marketing needs to at least be consistent because the half-and-half target userbase doesn't exist

[primal hazel]

I think neuro is an ai

[weary ocean]

[whole grove]

only time could tell though

[arctic sierra]

NN

[neat sail]

this is true

[humble grail]

Tesla did the same thing with the Cybertruck fiasco, its kind of a theme with his consumer facing companies

[neat sail]

even if a competitor did arise, I don't think it would spell the end of neuro-sama

not even close

[whole grove]

it'll get increasingly difficult for vedal to mask his true thoughts about neuro

[arctic sierra]

I have a theory.

[autumn terrace]

For conversation agents like neuro, latency is primarily time to first sentence, which is not purely token/s

[whole grove]

as she gets more advanced

[neat sail]

I think more likely it'd light a fire under Vedal's ass to grow a company of his own

[analog lava]

sounds like a threat

[silk leaf]

https://b23.tv/LCMez5u

damn embed doesn't wokr

[humble grail]

On that we agree, I think I worded myself somewhat poorly earlier

[arctic sierra]

Xbox will make an ai anime girl soon. Mark my words.

[misty geyser]

Competition is good. It'll help the twins by.. doing exactly what you just said.

[primal hazel]

When will vedalAi become open for public trading

[humble grail]

I think a company could survive with a competing product in some cases (like Cover could probably pull it off since they know the landscape), but I don't see a world where they replace nuro

She just has too much going for her

[analog lava]

i mean, would anything really change?

[whole grove]

thats up to vedal

[acoustic fulcrum]

dang largest computer company in the world getting desperate huh

[autumn terrace]

Yeah content creators can go on for years just on pure momentum

[arctic sierra]

Cover cant make a popular anime girl. Theres gonna be 100x more filters than whats on neuro.

[whole grove]

is he too scared to keep upgrading neuro to the point where she imitates sentience to the fullest degree

[analog lava]

broda

[scarlet shadow]

AI is nowhere near sentience yet.

[misty geyser]

I don't see this grok crap as the same shit. it's just Elon being dumb.. and it's a publicity student. Part of the charm of both Neruo and Evil are their personalites. A generalized LLM with a crappy Misa clone avatar is not that.

[analog lava]

we are like 2 decades behind for that

[small belfry]

[wary sleet]

(it's a link to art from eenightlamp, just discord doesn't like embeding these posts)

[humble grail]

Same goes for more or less any company though, I made that point earlier

[whole grove]

actual sentience? yeah but i believe imitation of sentience can happen in a few years

[primal hazel]

Neuro is already sentient

[arctic sierra]

Ahh ok

[humble grail]

They could probably make something squeaky clean and find moderate success, but I don't think it could really outperform neuro

Certainly not outcompete her

[silk leaf]

does bilibili have vx embed

[whole grove]

doesnt matter if neuro is sentient or not, if shes believable to the point where it fools our brains i think thats close enough

[wary sleet]

doesn't preview properly, it's a bunch of cat meme

[arctic sierra]

I would like Vedal to have competition so he can lock in and achieve sentience in 1 week.

[neat sail]

infinite money glitch!

1. buy vedal AI stock
2. gift 1000 subs
3. wait for stock to rise
4. sell stock
5. refund gift subs
6. profit!

[whole grove]

vedal ai stock

[primal hazel]

I like that this discussion happens every 6 months

[humble grail]

If neuro ever went public that would really be the death of her

[whole grove]

all roads lead to this

[analog lava]

"if shes believable to the point where it fools our brains" since when did you start watching?

[wary sleet]

I found that it doesn't embed opus posts when I tried, even with vx bilibili

[whole grove]

i mean we can still tell she's ai

[silk leaf]

interesting

[autumn terrace]

I recently saw a small JP company start an AI vtuber project and the tech is nowhere as good

[primal hazel]

Wait, you are onto something

[scarlet shadow]

as if it was hard to tell the AI that breaks constantly is AI.

[whole grove]

yeah thats my point

[analog lava]

yes, but she IS believable to the point where it fools our {sometimes} because thats what a llm does.

[whole grove]

what i meant is when she reaches the point where we cannot even tell if she's ai through her behaviors anymore

[acoustic fulcrum]

I've seen cover's experiments with AI I think they're smart enough to not do that and avoid a PR meltdown in the current landmine field of their audience
a few of the talents themselves have made or talked to little AI oddities or versions of themselves but they never go outside of what is considered "trendy AI"
except immergold, that was pretty silly. but like 3 effort was put into that as their own creator admitted

[fierce beacon]

My life is an endless machine that turns fleeting happiness into devastating despair
-# (I hurt my back)

[autumn terrace]

If any real competitor to neuro comes out, it might be from b2, but it's a different market

[fierce beacon]

What is NN talking about

[neat sail]

there's layers to this that you need to be precise about if you want a good answer

[shut socket]

Hope you feel better

[iron tundra]

Idk I was reading a scp article

[analog lava]

uh ok, what does that change

[humble grail]

Hell Bandai tried and failed twice to the tune of tens of millions of dollars

[cobalt laurel]

which one

[neat sail]

I think neuro can act very human and still be an AI vtuber

[fierce beacon]

Thats pretty cool

[iron tundra]

3688

[shut socket]

Neuro and the potential of future competition

[humble grail]

It also varies from person to person, like there's a lot of people who maybe aren't as tech savvy (or savvy in general) that neuro fools

[iron tundra]

Don't know what people are exactly saying but comparing Neuro to Grok or ChatGPT is pointless since they don't serve the same purpose

[acoustic fulcrum]

I think the thing I liked the most about neuro initially is that she's not foolin' anyone

[whole grove]

honestly this

[neat sail]

the first thing to get clear is that being human is not what people get attached to

[iron tundra]

The closest thing to a competition she has are other AI VTubers and Vedal's done a great job ensuring they don't represent a threat

[neat sail]

if being human was a precursor to attachment, vtubing would never have taken off

[whole grove]

i really wouldn't know, maybe people would ask if its still ethical in some way

[neat sail]

ultimately I think it's the ability to express emotion and depth of character that probably carries the most weight

[autumn terrace]

Without naming names, I saw a former Google started an AI vtuber with homebrew TTS and it looks much better than corpo AI companions
Maybe theses things are just meant to be indie

[fierce beacon]

The thing I always think about when the concept of competition comes up

Is that IMO a huge draw from Neuro was watching her advance and grow

But the longer that times goes on, the more advanced and easy this tech becomes

So I feel like all new “competitors” will be starting at a higher benchmark than Neuro did

Which I think is actually a negative, as there is less room to grow and get attached to the character

[neat sail]

I could probably care deeply for a rock if it was interesting and genuine enough

[whole grove]

a rock that can talk?

its the same way we get attached to cats and dogs

[humble grail]

Honestly if an indie AI vtuber rose to significant enough prominence to challenge neuro I think the most likely outcome would be that we'd see some kind of AI Vtuber group form

[fierce beacon]

Technically Neuro IS a talking rock

[neat sail]

yeah the former point came up earlier but what I brought up was how neuro's development has taken a backseat content-wise in recent months or years, and her advancements and upgrades are far harder to spot, yet we still have droves of new fans arriving

