programming

[umbral wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-yapping-i-stand-at-the-end-of-my-days-i-have-sinned-at-the-end-of-my-days-speed-talking-gif-17714085846938483931

[olive sable]

i skip the ai stuff cuz gamedev. for example this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wibbnn3hV4U

you think "ooh, lemme see some code"

and then

you get this https://wanghmin.github.io/publication/zhang-2025-pie/

where is the code?

[umbral wigeon]

in air

Try grab it

New topic pls

Chat looks slient

I'm sacred

[olive sable]

you cant force these things

[nocturne olive]

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-let-me-wahh-wild-go-gif-13490041

Huamin Wang
Chief Scientist

only repo is his first compute shader he made 3 years ago

[umbral wigeon]

I'm lonely me roblox dev alone

https://tenor.com/view/pixelmoo-pixel-moo-moodeng-moo-deng-they-don't-know-gif-5894306404515405810

[olive sable]

imagine being roblox dev

[umbral wigeon]

Roblox is down bad right now lmao

So I'm gonna switch to open source maintainer

Or engineer

: P

[olive sable]

at least engineer gets paid

open source maintainer is just asking to be homeless

[umbral wigeon]

yeah ngl

[umbral wigeon]

cus I'm open source maintainer rn

because solo game dev is insanely hard

anyone tryna do solo game dev, you gonna be some tough dev

[olive sable]

game dev isnt hard, its a lot of effort

[umbral wigeon]

Yeah

[opaque wharf]

@olive sable send this to 10 of your friends dm to avoid bad luck

[olive sable]

nah

i embrace the bad luck

LMAO a 2 minute paper video about hair sim framed it as some new and cool technique, and then i dig a bit deeper and get to a 16 year old youtube video

[umbral wigeon]

LGTM!

[kind fable]

Impossible to avoid says the ecosystems with package managers where it happen
https://fxtwitter.com/vxunderground/status/2057982277485822236

vx-underground (@vxunderground)

Quoting Aikido Security (@AikidoSecurity)
︀
🚨 Ongoing supply chain attack on Composer packages! We just found multiple laravel-lang/* packages compromised on Packagist (lang, http-statuses, attributes). Payload runs at autoload time. At least 50 package versions were compromised.
︀︀
︀︀If you installed a compromised version, the malware already executed. Pin to a clean COMMIT (not version) and rotate secrets immediately.
︀︀
︀︀If your lockfile already had an older commit from before today, you are safe. But you should not update at the moment.

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FxTwitter · May 23, 2026, 12:29 AM

[opaque wharf]

I'm just here vibing with my obscure package that is not high profile enough to get targeted

[maiden geyser]

why can't they just shut it down? are they smart?

[umbral wigeon]

Shut it down? How?

[minor trout]

has anyone ever tried making a digital entity

[tender river]

[sage crag]

please describe what a digital entity is for the students in the back of the class

[sullen spindle]

Unless the meaning in this context is very different than how it would normally be looked at then it is an issue of Youn can stop this but then another will have taken it's place already as on a multitude of things to take care of appear while you stop a multitude of things that already have arrived

[minor trout]

basically an ai that can do everything a human can do on a computer

[sage crag]

nope never been tried before in history

you can be the first

by all means go for it

[faint sandal]

a ghost

in my computer

[minor trout]

i may need to think about what humans can actually do on a computer

[sage crag]

whats their name

[maiden geyser]

clawdbot, send this user to Brazil

[faint sandal]

luigi

[sage crag]

very insightful

truly profound

[sullen spindle]

Wouldn't that be made impossible by the fact that the AI is in a computer and a human outside

[sage crag]

human can punch the computer screen

[olive sable]

just giving them access to keyboard and mouse input to do whatever?

[minor trout]

they gotta think and have intent

[sage crag]

thats not digital entity enough

[olive sable]

[faint sandal]

give them a physical rat

[olive sable]

why not?

[sullen spindle]

An AI controlling a humanoid robot using the computer

[sage crag]

no soul, consciousness, guilt, regret, pain, or suffering

[minor trout]

i was thinking more of a daemon living on my computer

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

daemon is exisitng concept

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

see wiki page for daemon

[sage crag]

bonzai buddy

digital entity

[maiden geyser]

have you tried finding a digital exorcist first

[sage crag]

p

[minor trout]

don't know what an exorcist is

[maiden geyser]

OYYYYYYYY

[faint sandal]

see wiki page for demon

[sage crag]

see wiki page for

[minor trout]

demon

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-cute-gif-14063524

[minor trout]

bunny

so cute

[faint sandal]

see wiki page for

[olive sable]

bnuy

[faint sandal]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HIlDvIEWsAAnbEI.webp

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/coelho-bunny-cute-bow-ribbon-gif-12969923437908252017

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kobayashi-dragon-maid-kanna-kobayashi-anime-cute-gif-24018128

[tender river]

what was the

mito song

[sage crag]

leaf dent

[minor trout]

what would a multiple llm (multi model)+vlm+world model+symbolic ai+agent(openclaw) be?

[sullen spindle]

Is this a good discription

[tender river]

leaf flexible

[sage crag]

no

leaf dent

hence ductile not flexible

distinct

[olive sable]

i know multimodal, i know vllm, but what is "world model" or "symbolic ai" supposed to mean?

[tender river]

o right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65P5Cbgyr2A

[sage crag]

its sentienceslop

[minor trout]

symbolic ai runs only on logics

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

every ai runs on logic

thats how the puter putes

[minor trout]

world model you can go search it up yourself

[sage crag]

[sullen spindle]

Humans too. Emotion is just very complex logic

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

kinda

i dont know the specifics

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-cute-gif-14063524

youre unqualified

[olive sable]

yes

[minor trout]

kind of because llm predict

[sage crag]

youre also unqualified

[olive sable]

that's how the tech works ye. how are you planning to not do that?

