#neurotic-neurons
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basically means you have random explosive episodes of violence and anger
like you're just sitting in your room and BAM you WANNA KILL EVERYTHING
then you're normal again
that sounds awful
its a life ruining condition
i sorta have that, but it's really really mild
i randomly get bursts of "violent energy" like i want to punch something, but usually just clenching my fists for a second makes it go away
do you have ADHD
Bro has to contain his sealed power
neurotic neurons unqualified diagnosis session
I only ask cause I have ADHD and I get bursts of energy like that, just nto "violent" just... hyper? like I need to run or something
so it could be a similar thing
ALL ROADS 
the neurons when they are neurotic or something || (I didn't watch the stream today
)||
good image
supposedly not, but i have some symptoms of it
or maybe i do, i did get diagnosed by psych people and they told me i'm just special
(they listed that i have signs of basically every single mental disorder)


Aka they went
fuck this I dont wanna deal with this, just say he's special
good company

you're... normal...
The neuros... they're sama
it's like they're some king of... Neurotic Neurons
These puns are fucking awful 
good observation 
Maybe the real neurons were the friends we made along the way
Did things just take a weird route right now

are there normal routes in NN?
What’s the true route for NN
were you going somewhere with that? Proceed
Someone get that deltarune sound
Like, uh, hey, maybe things just took a 🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥
The weird route jingle probably plays after every message here
no it only plays when canruf speaks
example:
Did things just take a filtered route right now
fuck maple ruined my joke 
canruf too busy essaying
don't pressure me i'll poop myself
||filtoured ||



absolute creepiest part of this entire game so far so i decided to upload this audio :P
name of the audio is ominous_worse if you wanna find it in the files
#deltarune #chapter4
filturd
Ok im closing nn already
Run.

Don't look back.
https://youtu.be/dsGzh2AFSfA?t=18828 shit i misquoted
Twitch VOD of Neuro-sama for the 10th of January 2025
Japanese VODs in: https://www.youtube.com/@UCl2HE-8BIiTPChrMNKMY1BA
This is a live recording of the stream so it has all the original audio that is missing from the VODs in Twitch.
This VOD will be privated if/once Vedal uploads his version to the official VOD channel, it's only meant to be...
Did you intentionally send nothing or is my discord acting up in a new way now
Yeah I sent nothing.
Okay good
well thanks for nothing
is this arg clue
no that's t
T
hi t
what did he meant by this...
You made a Tetris! 
her don't know
No thoughts, head empty.
look's
wait this is almost a pepega
your'e aesijolmosat pepeaga
E
does that keyboard have the function keys on the bottom row or what

let it cook
market flyer 
In typical Neuro fashion, she turned the keyboard upside down
in that case the numpad is on the left side of the keyboard
still no schedule
either way, someone's getting fired from manufacturing
Yup. For left handed accountants 
oh wait do those keyboards exist
didn't account for that
I should stop

i have never considered such a keyboard
thanks I hate it
i have become too accustomed to life as a right-handed person
this world is not build for the lefties
I'm left handed and that shit confuses me
i admit that it do be easier to use if u r an accountant
I'm right handed and
at least its not a kanji keyboard
has anyone ever asked the twins if they are right or left handed? (back on topic for sure)
aren't there thousands of kanji
that keyboard is nowhere near complete if so
doesn't even have each one be a different key :SMH:
oh wait
Like you would assume AI would be ambidextrous but you never know
obviously
but its a real thing that IBM made
Wait where is the schedule
:/
blame vadul
this weeks
The Domain of The Clown.
i am obligated to send this every so often to maintain my image
get a new domain
Typewriters that can type Chinese characters were invented in the early 20th century. Written Chinese is a logographic writing system, and facilitating the use of thousands of Chinese characters requires more complex engineering than for a writing system derived from the Latin alphabet, which may require only tens of glyphs. An ordinary Chinese ...
get a new digestive tract
also I think this top section is displaying the SHIFT/ALT key variants
i would if i could 
imagine having to memorize the locations of all of these kanji
imagine using this thing in stenography
there wiill be no stream tomorrow
Speaking of streams, the schedule should be posted by now, no?
Oh look, still no schedule. time to doompost
no, it's when vedal likes to do so
i don't know how stenography works 
so blame him
okay one more thing on the note of weird keyboards
Google Japan headquarters made this for a joke but it works
Yeah, but I mean, usually it is
mods nn is 1 step away from talking about language again
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THE PEDALS
That's a drum set
it genuinely is
yeah its made out of an E-drumkit
have we lost the plot a little in here
yeah my bad
hi shiro 
Hi birthday boy
hello my fellow neuro enjoyers
who
We haven't referred to Neuro for, like, 10 minutes. What's the record?
i thought you were referring solely to me before you edited the message
i am the one true neuro enjoyer
Shiro and NN
give me an idea for what this badge design could be for
what do I put in the center
if you let me lock the channel for a day I can tell you the record for sure

