programming

[opaque sigil]

I guess

[warped narwhal]

Nah, someone else #programming message

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

Still have UB tho iirc

[fiery girder]

ow i see. then ig it was in my past reincarnation here

[rough bloom]

yeah, failing Miri

turns out not everything that is correct in Zig is also correct in Rust

[opaque sigil]

if it behaves 1:1 under every scenario does it really matter (yes it does, iirc they're working on fixing the miri issues at the very least)

[nocturne olive]

[opaque sigil]

I probably won't use bun for projects in the near future but bunx my beloved

[stark needle]

i am afraid of ☆♡《♥bny🐇lop•idol~★》♡☆

[prime spade]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-modcheck-gif-7884706656719482338

[opaque wharf]

I am not

I am afraid by the atrocity that she commit tho

[minor trout]

does anyone even talk about programming here

[stark needle]

@brisk laurel @nocturne olive my schizo voice i can do with 0 effort that i said the other day lmao, i think if i watched random voice transitioning yt shit i might be able to make it sound convincingly female lmfao

[opaque wharf]

Believe it or not, yes

[nocturne olive]

[stark needle]

i dont even know why i can comfortably talk so high

(and higher)

i think for female voice i need to get a brighter voice somehow

[olive sable]

on accasion

out of the 24 hours in a day, mmaybe 4 hours are programming

#programming is more of a people than a topic

[stark needle]

how many hours are people with ai psychosis

[olive sable]

2 or so

[opaque wharf]

And then we have the time when konii has cyberpsychosis

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/coelho-bunny-cute-bow-ribbon-gif-12969923437908252017

[olive sable]

half the day is spent on autism

[stark needle]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-9294232286150621702

[olive sable]

thats so cute

[fast pagoda]

Cute

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

It looks too much like pocong here

[opaque wharf]

TIL Indonesian law book is called Burgerlijke Wetboek

[opaque wharf]

Sam, please translate

[nocturne olive]

[flint dome]

its very normal behavior frankly just dont let konii get close to any actual cybernetics

[stark needle]

[flint dome]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-sir-soder-gaming-troll-gif-19774783

[stark needle]

what

[flint dome]

https://tenor.com/view/cafe-manhattan-cafe-uma-umamusume-fish-gif-14960122862341011468

f i h

[opaque wharf]

Master
Chief
Soda

[kind nimbus]

Entire day

[olive sable]

[flint dome]

when you always autistic your time is never spent on autism

[olive sable]

[kind nimbus]

True

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1500854454465859677/audhd.gif

[kind nimbus]

Because the rest of the time is spent on ADHD

[leaden crest]

how! (wise) 🔺 “orz,”

[olive sable]

you lack punctuation

making that sentence completely unreadable

[leaden crest]

question mark

[sage crag]

orz

[leaden crest]

does that help @olive sable

[olive sable]

no

[fiery girder]

is that the popular way people talk about to admit defeat?

[olive sable]

i think your incorrect usage of punctuation mad eit worse

[leaden crest]

that or in this case worship

I use it more for worship but I think defeat is more common

[fiery girder]

Owww

[olive sable]

i have no clue what orz means

[leaden crest]

it looks like a little guy orzing

[fiery girder]

seriously? sam?

i just googled it

[fiery girder]

what what represents a women doing the same?

i mean its a guy

[olive sable]

i still dont get it

[leaden crest]

🔺 orz

[stark needle]

bro

the o is the head

[leaden crest]

im kneeling in front of the triangle

[stark needle]

the r is the arm

the z is the legs

[fiery girder]

imagine i am neuri sama. and you misused my avatar. how would you take your pardon?

[stark needle]

it's a pictogram

[fiery girder]

neuro-samaa!!!!!! Moushiwake arimasen

and orz in front of me right?

wow, no wonder japanese people have the best physical conditions during their entire lifetime

[faint sandal]

oh ok thanks for telling me

[sick owl]

Japanese people can grow new torsos

[sick owl]

Bear in mind when you ask models about their own systems like this they will also just hallucinate shit a bunch of the time

[faint sandal]

nah the reminders were firing off every other response half way through the conversation

so i knew there was an injected classifier somewhere

it happened earlier in another conversation too

but the reminder was much shorter over in that other conversation and was consistently appearing in tool outputs

[flint dome]

did claude just.... provide you the base prompt

[trim valve]

logs over uart

[flint dome]

shouldnt that allow for a prompt that counters the base prompt

[flint dome]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-cute-cuddle-gif-26893973

[trim valve]

[rough bloom]

threat

[fiery canopy]

I am slightly regretting my decission to install gentoo

[olive sable]

[fiery canopy]

Ihave spent the last 30 minutes debugging why i cant make VMS because of iptables kernal module refusing to load

[fiery canopy]

ehh I could just do the low effort thign

and just reinstall arch

or I could ride it otu

[opaque wharf]

That screams RS-232

Or like, an actual terminal terminal

Get a USB-UART and use minicom/putty

[opaque sigil]

wtf is this font rendering man

[trim valve]

I will, im just doing some cable labelling first

[fiery canopy]

ehh fuck it I mayaswell just get arch atp

[opaque wharf]

Don't be like me and use all white colored wire without label

[trim valve]

it's so weird

I might have 3 identical uart lines for some reason

[opaque wharf]

However, the earlier error suggest that some SPI device are not functional

So you can already narrow down the issue

Probe more line to see which is SPI and which device does not respond

[trim valve]

I mean

it says "spi display timed out"

[opaque wharf]

It would be funny if it is the front display

[trim valve]

it is :3

but like

[opaque wharf]

[trim valve]

there are many reasons the display could've not been working

I wasn't expecting it to be "displays not displaying"

[opaque wharf]

Have you checked if the SPI return line (MISO) give any data?

But using oscilloscope tho to see if the signal integrity is good

Because it may respond but due to garbage signal integrity it got corrupted

[trim valve]

don't have an oscilloscope

and also uh

finding the spi line on this is gonna be a pain in the ass

as all data comes through those ribbon cables to the display

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

Not having an oscilloscope is a sin

Jail

[trim valve]

me no have infinite money yet

[opaque wharf]

Hmm, I wonder if the black magic probe has a custom firmware that support rudimentary oscope. But then the signal integrity are fucked because of wrong measurement instrument I guess

[olive sable]

EW

wHAT

short r

[rigid snow]

[opaque wharf]

Also, pro tips when buying scope. Prioritize channel count rather than bandwidth. Most of the not so specialized electronics bandwidth will never saturate a 50-100MHz scope

It is especially nice when you are debugging SPI because you can hook all the 4 signal and use sck as the trigger

[kind nimbus]

Install NixOS. You won't regret that decision.