[minor trout]

Symbolic AI (also known as "classical AI" or GOFAI—Good Old-Fashioned AI) is an approach that builds intelligent systems by manipulating human-readable symbols and logical rules, rather than relying on statistical patterns. that's what gemini says

[opaque wharf]

Gemini also says stuff that I cannot send here

[nocturne olive]

[minor trout]

Strengths: Highly transparent, explainable, and reliable for strict logic-based tasks (like math or medical diagnoses) because you can always trace exactly why the AI made a decision.
Limitations: Poor at handling ambiguity, noise, or unstructured data (like recognizing a blurry photo of a cat), and the rules cannot easily adapt without human intervention.

so it's not like the best ai but there's something called a neuro-symbolic ai

[nocturne olive]

That makes no sense

[olive sable]

so symbolic ai is top-down while chatgpt is bottom-up

[sullen spindle]

Can you verify that with another AI saying exactly the same thing

[minor trout]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_artificial_intelligence

[minor trout]

Symbolic AI was the dominant paradigm of AI research from the mid-1950s until the mid-1990s.[4] Researchers in the 1960s and the 1970s were convinced that symbolic approaches would eventually succeed in creating a machine with artificial general intelligence and considered this the ultimate goal of their field.

[olive sable]

symbolic ai doesnt exist then, its just standard code

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-animals-gif-17974584

[olive sable]

i could call the skyrim npcs symbolic ai

[nocturne olive]

So symbolic AI == big pile of if-else statements

[maiden geyser]

can we kill this sprout nowwwwwww

[minor trout]

yes

[nocturne olive]

[olive sable]

"symbolic ai", even more so than normal llms. sentience = True

[nocturne olive]

Imagine if we had a "symbolic AI" bubble

[olive sable]

so ye its a bunch of baloney. symbolic ai is trash

[minor trout]

you can't truly have everything from if else statements because there would be too many possibilities which is why it's an abandoned version of ai

[sullen spindle]

In artificial intelligence, symbolic artificial intelligence (also known as classical artificial intelligence or logic-based artificial intelligence)[1][2] is the term for the collection of all methods in artificial intelligence research that are based on high-level symbolic (human-readable) representations of problems, logic, and search.[3] Symbolic AI used tools such as logic programming, production rules, semantic nets and frames, and it developed applications such as knowledge-based systems (in particular, expert systems), symbolic mathematics, automated theorem provers, ontologies, the semantic web, and automated planning and scheduling systems. The Symbolic AI paradigm led to important ideas in search, symbolic programming languages, agents, multi-agent systems, the semantic web, and the strengths and limitations of formal knowledge and reasoning systems.

[olive sable]

you're reinventing siri form 2010

[sullen spindle]

Mb about the size it seemed smaller

[minor trout]

symbolic ai is one of the most efficient ways to prevent hallucinations in llm which is why both often go together

[sage crag]

youtube

[minor trout]

?

wdym youtube

[sage crag]

potato

[rough bloom]

tv

[olive sable]

to prevent hallucinations in llm
its not an llm so its not preventing any hallucinations in llms

its not even doign anything that could be seen as thinking

its switch cases

[sage crag]

youre arguing with a kid

[olive sable]

true

[minor trout]

verifier

[sullen spindle]

Hallucinations are caused by a small amount of nodes that under certain circumstances will not do that they would otherwise do

[olive sable]

basically, there is a reason siri didnt take over the world in 2010

cuz it sucks

[minor trout]

when did i say symbolic ai are the best form of ai

[sullen spindle]

So anything without nodes is effective for no hallucinations

[kind fable]

https://fxtwitter.com/tomieinlove/status/2057609023684559116

tomie (@tomieinlove)

Sometimes I like to have conversations with ChatGPT where I pretend to be a hyper-intelligent model with a quadrillion parameters

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FxTwitter · May 21, 2026, 11:46 PM

[nocturne olive]

No hallucinations are caused by the fact LLMs are probabilistic models that model the text from their datasets, rather than modeling actual intelligence

[minor trout]

yea i agree

they are a part of what might become intelligence but not intelligence as a whole

[nocturne olive]

What the heck even is a "node"

[kind fable]

Yes you're absolutely right ! 😄

[nocturne olive]

LLM in chat

[sullen spindle]

That process is what causes those problematic nodes

This has been proven they can detect them

[kind fable]

Node is problematic in itself

A black hole of module cannot be good

[olive sable]

im relating it back to the original question.
i dont see how you're planning on doing this with switch cases
vllm doesnt apply to this, you can make it mutlimodel sure but then you'd just have 2 scripts doing if-else statements so its pointless.

[sullen spindle]

Supressing only those stopped hallucinations from generating

[nocturne olive]

What the heck is a "node" in an LLM
An LLM is a series of matrices being multiplied on the tokens passing through

[kind fable]

Math

It's just all math

[sullen spindle]

Neural network consists of nodes

[nocturne olive]

No it consists of layers

[olive sable]

the neurons i assume

[nocturne olive]

ANN anyway

[kind fable]

We convert shit into numbers then make it automatically do math and hope the result is good

[sullen spindle]

It's how input is turned to output

[nocturne olive]

That's the layers' job, they're big matrices

[kind fable]

AI are the 2025 casinos

[sage crag]

youre arguing with

[nocturne olive]

You don't really think of individual artificial neurons on an ANN network they're not really neurons

[sullen spindle]

Yes the layers are made up of rows of nodes

[sage crag]

[sullen spindle]

Linked nodes

[sage crag]

[minor trout]

vlm (visual language model). and i don't understand what you're trying to say

[nocturne olive]

They're numbers being multiplied together with the input

It's matrix multiplication

You don't actually compute each neuron individually, you multiply the input matrix of a layer with that layer's matrix

[minor trout]

how old do you think i am

[sage crag]

not old enough✅

[sullen spindle]

The nodes are made of a type of material that has assymetrical magnetic fields because they don't orientate themselves in the same direction and the orientation can be altered by electrical pulses

[sage crag]

[nocturne olive]

Also mathematically this happens to be equivalent to wx + b a whole bunch of times

[sage crag]

troll or mental patient

[sullen spindle]

It's what makes ai trainable

[minor trout]

what is the cause of qualia?

