programming

[proven merlin]

yep :)

Web2 support too

[opaque sigil]

then it shouldn't really matter

though you are forced into systemd

so there's that

[proven merlin]

i also have like 5 486 machines so like

i can give you both scenarios

pentium surely somewhere aswell

[proven merlin]

hmm.. thats sad

no busybox init

[opaque sigil]

there have been some non-systemd versions iirc but they all just kind of died

[proven merlin]

i also have a "486" with 1gb of ddr1 ram hehe

[opaque sigil]

and also kind of useless since nixpkgs assumes systemd so you have to write pretty much everything yourself

[proven merlin]

ah.. well i dont hate systemd, kinda like it, aslong as it doesnt eat 4 billion of every resource

[hard delta]

i mean i'm sure there are desktops that are well cooked enough, especially if you're not helplessly new - but you can't squish it into DSL territory without losing that, or making it outdated

i've hanged out on cyberpunk imageboard back in the day with people who would roll their custom openbsd kernel and use scripts to change their punctuation in their javascriptless gutted firefox to avoid fingerprinting and all. and they were all like, massively limiting what they do (or want to do) in real life just to be able to reduce their online fingerprint

when having a sane or irl usecase, that just doesn't fly. govt and bank just tells you to buy a normal computer or go to their office. uni just fails you in the subject. work just goes "yeah your role has been deprecated"

[last nest]

I agree. Been using Linux for quite a while now (mostly just for servers but have also occasionally used it as my daily driver on my laptops). There is a ton of stuff that just does not work out of the box yet and will require terminal access to fix.

[hard delta]

linux desktop can work well for a dev as a daily driver.
maybe it can for a non-techie as a daily driver.
but for that, it will most likely have to be at least somewhat bloaty and lose some of those magical promised qualities, unless it's your main hobby and you either live irl like in the 80s or have no irl life ongoing

[fickle rain]

I feel 64mb RAM is like
Linux kernel pwn CTF chal ass shit with initramfs only

[proven merlin]

im looking forward for reactos or haiku.. but thats gonna take some decades still

[fickle rain]

ReactOS will probably never be done

[hard delta]

those are never coming out lmao

[fickle rain]

https://swapcontext.blogspot.com/2019/12/is-reactos-great-again-2019.html

Fun article

[proven merlin]

i dont need done, i need workable

[hard delta]

haiku is just a hobby project and has been out for a decades and that is how it will be for the rest of eternity

[fickle rain]

You'd be better off with Wine

[kind nimbus]

Try OpenBSD it should use like 20-60 mb ram

[hard delta]

reactos will be outpaced by microsoft so it will always be behind and never "ready"

[proven merlin]

hardware support aint all that great but ive been considering the BSDs..

[hollow venture]

i think the right distro will just work better for normys then windows, somthing thats stable and where people just use a web browser mostly, probaly wont care and will just have a better time

[lapis wraith]

I can confirm. I wan on linux mint but, for whatever random reason, Half live 2, one day, was running at 1 FPS (no joke).
Tried every proton but still failed.
Installed Kubuntu to try KDE while we're at it and still failed.
Went back to Mint to see if it was trully my bad but no.
I am now on bazzite and at least it finally works. (I also have the Wallpaper engine plugin working on KDE)

But god damm it, something simple can be hard to fix

[proven merlin]

they desperately need devs.. iirc they have like 7 active devs lol

[kind nimbus]

For hardware support and actually using it go with FreeBSD

[hard delta]

we already have a best linux distro for casual users, it's chromeos

[proven merlin]

been thinking of midnight bsd, but idk

[hollow venture]

well other then chromeos lol

[fickle rain]

There's this cool one
Not Linux, but UNIX

Fairly common these days

Even has its own hardware

[hard delta]

sweet lord

[amber fractal]

I've pretty much only used Linux boxes for awhile now. So I'm by far not unaware. I have to do so many botches just to get some applications done. From AI training to VR, not to mention the mess that is remote connection over Wayland backed compositors

[proven merlin]

i mean i got an an entire alpine terminal thing down to 8mb ..

[kind nimbus]

It's based on freebsd but idk how well supported and maintained it is

[hollow venture]

mac? to pricy and aslo has its own problems

[proven merlin]

god dont get me started on wayland.. im escaping to xlibre and old DE's (hopefully sonicDE will be decent)

[kind nimbus]

Bsd is directly derivated from Unix 🙂

[last nest]

It's a rather specific case but I recently wanted to install Linux on a Asus T100TAM which has 32bit EFI. That was rather fun.

[fickle rain]

I think modern Äpöl is not that pricy for what it offers

[amber fractal]

I'd rather you not, I'm tired of hearing it

[fickle rain]

But yeah, definitely its own problems there too

[proven merlin]

32 bit efi with 64 bit cpu is always fun

[hollow venture]

i dont get the wayland hate, i like never have problems with it

[kind nimbus]

Wayland is much better than x11 in several ways

[proven merlin]

mostly remote connections and some apps just wont work on a fundamental level (one example that shows it clearly are shimeji's).. nothing major, but i just dont like it

[amber fractal]

I didn't want to start this discussion

[proven merlin]

sorry, i wont go into more of this-

i like framebuffer. nice efficent, direct

file

/dev/fb0 my beloved

[amber fractal]

All I'm saying is that there is a lot of usabillity work needed to get a lot more of people's usecases working. Basics are pretty close to fine, but once your out of the saftey net your on your own

[hard delta]

linux has some terrible tech debts too sadly

[lapis wraith]

Untill you realize you need an X11 server anyways because some programs will refuese to lunch. But yes, it's good when it works

[proven merlin]

true, and theyve been getting way worse

[hollow venture]

sadly yea

[hard delta]

and it will never go away

because there's always one old slackware user who says this thing was nice in 2003 and that's what he wants to use till he dies

[proven merlin]

i mean like, just that one week where they just kept releasing root exploits lol. they quickly fumbled to get a patch out day after day

understandably but yikes

[hollow venture]

lol

[hard delta]

and so there's a janky solution for everything that "worked better" and is therefore not allowed to die

[last nest]

I mean that kinda also does sound like operating systems in general

[hard delta]

it's moreso that there's like, no mainline mainstream way to go - and when there is it's always evil, corpo and bad

[amber fractal]

I run VR in a rawdog gamescope because otherwise my overlay crashes on interaction. Getting CUDA to install even in a distro like NixOS isn't the easiest when nixpkgs is fighting against you. We aren't quite finished with getting the hard stuff to work at least to parity with windows.

[hard delta]

remember when systemd was new

[proven merlin]

heyy, my doom mindset about computers and IT isnt soo wrong then, maybe i should just write my own os.. and then have it rot because its yet another haiku/dsl/obscure research os .

[hard delta]

it's also how people scream about like

5 settings moving and 2 panels changing in a new windows major version

like i completely understand the revolt against the degrading performance

but i've been using windows 98 2k xp vista 7 8 8.1 10 11 and they could release 20 more and i'd get used to each

[kind nimbus]

Those go through xwayland and usually that works just fine for the legacy stuff

[proven merlin]

moving those two panels somehow made it eat like double the ram lol

[hard delta]

it's not hard, idk why people can't xdf

[proven merlin]

yea

[atomic umbra]

anybody remember SkyOS? how about v2os or unununium?

[opaque sigil]

the only problem with cuda on nixos is that some dumbass devs hardcode their lookup in /usr/local/cuda so now you need to patch that

[proven merlin]

question.. how smart is proxmox as a laptop os?

like.. i honestly think it could be neat

[amber fractal]

You say that, but that wasn't the error I got

[hard delta]

[proven merlin]

plan9.. looks very beOS like

[atomic umbra]

oh and how can i forget about BeOS

[hard delta]

plan9 is like

the same team who made unix at bell labs

making a proper, good unix

not a shitty first-attempt unix

[proven merlin]

we did we let good things die?