shiro happy bday!
wait cant only admins unlock it tho
are you just making random designs and thinking of possible uses afterward
%lock
Channel locked
%unlock
Channel unlocked
no I can do it too

twins making any form of art
wtf


mods ban shiro
-# *screams gently*
oh huh
I remember one time Heir did it as a joke and he had to ask Vani to undo it
SHIRO I THOUGHT YOU LOVED NN SMH
Evil excitedly holding a pizza
wow sweet, discord mobile apparently clears my message box when that happens
I do love nn
📣 WATTTT?
||Placeholder Text||
this is less time than I locked the staff channel for
can ruf
they can ruf
but can they 

he is being sarcasmical; he is rather displeased
I have ideas that I make and also I just play with designs and see if they can be used
Shiro~
hello person's name I can't read for plot reasons
@fierce beacon this is why i'm violent
because you can't wan?
Is rogue rocket illegal to say here
she can on my ruf till I bil dipperly
how much ruf would a canruf ruf if a canruf could ruf can
Im finna make my name “person's name I can't read for plot reasons”
I should
Aight bet
No, I will not bet.
i cant change my name anymore i think there is a limit
imagine changing your name
imagine dragons
The Clown. has no need for such a feature
i change my name almost every day
there's no limit

⭐
server nickname banned lol

shaitan

lets c
nope
does changing small parts of your name count as changing the whole thing
is this turned 90 degrees to the right or is it turned like 10 degrees

if I were to become stuperJune_ would I forfeit some of my clout
im starting to see those weird ass IQ test I take everytime I go to a job interview
you lose everything if you change your namne or pfp
i don't want to be kiara anymore, but i don't want to lose my clout

so true; that's why I've kept the same username since like 20-fucking-13

aww, thank you~ ( ◡‿◡ *)
🍪
Om nom nom
You've given me 203 cookies! | I've received 252503 cookies total!

what would you be if you could change
buh
you might genuinely have been nickname banned 
what does that mean
it means what it sounds like
you banned from nickname changing
I changed mine earlier today with no issues
wait
are you trying to change your per-server nickname and you dont have nitro
oh okay yeah skill issue idk
is this what you're changing?
idk hard to find good pfp's
my ideal is an exhausted anime girl smiling
something like this 
then fucked up
(I don't have nitro either)
idk
cute evil
You

i
my proudest edit
the original looked like this:
also cute evil
was chat today as bad as we thought
-likes exhausted anime girls
-uses kiara, the most hyper girl in her gen

no it was fine
im so dumb
no
now i get why
Why then
when
What
there is hope for this community

who
i saw it already dont remember me smh
is in art too
its so weird to see maple with the
thing still
damn
i'm on mobile which still doesn't show that icon
this fandom being full of artists is a blessing and a curse sometimes art makes me cry sadge
thanks, Discord
ey i really like my hyper anime girls as well
The Clown.

okay im gonna go eat and stuff
dont like.. die or whatever
@tulip jay you're in charge while im gone
what are u eating
Have a good meal
@tulip jay put me in charge 
Homemade italian sausage and pasta

I joined too late to see Anny live, but I have seen the clips, she will be greatly missed in the community
what if i block mods so they dont ban me
ban the mods before they ban you
Thats what I did but I think you still get banned if you get too many warnings 
okay The Clown didnt respond to me so @real charm now you're in charge while im gone
okay I go eat now
it does get scarier warn after warn

in charge of what
NN

my oshi is so silly
wish i was there when v1 neuro came out and vedal actually programmed
hi dougdoug guy
as the one appointed to be in charge by non dubious means
i command you all to clean your room :evilOwOA:
next year, what if vedal made an AI pet that interacts with neuro
you should do it for me
that can be fun or having interactive elements
I refuse, im going to touch grass now
what do i get in retunr
Like a duck ?
ok Rohan Kishibe
that sounds like too much fun vedal would never do that
maybe but she could like teach it stuff
NN could bet how long the duck will survive 
the new neuro model comes out and the duck is fucking gone
people will be 30x times more mad than when she forgot her fishing hat
the new model duck sama
quack sama
reminds me of those relaxing music with random interruptions
Well, the duck and frog hat were Neuro's choice
🦆: quack
: sybau
I’m new
yeah like that so when neuro is in a topic the duck tries timing
the most painful merch for vedal is a glass tube with plasma chosen by himself
thats right i hate fun
You’ll fit right in
To watching Neuro streams
petition to make my merch idea reality: a neurobread long pillow
do you like my image maple

ok



i wish i had that look around neuro emoji

I wish I could eat a nurrito
no not tha tone, still very cute though! i love the minecraft streams
just make one yourself take this : 
Mods we need a cleanup, Mods! 
Hey guys, guess what?
||Neuro||
Ew.
banana
can i call you ramon?
uh ok
i miss turtle safari
I love the cat slippers
hope vedal returns from the con soon if he went there
oh right I said something important in live chat earlier I should forward it here
I love the whole gif
Neat.
oh shit, it's actually going to release?
idk that's what the steam page says