[sage crag]

[nocturne olive]

It's a linear equation

[sage crag]

qualia is just subjective experience

why is chat doing this right now

[minor trout]

and how do we have that?

[kind fable]

I recommend watching this for people who want to understand LLM and stuff
https://youtube.com/@welchlabs

[sage crag]

so much pseudo profundity

[nocturne olive]

Whoever this guy is they don't know aanything about ANN

[kind fable]

It has actually good videos

[minor trout]

like i mean how do we feel the connotations of red?

[sage crag]

yes this is the pseudo profundity

[rough bloom]

[kind fable]

Red doesn't exist

[nocturne olive]

[nocturne olive]

No wonder LLMs are so stupid we have too much natural stupidity

[minor trout]

true if we think it in the sense that all animals see differently

[kind fable]

I assume you mean light at 620 to 750nm

[minor trout]

prob because of a combination of fragile context windows and a lack of common sense and real world knowledge

[kind fable]

It's badly hidden i can see them

[sullen spindle]

This is a neural network and the circles are nodes

[sage crag]

its because people keep ing all over the training data

[kind fable]

And the arrows are edges

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-cute-gif-14063524

[sullen spindle]

Data flow

It basic knowledge

[nocturne olive]

It's the misleading representation
This is just what people use to explain this to non-math people, really this is represented by matrices being multiplied together, computing every single "neuron" individually would be too inefficient

Replace the different sets of colored circles each with one big blob of numbers

[rough bloom]

not really misleading

[nocturne olive]

But in this case it is clearly

[rough bloom]

[nocturne olive]

[sullen spindle]

It can still be used to give a clear indication about what you are referring to

[nocturne olive]

Well either way this guy is very misinformed on how ANN works

[kind fable]

Pyon

[sage crag]

i want to explain things but it would be lost on this channel right now

[flint dome]

https://tenor.com/view/cissia-67-six-seven-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-gif-6313519016784267265

[kind fable]

pyon pyon

[rough bloom]

[nocturne olive]

[sage crag]

aaaa

[kind fable]

pyon

[minor trout]

If emotions are shortcuts to prevent input overload and an abbreviation of the chain of thoughts, how can we get ai to have emotions?

[olive sable]

to put it frankly. what you're trying to do isn't possible.
you cant make a bunch of if statements do full antigenic behavior without having to do billions of switch cases.
you'd have to program its behavior for every single thing it does, there is no way to do it properly
if (at_kitchen) { find_coffee() }
What if the door is closed?
What if the light is off?
What if the coffee is in a red mug vs. a blue mug?
What if there is a cat in the way?
you'd need a trillion lines of code to do one simple task effectively, there is no autonomous reasoning in a switch case. its not AI, its a flowchart
VLM outputs a distribution of pixels, to get that to even mix with a symbolic AI is pretty much not feasable.

[rough bloom]

it is a bad image that explains pretty much nothing
but not really inaccurate, just bad

[minor trout]

but if they don't have qualia, will it ever be possible?

[nocturne olive]

By making something that isn't an LLM

[kind fable]

emotions are input overload

[sage crag]

[nocturne olive]

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-cute-gif-14063524

[kind fable]

at least i know ADHDtism people will agree

[sullen spindle]

Never mind figure it out yourself. I only mentioned it to indicate that no nodes means no ai hallucinations

[rough bloom]

[nocturne olive]

So this guy believed it too far and now they don't know how it really works

[sage crag]

g32hjeh4v3bfn84o4mdhf9

all of you be quiet

[kind fable]

be quiet is a fan brand

[minor trout]

istg i just said vlm because you said vlm with a double l

[nocturne olive]

I don't think that's how it works, no "nodes" would mean no ANN model

[kind fable]

why do you want me to be a fan ?

[sage crag]

i give up

[kind fable]

never gonna give you

[flint dome]

someone get the gun pls

[nocturne olive]

[minor trout]

up, never gonna let you down

[sage crag]

your collective brain damage is impressive, please dont show me again

[sullen spindle]

Yes it's from a Wikipage i only needed a simple example to show what i was referring to and since you understand it that is what it did.

[kind fable]

btw you got rickrolled and lost the game the same day

[flint dome]

can you get the gun pls

[minor trout]

yea

[sage crag]

"working on my bachelor thesis"

[kind fable]

anyway i go back to my computer science bachelor thesis in snake

[rough bloom]

no clue what you're referring to

[kind fable]

i am really

i'm at the end

[sage crag]

truly unfortunate for you to have come this far and to be so undeveloped

[olive sable]

[kind fable]

undeveloped in what ?

[sullen spindle]

What i mean when i say nodes

[sage crag]

youll figure it out

[olive sable]

konii is brutal, damn

[kind fable]

ah yes, i'll know when i'll be older

i don't wanna know

if it's surpises like taxes and having to remember shit i have enough

[olive sable]

[kind fable]

i don't wanna figure it out

[sage crag]

foetal alcohol syndrome is no joke

[kind fable]

i'd rather stay where i am and code

[minor trout]

if you see a single spider and it scares you, a single input making you feel scared is definitely not input overload

[olive sable]

holy fuck, you're murdering him

[sage crag]

psa to not drink when pregnant

[kind fable]

i am actually arachnophobia and i picture things too well, not thanks you

[olive sable]

i feel like more alcohol would actually fix this

[minor trout]

spider

big furry tarantulas

[flint dome]

fun fact my doctor officially called me autistic life sucks

[sage crag]

[flint dome]

as if I already didnt know

that i have severe brain damage

[kind fable]

good good

[flint dome]

thanks for confirming jackass

[kind fable]

welcome to the club

[olive sable]

[minor trout]

what is the average age of people in this chat

[flint dome]

also for some reason she had lobotomy posters on the wall

[kind fable]

i'm 24

[flint dome]