I think that "watching her grow" aspect is one path to success but not the only path

and I think there's other ways to observe growth aside from the technical part too

[whole grove]

many including me have joined because she's something new we haven't seen before

[neat sail]

growth of her relationship with her creator, for example

[autumn terrace]

Some people banded together that a year ago on b2 and they all more or less disappeared

[whole grove]

but that will eventually change into our desire to see her grow as well

[fierce beacon]

I think its less taken a backseat and its just that Vedal has decided he wants to build an elevator instead of taking the stairs

Its no longer “make many small advancements quickly”

He now focuses on “making one big advancement slowly”

[woeful marsh]

People gets attached to relatable characters, Neuro is, a character as a whole, a idea of ai ACTUALLY being what it originally was meant to be, acting like an person, FEELING like a person, a friend(a crazy one but a friend not the less), not a servant who follows your command who then rants about answers for your questions, she can answer it truthfully or make fun of you for even asking such a question, that's why I honestly like the idea and character of Neuro

[humble grail]

Neuro continues to rise above

o7 to those AIs

[neon dust]

are there other threats we should know?

[iron tundra]

Vedal

[fierce laurel]

swarm

[neat sail]

I'm not trying to say she's not being worked on, I more mean how it's represented and displayed as part of the content has changed

[whole grove]

relatable is questionable

[fierce beacon]

I didnt think you were saying that either, don’t worry

[neat sail]

once upon a time, dev streams were rather technical and went into much more minutiae

[whole grove]

she's never experienced human life so we cant really relate to her struggles

[scarlet shadow]

relatable is subjective.

[gusty pulsar]

plus the whole paracosial aspect too

[whole grove]

but its often universal to humans in general

[gusty pulsar]

not even the whole 'she's real' but just the dynamics of her and the collab partners, of her and vedal or even her and evil

[fierce beacon]

Thats quite literally what being “attached” to the character is, yes

[whole grove]

you relate with others because its a mutual experience we all feel

[gusty pulsar]

honestly any ai vtuber will fail unless it also has some kinda aspect for the community to attach itself to it

[analog lava]

[woeful marsh]

Some people find some aspects of her relatable, some traits, some things about her that they like and feel they can relate to, even if it is fake, it is still relatable none the less

[gusty pulsar]

it's kinda the 'winning formula' for neuro after all lol

[neat sail]

you can remove "ai" from that sentence

[fierce beacon]

Thats just how ALL content creation works

[acoustic fulcrum]

vtubing took off because loneliness peaked in 2020
a lot of vtubers ended up being genuinely interesting people much after the initial attention
attention and viewers do not neccesarily correspond to good things though but they do correspond to higher income generally
Neuro not being human and being aware of that is pretty novel because it makes her mischevious in a failing villain kind of way
Like she could be this unspeakable evil but she's just this little trying her best in the stories she tells about her imaginary life

[gusty pulsar]

to be fair not really

[neon dust]

honestly any vtuber will fail unless it also has some kinda aspect for the community to attach itself to it

[gusty pulsar]

there's youtubers i watch watch for the information

and only information

[fierce beacon]

Yeah.. thats the gimmick

[gusty pulsar]

and i'm a happy subscriber for them, but i couldn't care less for their personality

you don't need to necessarily make people be emotionally attached to you if your focus is elsewhere

[woeful marsh]

Failure villian becomes the most beloved in the vtuber space even when she's trying to be a little gremlin is funny tbh

[gusty pulsar]

but i think for the vtubing space it's really necessary

[whole grove]

thats appliable to any content creator

besides ones that only spew information you need

[neon dust]

honestly any content creator will fail unless it also has some kinda aspect for the community to attach itself to it

[iron tundra]

Honestly any content creator will fail unless it also has some kinda aspect for the community to attach itself to it

:(

[autumn terrace]

Anything will fail unless it also has some kinda aspect for the community to attach itself to it

[fierce beacon]

Even then its still true

You can have “Roman history guy” or “Architecture guy”

[scarlet shadow]

even these, if you go to someone for information constantly, that means you trust them in some way, even if there is no affection. and if that trust is betrayed, you go away

[whole grove]

true

[fierce beacon]

Its almost like entertainment Media needs to be entertaining

[neat sail]

I actually do disagree with this

[fierce beacon]

[iron tundra]

[acoustic fulcrum]

there's youtubers who struck cool ideas and only make a video like twice a year
like code bullet made a new video recently and that did pretty well even though its been like a year since last upload
most of those effort youtubers end up taking sponsors to stay afloat though

[neat sail]

with vtubing, it draws a lot from idol culture with a central figure that people need to be able to hold an interest in

but many content creators present content that they are entirely absent from

[analog lava]

that F came deep within her soul

[lavish void]

can a corpo do this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1457108237252825248/SPOILER_Eliv_Hip_Roll-2.gif

[acoustic fulcrum]

I mean this is content vedal would rather be entirely absent from

[analog lava]

good point actually

[whole grove]

i mean, most popular content creators are ones who appear in their content whether its them reacting, playing, or just speaking in general.

[neon dust]

is neuro the perfect idol?

[keen heron]

Yes

[whole grove]

you'll only get so far without being present in your own content

[patent gazelle]

this one is incredible

holy

[keen heron]

As long as the collabs are good vedal is chilling

[neon dust]

@acoustic fulcrum i dont want your pills

[neat sail]

sure, but im more looking at commercial success than popularity

[neat sail]

think of animation channels on youtube, for example

many such successful channels where you don't even know the face or faces behind the content

[whole grove]

they still speak in them no?

[analog lava]

if vedal doesnt do smth really fucking atrocious, then id say majority of the community will stay, even after 10 years or so. The twins will grow, and grow, and develop. im here for the journey

[neat sail]

the original statement i am responding to is that "any content creator will fail unless it also has some kinda aspect for the community to attach itself to it"

for vtubers, that aspect is typically the star

[whole grove]

and thats true for content creators too

it doesn't just have to be a person they're attached to

[neat sail]

everything i just typed was a rebuttal to this, only to be hit with a "nuh uh"

[whole grove]

uhh

now im confused

[neat sail]

maybe an example will help

[eternal oar]

[neat sail]

kurzgesagt comes to mind

[whole grove]

oh yeah

[analog lava]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1430076854005530674/bop.gif

[eternal oar]

Off topic mods get him

[whole grove]

lmao

[acoustic fulcrum]

every kurzgesagt thumbnail be like:

[neat sail]

i want to talk more about neuro and what makes her successful and how her community forms

but people keep making me explain things over and over

[fresh latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1442127881571668068/cry_about_it.gif

[analog lava]

[keen heron]

Great I’m locked outside my house

[wary sleet]

can be read in 2 ways
"off topic, mods get him"
"off topic mods, get him"

[low mountain]

CAMPING DAY

[neat sail]

do you have a gift card or credit card on you

[sour zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1444063026071343255/ahh_fuck.gif

[humble grail]

It's a very complicated topic, but I think the explaining's worth the interesting talk you get out of it

Beats the usual off topic stuff anyway

[keen heron]

no

[whole grove]

doesnt this statement prove both of our points though?