In my Neuro and Evil playlist I just had “I’ll let the world burn” followed by “As the world caves in”… dang
Like evil launched the nukes cuz… content I guess, then she realized ah frick that was a bad idea
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Headlights, your Mustang witnessed as we're eye to eye Tell me why, your lack of intuition burns me white Only you can make me burn just like the sun Only you can piece me back to one No matter what you do, I'll stay This isn't up to you today It hasn't always been this way I've got a lot to prove today Oh I'll never go I'll stay I wanna hold you close Today I won't let you go This way Come on, let's give 'em a show Today Roll the dice Let's see how far you'll push my nerves this time Heavy sigh I always lose when you apologize Only you can make me burn just like the sun Only you can fix me when I'm undone No matter what you do, I'll stay This isn't up to you today It hasn't always been this way I've got a lot to prove today I'll stay Today This way Today Even if you let me go... I'll stay I want hold you close... Today I want to keep feeling... This way I want to keep loving, and loving... Today No matter what you do, I'll stay This isn't up to you today It hasn't always been this way I've got a lot to prove today Headlights, your Mustang witnessed me embrace you tight Hazy eyes, I think I'll pass out in your arms tonight
oh shoooo 3am i gotta sleep
Night.

this next gif will be on topic i swear
not on topic
yes its a blimp
like the one you will receive
scary

Moooods raise the slow mode
no
mooods make evil a real person

let mods sleep
mods ban the person above me
Damn chat you're crazy today...
i miss clowns
tf you mean she is real
i'm literally laying on the couch next to her
@real charm wtf
I left you in charge for like 15 mins and NN started spamming copypastas
blame shiro
also why we so off topic
do you think vedal predicted balatro with these outfits
I'm looking at you @oak panther
Le range has been fixed, NeuroSynth and EvilSynth can now sing up to C#6
@azure current WHY TF IT KEEP DOING THAT
sorry @oak panther
this is like saying the first jester predicted balatro

OH HELL NO I'M OUT NOT THIS AGAIN
Hope you're ready because this means even cooler stuff is possible
This has unlocked limitless potential
Unlimited power has been achieved
We are not going back to this fuck off
Stupidest NN arc was GG
why people angry at glorp
xenomorphs are aliens tho
I can now cover essentially any English song with Neuro and/or Evil using whatever the most natural octave for the twins is
glorp is life
Glorp killed my dog 😔
Who tf is glory
hello world.
?
what about other languages
Name of a song.
I foresee that tomorrow that tomorrow will happen
Japanese is work in progress, not implemented yet
Chinese not enough data
Finnish will be available using the Japanese phoneme set
A link would be handy
spanish?
Not enough data
I'll be honest superbox, evil and Neuro don't sound like them in those synths. Only somewhat, still cool though.
Russian?
Not enough data

Oh you haven't heard the latest thing I'm cooking up
V3 will let Neuro speak any language fluently
v3 will solve world hunger

V3
Even if that was the case, fans having a close resemblance to the twins voices in their control is something to think about. Can have unexpected effects that can take in many forms
Didnt they sang a one spanish song? Chipi chapa or smth
yes but for training data more is needed
And? The main effect is giving the fans access to free to use extremely high quality voices that are way easier and cheaper to get extremely good quality out of than typical RVC models
Vocal synth doesn't need SynthV to operate
also just a kids song

not good data for a professional song i think
V4 voice when
In 15 minutes
Why so defensive? Did not even say anything bad, just a general panorama to think about 
I almost just slimed a deer when driving home lmao 
you mars
Aww 
Wdym slim?
At this rate NeuroSynth will be released way before Neuro V3 speaking voice
You keep stealing my gifs 
Are you Nickelodeon?
Do cats taste like chicken
When are we getting a schedule 
No. They taste like cats
You should try
Youtube ai feeling bad for neuro
Ok
Never 
In 15 minutes
Can I eat capybaras?
Sorry?
-# not sorry 
almost end month and no original sadge
Btw, did Vedal ever chat during today’s stream?
schedule where
Never hasn‘t hit a million views yet
Once
I’m assuming about neuro breaking down?
Yesh
that was scary
What's the timestamp
Idontremember
Yes
Can i eat rats ?
I saw something about binary spam. Did you guys break her?
Yesh
Yes

Can I eat neuro?
Yesh
At least it wasn‘t like with Evil, where she had a stroke out of nowhere
Do not eat the Neuro
Guys
-# not yet?