[opaque sigil]

idk what the cursor folks are doing for forms to be like this

[true hemlock]

3323 CPU cores + 1916 GPU cores (SM + CU) total i own in my room rn

dunno how that compares to datacenters

the 68 piles of xeon 6164 and 46 piles of 6148 really skewed the numbers

[opaque sigil]

[true hemlock]

without them

[finite ledge]

[true hemlock]

total passmark score for:
9655 + 3990x + 9950x3d + 7950x + 13900k + 13900 es + 13950hx es + 13980hx + 14900hx + 12900 es + 14600kf + 5700g

[nocturne olive]

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

[opaque wharf]

Apparently google I/O also release HTML in Canvas

As if we don't have enough complexity already

[opaque sigil]

what

[opaque wharf]

https://youtu.be/9OQ5vaYbGV0

The very last one

[olive sable]

new google logos are ugly

and they keep getting ugglier

[opaque wharf]

4:10 in

[opaque sigil]

oh

neato

[opaque wharf]

Please don't

Seek help instead of using html in canvas

Because I know where the direction it is going

[olive sable]

what the fuck kind if ai generated slop advertisement am i watching?
is this really the guy voicing rick sanchez or did they clone his voice?

it has to be ai cloned

huh

i found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKO67n3xfzM

this shit is being given to me as an ad rn

[opaque wharf]

Premium. Got music for free

[opaque sigil]

you mean the gradient ones?
i think they're kinda nice but that's just me

[olive sable]

google meet is now piss

[opaque wharf]

Google sites still exists?

Oh, the one that is killed is google code repo

And google group

And google plus

[olive sable]

i hate the blue in google sheets, it doesnt make sense

gives me bad vibes

same thing with the other green ones actually

[fiery anchor]

Forms is efficient Human Resource Management.

[olive sable]

it looks like 3 humanoids laying on top of eachother

[leaden crest]

I finally got fight me bite me in an ad you have no idea how excited i was

[olive sable]

fight me bite me?

[leaden crest]

I lowk dont understand who made this decision

[leaden crest]

vocaloid song

it’s possible to roll it in the youtube ads

[olive sable]

i see

[leaden crest]

but you have to be either extremely autistic or extremely lucky

for the algo to give you it

[olive sable]

my subwoofer is really enjoying the first 5 seconds

https://tenor.com/view/jmacky-edge-audio-edge-edx15-edx15-excursion-gif-22397464

[olive sable]

the comments are just as bad as the ad itself

this is pure sloppers

they're fucking protesting against linux inside of it

"My name is Lena and i regret switching to linux" shut the fuck up Lena

you're AI generated, your opinion doesnt matter

guess all android phones are bricked now then

[opaque wharf]

More like, no more internet

[olive sable]

that too

[opaque wharf]

Look at him all smug about stealing my sleeping space

Welp, time to eat (not the cat tho)

[real quail]

Why bro

[nocturne olive]

AI gen logos

[frozen igloo]

Did neuro draw this?

[olive sable]

idk what a google keep is

but it looks uggly

[real quail]

idk what the animators trynna do

but if google pulls a spotify and overhauls their entire logos

[opaque wharf]

A note taking application

[real quail]

Twitter will blast em into oblivioin

[mighty thorn]

I have successfully solved the iOS-Win VTS mismatch

Ai vtuber model puppeteering coming soon ™

[sick owl]

Don't get me wrong I hate cheaters but wtf

[olive sable]

card writes directly to ram

[kind nimbus]

Idk somehow the CachyOS Kernel still gives me the fastest performance

[olive sable]

im making fun of the image

not siding with it

[nocturne olive]

How are you gonna use a computer without SATA or NVMe, you need to use IDE now?

[amber fractal]

It kinda sucks to hear the hardware just being destroyed like that

[olive sable]

the 6164 is oem locked, so the 6148 would be the only one i could use. would be an upgrade over my 6138 but not worth going through the effort of importing it

[split steppe]

wait they destroy the hardware???

that's sueable yo

[olive sable]

i think it just became unusable for cheating

[opaque wharf]

Damn, they do be advancing hardware development of a country just for game

[amber fractal]

Firmware modification with or without the game running

[nocturne olive]

Kernel AC would totally allow for that because they literally have access to the computer on an extremely low level

[split steppe]

that doesn't sound like it's just unusable for cheating, that sounds like a permanent change to the device

why else would they brag about it becoming "paperweight"

[olive sable]

from 6138 to 6148 is a 22.7% increase
23664 to 29037 in passmark

[fickle rain]

Why would a DMA card have the capability to self-destruct

[fickle rain]

It’s probably “it’s worthless for intended purpose”

[opaque wharf]

Because the kernel can do anything it wanted to the hardware

[nocturne olive]

Kernel ACs can write anything anywhere including the firmware of on-bus devices

[opaque wharf]

Kernel is just one step removed from the actual hardware

[fickle rain]

Sounds like too much effort to do on any vendor part to purposefully go after some DMA device model

Besides, that just opens vendor to lawsuits and shit, no?

[nocturne olive]

Kernel ACs are literally malware

[fickle rain]

If you say so

[opaque wharf]

Not really, no

[fiery canopy]

most Kernal ACs really don't do there job that well atleast imo, some do but most dont

[rough bloom]

from the screenshots it looks like they just messed with Hyper-V IOMMU stuff, and the DMA card firmware wasn't built to deal with that

[opaque wharf]

They have this thing called EULA that they use to scare away anyone who tried to sue

[fiery canopy]

I still disagree with them as a whoel

[fickle rain]

Sucks to be the guy buying the 5000$ DMA

[minor trout]

How does neuro's memory system work? how does she remember things?

[split steppe]

https://x.com/Pirat_Nation/status/2057703252410692033
according to some random person it changes the device's firmware itself, so it is bricking them

Pirat_Nation 🔴 (@Pirat_Nation)

Riot Games has released a new update for Valorant’s Vanguard anti-cheat system aimed at stopping advanced DMA (Direct Memory Access) cheating hardware.

Vanguard anticheat now damages the firmware of these devices upon detection. It can be repaired, but bricking a person's

X · May 22, 2026, 6:01 AM

[olive sable]

depends on your definition of malware. ussualy you odnt install it intentionally

[rough bloom]

so it's not that the cards are bricked, they just don't work because Vanguard has defenses against that now

[fiery canopy]

DMA's can be used for legitimate purposes

which

[split steppe]

most of the time you don't know you're installing these anticheats

[olive sable]

do you not?

[opaque wharf]

Now imagine if someone managed to get access to vanguard and issue disk wipe

[fickle rain]

https://xcancel.com/daaximus/with_replies
This guy says it’s bullshit so it probably is

[minor trout]

.

[fickle rain]

You can do the same with VAC

[olive sable]

i feel like most people know about easy anticheat

[fickle rain]

Which runs in userspace fully

[split steppe]

many games with AC don't even give me TOS or anything to agree nor explain anything

[fickle rain]

Very competent reverser FYI

[rough bloom]

not bricked
just mostly useless

[nocturne olive]

Malware is anything that acts in a way on your computer that works against you, in this case by disallowing certain hardware to be used

[opaque wharf]

It cannot do firmware wipe to the disk. At least not without the OS supporting syscall

[nocturne olive]

They just silently install with the game

[fiery canopy]

games should live iin userspace

always should

but some companies dont get that

[minor trout]

no one telling me how?