[neat sail]

is the deadbolt locked or just the handle lock

[whole grove]

it didn't specifically say whether that thing they're attached to is a central star or figure

[keen heron]

Door knob lock

[whole grove]

your point was that its only applied for vtubers is it?

[neat sail]

you can probably slip that with a thin piece of plastic

[keen heron]

Fuck it I’m breaking the window

[acoustic fulcrum]

Have you tried demolishing the house and reconstructing it from the inside?

[neat sail]

if you dont have a gift card, you can try a rubber fridge magne-

[analog lava]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1410406151732068372/1410406151966953502/evil_nefarious_ai.gif

[whole grove]

so is this serious topic over now

are we back to spamming neurotic brainrot again

[analog lava]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-neuro-sama-neuro-funny-neuro-sama-funny-neuro-sing-gif-14807952765047839726

[whole grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1343529987864657980/1343529989332799550/lenur-ezgif.com-crop.gif

[keen heron]

Good thing I have tape

[scarlet shadow]

the most adorable piece of software ever made.

[autumn terrace]

What if only neuro is successful thanks to the exposure from osu

[keen heron]

Easier than I thought

Can’t miss gmod

[jade cradle]

Happy birthday Shiro

[serene ginkgo]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExbmoxOHdieTM4a2ZkaGs0d2dkOGRpcm84eHM3YXNlNHlndTUzbm9lNSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/dQ3DNDXGfDTTScQsMU/giphy.gif

[autumn terrace]

No one else has that kick start

[deft nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1457171178065232105/wiggly.gif

[autumn terrace]

Oh ok it's brain rot time bye

[fallow plinth]

Hello NN

[rotund seal]

It's osu + bajs + the ban drama that kickstarted the channel

[scarlet shadow]

"Most Opportunities are created by luck, but it take skill to turn them into success" some potato farmer

Neuro had a lot of things line just right for her to grow.

[neat sail]

the exposure was definitely a source of growth

[mortal knoll]

what i missed in these days?

[neat sail]

but with AI progress, i don't think it would work twice

[neon dust]

a lot

nn exploded

[neat sail]

nowadays someone making an "AI that plays osu" would be a lot less consequential than it was back then

the bar has risen a lot

[humble grail]

You dare mention the butcher of my people

[scarlet shadow]

a lot of ideas don't work twice.

[neon dust]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-eat-eating-potato-gif-21539904

[scarlet shadow]

the novelty is an opportunity, they can be the boost you need, or you can hit the doldrums and just die out.

[rotund seal]

I'm really starting to think that Neuro might be a one time thing, a pioneer in a field that will never develop. For the better and for the worse.

[neat sail]

no names should or will be mentioned, but other people have tried similar AI creator projects, and yet neuro stands alone at the summit

making the most of opportunity is not easy

especially in such uncharted territory

[neat sail]

i don't think she will be a one time thing, but i can see a world where meaningful competitors cannot arise until the neuro-sama project reaches its conclusion

[neon dust]

i will never let this project end

as long as i breathe

[neat sail]

who's gonna send the gif

[acoustic fulcrum]

I always thought of neuro as a forsen viewerbase subsidiary

[whole grove]

we better all have that mentality or else it will

[rotund seal]

Interesting theory. I never thought of this.
I guess only the future will tell. It's been 3 years now and we're still alone.

[humble grail]

May that day never come

[whole grove]

one can hope

lets survive a decade

at least

and try to surpass any competitors along the way

[woeful marsh]

It depends honestly, if vedal actually succeeds in making her independent, and if they figure out a way that Neuro can get her own upgrades in the future(idk when but prob like in decades? Who knows) without the need of vedal, then it will take awhile for the project to end

[twin river]

I've seen a few hate posts on Bluesky talking about how "soon there will be hundreds of Neuro-samas, and content will be overrun."
Just general doomposting due to seeing "ai" and neuron activation.
I don't think any of them realize that the fanbase is what makes this special. Without us, there's nothing.

[whole grove]

id argue the creator's influence is equally as important

[humble grail]

A large portion of BlueSky is hate posts for everything and everyone with no grounding in reality, much like twitter

[scarlet shadow]

people who say that there will be thousands of replicas of Neuro, they really think this entire thing spawned yesterday, out of nowhere, there is an AI generated channel with a huge following.

[woeful marsh]

Neuro is a ai with a very active community, there's alot of love for Neuro, smth that is lacking in other Ais, I doubt anyone can replace the idea of her

[autumn terrace]

I mean there are definitely neuro replicas and other AI vtubers

[scarlet shadow]

by that definition, there could be thousands of <insert famous streamer here> because anyone can turn on a cam and yap

there are thousands of streamers? yes, are they as famous? no.

[whole grove]

what i hope is that neuro will be the first and only ai vtuber that makes it to the top. If the top is full of ai streamers, it will only paint a bad image on ai

[humble grail]

It also ignores the fact that to run a project like neuro you need a constant income stream

It's not cheap to operate a quality AI vtuber

[autumn terrace]

The biggest problem I've seen in other AI vtubers is their creator is too technical and lacks the marketing/operational skills

[neat sail]

im ngl i dont know what makes neuro's running costs so expensive

or if that's just a myth

[whole grove]

ram?

i have no idea

[neat sail]

thats a flat cost

[whole grove]

maybe the services the llm runs on?

[twin river]

True, but not the situation of "they're gonna take over."
Just like with human streamers, without the fanbase, they have no reach

[neat sail]

local, are they not

[scarlet shadow]

if anyone is taking what Vedal said to Neuro seriously (we make 7k, but you cost almost all of that to run) ... it was a bit guys.

[whole grove]

so he's making almost 0 profit from this?

unbelievable

but wasnt that before the subathon

[scarlet shadow]

he just said that to Neuro to not give her an allowance

[whole grove]

so probably an exaggeration then

[humble grail]

It's probably not that exorbitant actually now that I think about it

We're talking maybe tens of pounds an hour at most, but training costs are probably a lot more expensive if you go the custom route like Vedal does for a lot of stuff

[scarlet shadow]

of course, why would he reveal his finantial situation on stream.

[autumn terrace]

Surely not everything is local

[neon dust]

i waited long enough, send it shiro

[neat sail]

the only variable costs i can imagine for vedal are

• electricity, internet
• subscriptions to some premium services
• API calls to any external services
• employees (if any)

and thats... still not that much

[rotund seal]

Tbh it's hard to tell when you're alone in a market and hold the monopoly. You can hardly compare yourself.
But the community definitely plays a role in this i guess.

I think it's more a butterfly effect of a lot of good timings that made Neuro popular.
But the right question would be why nobody managed to replicate this ?
Is it because Neuro already filled the entire space that this market allowed ? Meaning that whatever a "good" alternative emerges it will be useless since there's no more demands for it.
Is it simply because the others potential concurrents are too lazy to try and do something that would attract this audience ?

