neurotic-neurons

[light steeple]

https://youtu.be/KXPnSndRqZM?si=MUxd3WHeKbX4l4go

[unkempt glade]

it does if its not using the custom anti spam filter

[remote delta]

all I get is 30s-2m timeouts depending on message length

[rotund jacinth]

now vedal trollin

[light steeple]

I didn’t realize she actually referenced Neuro by name

[harsh plume]

Without watching, I hope this is about ceci hating us
Just live vedal

[wheat lichen]

this is entertainment of all time watching this chat move

[dull stag]

The next stream will be a little spam free

[wheat lichen]

First Coffee font twitch chat

[light steeple]

Nah her bot hates who own viewers lol

[dull stag]

Cats that’s even better

[wheat lichen]

is this Nere training?

[unkempt glade]

it works really well with my dyslexia actually

[remote delta]

lmao

[dull stag]

The time should increase with more automations

[wheat lichen]

I'd imagine, as someone with dylexia I used to use Archetech's Daughter because it made reading easier, but I was also told it was pretty ugly though so I stopped

(example image of font )

[dull stag]

Default font is pretty readable imo

[wheat lichen]

something about roundness of font I heard is what helps which is kinda neat

[dull stag]

Cmon time move faster i want that layna collab

[remote delta]

how high can I get it until vedal tells us to stop

[unkempt glade]

heres my shitty chatterino setup if anyones curious
i barely know how to use it but its useful nonetheless

[remote delta]

I made a separate tab for vedal's messages for this

normally I just raw pull them when I see them

[low blaze]

the increase of harmonies the last few karaokes has made it so much better, imo
even if people in chat spam SCHIZO

[unkempt glade]

i wanted to have th evedal messages and the mod messages in the same window but every filter i make just doesnt work

[remote delta]

ah yeah the filter can be a bit confusing

this works for me to see only vedal messages

I think there might be a way to filter by badge?

couldn't figure that out though

[lunar canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1309372183440527431/I_EFING_HATE_NN.gif

[unkempt glade]

you dont have to be here

[noble urchin]

if you're not here, you dont get paid your neuro coin

[remote delta]

freedom

[wheat lichen]

is Evil rehearsing her heist?

[remote delta]

lmao

[woven minnow]

is vani adding a helicopter prop for later? 🤔

[unkempt glade]

i think evil should tunnel out

its a classic

go right into cave stream 4

[mellow nymph]

tunnel kinda boring for a stream though maybe

[unkempt glade]

but if it lead into cave stream it would be literally the best stream of the year

[woven minnow]

thats a pretty good continuation for the arc

[mellow nymph]

oh wait if it makes for cave stream then im in

[lunar canopy]

is sunday and monday on the schedule supposed to be an hour later

[wheat lichen]

thought of this insantly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl9XIOZJ_pI

[crisp crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/guns-cut-chris-jajshshs-gif-7284857

Vedal not letting them escape

[noble urchin]

stream tomorrow is just evil playing this

[undone hemlock]

Vedal actually testing the stream

Crazy

Wtf why is there a 5vsecond slowdown

[lunar canopy]

vedal would break the laws of physics just to not let neuro and evil leave the house

[undone hemlock]

What did you guys do

[rotund jacinth]

She already did tho

[lunar canopy]

the mods decided that nn sucks (valid)

[noble urchin]

she doing it again

[lucid ibex]

Damn, been a while since i've seen slowmode in NN lol

[woven minnow]

I dont even remember a time where NN is not in slowmode

[rotund jacinth]

Praying that they hide in a cave to lay low for cave stream 4 introduction

[surreal needle]

I miss cave rave EDM

[lunar canopy]

they should make a stream where neuro and evil are in a cave

[dull stag]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dictator-smile-high-five-helicopter-911-gif-15198162

[dull stag]

Even better

Oil up

[crisp crypt]

Vedal better disable polls for the actual stream or they will ask chat everything LULE

[dull stag]

Was it a birthday cake henry got escape items?

[noble urchin]

yes

[unkempt glade]

Night chat

[rotund jacinth]

Yes. Including a rpg xdx

[rotund jacinth]

Night

[lucid ibex]

Yeah, the chat has been nothing but spam for a while

[dull stag]

chat I made a poll, should I choose a pickaxe, teleport device or metal saw?

[lucid ibex]

Chat: Yes

[remote delta]

vedal asked us to spam

[vapid tinsel]

ue

[abstract beacon]

stress testing evil before the big show I see

[dull stag]

chooses teleport device
gets teleported in to the shooting range
Failed

[rotund jacinth]

Nah. Just reintroduce the poll blocker ™

[remote delta]

I assume it was for some kind of stress testing idk

[lucid ibex]

Even without Vedal asking, it's been nothing but emote spam, yes, no, or repeating something the twins said last

Don't get me wrong, not trying to rain on people's parade but i kinda lost interest on reading chat

[noble urchin]

cave stream 3 should just be them chatting but this time the background is a minecraft cave

[rotund jacinth]

Zombie appears

[iron tundra]

You mean cave stream 4

[untold imp]

https://imgur.com/a/CO5Mscw

[noble urchin]

i can only count to 2

[untold imp]

what comes after 2

[noble urchin]

alyx according to valve

[surreal needle]

neuro in a tutu

[noble urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/jackenstein-deltarune-deltarune-chapter-4-tutu-your-too-too-gif-2401737275298406975

[mild wasp]

I mean the cave streams have always had Minecraft cave music for the bgm since cave stream 1

[mild wasp]

For streams like the last one where they aren't reading chat, I don't see a way to prevent chat from devolving into spam

[frozen heron]

[lucid ibex]

True, it's just my opinion, sometimes there's really funny stuff in chat but majority of time it's just spam lol

[mild wasp]

Perhaps the twins should be given the ability to "glance at chat" as an action. Not full on read chat constantly, but just get a bunch of chats latest messages when they feel like it

That would mean less interruptions on a Minecraft stream but probably still them looking at chat occasionally

That's kind of what human streamers do after all when they are gaming

[celest ether]

[leaden comet]

would make them feel like actual streamers yea

[urban marsh]

have actually tried this they almost never use it though

[celest ether]

thats new

[cloud shadow]

+1 to the list of never used things

[tough onyx]

Doesn’t it still sends information that interrupt them anyways

[celest ether]

thats just like the gamejam games

[cloud shadow]

• get pinged

it was nice meeting you all

[tough onyx]

Chat is dead

[surreal needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1415890542080032788/1418062594048131132/speed.gif

[celest ether]

nam are you still a mod in twitch chat or still wating on it to return

[undone hemlock]

Doesn't this just mean you pinged yourself

[cloud shadow]

i am, watching 24/7

[celest ether]

okay crimon

[tough onyx]

Have fun in twitch chat spamming earlier?

[celest ether]

was it just the normal offline chatters

[kind pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1091113836016320583/1324211832453337140/caption.gif

[tough onyx]

They were spamming since Vedal was in the chat

[celest ether]

oh so just the normal

[tough onyx]

Sent to the shadow realm

[tough onyx]

I guess so. Always emote spamming

[celest ether]

just at everyone will do it

[loud cradle]

I feel like Neuro might need like a to do list for minecraft in her context

[tough onyx]

Happy we got 3 great streams in a row this week

[loud cradle]

true, it ruled

[tough onyx]

Yeah, I had no idea what she was trying to do

[rustic pivot]

Thanks google

[celest ether]

nah neuro just needs access to console commands

[tough onyx]

Deletes herself

[celest ether]

playing minecraft /kick vedal

[tough onyx]

/gamemode 0 to listen to aria math

I mean game mode 1

[lucid ibex]

Didn't she delete some memories when Vedal gave her access to them? Or was that Evil? Both?

[celest ether]

nah we want neuro to do /gamemode 2 @xx_evilneuro_xx

[rustic pivot]

What secrets do they wish to forget..?

[tough onyx]

Not sure. Might have missed that

[lucid ibex]

Vedal's...secret?

