programming

[fiery canopy]

libary

has been building for 45 mins

and has failed

for

the most outlandish bull shit reason

AGHAUOFUAJFUODJF

[hard delta]

you can't accidentally delete the password because you can just roll back to the previous commit :200iq:

beautiful

[sage crag]

eeeeeeee

kpifgjh

rr

[true hemlock]

im disappointed of vedals choice of server

HES RICHER

[opaque wharf]

I'm starting to think konii is sending password in partial format

[true hemlock]

HOW IS HE ONLY HAVE LIKE

1/4 THE CORE COUNT VS MINE

1/6 ram

also threadripper

[olive sable]

quack you're not even a fair comparison

[true hemlock]

should've went with

epyc

[true hemlock]

he is richer....

far richer

even when considering my grants

[olive sable]

trie actually

[nocturne olive]

If he plans to run game VMs on it the Threadripper is better for performance no?

[hard delta]

would you give your idiot child a $1 million body or a $20k body they can crash a few times within budget

now what about two idiot children identical twin daughters that also fight

[sage crag]

pa

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-sleepy-gooba-owa-owaowa-gif-2311503198775714764

[opaque wharf]

I am not your dad

[sage crag]

notbpa

oaonomaropoeia

[opaque wharf]

Here, go learn more math instead
https://youtu.be/triNEat764M

[sage crag]

plu

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-rabbit-bnuuy-mad-throw-gif-9293990247364199397

soegy

[split steppe]

[hard delta]

what do i have to type into vscode to suddenly become motivated ⁉️

[split steppe]

drugs

lots of coffee will do

[olive sable]

you open the vscode temrinal and type sudo poweroff

[hard delta]

i don't feel motivated

[olive sable]

and then you stop programming for a 3 month break,a nd when you're back from your break you'll hav emotivation

maybe

if not try again

[hard delta]

nothing on the outside nothing on the inside

[hard delta]

i'm at month 8

[split steppe]

press enter of course

[trim valve]

so step one

go for a 3 hour walk

[split steppe]

step one: leave your house
step two: don't come back

[hard delta]

gee idk

gotta be back by mom's eye surgery to help out

so step two not viable

[hard delta]

colors are changing but otherwise i don't feel much

[split steppe]

getting somewhere

you've written a valid ruby program

[olive sable]

you open youtube, you procrastinate for 23 hours, you sleep for 14 hours, and then you have a decent meal before you work

[nocturne olive]

Me when "AssertionError: all notes are rest in {name}" ```kt
val restRegex = Regex(",(rest ?)+,")

fun cleanRests(csvPath: String) {
val file = File(csvPath)
val backupFile = File(file.parent + "/backup.csv")

file.copyTo(backupFile)
FileOutputStream(file).writer().use { output ->
    backupFile.forEachLine { line ->
        if (!line.contains(restRegex)) {
            output.write(line + "\n")
        }
    }
}

}

[split steppe]

ah yes the mythical 37 hour day

[tropic spindle]

*23 years

[split steppe]

didn't know anyone used kotlin seriously

[nocturne olive]

I sure do

My go-to lang

[split steppe]

i guess having the infinite java ecosystem handy helps

[nocturne olive]

And Compose is

[split steppe]

is that the ui framework?

[nocturne olive]

[split steppe]

is it native?

[nocturne olive]

Well I don't know but it's pretty good

At least it's not a webview

[split steppe]

ah it's not native

just a custom renderer like most others

[nocturne olive]

Well either way it's really amazing to use

So far the only actually seriously usable GUI framework I've found

[split steppe]

looks like it's copying swiftui, which does have glowing reviews atleast for simple stuff

[nocturne olive]

[split steppe]

same style https://developer.apple.com/swiftui/

[sick owl]

Okay, just tested the STT logic for my stack chan firmware

We are good to go

Runs entirely on my servers CPU at a couple times faster than realtime

Based on Parakeet TDT V2 0.6B

[split steppe]

speaking of, i found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Automatic_Mouth
which will suit my early needs perfectly, with some espeak-ng default voices too as an alt

SAM is surprisingly understandable for being purely algorithmic and from 1982

[sick owl]

If you want a good low resource TTS engine you could just go with Kokoro 82M

Its pretty robust for what it is

[nocturne olive]

Concat synthesis is great

[split steppe]

nah i want the scuffed sound for part of what i'm doing

[velvet vale]

well

[split steppe]

SAM is exactly what i was after

[velvet vale]

I/O has finally ended

for today at least

that was a lot of words they said

[split steppe]

i just wish there was more concat synthesis programs i could use with my own voice, seems most resources have been taken over by AI/NN approaches

[nocturne olive]

UTAU

[split steppe]

i don't think they've said anything good for the past 5 years at io

[velvet vale]

spark seems cool

new search seems god awful

[split steppe]

i looked it a bit but it seems a bit convoluted to get into and most tools not meant for realtime, couldn't find a nice guide. i mostly want to: record a handful of phonemes and drive it through code in realtime

[velvet vale]

ask youtube seems god awful

has anyone here tried antigravity?

is it as shit balls as it looks?