[opaque sigil]

clangd please I beg stop using all my ram

[hard delta]

they TRULY turned everything into a file this time around

[atomic umbra]

Tannenbaum was right about Linux. he was just wrong about the world

[hard delta]

current linux /proc was ported from there too
you could do almost anything in the multiverse with cp, cat, and the like

[proven merlin]

tannenbaum?

why are we talking about christmass trees?

[amber fractal]

When I was packaging an app, I had to overlay anything that used torch because nixpkgs decided not to listen to the CUDA argument in torchWithCuda so I had to patch everything in that shell to point to the correct torch instance and not pull in the other one

[hard delta]

some minix guy from a dutch university

big os guy back in the day

[proven merlin]

ah

[hard delta]

had some legendary book too

hyped his own os (minix) and talked down on linux tho

[proven merlin]

minix guy just say thaat- lol

[proven merlin]

i mean linux is neat.. not great tho

so like, could be

[hard delta]

i really wish plan9 took off back then

[fickle rain]

Well the Mac is now up on Iotech for trade

[hard delta]

it didn't cause unix/linux was good enough

[fickle rain]

Maybe someone wants it

[hard delta]

plan9 was magic

[fickle rain]

Probably not

[atomic umbra]

linux was practical and thats why it worked. but certainly not ideal

[hard delta]

but i suppose

if it did take off

it would have been ruined by idiots and the industry

[proven merlin]

true

[hard delta]

nobody has time and money for good work

[proven merlin]

capitalism istg

[hard delta]

and people wanting to live life, make money, or ship their adhd project yesterday

and so on and so on

[proven merlin]

the one upside of communism: it crashes fast, instead of a slow rot like capitalism

[hard delta]

people who think the big thing is bad and wanting to do their own thing instead, etc

[proven merlin]

aatleaast thats what it seems like

[proven merlin]

true true

[proven merlin]

i should call my os "YAROS" Yet another Research OS

[hard delta]

just name it abandonware

[proven merlin]

[hard delta]

so when people search abandonware they find it

outstanding move

[atomic umbra]

im glad the trend of naming every new open source project "yet another ..." stopped

[kind nimbus]

You can use systemd-tmpfiles to actually make the cuda path on NixOS resolve there

[proven merlin]

wasnt there in the android scene at some point a YA YA safety attestation checker or something

[opaque sigil]

not inside a devShell

[proven merlin]

aanyway, imma head "offline"

[kind nimbus]

You can... At least i think you can ...

[fickle rain]

Bitch you fucking what? That's more than a normal kernel stack

[proven merlin]

maybe ill lurk in a bit for a bit but dont count on it

[hard delta]

yaml
yet anther machine learning?!

[idle dune]

Well that stream was genuinely traumatic

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-patrick-star-peak-cinema-absolute-cinema-gif-2419960068189387292

[kind nimbus]

I'm on life support now

#starboard message

I want this to be real

[fickle rain]

Wow that actually looks like really nice deal

If only I was empl*yed...

Zen2 isn't that bad, right?

[nocturne olive]

Most of the value is in the RAM, most of the other parts aren't supoer valuable

[deft bone]

it's a testament to how idiot-proof modern PC hardware is that nothing actually burned this stream

[deft bone]

my father's PC worked for 1.5 years with a fucking dead CPU fan and survived

[fickle rain]

I wonder if things could be broken

Unless that's just how things are supposed to be

[glad path]

i forgor about server building today

i was gonna watch that live but oh well

[maiden geyser]

is there a clip of the cerber building stream already

[main stirrup]

and now hopefully so will Neuro's

[proven merlin]

"a clip".. it was painful but went "mostly ok"

Dont expect the server to be done at the 4 hours of the stream

[vital lily]

So...how did the new server end? Did it end up less of a disaster than it looked earlier in the stream? Will it probably be fine and work quite well, or is it completely cooked out of the potential it should have had?

[last nest]

I mean it ends at the point where he still does have to do quite a few things. Either one of the sticks needs to be reseated or the CPU (one of the ram modules wasn't being detected), AIO fans weren't installed correctly and neither was the pump header for the AIO though I believe he knows about this from what I've read. Plenty of things also weren't screwed in properly.

Oh yeah front panel connectors weren't even plugged in at all.

[proven merlin]

Or only screwed in in a temporary matter. I think half way through he realized that a single stream wasnt enough

So he just got to "posts, rest offstream"

[vital lily]

Do you think it's recoverable, or did he probably damage something beyond full repair, such that even if it does eventually work it won't work as well as it should?

[proven merlin]

Nah should be fine

[last nest]

No it should all work fine

[proven merlin]

He might have minimally damaged the cpu/socket if hes very unlucky but i doubt it, seems to work

If anything we all overreacted a bit because he seemed careless/rough with the parts, or didn't do enough research on the fly

(due to his suit hindering vision)

[deft bone]

"Asked Gemini"

[vital lily]

Okay, that's good. I remember when I was watching the stream the way people were talking here made it sound like he was on the verge of some critical error that wouldn't be fully recoverable, even if it would kinda work in the end. But if every mistake he did make that would impact function and performance is fully recoverable then that's a relief.

[last nest]

Honestly after the last PC building stream I'm just surprised he didn't watch like any videos on the matter. Then again I also wouldn't be entirely surprised if it was done for content.

[deft bone]

There was legitimate fear he would break the motherboard because it was on like 3 or 4 screws

[proven merlin]

Performance wise hes actually optimal atm (ignoring missing gpus and all), the only scary part was cpu install, cpu cooler install, and a short uncertaincy of not knowing if he mixed psu cables

[vital lily]

Just BSing and vibebuilding your way through something THIS PRICEY just for potentially funny content is wild.

[proven merlin]

Which imo was a little unreasonable, theyre not that sensitive.. but at this price point i personally wouldn't have risked it

[deft bone]

Yeah that server motherboard is probably much more durable than normal PC ones

[last nest]

Honestly the things I was most worried about where the CPU & RAM installation. Motherboards are quite durable now a days. I also didn't really see him doing anything with the standoffs at the start of the stream so I'm kinda wondering if even the correct standoffs are installed. Cause if you have too many they can damage the backside of the motherboard or cause a short.

[proven merlin]

I actually think he did so research. He knew how exactly the cpu install wa supposed to go, just never did it.. and well he was lacking general knowledge like fan direction and such

[vital lily]

Oh yeah I remember that was one of the first concerns I was seeing people panicking over.

[proven merlin]

Ah for the standoffs i joined too late

I joined right before he started with then cpu

[last nest]

I do agree on the CPU part (besides actually screwing it in). But for a lot of stuff idk.

[deft bone]

Fan direction is actually the case of streaming lowering your iq by 30 points

[vital lily]

But yeah, the way it looked like it was going and how everyone else was acting in response got me feeling like this lol:

[proven merlin]

Fair fair. He did seem quite paniced or such

[last nest]

Honestly someone brought up the air direction arrows they usually have on fans and idk why but it seems like less and less companies are doing it. Which is gonna make it even more annoying in the future with the reverese editions of fans they're releasing right now.

[proven merlin]

To be fair, i myself was very worried, because it very much seemed like he yolod the entire thing.. i then booted my laptop and doublechecked everything he did with the manual lol

[proven merlin]

Just plug the fan into a working PC or something

And find out

[deft bone]

The blades

The blades are shaped a certain way

[proven merlin]

That too

[last nest]

True but I mainly mean for beginners. It just made it a lot easier when starting out.

[deft bone]

You just have to shape rotate in your head to understand which way a fan will spin

[proven merlin]

I was actively tired at the end of the stream lol

[vital lily]

One hour in I was the first image. Two hours in I was the second image lol.

[last nest]

Honestly the longer it went on the less scared I become. Granted I was more cringing at the building process instead of scared in the first place.