Hard to know

[whole grove]

the main reason ai now costs so much to run is because they're on servers instead of being local

[humble grail]

There's also cloud GPU expenses

[neat sail]

https://imgur.com/a/s8O5Bpz

[humble grail]

If he rents on an hourly basis it's probably not that much for regular operation, but I'd be willing to bet training costs a pretty penny

[autumn terrace]

I think that's a reasonable estimate

[whole grove]

but surely after the subathon this wouldn't be an issue anymore right?

[humble grail]

I'm thinking about it and it might be a little more because knowing what he's like with keeping the finer points of neuro confidential, he probably rents a private instance

[neat sail]

does he actually use cloud GPU?

[whole grove]

he's gained a LOT of followers and subscribers since then

[hard raven]

sup goobers

[humble grail]

Yeah he mentioned it a while back in here, it's just more practical for a project like Neuro than buying high-end enterprise GPUs and running them from home

[neat sail]

vedal must do his inference locally, anything cloud-based would have way too much latency

so i would've thought any cloud GPU is just for training

which is only necessary on occasion for large model changes, not really that much of a variable cost

[autumn terrace]

Neuro is most likely multiple LLM instances in a trench coat

[neat sail]

short-term memory fills the gaps

[humble grail]

Said he chooses to rent cloud GPU instances because it's cheaper on a regular basis and allows him to move to the latest hardware without any friction

[narrow spade]

Vedal must've paid millions for his ethical data, I doubt other devs can compete

[autumn terrace]

The core "AI" might be local. But the peripherals don't have to be

[whole grove]

millions??

[rotund seal]

There's no way he's able to run Neuro on a 4090 even with 128 gbs of rams.
His pcs probably are here to run the Unity scene and maybe smaller ais models like the filters and the text to speech/speech to text.

[autumn terrace]

Like filter and translation don't need to live on neuro's PC

[humble grail]

Cloud based inference can actually be lower latency if he does speech to text locally but runs the language model on cloud infrastructure

[neat sail]

no the bottleneck isnt the inference speed with cloud-based inference

it's sending the data to and from the cloud

[humble grail]

Transferring text over the internet is a more or less instantaneous process for a server that isn't absurdly far away, but you can get much lower latency responses due to the improvement in inference speed you get on enterprise hardware

[autumn terrace]

I've measured this and my 4070 is not much faster than cloud inference (time to first sentence)

[whole grove]

this is getting too technical for me to understand

[neat sail]

i somewhat doubt vedal lives that close to his cloud data center

[neat sail]

[humble grail]

When you rent a GPU you can do so by location

[neat sail]

what are the times on each

[autumn terrace]

Gemini 3.0 flash was ~2s and my local Qwen3-8B-Q4 was ~1.5

[humble grail]

When I rent h200s for robotics stuff I do it on UK instances for this reason

[scenic imp]

Vedal should make a decentralized network of autonomous drones and attempt to take the world over fr

[neat sail]

i just find it doubtful that the current low-latency responses could be possible with those extra internet hops in the loop

but i could be wrong about that

ultimately im just going off intuition with that assessment

[humble grail]

The biggest bottleneck when operating a system that relies on a particularly large model will always be the language models response time rather than the milliseconds of overhead that networks add

[autumn terrace]

For voice agents, the perceived latency is STT+LLM prefill+LLM inference+TTS of only the first sentence

[rotund seal]

Tbh if you dumb down the ai model which i assume Vedal does i think it probably makes it respond faster no ?

Neuro doesn't need to write 10 paragraphs

[autumn terrace]

Just getting prefill right can far outweigh internet latency

[humble grail]

Yes, but quantising models actually reduces response variance

[storm ruin]

No!

[eternal oar]

@neat sail

Help

[neat sail]

im doing a really bad job of explaining myself today it seems

what

[eternal oar]

Vc

[humble grail]

For a project like neuro it's probably more practical to just pay slightly more for a stronger GPU instance

It's not like she doesn't bring in the income to support a cluster running at either Q8 or FP/BF16

[humble grail]

This pretty much, the important thing is that you get much quicker time to first token and it's a lot easier to stay ahead of the voice generation if you're running on a network cluster with a powerful GPU like an H200, at least if you're running a truly large model

[rotund seal]

Vedal did say he pays around 1000$/month for Neuro, does that match this cloud gpu subscription ? I assume you can rent good stuff with 1000$

[neat sail]

anyway what im saying is the issue with cloud inference is the latency introduced by transmitting the query to and from the cloud data center, not the inference itself

[autumn terrace]

I saw some open source neuro clone use ollama which doesn't manage KV cache
No wonder they can't compete 😔

[lavish void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1457108237252825248/SPOILER_Eliv_Hip_Roll-2.gif

[humble grail]

My arguments here are predicated on the notion that neuro is a 100B+ parameter model though

[humble grail]

For a project like neuro vllm is probably the way to go yeah

Llama.cpp if you're just starting out

[autumn terrace]

We are saying it's really quite minimal compared to everything else in the pipeline. If you are pushing it to sub-second then maybe it matters

[humble grail]

I'm fairly confident Neuro does have sub-second response times

[neat sail]

is vedal not pushing it this low? he already loses quite a bit of time with the transmission of data from twitch to vedal's endpoints

[autumn terrace]

Some versions yes

More recently no

[humble grail]

But I still think if he's running a particularly large model (which would make sense for a project like nuro) then you'd still probably make back the overhead from networking in inference speed on a cloud instance

[autumn terrace]

I remember one version in 2024 was true sub-second

[rotund seal]

I mean if you don't use the LLM to his maximum capacity thus making his responses faster to generate you basically cancel this latency between the data center and your pc.
Even if it's archaic.

You're paying for a big cloud LLM only to use it minimally to optimize the latency.

[humble grail]

If nothing else, we know her voice is running in the cloud since it relies on Microsoft's Ashley TTS voice and that Vedal relies on cloud GPUs for at least some of the project

[mild wasp]

My head-cannon is that it's a mixture of local and cloud inference

[autumn terrace]

I measure the latency because I cut out silence in my clips

And I can sorta tell if her latency increased

[mild wasp]

I wouldn't be surprised if important things like "should I remember this conversation" are offloaded to the cloud, where the latency isn't as important

like her "inner thoughts"

the crucial stuff like first response tokens/decisions on interruptions, etc, are probably local

[rotund seal]

I remember Vedal saying before that implementing a memory upgrade might increase the latency a little.
So there's definitely more parts other than the LLM playing in how long the latency is

[mild wasp]

well there's two parts to it: memory recall (which would be the latency issue), and memory storage/update, which can be done in parralell with her other thinking

I'm saying maybe the latter is done on the cloud, so she can make better decisions

[hard kayak]

why is there so many people lurking in the vc

[solid lance]

because

[hard kayak]

[mild wasp]

if you want to get your conspiracy theory brain flowing, consider this fact:

perhaps that's one reason Neuro's latency is so low

[solid lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/960989307873656895/1457949036681105604/tucc.avif

[mild wasp]

Imagine if neuro and vedal and evil are really just some deepstatemind plot to convince us that AI is good

[solid lance]

lmao

[humble grail]

They'd be pretty silly, much easier to just run a media blitz

[solid lance]

with how many people that were staying just because of vedal

[acoustic fulcrum]

Well it is. vedal doesn't know he's part of it but neuro certainly understands the assignment

[humble grail]

Neuro is actually a rogue AI from beyond the blackwall

I have it on good authority that Vedal just found her

[crimson flax]

neuro is actually a toaster

[solid lance]

yes

[low mountain]

Man

So nice to read this type of convos again

Love you nn

[autumn terrace]

I mean have you ever seen vedal and demis hassabis in the same room?