[nocturne olive]

You could most likely just write one yourself, doesn't sound too complicated

[split steppe]

i probably will

not that i'm complaining, most of the stuff i want for my ARG is kind of niche

also found out SAM is perfect for creating glitch sounds that i wanted

[olive sable]

hi

uhm

please stop using me to create glitch sounds

[kind nimbus]

❯ rlwrap -cAR nc -nvlp 53
Connection from 172.16.18.14:65365
Windows PowerShell
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Install the latest PowerShell for new features and improvements! https://aka.ms/PSWindows

PS C:\xampp\htdocs\samurai\wp-content\plugins\malicious>

Catching a reverse shell is the best feeling in the world ngl

[patent shard]

a new version was released but it's mvsep exclusive

[silent cloak]

damn ruined my evening

[olive sable]

i didnt even do anything

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

how can you see into my eyes like open doors

[silent cloak]

ngl the chorus never went as hard to me as the rest of the song

[kind nimbus]

Wake me up

[kind nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-me-up-inside-evanescence-amy-lee-gif-12122545

[silent cloak]

me when my alarm (that is literally for deaf people) doesnt wake me up

[kind nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-pipes-evil-neuro-neuro-sama-gif-17176048630281604301

Need that as an alarm sound

[frozen igloo]

Try this

[kind nimbus]

I feel like this would give me a heart attack

[silent cloak]

id be dead asleep

doxed

[kind nimbus]

Whoops

Didn't even see that

[mighty thorn]

2DTok has been going well

In the meantime I made a multi user live vc transcriber

I’m only missing a few components for the first proper version of my Neuro clone

[silent cloak]

Blue any day

[sick owl]

You might as well make the python pill cyanide

I say that as a python guy

[fast pagoda]

have to use C++ 🥀
or
Roasted forever 🥀

power went out
which means cold boot and full speed fans for about a year

need case so bad

noise pollution at home so i can tell them they arent allowed to build datacenters

it's already too noisy

[fickle rain]

Legendary Python LLVM pass?

https://github.com/LLVMParty/llvm-nanobind

[shy axle]

Fellow Python user?

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-butler-reading-paper-dgQqSYyXD6XwGrTzl7

[shy axle]

Get a thinkpad

[fast pagoda]

i have enough shitty laptops

[amber fractal]

Idk how I got a .DS_STORE despite being on Linux and windows

[real quail]

HI VEDAL

I had a question that I soo wanted to ask you

[mighty thorn]

Uh oh

https://giphy.com/gifs/neuro-vedal-vedal987-W81oag0eMTb0RYjm7t

[real quail]

How long did it take to train Neurosama?
Ngl - cuz training anything (no matter how small) requires like 1.5 months of train time-
😭

[real quail]

(Nothing happened trust)

[nocturne olive]

What kinda thing are you training to take that long, my longest training run of all time was 3 days or so

[real quail]

Wait how many parameter were u on?

[nocturne olive]

It was something around 100 million

[real quail]

WHAT

[nocturne olive]

Surely you haven't been training on a 20 year old CPU right?

[real quail]

im at 6 million params 😭
Training an LLM from scratch
And my eta is 1,200 hrs

[nocturne olive]

Surely you're using GPU acceleration

[real quail]

No its the MacBook M3 with mps acceleration

...

[nocturne olive]

Oh that makes sense
Mac will not do for AI training

Inference will work fine, but for training you will need Nvidia usually

[real quail]

Guess what

My only other Nvidia chip with me

[shy axle]

Ahh yes I too was once hopeful like you

back in my day

Nothing but a cpu and dreams

[nocturne olive]

As long as you've got an Nvidia GPU, you can actually train reasonable big models reasonably quickly
My 3090 can do a 100M parameter DiffSinger in about a day

Essentially, go GPU or go home

[shy axle]

You can try use kaggle, they lend out 2 T4’s or 1 P100 for 30 hrs a week

If u don’t wanna spend a cent

[mighty thorn]

ha

im doing 175k

(that’s ~34x less, for the mathematically challenged)

[shy axle]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[wispy pike]

neurosama existed since 2021 and it's been constantly iterated upon

so try 5 years

[frozen igloo]

Early Neuro was just the osu bot not the llm

[silent cloak]

She is a fine tuned model

So honestly not long

Unless he trained it on desktop

[silent cloak]

Technically 2018

The era of the only decent guides and sources being academic research papers and tenorflow/keras

[old totem]

is there no way to for loop variables

im making a calendar

[shy axle]

Counter of all the things my macmini 8 2018 has done and still survived:

Dropped 3x from my desk (somehow)

running at 100% cpu for multiple days at a time

had a broke usb adaptor put into it and accepted it (also somehow)

[high brook]

I onve needed to iterate over two ynamic list in python in tandem. I used the zip function and just broke the tuple back apart

[shy axle]

scratched me bcus the edges are oddly sharp

also had a diff laptop placed on top of it

made odd creaking noises

placed in the sun

[high brook]

My 2011 Dell laptop survived getting tossed out a second story window like a frisbee

[shy axle]

how....

also survived the closet of doom and despair for 5 years

actually 7 now that i think abt it

and somehow

nothing is broken on it

[high brook]

I managed to somehow catch it by the ethernet cable i had plugged into it. I somhow grabbed the cable with the laptop only a couple inches off the ground

[shy axle]

except for the sd card slot but im 99% sure thats actually a speaker

[shy axle]

dam

[high brook]

Very angry roommate. I left that day

he tossed all my stuff in the yard by time o got back to get it

[stark solstice]

wait i just read you gotta train llms or does that include openai and llama or do you just have to fine tune those?

[high brook]

he later asked me to help him out. Told him to fuck off

[shy axle]

just finetune if ur using base models

or use LoRA if ur lazy

[stark solstice]

oh okay thanks there was 1 more question i had and thats integrating into discord i tried using python since most of my code is python but i read that discord.py is experimental and very fragile should i use a server and a node bridge instead?