[rigid snow]

i thought you’re supposed to know since you’re #programming but they’re not worth anywhere near that. it’s the firmware that’s expensive

[nocturne olive]

Anything that isn't actually a kernel program should stay as far away from the kernel as possible

[fiery canopy]

there is another yep

[opaque wharf]

Only vedal knows the true answer

[nocturne olive]

Games have no business going poking at the kernel

[fickle rain]

They have a brain and understand the threat model, though

[rough bloom]

because it's not public, only Vedal knows, so nobody can tell you

[true hemlock]

i don't understand the people that go "the cheaters deserves it" its not even about the cheaters, if the software could cause such incident where it could totally brick your PC, its a security issue. a major one. and i would never ever trust these kind of softwares.

[minor trout]

that's kinda sad

[split steppe]

nobody knows, vedal doesn't talk about any implementation details

[fiery canopy]

I get that, but I still think most of the time its stoopid

[fiery canopy]

I agree

[minor trout]

i guess i'll work out how to do that myself

[fickle rain]

It’s either that or HvH on official servers
Pick your poison

[true hemlock]

if a software, whether conditionally or unconditionally triggered could brick your firmware, its a malware. intentional or not.

[rigid snow]

valorant hvh

[fiery canopy]

look at pins, it can be helpful

the lil image

[rigid snow]

[fiery canopy]

can give u a starting point

[opaque wharf]

Here is an idea then. ID verification for TOURNAMENT/competitive level and casual can get whatever

[minor trout]

ok

[nocturne olive]

Kernel anticheats are literally malware

[fickle rain]

Casuals should still get a playable experience

[fiery canopy]

that is a statement I think we all agree on

[rigid snow]

that doesn’t work

[opaque wharf]

Why tho?

[nocturne olive]

Simply do real security and make your anticheat serverside you lazy developers

[fiery canopy]

real

Its more then possible

[rigid snow]

because people are going to cheat?

[nocturne olive]

Serverside anticheat would work just so much better

[fickle rain]

How’s that working for Valve

Evidently Valve is lazy

[opaque wharf]

Yes and if they got found out it is harder to find new fake ID

[fiery canopy]

it can be done well

[fickle rain]

OK in what games

[opaque wharf]

Implement the cheat detection server side

[nocturne olive]

Valve wins by doing absolutely nothing anyway

[split steppe]

most high tier tournaments get tourny provided hardware, verification and private servers

[rigid snow]

you said id for pro play

[rigid snow]

look at how that worked out for cs2

[fickle rain]

Fun fact: official CS2 tournaments run FaceIT anticheat

[nocturne olive]

I don't play CS

[opaque wharf]

Then at least put the anti cheat only on those tournament

[fickle rain]

Shows how much Valve trust VAC

[nocturne olive]

I have never even seen CS gameplay

[rough bloom]

ye, server-side heuristics + manual review mabe

[fiery canopy]

tbf idek why I care, I don't play FPS games, or games in general which would even consider using kernal anticheat

The shit I play wouldn't use it

lmfao

[nocturne olive]

The Windows version of VRChat in question

[opaque wharf]

During the preliminary or literally anytime else, it shouldn't be mandatory

[rigid snow]

not all of them, there are multiple ACs, and guess what people still cheat in tournaments

[opaque wharf]

Like, make the anti cheat OPT IN

[fickle rain]

https://vxtwitter.com/daaximus/status/2057824986874917162#m

Holy based

Daax (@daaximus)

↪️ Replying to @Vigty0

@Vigty0 @GloriousEggroll LARPers everywhere and people looking to displace their anger onto something they don’t understand (monkey find blackbox scary!). Only to look really goofy because they keep perpetuating blatantly incorrect information.

vxTwitter / fixvx · May 22, 2026, 2:04 PM

[fiery canopy]

I run it natively on arch, and I haven't played vrchat in nearly a year acc

[opaque wharf]

Without anti cheat you cannot play competitive

[fiery canopy]

get that

[nocturne olive]

Linux VRC uses a non-kernel anticheat as far as I'm aware

[fiery canopy]

thats fine then, considering I Was considering reinstalling

I will check tho

[opaque wharf]

This way not everyone need to install it

[fiery canopy]

that is true

[split steppe]

the way he speaks doesn't make me want to listen to anything he says even if he's right

[fickle rain]

Do the experiences of people playing casual ETC not matter

[fiery canopy]

agreed

[opaque wharf]

Nope

Or hear me out

Make it opt in

[rough bloom]

anything that's not "competitive" is just gonna become cheat central

[fiery canopy]

it uses EAC in user space

[opaque wharf]

And server that enable anti cheat can only be played with those that enable it

[opaque wharf]

Which is fine honestly

[nocturne olive]

EAC is one of few anticheats that has a userspace mode

[opaque wharf]

I just want to make it opt in

[fiery canopy]

and thats somethink I like abt EAC

[nocturne olive]

Not all devs enable Linux support with EAC tho

[true hemlock]

EAC is fine, as far as i've experienced it.

[fickle rain]

They have in-house code obfuscation too

[rough bloom]

not really, that makes the option pretty much useless

[opaque sigil]

ruining the experience of everyone else is fine?

[opaque wharf]

Like, if people are cheating anyway, heck there may be a specific categories for the tournament

[fickle rain]

High intelligence people

[rigid snow]

end up with the “antiaim bhop across the entire map at mach 3 nospread rapid fire” queue

[split steppe]

the thing is that the vast majority of players are noncompetetive and cheaters ruin normal games more than tourneys, because in tourneys there's stringent review and you'd be permabanned from ever competing as a person if you were found out cheating anyway

[nocturne olive]

Pretty sure it's kernel-level on Windows

[fickle rain]

Yes

[true hemlock]

yes

[nocturne olive]

Linux fixes this

[true hemlock]

but as i said EAC is fine

[nocturne olive]

[fiery canopy]

Just use linux and don't play FPS games

[fickle rain]

Linux also fixes your Fortnite/Rust/Apex framerates to 0

[fiery canopy]

simple solution

[kind fable]

we technically have custom shoes for in he house

[fiery canopy]

And if u play any of those games, you have other problems :0

[opaque wharf]

Bro is reviving shoe thread

[olive sable]

here we dont

[true hemlock]

EAC so far haven't done any bad shit to me, and i regularly played vrc for 20-40 hours straight nonstop whenever possible

[kind fable]

it was the message my discord was focused on

[fickle rain]

According to le UC people they have better tech than Vanguard
But trusting le UC people is not a good idea and you should verify yourself

[split steppe]

i do think that devs should engineer better serverside anticheats, and provide better self-moderation tools, so people can report and kick cheaters

[opaque wharf]

Fair point

[rough bloom]

not fundamentally, no

[kind fable]

you're from belgium aren't you ?

[olive sable]

yes

[kind fable]

also i put crocs

[olive sable]

crocs

[kind fable]

lmao

[true hemlock]

vanguard's literally a malware.

[olive sable]

the what?

[kind fable]

is blocked

[olive sable]

in neurocord?