[last nest]

Same

[nocturne olive]

I has managed to write some code ```kt
runBlocking {
val requirementsFile = File("$environmentLocationCpy/requirements.txt")
requirementsFile.createNewFile()

requirementsFile.writeBytes(Res.readBytes("files/requirements.txt"))
}

EmbeddedTerminalTtyConnector.terminalPrint("Creating new virtual environment")

run {
val process = ProcessBuilder(pythonCommand, "-u", "-m", "venv", "DiffTrainer-Kt")
.directory(environmentFile)
.redirectErrorStream(true)
.start()
hookProcessOutput(process)
process.waitFor()
}

val commandExecutor = VenvCommandExecutor(environmentFile, VenvType.Python, "DiffTrainer-Kt")

run {
val process = commandExecutor.runCommand(listOf("-m", "pip", "install", "-r", "requirements.txt"))
hookProcessOutput(process)
process.waitFor()
}

run {
val process = commandExecutor.runCommand(listOf("-m") + pytorch)
hookProcessOutput(process)
process.waitFor()
}

run {
val process = commandExecutor.runCommand(listOf("-m", "pip", "install", "protobuf", "onnxruntime", "click"))
hookProcessOutput(process)
process.waitFor()
}

[vital lily]

That is indeed some code.

[nocturne olive]

It creates and sets up a Python virtual environment

[last nest]

Biggest mistake you can usually make with Threadripper & Epyc style CPU's is not using the default (provided) or a correctly torqued screw driver. Cause if they're not torqued correctly you can definitely kill the CPU by just applying too much pressure.

[nocturne olive]

And displays the command output in a virtual terminal

[opaque sigil]

have you considered uv sync

[umbral wigeon]

My worst luau code for benchmark
https://pastebin.com/8D3isdJx

[nocturne olive]

This is meant to be a program that can run on a target machine without dependencies other than just a Python interpreter

And of course a JVM for the app itself

[umbral wigeon]

Also sharing worst python script I've ever read
https://pastebin.com/vmBheCbA

[opaque sigil]

could vendor uv i guess and not require an upfront interpreter (idk if this is meant to run on windows) + get a lockfile

50M binary tho

[vital lily]

I mean, bold of you to assume many beginners will be building PCs these days with these current prices.

[void marsh]

question: how would one go about training/building their own ai?

[nocturne olive]

Meant to run on Windows Linux and OSX

[opaque sigil]

i guess if you're already requiring a working jvm there's no point

could download a pinned uv binary at runtime and then use that

[leaden crest]

I see #programming is no longer bloated with #livestream-chat

[nocturne olive]

But that seems like a pain and I don't feel like doing anything too much more complicated than the app I'm improving

[maiden geyser]

what kind of ai

[opaque sigil]

i was mostly joking

smallest c++ error

[nocturne olive]

[opaque sigil]

nvm dumbass me forgot to resolve a merge conflict

sometimes i forget codeberg is held together by prayers and duct tape

[proven merlin]

Do yall know "somebody once told me (the user provider should use an adaptor to query the factory builder)"?

[olive sable]

bruh. these hinges cracking is such a common issue there's a fucking class action lawsuit against these headphones
https://classlawdc.com/2025/09/04/sony-wh-1000xm5-headphones-hinge-investigation/

[opaque sigil]

is that the ones that don't fold

[olive sable]

they sure do not fold yep

these are like 3 months old

spent 200 euro on these fuckers

scam

[proven merlin]

@olive sable
Here you go, enjoy
https://youtu.be/p03oO_7sCaY

[opaque sigil]

my xm3s that i bought before going to uni are still going strong

only had to replace the earpads once so far in the 7 years

[civic flax]

I have a question
In Windows 95, there is the "My Briefcase" app, what would be the modern equivalent to this, is it now just Word?

[olive sable]

xm3 seems to have a way stronger hinge

[opaque sigil]

yeah it and the xm4 are built quite well

[proven merlin]

Rsync

[civic flax]

That is a default in Windows 11, right?

[proven merlin]

Was often used to syncronite folders/data between mobile devices and the pc as example

[proven merlin]

Uh.. i honestly dont know

Rsync usually is a Linux thing

[civic flax]

mmm

[proven merlin]

Iirc windows 11 still has briefcases

[civic flax]

I am trying to edit some of the icons I have in Windows 11 and this is what I have done so far

[proven merlin]

3d printer time (well rma first)

[olive sable]

rma takes too long, im inpatient

lets see if there are cad files avsailable

[proven merlin]

Tho there is SyncToy or SyncThing

[civic flax]

I basically have to do the icons by hand, use ezgif to convert png into ico files and later upload them through Window's properties settings

[civic flax]

Lemme see if briefcase is even a thing

[proven merlin]

Yep!
https://winaero.com/how-to-add-the-briefcase-feature-in-windows-10/
Just a lil reg edit apparently. Do some more research tho

[proven merlin]

It is!

Just disabled by registry

[vital lily]

My entire Windows 10 laptop looks like this lol.

[civic flax]

https://tenor.com/view/aku-samurai-jack-sword-stab-how-gif-3901625149704225757

[vital lily]

I once had the icons classic-ified but not anymore. Everything else is "classic-ified" mainly by just force-disabling theming altogether and patching some ensuing bugs, since Windows without any theming already still uses the Classic theme style built-in anyway.

[civic flax]

I have to create the icons by hand

also, i kinda did a funny thing where the trash icon can just move freely and shit on any position it wants and is transparent

[maiden geyser]

programs in scratch award

[vital lily]

Really? I remember when I once replaced icons I was able to get the whole pack and replace them in-batch using some program. Granted, that was Windows 10 (though really Windows 11 is also Windows 10 just with more bugs and telemetry lol), and also at least Windows 10 at that time actually still had the classic icons still stored on the OS just not enabled iirc lol.

[vital lily]

Been at it for over 12 years lol.

I'm practically a Scratch "OG" at this point...whatever that even means. XD

[olive sable]

prove your worthiness to the name. show us lego

[bold flower]

really like this classic look. nice work

[civic flax]

Yeah, I have the files with me that I recently made

This was the one I made for the "My Computer"

[proven merlin]

250kb.. god damn. ,(but fair)

[vital lily]

Thanks. But again a lot of it really is just still built into Windows 10 under the hood, you just have to disable its theming and UWP/Metro/whateverthetermisidk stuff correctly and a couple other things.

[civic flax]

I put the highest resolution

But even then, when you try and enlarge the icons they remain small

[proven merlin]

Me being like: its a 24x24 texture, time to nearest neighbor/integrr scaling

[rancid ore]

...I now want to set up linux out of spite

[olive sable]

where lego

[rancid ore]

I do need windows for votv modding though, I've heard it's pain on linux

[vital lily]

I still need Windows for almost everything I do. But I'm not downgrading to Windows 11 lol.

[kind nimbus]

Does this help?

https://rentry.co/VotV_Linux_modding_EN

(dont have votv and never tried modding it but i just found that)

[bold flower]

theres days i wish i didnt go to 11

[rancid ore]

not for me but it'll certainly help ktrain

[vital lily]

I knew I wasn't going to go to 11 from the moment an early build was leaked and I saw it was just a Windows 10 update with a shallow, buggier, crappier, hacked on new UI slapped on top to convince people it was a real major new OS version (it's not), even more bloat, and less control, privacy, and ownsership of your own PC. And that was BEFORE they were turning it into an "AI-based PC" too.

[rancid ore]

dang, it's outdated. it won't help.

thanks for trying though

[civic flax]

Let me see if I can use an image to fake the briefcase

[bold flower]

the leak was a petty move on MS part. they should have at least done with it the way the did windows 10 with the test group

[civic flax]

I mean I can but it shows an annoying check

[rancid ore]

voidmod is depreciated, unfortunately

how do you get around lack of security updates?