[shy axle]

uh no

discord.py isnt experemental

it works fine

probably old logs

[stark solstice]

it does, i was having so many issues with it i even tried downgrading the version and still couldn't get it to work

[shy axle]

???

well are u just using it for back and forth

like discord bot integration

[stark solstice]

audio receiving and audio playing in a discord call is what i was using it for

[shy axle]

oh thats a bit experemental

the audio send is easy but the recieve is hard

[stark solstice]

yeah thought so

yeah that was the trouble i was having

[shy axle]

you can work around it using virtual audio cable and routing the audio from ur system or discord window into the program

but that means that you have to be in the call too

[stark solstice]

yeah my old project used that but it corrupted somewhere and i lost everything, well thanks for the help ill start the vac import now

[shy axle]

[flint dome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAWZ2Zjsah0

what the fuck

a computer out of knex

[tender river]

[olive sable]

Thats sick

[flint dome]

babbage would be proud

[shy axle]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[patent shard]

that's actually genius... using BMP and zipping for lossless images
I'd probably rather just use avc or hevc cause it should get pretty close (or better in some cases)

[tender river]

webp works well too

[rough bloom]

isn't that mostly just png but worse?

[patent shard]

I don't think so

I think it heavily varies but it can get extremely good compression
I assume it compresses the combination of files together, right?

so if it's a video, it would compress extremely well

[patent shard]

yeah.. but I mean for like a video
not completely separate images

[opaque wharf]

Bro, using specific compression algorithms for the task usually yields better results than using general purpose compression algorithm

[sage crag]

zip is deflate

lossless png is also deflate + some extra stuff

you can also do

qoi + deflate

that typically works better than default png encoding settings

[patent shard]

yeah, zipping seems to be around the efficiency of webp, eh

I just use oxipng for pngs

[kind fable]

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[rough bloom]

if encoding video then

probably use lossless video encoding

like FFV1 or H.264 with lossless settings

[sage crag]

h264 lossless

mug

[rough bloom]

ye

mug

[sage crag]

lossless video compression is difficult

big huge

[rough bloom]

nobody ever uses

not necessary

[sage crag]

[rough bloom]

visually lossless is like 10% of the size

and looks the same

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-rabbit-bnuuy-mad-throw-gif-9293990247364199397

[trim valve]

it gets used sometimes

[rough bloom]

ye

[patent shard]

I think apng is pretty competitive
I remember trying avc and it was higher file size
or was it hevc, I don't remember

[trim valve]

wrr

[rough bloom]

used sometimes

[sage crag]

apng

[rough bloom]

by nobody

[trim valve]

I don't wanna have to write my own audio protocol

[sage crag]

[trim valve]

pain

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

try avif

[patent shard]

avif is good for lossy but I don't think it's super competitive for lossless

[sage crag]

[trim valve]

is quic too much

[sage crag]

it av1

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

av1 inside

like intel

pc

laptop

Intel® Inside

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

Intel® Inside™

[rough bloom]

not sure if good for audio

[sage crag]

WHALES

[patent shard]

but, really, I do think apng is really efficient if you want truly lossless

[sage crag]

aeeeeoooooouuuuoooop

aeeeeeooooouuuuuuuuuu

[patent shard]

also, avif doesn't support rgb I think

[rough bloom]

do try a proper lossless video codec

[sage crag]

pluu

av1

h265

h264

[patent shard]

hevc is pretty good but I think apng was better for rgb or 4:4:4 yuv encoding

[trim valve]

it doesn't need to be listenable

basically

[rough bloom]

[patent shard]

av1 is known to not be great for lossless

[trim valve]

I'm doing discord vc -> code (i.e. python library)

[rough bloom]

ye then QUIC is fine probably

[sage crag]

apng should not be better than

hevc

[trim valve]

because I keep seeing chatters making increasingly terrible solutions

[sage crag]

encoder issue

[rough bloom]

what about

send VC audio through

ICMP echo requests

[sage crag]

send vc audio through

morse code

[patent shard]

I didn't think so either cause you know hevc can do interframe encoding
but idk

[sage crag]

pings

[patent shard]

maybe it just depends

[trim valve]

send it over exclusively http headers

[sage crag]

send audio over cookie

[trim valve]

mmmm

cookie

[sage crag]

mm

🍳

[rough bloom]

build robot that sits in Discord VC and types audio data using keyboard

[opaque wharf]

Look at mumble

[jagged turtle]

what

[opaque wharf]

Unless you really want to roll out your own

[sage crag]

send audio over

radio

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

it spits out the

the the

frequency data

as text

so you can imagine the sound

[trim valve]

unironically

I have considered writing a radio <-> slack bridge

because it would be funny

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/yourarchivist-orange-bunny-bunny-bunny-rub-bunny-pet-gif-8698959216037485971

this bnuy is a bread

:ERT:

[rigid snow]

🐇

[opaque wharf]

This cat is a terrible driver

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

REAL

[trim valve]

whoa

when I zoom in on the rabbit it changes colour

[rigid snow]

wait wtf yeah

[trim valve]

discord thank you so much for obliterating colour profiles from images

but only sometimes

[obsidian mantle]

Is it really worth it

[rigid snow]

yes

[sage crag]

it so tiny

i want to eat it

if i raise a rabbit it will be a

mini lop

[gentle haven]

Mmm question

How easy is it to make a maintain a ai.