[rough bloom]

kernel anti-cheat could very much be a thing on Linux
-# and probably should be tbh

[fiery girder]

bro, whats up with that name of yours? 😭

[kind fable]

Look at those crocs

[kind fable]

oh no i gonna get banned

sorry mods

[olive sable]

mass message deleteion is happening above

[opaque wharf]

[kind fable]

i excuse myself

[rare bridge]

[kind fable]

just wanted to share crocs

[rare bridge]

you will not excuse yourself

[fiery girder]

[fickle rain]

When Linux gets stable kernel ABI

[kind fable]

because crocs cool

[true hemlock]

cloud smite em

[opaque sigil]

hii cloud

[rare bridge]

1. off-topic here, please keep conversation to programming

[fickle rain]

Also IIRC GPL is stinky

[kind fable]

alr

[rare bridge]

2. don't bypass the filter

thank you

[rough bloom]

not needed

[sick owl]

Soft bricking PCs on purpose as a corporation is still outrageous behaviour

[opaque wharf]

Why tf is it triggering auto mod

[fiery canopy]

percisely

[fiery girder]

right. can you help me in making my olamma bit smarter?

[opaque wharf]

Is it the combination of picture

[fickle rain]

Well it blocks the DMA device from working
Not cheating fixes that behavior

[opaque wharf]

And the feet

[fiery canopy]

this is the point

[true hemlock]

this. its literally malware

[fiery canopy]

DMA's beyond cheating exist

[kind fable]

no just the words alone

[fiery canopy]

I hope you know

[opaque wharf]

Ahhh

[rare bridge]

i'm not experienced in machine learning, apologies

[kind fable]

cause i assume weird people

[faint sandal]

y'all spreading misinfo here too?

[rough bloom]

can just force user to use a particular signed kernel

[true hemlock]

doesn't matter. i wouldn't want to gamble it to be triggered by accident

[kind fable]

learn python make script with huggingface

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/AzakaSekai_/status/2057824775654068475

安坂星海 Azaka || VTuber (@AzakaSekai_)

↩ (@AzakaSekai_)
For additional context, Vanguard is not "bricking" hardware. The device's firmware is unharmed but cannot properly run when IOMMU is in full force, presumably with HVCI-assisted enforcement.
︀︀
︀︀Further reading
︀︀www.unknowncheats.me/forum/anti-cheat-bypass/753122-vgk-update-locked-dma-firmware-sata-nvme.html
︀︀www.intel.com/content/dam/develop/external/us/en/documents/intel-whitepaper-using-iommu-for-dma-protection-in-uefi-820238.pdf

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FxTwitter · May 22, 2026, 2:03 PM

[rough bloom]

I'd hope not

[opaque wharf]

I was trying to send my cat anyway lol

[kind fable]

very easy

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-domain-expansion-jujutsu-kaisen-anime-gif-5048435362424443228

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/AzakaSekai_/status/2057878407095234581

安坂星海 Azaka || VTuber (@AzakaSekai_)

↩ (@AzakaSekai_)
I think a lot of people are having fundamental misunderstanding regarding this specific event: IOMMU, HVCI, DMA Remapping are all hardware/software features that are already present in your system.
︀︀
︀︀They ensure no malicious PCIe hardware can perform tampering (specifically for DMAGuard policies backed by HVCI) or reads (DMA can't just read everything when IOMMU is present) - they're just usually not fully enforced. Any privileged processes can already tell Windows to enforce these protections. Anything that supports DMA Remapping (which is really any legitimate hardware that supports the official Microsoft drivers) shouldn't be affected.

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FxTwitter · May 22, 2026, 5:37 PM

[kind fable]

vanguard is malware

[fickle rain]

Mister daaximus was fighting against misconception too

[kind fable]

nothing has rights to touch the kernel

[true hemlock]

i've been saying "firmware" so far as the convo goes so...

[kind fable]

the fact we've let people in the kernel is bad

[rough bloom]

accurate

[faint sandal]

you should be complaining to Intel and Windows

[kind fable]

no one should touch the kernel except the kernel

and all which think differently are wrong

[fickle rain]

Should Process Explorer be banned

[faint sandal]

this doesn't touch the kernel...

[fickle rain]

Or Process Monitor

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[kind fable]

we created the rings for a reason

[olive sable]

id rather keep their phones out of my kernel

[kind fable]

it should be part of the kernel or banned

only use APIs

[faint sandal]

any privileged process can enable and enforce HVCI and DMA remapping

[kind fable]

they shouldn't be privileged

[sick owl]

Yeah but cheaters should be banned not have their PCs attacked

[faint sandal]

please consider reading the addendum in the tweet

[kind fable]

no more privileges

[fiery girder]

guess you cant be sure that programmers are undeads who can not die or they are nechromenchers who can rise up when time. litereally today is the first time i am watching mass spamming here

[fickle rain]

https://secret.club/2026/05/21/striga.html
Wow, powerful technology

[sick owl]

Its still just a videogame even if they're obnoxious

[fiery canopy]

this is like a tri daily thing atm

[rare bridge]

i'm not understanding correctly, but you're saying kernel and userland should never intesect?

[kind fable]

also the only proper banning technique is server-side

[olive sable]

eh.
its funny tho

[true hemlock]

also the shit i do that is completely unrelated to the game sometimes randomly trigger anticheats so fuck those

[fiery girder]

guessed as much

[fiery canopy]

fun times, I normally just read. Interacting for once is fun

[olive sable]

jus tbecause its funny say it shoudl be allowed

[kind fable]

if by intersect you mean that a random part of code gets loaded in the kernel, yes

[faint sandal]

normal PCs aren't going to be affected - all proper m.2 devices support the Microsoft driver which fully supports DMA Remapping

[opaque wharf]

It is not funny when crowdstrike happened

[olive sable]

so crowdstrike shouldnt be allowed

are you starting to understand?

[fiery girder]

you sure have a familier taste for others to dive in

[warped narwhal]

Your syscalls are all belong to us!

[rough bloom]

[true hemlock]

o7 my random jank

[faint sandal]

it's only devices that run unofficial drivers that do not support DMA Remapping that will get rejected by Vanguard

[fiery girder]

[faint sandal]

and that still doesn't "brick" your device

Vanguard will just not let you play

[fiery canopy]

this statement has confusled me

[olive sable]

you can jsut reflash the firmware no?

[opaque wharf]

Well fuck hw developer that plays game too I guess

[fickle rain]

https://back.engineering/blog/09/05/2026/
“New” back.engineering post 😳

[faint sandal]

no firmware is being flashed where are you guys hearing the rumor from

[fiery girder]

ahh sorry

i meant, to be frank, you have the ability to connect with all trops of peoples philosophy

[faint sandal]

read the Unknown Cheats post to see first hand comments on what's going on

[sick owl]

If they have to reinstall the OS its officially way over the line imo

[faint sandal]

they don't have to!!!

[fiery canopy]

still wouldn't affect them because the driver would only be fully loaded and intern affecting vanguard, if its connected

[faint sandal]

DMA Remapping and HVCI can be turned off fairly easily when authorized by the user!!!

[sick owl]

Don't they?

[fiery canopy]

so just dont have experimental stuff and vanguard at same time

ig

[fickle rain]

Are they unhappy

[kind fable]

anyway good thing i will never install anything with vanguard

[fiery canopy]

is what I said correct or am I wrong

[fickle rain]

I like the Vanguard deobfuscation posts

[true hemlock]

good thing i stay on win 10 so i can't install valo anyway

[sick owl]

Fair enough then, that tweet they made was a god awful look though

[fickle rain]

Very nice memes in there

[fiery canopy]

in ref to this

[faint sandal]

which one

[sick owl]

Like probably the single worst PR move they could possibly have made, shows an awful attitude

[fiery canopy]

not worded amazingly

but

[rough bloom]

I guess it's just old posts then from before they figured out what Vanguard did
-# (the ones claiming to need a reinstall)

[faint sandal]

I don't really understand what you mean

[olive sable]

@faint sandal i read it here

[fiery canopy]

read this

[fiery canopy]

^

[faint sandal]

yeah misinformed people that don't know about DMA Remapping, IOMMU, DMAGuard, etc.