67

[minor trout]

istg 67 in the big 26 is not good

[flint dome]

https://tenor.com/view/cissia-67-six-seven-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-gif-6313519016784267265

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-cute-gif-14063524

[flint dome]

67

[kind fable]

where's the neuro tism gif again

[frosty summit]

67

[kind fable]

sorry the evil

[minor trout]

my friends were arguing over whether thinkpads are better than mac

[kind fable]

i forgor

[olive sable]

i feel like we should nuke this channel and start over as #baking

this has gone far enough

[minor trout]

no

[olive sable]

yes

[flint dome]

nuke the server and become hermits

[kind fable]

yes let me dump code here

[olive sable]

no

[rough bloom]

yes

[olive sable]

yes

[flint dome]

reject humanity return to monke

[minor trout]

yesn't

[sage crag]

bets on children or brain damage

[minor trout]

does vedal look at these chats

[faint sandal]

I finally got dinner at 8pm

[olive sable]

no, i quite like having hygiene

[faint sandal]

haven't had anything today

[rough bloom]

brain damage

[sage crag]

foodpost?

[flint dome]

live next to a river

[jagged turtle]

why

[flint dome]

both

[minor trout]

just curious

[olive sable]

imma dip

[rough bloom]

foodpost

[olive sable]

this is enough

[minor trout]

who's the youngest here

[nocturne olive]

Look tasty

[flint dome]

vedal

[minor trout]

TMI

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

no. we want this here

this is #baking

you woudlnt understand

this is the norm here

[sage crag]

wrr

[faint sandal]

azaka food post is the norm here

allegedly

[olive sable]

yes

i welcome this

the council has decided yes

[minor trout]

ye i probably don't know because i joined yesterday

[flint dome]

ok next time if I bake something I will post it here

[sage crag]

im leaving

[minor trout]

I joined because i was curious how vedal made neuro

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-cute-gif-14063524

[olive sable]

bye konii

[flint dome]

do I make weed brownies or crack filled donuts next time

[olive sable]

bnuy

[flint dome]

bnuy

[kind fable]

please rate my code which i'm gonna PR as a patch to this
https://github.com/yrutschle/sslh/blob/master/probe.c
additional documentation :
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/LEB128
https://minecraft.wiki/w/Java_Edition_protocol/Server_List_Ping#1.6
https://minecraft.wiki/w/Java_Edition_protocol/Packets#Handshake

i genuinely need people to review this thanks

[minor trout]

what's it for

[umbral wigeon]

LGTM!

[nocturne olive]

Looks code enuff

[olive sable]

📌

[kind fable]

it's a minecraft server probe for sslh which is a protocol demultiplexer

[minor trout]

yeah i saw that already

but specifically i wanted to look into the pandora's box, the private parts vedal didn't reveal

like how he makes the llm consistent with neuro's identity

because simple text prompts like "you are neuro" won't work

[sick owl]

There are much better options than Whisper for asr these days

[minor trout]

definitely

[rough bloom]

fine-tuning

[tender river]

teacher i'm done

[sick owl]

Parakeet 0.6B can run at up to 30x realtime on CPU with slightly superior accuracy and near zero hallucination rates for a start

[tender river]

what do i get

[minor trout]

question can you fine tune a closed source ai like gpt

[olive sable]

chart hasnt been updated in some months, idk

[nocturne olive]

We need to put DiffSinger on this thingy

[fast pagoda]

it's been like a year since the chart is updated

[kind fable]

depends if you work at open AI

[flint dome]

you get a fucking slap for not using wolfram

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1160259416256434197.webp?size=48&animated=true

[kind fable]

go on huggingface

find models

train them

[stark needle]

Parakeet is trash in practice

[kind fable]

it's quite simple™

[minor trout]

imagine if vedal was secretely an openai member

[stark needle]

It's just better on benchmarks

[flint dome]

otherwise you get a jar of cookies as well

[umbral wigeon]

Vedal is neuro sama member

[rough bloom]

depends on provider, sometimes they allow it, but expensive and not worth it

[stark needle]

Yes via the api

But not all models

[olive sable]

shadow

while you're here do some backreading

its funny

[rough bloom]

do not

brain damag

[olive sable]

its pure

[umbral wigeon]

Does vedal likes yandere dev

[kind fable]

is it fine-tuning truly ?

[minor trout]

i was thinking of making the voice of my ai using vocaltractlab and running it through applio

[olive sable]

not publicly. i doubt many people like the guy tho

[stark needle]

https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/model-optimization

Actual finetuning ye

[kind fable]

how to use AI in a nutshell

[kind fable]

interesting, so it's not just system prompt

[sage crag]

not done

[stark needle]

looks like only gpt4.1 or o4 mini can be finetuned

[sage crag]

bad camera cant read

[stark needle]

Unless the docs are outdated

[rough bloom]

I don't think they are

OpenAI is winding down the fine-tuning platform.

[tender river]

[stark needle]

Bruh rip

Well if u need hosted finetune lora

U can use together.ai or azure

[minor trout]

never heard of it

[stark needle]

Azure = microsoft azure cloud

[minor trout]

wouldn't it be better to have multiple static llm and only call the one that can solve a problem or task best?

[stark needle]

Together.ai = same foundation that did sglang iirc

[stark needle]

Needs too much vram

Have 1 llm and swap adapters

[minor trout]

16GB is probably enough

and M4

[olive sable]

[minor trout]

how good are M5 btw?