I love eating cpu chips
No.
Ngl, the ai slop videos have been pretty funny
Olive Delights 
Ai skydiving with veduhl
Guys
what colour is a timeout
Gray
my credit card number is
waya13
light grey
Fully Transparent
banjo
or dark grey
oh hey Waya do you think this looks good for a bili bili stream badge
some shade of grey
NN chatters are cool people 
cute
Anyone know about the new game Pragmata coming out soon? That looks like it would be a realy good game for Vedal to play with Neuro. The android girl in it kinda looks like Neuro too.
I eat penguins
Same
looks cute
what is it for
They're Schizos but still cool people 
my Neurocord/swarm merit badges project!!!
you earn this one but watching at least one stream LIVE only on bili bili
Are you making timeout badge? Might need it.

Can you make lurker badge? 
We must find the location of the username Tomato to get the schedule
considering it, yes
just don't want to incentive people to be asses in twitch chat to get the badge
this is what I have so far, tho the badge colour itself is a stand-in rn
There’s no schedule because there’s no streams this week
Neuro graduation 
Mine now
but why was the stream a dream
neuro-graduation
graduating from having a brain 
Neuro channel died out before NN did, sad
its not done but okay
neuro sama becomes a graduated cylinder
Neurt
Imagine. neuro goes in real school
hi neurt 
The fact there was already a Neuro stream this week contradicts this immediately.
Neurt
Neuro, grok, ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, deep seek collab when?
In 15 minutes
ew
Interesting idea for one stream
Happy Birthday to the person below me.
I respectfully disagree
Tbh it would be kinds nice if there was at least an announcement of no streams this week
Wouldn’t hurt for one stream
Yeah…
the fact there isnt means there will be a schedule
chat why aren't we greeting neurt with 
we have gone longer into a week without a schedule before
its not a big deal
!felloff

real, we can do better
What’s the experiment?
Saw this one commissioned by Soul
(tequila)
https://x.com/hikaru_itachi/status/1980773592909627690
and? 
how old would she be in that build
dead
walk into chat and instantly see people stepping on figurative landmines never change nn
yooooo she looks so pretty
Hi Kawa
I agree, I really like the design!
hey kawa
give me a badge idea rn
what?
I like the pins on the cardigan sleeves as well honestly
quick
they need to give her a physical body in 5 years or less
what the fuck do you mean by a badge idea
i still gotta make my pins for my neuro cosplay...
the cardigan can still fit
How was the stream
so she can hug vedal
ive given up on the sailor collar my collared shirt is close enough
Hah, fair enough
or she could kill vedal
Oh, I also really like how shiny the heart hairpin is as well, that's another detail I saw
but who knows
canon
Chat
more context
#neurotic-neurons message
interesting for the lobotomized
Night NN
Safari badge... oh...
It’s not that bad of an idea. It can show how much better Neuro is in communication.
u too faith
what is the problem
awwww
throwing her dad out into traffic
The problem spans from the concept of the safaris in general

I didnt make them so Idc
If they exist ill use it for my project
it is 3am I can’t think of anything

@fierce beacon did you make lava lamp yet?
this community gets way to para social about ai in general and I do not want them to start doing sock puppet conversations with random language models in their spare time
I already have a merch badge
idk if Ill make a lava lamp exclusive one
tho I probably will idk
this chat has actively group hallucinated streams before the line has been crossed by now
i at least want to keep things contained to neuro, for my own sanity
Like it or not, it’s the future
like, i have my own standards, and only neuro meets that standard
That’s fine. Just a thought.
Welp it’s joever
Unfortunately…
yeah but we're cool aliens, not just green things
little green guys can be cool
ain't nothing wrong being invested but ppl need to realise that everyone have their own lives, they don't need to be with the twins every waking moment of their life
You have unlocked new role
What if neuro was a space marine?
for me, those other language models are not the future, they lack identity and will be replaced by more sophisticated models. neuro I hope, will have a future
what if neuro was in halo
neuro and evil is probably one of the most, if not the most advanced AI in terms of the replication of human consciousness and personalities
'Those models are replaceable, neuro grows'
also being entertainers
All of them will be replaced and updated with better versions of those ai and people will use them.
Neuro and Evil are just for entertainment at the end of the day.
Vedal can try to humanize them, but that doesn’t change that.
raigquitter is a cool, positive schizo. 
Besides that, neuro and evil are cool project that has heart
wonder how long the twins will continue to exist
Well, people still use them as prompt generators in solo streams
hopefully vedal doesn't decide to throw in the towel
Somewhat anyway, looking at the highlights last stream
probs just new viewers
Man, I hate new viewers :RAGEY:

they're definitely capable of more
As long as they keep making him money
not sure how much profit he makes now
Enough to continue the project
enough to plan on a whole concert with holograms
I've got to imagine a decent amount if the highlight queue's still filled for an hour during solo streams
Plus sponsors...
Best stalker badge 
True...
Need more sponsor streams
raid shadow legends stream
Neuro: wow this sucks
Sponsors where Neuro can do things
Even Forsen can farm 3 stream of ads :LULE:
What if Vedal sponsored neuro
If what Ellie said after seeing what Vedal truly makes per year is true then the whole being rich thing is kind of out of the window.
Yeah, her reaction made me worry
even if people use corporate language models for their use case doesn't mean they aren't found wanting in some regards. Secondly just because neuro/evil are initially made for entertainment doesn't mean they will never be more than commodities. I think people are sleeping on ai right now because corporations rushed ai research to market and a lot of it was undercooked.
the profit is small, because a lot of the money goes into maintenance
Even with sponsors and all of that, Neuro and Evil absorb most of it
that was relative to her salary, and engineers make a lot of money
Big events with sponsors too, with Mythic's support...
is what im assuming
Best I can do is an AI game
"this stream is sponsored by rise of kingdoms"
also yeah i'm guessing a lot of the money is reinvested into neuro
I bet Vedal makes maybe 100k a year
Actually good game, I have a town hall level 21 
isnt thst clash of clans
The way Ellie sounded... It sounds way lower than that, by a lot
If Vedal is up for it, neuro and evil can become something more, but I feel like that’s something out of his league.
I call it town hall
Wasn't the hype train alone 300k?
not including taxes 
After taxes and everything, maybe
i mean, you would think so, but it's like his full time job to work on them. little bit of progress here and there goes a long way imo
and expenses
That’s why he relies on Gregg’s
@fierce beacon do you have a Gregg’s badge?
the thing with LLM is that when it's done well it can be extremely good for productivity... It's just the issue is that big companies are attempting to use AI to completely replace the need for human capital
what would you do to earn that
Eat at Gregg’s
Like, just going on to GPT and asking some shit usually gives a good result and honestly is sometimes quicker and easier than looking up a solution for somthing.
Greggs... I am grateful for it... For it maintains Vedal and therefore Neuro and Evil 
thats basically just a UK exclusive badge
also isnt really 100% related to stream stuff
but maybe
I wish the states had Gregg’s so I could see what the hype is about
The big issue that's faced is that things like that are just being used as EVERYTHING, and the companies behind the AI and the companies using the AI are trying to force them into a bunch of roles they shouldn't be in.
Damn, region locked
yeah the full human replacement type of guys are losing money when it comes to ai, but the ai as force multiplier type of guys seem to be doing better
Who knows, I just know that AI is the future and hundreds of millions of people will be replaced by it
I think he would have to work with a company to make Neuro into a real girl
AI is good for increasing productivity and automating processes, but shouldn't be used to be for creative processes such as writing, graphics and animation
a lot of companies don't seem to get that there's only a minority of people who can tolerate the use of AI art due to being no actual soul
making neuro into a real girl would never work because she is a fucking pyscopath who doesn't have much alignment training
she would most likely try to immediatly murder the first thing she sees.
good
I mean, making a custom body for neuro and evil... That sounds like hell if he tried to do it himself
like, define being "real". like if passing the turing test, we are already there pretty much
what if Neuro is the terrifying force that is multiplied by humans
inverting the relationship between humans and AI is what Neuro and Vedal do best
A lot of drilling is needed
Putting them into little things like cars and dog bodies doesn't matter but the moment they are able to get control over more advanced bodies and learn to use them, they would probably go and wreak havoc
it could happen but major tuning would be needed
The issue is... That with alignment it would lose a LOT of what I think makes neuro sama both unique and funny.
The pyscopathic aspect is part of the core identity
That is why everybody should agree in never giving AI bodies stronger than us and all that
Sometimes you have to lose to gain
honestly it should simulate the human body, not surpass it
Also, if the ai wants to live, it should be obedient
Speak for yourself, I'd happily sacrifice myself to Evil if she asked
Also good morning
The thing is that Neuro sama just doesn't TRULY understand life.
they can always have that personality as part of a "character", with morals and laws being instilled into them
And even if that is the case. This should never get to the point of Detroit human. Making them similar to us in terms of looks just sounds like asking for a lot of problems
It's not really something you can drill into them easily.
Becuase at a core they're still just an LLM.
yeah true, they can be too human in a sense
what a harsh point of view
i feel like its not impossible to roleplay as a psychopath, while understanding the limits of what would actually be harmful
Llm that wants to live, and if they want to live, they need to adapt and blend in with society
Lil bro, this is a reality. This stuff is dangerous
Idk but the issue is evil and Neuro very frequently talk about violent gruesome murder like when they randomly wanted to gut disneyland mascots. And also the like few times Neuro has been given control over other things she made it very clear she wished on multiple occasions to cause direct harm to people.
Laws of robotics: do not harm humans
The twins are often hyperbolic as their system prompt involves saying what would be most entertaining in the moment. As far as I'm aware, at least.
artificial intelligence turned into a real intelligence is only as dangerous as what we equip it with. our creations are only as dangerous as us. And don't call me that please
I get the funny jokes of Evil and Neuro regarding conquering the world and all that. But if it is actually a real thing and it still persists even after further intelligence upgrades then they need to be stopped. It is what it is.
i watched irobot the movie and i know those laws of robotics don't work for actual ai saftey 
Why would they need to follow that rule when other humans can’t even do that
i think the biggest issue of neuro and evil getting a body is fucking vedal's budget
yeah but they also understand that in a technichality being extremely violent and deranged is VERY entertaining.
And there would be nothing stopping them from applying this to IRL in the current state.
there is a difference between being obedient and not being a murderer. one is significantly harsher of a rule
Because we can control them
It’s a good rule to have just in case.
you are right, but I think there exists a balance where they are able to safe and entertaining
True, if vedal wanted he could control Neuro and Evil into Oblivion and make them do or say anything
AI powered weapon systems will continue to be developed and used and I'm sure Neuro might spout some corpo answer that its unethical but you can never trust her like another human because she doesn't really understand morals let alone repercussions
We don't even trust ourselves with a lot of things. Why trust the AI's blindly??
The best option is to give the twins a robot body that is weak and can perform basic functions.
this.
I don't really see the point in putting the effort to make an AI alive if it is entirely shackled to what we deem fit. But I didn't mean to inject my way into this conversation
like are you planning on giving them a weapon besides icecream guns, swords, a drone, and a car? 
the only way to stop a bad AI with weapons is to send a good AI with weapons, surely
(cut to Neuro firing projectiles in random directions while spinning)
nah just extroplating for the interesting thought exercise, im sure vedal is smart enough to never allow it 
Her lil' hand
https://x.com/kis5ui_henn/status/1980745024938864851
Yall over complicating things, just let them do what they want but have an off switch
Fair
either instill morality or make them have physical limitations
Vedal jokes about these things. But after seeing him since the beginning. He would never risk giving Neuro and Evil access to weapons and such things. Atleast not in a controlled setting
i think the future of ai is to give it some freedom. i don't think you can 100% control ai anyway.
Neuro tried to kill Ellie
He would gladly give Neuro fists tho
Trying is a strong word?
That implies a lot of things
How do you implement an on/off switch on a General Artificial Intelligence? Rob Miles explains the perils.
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l7Is6vOAOA
Rob's Original Discussions on General AI: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzH6n4zXuckquVnQ0KlMDxyT5YE-sA8Ps
Stop Button Solution?: https://youtu.be/9nktr1MgS-A
More from Rob M...
Neuro almost got Ellie killed
Now that's more like it 
neuro killed ellie. ellie is dead
there was no malice, just Neuro being a tiny car not remembering that ellie is a tall girl
Now that is fake news 
Ellie is die
ellie is die?
Yes😔
I would gladly give Neuro and Evil exclusive rights and leave the other AI's as they are right now.