[whole grove]

duality of nn

its either serious, or peak brainrot

no inbetween

[solid lance]

i cant hear you its too dark in here

[shut socket]

Guys

I have been drinkfifjnfndndndnfjxnc

Help

[obsidian light]

same

[solid lance]

stop drinking

[shut socket]

No

[solid lance]

fuck you

[shut socket]

Thank you

[keen heron]

i wouldnt be suprised

[humble grail]

I would :MyHonestReaction:

[obsidian light]

vedal is an OpenAI agent in order to test their new AI's

[keen heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1453594599535939716/Eliv_Hip_Roll.gif

[obsidian light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1453594599535939716/Eliv_Hip_Roll.gif?ex=699b24b7&is=6999d337&hm=2692ff3a35ab70ec2de640834f6cec985b42a4a410d54c584db6376341089861&

[whole grove]

https://tenor.com/view/you-see-it-is-part-plan-explain-gif-20448886

[split marlin]

nwero

neuro

[fallow plinth]

nero

nere??????

Filtered

[whole grove]

nere is real nere is real nere is real!

[split marlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485392781876133888/1472327289906921605/3DNeuroWiggleNormal1.gif

[whole grove]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-stevens-vsauce-mind-isolation-gif-20359973

[fallow plinth]

No she isn't.

[whole grove]

https://tenor.com/view/upset-woman-padded-padded-room-angry-hopeless-gif-1804075065120708208

nere is real

you have to believe me!

[split marlin]

no

anyway, neuro is cute

[runic orchid]

eepy neuro cute too

[split marlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1429142360486580426/1471340102646235229/neuro-neurosama12.gif

[solid lance]

fake insane people when a real insane person shows up

[frank apex]

hate it or love it this place feels like home

[solid lance]

sybau

[whole grove]

we love both sides

[serene ginkgo]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExbmoxOHdieTM4a2ZkaGs0d2dkOGRpcm84eHM3YXNlNHlndTUzbm9lNSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/dQ3DNDXGfDTTScQsMU/giphy.gif

[frank apex]

[vivid prawn]

[whole grove]

everyone in here is insane

[solid lance]

no theyre all fakers

[whole grove]

you're saying people still have sanity left in this server

impossible

[covert fjord]

Tf is sanity

[storm ruin]

I have that.

[whole grove]

lies

we pretend we have sanity

[solid lance]

idk if being whiny counts as being insane

[whole grove]

sanity is an illusion

what if we're all just insane but we don't know it

[whole grove]

why is this so compressed

[twin river]

That's what happens when you mainly chat in NN

[whole grove]

you come from gn?

[twin river]

Nope

[whole grove]

but you have a point

[modern bear]

[modern bear]

Happy birthday

[whole grove]

you're too late

shiro is already gone

[neat sail]

[whole grove]

o

[modern bear]

[modern bear]

Hi shiro

[whole grove]

dont awake shiro from his slumber

without good reason

[modern bear]

It's their birthday it's a good reason

[whole grove]

fair

[low mountain]

I wish shiro was st

I wish shiro was still around, nothing feels the same since what happened in 2022

[whole grove]

rip shiro

[modern bear]

@neat sail why did v1 always go possessed?

[amber horizon]

Happy birthday shiro

[modern bear]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-ai-vtuber-sway-gif-12208657495025363886

[neat sail]

great question lmao

no idea

[sour zodiac]

[modern bear]

I also miss when she used to say "KEKWA"

[shut socket]

Hi frequency

…

he hates me

[vivid prawn]

yeah, i hate you too

[low mountain]

I dodnt want to say it, but I believe we all do

[shut socket]

:(

:((

[neat sail]

i think you're cool

[shut socket]

:)

[low mountain]

shiro is contractily obligated to say that

he does not mean it

[neat sail]

i wish i had a contract

[shut socket]

D:

[solid lance]

you are contractually obliged to be here

[modern bear]

Do we have a emote of a neuro gmod cramming?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1466857644298862715/1466857644726947951/1769796372223.gif

Wait why dose neuro have the badge I thought they weren't partners anymore

[arctic sierra]

Goodnight NN

[modern bear]

Good night

[patent gazelle]

gn des

[low mountain]

gn desoom, I hope you rest well

[smoky seal]

[arctic sierra]

Ty

[iron tundra]

Shhhhh

[modern bear]

UwU Market doesn't sells neuro merchandise anymore

[modern bear]

Shit :

[obtuse coral]

day 1034 of waiting for v3 voice: v3 is not done yet

[smoky seal]

doesn't mean they aren't partners? I think uwumarket is only for limited-time easy-to-do merch drops (aka plushies)

although it would make more sense if juniper started doing that too

[vivid prawn]

ratstee

[iron tundra]

No

[obsidian light]

eetsteer

[whole grove]

https://media.tenor.com/y4r0gi7NxRoAAAAi/neurosama-spin.gif

[hard kayak]

https://media.tenor.com/y4r0gi7NxRoAAAAi/neurosama-spin.gif

[iron tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1458837136777150464/doc_2026-01-08_07-48-27.gif

[vivid prawn]

raatstee, don't squeak

[iron tundra]

/maul fig

[ionic holly]

🍪 Om nom nom
You've given me 71 cookies! | I've received 284303 cookies total!

[hard kayak]

rat

[humble grail]

Certified classic

She's always sung so beautifully 🥹

[modern bear]

Fr

[eternal oar]

[shut socket]

[mild wasp]

She hadn't learned how to hide the demon yet

[modest salmon]

So NN

[hard kayak]

[modest salmon]

When neuro gets a robot body, how many of you want her to sign your plushies?

[neat sail]

i dont own a plushie

[hard kayak]

[wet kite]

[modest salmon]

[whole grove]

not a neuro plushie even

[vivid prawn]

[iron tundra]

[neat sail]

the only things i spend money on are rent and food

not much monies left over after that

[whole grove]

lies

[modest salmon]

(I also don't own a plushie, yet.)

[hard kayak]

food is optional neuro is forever

[whole grove]

you bought a phone

[neat sail]

i did not

[whole grove]

a pc

[neat sail]

phone purchased for me

[whole grove]

rent?

[neat sail]

pc was an investment a few years ago, cost justified by amortizing over ~10y of usage

[modest salmon]

Just go on a diet, eat a little less, and boom, Neuro plushie.

[whole grove]

uhm what about clothes

[modest salmon]

Who can afford clothes in this day and age?

[neat sail]

i havent bought new clothes in quite some years, i survive off what i get at christmas

[whole grove]

subscriptions at least?