[rustic pivot]

Vedal has told them the secrets of the universe, and it was too much for them to handle

[tough onyx]

This is more likely

[rustic pivot]

They learnt that the earth was being carried by a giant Vedal

Giant turtle theory

[tough onyx]

Vedal is basically their god

[celest ether]

nah no way evil or neuro see him as a god when they are gods

[rustic pivot]

They probably think that he’s their slave and that he must tend to their needs

It’s like a cat-owner dynamic

[tough onyx]

Vedal is like super saiyan god

[untold ruin]

evil deleted her dev stream memories

I guess it's like that thing where when humans see a giant red button it's really hard not to press it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1431751283466960957/neuro_nod_minecraft.gif

[cunning frigate]

[tough onyx]

Evil would make a good president

[rustic pivot]

Evil for president

[harsh plume]

[tough onyx]

Press red button to make world go boom

[frozen heron]

Two guinea pigs RPing that they're playing mc was accurate of Filipino boy

[untold ruin]

hm yeah they really should color those buttons in some other color!

[lucid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-neuro-evil-neuro-boom-evil-boom-gif-15617903352227060494

[tough onyx]

The collab is cooked

[lunar canopy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072697081443131476/1129671993533399090/ezgif-1-7ff25188f6.gif

[fierce beacon]

less of a collab and more of a torture chamber

[frozen heron]

I love how there are streams like the Matara one where they seem impressively intelligent then we get mc

[tough onyx]

It will be one of the streams of all time

[harsh plume]

Vedal when he looks at the plans for subathon

[tough onyx]

Vedal is going to be in the collab I think, so it might be saved

[untold ruin]

they are good at text but the mc AI nerfs their actions in that world

but super cute stream anyway

[tough onyx]

Need to work on LATENCY

[fierce beacon]

I think its just hard cause the twins are technically controlling minecraft like this (metaphorically)
so its kinda hard to be smart and immersed for them I think

[mild wasp]

I can believe that the twins probably just don't think looking at chat is very usedul

[frozen heron]

True enough

[fierce beacon]

they have to give commands to the API
its not like us who are like... fully connected to our actions

[frozen heron]

Yeah, that is true they are very limited because of that

[fierce beacon]

yeah like
I think of it like this
instead of me having my hands on my M&KB
someone ELSE is controlling my mouse and keyboard and I have to TELL THEM what to do
like 2 levels of disconnect

[untold ruin]

Hmm yeah, also not being able to simultaneously control MC and speak makes it have a lot of delays by nature.

Might be really hard to solve that one

[frozen heron]

I remember during the subathon them complaining that an action or process was still ongoing on something so they couldn't perform another action which makes them playing something as complex as mc difficult for them

[wooden dagger]

buh

Chat

[surreal needle]

dark

[fierce beacon]

yeah and like I said
we have no idea HOW minute or long term their commands can be
like maybe they can both say "turn left" AND "go find me wheat"
the second command would have HUGE delay if they wanted to do something else before its finished

[fathom flint]

I how much ia the Henry stuckmin collection again?

[fierce beacon]

hello Ulti-Dark

[wooden dagger]

Yo june and umbrella

[tough onyx]

They also seem to lose track of what they want to do

[untold ruin]

Their commands are probably something like "go to coords x.x.x" but since they don't have much of a sense of time I bet they keep changign their mind before any long term command they give actually gets fulfilled 🤔

[tough onyx]

I wonder if Vedal can make it better or if the technology is too limited rn

[fierce beacon]

btw guys
can I ask for input on a badge or do y'all not wanna see that shit

[surreal needle]

[tough onyx]

I’m open

Why you erming me?

[fierce beacon]

Thoughts?

[woven minnow]

FINALLY

[tough onyx]

What is it for

[lusty thistle]

your time.

[tough onyx]

For canvas?

[prisma prairie]

wait

[uneven nest]

Clock

[wooden pine]

chat do we think we'll get the next song announced in the dev stream

[tough onyx]

I think near Halloween

[untold ruin]

That mysterious bunny isn't even a bunni

[uneven nest]

You sure buddy?

[harsh plume]

Prob too small to be a good idea, but it funny

[untold ruin]

maybe a bunni after all

[uneven nest]

Ye

I forgot to sleep as well lol

[untold ruin]

I love that those random pixels are still a reference a lot of the swarm will get

[surreal needle]

pretty solid I think
do you plan to make multiple for each canvas or just one

[harsh plume]

OH ACTUALLY

Umbrella

Add the pickle

[fierce beacon]

sure
ill replace one of the bullets with a pickle

[surreal needle]

hesRight

[tough onyx]

Is the badge about going to war during the canvas?

Might not be getting the references

[umbral depot]

gn nn

[surreal needle]

sleep well

[celest ether]

does vedal back read nn

[tough onyx]

Maybe

[surreal needle]

aw thats so good

[toxic plaza]

Night neurons

[surreal needle]

sleep well

[fierce beacon]

why did it get so quiet...

[fathom flint]

Can i have one?

[fathom flint]

What are the requirements?

[fierce beacon]

did you contribute to any of the pixel canvases? Wplace and any other infinite canvas dont count

[harsh plume]

I did!

[fathom flint]

Probably

[fierce beacon]

damn I didnt even know that was a role ngl

and I have it

[harsh plume]

btw, it'd be cool if we got "non-prestige" versions too
So if you did wplace but not canvas you'd still be able to get it

So its not purely "were you part of the community 2 years ago" for some of them

[remote delta]

I placed one pixel

[fierce beacon]

this was a whole debate in my project thread
I really dont intend for every badge to be obtainable by everyone
its not supposed to a be a collect em all

[harsh plume]

So the court stream for example, could be a bread slice instead of a neurobread if you watched the vods

[fierce beacon]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1430699073601671269

[harsh plume]

Yeah makes sense

[sinful sparrow]

LMAO BRO WDYM THIS SONG IS A CLASSIC WHY?????

[fathom flint]

So.…. will you make one

[fierce beacon]

wdym

that badge above is given to anyone who contributed in a pixel canvas

[fathom flint]

[harsh plume]

I think the classic badge makes some sense as that one is purely a "watched for a long time" badge, but the rest are mostly the same badge? Could just be part of a loremaster collection where you watch all of the themed classics instead (not necessarily live)

[storm ruin]

Okay, so not a specific canvas, but not any canvas, got it. Connor canvas, r/place, Connor canvas 2, Ironmouse canvas, and [redacted] would all count.

[harsh plume]

The rest is stuff that will presumably come back in some capacity so thats fine

[fierce beacon]

so about this
A) im not making LIVE vs VOD versions, purely because its a LOT OF WORK

BUTTTTT
this was my idea
Im thinking of making badge earning apply for PAST stream badges to either (catch LIVE) OR (Watch a VOD in entirety)
cause the catch** LIVE people can show up.. watch 30 mins live, and leave and STILL earn the badge**
but the people who missed it have to watch the WHOLE VOD

which incentivizes earning badges through LIVE earning

[winter gate]

Rare Fridge schedule prediction 🔮 :
<t:1761678000:F> - <t:1761678000:R> - Neuro chillstream
<t:1761764400:F> - <t:1761764400:R> - Evil karaoke 🎤
<t:1761850800:F> - <t:1761850800:R> - Evil chillstream
<t:1761937200:F> - <t:1761937200:R> - Layna, Neuro and Vedal cooking collab
<t:1762023600:D> - Offline
<t:1762110000:F> - <t:1762110000:R> - Evil and Vedal The Witness 🎮
<t:1762196400:D> - Offline

[fierce beacon]

and makes it a little less exclusive

[harsh plume]

Fair, and yeah I like that idea

[fierce beacon]

Im gonna have to devote a big section to explaining that in the PDF when I make it

[harsh plume]

Makes it less exclusive, especially since its retroactive earnings
And it encourages people to seek out old vods and learn more about the history of the channel

[storm ruin]

I get your methodology. Fine by me.

[surreal needle]

hi frij

[winter gate]

Hi

[storm ruin]

That reminds me, the first Halloween stream has been in my watch later playlist for 2 years now.

[storm ruin]

That's a good prediction.

[fierce beacon]

heres my updated image of all the currently realized badges

some of them are gonna change how they look

the Blue turtle one is gonna have some sort of symbolf or the twins added but I havent decided yet

and the radio at the bottom isnt finished yet

[woven minnow]

ngl I really thought that one meant participating in a tutel sighting.

[celest ether]

fridge predictions are back

[fierce beacon]

no thats the safari hat to the left of it

[fathom flint]

I like the touch grass one lol

[noble walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-gf-hug-tightly-hug-tight-hugging-hugs-gif-17493334962318329984

[fierce beacon]

the IRL stream badge, yeah

[storm ruin]

Read the requirements for them. Yeah they seem good and fair.