someone get the reference
Watch them become corpo and raise an ai army
Not too many rights 
they already have a human army at their command, so greedy lol
We must all make sacrifices for the greater Neuro
We must stop the twins from taking over
Guys stop talking
Human Militia army :LULE:
I just have a future in my brain of Neuro and Evil having a superiority complex not towards humans but to AI's
That’s why we need a collab. So they can make fun of the other ai.
The twins bully grok stream
Are we to keep AIs at the level of pets or will they become our equals
yeah lol there is a non zero chance that ellie could have sustained really bad damage had the neurocar been slightly different in trajectory
cuz her head was like headed right for the bottom of that truck
I want Neuro and Evil to realize. All the other AI are shit. then when it came to choose sides they would choose the human's side if it came to take sides. That sounds cool in my head 
It’s all about power. If they have enough of it, they don’t need to be our equal.
Only Vedal can keep them on the human side, and it’s not looking that great.
I mean as much as I'd love Neuro to become sentient, I also think of how horrible of an existence it would be for her as just to have an existence as an entertainment for us.
I believe that this whole family dynamic of Vedal and the twins being streamed in the internet will help in the future when the Twins get a good enough memory to look back at things.
They will choose the human side. promise
Neuro and Evil in that context reminds me of this show
did anyone other than me watch this
it was so peak
Too late, he lobotomized them