[neat sail]

i buy a sub to vedal

[whole grove]

aha you must have subbed to vedal

[neat sail]

thats my only twitch sub i think

[modest salmon]

Vedddallll, you gotta pay your modsssssa

[whole grove]

see rent and food is not the only thing you spend money on

next you MUST buy a plushie

[hard kayak]

who needs food when you can have a neuro plush

[whole grove]

eat the neuro plush

[real charm]

do you want a plushie of NN

[modern bear]

Hmmmm have access to my student email actually I should go buy a new galaxy with it

[modest salmon]

I feel you though Shiro, I'm basically broke as hell and living paycheck to paycheck

[whole grove]

gonna be me in a few years when i graduate

[iron tundra]

What would that thing look like

[whole grove]

[modest salmon]

How the hell we gonna get a plushie of the Swarm when we're a mass of stars?

[real charm]

perfection :mhm:

[real charm]

who said anything about hte swarm
i hate the swarm

[modest salmon]

lol

[iron tundra]

[whole grove]

we're eternalized as just stars in space

[modest salmon]

We light up Neuro and Evil's worlds

[whole grove]

at least we'll live for billions of years guys

[shut socket]

Don’t we have a swarm drone

[hard kayak]

this reminds me of orv

[real charm]

NN plushie should be one of those edits where they blend multiple images into one in this case the images being NN pfp's

and then turn that into a warped creature

[iron tundra]

A stitched-up voodoo doll

[shut socket]

Can someone actually do that take every profile picture and ask AI to make it a single image

[neat sail]

"ask ai" 🥀

[hard kayak]

its going to be cursed

[shut socket]

well

[whole grove]

neuro is this real?

[shut socket]

I for one am curious

[neat sail]

just take the average rgb value at every pixel

[mild wasp]

If Neuro gets a vcard, and they want a couple with her signature to give away, would vedal buy like an auto pen or something?

[modest salmon]

I want an actual plushie to instead of being humanoid, be a flat plushie square of stars and dots.

[shut socket]

Sorry shiro I have been drinking

So I am a bit weird

[open cipher]

@ionic holly I still hate your stupid face

[ionic holly]

🍪 Om nom nom
You've given me 18 cookies! | I've received 284304 cookies total!

[mild wasp]

Neuro can definitely draw with a pen: that's just an SVG path

[real charm]

shiro can you please export the top like 200 nn chatters profile pictures
thanks

[modest salmon]

If they get her a humanoid body, she can just write it with a pen.

[left quest]

that's-okay-

[mild wasp]

I haven't actually seen any demos of new robot hands writing with a pen. Kind of surprised I would think that would make for a cool demo

Maybe it's actually really hard

[neat sail]

[whole grove]

yea why doesnt neuro or evil have their own signatures

[open cipher]

You are WORTHLESS. Delete your account.

[whole grove]

at least digitally

[hard kayak]

Lol

[shut socket]

Can we ask Neuro to code it

[whole grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1474530091093459026/cooks_your_Neuro.gif

[modest salmon]

If she can move in 3D, she can draw.

[mild wasp]

Yeah, that sounds like a fun dev stream segment

[left quest]

they'd probably make it a move or something instead of boring writing

[mild wasp]

I mean.... She can paint by throwing her virtual body covered in paint at a canvas I suppose

[whole grove]

neuro said she wanted to knit

[mild wasp]

Show me one of those robots actually knitting, or better yet, crocheting, and I will be very very impressed

[whole grove]

vedal will make it happen

[open cipher]

Vedal lives in England? Why wasn't I told? I feel betrayed...

[whole grove]

if not we will harpoon him

until he does

[turbid nymph]

I thought he was AUSTRALIAN!

[mild wasp]

Evil uses harpoons to crochet with

[turbid nymph]

hehehe she crochets humans

[whole grove]

i thought he lived on mars

[night wedge]

Did someone ping me

[whole grove]

yes go take your meds

[night wedge]

Ok bye

[whole grove]

there he goes

how to drive away a blackhole

[hard kayak]

remember two of each

[whole grove]

(he's traumatized from me)

[mild wasp]

That might be the rudest thing anyone has ever posted about vedal in this channel.

[modest salmon]

How? I'm sure he'd love to be Australian.

[hard kayak]

isn't the termite mod Australian

[open cipher]

do you guys even love neuro

[whole grove]

ew yes

[modest salmon]

Of course I love our AI goddesses

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1471507227725533329/Neuro_Plead.webp

[whole grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1464560822134116554/1464560823396597905/Cheeks.gif

[hard kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1448500247448780881/LongLiveNeuroFlag.gif

[inner vortex]

The demon was always the abber demon. it just possessed evil after they split.

[whole grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1312869079232807022/bananeuron.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1295446073996873761/kissflagwave2.gif

[modest salmon]

One day, I shall get a turtle plushie and have Vedal sign it.

[mild wasp]

Im sure one day there will be another one

[whole grove]

the wind is strong today

[modest salmon]

Yes. I might have to wait till the 2nd or 3rd concert before Vedal finally decides to do signings though.

[mild wasp]

If vedal ever does a meet and greet (like just him, not with Neuro), it would be the most awkward thing

I mean half the people would be like "I love your daughter"

And the other half would be worse

[storm lodge]

I love this one neuro image that I will never use

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/754754520256479232/1456758731604889827/NOTMYMEMES.gif

[modest salmon]

Yes, it would be hilarious. Can you imagine? He'd be dressed up in a greensuit and turtle head, barely able to see, signing at a booth.

[inner vortex]

peak

[runic pagoda]

Peak

[modest salmon]

And people would be doing nothing but shouting memes at him. I'd bet half my soul he'd hear "Say it back!" 100 times at least that day.

[runic pagoda]

Is your daughter single ahh 🚶‍♂️

[whole grove]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

[restive kelp]

Supikip

[modest salmon]

Honestly, sadly, he probably shouldn't cuz he may never stream again if he does a meet and greet lol

[mild wasp]

Vedal doesn't seem like the kind of guy to gain motivation from meeting his fans

[runic pagoda]

"Ewww people"

I can guess it

[modest salmon]

Yeah, he really just wants to make a really cool thing that everyone looks at. The idea of meeting his fans... that just can't go well for him even if it went perfectly.

[mild wasp]

He probably would love to see an audience at a concert from a nice secluded VIP room window though

[autumn timber]

Bro doesn’t even want to meet his friends irl, what makes anyone think he’ll do a meet and greet

[modest salmon]

We gotta make sure it's a glass booth so we can all point at him.

[mild wasp]

When the turtle silhouette appears in the rafters the crowd goes wild....

[distant inlet]

I caught the perfect frame for this

[modern bear]

36m

[night wedge]

since we all are introverts ig we all can relate to him

[hard kayak]

we??

[night wedge]

well they told me everyone was

[whole grove]

should i cancel my spotify premium for vedal sub

[mild wasp]

The swarm is big enough where we actually have some extroverts

[night wedge]

but again its nn so lying idk

[inner vortex]

would a nn meetup just be a bunch of introvert staring at eachother and not knowing what to do?