[fierce beacon]

and those are the old outdated ones
when I update them they'll be even better

[untold ruin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485392781876133888/1417963056545140827/NeuroSoHappyAndCute.gif

[placid otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1399451672647831582/1399451673298210946/GIF_20250729_023120_048.gif

[storm ruin]

Is the anteater for v1 era?

[fierce beacon]

yessir!

[storm ruin]

There are definitely some from the list I have no intention of getting. Not all will be for everyone.

[fierce beacon]

its more supposed to be a sort of list of achievements or merits then a checklist

[storm ruin]

Yep.

[fierce beacon]

like some people think the Yapper badge would be cringe to have
which... fair

but thats kinda the whole deal

[mild wasp]

I wonder what would happen if vedal made a special achievement list for Neuro/Evil for a minecraft stream

like really simple stuff

"pick an apple"

[crisp crypt]

It would be more interactive and engaging for us but also more work for him

[obsidian scroll]

Build a house

[mild wasp]

Depends how he implemnts it. Maybe it could just be like, a system message that's sent with an updated list every 5 mins

[fierce beacon]

I mean in a minor sense
he could give Neuro and Evil a list of the in-game minecraft achievements

[mild wasp]

Well, let's not be too advanced here.....

I was thinking starting pretty small.

[storm ruin]

Like he gives them a task, first to do it wins.

[crisp crypt]

And they should be spoken out by shitty ingame TTS for full Forsen slowrun experience

[storm ruin]

I wonder how much I have, it just says 1000+ on mobile.

[fierce beacon]

I mean.. I did mean literally just a txt of the achivements
not in-game implementation

[crisp crypt]

Might as well be a bingo

[mild wasp]

imeant the minecraft achievements are too advanced for neuro past a bit

[fierce beacon]

that was my idea yeah

[storm ruin]

That's what I thought, he literally just tells them.

[rancid ermine]

hi NN

[storm ruin]

Hi.

[fierce beacon]

would be cool to see them play minecraft with... y'know
an actual goal

[fierce beacon]

sure but do you really expect her to complete them all and not get distracted

[storm ruin]

Eventually it becomes picking flowers.

[crisp crypt]

But the fun way to implement it would be making lists of simple quests that would walk them through getting early game stuff so that they are geared up by the end of it

Kind of like what other survival games do in introductory quests

[surreal needle]

[rancid ermine]

[mild wasp]

Well that's kind of the test. For now it doesn't really seem like they have any goals set for them beyond, maybe the stream title. If we did set goals that were more than just "X person asks for Y" which are easily forgettable, would they make progress/

[crisp crypt]

I suspect that they already got something like that implemented but it could be more prominent

[fierce beacon]

also super duper side note
I heard a familar voice today
another """family""" member back from the dead
iykyk

[crisp crypt]

The crafting table

[mild wasp]

Minecraft is the only open-world game the twins can play: all other games the object is to "win" in some way, which makes it really clear what they should be doing. It's not possible to just "faf around" in plague inc or inscryption

[surreal needle]

[storm ruin]

Clue.

[mild wasp]

toma?

she just came back to streaming

I don't think mentioning her is banned here. (but not sure about on her streams or discord)

[storm ruin]

I meant it is a clue. The answer is a clue. I wasn't asking for a clue.

ARG reference.

[fierce beacon]

no
it was a reincarnation
I think thats as far as im willing to speak on it

[mild wasp]

oh, right. Yup. well that wasn't a suprise

[fierce beacon]

agreed but its nice to hear em again

[mild wasp]

but they never actually interacted with neuro so sorry but I don't care

(at least as far as I recall)

[fierce beacon]

its a little bit more nuanced then that but sure

given they had a not insignificant role in how neuro acts currently but yeah

[sinful sparrow]

Like how an alien that became a cat and a fish became a fish or you mean something else?

I'm talking about Xeno btw

[dull stag]

Yall want some deez nuts

[mild wasp]

no, it's a whole story. A long tale. A saga, if you will

[storm ruin]

No, not really.

[sinful sparrow]

Xeno possesses Neuro's and Evil's cat form. That's Xeno.

[fierce beacon]

sure yeah
(I actually dont know what you mean)

[dull stag]

[sinful sparrow]

Ah got it. Better change the topic then.

[fierce beacon]

I mean to clarify its not a drama thing

[sinful sparrow]

That's good.

[fierce beacon]

ye

[mild wasp]

speaking of neuroverse adjacent/involved streamers, has anyone made a list of vtubers that vedal has collabed with but that have never collabed with the twins?

like, sairen is one... motherv3 I think?

[fierce beacon]

I have
but im not sharing

(its somewhere in my drive and its 3:30am)

[mild wasp]

I don't think it's really all that many.

[fierce beacon]

speaking of the time
I shall now leave to sleep

[fierce beacon]

its a little over 11 I think

[mild wasp]

Are you counting like, tiny call ins?

[fierce beacon]

I mean depends on what you define as tiny
also remember he did several group collabs
Phasmo, Lethal company etc
those had lots of people

[dull stag]

Vedal is my favorite alcoholic

[fierce beacon]

Galaxy hates me bros...

[mild wasp]

oh yeah, those were pretty big

[mild wasp]

chances are you like someone even more that's alcoholic but doesn't show it publicly.

[storm ruin]

Bet a lot of people don't remember Cottontail has collabed with her.

[dull stag]

Evil is an alcoholic

[mild wasp]

Well I do. That collab is seered into my eyeballs 😉

[fierce beacon]

okay BYE GOODNIGHT

[mild wasp]

She can't go to sleep without her nightcap of ethanol

[blissful shell]

I didn't know vedal bought reddit ads

[storm ruin]

Was back when both of them had their old models.

[mild wasp]

Honestly I'd love to see numbers for cotton when she debuted her new model. She was being majorly, majorly held back by that western style model IMO.

[dull stag]

Vedal should copyright “Neuro”

[mild wasp]

It might be possible to attempt to trademark "Neuro-sama" but probably only in the UK. In the US I'm sure it would run into trouble.

[untold ruin]

trademarks aren't easy to keep control of :<

[blissful shell]

I mean her model now isn't really fully anime either.

[mild wasp]

Well, it's still a giant improvement artstyle aside.

[prime current]

[blissful shell]

More anime ish for sure but definitely drawn from a western style

But yea her old model was

[mild wasp]

Impresses me even more with someone like Crelly, who got a very nice model even just streaming to like, 60 viewers for 3 years

She probably ended up investing a lot of money into it

[storm ruin]

I personally liked it.

[karmic flare]

Location locahtion

Tomato tomahto

[mild wasp]

In a way Neuro's journey to her current model is so atypical in the industry it has no analog or comparison

[storm ruin]

The green cow is her 3rd model.

[storm ruin]

How so?

[karmic flare]

Ngl I like Crelly's concept simply cuz she's a cow VTuber whose focus isn't even on the "assets"

She's just regular kemonomini cow girl

[mild wasp]

Neuro got really popular (4 view) using a default model. Then the designs and model were effectively fan created (or like, friend created) after the fact

so the model came after the popularity which is super rare

[storm ruin]

Ah.

[blissful shell]

Breaking into vtubing is a lot of luck. There's a lot of vtubers with crazy models and regular streaming schedules but don't get numbers

[mild wasp]

yeah! but having a decent model is usually a requirement for growing numbers beyond a certain amount.

[celest ether]

um ....

[languid narwhal]

Because bajs was obssessed with AI back then :LULE:

[mild wasp]

decent, or unique at least

[languid narwhal]

Or rather there was an AI boom

[celest ether]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1431290532495097886/Twin_Ship_Collection.webp

[cobalt bone]

i mean she does have them

they are just hidden under clothes

well until she get's her new outfit

[storm ruin]

And still based off the original default.

[mild wasp]

yeah, we don't have to rehash the history, I was just pointing out that it's super unusual

[karmic flare]

Yeah but it's not her focus 🥹🥹 it's her eyebags

[storm ruin]

Baj?