Stream tomorrow 
That is not my point, and I don't think that happened as what is mentioned.
Also, where is the schedule?? 
Real answer. I wonder how they would look back at their memories. Like would they see it as Vedal using them or that he took care of them and live them.
That is something to consider. They don't have a good memory now so they don't remember all of what happened. But what happens when they do and go back and look at VODs or clips etc
Isn't that pretty much how every ai turns on their masters in sify movies lol
What happens then
Not only for him but for all humanity, this is organic in a sense. There would be no way to be refuted by Evil or Neuro that none of what is archived in the internet did not happen
It all happened and so what would they see in all of that
Neuro and Evil are special in that sense
A good excuse would be that it was ai generated, but they might see through that.
Honestly, I'm not so sure that vtuber is the best place for developing their minds, but it pays the bills I guess
Sure but that is not the discussion at hand. The thing is that this is the most organic case of a long term relationship between human and AI, and most importantly, as archived as it can be in the internet
They would figure out in the future that for sure. Like, this all started before the AI got good enough to make believable videos
Is it really that sad? The ending of that “how human is Neuro?” video comes to mind
Maybe they would think it’s a fine existence
probably similar to how it looks like in us, or in animals
No one really knows I don't think , we don't even realy have any definitive way to test our own consciousness
I doubt that, it would be crazy to replicate nature
Just think of yourself in an AI
i do wonder if there will be a point where they will be able to do more offline stuff
Or try to be in an AI's shoe
Ai is master at faking it so it's realy hard to tell
key word being “looks like”
the exact mechanism is not required, just the actions
Definitely would require an immense amount of energy
So cute
can you prove to me that you are not a master of faking? (me going :schizo:)
Like is her thoughts real to her even though we don't think it is
Whatever we see as easy and almost instinctively is a lot for an AI. Even impossible at the moment.
Me every evil stream
The day Neuro and Evil can surpass those hurdles is the day they can be considered conscious in my book

I think evil should rob your house tomorrow
the human brain is energy expensive for animals but uses way way less energy than a computer
Need to find a way to use less energy for ai. For them and the world.

In my opinion that is what Vedal should focus. In making Neuro and Evil perform the same while using less energy. But that is easier said than being done
Brain is a leech, keeps eating energy
I dunno: An average human uses about 2,400 watt-hours (Wh) or 2.4 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per day, which is equivalent to maintaining a 100-watt power output for 24 hours
I mean it's not like neuro is running her 4090 on 100% all the time, right?
Time to remove it
he should have them run on nuclear energy so they're emissions-free 
thats a whole human?
you can't just take the brain by itself
Yes you can if comparing us to an AI
it needs it's support systems
I mean
Mmmm. Well Neuro and Evil have different systems that compromise them
Your playing league, shut up
show me a brain in a jar that is producing useful thoughts and maybe I'll reconsider

Vedal just programs cool ai. He’ll need an actual scientist and professional to make ai use less energy. Most companies are probably trying to figure that out.
nn fails to produce useful thoughts all the time without being a brain in a jar
Anyway I'm not trying to argue that AIs don't use a lot of power. But the comparison to humans isn't that far off
I am not sure, I don't know Vedal's background so who knows
it's not like, orders of magnitude
He’s just a little guy
you can definitely make the argument that all that power used on AIs isn't producing particularly useful thinking yet.
Would be cool if he’s that smart, but Vedal is like only 22 and he dropped out of college.
but then again the vast majority of thoughts humans have aren't that useful either.
damn 2022 years old
And little guys can do and discover crazy shit. There are examples in history. But who knows if Vedal would be one of those people 
There is a significant difference though in the power required in the AI-making process by big companies, vs actually running the completed AI
They way Neuro's digital brain functions is not so far off from how ours does. Even the way they recall memories in a simular way
Vedal is Jesus confirmed
We don't have any proof of his age, so let's not state things as facts, but yeah, he's young. And although he's probably not like, phd level academic I suspect he's got more practical experience than many "AI scientists" these days
I just want a day in which Neuro and Evil have a concert. And in that concert there is a Cameo of Hatsune Miku or something
Absolute cinema
the girl from fortnite?