[maiden geyser]

ignore

[kind nimbus]

Oh ok nvm then

[vital lily]

I did load up Windows 11 in a VM once though just for fun...and found out that despite Microsoft trying real hard to hard-block anyone from being able to open Internet Explorer (despite it still being in the OS), some of the more obscure system programs for random things still included help links that open Internet Explorer anyway so you could just open IE like that AND pin it to the taskbar.

[vital lily]

Don't really care? I started blocking Windows 10 updates a while before support ended anyway because they just kept doing more harm or making changes I didn't like anyway.

[rancid ore]

a windows 10 image would be nice to have.

[vital lily]

Wait, it is?? I thought it was removed in some Windows 10 update a long time ago! Like, I thought the story was that it still existed in Windows 8, and even made it into the earlier versions of Windows 10 but disabled, requiring a reg edit to re-enable them, and then was removed entirely in later Win10 updates shortly afterward. But no, it's really still there just disabled??

[vital lily]

I have one on a USB.

[rancid ore]

and I do want to make my laptop look like it's running a custom version of windows 7

[bold flower]

i should have a couple images somewhere

[vital lily]

I also have a Tiny10 image on a DVD-R.

[rancid ore]

I have linux on a flash drive but I don't have the guts to install it right now

[vital lily]

There's a modded Windows 10 image somewhere on archive.org where someone managed to completely overhaul it to look virtually indistinguishable from Windows 7, to an extent I've never seen usual transformation packs and mods do.

[rancid ore]

I've booted from it before, so I know what I'm doing on that one

[rancid ore]

ooh.

dang looks like frutiger aero archive is down

probably would have been on there

[civic flax]

I have accidentally hidden an icon and i cant find it

[kind nimbus]

I'd be careful with custom windows images you find randomly on the internet as they can contain malware.

[civic flax]

I feel like such a boomer using the computer

https://tenor.com/view/computer-old-man-my-computer-delete-my-computer-delete-gif-12348422

[vital lily]

True. I don't believe this one does though, but I only tried it in a VM anyway. It also doesn't come pre-activated either.

[olive sable]

i put some metal ribs made form staples into the plastic with a soldering iron, and then bridged the crack in the plastic by melting the PLA. also covered up the whole thing with some leftover PLA from my 3D printer.
ill print a support thingy later but i cant be bothered to start the 3D printer rn

[vital lily]

There's also Reloaded7, which is another modded Windows 10 version that looks like Windows 7, and it's based on LTSC 2021 so it still has support and security updates for like 6 more years, but I don't know enough about that.

[olive sable]

Not the prettiest but it will have to do for now.

Both sides were cracked btw

[young plover]

no cyanoacrylate?

[olive sable]

i dont know what that is

[young plover]

superglue

[olive sable]

too britle

needs to be able to flex

[young plover]

hmm

[olive sable]

otherwise i imagine it will jsut crack again like the pla did

its not PLA apparently, its recycled ABS

i thought it was PLA cuz brittle, but their recycled ABS seems to be as brittle as PLA

[patent shard]

AV2 will very possibly release the 29th
this information was actually known a few days ago but yeah
but it's just based off information from a commit, so we'll have to wait to know for sure...

[olive sable]

Took me a while to realize its the sequel to AV1 compression

[rancid ore]

oooh

that could be very nice for blender

[kind nimbus]

lets see if it can match the quality of HEVC

[olive sable]

Im mainly hoping for AV1 hardware to be able to do AV2

Or else we'll meed to wait for new gpus

[glass flower]

isn't AV1 better than HEVC?

[olive sable]

Better compression, worse overall image quality

[patent shard]

AV1 already beats HEVC overall for low to medium quality content
AV2 will probably compete against VVC that was released a few years ago

[glass flower]

everytime i record something with HEVC the quality sucks. but its been like half a decade since last i used HEVC

atleast manually. idk if steam or something uses it automatically

[kind nimbus]

better compression but worse quality

[olive sable]

AV1 beats HEVC; at similair bitrates

[glass flower]

that was also my experience with it

[kind nimbus]

yes but high bitrate is where HEVC shines

for your plex / jellyfin 4k library hevc is still best

[patent shard]

I mean, it depends on the content
yeah, if you disable SAO with HEVC and want that pristine foliage in video games, it will pull waaay ahead

[olive sable]

at high bitrates both become indistinguishable to me

depends on settings ofcourse

AV1 generally has better colour banding, or lack of colour banding rather

[patent shard]

yeah, 10-bit compression support is very good with AV1
which you should almost always use

they say it only has like a little over 5% overhead but reaaaaally helps remove posterization

this is just with 8-bit content, though

[olive sable]

seems like AV2 will indeed need new hardware codecs

[patent shard]

of course it will, it's a different codec

[olive sable]

i had copium

[kind nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1488900980253921320/1488901375223136297/neurogta.gif

[patent shard]

I have a feeling AV2 decoders will come very quickly, though
as for encoders, meh, not exciting... AV1 barely beat HEVC and even wasn't hard to lose and still was easy to lose to cpu encoding AVC

I used wasn't hard and still was easy for the same thing

[olive sable]

i remember the intel alchemist being popular for its AV1 encoding

[patent shard]

oh, I just re-read what I typed.. nvm

I was saying AV1 wasn't hard to lose to HEVC with gpu encoding

[olive sable]

oh i see

[patent shard]

yes, I didn't use a comma

[olive sable]

so far av1 is nice with formats like avif. but its not that widespread yet

[patent shard]

yeah, avif just recently got a big boost to overall image quality
previously, heif pretty much beat avif by a little bit every time I tried it
should be much better now

[olive sable]

intel C series is named celestial it seems, but leaks say its gonna be mobile and datacenter only
D for druid it seems

[patent shard]

https://aomedia.org/blog posts/Libavif_v1_4_0-Boasts-Major-Updates-to-Encoder-Technology/

[olive sable]

i ownder how different AV1 will be from AV2

[patent shard]

I wonder how close it will be to VVC
VVC already beat AV1 by around 50% (AV1 took 1.5x the bitrate to be of similar quality) to my eyes with highly detailed content like a video game with a lot of foliage

dang, VVC came out in 2020
earlier than I thought

[patent shard]

I am also going to try reencoding this with AV2
I'm not expecting much improvement in this specific case, though
I really should pick a different song, I'm getting tired of listening to this >.>

I also figured out why it doesn't fill up to 12khz and only goes to 11.5khz
it just does 2x of what the non sbr frequencies are, which makes sense
which actually the non sbr frequencies seem to be going a little over 5400hz here
okay, I'm still confused

I guess they just gave it a 11.5khz cutoff :/

yeah, it's about 5425hz for the sbr frequency switch....
so that'd be 11.85khz if it was 2x :/

[tiny edge]

programs.gamemode.settings.gpu.apply_gpu_optimizations = "accept-responsibility";

[mild sage]

like this video for building server/workstation/server pc as well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUzCNFFCU2g

[faint sandal]

I store my long term vods with av1

[patent shard]

yeah, low to medium quality it's great
high quality is where it falls apart

[true hemlock]

i have another comment. he didn't get lucky that it booted. threadripper is generally pretty forgiving

its the server for rich newbies

he def didn't tighten the socket well so one of the memory channel was dropped

[patent shard]

that's not the consensus I was getting from people in here

[true hemlock]

oh i just worked with enough threadripper system to know this

epyc and xeon is far more unforgiving

hell, threadripper is somewhat more forgiving than normal am5

[patent shard]

ah, this isn't comparing to the standard consumer parts

hmm

[true hemlock]

somewhat is

[true hemlock]

consumer parts, it would just scream at you that the ram failed to init and fails to boot

threadripper, it'll just drop that channel and boots

also socketing a threadripper is easier. i don't know how the fuck did he messed it up

the only problem you'll be getting is signal issues with memory channels and PCIe when having undertighted socket on threadripper. the rest of the pins would work almost perfectly fine

honestly glad he didn't get an epyc considering how ass he is at reading manuals, let alone datasheet

[true hemlock]

so in conclusion, im somewhat not impressed

im still salty over how many fuck ups he did

terrible practice for working with workstation parts.

also some of the advices thrown at him is somewhat generic though he managed to do the opposite of it for some advices

[hushed plover]

in his defense,

[inner pike]

seeing the list of mistakes get longer and longer as the stream went on was kinda funny

[hushed plover]

the hard drive falling out had me dying in several ways

[inner pike]

yeah lmao

[patent shard]

it was a 28TB hard drive, I read?