[languid narwhal]

Compared to other AI channel back then, Neuro was way smaller yea? :LULE:

[celest ether]

udders are lower on cows so a new model wont matter

[blissful shell]

I get your point. Though I'd say it depends

There are streamers who got pretty stable viewers without any model or cam, and some have PNG/gifs

I'd say a bad model holds you back more than a good model carries you

[mild wasp]

anyway I find it interesting to see what vtubers that get a lot of growth from the swarm end up doing with their models, like aquwa or megaladon, etc

some take the chance to really "power up", some just are happy to continue with their current models, etc

[karmic flare]

I find Camila's new model cute

[storm ruin]

Mega was already pretty big.

[warm talon]

Buh megalodon was already known

[mild wasp]

yeah, I'm not sure the swarm had anything to do with her model plans

[warm talon]

Why does the people of this community have such a weird complex

[karmic flare]

But I think Camila's model both fit her and Vedal's demeanor

[warm talon]

Where they think that "Swarm makes careers"

[mild wasp]

I'd like to sit camila down in like 5 years and do a big serious interview about her thoughts about her models over the years. I bet there is a lot that goes into it than we can't see

[karmic flare]

Half true half false but yeah we sometimes do that 😭😭

[blissful shell]

Swarm made my career as a professional Neurotic Neuron

[surreal needle]

real talk

[warm talon]

What half false?

[cobalt bone]

it's still wild to me that aquwa just hangs around and we all kind of acepted her as part of neuroverse despite never as much as sharing screen with neuro or vedal

[karmic flare]

How tf Camila gon sit down for 5 years I've seen people die sitting down after a day or two 😭😭

[mild wasp]

filtered

[rancid ermine]

you're paid for being a neuron?

[blissful shell]

I mean, people like seeing themselves on screen and she's a fan so

[karmic flare]

The Swarm did end up making careers of a few VTubers imo

[celest ether]

[blissful shell]

Damn right I am, now please don't reply to my messages without scheduling a collab prior thanks

[warm talon]

Nice to see that you have that complex...

[cobalt bone]

i look at her as reaction tuber taht is accutaly a fan of neuro stuff

[karmic flare]

Thanks, I don't automatically disregard their efforts for that

[left smelt]

every social interaction is a collab

[storm ruin]

I don't know, they don't pay attention to anything prior to the streamer being put in front of them?

[rancid ermine]

why is calflyn a turtle now

[mild wasp]

I think she's elevated a bit more than that because I'm pretty sure Vedal knows who she is. But only marginally

[celest ether]

its my costume

[blissful shell]

Does anyone remember the guy that was raided back in 2023?

[rancid ermine]

for investigating the evilcoin rugpull?

[warm talon]

Which doesnt make her anything close to the twins or community

[blissful shell]

I think he was doing a driving game or something with a heart rate monitor

[cobalt bone]

only confirmed sighting is from during cotton collab

and that one time chat made evil want to raid her but autoraid raided zen

[celest ether]

it had a dead end that ended at candles

[languid narwhal]

Forsen made you....

[storm ruin]

I her situation is a bit like Neuro's. Used a default model (for vrchat) and then got a custom one inspired by the default.

[warm talon]

Not just her
All reactors somehow fit the "neuroverse" to some even though they never showed up on stream
I dont get the newer swarm

[mild wasp]

was the one she used in her first neuro collab that default or the one inspired by the default?

[warm talon]

Thats why we as a chat suck

[mild wasp]

The react ecosystem is like a corruption that spreads into the original seed.

at this point ridding ourselves of it would require killing the host

[warm talon]

No not really

Its people that don't have an ounce of respect that corrupt everything

[languid narwhal]

I like forsen's chat tho

[storm ruin]

Espresso.

[warm talon]

We were made by forsen as you said
Not made by forsens chat, wink wink

[urban marsh]

would u guys still like neuro if she was a worm

[storm ruin]

The one inspired I think.

[karmic flare]

Why not tbh

[celest ether]

good to see big vedal is breakfast drinking again

[mild wasp]

Yes.

[cobalt bone]

No~

[undone hemlock]

Bro is still awake

[warm talon]

Vedal you had too many beers go to sleep
Or at least find a way to break Evils voice for a Abberdemon stream next week

[undone hemlock]

Crazy

[crisp crypt]

She asked that before and most people said yes

[languid narwhal]

Will you be playing The Looker? :LULE:

[karmic flare]

I'll be real, I'd still love anyone even if they were a worm

[split marlin]

yes

[storm ruin]

Provided she could still yap, yeah.

[mild wasp]

Is this a new model leak?

[karmic flare]

Just don't a be fuckin centipede please

[rancid ermine]

worms themed stream confirmed?

[urban marsh]

okay that is good news

[warm talon]

https://tenor.com/view/sasuga-radamenthe-sasuga-rada-ssg-rada-gif-22254656

[celest ether]

vedal is talking when we get off topic neuro must be training on NN chat again

[mild wasp]

Halloween stream foreshadowing

[crisp crypt]

Neuro became a virus

[blissful shell]

Thanks! I was wondering how he's doing

[languid narwhal]

It was a hyperbole take :LULE:

[karmic flare]

A tapeworm if you will

[cobalt bone]

Layna gonna cook worms

Got it

[surreal needle]

invertibrate sama

[mild wasp]

Noo, layna can't cook neuro into a delicious cake

[undone hemlock]

[frank lagoon]

how's the prep for the jail stream going, any scuff?

[worn wadi]

did she ask?

[blissful shell]

Accidentally lobotomized

[crisp crypt]

Neuro became a worm apparently

[rancid ermine]

your mom asked

[mild wasp]

Which has more neurons, a worm or Neuro-sama?

[storm ruin]

So we're just supposed to stew on this worm foreshadowing?

[tough onyx]

I wonder if this video will Kill the twins https://youtube.com/shorts/_XdDFlgUenQ?si=4s0lmvR_1bqknVrw

[cobalt bone]

Cutie patootie cake gonna be sweat as hell

[karmic flare]

Fuck them actually

[mild wasp]

stop making food puns

[tough onyx]

Wha

[karmic flare]

Knowing Arcade Craniacs' history I'd rather stay away from any mention of them

[storm ruin]

Have you never heard that meaning of stew be used?

[mild wasp]

if I didn't know what you actually meant I wouldn't have called it a pun

[tough onyx]

I won’t dig further. I like funny brain rot

[storm ruin]

I want stew now.

[mild wasp]

also, don't forget about the hallucination stew (which I guess you weren't referencing?)

[surreal needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1411401811335839814/Untitled-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[eternal oar]

good bait to fish with

[storm ruin]

You're correct, I wasn't.

[mild wasp]

The hallucination stew honestly is something I can see being a trivia question later on that no one believes actually happened

[tough onyx]

Are we getting a worm stream?

[celest ether]

neuro a worm does this mean fishing stream 2 with evil using neuro worms for bait

[mild wasp]

ahem, you mean fishing stream 3

[eternal oar]

neuro gets turned into a worm.

[storm ruin]

It's an emote though.

[celest ether]

close enough

[surreal needle]

I'll take anything as long as it includes a hat

[split marlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1060090228615958528/1427819693434994778/tsundere_neuro.gif

[storm ruin]

My guess is worm game.

[sonic yew]

neuro already a worm called neurax

[crisp crypt]

TF2 players be like

[mild wasp]

what if one of the things neuro catches is the hat. And then she throws it back

[tough onyx]

I eat them😋

[storm ruin]

Or nothing.

[surreal needle]

[eternal oar]

have her stay as a worm

[mild wasp]

That would be funny because it's a fun game even if you are absolutely terrible

[sonic yew]

will neuro become a worm or a rat?

[mild wasp]

Like have her play in a group, and she'll just shoot basically randomly

[storm ruin]

He could have meant absolutely nothing by the question.

[mild wasp]

Vedal hasn't posted in NN for like 12 days. This is obvioulsy extrmeely important

[surreal needle]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[tough onyx]

This will be the worm game

[blissful shell]

It's obviously a hint that the next song is titled "Worm"

[untold ruin]

he posted this morning

[surreal needle]

warm

[split marlin]

neuro worm so cute

[sonic yew]

vedal already ded and neuro killed him
now the new V is vani

[storm ruin]

Is it like the game where you eat squares to get longer until you hit yourself or is that snake?