[kind fable]

bro reinvented MoE

[minor trout]

so that's the name of this thing

[kind fable]

google AI MoE

[minor trout]

didn't know that

[kind fable]

Mixture of Experts

[nocturne olive]

I will find out once CHXI benchmarks NeuroSynth on one

[minor trout]

would you consider this chat a mixture of experts or just normal people

[mighty thorn]

Funny story

They are “winding down” their finetuning api

Aka

[nocturne olive]

What I do know right now is

• M1 absolutely just sucks (30s per render of tiny change)
• M3 pro is trash (10-15s per render of tiny change)

[mighty thorn]

They want to kill it

[kind fable]

a cult

[minor trout]

fr

[olive sable]

MoI; mixture of intelligence

[nocturne olive]

Conclusion: Apple silicon is messed up and stupid

[olive sable]

depending on your usecase*

[nocturne olive]

Buy a 3090 instead

[mighty thorn]

Uh

Idk about that

[minor trout]

depends on how you would use it

[mighty thorn]

Hating on Apple is one thing

But like

[nocturne olive]

3090 ~1s to render tiny change

[mighty thorn]

Hating on reality is crazy

[rough bloom]

if using for NeuroSynth (almost only you)

[mighty thorn]

Apple silicon is their best move since the iPhone

[minor trout]

get more money, get better chips

[nocturne olive]

There's some people using NeuroSynth other than me now that it's out

[rough bloom]

ye

almost

[mighty thorn]

I don’t even know how to use it bruh

[nocturne olive]

That's how I got the Apple silicon data too

[mighty thorn]

Its much more I than the ai I’m used to

[olive sable]

isn't neurosynth inherently just better on dGPU?
hence apple silicon as an apu doesnt work too well?

[nocturne olive]

Well NeuroSynth is an inference load

[mighty thorn]

Shhh no logic allowed

[nocturne olive]

I literally provided instructions on the website

[sage crag]

box is biggest (by default) neurosynth defender

[rough bloom]

pretty much
the main reason people use Apple Silicon for ML stuff is because tons of VRAM, even if the compute is kinda weak

[olive sable]

put neurosynth on samsung smart fridge

[sage crag]

flipper zero

[rough bloom]

NeuroSynth AFAIK doesn't need tons of VRAM for inference, so not benefit at all from that

[nocturne olive]

That's gonna need NeuroSynth-nano (tm)

[umbral wigeon]

LGTM!

[olive sable]

oh god

[mighty thorn]

Nuh uh

[olive sable]

next we're gonna get neurosynth pro

[nocturne olive]

[olive sable]

and neurosynth flash

[umbral wigeon]

Sorry for analog horror sounds

[olive sable]

neurosynth lite

neurosynth banana pro

neurosynth 4 ultra

[nocturne olive]

Na NeuroSynth-nano will just be a smaller variant as I'm gonna build a bunch of configurations for size into my DiffTrainer clone and then try to finetune NeuroSynth for size

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

make a neurosynth i can run in a game engine

[nocturne olive]

Where did all the text go

[olive sable]

then we can have dynamic pitch control by the character doing certian actions

[nocturne olive]

If your game engine can run OnnxRuntime it can run NeuroSynth

[mighty thorn]

Screenshotting method don’t worry about it

[olive sable]

idk what the hell that is, but your VRAM budget is 4GB

[kind fable]

what's even a neuro

also you need a GPU for AI ?

i only use this

[nocturne olive]

Clearly you just haven't expanded the quick-start section

[olive sable]

depends

[olive sable]

generally yes

[nocturne olive]

I can do it in 2

[kind fable]

i don't need anything else

[sage crag]

surely cpu inference is enough for a vocal synthesizer

[umbral wigeon]

Give me some gpu bro

[kind fable]

just 32GB of swap is enough

[kind fable]

here it is

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth fits in under 2GB of free VRAM when my 3090 has Xoda's LLM in it

[mighty thorn]

French???????

https://tenor.com/view/tim-gunn-eww-gross-yuck-meme-disgusting-sticks-tongue-out-gif-25378754

[olive sable]

nah, im gonna let it use soem gpu if i ever get around to doing osmething with this idea

[kind fable]

i can do ASR on 30s of audio in 5 minutes

[nocturne olive]

Though it can't run real-time speeds on CPU

[kind fable]

shush

[olive sable]

4GB for lllm, 2GB for neurosynth, and then 2GB spare for game assets

[sage crag]

windows phone aspect ratio

[rough bloom]

first gonna have to solve

compatibility with anything except CUDA

[olive sable]

fuck

[umbral wigeon]

When I'm recording obs studio, I will have analog horror sounds idk why

[nocturne olive]

If I can make NeuroSynth-nano work I can make it take even less VRAM

[sage crag]

onnxruntime

[rough bloom]

ye it already is that

[kind fable]

guys guys regex

[olive sable]

box im gonna need to see your source ocde when it comes down to it and change everything to vulkan

[mighty thorn]

There’s nothing else worth using dw

[nocturne olive]

I've seen people make acoustic models as small as 10MB

[rough bloom]

but still very incompatible somehow according to superbox

[sage crag]

will it sound as good as tomodachi life

[nocturne olive]

It's technically Microsoft's source code (OnnxRuntime)

[flint dome]

microsoft sam beats all

[nocturne olive]

I mean probably can I don't know
I'll have to experiment

[sage crag]

id hope it would be

[flint dome]

the gopro voice defeats all

[rough bloom]

the bluetooth device is ready to pair

[nocturne olive]

OpenUTAU is just not implemented to run basically any backends on Linux, I had to write it to run CUDA myself

It does DirectML on Windows and CoreML on MacOS but only CPU on Linux by default

[olive sable]

its prob easier to make it use vulkan cuz then i can do the logical device bullshit to partition compute

[nocturne olive]

Time to write an OnnxRuntime EP

A Vulkan OnnxRuntime EP would be actually peak

[flint dome]

offload everything to the onboard npu on cpu for speed

disregard all token quality, just speed

[tender river]

this is my best camera so i cant use a better one but i tried better lighting

[sage crag]

half life

[olive sable]

we dont have that on my testing hardware

[flint dome]

become the npu

[olive sable]

no

[rough bloom]

ye

[flint dome]

plug a 3.5mm into your skull

[olive sable]

brain too smooth

[rough bloom]

text input execution provider

[olive sable]

would be worse than gpu

[flint dome]

become one with the machine

[rough bloom]

it gives you the terms

[sage crag]

magic of imagination

[rough bloom]

and you compute them

and type in the result

[flint dome]

harmonize your brain and bullshit and become one with the slop

[tender river]

this took me probably like a total of 6? hours
exam failed

but! i know how to solve it now so surely i'd do better now

[flint dome]

first off you get slapped for not using wolfram

second you get a jar full of fresh chocolate cookies

if konii doesn't pass this fella can we execute konii

[tender river]

konii passes easily

[olive sable]

no

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

dont execute

we need konii

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/coelho-bunny-cute-bow-ribbon-gif-12969923437908252017

[tender river]

execution execution execution execution

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

jumping spider on my hand

[olive sable]

we cant remove the last remainders of intelligent life in this channel

[flint dome]

can konii bring us salvation

[sage crag]

no

get a job

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

uncensored??