[kind nimbus]

The entire stream had me dying inside the whole time

[hushed plover]

14 tb iirc

[patent shard]

oh

that's smol

[hushed plover]

smadge

[inner pike]

this was also realy fucking funny

[hushed plover]

we need to find joy in the pain

[patent shard]

he should of gotten the... what were they?

[hushed plover]

brains

[inner pike]

this was the first neuro stream i had fully watched in a long time, this was genuinely peak

[patent shard]

44tb hard drives

[hushed plover]

damn we're almost up to 44 tb hdds

[patent shard]

they are 44tb...

https://www.seagate.com/stories/articles/seagate-delivers-industrys-highest-capacity-hard-drives-with-next-generation-mozaic-4/

[hushed plover]

oh i meant available to consumers

those ones are set to launch in Q3/Q4

still insane

[patent shard]

the 26/28tb were actually for consumers, though
and were $285 and $330 from serverpartdeals
but they've gone up or maybe just aren't even available anymore, idk

[hushed plover]

its $300 for a REFURBISHED 12 tb drive now

[patent shard]

[high brook]

i love maxxing my vram 15.716Gi/15.929Gi

i would pool it with my 3060 but it would honestly slow my training

[patent shard]

it's hurting my head reading the article I posted
they are using so many big words to try to sound impressive

[kind nimbus]

I need this for my storage server

[high brook]

im glad i got that 14TB drive for 60 USD last year

it was at an estate sale and the folks didnt know what they had

[kind nimbus]

Damn that's extremely cheap

I got two 18TB Toshiba MG09 sata drives and paid i think 279€ each.

[high brook]

oh dude it was a once in a liftime steal. when i saw it i though it was a 4 not a 14

[stark needle]

Didn't u have 3090 damn

Or was that superbox

[high brook]

no that's superbox

[stark needle]

Oh

Damn

[high brook]

I got a 5060 ti

[stark needle]

I mean it's still a rly good card

[kind nimbus]

Would have gotten 10 of those and put them in a big zraid lol

[high brook]

also a steal. only 360 USD at the bottom of the GPU market last year

[high brook]

it was only the one

[patent shard]

I think I saw $370, hmm

[stark needle]

yeah that looks like a rly good deal

[patent shard]

but, yeah

16gb of vram for even $370 is really good

[stark needle]

i mean ive seen 3060s down to 200 or even 100 used at some point but still a good deal for a new card

yeah the vram is good cause 12gb gpu is ez

but 16 is usually 450 or something

[high brook]

i got my 3060 about 6 month before the 5060 TI to replace my 1070. i paid 250 for it

ever try to train AI on a 1070? it's a pain

[patent shard]

I was tempted to get a $370 or whatever 16gb 5060 ti but I really didn't need it

[high brook]

i didnt either, but i had th emoney at the time. now given the Prices of everything, I'm glad i did

[stark needle]

yep no tensor cores was a pain

i remember my tesla p40 lol

[high brook]

8 GB vram as well

[floral hawk]

I've started work on Zero's game SDK, Im thinking minecraft as her first since I already have it almost done, but what are some others you guys would recommend? Im generally trying to avoid fast paced reflex games right now, with the exception of hollow knight. I wanna experiment with it since it's 2d and she wouldnt have to compute 3d movement

[stark needle]

and that was alr 1080 ti level

[patent shard]

I have a 12gb 3080 as a backup if my current gpu fails, so.. meh
I mean... maybe still wouldn't have hurt..

[stark needle]

i have 12gb 4070 ti if any of my 3090s were to fail

ima be honest that card was so fast but the vram was trash

[floral hawk]

Thats my current GBU

[stark needle]

i couldnt actually do any training on 4070 ti

[floral hawk]

I can do minor stuff but nothing in depth tbh

[stark needle]

now that i have 248gb vram available i dont need to worry anymore i think

otherwise i just rent

[patent shard]

speaking of gpus, what do you do if the gpu is stuck in the slot

[floral hawk]

Holy jesus

248gb? how the fuck

[high brook]

on what fucking card?

[stark needle]

2 GB10 connected with 200gbit infiniband + 2 3090s in my normal pc

[floral hawk]

Ahh

[high brook]

ah Memory: 128 GB of shared LPDDR5X unified memory (speeds up to 8533 MT/s)

[stark needle]

its actually quite good for training like the whole "it's slow" comes from r/localllama copium buyers

[floral hawk]

Hey btw, what do you guys think of a server rack running tesla cards? I'm leaning into heavier stuff now and I'd like more capabilities.

[high brook]

oh i dont mind slow.

[floral hawk]

Quadro/Tesla are noteable bc they seem to be accessable. I can buy like 10 for the price of a normal 24gb card

[high brook]

HGL i like having two cards. I can run traning on the 5060 ti and play my games on the 3060, or run a smaller oad on the 3060

[stark needle]

I can get ~20000t/s when properly optimizing it in training throughput on a 8B active parameter LLM, thats 1.728 billion tokens per day

on the gb10

[high brook]

so a couple few

[stark needle]

technically i have 3 GB10 but one is not connected to the rest so technically i have 348gb

1 founders edition and 2 lenovo ones

[opaque wharf]

Sweet, programming is back to normal

[high brook]

it was 2nd livestream chat for awhile, but smarter

[stark needle]

yeah lmao yesterday was wild

we were laughing our ass off in vr

watching the stream

[floral hawk]

You guys play vrchat?

[stark needle]

ye

[floral hawk]

Addmeeee

I need people to hang with in there, its so dead these days unless youre in private instances

[high brook]

woo. riding that line 15.848Gi/15.929Gi]

[stark needle]

yeah the private instances are the only good ones

[patent shard]

so how cooked am I
it's been like this for a very long time and works fine.. but the gpu won't come out

[stark needle]

public is just kids or stupid people

[floral hawk]

Yeah its ass

[stark needle]

oh boy

[high brook]

RIP

[stark needle]

maybe with a screwdriver u can force it open but it might damage the capacitors and stuff underneath

[patent shard]

the chipset also loves to constantly run 85-90C
but, hey, it's been doing that for years and still chugging along
I was going to take the gpu out and use a riser to get it away from the chipset but, whelp
oh well

[high brook]

sigh. i installed my CPU cooler backward and ran it like that for a vbout 3 years. only realized it when i upgraded cpu. runs 25 C cooler since

[patent shard]

it's a Asus x570 plus
but, yeah, been running most of the time 85C+ sometimes even low 90s for a few years now and still chugging along
if I turn gpu fan up, it'd help a lot.. but the noise :/
turning chipset fan up barely does anything, gpu fan helps cool it more than anything

if the temperature is accurate I think it's like right on the edge of drastically accelerating degradation
wow, that was a crazy three words to say
but so far it's fine

[high brook]

i sleep with a fan so when i run my train runs overnight it doesnt both me

been running this model for about an hour with under 100mb vram free.

i use to do that with RVC models on my 1070, but i only had a single card, sp ive goten good at nailing that line

[patent shard]

hmm
if it even uses the smallest amount of dram, it will exponentially slow down
if it's PyTorch, at least

oh, RVC

[high brook]

oh I'm not training an RVC RN. I'n Training a whisper model

auto labeling

it's for neurosynth

[patent shard]

I just know PyTorch can't use dram.. at least, I think
so if you run out of vram, it directly starts uses disk memory
fun

[high brook]

nope! I'll just OOM

honestly audio length affects the vram usage on this a lot.

most of my samples are under 10 seconds so thathelps a lot woth keeping the vram bumps from getting crazy

[patent shard]

I kind of wish PyTorch would use dram and not disk memory.. it just can't
because dram used as vram can be quite usable with only mild to moderate slow down
not whatever dumpster fire PyTorch has

[high brook]

basically i took the entire neuro synth dataset amd I'm traiing a labeling model on it

[high brook]

dunno. i've just OOM when i hit the vram cap. guess it's not a linux thing, or i just dont have it on

at least accuracy it going up

[patent shard]

or training just doesn't allow it because it would slow down to unusable speeds

[high brook]

true

though my infernace loads aren't that heavy

so far so good

alingmnt is pretty good too

[stark needle]

fyi

decoupled learning rates help a lot

[high brook]

ill have to figure out how to do that

not my software though lol

[stark needle]

ok yea may be difficult to adapt in that case

[high brook]

eh i figured out how to paralelize the code.

not worth it thouh

more batch but less speed

plus i can use all my vram

cant

[stark needle]

ok then simply

dont use only 1 optimizer, duplicate the optimizer and have 1 for encoder, 1 for decoder and 1 for the token embeddings/lm_head

[high brook]

how much will that help with audio models?