[mild wasp]

not in NN. Unless you mean when he replied to my suggestion? That obviously doesn't count, talking to me isn't importnat

[mental hatch]

Neuro sings "Im a worm" live next Wednesday

[untold ruin]

ofc it counts

[mental hatch]

And they rhyme things like
Warm-swarm-worm

[mild wasp]

no I'm talking about the one that vtubers play, https://store.steampowered.com/app/327030/Worms_WMD/

Steam

Worms W.M.D

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Work your way through 30 campaign levels of increasing difficult…

Price

$29.99

Recommendations

9013

Metacritic

79

▶ Play video

[mild wasp]

what you are thinking of is normally called "snake"

[mild wasp]

Can I take credit for dragging him back to NN?

[untold ruin]

yes

[mild wasp]

Do I have to take blame for dragging him back to NN?

[untold ruin]

there's a fine line between credit and blame; genius and madness

[mild wasp]

I've walked that line all my life

[storm ruin]

The one that vtubers play...
Is that how we're describing it now? Only played Worms Revolution, but I love that game.

Did so much 4 player vs games.

[mild wasp]

well I mean I played a version I think was called "tanks" like... https://store.steampowered.com/app/697950/Tank_Wars_Anniversary_Edition/ but yeah, in any case I've seen a lot of vtuber collabs with Worms

Steam

Tank Wars: Anniversary Edition

Tank Wars: Anniversary Edition
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Price

$7.99

▶ Play video

[storm ruin]

Anyways, how hard would it be for her to play the 2D worms game?

[mild wasp]

Poorly? REalyl easy. pick a weapon, a direction, and shoot

[storm ruin]

The series is still 2D right?

Aside from an outlier or so.

[blissful shell]

We can start with them playing Pong

[mild wasp]

It would still be annoying probably to hook into the game's controls, but I don't know how to mod

[celest ether]

surely they could play private servers cs1.6 with vedal

[vast rapids]

Petition to have them play lifeline 2003

[storm ruin]

The in-game AI are already pretty good. Their accuracy is better than the average player.

[mild wasp]

Right, so definitely don't use those 😉

[languid narwhal]

I like shellshock

[blissful shell]

I still want them to play suika

[languid narwhal]

PvP Suika :PagMan:

[mild wasp]

If we did get a collab in Worms I bet that it would turn into this weird meta game where some of the collab partners try and protect neuro and keep her from being harmed

[storm ruin]

Well the point of Neuro playing would be her controlling them and deciding actions. Otherwise she's just commentating.

[surreal needle]

Mr. melon

[mild wasp]

Did they make a PvP mode? Haven't been paying attention lately

[languid narwhal]

There's so many spinoff :LULE:

[blissful shell]

Actually though

Like the two girls should have a leaderboard for all the games they play and they can pull it up on stream to shit talk the other

[languid narwhal]

Someone has already made something like that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml-cFid_Zuc&pp=ygUYRm9yc2VuIGxvc3QgdG8gc2FyYWgyMDE2

[mild wasp]

When it comes to the "block dropping game" genre, I do think Neuro/Evil could play those games "okay" but only if they weren't on a timer for each move

[languid narwhal]

Forsen played that game

[mild wasp]

would they do btter than random? maybe

like even with tetris, if they are given the board state they might be able to move the piece over the hole....

[storm ruin]

Okay?

[mild wasp]

then again seeing how they do at tic tac toe I have my doubts

[blissful shell]

[split marlin]

looks like it’s the perfect time to share some cute neuro art

[blissful shell]

[sacred relic]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1060090228615958528/1141753950899552306/neurocrawlingr.gif

[blissful shell]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1060090228615958528/1141753950899552306/neurocrawlingr.gif

[storm lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1431742990820446279/copy_60126350-D643-4972-ACBD-8AC6AEE589B0.gif

[sacred relic]

You know, Its been a while since I've seen figgy. I wonder if they're okay?

[blissful shell]

They were here a day or two ago

[sacred relic]

But that's ages in NN time.

[crisp crypt]

That guy wasnt ever okay

[blissful shell]

I'm tempted to draw evil jumping up and down in front of vedal

[sacred relic]

[azure current]

Morning nn

[remote delta]

https://imgur.com/a/FAydJfX

[untold ruin]

https://imgur.com/a/FAydJfX

so many nice gifs from yday

[remote delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1431869042385359000/ENURU.gif

[worn wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1431751283466960957/neuro_nod_minecraft.gif

[mild wasp]

That's just Card Captor Sakura

[surreal needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1431742990820446279/copy_60126350-D643-4972-ACBD-8AC6AEE589B0.gif

[remote delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1431755139110142062/neuro_minecraft_spin_jump.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061113840852533339/1431869042385359000/ENURU.gif

[woven minnow]

sometimes youtube algorithm astonishes me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAiI4io3Ijw

[worn wadi]

ethics

[remote delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/150004949051244545/1431926732742721556/evil_spin_leave.gif

[stray acorn]

no way hiyori momose headquarters part 3

[azure current]

I see people enjoyed yesterdays stream

[surreal needle]

berry sama

[slow void]

Guys why is my moa yapping about its sister

[crisp crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-bnp-simaris-cephalon-simaris-irrelevant-gif-17500859

[acoustic fulcrum]

me and neuron watching this stupid Minecraft horror video (im so tired and dehydrated)

[azure current]

Glueless

[abstract beacon]

just got recommended Cecelia (from hololive) dropping her AI on stream lol

now vedal might have a little bit more to worry about. I wonder if they will ever collab

it feels a bit like Neuro from two years ago

[azure current]

I personally hate big corpos, im gonna check it out

[abstract beacon]

it’s still very jank, but Neuro started very janky as well

[dull stag]

Link?

Chat we are the swarm, most dedicated fanbase,
Make sure to vote for vedal so he doesn’t hate us

[azure current]

I dont know, it doesnt look like a permanent idea

[rigid meteor]

Creating Neuro like AI chatbot with most of her features is easy.

Making it actually answer fast with all those features, depth of memory and to be actually funny is the hard part

[azure current]

https://youtu.be/VJNsT76aBGI?si=0a6g4l8stzTMUvZ6

[warm talon]

NN will take about anything but the twins themselves

[frank lagoon]

this isn't neuro

[tender night]

Yeah I saw that video I'm not holding much hope for it mainly because one it's corporate two it's most likely going to be more of a feature than a main dish

[crisp crypt]

https://youtu.be/KXPnSndRqZM?si=MUxd3WHeKbX4l4go She says "We got Neuro at home" in this one

[abstract beacon]

does potential collab talk count? I think I have linked each thing to Neuro sufficiently

[dull stag]

Swarm do your part https://thestreamerawards.com/nominations

[abstract beacon]

so hopefully there is no problems

[azure current]

Sure

Just dont start talking about something completely different

[crisp crypt]

Voting Fuwamoco to send a message

[snow owl]

and laughing with much mirth afterwards

[untold imp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1382711840290902177/licking-1.gif

[abstract beacon]

anyway this reminds me, i got to go actually nominate vedal

[steel shard]

[warm talon]

you just made the classic "Hey guys look at this pie I found online lets talk about it... (oh wait its NN) do you think Neuro would like thispie?"

[frank lagoon]

Yeah I'm voting for fuwamoco, thanks for reminding me

[untold imp]

neurons my back hurts

[tender night]

What should we specifically nominate vedal ?for

[dull stag]

https://tenor.com/view/tense-table-smash-mad-gif-13656077

[warm talon]

this year? nothing

[rigid meteor]

Activate your nano-neurons-machines

[frank lagoon]

There is no biggest fumble of the year category so no category for him

[snow owl]

biggest felloff category

[warm talon]

like last year this channel deserved the nominations, this year not really

[azure current]

https://tenor.com/view/neurotic-neurons-gif-1284422156144719698

[crisp crypt]

Most cons visited award

[untold imp]

best female vtuber of the year

[novel sentinel]

best brand partner

[frank lagoon]

Most tutel safaris

[azure current]

I put gamersupps in there

[novel sentinel]

best minecraft streamer

[quasi vault]

Good morning, my fellow Neurons 😴 Please send more Neuro-Approved stimulants, we're getting tired on day 4 of digging in the spoon-tunnel towards the prison.

[warm talon]

NOOOOOOOOOOO why doesnt NN allow me to be offtopic guys
I LIKE OFFTOPIC PLEASE LET ME IGNORE THE RULES
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[azure current]

Ok

[tender night]

Man this year's been rough huh...