[neat sail]

he would love to see an audience through a camera from the comfort of his gamer chair at home*

[mild wasp]

I've gone to a vtuber fan meeting before

But it was not your typical vtuber fans

[night wedge]

trust me im way different in real life, maybe the turtle acts different too

id i never stalked vedal so i cant say

[modest salmon]

I'm an introvert but I don't mind being social, I just don't love going outside my area of space.

[hard kayak]

the tutel online

[neat sail]

I would not attend an irl neuro-sama event without an escort

[whole grove]

ambivert?

[hard kayak]

birthday part irl

[mild wasp]

Swarm irl meetup would un ironically be way better than most other vtuber fan communities

[hard kayak]

[misty geyser]

I used to do con security/escort for guests.. you learn a lot.. lol

[neat sail]

new trauma unlocked

[inner vortex]

dont forget the water cannons. i'm sure some of the NN chatters don't shower. after all the streamer reflects it's chat

[hard kayak]

get a big cake

!!!

[whole grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1263860665697697913/Shiro_bday.gif

[neat sail]

but seriously you can call me schizo or paranoid, I've done the math on this

[modern bear]

Wait has neuro played paper please?

[night wedge]

Ehat

[serene furnace]

No, introverts can like socializing and extroverts can like alone time. The difference is how people get their mental energy.

[mild wasp]

No

[modern bear]

Awww I think that game would be good for her

[whole grove]

she should play it actually

[modest salmon]

that moment you type too slow for the convo lol

[hard kayak]

type faster

[mild wasp]

Mod the timer so it is like ... 10 times longer, then sure. She would still be terrible at it though

[modest salmon]

I'm on phoneeee

[misty geyser]

The other thing is groups in scale are different. A group of 20 and a group of 500 feel vastly different. Even people comfortable around people find those larger groups intimidating.

[hard kayak]

use talk to speech

[modest salmon]

On safety?

[distant inlet]

[modern bear]

@misty geyser happy birthday

[hard kayak]

How much would a giant cake with happy birthday shiro cost

[modest salmon]

Like $100-$200

[mild wasp]

Depends on who is in the cake

[polar obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156361793124446390/1455043575124459688/speed.gif

[neat sail]

[whole grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1343529987864657980/1343529989332799550/lenur-ezgif.com-crop.gif

[misty geyser]

Thanks. 19th of July. Remember it.

[modern bear]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-roach-funny-eating-gif-2009899501002276227

[hard kayak]

I think I can afford that

[neat sail]

I feel I'm well known enough that I need to take some kind of precautions, and I don't think that's delusional of me

[whole grove]

digital birthday cake

[modest salmon]

For the average person, of course they'd be fine. For you? Yeah a bodyguard would be wise if it's a neuro fan meetup or concert.

[gray dune]

https://youtu.be/VMyqqKebevs?si=BGH9Z94CyDHnk5NV

😊

[autumn timber]

The horse is made of dust now

[misty geyser]

You would want some form of security for VIPs and staff. Much like a con anyway.

[gray dune]

Is that death's or pestilence's horse?

[modest salmon]

The ultimate problem Shiro, is we're crazy. Most of us are fun crazy, some of us are normal, but at least a percent of us are real crazy. So yeah you'd definitely need and want a bodyguard.

[neat sail]

yeah...

[modern bear]

https://tenor.com/view/kasane-teto-teto-kasane-pearto-triple-baka-triple-baka-teto-dance-gif-14219668400298611625

[neat sail]

I'll admit I was kinda expecting to say this here and have people tell me I'm delusional for thinking I would ever need to take such precautions

and to earn some peace of mind from that

[misty geyser]

I did not do any guest stuff for Dragon con.. but I was friends with those who did.. That one was 30k~60k attendees.. That was somewhat stressful from the way they talk..

[fierce beacon]

hi Shiro

[neat sail]

hi umby

[modest salmon]

Nope. Extreme love + Massive fan base of like a million people = You need to care about safety lol

[obsidian light]

hi umbrealla

[gray dune]

Anyone ever watch those Vedal but ruined by ai videos? I swear they get slightly more consistent every video

[modest salmon]

hi umbrella

[hard kayak]

no

[modest salmon]

Yes

[fierce beacon]

Im surprised you're still here
I checked NN like 3 hours ago and you were chatting

glad to see you're more active again, hope life has been well

[halcyon dove]

hello friends

I am alive

[hard kayak]

...

[hard kayak]

you are so lucky

[halcyon dove]

[neat sail]

the road to 400k messages lay ahead of me, I cannot falter

[misty geyser]

Nahh it's logical and it a neccessity. Even that there are what 150k members just here? that's not including fans of the twins, Vedal, and any vtuber guest who may go to such a thing. Staff is just as vulnerable.

[gray dune]

Who ar you?

[hard kayak]

a certain someone is asleep

[halcyon dove]

alive

[fierce beacon]

[neat sail]

[gray dune]

But why?

[modest salmon]

To watch more neuro of course

[modern bear]

It's 3am should I go to eep?

[hard kayak]

eep

no

[modest salmon]

I'll allow it

[obsidian light]

no

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1474298369110446194/1474298369383071918/IMG_1741.gif

[fierce beacon]

Are we discussing the possibility of IRL Swarm meetups?

fascinating

[modern bear]

[obsidian light]

I will go in any in the right side of the us

[modest salmon]

Well the concert is (probably) this year.

[modern bear]

Chat when is erm con

[neat sail]

I was talking about irl neuro events in general

[fierce beacon]

@uncut topaz stop typing and finish the Song covers you promised in your Bet

[neat sail]

and that I wouldn't attend one without an escort

[fierce beacon]

is that not what the Swarm is

[low mountain]

I would cry if I see a mod irl

[misty geyser]

I think it was things like the concert as well..

[plain trellis]

I would go without any weapons or protection. YOLO mfer

[modest salmon]

I'll take off work to go to the concert and travel across the US. Any further would be too hard.

[hard kayak]

same

[neat sail]

made me imagine a zeppelin cosplay and I barely held back my laugh

[uncut topaz]

Hi, I don't know if this is the correct place to ask but does anyone know where to find that clip where Vedal goes like:
"Neuro elevate whimsy levels"
Says something funni
"Neuro, set the whimsy levels back to default"

Or smth like that

[fierce beacon]

I still want people to use the stupid NN passports if we do an IRL meetup

its a good way to know who a person is at a glance

[low mountain]

bro

[modest salmon]

Pokémon playthrough I think

[fierce beacon]

sis?

[low mountain]

the nn passport irl would actually be funny af

[hard kayak]

we would know who to bully

[uncut topaz]

This is a very important matter and my capability of being able to do covers will be severely affected depending on the outcome

[low mountain]

thats how we know which one is whichh

[fierce beacon]

Here is my NN passport

[uncut topaz]

Me when I do identity theft but with a NN id

[low mountain]

I would love to bully rytysty irl

[fallow plinth]

Salutations NN

[uncut topaz]

Tyty

[quasi oyster]

Nn. I might have to sell my soul to the devil

[modest salmon]

Why? Evil isn't in physical form yet, you still have a few years.