[flint dome]

market sucks im trying

[sage crag]

jobs, steve jobs

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-cute-gif-14063524

[olive sable]

names the bond

[rough bloom]

[flint dome]

james name the bond im gay

whatever he says

[rough bloom]

bames the nond

[flint dome]

bane?????

https://tenor.com/view/tom-hardy-bane-the-dark-knight-rises-no-one-cared-who-i-was-till-i-put-on-the-mask-gif-21913679

[olive sable]

no one cared who i was, until i put on the triangle

🔺

[tender river]

chmod +x

[nocturne olive]

Apparently OnnxRuntime supports WebGPU but I haven't determined definitively if it can do that on native platforms or only on web browsers

[tender river]

natively it'd have to ship one of webgpu runtimes

wgpu or dawn

[sage crag]

dawn

[nocturne olive]

But at least it would be better than having to build support for every GPU provider individually

OnnxRuntime sucks

[tender river]

speaking of google

[sage crag]

[tender river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_OS

[olive sable]

should be able to do vulkan via webgpu. id prefer to not have 5 translation layers tho

[nocturne olive]

[sage crag]

nothing says operating system like

aluminium

[tender river]

chromium

[nocturne olive]

I needs the CUDA 12

[tender river]

[rough bloom]

not user-facing usually

though ig Chrome is close

[sage crag]

do it over dx11 and then bundle dxvk

[flint dome]

tungsten cube os fork of templeos written in holyrust to counter this amalgamation from hell

[rough bloom]

any bets on how quickly it's killed

[olive sable]

[tender river]

oh right the american spelling is aluminum

[sage crag]

already dead

[olive sable]

how much work would it be to rewrite neurosynth to vulkan native?

surely not too much

[flint dome]

twenty tungsten cubes worth

[olive sable]

only 20

[nocturne olive]

You'd need to write your own OnnxRuntime

[olive sable]

should be fine

no

[sage crag]

dead on conception

[olive sable]

remove that

[flint dome]

yeah but thats just the cost to get slop code from claude opus actual work might be worth 200 or 2000

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth is distributed as an ONNX model

[olive sable]

becomes vulkan model

[sage crag]

[nocturne olive]

You can compile ONNX models to Vulkan?

[olive sable]

not yet

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[flint dome]

magic pointered to a ransomware "yo gemini prompt this"

[rough bloom]

you can

that is what onnxruntime does I'm pretty sure

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/coelho-bunny-cute-bow-ribbon-gif-12969923437908252017

coelho-bunny-cute-bow-ribbon-gif-12969923437908252017

[olive sable]

onnxruntime_ENABLE_DAWN_BACKEND_VULKAN=1

maybe you can

[sage crag]

microsoft thingy with google thingy embedded

[sage crag]

...the feeling is mutual?

[flint dome]

somebody needs to draw sundar pichai mpreg to get him to shut the fuck up

[sage crag]

are you real

[olive sable]

translation layers

[flint dome]

no

[olive sable]

who the hell is sundar pichai?

[flint dome]

im merely a figment of your imagination

[flint dome]

pichai deez nuts

[olive sable]

no thanks

[sage crag]

are you also doing a bachelor's thesis

[flint dome]

yeah

not too hard to guess was it

[nocturne olive]

OnnxRuntime is so stupid

[sage crag]

i just thought it made sense since you have similar brain damage to the other guy

[flint dome]

i already told you my doctor legally called me stupid a couple hours ago

[sage crag]

autism isnt stupidity

[rough bloom]

if you really want to fix NeuroSynth onnxruntime stuff

[flint dome]

but their sets overlap

[rough bloom]

easy first step would be to allow user to provide own runtime

[sage crag]

maybe for you

[flint dome]

im tupid time to commit crime

[nocturne olive]

Well if you come up with a solution go PR it to OpenUTAU or something

[olive sable]

#include <onnxruntime_cxx_api.h>

[sage crag]

exclude onnxruntime_cxx_api

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

[olive sable]

i might try to do something if i have time

maybe

[nocturne olive]

[sage crag]

earlobes

true fact

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

%lock

[nocturne olive]

[rough bloom]

didn't work

@silent anvil fix

[olive sable]

[mighty thorn]

$750 just for a Jellyfin server which costs them maybe $5 a year to run 😭

[tender river]

dent question

[mighty thorn]

THEY DONT EVEN RUN IT, ITS SELF HOSTED, YOU JUST PAY FOR A LICENSE 😭 😭

[stark needle]

bro theres a ton of software that costs way more

like the per cpu core licensing

[olive sable]

excuse me

the WHAT?

[umbral wigeon]

Yo, I've fixed the PR as you said: https://github.com/weenachuangkud/FastCast2/pull/39

Now everything working, I've running unit test on backend server

Also frontend

[olive sable]

i see

[umbral wigeon]

Benchmarks: can run 500000 projectiles on server with 60 fps

Wait for pic

[umbral wigeon]

I'm burning my pc

[bitter phoenix]

GPUs are generally best for processing, CPUs are slower and have latancy although dram is cheeper than vram. You can use anything for AI though

[umbral wigeon]

Buffer full but still working I put 5 million projetiles

[silent cloak]

hey do u guys have any new router model recommendations?

looking to get my family something that lasts

[maiden geyser]

how new?