[kind fable]

anyway anti-cheat should be server-side

[olive sable]

no

[faint sandal]

all of which are documented on Intel's white paper, and Microsoft docs

[kind fable]

they cannot win on the client-side

it's literally impossible

we posses the hardware

our control is one level deeper

[rough bloom]

[kind fable]

always

also never trust the client

[olive sable]

you cant enforce anti-cheat without being able to detect the cheat. client-side is a must

[kind fable]

it's like the 1st rule

[kind fable]

client-side is useless

[opaque wharf]

Server

[fiery canopy]

this

[kind fable]

you shall detect bad behavior on the server

[opaque wharf]

Client are not to be trusted

[fiery canopy]

in a best case both working together

[faint sandal]

yes unapproved hardware is quite literally what they're trying to combat - you shouldn't be gaming on the same device as your hardware dev env

[kind fable]

and if the behavior of cheater is identical to user then they may as not be a cheater

[rigid snow]

like, this is a very specific requirement, there are other common ones like not having the hypervisor on or having secure boot on so having experimental dma hardware is not at all surprising. why the fuck are you all crying though i know for a fact none of you who complain about vanguard actually play val or even cs. for most people having le spyware is worth it for a fair play experience

[faint sandal]

specifically anything that communicates over external PCIe bus

[fiery canopy]

I was going to say that myself to some degree, but I figured a good midpoint would be that as I am not 100% sure on this

[kind fable]

make it so the cheat is inneffective instead of trying to win a battle you can't win

[glass jetty]

i was debugging this
for anhour

[faint sandal]

those are the only devices that are affected

[true hemlock]

though im also arguing within the scenario of examples where the cheat would actually brick your firmware, which if happened, i consider it a malware straight up

[fickle rain]

I’m pretty sure modern Windows security features require the hypervisor to be on

[kind fable]

if the cheater gain nothing by cheating they will not cheat

[faint sandal]

which is what DMA cheat devices are

[olive sable]

client side is the only way to detect most cheats

[fickle rain]

Which also significantly lessen anticheat work

[rough bloom]

ye it never did that

[glass jetty]

and i still dont understand why it not work without explicit stop
it should stop when all senders exit

[opaque wharf]

Because the implication is you cannot use any "unapproved" hardware down the line

[kind fable]

it's not
and if it's the case then the game is bad on its own

[true hemlock]

then im screwed

[kind fable]

it mean the game is sending too much data to the client

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

No matter how benign it is

[faint sandal]

this was never the case - I don't understand how people got to this conclusion

[kind fable]

the server shall not transmit data the client doesn't need

[glass jetty]

just why

[fiery canopy]

the fact is you won't win that. its unfortuante and I agree it shouldn't need to be like it, but atleast in there eyes it needs to be

just don't play the games

if u dont want it

its the truth

isnt it

[true hemlock]

twitter post likes to exaggerate based on what people screams on

[glass jetty]

settings handler literally being moved into root_future

[kind fable]

unwrap w

[rough bloom]

Riot tweeting that the devices are now paperweights certainly didn't help

[fickle rain]

Unfortunately l*tency exists

[true hemlock]

this too

[faint sandal]

specifically only devices that expose external PCIe comms - your average hobbyist hardware won't

[opaque wharf]

Oh, I am not even playing games nowadays. But I still advocate for consumer rights anyway

[fickle rain]

And you need to send things like where a footstep sound comes

[kind fable]

there is a window

[fiery canopy]

fe

[faint sandal]

only devices that do are Thunderbolt and M.2 devices

[kind fable]

you can precompute

limit the information

[faint sandal]

which I don't think you'll have any developmental hardware just casually sitting around at home

[kind fable]

also pvp games are shit anyway

[rough bloom]

they're not really wrong but they imply that some modification to the device has occurred
which is false

[kind fable]

cooperation is better

[faint sandal]

please consider reading up DMAGuard documentations!

[kind fable]

lets stop killing each other

[opaque wharf]

"Average hobbyist" may include those that use riser, dock, and many other exotic hw tho

[olive sable]

thats not how this works. client side sends data about the player activity to the server. the problem is on the server side you cant verify if that was done via human input or a cheat script

[opaque wharf]

If you mean average user then sure

[faint sandal]

that's not what they are...

[kind fable]

indeed but you can't verify on the client-side either since the client do what it want and can alter anything it want

[faint sandal]

we're talking NVMe controllers, external FPGA hardware

[rigid snow]

why is this nn now

[kind fable]

you cannot trust the client to run the code you wrote

[fickle rain]

You can detect some things with statistics crap, but that generally works poorly

[opaque wharf]

This is technical talk tho

[rough bloom]

none of those are really exotic or even PCIe endpoints in the first place

[kind fable]

also statistics indeed

[fiery canopy]

actually thats a good point atp

[rigid snow]

mad at cloud

[kind fable]

with statistical analysis you can catch cheater

[olive sable]

hence the anticheat runs on ring 0

it does that for a reason you know

[kind fable]

and if they are statistically identical to non-cheaters then they do not have an advantage

[kind fable]

we have ring -1

we control the BIOS

we have ring -2

[olive sable]

bruh

[kind fable]

we control the fucking hardware

[opaque sigil]

no you don't

[rough bloom]

[faint sandal]

no you don't

[kind fable]

you cannot prevent the client from doing what it wants

it is impossible

[olive sable]

just because you can bypass a red light doesn't mean you should let everyone in

[kind fable]

you can only slow it down

[true hemlock]

[faint sandal]

Intel and AMD get a say on what's considered malicious and what is readable through IOMMU

[kind fable]

and instead of slowing down your should design your game so people don't feel the need to cheat and gain the least advantage possible

[amber fractal]

[kind fable]

and catch the cheaters with statistical analysis

[fiery canopy]

you really do not

[amber fractal]

Also glueless

[fiery canopy]

you are not manafacturing your cpu

[true hemlock]

how so

[olive sable]

"you can bypass anticheat" does not mean we need to get rid of anticheat. thats dumb

[kind fable]

DMA is the example of it

[fickle rain]

I guess people should not play first person shooters then

[true hemlock]

bro

[faint sandal]

this white paper will help you understand things better as opposed to making up things https://www.intel.com/content/dam/develop/external/us/en/documents/intel-whitepaper-using-iommu-for-dma-protection-in-uefi-820238.pdf

[true hemlock]

all the above explanation

[kind fable]

anyway

[fiery canopy]

most of these people will not read, as saaid this is p much turning into nn atp

[kind fable]

the server-side will never be able to control the client without locking the machine

[rough bloom]

it's true that client-side detection isn't perfect
you can, in theory, physically move the mouse and press keyboard buttons with a robot to cheat
but it's still a very significant impediment, and I think it's worth acknowledging that