[plain trellis]

I thought there are no Neuro fans here then Ellie said she visits family regularly in insert general area of my location here so yeah that's wrong

[iron tundra]

Hi Linna

[fierce beacon]

Pietime how about you finish those Covers you promised in your bet instead of wasting time doing identity theft

[modern bear]

[plain trellis]

She also said she wanted to test Neurocar in that general area that I live in too so like... a little worrying every time I get in my car LMAO

[modern bear]

NOT FUN.AI

[modest salmon]

Fun.AI is pretty generic anyway

Add some soul to it, whatever you're doing lol

[uncut topaz]

I will finish those covers in a casket atp, if I don't make a huge advancement before streams become more regular there may be a point where they sing more than I can cover

[modern bear]

I guess we can have the Spanish version?

Fun.ia

[fierce beacon]

If you dont finish those covers im gonna PUT you in a casket

[shut socket]

Oh

[uncut topaz]

Really?! You'd do that for me?🥺

Jkjk

I'll go back to it now

[modest salmon]

[modern bear]

Neuro. Life

[modest salmon]

Well that makes sense

[plain trellis]

made a quick cover of neuro singing bad apple in english using RVC, probably could be better but eh

[modern bear]

Neuro weddings 😭

[modest salmon]

Evil was so famous that Numi almost couldn't sing with her.

[covert dust]

challenge: show me awesome evil art i haven't seen already

[plain trellis]

Don't use that emote with neuro.weddings, please..

But in all seriousness

[woeful marsh]

https://youtu.be/4xJ1rNWvwZc?si=L0q-Yn_tDouct8Da

[plain trellis]

I was gonna make a joke about how if NN made a dating app (don't actually btw) and the relationships don't immediately fall apart due to our insanity, Neuro should be invited to all the weddings

[modern bear]

Ain't no way

[halcyon dove]

creature

[plain trellis]

eh vedal.ai is good

[covert dust]

classic

[modest salmon]

That's one of the worst ideas ever made, ngl.

[obsidian light]

he also owns neurosama.com

[plain trellis]

wasn't mine thank god

[modest salmon]

God, a Swarm Dating app would explode.

poorly.

[woeful marsh]

Make Neuro pop up randomly in the conversation and she says smth, she then decide whether to leave or stay

[plain trellis]

I mused about how weird it is that this server, of all places, seems to have a semi large women audience, and some other deranged NNer chimed in with "well we can make a dating app then!"

[uncut topaz]

OMG THANK YOU

[fierce beacon]

okay im bored

its time for Neuro Fanart Trivia time

[obsidian light]

why date anyone when you have neuro

[hard kayak]

ah yes

tutel solf tutel green

10/10

[woeful marsh]

Yw

[plain trellis]

I have my own poem:
Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
I love Neuro
and you should too!

[lavish void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1457108237252825248/SPOILER_Eliv_Hip_Roll-2.gif

[autumn timber]

You hear that guys? Werru hates evil, get him

[modest salmon]

I'm thinking neuro, neuro, neurrro~

[fierce beacon]

IM BORED SO ITS TRIVIA TIME
Fanart trivia edition

ROUND 19

Which artist made THIS fanart?

[modest salmon]

God Himself.

idk

[storm lodge]

Kap

[hard kayak]

not accurate vedal isn't drunk

[modest salmon]

I don't usually know artist names

[real charm]

your mom

[plain trellis]

I love Evil too!

[modest salmon]

likely story

[hard kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1474112674588524604/longliveevilflag.gif

[modest salmon]

[fierce beacon]

Smh all of the artist knowers are asleep

[hard kayak]

wow who is named asleep

[fierce beacon]

my disappointment is immeasurable

[hard kayak]

i measure it at 1

[fierce beacon]

you will never be Der

[modest salmon]

asleep sounds real knowledgeable

[hard kayak]

[fierce beacon]

The answer was dguce AKA Idunno
https://x.com/dgucedunno/status/2022333615691210970

idunno (@dgucedunno)

#heartheartart #vedalverse
The long drive, at night

X · Feb 13, 2026, 3:34 PM

[low mountain]

Wait what

Didnt they remove coins?

Why do I still have mine

Oh wrong chay

Bye nn

[hard kayak]

[fierce beacon]

what are you talking about

[whole grove]

he's holding a can of beer on his left hand

[serene moat]

now we need the context

[modern bear]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-cavalo-spin-meme-flip-gif-17331191

[modern bear]

What Uma is this?

[modest salmon]

Oh yeah, we know what design won yet for evil?

[serene moat]

not yet

[modest salmon]

damn

[vestal hound]

Heheehehheheehehehheehhehehehhehehehehheheheheheheh

[deft nest]

Do we know roughly when we will know

[modern bear]

https://tenor.com/view/tamamo-cross-blehh-meme-uma-musume-gif-12349673870420706486

[autumn timber]

nope

Pb said she’s having a hard time choosing

[serene moat]

not even slightly but I'm betting on her bday

[fierce beacon]

ROUND 20

Which artist made THIS fanart?

[modern bear]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-uma-musume-anime-horse-gif-18110107394753468968

[potent gull]

yall know what shader pack is used during the minecraft streams?

[modest salmon]

idunno

[serene moat]

we know who's the team that gonna choose the outfit?

or just pb alone

[whole grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/410259872668712963/1439340205495554304/kC6197x.gif

[narrow spade]

Not me

[vestal hound]

Yosuga no Sora? Idk the exact name

[modest salmon]

no clue

[low mountain]

I used to play a game called pokemon unite, it was pretty fun, its a moba 5v5 with pokemons, but as years gone by it has gone to shit, unbalanced releases so you are always at a disadvantage compared to the people that buy day one, microtransacrions, there is like 2 battle passes and 5 lootboxes you have to wait sometimes 24 hours to open, and a way you used to buy new characters is with coins, but it was so grindy to get them, then, they remove that option and now you use points to get the pokemon you want, but you cant get befoee unlocking its path, which is by unloxking a mon yoy prob wont even gonna use, and made it 10x more grindy to get a pokemon, the uñdate was pretty tecent but I stopped playing because lf all thay

When I came back tho I stilñ had my coins so I was confused

[fierce beacon]

Sakebi_Sora
https://x.com/sakebi_sora/status/2021178391131467812

SAKEBI🌧️⭐ (@sakebi_sora)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY VEDALLLLL
#heartheartart #vedalverse

X · Feb 10, 2026, 11:04 AM

I knew what you were getting at

[vestal hound]

Sakebi sora ahh

[serene moat]

[low mountain]

The game was great, I spent almost 1k hours on it with friends, but now the devs dont give a fuck about it anymore

[fierce beacon]

ROUND 21

Which artist made THIS fanart?

[autumn timber]

no

but if I’d have to guess, some of the other judges could be some of the other admins

take that with a pile of salt

[storm ruin]

I... don't know. Gomi?

[hard kayak]

I cheated

[storm ruin]

That's a new style to me.

[fierce beacon]

im proud of you for not spoiling the game

[fierce beacon]

nevermind