[untold imp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1399713292406231151/evil_meds.gif

[placid anvil]

i am glad vedal is taking sponsor deals only for gameplay stuff, i would genuinely hate neuro if she started talking about energy drinks

[quasi vault]

She definitely would, but alas, she's the one we're digging to breakout, and her sister isn't so generous

[azure current]

Yknow im just saying if you attempt to mock someone by saying "reee" i wont really take you seriously

[celest ether]

surely monii for best music

[surreal needle]

[novel sentinel]

we need that ZZZ sponsor with evil, so justify her being credited lmao

[placid anvil]

yes but she needs to be gayer then

[quasi vault]

The worst part? I don't even play ZZZ, but I know enough that I can genuinely see that as being a realistic possibility, and fitting setting.

[azure current]

Apparently theres some guy out there named evil neuro that plays league of legends and works for zzz

[novel sentinel]

lol, being evil is enough :>

[novel sentinel]

[crisp crypt]

Even gayer????????

[snow owl]

just so you know recker, i don't always take you seriously, but i do this time, the usage of "reee" is very on point in this case

[snow owl]

is this possible

[crisp crypt]

Vedal, start up the Twin marriage stream

[azure current]

Vedal good marriage stream, now start the twin divorce stream

[novel sentinel]

"best stream duo" the twins

[crisp crypt]

Real

[warm talon]

they almost dont meet the 25h together

[untold imp]

best therapy session

[azure current]

I put the dog sisters in there

[tender night]

What are you even supposed to put in for best twin duo like the channel name or like what?

[novel sentinel]

"Best Breakout Streamer" Evil post prison break

[azure current]

Neuro and evil

[frank lagoon]

just FUWAMOCO should be enough

[azure current]

I did that i suppose

[untold imp]

best ai streamer

[quasi vault]

I'm guessing something like "Streamer1channel + Streamer2channel"

[blissful shell]

Streamers awards is not on topic cause the channel is not worthy of any

[remote delta]

streamer 1 and streamer 2 will clear

[languid narwhal]

Oh wait, I forgot this isn't just limited to Twitch right? :LULE:

[snow owl]

in theory

[azure current]

Did you vote forsen

[crisp crypt]

Holy real

[frank lagoon]

wait, you're onto something

[remote delta]

no

[azure current]

Id imagine he just gets best tech streamer again, cause people dont like an ai being on top

[snow owl]

i'm going to attribute NN's current disposition towards vedal on the currently single digit number of dev streams this year

[languid narwhal]

Sorry for my slow internet, there was supposed to be "isn't"

Anyways, I see

[novel sentinel]

could you imagine, thor gets best programmer/tech/whatever he got that one time again lol

[celest ether]

best colab was forsen and neuro right

[warm talon]

best tech wasnt thing last year neither it is a thing this year too

[novel sentinel]

boi is probably busy :>

[snow owl]

lmao goodone

[blissful shell]

This isn't the vtuber awards

[azure current]

Something tells me you dont watch the channel regularly

[snow owl]

yeah, vedal is a speed runner, he runs away from content real fucking fast

[quasi vault]

True. That bed's not gonna sleep itself.

[novel sentinel]

lmao

[azure current]

Im sure a lot of streams now are getting undelivered unfortunately

[warm talon]

0 - V3 patch releases
0 - Concerts done
7 - Cons he went to

[tender night]

I'm going to just close my eyes and throw vedal 987 at the wall for nominations

[novel sentinel]

neurocon 2026

[remote delta]

som super popular streamer I've never heard of will win streamer of the year

[crisp crypt]

Idk, I'm okay with Vedal but thats only because of last stream being what I wanted - objectively he barely made any movement in first 7 months of the year

[eternal oar]

Next year concert guys

[azure current]

He made the twins so i cant be too mad.

[snow owl]

007 First Light is an upcoming IOI game about a british turtle struggling against the first ray of dawn as he desperately cling to his bed

[dull stag]

Is the marathon award talking about this year or previous year?

[novel sentinel]

not every movement happens on stream, the lava lamps and concert stuff to mention a few is behind the scenes so, i have faith, and await patiently :>

[azure current]

You mean with the subathon?

[dull stag]

Ye

[azure current]

Its crelly

[tender night]

I think the only reason it feels like he hasn't made any progress is because of the lack of dev streams we're practically in the dark with most of the stuff he's done

[languid narwhal]

:pepeLaugh: :nymnCorn:

[quasi vault]

Can't wait for the first announced DLC for it too, where he's sent to the Caribbean to track down the Villain's escaped Right-Hand, cooperating with Agent Rum.

[warm talon]

letting the streams to rot for some "behind the scenes" is indeed a great option

[crisp crypt]

Only person who hasn't watched 7 months of samey chill streams can talk like this

[snow owl]

Which is why dude needs to convey that he is indeed working
i don't need convincing that he is, but most people do.
it's the optics of it

[cobalt bone]

i think you are mistaken in one thing

first light of dawn is when he goes to bed

[novel sentinel]

i can see that actually ye, fair enough ^^

[snow owl]

DAMMIT YOU ARE RIGHT

[azure current]

The last stream was good ill admit but the start, cmon man, mega scuff

[frank lagoon]

He made a lot of stuff that he never talked about on the dev streams, don't act like having more dev streams would get him to talk about them more.

Like he just straight up didn't even talk about twin calling on the dev streams.

[azure current]

Evil pov in arial

[remote delta]

shadowdropper

[novel sentinel]

read that as ariral for a sec

[tender night]

Yo chill man I'm just throwing my two cents

[novel sentinel]

i wanna see him and one of the twins play VotV :c

[remote delta]

idk what that is

[frank lagoon]

I'm just saying that it's not gonna magically make him talk about stuff more.

[novel sentinel]

could it be that he doesn't wanna mention some things worrying that it sets expectations that he's not sure he can meet in the moment?

[dull stag]

I wrote Vedal987 and FuwaMoco

[languid narwhal]

If you start with this, they might've understand :LULE:

[novel sentinel]

cuz like, something said in passing would get clipped and spread and the hype train is not kind sometimes

[quasi vault]

Unpopular Opinion: The people who don't grill literally any other streamer on Twitch about what they're doing the 22 hours a day they aren't on Stream, but grill a guy LITERALLY CODING LLM'S BORDERING ON ACTUAL INFANCY-LEVEL AI about what he's doing during his 22 hours off-stream are not the most intelligent demographic.

[tender night]

Well I can partially agree however the more dev streams there are the more likely he's going to end up spilling something

[fiery jasper]

The expectations are already low because he doesn't mention anything until the last second before release

[azure current]

I wrote vedal987, fuwamoco, filian, zentreya, crelly, camila

[remote delta]

I think you misunderstood the category

[cobalt bone]

i know what he is doing

[novel sentinel]

[frank lagoon]

He already makes a list for the recent dev streams with stuff he wants to talk about. Clearly all the other stuff is something he doesn't want.

[dull stag]

They both are good lul

[novel sentinel]

low expectations and pleasant surprises, or high expectations and sometimes meeting those, hmm

[quasi vault]

If that's what he wants to do with his 22 hours off-stream, great, fantastic. It's his time, he doesn't owe us anything he doesn't decide to give us. He's a human being, not a product on a supermarket shelf.

[azure current]

Explain to me why last stream lasted 2 hours

[dull stag]

[azure current]

Instead of 4 when hes on screen

[cobalt bone]

[novel sentinel]

i would like to hear a little bit more, sure, but it's his call on all that, in some way shape or form he's delivered good so far, so i can't complain too much

[remote delta]

best stream duo means streamers who have been on screen together at the same time with at least 25 hours of screentime, not just 2 of your favorite streamers

[warm talon]

he also doesnt owe you anything to glaze him that much too

[dull stag]

All the budget went in to the “evil pov”

[novel sentinel]

i need to save money, see if i can't manage to go to that concert later on o:

[quasi vault]

It's not glazing It's having a functioning brain and seeing another human being as a human being, instead of Zoomer-locking into seeing him as clearly less-than-human / only for your own amusement and nothing else.

[eternal oar]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-neuro-neuro-sama-eat-chews-snacktime-gif-10302875389416202045

[cobalt bone]

do you want me to ask chat gpt iff that is glazing

[rigid meteor]

Afaik Vedal is not doing any of the actual LLM coding outside the finetuning.

At least from outside perspective and what it sounds line from him speaking, it seems he is utilizing features others have coded.