[kind fable]

yes on an arcade maching that you can't modify maybe it can work

[true hemlock]

unfortunate, a lot of people here aren't deep enough into the technical side and only yap based on surface assumptions

[kind fable]

but in reality it'll just slow down people

[fiery canopy]

yep

[olive sable]

just because you can avoid anticheat doesnt mean you should allow everyone to cheat

[true hemlock]

also surely this won't cause me issue in the long run with anticheats

[rough bloom]

and it's not like server-side detection is perfect either
you only have statistics, so as long as your cheat correctly mimics the behavior of a skillful normal player you're good

[faint sandal]

like it's really not even that hard to understand 😭

[opaque sigil]

0 or 100 pick your poison

[fickle rain]

I mean don’t a ton of ppl run eng samples

[nocturne olive]

Alternatively build hardware that simulates the mouse being moved and sends identical signals
Surely they can't detect it if the signals are identical

[sick owl]

Agreed on this point

[opaque wharf]

I'd rather focus back my attention to HW development

[fiery canopy]

alot of these people just wont

[opaque wharf]

Like this one
https://fixvx.com/morningbrew/status/2057827216864510109

Morning Brew ☕️ (@MorningBrew)

become ungovernable

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vxTwitter / fixvx 💖 691 🔁 49 · May 22, 2026, 2:13 PM

[rough bloom]

and just not having anti-cheat isn't really an option either

[kind fable]

i'd rather have a game where i encounter cheaters than having code from non-kernel devs in my kernel

[glass jetty]

fancy rust syntax
let second_snapshot = select(future(),timeout).await.first().unwrap().unwrap().unwrap().1;

unwrap.

[true hemlock]

from what i heard EAC on vrc also somewhat helped a lot with people intentionally crashing others and shit

[amber fractal]

The person inside:

[kind fable]

• the anti-cheats who slow down my PC when i'm not cheating no thanks
  also yes i use autohotkey to enhance my windows experience i do not care that random anti-cheat doesn't like it

[opaque wharf]

Hey, you get to experience what moses feels like

[sick owl]

EAC isn't too bad, I trust them a lot more than Riot that's for sure

[true hemlock]

pretty useful. my pc itself won't crash but FPS drops are fucking annoying

[true hemlock]

they're pretty decent.

[fiery canopy]

same

[fickle rain]

https://veg.by/en/
EAC people mod videogames

[true hemlock]

at the very least EAC don't bother my random FPGA jank shit

[faint sandal]

DMAGuard prevents bad people from reading memory from "external" devices (in this case, SATA/NVMe-based devices); DMAGuard policy is protected by HVCI, which prevents actors from just silently turning it off

Faceit does this ALREADY

[olive sable]

people say this but then constantly bitch about TF2

[opaque wharf]

I wonder how long until cheater got DIMM stick

[fickle rain]

I can only assume that’d hurt RAM speed

[opaque wharf]

Just reading?

[fickle rain]

I mean won’t signal integrity and shit be affected

tho

[amber fractal]

Banned for using
The devs assumed it was some cheater device

[opaque wharf]

Yes but if you don't target high speed dimm there are still enough tolerance for modern memory controller

[sick owl]

I'm okay with kernel level anticheat but I wish the devs who did it open sourced the stuff so I can at least see what's poking around my system on ring 0

[trim valve]

if you're losing to aimbotters in TF2 you suck

[true hemlock]

this tbh

[olive sable]

i odnt play TF2 so i never lose

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/AzakaSekai_/status/2057878407095234581

安坂星海 Azaka || VTuber (@AzakaSekai_)

↩ (@AzakaSekai_)
I think a lot of people are having fundamental misunderstanding regarding this specific event: IOMMU, HVCI, DMA Remapping are all hardware/software features that are already present in your system.
︀︀
︀︀They ensure no malicious PCIe hardware can perform tampering (specifically for DMAGuard policies backed by HVCI) or reads (DMA can't just read everything when IOMMU is present) - they're just usually not fully enforced. Any privileged processes can already tell Windows to enforce these protections. Anything that supports DMA Remapping (which is really any legitimate hardware that supports the official Microsoft drivers) shouldn't be affected.

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FxTwitter · May 22, 2026, 5:37 PM

[fickle rain]

Ask Gippity to deobfuscate it

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

the problem is that people will then be able to figure out how to get around it

[true hemlock]

depends

[amber fractal]

Just build good software

[faint sandal]

I also want to add DMA Remapping isn't Microsoft driver exclusive - vendors can choose to support it if they wanted

it's just out of the box Microsoft drivers handle them fine

[rigid snow]

look at VAC Live (ML based) in CS2 and how shit it is at actually detecting cheaters. and when they crank the threshold to try and catch more cheaters there always ends up so many false positives they end up reverting
from my experience people end up knowing what trips it. like literally down to “aimbot fov >3deg” so they just set it lower and that’s an ml system
ml system sounds great in theory because it should be able to catch behavior, like wall hacking but it just doesn’t and never has.
are valve just incompetent here or is this actually that hard of a task

[rough bloom]

both probably

[sick owl]

They will anyway, its an eternal arms race

[kind fable]

i only play TF2 inside of minecraft

[rough bloom]

could probably be done if a ton of effort/money was put into it but for now client-side seems to be where it's at

[faint sandal]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/pci/enabling-dma-remapping-for-device-drivers

[fickle rain]

Donald McDonald is chilling on his yacht

[opaque wharf]

And I do not like that the logical end game is locked down hardware that are not yours

[amber fractal]

Didn't know someone used that early Wayland compositor in MC since before it was made

[sick owl]

Short of a cloud machine even this wouldn't be the endgame

The PS5 was "unhackable"

Look how that turned out

[faint sandal]

I think you also have a fundamental misunderstanding that anyone can build compliant hardware

[true hemlock]

finally

someone said it

bruh

[faint sandal]

DMA Remapping is something any driver developer can implement

[rough bloom]

logical end game is the return of the arcade
but it's never gonna go that far

[opaque wharf]

I am not talking about current state

[faint sandal]

well we are talking about the current state

[opaque wharf]

Then read my statement

I am stating that I do not like the logical end game of this arms race

[rigid snow]

they have been working on it for like 8 years now also we don’t talk about client side vac, it may as well not be there. yeah sure just let me open a handle and ReadProcessMemory

[faint sandal]

what specifically have you worried?

[amber fractal]

Hardware design is tough AF, add on top of needing to handle all of the protocols and other things hardware has to do including being functional. That isn't something a person or even Claude can help you with.