[sage crag]

look how small you are

it legitimately brings tears to my eyes

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

how tiny

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

[rough bloom]

[tender river]

send audio through

packet loss

[sage crag]

evilwajaja

[tender river]

what is it saying i cant hear

[sage crag]

🕊️

[tender river]

ye snack

[opaque wharf]

*petsaustralia

*is in the great britain

[rigid snow]

image search not ad

[sage crag]

YOU ARE A FLUFF

FUZZ ON CARPET

[rigid snow]

NOT make carpet

[sage crag]

ye no make carpet

[tender river]

is this the bnuuy named snowball

[sage crag]

orang

i like the orgne colour

it doesnt have to be

lop eared

but

it cute

[tender river]

non-lop lop

[sage crag]

ye

can be pointy

as long as small

[tender river]

[sage crag]

if it can fit in my pocket

then it is acceptable

[tender river]

dont squish it

[sage crag]

i wont

[tender river]

[shy axle]

baked to perfection

[stark needle]

no 🦊

[shy axle]

yes :D

[stark needle]

[trim valve]

wrrrr

scope creeped

[tender river]

scope crepe

[trim valve]

idk how to write this well

[tender river]

https://tenor.com/view/crepes-dessert-yummy-delicious-sweet-gif-17917344

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-rabbit-cute-yummy-strawberry-silly-gif-11015733056807198532

[shy axle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/neuron-activation-1--k01KS2CA0159X82AVF9Z2QWBTB4

me see food

food make hungry

me eat random pantry snack now

[trim valve]

wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I remember why this project has never been finished

[stark needle]

[trim valve]

shadow you're a nerd right

hypothetically, if you wanted a library to pull audio from a vc

how would you want it to look from the consumer end

[stark needle]

Wym like user interface or?

[trim valve]

yeah

[stark needle]

To do what recording or?

[trim valve]

literally just take a discord vc and give it to some arbitrary code

i.e. for people who need to give discord vc abilities to their discord gf ai

[stark needle]

Just use virtual audio cable no? Or do u mean a discord bot or

[trim valve]

yee discord bot

because then you can get per-speaker audio channels

[stark needle]

Maybe an input where copy link/copy channel id can be used and then expose the channel audios as a stream in a protocol buffer

[trim valve]

oh true protobuf could work here

[stark needle]

Yeah way more efficient than sending shit via json cause serialized

[trim valve]

I never said anything about json lol

moreso that I was gonna fully roll my own protocol

[rough bloom]

could also

steal VBAN

[trim valve]

oh true

there is a rust vban crate

[rough bloom]

[stark needle]

Or create webrtc streams

[rough bloom]

WebRTC more reasonable if over internet probably

but complicated

[trim valve]

webrtc feels wrong

I don't need audio to get dropped

like the audio isn't going to a human's ears

[rough bloom]

VBAN does drop samples if necessary to keep latency I think

[trim valve]

I might just use grpc

[rough bloom]

I probably would roll my own here
but ye mabe gRPC or something also work

[trim valve]

idk if I'd rather roll my own or grpc

[rough bloom]

since latency isn't important it doesn't seem that difficult
just have TCP connection and then send the samples with simple frames containing any necessary metadata

[trim valve]

hm

yeah honestly that's probably best

also tempted to figure out how easy it'd be to link to davinci resolve

which is made harder by my davinci resolve install not working

must fight the urge to modify my minecraft packet macro to work for this protocol

that thing was majestic

[trim valve]

wait chat I can just use websockets

side rant, why does obs have like no support for timecode

[jagged turtle]

I just tried github copilot's cli just as a test
safe to say I am not touching that ever again

[glass flower]

i used it quite a bit... it does seem to be a fine harness.. but it eats tokens like crazy any small change and its at like 2 million cached tokens. And i don't like how it doesn't show you what has changed

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah speaking of harnesses, apparently they decided to update antigravity to the new one that isn't actually an IDE instead of the one that's an IDE and i don't think there's a way to move past convos back

well done google

[glass flower]

[opaque sigil]

also gemini cli is being replaced by antigravity-cli so that's cool, who needs an open source harness anyway

[opaque wharf]

Mumble uses grpc

[jagged turtle]

it's a good harness in aesthetics only it seems

it couldn't figure out a simple docker build issue

[opaque wharf]

https://github.com/mumble-voip/mumble/tree/master/docs/dev/network-protocol

[opaque wharf]

I lied. They used the protobuf only

[glass flower]

weird.. i didn't really have issues with it not being able to fix things..

[trim valve]

I don't really wanna build this on mumble

because:

• the target consumer is code, not a person
• I have a pre-existing dislike for mumble due to lack of functional apps on mobile

[opaque wharf]

You can use their protocol and library, not needing to roll your own

[trim valve]

eeeh

sounds more complicated than pcm over websocket

[opaque wharf]

If you don't need to do anymore processing then technically the best way is to just open a raw socket then make it stream the data there

[rough bloom]

issue is

need multiplexing

for multiple channels

[trim valve]

yee

websocket gives me framing

and me lazy

[opaque wharf]

Not on the requirement

[rough bloom]

it is

Discord vc has multiple speakers

[opaque sigil]

surely ffmpeg can handle this

[trim valve]

I mean

[opaque wharf]

But the bot will listen to all through discord proprietary way no? The problem is the sending it to other code

[trim valve]

I have actually had this setup pipe to ffmpeg in the past

it worked kinda well

haven't touched it since died though

[opaque sigil]

it can read/write from/to arbitrary sockets right

[opaque wharf]

So best way is to listen to multiple port to handle multiple code listening

[rough bloom]

that technically works

but probably more annoying than just using framing

[opaque sigil]

also what about the encryption

isn't all voice now encrypted

[opaque wharf]

I thought this is all a problem to solve AFTER the bot managed to get data from VC

[rough bloom]

ye it is I think

getting the vc data in the first place is also more difficult because encryption but has surely been solved already

[trim valve]

yeah getting vc data is solved

my goal is just to pipe pcm to some code

[opaque wharf]

See, then just listen over multiple port

[trim valve]

do I look like I live in 1995

[sage crag]

ye

[trim valve]

in this household

we do one stream per ipv6

[rough bloom]

[tender river]

[gritty dust]

[novel flare]

How do you have that font?