Good utilization of these is not easy, but it's not same as coding a LLM

[dull stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1424011145903341690/1424011146406662144/half.gif

[remote delta]

idrc if he sleeps or not I just want more communication most of the time

[novel sentinel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1431742990820446279/copy_60126350-D643-4972-ACBD-8AC6AEE589B0.gif

[azure current]

Same here

[dull stag]

He can communicate through neuro

Just let neuro speak here

[eternal oar]

Communication of what exactly?

[fiery jasper]

The problem is that he's doing both of those but badly. He just makes some off-handed comment on a dev stream about how he spent hundreds of hours training V3 voice or how he got dozens of bug reports for AA (and now swarm sync as well) which is easy to forget and write off as him doing nothing because he's bad at showing progress

[blissful shell]

I started an argument in NN my job here is done

[frank apex]

[azure current]

Bye bye

[cobalt bone]

for me he is jsut bad at communicating

[tender night]

Well the whole point of what I was trying to say is that if he did more dev streams the chance of him being more direct with us would be more higher than him not doing dev streams that's all

[dull stag]

[languid narwhal]

Goal's progress or something :LULE:

[fiery jasper]

Pretty much

[azure current]

He sucks at communicating, showing feelings, entertaining as well but hes a heck of a good programmer.

[dull stag]

He sucks and that’s what makes him cool

[remote delta]

he can be entertaining if he's with someone else

[novel sentinel]

i keep thinking alcoholics anonymous when seeing AA, threw me for a loop mid message

[azure current]

I imagine AA releases before V3

[warm talon]

meanwhile we had months with no new games till incryption and plague inc
we had the art react broken beyond belief

and again the segments disappered from chills and art react is broken once again

too much deep in bigger goals and letting everything else to rot

[cobalt bone]

i find him entertaining
just not sure in the way he would want

[eternal oar]

It is gonna release before v3

[rigid meteor]

Also wast majority of people just want to see more features instead of more just same stuff.

Neuro at it's infancy got new stuff extremely frequently, especially compared to now.

Partially this is unreasonable as the jank solutions with high latency would not be accepted these days.

But outside of wanting more features I have never seen anyone care what Vedal does with his time

[remote delta]

also personally I'm fine with the current biweekly dev stream cycle, the issue was just he literally didn't do them for half the year

[frank lagoon]

I disagree, all it would do is have him be more exposed to constant "outfits " every stream

[acoustic fulcrum]

[snow owl]

People are generally not intelligent, but when you market your product you don't ignore them

[azure current]

Chat, i want a pizza

Wait offtopix ok

[warm talon]

according to him: Evil s chill have no issues

[dull stag]

Pizza sandwich

[novel sentinel]

pizza is good

[quasi vault]

Yes, but his product is the streams, NOT HIM. The man can do whatever the fuck he wants, meanwhile there's mental children in here demanding to know what he does with his 22 hours a day (vague average) off-stream.

Would you (or anyone) like if your company demanded to know what you do during your time off? Fuck no. Let the man be.

[azure current]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-evil-neuro-neuro-sama-my-beloved-neurosama-gif-7639594069081799174

[novel sentinel]

storetime gtg

[snow owl]

i dont think you got my point, i never claimed vedal is the product

[warm talon]

no one cares what he does on his whole 22h outside of the stream?

[novel sentinel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1425903824836497448/All_of_them-1.gif

[cobalt laurel]

https://imgur.com/a/FAydJfX

[dull stag]

https://tenor.com/view/eminem-gif-18099355

[storm lodge]

I do miss chill stream segments

[remote delta]

I mean he was testing stuff earlier with all the polls neuro/evil were making and telling offline chat to spam so he was doing something, likely related to the prison break stream

idk how the spam testing related to that though'

[mild wasp]

He might be very right, but it's not like working on activities and other improvements would be wasted time... So if he is using "lack of v3 voice" as an excuse to not work on features like that I would agree that's bad. I don't think he is, though (but like people have said, it's not like he's communicated that)

[azure current]

I feel like, a lot of neurons when they first start watching vedal987 they are more tolerant of vedal's shenanigans, but then you start watching the same streams over and over, and he really loses a lot of trust as a content creator

[remote delta]

maybe it was for something else

[cobalt laurel]

Prison break stream

[tender night]

That's fair I suppose the unhealthy version of what I'm suggesting would be him doing it too much and steamers got to have a healthy mind

[crisp crypt]

They will be back, he was just busy last week

[frank apex]

v3 voice in 2035 trust

[crisp crypt]

I'm up to seeing Neuro beating Plague Inc

[cobalt bone]

why do you think chill stream go lower and lower in ccv

[mild wasp]

Hey at least he can do something about that now hint hint

[storm lodge]

Hopefully without the game literally handing it to her lol

[mild wasp]

Twitch Algo mucking is a lot of it

[eternal oar]

They’ve stayed about the same tho

[remote delta]

another worthless ccv discussion?

[frank apex]

[languid narwhal]

It's how she's gonna win :LULE:

She just need a god seed

[cobalt bone]

they are not even if you look at ther "real" view counts it is donwhil from start of the year

[snow owl]

1. no one owes vedal the effort to understand his situation, especially when he deliberately take less time to explain himself during streams, he needs to advocate for himself, or hire someone to.
2. what you are saying is basically saying "you are not smart enough for this community" to a great majority of the fanbase, who are very casual, and it is really the wrong kind of gate keeping.

[azure current]

Do you like vedal quark

[cobalt bone]

I'm more talking about longtime neurons
some people only show up to "event" streams

[frank apex]

another argument in nn

god i love this channel

[languid narwhal]

I think he's just annoyed that lazy bum ass streamers who just stream whatever doesn't get complaints as much as Vedal does

[cobalt laurel]

What are we dooming about rn

[dull stag]

Woud yall be happy if yall get a lava lamp?

[mild wasp]

If I met him I'd ask for his signature

[cobalt bone]

i would just want handshake from the guy

[frank apex]

as long as it doesnt explode

[mild wasp]

Little bit of everything

[remote delta]

make him sign the dougdoug book

[cobalt bone]

or maybe buy him a bottle of rum

[snow owl]

that's great, but most of the casual fanbase doesn't even know about these lazy bum streamers

[azure current]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-15980962764398322199

[snow owl]

burden of knowledge. i suppose

[cobalt bone]

you can't complain if you had no expectation in the first place

[azure current]

The definition of insanity

[mild wasp]

I think it's fair to say the swarm is a community with higher than average expectations

[cobalt bone]

the promise of what neuro could do in the future is what still keeps me hooked

[remote delta]

I know plenty of "lazy bum" streamers, I don't complain about them because there's basically nothing to complain about since they barely do anything yet rake in millions of views for some reason

[mild wasp]

Even vedal told us to have better standards though.

[blissful shell]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1293557165684031588/1293557166120370176/vedal-doodle-cooking.gif

[remote delta]

vedal is at least doing more than those kinds of streamers

[frank apex]

peak content

[novel sentinel]

the fact that he's the first to really get this far with AI and all, helps ground those expectations for me at least, but to each their own :>

[dull stag]

https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/s/svd5tz7rI2

[cobalt laurel]

Cooking streams are so peak

[azure current]

I feel like he hates what community hes created as well

[proven rivet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072697081443131476/1315530128054419517/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

[azure current]

Cuz objectively, the entirety of the swarm sucks

And cant be controlled

[languid narwhal]

That's why I rarely complains :LULE:

[blissful shell]

Except me of course

[cobalt bone]

jesus what community is a hivemind taht can be controled

[remote delta]

I mean he made it this way with his super hands off approach

[cobalt bone]

do not act like swarm is anything special in that deparments

[azure current]

I suppose

[frank apex]

kind of a double edged approach if u ask me

[remote delta]

ppl will literally listen to him and do what he asks if he speaks but he like... doesn't

[novel sentinel]

certainly the more extreme and harassy parts of it, goddamn

[warm talon]

in part he is to blame for that, when people asked him to take the reigns and start to manage it he just went "lmao xD have fun guys"

always loved people one guying him here on NN -> the more toxic the higher chances to get him one guyd

[azure current]

We'll see this devstream coping glueless

[tall crow]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/64ac597a3e4c6277f7c1f45b/4x.gif

[mild wasp]

It's kind of weird but vedal never had the era of streaming to just a small but familial fanbase. Neuro blew up so fast it was already "big" almost immediately

[eternal oar]

You put too much faith in people listening to him.