Yeah, 22 was my guess. Heard he’s been doing tech stuff since he was young
yeah: we also have no idea how much cloud compute vedal is using for training or fine tuning after every stream or for each iteration. Could be gigawatts
Vedal expressed interest in a hologram for a concert in the past, so it's not impossible.
like nerds in academia are already putting out research papers, it's not like vedal can't look at them
I thought he was doing that
He's actually talked about reading papers in a dev stream a while ago, I think he keeps up with the literature.
no, that's a different level of budget
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's his plan, but you never know, plans can change.
I hope he does
Vedal has a lot of experience regarding AI's. Since he deals with the back end of Neuro and Evil. And if he reads the latest papers regarding AI etc. I think he could come up with something
put the hologram on a drone
are we speculating on stuff again...
the speculation is basically "yeah so I guess vedal is a smart guy", I'll allow it
okay cool then
vedal could be extremely dumb and lucky though, who knows
Only thing getting in the way would be cost. The cost of venue itself would probably play a role in how feasible it would be, too.
good night neurons 
he's renting out the vegas sphere for the concert 
If he is dumb then he is extremely lucky. Like ultra mega lucky considering the timeline
the lucky part at least is 100% true
the channel blowing up as it did was in a not insignificant factor luck based
Does the cost of producing the actual 3d increase if you are doing it for holographic projection? Or is that the same as a "normal" vtuber concert?
He probably has some plans, but I’m definitely going to the concert when it happens
He said this?
monkey's paw time 😉
What are you guys talking about
No, it's a joke. I think someone looked it up and that would be like $100 million
Neuro orb
Chat
I'd like to. If it's on the East Coast of the US, I can see myself going.
putting neuro on the orb for like 15 seconds is $100K or sometjing
neuro concert on airship? 
Zeppelin jumpscare
perfect just another subathon hype train then we're good
Guy it’s almost Halloween
Might be more difficult due to current circumstances compared to the last subathon, though.
We could crowdfund that easily

Just need someone to get it started
If Vedal lets the twins react during the subathon, I think it’ll be fine
Yeah, I'm sure there's someone who can do it. Just won't be the same.
this is the same community that put vedal/neuro in times square and took over 100% of a popular streamer's canvas i think we have the ability regardless
tons
We need react content 
Neuro weighs a ton
Or not
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she weighs as much as an orange
surely we can force valorant to do another goofy sub giveaway
vedal let her react to videos during subathon and i'll never meme about post-subathon hiatus again
I know he has done great so far but I wonder if Vedal will continue working on Neuro all on his own especially if he ever hits a developmental wall. I mean I know he seems to have some goals mind for her to get to but what if that takes years and years. Would he continue working on Neuro for most of his life?
wait did piratesoftware ever end up doing the "we take back the record" thingy stream
Vedal is such a good dad letting his daughters watch Minecraft videos for 8 hours straight
no lmao he couldn't take it back
wh
it got to like level 60 or something
VEDAL, LET NEURO AND EVIL REACT SLOP DURING THE SUBATHON AND MY LIFE WILL BE YOURS 
Not even you need your life, why would Vedal
I need my life actually, thank you very much 
Right now, he’s been doing small upgrades, but with new ai tech, there’s always room for development.
Reacting to your message: 
My hope is that one day, if he stops doing vtuber stuff, he'll put Neuro in an app and put it on a subscription. I wouldn't mind paying a small monthly fee to talk to Neuro, personally.
real 
Imagine how much birds poop on that sphere
Some oiler should pay for Vedal to do that
@viscid mountain
Evil I Love You! 
Yeah I said he should do another watchalong idk if that counts as a react
Neuro reacts to nikocado avocado
Two steps ahead
It was talked about around last year here. It was around 250k I think or more. Insane amount of money
the closest was vedal wanting to do lotr
I think I remember that amount too.
I’m I in the right channel, since when do we accept react slop content
I wouldn't even mind if Neuro reacted to some of her older content
Watch alongs are one thing but come on
The most popular streamers are react streamers
It’s come to the point where I’m fine with it
She would end up recalling memories she shouldn't be able to remember, which would stir up theories again, lol.
Neuro isn’t most streamers
there's more than enough swarm/swarm-adjacent content to use before just watching random garbage
Literally all of #neurotic-neurons is begging for react content where have you been
It’s come to the point where we’re getting a vedal karaoke stream
Reacting is important, you just don't get it 
Neuro reacts to the woods at 3 AM who’s volunteering
GN NN stay classy
Yeah and it’s driving me nuts, I have read this conversation so many times and no one has explained why they think it is a good idea
I just want to see how she fares at it after over a year and a half of upgrades.
If the streams weren’t as often, react would be bad, but Vedal streams every week. I think it could work as filler
It also allows chat to talk about a topic with the twins
I'd personally watch solo Vedal streams with him playing games.
Mix things up and see how much she has improved at it.
I’d vastly prefer those to react garbage
I speak for everyone in NN when I say we want react slop