[umbral wigeon]

System Specs:

CPU: Intel Core i5-2400 (2nd Gen)
GPU: Integrated graphics / No dedicated GPU
RAM: 12 GB DDR3
Storage: ~300 GB
Architecture: 64-bit
OS: Windows 10

[silent cloak]

new enough that it wont be irrelevant anytime soon

or deprecated

they do alot of online work for their jobs

[umbral wigeon]

Any ideas for burning my pc?

[maiden geyser]

cudy wr3000h (supported by openwrt)

[silent cloak]

the current one is just one of those shitty xfinity rented ones

the thing heats up bad in the summer and just cant handle the number of connections or size of the house

[bitter phoenix]

compiling the linux kernel

[silent cloak]

(often have to switch phone to data)

[olive stag]

buying any off the shelf router will almost always be a direct upgrade from the ones given by ISPs

[silent cloak]

thats what ive been telling them for years

old people amirite

[olive stag]

but if they want actual recommendations, I've had a good experience with my ubiquiti unifi router

[silent cloak]

House is 3200 square feet

U think it will handle that well?

[olive stag]

definitely not

but ubiquiti also has poe access points you can run for coverage

[rough bloom]

ye Ubiquiti should be pretty good if for family
not the cheapest but relatively simple and low maintenance

[olive stag]

ubiquiti is enterprise hardware for "lite" prices compared to cisco

you can get access points for ~ $150 CAD (IIRC), or spend as much as you want for an exhaustive network

[silent cloak]

There isnt much for ethernet atm

I think they removed them a long time ago

So access points arent possible until they add them back

(Tbh it was only like 2 ports)

[olive stag]

gonna be tough to get broad wireless coverage that is reliable without proper access points

[silent cloak]

yeah

the only thing connected to the ethernet currently is my home servers

[olive stag]

mesh will do it, but I question its reliability (full disclosure: I've never actually worked with mesh networks)

[rough bloom]

"enterprise"

severely lacking in terms of features

[silent cloak]

so hearing all of this what would be the final model u guys recommend

[rough bloom]

not even close to Cisco or anythnig

[olive stag]

TIL

[silent cloak]

price isnt a big deal btw

[rough bloom]

but not need for home network anyway

[silent cloak]

cant be worse than the xfinity models

[olive stag]

unfortunately I don't have a hard recommendation. the one I have is designed for a smaller space, it wouldn't work for your reqs

[silent cloak]

feel like im gonna need one of those routers with like 10 antennas

[olive stag]

https://ui.com/wifi

[silent cloak]

i imagine it must be better than what we got currently

[olive stag]

if you're up for ubiquiti, you'll just have to browse it and check specs and see

[silent cloak]

if its as good or slightly better and expandable through AP in the future then that will work

a big factor is the amount of devices it can support after all

the current one can barely handle the load

and it really heats up in summer

[olive sable]

More cookies

[stiff mica]

🍪 Om nom nom
You've given me 6 cookies! | I've received 326399 cookies total!

[silent cloak]

look plastic

[rough bloom]

this is the best mesh AP they have apparently?
https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/category/wifi-outdoor/products/u7-mesh

[silent cloak]

does it need ethernet?

[rough bloom]

a few of those combined with one of the cloud gateways should work

[rough bloom]

mesh

connect one of them via ethernet

[silent cloak]

only one needs it?

[rough bloom]

rest will connect between each other

[silent cloak]

ok good

thank you very much

ill have to plan out a proper network

i should look into signal mapping my house with my existing box to get a feel of where things should be

pretty sure i can do it with my laptop

probably will need atleast 1 per floor

[silent cloak]

which gateway seems the best for the setup?

i probably dont need the enterprise ones over a grand

[rough bloom]

the Ultra is probably enough

the other ones are for 2.5G or 10G

which you're not gonna get over mesh anyway

[silent cloak]

is 10g even out yet

[umbral wigeon]

Why are roblox putting my game 16+

[silent cloak]

like in anyway shape or form

6E i know about

[rough bloom]

WiFi 7 has a theoretical max bandwidth of 23G apparently

internet connection is another issue ofc, heavily depends on location but 10G is obtainable

[silent cloak]

damn

[rough bloom]

oh, should mention, you still need a DSL modem even with the cloud gateway

it only does routing, not DSL

(assuming you're using DSL, if using fiber get the fiber gateway so you have SFP+, if using cable then idk probably same as DSL)

[sick owl]

Nah not for a model that can run on your CPU

If you're okay with allocating a bit more in terms of resources the Voxtral models also clear Whisper by a country mile

I'm told the new IBM Granite Speech models are good but I've never tested them so can't speak to that

The new Cohere Transcribe is also very good from what I've heard

[fiery girder]

Dad went to the shop because his laptop was not cooling well. Before that asked me what he should do.

I told him, you must chk thermal paste first. I remember it's been 2 years.

But he came back buying a laptop cooler. Huh. The shop owner said it's better not to open up the laptop. But funny thing is that the laptop is still no good

Then I went with him. Opened up it and what awaited me was hell.

I think he drinks coffee in the office and shares it with laptop. He goes to the beach and sees sunset there with it.

Bruh such an amount of dust there was, I was speechless. And about thermal paste?

After removing the heatsink, I found cold powder there. Just a breeze and they were no longer there.

Bruh*3

[real quail]

WILD

[bitter phoenix]

@fast pagoda what public instruct data do you recommend?

For mixing with SFT.

[fast pagoda]

depends'

[sage crag]

@fast pagoda why

.

[fast pagoda]

whar

[sage crag]

@fast pagoda

how

.