[stark needle]

1e-6 on embeddings/lm_head, higher learning rate on encoder, lower for encoder

[stark needle]

helps a lot for encoder-decoder transformers

(which whisper is)

[high brook]

ah

fair

[stark needle]

@high brook https://unsloth.ai/blog/contpretraining

this is on decoder transformers but same thing on encoder-decoders, there was some paper from the T5 era that showed for that specifically but dont remember name

[high brook]

hm

[opaque wharf]

Oh man, reading old paper really tells the difference between academic of the old age vs now

They provide the exact computer they use to perform the numerical calculation, the equation, the resulting data as a table, and even a fortran source code

Meanwhile modern paper is just "Here, equation. Go figure how"

No wonder we have replication crisis

[jagged turtle]

so

how we feeling after the server building stream today

[sage crag]

build new discord server

[marble burrow]

I hope this guy is just a good ragebaiter and all was faked

[jagged turtle]

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/coelho-bunny-cute-bow-ribbon-gif-12969923437908252017

[rigid snow]

aaaaaaaaaa

good morning

[west sage]

it's 9 hours after the stream and I am still anxious of how he did handle all that expensive stuff

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

goo

[rigid snow]

i love goo

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-cute-gif-14063524

[rigid snow]

🐇

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

yeah hi

[sage crag]

ye

[tender river]

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

neuriowave

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

[tender river]

neuriowavea

[jagged turtle]

I need to watch the stream today so I can do SNN recaps for Scribes but from what I'm hearing I think I should save myself

[west sage]

that stream took like 5 years out of my life

[tender river]

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-head-cat-metal-mental-gif-25946742

[west sage]

but it was fun to some degree, if you are well versed in pc bulding you will suffer for sure

[tender river]

lang runtime development might be the least gratifying programming project i've done so far

[rigid snow]

sounds fun enough

make program in language work waow

[stark needle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/rabbit-cute-3

[sage crag]

[stark needle]

[west rock]

soooo its the day after the server/bomb build... how we feeling?

[sleek galleon]

Im...confused

[opaque wharf]

It just makes whatever MCU that firmware flashed into a very fancy UART-UART converter

[sleek galleon]

-# i genuinelly understand nothing of that

I dont think i was at work when our job giver taught us this

[opaque wharf]

That code is arduino framework code

[sleek galleon]

That much ik

[opaque wharf]

Then you should know what a serial is

[rigid snow]

it just forwards whatever you write into the serial console to the gsm controller and what it outputs back into the serial console

if i inferred correctly that it is a gsm controller

[opaque wharf]

Not even need to be gsm controller

[rigid snow]

ye it can be whatever

[olive sable]

neighbours daughter ringed the doorbell to kill a spider

didnt even know the neighbours had a daughter

but ye, im awake now and have one more sin

[opaque wharf]

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

the spider was absolutely huge too, i was also scared

[kind fable]

The epic photo screenshot

[sleek galleon]

Its not my pc and im too lazy to login to discord

[olive sable]

we ran out of milk

gotta go to the store i guess

[jagged turtle]

btw

does anyone have a timestamp or message link to when #programming started losing it over the server building stream

need it for something

[olive sable]

start around here

maybe a bit earlier or later depending on how busy you want it to be

[rigid snow]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[olive sable]

the time we had a lot of random people that werent regulars is around here

[rigid snow]

https://fixupx.com/leerob/status/2058577150500909108

Lee Robinson (@leerob)

You might believe you should spend less time thinking about code because of AI.
︀︀
︀︀I strongly disagree! We’re watching this play out live where tons of AI generated code becomes a liability.
︀︀
︀︀At the end of the day, an engineer needs to be responsible / on call for code that gets shipped to production. If you don’t understand the system you’re trying to debug, you’re probably going to have a bad time.
︀︀
︀︀Yes, AI can help with all of this, if you set up the proper systems. You can have agents triage prod logs, look at errors, etc. You can speed up parts of the investigation, but an engineer needs to make the call. There might be serious customer or financial implications from that change.
︀︀
︀︀I expect the trend continue for trimming dependencies, vendoring code so you can modify it directly, preferring simpler systems with fewer abstractions, and spending waaaay more time thinking about system design and code maintenance.…

FixupX · May 24, 2026, 3:53 PM

are they getting it

[jagged turtle]

I mean to an extent trimming dependencies should be encourraged

[rough bloom]

a reasonable take? on that platform?

[rigid snow]

from a cursor devrel btw

[rough bloom]

nvm they may not be getting it

[rigid snow]

[wheat blaze]

Id he read anything useful from discord on stream or only complains?

[burnt spade]

I have a question: Is neuro-sama an AI pretrained model that has a workaround around the model so that she can be like a human or is neuro a model that vedal trained from scratch?

[wheat blaze]

Probability workaround

[burnt spade]

but how big is the base model? is it like a normal 14B or even bigger like 32B model?

really interesting to see how he pulled this off

[vital lily]

Microsoft could really take notes considering the state of Windows 11 updates they bragged were written 30% by AI lol.

[olive sable]

neuro is most likely made form a pretrained model that was fine-tuned to be huma-alike. we dont know the specifics of the model size or anything tho

[burnt spade]

okay

[jagged turtle]

oh ffs

[jagged turtle]

timestamp?

[wheat blaze]

Wait didn't include that

Lazy to rewatch tho

[wheat blaze]

Or u search the transcript

Just search transcript with the captions of my screenshot

Uh is this an upgrade or downgrade pc

[olive sable]

rtx 6000 ada 96gb right?

wait, ada doesnt have 96gb, so its a blackwell indeed

ye the 6000 completely beats the previous 4090 he used

[sage crag]

@stark needle

@stark needle

@stark needle

[sage crag]

[stark needle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bunny-fox-1

[sage crag]

kill

ye

me scary

[stark needle]

[sage crag]

thats a fennec fox

[wheat blaze]

Including the way he assemble
Is it upgrade still? Lol
Also all components seem to be either upgrade or same right?

[olive sable]

wdym including the way he assemble?