[tender river]

stole it

[novel flare]

from

[sage crag]

the cia

[tender river]

ye

[kind nimbus]

GitHub got compromised. Entire source code and private user and org repos are for sale.

Microslop is slopping again

[tender river]

wasnt me

[kind nimbus]

I would advise everyone to change your passwords as internal dbs including hashes most likely got compromised as well

[jagged turtle]

sauce?

[kind nimbus]

https://x.com/i/trending/2056895836131385457

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[jagged turtle]

oh that thing

yeah that's already been mentioned here

[minor crag]

So I've ported my tokenizer to rust and it is some amount faster (idk how to check) so its now time to port the MLP thingy (technical term)

Also the luau tokenizer used integers to store tokens but the rust one uses 1 byte per token

[stark needle]

How is this possible? Is each token 1 single character?

[minor crag]

Yes

And it only supports printable ASCII

[stark needle]

Why not just implement BPE or what's wrong with it

[minor crag]

From my limited testing my custom embedding magic works better with 1 token = 1 letter and I've got the compute to do it

So I'm just doing it that way

Also rust is mad at capital letters and that makes me mad at rust

[stark needle]

Training a llm with this is very suboptimal cause

U would need extreme learning density

To break down everything into single letters

[minor crag]

Yea I know its suboptimal

But it works better (in my testing) and I've saved enough compute in other places for this to be fine

So I don't see a reason to not do it like this

[spark vortex]

Thats dumb, why would one developer have this much access?

They had it coming

[minor crag]

?

[spark vortex]

Sorry I was talking about the topic above

[minor crag]

I assumed so

Just wanted to make sure

[true hemlock]

😭

[fast pagoda]

byte level modal collapse machine

[sage crag]

beep beep

[true hemlock]

inb4 dude feeds back whatever tf the model spew as a training data and call it "feedback loop learning"

[sage crag]

this person has a history

of

[fast pagoda]

innovation

[sage crag]

ill-adventured ml projects

innovation*

right

[fast pagoda]

dare to be different

[true hemlock]

dudes just doing everything thats an obvious "DON"'Ts" in machine learning field

[fast pagoda]

fail in new and better more exotic ways

[sage crag]

failure mode

catastrophic

[fickle rain]

https://github.com/dmaivel/ntoseye
I wonder if this breaks if Hyper-V is enabled in VM

(it probably does)

Maybe if you use the COM port backend

[fickle rain]

Big fan of being able to just vibecode new "features" for it tho

[minor crag]

I like how people assume my unconventional magic is just insane / won't work yet I implemented the system before and have had it working just fine with a 1.5B model

It isn't like I'm reinventing the wheel by using a byte level model instead of normal BPE

if people wanna be sceptical of my methods then why not be sceptical of me using meta learning instead of backprop

[opaque wharf]

But you managed to get it from the cia

[onyx sable]

im getting this modulenotfound error and im completely lost as to how to fix it

Requirement already satisfied: numpy in C:\Users\ninte\miniforge3\envs\ece105\Lib\site-packages (2.4.4)
PS C:\Users\ninte\Code\More shit i need for school\Lab5\starter code> & C:\Users\ninte\AppData\Local\Python\pythoncore-3.14-64\python.exe "c:/Users/ninte/Code/More shit i need for school/Lab5/starter code/pso_harness.py"
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "c:\Users\ninte\Code\More shit i need for school\Lab5\starter code\pso_harness.py", line 14, in <module>
    import numpy as np
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'numpy'```

[hard delta]

this is probably gonna be some virtual environment stuff

[onyx sable]

someone else recommended that but i have no idea how to set one up

[hard delta]

moreso that in, you're already using it

installed numpy globally but not in the venv

if you're using some big smart ide like pycharm etc, they might have their own little interface somewhere to handle installing dependencies

[onyx sable]

ive deactivated every env that im aware of

[onyx sable]

im using vsc and i dont like it

[hard delta]

oh yeah also idk if working directory affects it

not sure otherwise, never spent more than 3 days using python at a time xD

[onyx sable]

python is terrible and i hate working with it but i have to for school

[split steppe]

based

[sage crag]

python is Perfectly Capable™

[onyx sable]

me when im handed a 1000 line python file and all the variable types are ambiguous:

[sage crag]

use a

type checker

[onyx sable]

yeah but thats like... work

[split steppe]

ah yes the python typecheckers which barely work

[sage crag]

python is a scripting language, its a valid criticism of scripting languages but not of python in particular imo

strong typing is convenient for

systems programming languages

[split steppe]

python is particularly bad at it though, same as ruby

[sage crag]

at least its better than bash

[split steppe]

the extreme dynamism means you barely know what you're getting, and it's exponentially worse in larger codebases