[fast pagoda]

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-cute-gif-14063524

[bitter phoenix]

Well what’s your usual

This looks pretty good HuggingFaceH4/no_robots

[stark needle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bunny-bnuuy-3

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-vtuber-3d-head-turn-concerned-gif-15495186653811856266

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444655245568245803/1482696967116165203/caption.webp

[sick owl]

that's really, really sad

[sage crag]

[sick owl]

I know its written by AI

But these AI psychosis guys usually send AI written messages because they've abdicated that much of their will to it

[sick owl]

Also he apparently receives a surprising number of emails like this from addresses that don't give off any red flags

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

does anyone have recommendations for desk mats

[tender river]

@native surge

[stark needle]

i have the same 10 bucks logitech g from like 7 years ago

and its so dirty and broken and stuff

[sage crag]

@native surge

[native surge]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

hi

[native surge]

x2

[olive sable]

Hi

[native surge]

what

[sage crag]

does anyone have recommendations for desk mats

@native surge

[olive sable]

[native surge]

x3

[severe moat]

a full desk sized desk mat if you usually rest your hands on your desk

[native surge]

i dont have a deskmat kni

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/750165152556515408/1499555722604712127/buh.gif

[olive sable]

Just get one that can be washed

[stark needle]

im not gonan spend 10$ again on some trash

[sage crag]

i have a desk mat

[severe moat]

(i have one and i usually sleep on my desk sometimes)

[olive sable]

I have cpu sized thermal paste square on mine

[stark needle]

like

how much am i supposed to budget

[sage crag]

$100

[olive sable]

50 bucks at most imo

[native surge]

rgb desk mat

[sage crag]

ye

razer brand

[stark needle]

uh alright i guess

[sage crag]

but

[native surge]

need razer cortex otherwise deskmat wont work

[severe moat]

how much are yalls so expensive

[sage crag]

my desk mat was like

$8

[native surge]

towel

[severe moat]

mine was like less than 10 bucks

[stark needle]

i was budgeting like 200 is that too mcuh or??? idk how much a good one cost

[sage crag]

hey so

i have an idea

give me the 200

and

ill buy you a deskmat

[opaque sigil]

i have a couple desk mats but they're chilling in a drawer now because i've come to the conclusion that keeping them clean is too much of a hassle

[native surge]

200 apples

[sage crag]

trade 1 nesus for 200 apples at tesco

[severe moat]

i accidentally spilled soy sauce on my old desk mat and it wouldnt come off for a while

[stark needle]

so like is that too much

[opaque sigil]

yes

[sage crag]

no

actually you should spend more

note that i will buy it for you

[native surge]

i got my fancy big 40x45 mousepad imported for 20

[sage crag]

[native surge]

so i can get you one for 50

[stark needle]

i mean like idk konii is god tier osu player idk if to trust or not

[sage crag]

i play with tablet

also nesus is better than me

and plays with mouse

slop image

[native surge]

and on lazer

[sage crag]

notelock

[native surge]

shit mod mult

[cosmic sphinx]

what slopmodel

[tender river]

chatgpt

[sage crag]

ye

[sage crag]

FIXED IN LAZER

[severe moat]

very slop how dare /j

[sage crag]

(soon)

[native surge]

fixed with rate change soon

[opaque wharf]

I have awaken

And taking another crack

At solving this plotting

[idle dune]

Slop image but so cute

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/coelho-bunny-cute-bow-ribbon-gif-12969923437908252017

this not slop

real buni

[olive sable]

200 is way too much

you're buying a piece of fabric

[opaque wharf]

Not fabric

[olive sable]

fabric with rubber coating on bottom

[sage crag]

dresses

[olive sable]

dresses

[opaque wharf]

I have one with metal backing and composite surface

Pretty good because it is solid. But not really portable

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

nice spikes

[olive sable]

my friend sent this about his unity exam project thingy

but i have no clue what the fuck he did to make it get these spikes

[rigid snow]

[stark needle]

Finally my setup is done

Apart from the mousepad

[umbral wigeon]

I'm jealous bro

My pc can't even play roblox

Give me some hardware

[stark needle]

😭

[umbral wigeon]

i5 gen 2 2400, 12 gb ram ddr3(idle 1 gb, ava 3 gb), 64 bits window 10, no gpu/intergated, dell pc/customized boot loadup uni pc, 300+ gb storage

[stark needle]

wait i still dont have everything ugh

i need the mic to calibrate my studio monitors

the goddamn mic is

239 chf

bruh

tho it also includes the software license

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

i find it so stupid that

i still needed my switch after all

cause the goddamn monitors need an ethernet connection

[olive sable]

???

[stark needle]

ethernet connection

[olive sable]

but why?

[stark needle]

to control them

[olive sable]

[umbral wigeon]

Google just tell me to use Microsoft edge lmao

Because they said it's "performance"

[stark needle]

to load calibration

they are genuinely god tier tho

these were my previous monitors

[olive sable]

a bit bumpy ye

more so than mine even

[stark needle]

ye they were trash tier

[stark needle]

i think im just gonna throw them in the trash

[stark needle]

this is the graph according to neumann after calibration

[olive sable]

they're not even thaaaat bad

id gladly take them off your hadns if you dont want them

they're still 100 euro speakers

[opaque sigil]

https://fxtwitter.com/SocketSecurity/status/2058027523326288268 it doesn't stop does it huh

Socket (@SocketSecurity)

🚨 Supply chain attack on the Laravel Lang organization:
︀︀
︀︀700+ historical versions across multiple community-maintained Laravel Lang packages were compromised with an RCE backdoor, including:
︀︀
︀︀laravel-lang/lang
︀︀laravel-lang/http-statuses
︀︀laravel-lang/attributes
︀︀Laravel-Lang/actions
︀︀
︀︀The payload targets cloud creds, CI/CD secrets, Kubernetes tokens, Vault, browser data, password managers, SSH keys, and more.

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FxTwitter · May 23, 2026, 3:29 AM

[glass flower]

[hard delta]

the way you can avoid supply chain attacks

is to just use old versions of everything

:200iq:

any software that is after 2012

you just don't use

[split steppe]

and that is why i run windows xp

[hard delta]

based

sp2 right

[split steppe]

there's service packs?