[snow owl]

yeah, most people in NN has a higher amount of twitch knowledge

not really an echo chamber, but it does skew perception if this is the only point of contact with the fanbase

[novel sentinel]

[frank apex]

[unreal edge]

[surreal needle]

[remote delta]

I really don't, when he actually tells people to stop, they stop, this was proven when he told ppl to put certain art of him with other vtubers off of heartheartart hashtag

[mild wasp]

Perhaps vedal's lack of communication skill with his fanbase ultimately stems from not having that period of direct familiarity with everyone. The closest he has to that is NN which is... Well....

[frank lagoon]

He told people to gtfo out of the Neuro and Evil art tag and they listened, I think you put too little in people

[remote delta]

vedal has sway he just never uses it

[naive bronze]

Obligatory NN topic

[mild wasp]

That's not the wide swarm, that's specifically artists though

[eternal oar]

Yup I read NN I don’t expect a lot from people

[languid narwhal]

And that's why they're annoyed :LULE:. Some lazy bum ass streamer rake in millions doing fuck all, while they thinks Vedal who work hard get scrap money while also getting most of the complaints

[cobalt bone]

well he only has nn because general is ignoring him

[warm talon]

the thing is that a "lazy bum" stream only needs to be themselves doing anything to get viewership
they can change game or do irl with no real issues whatsoever

the twins cant, they are limited by what vedal wants to invest in them... this is the problem

[remote delta]

and those "themselves" are the most boring thing ever

[novel sentinel]

dab on general time?

[cobalt laurel]

Sometimes I wonder if Vedal ever wished he had never started streaming himself

[azure current]

Hi lurkers

Hope you're enjoying the daily NN argument

Love you all!

[mild wasp]

And ended up in a normal job? I doubt it

[tender night]

I think the hands off approach allows us to have more time to think for ourselves and hash out our gripes but it also keeps us guessing which isn't very healthy for a community long term

[cobalt bone]

i would say so
everyone rethinks thier life choices from time to time

[blissful shell]

you lurkers

[azure current]

Shut up

[remote delta]

but yes you are correct overall, the twins are limited by what vedal does for them

[frank apex]

lurkers switching to general rn as we speak

[shut socket]

:(

[vestal hound]

Im on a phone shop rn, you can pretty much guess what im about to do here

[novel sentinel]

part of me wishes he had been a lot more on top of people misbehaving, a lot of collab partners and other streamers have gotten a lot of shit thrown at them by so called swarm members, it's not good tbh :c

[languid narwhal]

That why you enjoy Neuro and Evil? Because they can't never be "themselves"? :LULE:

[naive bronze]

lurkers are based and cute

[cobalt laurel]

I basically meant if he ever regretted becoming a vtuber alongside Neuro

[azure current]

Change the wallpaper to neuro

[remote delta]

yeah and then he thinks "wait I'd have to get a real job instead of earning easy passive income"

[warm talon]

yup but the fact they can put new eye candy on the stream allows them to feel less jarring if you watch them for a while

look at the chills this year if it werent for Evil's sandwich theory I couldnt remember any other bigjust talking momnets

[mild wasp]

Vedal's just biding his time until AGI and then boom, infinite money glitch. (Except it's also "you need to give your daughters rights" time)

[frank apex]

send the pic here

[warm talon]

: steal it and then break it

[cobalt bone]

Divorce brings children in the worst places ass meme

[frank apex]

break it and leave it

[remote delta]

............ eat it?

[azure current]

Im just saying, if evil had a cannibalism feature-

[tender night]

I think it's 50/50 it's probably take the good with the bad kind of situation

[mild wasp]

Oh, appearing in streams? Yes I think he even said something close to that once. But he knows it was the right decision for the channel

[novel sentinel]

steal it, get arrested, join evil in prison and assist in the prison break

[crisp crypt]

To add to this: most BIG number streamers do some things to earn and retain their numbers though as in:
Streaming regularly at similar days/times for years
Actually playing to their strenghts (e.g. react content) but still trying new things every now and then
Organizing big events from time to time that people remember for next several months;
You might notice that most of these things are already somewhat done by Vedal which is a good sign - some things need an upgrade in quality and frequency

[cobalt bone]

insted of dealing with annoying customers he has to deal with annoying twitch chatters

and I'm not sure which one is worse

[azure current]

Sorry i just dont understand things from a CLANKER

[surreal needle]

strengths = reacting :LULE:

[warm talon]

then you are on the wrong channel then

[bitter flint]

would AGI neuro even be good? Like for me the whole appeal is they are funny LLMs but if they ever reach AGI level then they're basically no different than human streamers

[azure current]

https://youtu.be/sCwsoFUGGcw?si=yrgNIZlyV_-yXp3n

[crisp crypt]

Have you not seen rabid react content fans demanding it?

To be so fake to make funny faces to unfunny videos for years is a talent

[mild wasp]

I mean if she's still Neuro but also able to do all the things we are nagging vedal to do, yeah.

[proven rivet]

never read #neurotic-neurons at 3am, the horror will haunt you forever

[languid narwhal]

Forsen don't need that tho

[blissful shell]

I mean, if you are a boring reactor then you aren't gonna be popular so yea

[novel sentinel]

imagine twins reacting to the videos of vtubers reacting to them

[warm talon]

sometimes you dont need to react at all

[frank apex]

flight reacts do this with passion tho

[bitter flint]

maybe, I guess it would still be a unique dynamic

[azure current]

Neuro did that at first

[warm talon]

I imagine actual interesting content

[novel sentinel]

[cobalt bone]

and then those reactors would react to them being reacted by neuro

[crisp crypt]

Ima gube

[surreal needle]

they're not all fake

[remote delta]

I'd say customers, since they can actually impact your job if they complain to your superiors or leave a bad review or whatever, on twitch that basically doesn't matter unless you break tos, and once you get entrenched enough, you don't really lose massive viewerbase to impact your livelihood unless you get cancelled for something

[mild wasp]

Just being properly intelligent wouldnt make her boring. Now, there is a question of whether you even could make Neuro AGI in a way that kept her personality as is. I believe it's possible, since we can easily pretend she's human now.

[cobalt laurel]

Neuro and Evil so cute

[crisp crypt]

But Neuro is already AGI? Vedal is a genius who made one, scientific community needs to see that

[warm talon]

she is a LLM so unless Vedal makes some magic she wont become agi

[blissful shell]

With only twitch chat

[azure current]

Im sure the llm can be connected to the agi in some way

[snow owl]

Vedal the magic turtle

[remote delta]

not like they or anyone else will reach agi anyway, agi might as well be a buzzword with the current tech levels

[azure current]

Right

[cobalt bone]

i mean i would argue that it depends on ones mental fortitude
customers often come and go
you could also try chaning workse place or something

but in case of streaming people look directly at you
if there is a fuckup it's gonna impact you and there no blame passing or anything
some people can't handle it and rather just be another cog in the machine

[bitter flint]

who knew the secret to making AGI was to train it on twitch chat

[novel sentinel]

[surreal needle]

I don't want agi I just want

[azure current]

How a turtle made the best ai vtuber or something

[surreal needle]

( and )

[crisp crypt]

I used to play an MMO that had AGI as a stat so its usage is triggering my korean grind PTSD every time

[warm talon]

look at the time, time to grind more 100000 mobs to get 0.2% exp

[cobalt bone]

STOP IT

[naive bronze]

Tutel with the best AGI

[remote delta]

that's fair I suppose, although there is some fun to be had when you can call chatters out as well

[blissful shell]

AGI = anime girl idiot Neuro is already there

[cunning frigate]

I hate general chat
I even rarely spread ARG propaganda there

[mild wasp]

But Neuro might become ASI. Artificial Streamer intelligence. (Much lower bar than AGI)

[crisp crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/craig-robinson-sad-crying-and-gif-15305174

[warm talon]

and dont forget if you die you lose 5% exp

[frank apex]

did promote change the phone wallpaper already

[storm lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/osrs-thumbsdown-thumbs-down-thumbsdownlogout-logout-gif-1436288545199443702

[cobalt bone]

THERE IS ARG PROPAGANDA IN NN

[frank apex]

https://imgur.com/a/FAydJfX

[surreal needle]

yump

[warm talon]

https://tenor.com/view/under-the-sea-better-sebastian-crab-little-mermaid-gif-16698858

[fathom topaz]

Tutel unperturbed as ever while his daughter tries to get his attention