[opaque wharf]

That gaming with anti cheat are only possible on console like device

[rough bloom]

they just need to cook harder
-# yeah idk never really looked into server-side anti-cheat that hard

[opaque wharf]

Or heck, maybe even more locked down than that

[faint sandal]

the anticheat arms race will never end that's just how it is

[opaque wharf]

Like cloud gaming

[faint sandal]

same thing with malware

[fickle rain]

When you think about who’s the winner here
Riot team who has to sweat their asses off
Or John McDonald who tweaks a thing every now and then
And third party company does security for him for league

[sick owl]

That wouldn't be the endgame, people cheated at arcades

Or "people" rather, they don't earn the title in my eyes

[opaque wharf]

Yes, and as I said, the logical end game is you not owning the hardware to game with anticheat

[faint sandal]

eventually people will just stop bothering with the game if it's this much of a trouble

[sick owl]

I will never forgive ASS with his 1 mil score on the leaderboard

[rough bloom]

true

real endgame is Neuralink

detect intention of cheating

[opaque wharf]

You jest, but lets just see how it goes

[faint sandal]

precrime arrest

[opaque wharf]

Look at meta now pushing their glasses

Already a privacy nightmare

[true hemlock]

uh

so what about your common devices like mobile phones

[opaque wharf]

It does not record you inconspicuously

Have you seen how meta glasses can record without indication?

[true hemlock]

would you know

[opaque wharf]

Yes, you need to have the camera facing and it is still bulky

Not to mention if you want close up image

You have to pull it out from pocket

[kind fable]

oh no i play recreations

[opaque wharf]

Meanwhile the glasses, you can just move you head close and act like you need to see it better

[kind fable]

not TF2 directly

[sick owl]

Nah then we end up with dodgy aftermarket BCI mods causing people to have seizures

The endgame is just Geforce Now

[true hemlock]

so basically the glasses isn't something new and just a "possible" more "convenient" way to "spy on you"

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/riotgames/status/2057879738350444726 frigging

Riot Games (@riotgames)

Well, that escalated quickly.
︀︀
︀︀There’s been a wave of claims by cheaters about Vanguard “bricking” their PCs, so let’s clear that up: Vanguard does not damage hardware or disable your devices.
︀︀
︀︀The photo we posted is a picture of cheat hardware devices that are sold explicitly for cheating in VALORANT (not normal PCs or PC components). Through our latest updates, Vanguard now makes those devices worthless for VAL, but does not in any way brick PCs or PC components or PC software.
︀︀
︀︀Our latest update enforces standard platform security features, like the Input-Output Memory Management Unit (IOMMU), on accounts identified as using Direct Memory Access (DMA) cheating devices. These protections are already part of modern systems and when enabled, they block DMA cheat devices (such as those shown in the photo) from accessing memory in downstream applications, like our games.
︀︀
︀︀If a cheat setup continues attempting to chea…

FxTwitter · May 22, 2026, 5:42 PM

I TOLD YOU SO 4 HOURS AGO

aaaAAAA

[opaque wharf]

Yes. More convenient and covert and actually integrated to a huge ass company ecosystem unlike cheap temu level spy cam

That same company that has a profile for almost everyone

[rough bloom]

that also definitely doesn't work
you have control over mouse input and video output, so you can still have some form of aim assist or something by just looking at the image

[true hemlock]

which is already possible on your common devices

my point is

[opaque wharf]

It cannot access my camera yet without actual malware

[sick owl]

They clarified ↓

[true hemlock]

take percautions yourself, trust no company

[sick owl]

Probably shouldn't have made that tweet in the first place though guys

Some poor social media intern is getting mulched into coolant for the valorant servers right about now

[opaque wharf]

For example: pegasus

[rough bloom]

what are they even farming views for, they already have money

[opaque wharf]

Unless meta actually exploiting device, then they don't have access to my device

[fickle rain]

PR?

[rough bloom]

mabe

[faint sandal]

pull requests

why do I have free copilot pro

I didn't ask for this

[true hemlock]

same, and also 5TB of onedrive somehow

which

i never even wanted to touch

actually i might, to store some random junk

[faint sandal]

I can't even find out why I have it

it's just there

[sick owl]

I mean no harm in it

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth right

[faint sandal]

yeah but I keep getting "your copilot pro has been renewed" every other month

in my email

it's annoying

[fickle rain]

Don’t look free tokens in the mouth

[faint sandal]

Claude token is enough for me

[true hemlock]

just hoping its not something that's been automatically added by your company on behalf of you with caveats that it eats up some sort of any "quota" system you have in your company

or

idk

[faint sandal]

nah it's not we don't have a GitHub at work

[true hemlock]

worth investigating why all of a sudden you just have it

[faint sandal]

we roll our own internally hosted Gitlab instance

[fickle rain]

Have you tried GPT BTW?

[faint sandal]

no I haven't felt the need to

[true hemlock]

chatgpt is ass

[faint sandal]

I never liked GPT's output back in the 4.x days

[true hemlock]

yeah

same

sloppy

like

its the usual slop i hear in ai generated articles or videos, just so familiar

[faint sandal]

why does it ✅ speak in 🗣️ emo ❌ jis 👍

[fickle rain]

Doesn’t do so for me for whatever it’s worth

[true hemlock]

i liked claude more

[fickle rain]

Also doesn’t refuse particularly often for whatever reason

[faint sandal]

well I haven't felt the need to switch

[true hemlock]

more well tuned to more natural convo

[sick owl]

GPT 5.5 is better than Claude Opus technically speaking, but Claude Opus is so much nicer to work with

[true hemlock]

also worked better lmao

[true hemlock]

nah, ass

[faint sandal]

Claude is fine as-is

[true hemlock]

benchmarkmaxxed scores

[faint sandal]

it just uh

[true hemlock]

ahh

[faint sandal]

constantly yells at me for violating usage policy

[sick owl]

It is genuinely good at what it does https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/our-evaluation-of-openais-gpt-5-5-cyber-capabilities

Its not benchmaxxed, its just unpleasant to use

[fickle rain]

Yeah see GPT just doesn’t give a shit, barely refuses requests

[rough bloom]

that was mostly a 4o thing, they gave all the GPT-5 models much more tolerable behavior

[true hemlock]

weird, opposite happens to me

[fickle rain]

Maybe it’s because I sold my soul to Sam Altman

[faint sandal]

(we are enrolled in CVP)

[rough bloom]

lots of people still prefer Claude though

[fickle rain]

(gave my ID to Persona)

[rough bloom]

it's just

too dangerous

[true hemlock]

GPT refuses to give me ideas on how to torture mosquitoes
claude just went "sure, go ahead, here's some scientifically proven way to stimulate them the worst"

[faint sandal]

earlier I triggered the classifier too

[sick owl]

Meanwhile I had it automate an ARP poisoning attack without telling it that it was in a sim and I'm on the regular consumer version

[true hemlock]

also one time i got bored i asked both to try to code a discord message logger, gpt tried half assing it with some random python lib, claude cooked a whole nice full stack onefile script so ig that's nice

i still wouldn't use either on any serious development

but toying around with it satisfies my freewill needs

[rough bloom]

that just seems like a classifier quirk, usually Anthropic is the one known for going for "safety" over everything else
-# why even use a big model at all for that question

[rough bloom]

ye that sounds more like Claude

[true hemlock]

chatgpt cried whenever it thinks i wanted it to do some TOS-breaking shit
claude be like "this might break TOS, but tell me if you wanted to go ahead anyway on your own risk"

also chatgpt fail basic logics

A LOT

of times

[sick owl]

No resistance btw

It just did it

[true hemlock]

i got lazy often researching about some GDDR datasheet

[rough bloom]

IIRC OpenAI had a period where their models had a tendency to overly refuse stuff? mabe tried during that