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-cute-gif-14063524

[olive sable]

the cpu is most likely an upgrade for multi-core, idk about single core tho.
what were his old specs again?

the ram is an upgrade due to the cpu being 8 channel while the old one was 2 channel

only 4 channels are populated tho, so its a 2x improvement, while he could have gotten 4x improvement

[fiery canopy]

wasnt the old just veds old pc

so i9 14900k

or sm shit

it said in bio

[olive sable]

he had 2 pcs, so idk which one was neuros

[fiery canopy]

i910900k

the one in bio

is neuros

because his has the rzen 9

from last pc build

atleast was neuros

I mean

lmfao

[wheat blaze]

So after all these issues it still boot up lol

[stark needle]

[fiery canopy]

im more supprised it didnt burst into flames

im ngl

[wheat blaze]

lol

[fiery canopy]

Watching that shit live

[red mica]

I mean it died instantly every time, but yea sure it boots up

[fiery canopy]

was pure tortue

[olive sable]

it was close there for a sec. if he mixed up PSU cables it could have happened

[fiery canopy]

He got hella lucky

he did not know what the fuck was what

[wheat blaze]

Oof

[fiery canopy]

Litterally gamballing

atp

[wheat blaze]

Wanna dm him? Lol
Of how close

[olive sable]

no

[wheat blaze]

I wonder what places can we post thee stuff

[olive sable]

thats not allowed

[wheat blaze]

Probably no where

Yea ik

Imagine if there is

[wheat blaze]

How did ppl warn him on last vedal x filian cook stream where filian burn lava lamp?

[proven merlin]

I think so, yes. There are guides for win11 to enable it again.. if they work or not, idk.

[fiery canopy]

The programming channel was the most active I have ever seen it,

[wheat blaze]

The time when filian almost ko heeself

[fiery canopy]

he was actually listening to chat

then googled

it

[wheat blaze]

Oh he's not blind yeah

This time he is blind

[fiery canopy]

iirc

[wheat blaze]

I almost never chat here, only chat on nn

[red mica]

faster than livestream chat at some points lmao

[wheat blaze]

#neurotic-neurons

[fiery canopy]

for most of the more dangerous / gamba stuff it was

My ass switched devices 3 times over the course of the stream from me wanting to keep watching the trainwreck, [with #programming still open and chatting in there]

[sage crag]

[fiery canopy]

I remeber the spam to get him to check the fuckin starboard and shit when he just didnt

[proven merlin]

In the end, he didnt make any major mistakes, but damn if he got close.
We did overreact a little (probably due to the cost of the system lol)

[fiery canopy]

or ignored it

[olive sable]

compared to a 14900K, the threadripper pro 9965WX seems to indeed be worse at single core, but better at multicore.
the base clockspeed is also higher. more L3 cache and such too.

[fiery canopy]

it was a 10900k

not 14

I was mistaken initally

[olive sable]

10900k isnt used anymore

[fiery canopy]

is it not

[olive sable]

that was before the upgrade to 14900K in 2024 no?

[vital lily]

It became Neurotic Neurons 2: Electric Boogaloo.

[fiery canopy]

nah it bercame #livestream-chat 2 , and nn became #livestream-chat 3

in that case

more so

its the most ontopic , offtopic shit I have ever seen

for this channel

I havent dared to look at twitter

[stark needle]

i hate

[fiery canopy]

is there any posts yet

[stark needle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/buny-bunny

[sage crag]

[proven merlin]

Lmao the part where we found the cable in the manual and somehow had to funnel it to him

[red mica]

thats how u know it was a good stream lol

[amber fractal]

That makes sense, this channel is never on topic

[wheat blaze]

What?

[proven merlin]

Yeah

[wheat blaze]

How u guys funnel it to him if he don't read chat

[sullen spindle]

lol does he still not have that screwdriver

[wheat blaze]

Nor discord

[fiery canopy]

we were funelling through neuro

[red mica]

we tried our best

[wheat blaze]

Wait what was he using if he didn't use screwdriver

[fiery canopy]

it worked sometimes

[amber fractal]

[wheat blaze]

Lol

[fiery canopy]

he was using the wrong screwdriver

[wheat blaze]

• on -?

Or - on +?

[red mica]

and also cloud was dming him so that was our main point of communication. worked at least twice

[wheat blaze]

Who's cloud

[fiery canopy]

cloudburt

[red mica]

Cloudburst. Mod

[fiery canopy]

cloudburst*

[sullen spindle]

I mean the one that was talked about during the PC build stream

[proven merlin]

We were posting screenshots of the manual here and some mods sent it to him, or he himself looked here or starboard (hopefully)
(Images as example of what we tried to get through to him)

[sage crag]

ORB

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-cute-gif-14063524

[wheat blaze]

Bruh he's having free teachers but he don't want

[sullen spindle]

The reply in the image mentioned him not having one

[fiery canopy]

he saw the issues ,l ist from what I understand actually half read the shortened one, then proceeded to ignore it for 5 minutes before giving into reading the manuals

[wheat blaze]

He trust his instincts

[proven merlin]

Yeah thats the vibe i got aswell.

[olive sable]

[wheat blaze]

So many free teachers

[amber fractal]

[fiery canopy]

This is what happens when you have alot of people who care abt this shit, and you do it so horrendously wrong you give them an anyurism so they try to force help you 💀

[proven merlin]

And previous research. I think he would have managed without any help too, but the pressure from streaming probably removed 10-20 iq points

[wheat blaze]

Lol

[rigid snow]

[fiery canopy]

I am now trying to find the right serach to find hte cursed posts , related to the server building stream

[proven merlin]

He did do a lot of things correctly, he just skipped a few things, probably to speed up the point to where it posts so he can finish the build offstream

[wheat blaze]

Btw which chat is usually most interesting/active here?
I usually check #neurotic-neurons only

[rigid snow]

eitehr nn or genchat

[proven merlin]

Im personally only here

[wheat blaze]

Like what he skip?

[sullen spindle]

This one

[wheat blaze]

Can the PC boot up with some stuff undone?

[rigid snow]

depending on what you like. this one is cozier though

[proven merlin]

Plugging in the AIO pump thats connected to the radiator on his model

[wheat blaze]

Which would be needed for what?

As starting up don't need it

Without it he can't do what stiff

[proven merlin]

So the water goes from the cpu block to the cooler block

[rigid snow]

basically anything that would put load on the system

[wheat blaze]

Oh so he can't use the PC too long

[rigid snow]

ye

[proven merlin]

Aka avoids the cpu from overheating and shutting off after 2 minutes

[wheat blaze]

Lol

Opppp

[proven merlin]

3-4 minutes in bios, and avoids the water boiling in the cpu block

[opaque wharf]

The whole #programming to vedal at that time

[proven merlin]

Lmao

[fiery canopy]

lmao

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1322352563563266108/VEEEEDALLL.gif

remeber this gif

[rigid snow]

[fiery canopy]

idek who made it

[rigid snow]

ancient

[sullen spindle]

Lol what's that about?

[proven merlin]

Im conflicted, would i take that deal? On one side, once 10k, sure, but also monthly is better but ehh idk if i can keep shut lol

[fiery canopy]

on abt 3 occassions I was tempted to go buy alchohol to attempt to watch the stream [I succeded in not so we ball]

[opaque wharf]

Vedal would have to pay me that much to shut up while watching him build the server

Because it is just THAT torturing

[fiery canopy]

same

[sullen spindle]

Oh i see lol

[fiery canopy]

Ved made me wanna go bash my head through my solid brick walls on multiple occasions during that 4 hour torture session

[proven merlin]

Please tell me if you find anything. I wonder if anyone posted about this channel lol

[wheat blaze]

Turtle means torture

[sullen spindle]

Lucky for me I'm to busy picking up info to learn stuff because i barely know a thing about it.

[fiery canopy]

theres a couple

but not really anything too interesting yet

I will probably go send a dm to sm1 who will start smthin off later

https://x.com/search?q=vedal server build stream until%3A2026-05-26 since%3A2026-05-24&f=top&src=typed_query

vedal server build stream until:2026-05-26 since:2026-05-24 - Searc...

X

this will roughly find the stuff rn

sm1 else could probably make the search terms

better

[proven merlin]

Damn, cant look cuz no twitter account and xcancel ain't doing it

[fiery canopy]

gg

[sullen spindle]

One of the benefits autism has for me. If i am constantly thinking rational then i will be basically unaffected by any emotional triggers because i won't even notice if there would be any

[olive sable]

define interesting

is autism interesting to you?