[sage crag]

string or integer

[split steppe]

yea but you aren't writing 1000 lines of bash

[onyx sable]

python is mostly used to tech new programmers the fundamentals before moving on to other languages

[sage crag]

[split steppe]

i don't understand why people decided python is good for beginners, it's absolutely not

[onyx sable]

its because it reads like english

kind of

[sage crag]

python is the language that anyone who wants to make something, and isnt a dedicated programmer, will use before other languages

due to its huge ecosystem

[onyx sable]

^

[split steppe]

usage sure, but it's a poor choice for education though

[onyx sable]

i mean its kinda good for really small scale 1-off projects

[split steppe]

i would pick C over python, anytime

[onyx sable]

but even then

[sage crag]

python is amazing for data science and ml despite it being a scripting language

[onyx sable]

i should learn more programming languages

rn i only know python, java, and C++ and i havent used C++ in ages

[sage crag]

such that its not uncommon to prefer python over things like julia or R for data science

[split steppe]

literally only because people chose to use it for ML, none of the actual ML code is written in python

[sage crag]

cross platform file-system:

[split steppe]

the python side is only bindings to C++ libraries

[sage crag]

yes, the shared libraries are written in cpp or c or rust or whatever

but

the programs are written in python

[split steppe]

yea because one corp decided to use python for the bindings of their proprietary ml libs

[sage crag]

the ml is written in python, it calls to libraries like torch because they exist, work, and are fast

[sage crag]

its because mathematicians arent programmers

[split steppe]

mathematicians use R

[sage crag]

r or julia or python or matlab or c or

but python is simply the most convenient

R and julia are good, ive used them both for datascience

they arent as flexible as python though

[split steppe]

sure, but python is only a recently popular thing, mainly because of the 1 or 2 proprietary ml libs and the gold rush after them

[sage crag]

the point is

[split steppe]

in DS/ML specifically

[sage crag]

python has its place

[marsh coral]

yh python is very flexible and easy to learn

but honestly it should be more for quick scripting

[sage crag]

its not a bad language, and its not useless

[marsh coral]

rather than building huge codebases

[sage crag]

there are cases to use it over c

it depends on what youre making

[split steppe]

my point is it's a bad language to teach programming

[marsh coral]

tru

[marsh coral]

i mean it is the easiest to learn when u r starting

but when u actually wanna learn programming seriously

[sage crag]

it doesnt really matter what language you use to teach programming

[marsh coral]

look for another language

like C

since its low level

[sage crag]

initial learners wont find a difference

[split steppe]

and then you have to unlearn literally everything you "learned" from python

[rough bloom]

will teach

Malbolge

[sage crag]

foundational computer science is the same in every language

[marsh coral]

rly?

[sage crag]

as long as youre happy

[marsh coral]

my uni makes learning C mandatory to understand low level programming concepts

[rough bloom]

ye it is

[split steppe]

what kind of education you got that they're teaching foundational CS in python

[sage crag]

if you want to do something in any c-family language, good chances are the code will look very similar no matter which one you choose, as long as youre writing from first principles

[sage crag]

its a serviceable language, the slander is crazy

sure it wont teach you about memory management, but its value as a learning tool is not to be understated

[rough bloom]

"serious" programming exclusive to C

low level != good for everything

[sage crag]

serious programming is when x86 asm

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

i love being stuck on

[split steppe]

if you're not writing microcode you're not serious

[sage crag]

1 architecture

1 microarchitecture

[split steppe]

1 version of a cpu's microarchitecture

[sage crag]

ye

[rough bloom]

1 SKU

[split steppe]

breaks on firmware update

[sage crag]

different version different microarch

[rough bloom]

actually just make ASIC

[marsh coral]

tru python is rly good for beginners starting out

its js that well

if u wanna go deeper to low level systems programming

then u phase out and switch from python

[sage crag]

if you want to do systems programming in python, its like telling a horse to fly

surely this is obvious

[onyx sable]

Alr my dad found the problem and apparently python was installed more than once

[marsh coral]

yh

[split steppe]

"python was installed more than once"
statements dreamed up by the insane

[sage crag]

its very possible on windows

[hard delta]

unless it's embedded in some yamls for the test cluster

[sage crag]

installed on

wsl
msys2
microsoft store
official installer

[split steppe]

dont forget one of the 12 different venv solutions

[sage crag]

wrr

[split steppe]

whatever the hell python people are snorting at this point

[sage crag]

the distribution of any programming language on windows looks like this

its not just python

its far worse for c actually

[split steppe]

nah, grab tcc and compile anywhere anytime, stick it on a usb stick

[sage crag]

dont write c on windows its not worth it

[hard delta]

i think it's good for baby's first taste of success
like you sit down a guy who never wrote a single line of code, you have to explain less things for them to do their own personalized witty version of hello world or calculator than in idk java

and since a lot of people especially today run on those instant gratification successes to not give up 25 minutes in

it became the beginnerlang™

[split steppe]

honestly i would use Lua and Love2D for an absolute beginner

easy graphics, also reads like english

[sage crag]

2d graphics for someone who doesnt even know how to

print("hello")

[rough bloom]

ye

[split steppe]

love.graphics.print("hello")

[sage crag]

someone new will be confused by the existence of love in your program

[rough bloom]

practically no boilerplate
code at least looks fairly intuitive for small programs

[sage crag]

someone old will be confused by the

existence of love

because

its not real

[rough bloom]

if you want 2D graphics then might as well use Processing

it made for this

[split steppe]

someone new will see and appreciate that hello appeared on screen

[sage crag]

tutel graphic

[sage crag]

overestimate the cognitive power of new programmers

the first thing theyll do is give up and ask chatgpt

[split steppe]

nah, i dont treat people like morons

[sage crag]

[rough bloom]

can confirm

[split steppe]

if they use chatgpt they would fail my class day 1 never to return

[opaque wharf]

Ahh yes, the language with famous mismatch between the spec and implementation. Which ended up being a bug in the spec

[dusky jackal]

What about Scratch for a first programming language?