[true hemlock]

ask it to briefly give me info on how the total Gbps came to be, idk how it managed to attempt to reason that caching and shit and prefetch somehow gave more raw modulation density

[faint sandal]

I oftentimes have to reframe my purposes

[true hemlock]

like, sorta just breaks logical reasoning with slop surface-level techbros talk

its annoying

[stark needle]

still do

[true hemlock]

i like how claude just went straight to the point

[stark needle]

but was way worse in 5-5.1

[true hemlock]

it still overall does yeah

[marsh coral]

claude has better training

[faint sandal]

"im gonna have to stop you here"
"I have to pause on this one"

[marsh coral]

openai's training is botched and overly restrictive

[faint sandal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1498024262018142381/1498036648103907399/neuroboom.gif

[true hemlock]

this

💀

its so

frustrating

[marsh coral]

TRUEE

[rough bloom]

[marsh coral]

this is why i uh

[rough bloom]

shows how little I use GPT models

[marsh coral]

i switched to open weight models

[true hemlock]

also it fails to reason on special relativity mechanics

[marsh coral]

and never use proprietry anymore

[true hemlock]

also with the same logic fallacy

and slop

[marsh coral]

aka deepseek, qwen, kimi, glm, etc

[stark needle]

gemini 3 flash is uncensored as shit

in ai studio

[faint sandal]

I mean Claude still hallucinates stuff but generally I can catch them or have it verify its claims

[marsh coral]

hmm

[true hemlock]

i used these models like at most 4x a week

[marsh coral]

yh GPT keeps gaslighting

[true hemlock]

i might not know much either so well

[stark needle]

just need to turn off this shit in ai studio

[faint sandal]

a more enforced system prompt helps

[true hemlock]

THIS

[marsh coral]

like why cant GPT js go and SEARCH

it has this built in web search tool

but never uses it

with other models

specifically my experience with deepseek

they will run through 10 web searches

to verify all the facts

and find sources

[true hemlock]

i had to argue with it that it gets A LOT of details from PUBLICLY AVAILABLE datasheets WRONG and it just kept refusing to back out till i forced it to just search

[marsh coral]

reducing hallucination

[marsh coral]

😭 😭

[true hemlock]

then it goes "oh wait you're right, but also with caveats" and then proceeds to STILL tried reasoning with its shit and goes "here's the part where you're wrong"

[rough bloom]

I use LLMs fairly frequently now but just rarely GPT or anything from OpenAI
not even because of quality or anything, they're just expensive
little reason to use when you have Gemini or Deepseek

[marsh coral]

truee

js get deepseek v4 flash and ur good

[faint sandal]

our admin changed my budget cap 3 times in the last 10 days

[marsh coral]

for heavier work

[faint sandal]

$50 to $125 to $200

[marsh coral]

gemini or qwen 3.7

[faint sandal]

because I keep going over 70%

[true hemlock]

openai's shit felt entry level

and just

idk man feels like only boomers and kids used it

and kids really really like to use it as if its a verified/trusted source

[marsh coral]

yh

[faint sandal]

we've seen plenty of TAs use it so I guess they must be normies

[true hemlock]

"b-but chatgpt said"

[marsh coral]

ppl should use AI properly

[true hemlock]

"chatgpt told me"

[marsh coral]

rather than js relying on GPT for everything smh

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah did you see, the deepseek 4 pro discount is permanent now

[marsh coral]

like check sources

verify facts

look at websites

[marsh coral]

tho ngl i might not use it

since qwen 3.7 is releasing

[amber fractal]

:SHUT: slop mind offset

I do admit I've done this a few times

[faint sandal]

I mean that'll still be an issue regardless of the model

[true hemlock]

yeah

though i trusted gpt the least because in my experience of using it

[opaque sigil]

they also iirc said it'll get cheaper again in h2 when their huawei cluster is online so i guess we'll see

[true hemlock]

it gets things wrong

a lot of it

[faint sandal]

"I wrote this entire report with Claude"

looks inside
blatant hallucinations

[true hemlock]

you have the AGI schizo going "i wrote this theorem with gemini"

[marsh coral]

the power of liang wenfeng's hedge fund and open source

[faint sandal]

I have no problem with LLM-assisted work that's been fact checked

[rough bloom]

they have some fun models for local use but I don't really trust Qwen
smells too much like benchmaxxing + they have long reasoning traces I think

[amber fractal]

I've been trying to archive in the fourum mods refuse to close

[faint sandal]

LLM-genetated on the other hand

[marsh coral]

hmm true

[true hemlock]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1497044635900444782
occasionally from educated standpoint these are fun to read comedy

[marsh coral]

their reasoning can be

rly rly rly long

[rough bloom]

ye

[marsh coral]

but i do need them for multilingual support

[true hemlock]

but otherwise it also gives you aneurysm

[amber fractal]

We now using this for archival

[marsh coral]

since they r one of the best models that r fluent in indonesian

but for general use

[true hemlock]

hell yeah

[rough bloom]

flashbacks to QwQ spending a few thousand tokens on 1+1

[marsh coral]

i use deepseek v4 flash

[faint sandal]

Claude isn't great at zh-TW

[marsh coral]

[faint sandal]

I find Gemini to work better

or Gemma

[true hemlock]

llms can be damn good on certain tasks

[marsh coral]

probs cuz claude's training data is mostly english

[sick owl]

Agreed, this is the Linux Foundation's stance too

[marsh coral]

but gemini has google data which is global

so theres more multilingual support

[sick owl]

The problem is one of effort

[true hemlock]

its why i'm fine with people using it in an assistive role

so long as its been thoroughly checked

[faint sandal]

it certainly cannot replace my day to day work

most times I find things way faster than it does

but it does give me suggestions or clues that I might have missed

[rough bloom]

pretty much the only reasonable policy for open-source stuff with open contributions
because it's the only you can try to enforce

[faint sandal]

and I go and check it and sometimes yeah it really is something I missed

[true hemlock]

it does the fullstack field fine sometimes but still require checking
its horrible at low level implementations like fairly complex compute related codes still

[faint sandal]

nah it can handle low level pretty decently these days

[opaque sigil]

claude does pretty well at kernel optimisation if you give it a proper loop where it can test and profile

the other models too

source: me

[true hemlock]

fair honestly

[faint sandal]

the other day Claude was able to guess the source code of a Zig loader from the disassembly, build the code locally, and found that its recreation was byte by byte identical to the malware

[true hemlock]

though in my case with HPC

[faint sandal]

I was seriously impressed by that

[silent cloak]

Could be open source

[faint sandal]

no, it was a proprietary loader developed in-house by a state sponsored actor

[rough bloom]

for all the stupid hype made around "agentic" AI stuff this is a real benefit, yeah

[true hemlock]

also somewhat ass with verilog

still

so pretty useless for FPGA work

[faint sandal]

specifically the API hashing resolver

sure it's relatively simple code but the fact that it was able to do that byte by byte was pretty neat

[silent cloak]

Imagine if they just used claude to make the malware

[true hemlock]

meh

[faint sandal]

they didn't :p

I know things that I cannot say

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I just want to say that for those who ask how they can afford Heino / DMA device, it is because some of them are an installment plan loooool There were more users there, but they left after the exit scam

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