[fiery canopy]

ehhh Iv had a twitter account for a solid while

[fiery canopy]

We will almost definitely be seing reaction videos

over the course of today

And tmrw

[spring nexus]

NN is the best, don't listen to anybody

[sullen spindle]

If you are asking me then no i meant i have it

[olive sable]

[spring nexus]

Check who they're replying to

[fiery canopy]

just had sm1 random call me

tf

[sullen spindle]

Was just coincidence right after i talked about it i was just verifying

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-neuro-sama-vtuber-steals-gif-14040199139323424985

[wheat blaze]

Maybe? Idk too

[olive sable]

#programming has the highest autism levels of any channel

[fiery canopy]

ye

it does tend to

tbf

[sullen spindle]

Lol makes sense

[wheat blaze]

I think most active?

[olive sable]

the autims here is very active

[wheat blaze]

On what topics?

Programming?

[fiery canopy]

I find it funny that #programming became the most active channel in the server for a period of time, thanks to ved

[wheat blaze]

Like python?

[wheat blaze]

Most active probably general chat or nn

[olive sable]

anything hardware, software, baking, cooking, and fashion

[fiery canopy]

its almost defo nn

[hard delta]

banana dog!

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-nervous-banana-dog-anxious-gif-15761092

not the gif i tried to find but a welcome suprise

[hard delta]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

banan dog accept

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[fiery canopy]

anyone remotely related to tech who does reaction shit is gonna be getting spammed to react to the Stream Vod / videos made by clippers

Most likely

Over the next couple days

[olive sable]

yep

[spring nexus]

Lovely

[hard delta]

peak youtube era incoming

[olive sable]

we were joking baout the LTT reaction, but i feel like its not tooo impossible

[fiery canopy]

honeslty if we don't get one I would be supprised

this stream was avg well over 14k viewers

Neuro is so much more well known now

as a whole

so

[jagged turtle]

• hardware
• software
• security
• ai
• networking
• gaming
• baking
• cooking
• fashion
• autism

[spring nexus]

You'd be surprised

[fiery canopy]

ehh

so would you

[spring nexus]

We be out here surprising each other

[fiery canopy]

People who had no idea I know IRL, have asked me abt it since the last subathoin and such.

[sullen spindle]

new vids fit for a reaction chain have been more frequently uploaded last few weeks.

[fiery canopy]

We will soon see

who will react

[jagged turtle]

wut?

[fiery canopy]

and we will almost defenitely see some big names come into this

[sullen spindle]

Neuro scribes had two uploaded recently that were interesting

[jagged turtle]

*swarm scribes

and ya don't need to tell me that

[fading heart]

i usually lurk but the stream was so torturous i had to talk about it somewhere

its insane

[sullen spindle]

I don't know. Wut didn't really say much about what it meant

[jagged turtle]

I meant like, what vids were fit for a reaction chain

[sullen spindle]

Mb i noticed your name

Misconceptions and how Neuro games

[jagged turtle]

[sullen spindle]

Comments of the swarm were all talking about expecting them

The reaction vids i mean

[olive sable]

swarm scribes?

what that?

[sullen spindle]

Yt channel

[sullen spindle]

Neuro scribes

[jagged turtle]

yes

[sullen spindle]

Wait

[jagged turtle]

no it's swarm scribes

[sullen spindle]

Sorry I haven't eaten

[olive sable]

might watch later

[jagged turtle]

an interesting youtube channel

[olive sable]

[sullen spindle]

I am bad with names and low blood sugar makes me often mix up words

[jagged turtle]

am the most of them all

[sullen spindle]

Yeah very good quality editing and informative

[jagged turtle]

[sullen spindle]

1 or 2 people don't talk for a moment and it suddenly is much less active. Went fast

[jagged turtle]

we're busy ok

[sullen spindle]

I don't mean anything with it i just didn't notice until it suddenly was quiet. I just found it funny how it can go so fast

[hard delta]

what's incredible

[sullen spindle]

Dynamics interest me

[hard delta]

is that i only felt like 30% of the pain others did

and i never fully lost faith that it would post

[last nest]

It didn't really surprise me that it did. Hardware has become a lot more durable over the years.

[jagged turtle]

yea

I think manufacturers realised users can be oopid sometimes

[leaden crest]

I did in fact enjoy this video

[dull egret]

Wanna add this one?

That this cable is not used for redundant supplies, but only for booting auxiliary supplies?

Not sure if that was discussed. I know the mismatch was.

I mean, this doesn't even have a 24-pin connector on the other PSU's side. How did he think it can deliver power, if the main one died?

@true hemlock

[last nest]

I don't believe the second was meant for redundancy?

[dull egret]

He mentioned redundancy...

Although he mentioned both... So it was also kinda unclear what he meant

[olive sable]

I think that was on the list ye

We breefly discussed it in vr

Horrible typo

[jagged turtle]

minor spelling mistake

[opaque wharf]

What could it possibly typo to

[rigid snow]

the word still has a typo in it

if sam knew it's "briefly" then it wouldn't have looked that bad

[kind fable]

i swear i'm gonna ban linode instances
i'm gonna kick the ass of whoever 172-105-82-111.ip.linodeusercontent.com is
I swear it account for most my traffic and a specific one does most of it

[jagged turtle]

also @true hemlock will forever be known as "Ragebait Victim" (or some variation of it)

[rigid snow]

it was meant to be

[last nest]

I mean in that case he indeed shouldn't have gone for two regular ATX units. There are some specific units where you have two smaller ones within a ATX sized chassis which will supply redundancy but no clue if those are available with the amount of power/wattage he requires.

[dull egret]

I tried looking a few up. They're expensive as FUCK

[fiery canopy]

you can get

[sick owl]

I'm melting chat

[fiery canopy]

ones which arent an arm and a leg

but they are annoying to get

[fiery canopy]

same

[sick owl]

Its so hot I'm only playing indie games because I don't want my AIO radiator to pump out any more heat

What a way to spend a bank holiday

[fiery canopy]

Its 32*C in my room,

[rigid snow]

[last nest]

You're not wrong. But I mean it's also a niche part. A lot of people with homelabs that use custom build servers just use a single desktop ATX power supply without any redundancy (myself included).

It's not like they're all that prone to failure when using one from a reputable brand.

[sick owl]

Likewise

CPU under 5% load btw

[fiery canopy]

I am quite litterally about to go out and turn my pc off for like 3 hours to try cool my room down slightly

Ever so slightly

[atomic umbra]

i found OS heaven https://virtualosmuseum.org/

[dull egret]

No, I get that. That's just not what I was saying.

I was saying that if he was going for redundant PSU's, that's the wrong way to do it, and that cable doesn't even look like it would make sense

[last nest]

Yeah okay fair enough

Does kinda make me wonder if you could get two of those redundant ATX power supply units and connect them together to also increase total available wattage. Don't see why not but it would be expensive as hell.

[proven merlin]

Ey, my desktop hasnt run a lot in 1.5 years because of it. I now have a laptop that i can game on downstairs/in the basement because its way cooler there

[warped narwhal]

7w is insane

My 5950x idles at 50w

[olive sable]

Esl moment

[olive sable]

[fiery canopy]

Gg

[rigid snow]

bad excuse, where i'm from i'm as far as it gets from needing to know english

[sage crag]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bunny-fox-1

[kind nimbus]

Yeah i already posted this here 2 days ago

[jagged turtle]

[olive sable]

You must understand im esl and stupid

Its a combo

[sage crag]

google deepmind Turing NN initiative

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-avengers-endgame-old-man-i-dont-think-i-will-gif-14669627

[olive sable]

Brother how am i supposed to know

Just run the code and see if it works

[silent cloak]

U cant read code?

[split steppe]

all programs halt because i pour water on the pc

[olive sable]

Depends on the language

[split steppe]

if it's an imperative language i can read all code

[sage crag]

thats the joke

its a play on the halting problem

[olive sable]

Is this the part where i google the halting problem?

[sage crag]

no