[sage crag]

its good!

blocks are good

[split steppe]

scratch is another good option

[hard delta]

bless dad

[sage crag]

restricting the number of things a grubby little programmer can do

[split steppe]

whole language visually there, impossible to assemble wrong, immediate feedback

[opaque wharf]

Pegassus

[sage crag]

is good for teaching them how things work

[hard delta]

python people do nixos on the filesystem level

[sage crag]

what

what does that mean

[hard delta]

comenius logo

[sage crag]

@tender river chaygpt

decipher

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

me rn

[trim valve]

output from markov chain

[opaque wharf]

Insane statement

[hard delta]

why can't i find an english screenshot

[split steppe]

if they did that it would be the bare minimum of competency

[onyx sable]

Having parents ftw

[hard delta]

are you telling me this thing was only used here

[sage crag]

the statement doesnt make any sense to begin with

[split steppe]

makes perfect sense to me

[sage crag]

explain to the class

[split steppe]

you must be a python developer if you don't get it

[sage crag]

me famous python developer

never used any other language

[rough bloom]

wrote a line of Python

[sage crag]

ye

[rough bloom]

brain forever damaged

[sage crag]

[rough bloom]

irrecoverrable

[hard delta]

koniifer.py

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-rabbit-bnuuy-mad-throw-gif-9293990247364199397

[split steppe]

https://tenor.com/bPMco.gif

pov you wrote python

[hard delta]

so that's how it works

i'm gonna go write python now

goodbye

[split steppe]

o7

[sage crag]

did you know that writing a line of python can get you banned from governmental jobs

here are 10 dangers of writing python which we will go over in our article today

look out! #6 is the most terrifying

[split steppe]

https://tenor.com/mTjglOaywZ6.gif

[sage crag]

clowm

[hard delta]

what in the expanding snak

[sage crag]

balloon aminal

✅

[split steppe]

baboon enamel

[fickle rain]

Look where numpy was installed and where you’re running Python from

Venv moment

Whoa

[onyx sable]

there was more than 1 python installed

[hard delta]

[sick owl]

Oh lmao doxed my email

I've had that since I was like 7 years old

extra free claude code credits

(effectively)

[warped narwhal]

Too late, I've signed you up to 70019374 different newsletters and I've received £0.12 for my work

[sick owl]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Enr4bc3JeOOzHLYY8R

[karmic citrus]

didn't know you could do that with PowerShell

i always wondered how to use or what even PowerShell is

when it came to like windows 10

[hard delta]

i dig the oblivion guard guy, big +

also deleted reply

[fickle rain]

Well it’s a powerful shell

[karmic citrus]

fair

[hard delta]

it's like

if bash is C, PS is C#

YouAlsoLoveCapitalLetters

[mighty thorn]

Turns out that cellular automata are perfectly viable for image encryption/obfuscation

[kind nimbus]

powershell.exe -ep bypass

[true hemlock]

okaayy

8 trackers with lsm6dsr now

and 4 trackers with lsm6dso that i decided to use for my arm and its somewhat kinda ass in comparison

waiting for my lsm6dsr batch to arrive is pure agony

also pushed 4th rev of my custom pcb for printing. going to add magnetometer for calibration mechanics

man i need to move all the SMD to that board later god i hope the lsm6 batch arrives first

else, desoldering is

pain

honestly might decide to build from scratch with the new board and just make the previous one my spare

went too deep into vr i spent a lot of time perfecting FBT now without spending any much

also compatible with slime vr so poggers, though i noticed some issue with mounting gotta look into that one

i wasn't expecting it to also be pretty much comparable in terms of battery life compared to the official slimevr set afunyun got despite having smaller batteries

also tracking quality hmmmm

afunyun skill issue with mounting and calibrating/tuning them lmao can't test that yet

[olive sable]

when can i buy the V2 quack trackers?

[true hemlock]

i was just about to cancel my plans on mass producing my trackers when i realized the official slimes are like way better

but ehhh

might reconsider

after spending like 14 hours playing with afunyun and his scuffed trackers lol

[olive sable]

i can jsut buy the slimes if need be

i jsut thought it would be funny to get some third party jank

[true hemlock]

jank

[olive sable]

my oculus rift litteraly vibrates

it cant get much more jank that that

[true hemlock]

honestly

[glass flower]

[true hemlock]

slime vr rn way better than vive/tundra trackers or any other lighthouse trackers

apparently you get the same quirks with having to calibrate shit anyway

their ICM-45686 implementation is pretty damn good there's practically no difference with the vives

[nocturne olive]

Surely if designs trackers they will work with Linux

[true hemlock]

it does

[nocturne olive]

[olive sable]

the rift vibrates ye. i feel like i have forwarded this clip 10 times already

[true hemlock]

its compatible with slime vr

slime vr has linux iirc

[olive sable]

i said what i said

[nocturne olive]

Using already pre-existing drivers

[true hemlock]

i initially used my own firmware

[glass flower]

oh the tracking vibrates... i thought you installed like haptic motors into the headset and it vibrates on your head

[true hemlock]

well, still using it because im more familiar with it than the slime vr software

but both works

[glass flower]

honestly it does that sometimes... i had a similar issue even on windows when i first got the headset like 10 years ago

sometimes it just dissapears...

but the tracking quality was rarely the best (might have been because one of the tracker sensors only worked with usb2? idk it never worked with usb3 for somereason)

[olive sable]

it works fine on windows for me, only linux vibrates

[true hemlock]

also IMU based trackers are not obstructible

no base stations needed

you can strap the trackers under your clothing

[olive sable]

i think its something to do with the open source drivers doing a calibration when i start steamVR, cuz how badly it shakes changes on each boot

[true hemlock]

and play under the blanket

[olive sable]

you need usb3 for both base stations and the headset

[glass flower]

one of the base stations never worked under usb3

[olive sable]

so if yo used usb2 it might have sucked cuz you limited the bandwidth

[glass flower]

it only reported as usb2 at all times

no matter the port

[opaque wharf]

I will make you send it for 100 times more

[olive sable]

computed_fn_65643 wants everyone to see me vibrate?

[true hemlock]

usb 2 should be already more than enough for tracking

doesn't need much bw

[olive sable]

The Oculus Rift (CV1) external sensors and the Rift S headset require USB 3.0 primarily for power delivery rather than raw data bandwidth

huh

[glass flower]

[nocturne olive]

[olive sable]

USB 2.0 Ports: Typically limit power output to 500mA.
USB 3.0 Ports: Can output up to 900mA (or more, depending on your motherboard), which ensures the optical sensors do not brown out, disconnect, or suffer from signal degradation

[opaque wharf]

You'd be surprised at how efficient binary data stream can be for position only

[nocturne olive]

Time to undervolt trackers

[opaque wharf]

If you have 16-bit per axis, that's like what? 6 byte?

6-byte with polling rate of 500Hz is 3kbyte

[olive sable]

wdym position only? they're cameras, they provide a full 1280x720@60 over USB

[opaque wharf]

Oh

Welp, time to skidaddle skadoodle

[olive sable]

they dont have a cpu in each sensor to precalculate

[rigid snow]

[true hemlock]

this is why lighthouse based trackers are inferior now tbh

prone to occlusion

so you gotta face only in few sides

honestly i might try recording myself dancing with my trackers

[silent cloak]

idk man

inside out was terrible when i had it

especially due to lighting

lighthouse is far more accurate when its setup right

especially if ur doing something like beatsaber

[true hemlock]

im shilling the IMU based trackers

[silent cloak]

occlusion is far worse for inside out too

[glass flower]

thats why the steam frame will fix it. it can see in the dark

[true hemlock]

idk about inside out

[true hemlock]

since i just built one

[silent cloak]

idk why they didnt go for IR just like the lighthouse ones

[glass flower]

it does use it

[silent cloak]

why waste the power doing visual processing

[silent cloak]

a big issue still is if u move ur hands behind ur head

idk if they have that solved

[true hemlock]

idk why IR is not a standard most photoreceptors can do IR

[olive sable]

the only decent tracking is a radioactive isotope in each place you want tracked and lighthouse trackers with xray cameras

[silent cloak]

based

[glass flower]

idk about that...

[olive sable]

literally never need to charge it

[true hemlock]

but yeah im saying because uh

the IMU trackers rn like slime vr

[silent cloak]

idk their tech

[olive sable]

the rift is IR

[silent cloak]

so ill have to read into it

[true hemlock]

are basically at the point where they're just

better option than the light house

[silent cloak]

if it works like a vive cosmos then its going in the trash can

thats all i can say

[true hemlock]

tldr

• people in vrc can't differentiate between the two (slimes vs vive/tundra)
• tracking itself just on par rn
• not prone to occlusion, you can fit the trackers inside clothing and blankets
• better suited for mocap since you can add more tracking points flexibly
• far cheaper

[silent cloak]

idc about that stuff though i want accuracy for high speed

[true hemlock]

ignore certain reddit post where they tell you to not get slimes when they themself got the shitty third party ones with shit IMU

[true hemlock]

yeah

[olive sable]

ideally you'd use lighthouse trackers cuz you dont need ot charge them, but you need to make sure they can see behind objects and shit which jsut makes it not that easy.
what were those sony cameras that were banned cuz they could see through clothes? i need some of them

[true hemlock]

its pretty accurate and high speed now

[true hemlock]

uh

you still need to charge them

[silent cloak]

slimevr is dedicated more for like the vrc chronically online ppl

[olive sable]

nah, its outside in

[silent cloak]

idk how it performs in max level beatsaber or pavlov style games

[true hemlock]

haven't tried, though i read its also pretty good now

though i suppose lighthouse could be more convenient

but its apparently not really plug and play either

[silent cloak]

less moving parts

looks like IMU has "drift"

[true hemlock]

yeah

[silent cloak]

and still doesnt like occlusion

[true hemlock]

huh

no

[silent cloak]

so yeah not for accuracy

[true hemlock]

IMU are literally independent?

[true hemlock]

like, occlusion don't affect it at all

yeah

[mighty thorn]

Testing if ai can reconstruct them or if they are secure

Among several other tests

[true hemlock]

not affected by occlusion at all

[mighty thorn]

For other things

[true hemlock]

drift is a thing though but well, they came up with magnetometer design aswell now

[silent cloak]

the drift is probably a big reason why this hasnt caught on

[true hemlock]

to actually actively calibrate it