programming

[mighty thorn]

No

Everything has been being called slop for 2 years now

[brisk laurel]

[leaden crest]

sir why is there a lizard baked into my pie

[brisk laurel]

It's lysara

[ruby star]

Hell no he’ll be designed to be barely coherent

[sage crag]

🦎

[opaque sigil]

[stark needle]

i bought endgame mic

[opaque sigil]

grats on the neumann m50 v

[stark needle]

not that endgame

just a AKG C414 XLM

[opaque sigil]

so what you're saying is it's not endgame

[stark needle]

endgame in normal consumer terms

i almost bought the SM7b but

i thought it's copium

and id just be upgrading to the same thing

since i have SM58 rn

same capsule but more expensive copium

[opaque sigil]

yeah there's no point

[stark needle]

also

C414 xls

doesnt have the weird boost

in the highs

[opaque sigil]

[stark needle]

and has actual extension to 20khz

my SM58 dies at 10khz

sm58

my voice has a weird peak between 2-4khz

and this mic doesnt help at all

[nocturne olive]

What be this stuff?

[stark needle]

expensive microphone

[nocturne olive]

Neuro has something around 1kHz I think?

At least that's what I remember

[stark needle]

yeah i kinda wanna get into singing more

but my current mic is trash

[nocturne olive]

Vocal synthesizer when?

[stark needle]

SM58 is good for like

live vocals

in a concert

but not for like

actual recordings

[nocturne olive]

No vocal synthesizer

[stark needle]

i mean i already have and sometimes use synthv

[sage crag]

change your username

[nocturne olive]

Have you ever made your own?

[stark needle]

wym

[sage crag]

i am not fond of 🦞

[nocturne olive]

Like NeuroSynth?

As in trained one or built an UTAU

[stark needle]

i mean i prefer the quality get with synthv 2 pro

gumi specifically

[glass jetty]

btw
neurosync when?
not for me, ask for friend

[nocturne olive]

But that thing can't do true flat pitch

SynthV 2 has only autopitch

[stark needle]

wym?

[nocturne olive]

As in there's no true manual pitch mode

Something something best you can do is direct the pitch curve a bit

At least in default SV2

Unless I have been severely lied to by multiple people

[nocturne olive]

[stark needle]

uhh

[glass jetty]

[stark needle]

i can use the pen tool

this guy

[nocturne olive]

What do you mean by that question?

[glass jetty]

when neurosync release idk

[nocturne olive]

Is that really SV2? I was told that doesn't exist

[nocturne olive]

sync? What do you mean "sync"

[stark needle]

u were likely using this

[nocturne olive]

[stark needle]

well

in the pro u can at least

idk about the free one

[nocturne olive]

[stark needle]

but im happy a lot with the quality i get

from gumi 2

ai

[nocturne olive]

Well I like what I get with NeuroSynth
Yesterday I messed around a little bit with really dense vibratos

[stark needle]

i noticed my voice isnt even bad

in terms of

being able to stay on pitch and stuff

[nocturne olive]

[stark needle]

i found a vocal coach studio thing that offers weekly lessons for 6 months for 2000$ which honestly isnt even that bad

[nocturne olive]

That'd take me years to get

[stark needle]

my piano lessons were like 150-200/hour when i was a kid

so this is rly cheap

in comparison

[nocturne olive]

Why so expensive tho

[fickle rain]

Why doesn’t ChatGPT ever search unknowncheats.me when asked about Windows kernel stuff?

[stark needle]

professional studio thing

the teacher was goated asf

i used to be able to play a lot of minecraft bgm

i still have the piano but ye i forgot everything 100%

[nocturne olive]

I just want to get better at digital audio stuff

[stark needle]

but yeah my voice with a voice changer beats synthv easily

and way less obnoxious

[nocturne olive]

Me messing around last night

[stark needle]

according to chatgpts pro extended algorithmic analysis of my talking and singing voice i have a femboy voice

[nocturne olive]

That could be a fun vocal synth

[kind nimbus]

just did a PR to nixpkgs

[stark needle]

[nocturne olive]

[stark needle]

where i diverge mostly from normal male voice

honestly i find this so stupid that my voice is kinda weird

It's actually so over that i can naturally talk in a voice with 0 effort that according to these trans voice Training apps show up as 0% male

[nocturne olive]

Very impressive

[stark needle]

[nocturne olive]

It is tho, I may or may not be jealous

[rigid snow]

i sure wonder what those two cities are

[stark needle]

good question

[stark needle]

i wish i had a brighter voice at the very least

[nocturne olive]

[brisk laurel]

I dont trust the trans voice training app for now cause i don't want me data to be stolen

[brisk laurel]

Can we swap?

[brisk laurel]

Hello

[nocturne olive]

[stark needle]

???

[brisk laurel]

I have a masculine voice

[brisk laurel]

Voices

[brisk laurel]

I dont like it

[kind fable]

What kind of app can evaluate that ?

[mighty thorn]

If only there was a vocal synth project for Neuro

Like

It’d have to be called like

…

Hmm

Idk

[rigid snow]

neuro vocal synthesizer

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth
Now available for download

[mighty thorn]

Wait Neurosynth is finally real?

[nocturne olive]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1505664932459315261

[mighty thorn]

@olive sable @stark needle who up synthin they neuro

The event 1 trillion years prophecised has come to pass

[mighty thorn]

Tbh I’m mostly only interested in the project from stockholm syndroming myself into obsession from how much you talk about it, however, if you were to make like a design doc or something where you compiled and cleaned up the development process, I would definitely read it

[nocturne olive]

Who wants to write a version that runs on AMD GPUs?

[trim valve]

I mean I can test with zluda?

torch "supports" amd gpus

[nocturne olive]

It's not Torch

It's ONNX

At the moment we have the base build of OU which supports no GPU backends on Linux, and our fork which supports CUDA GPU backends on Linux

[trim valve]

[opaque sigil]

https://onnxruntime.ai/docs/execution-providers/MIGraphX-ExecutionProvider.html#migraphx-execution-provider

[nocturne olive]

Well I don't have AMD GPUs to test with

Someone can take the CUDA fork or base OU and base an AMD fork on that

[trim valve]

I can try

[nocturne olive]

Well you can find the CUDA fork here if you want to base on that, but you'll basically need to rip out all the CUDA and put AMD stuff in its place
https://github.com/Wisperer/OpenUtau

OnnxRuntime is stupid and even if a build of OnnxRuntime with multiple execution providers was made it'd still have a hard dependency on all of them being present

[sick owl]

You know what's funny about the GPT 4o schizos

If they had half a brain cell between them they'd realise their precious sycophant is still served on the API

[nocturne olive]

But surely they're actually attached to the prompt behind 4o which they don't know and thus can't use on the API

Nah who would believe that they're just too stoopid to know of the API at all

[rigid snow]

those still haven’t calmed down

??

[opaque sigil]

look under any sam altman tweet

[trim valve]

my /nix is 190GB

[nocturne olive]

[stark needle]

idk

[ruby star]

Well, so far my Lua SLM has said “veeeeeeeeeee” and “ a a a ”, so, yknow... things are looking positive

It is just mostly spaces, tho

[nocturne olive]

There must be a lot of random spaces in your data

[ruby star]

The data is just “the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog :P”

[nocturne olive]

Well that is very little data

[trim valve]

my attempt has failed miserably

I am somehow rendering on cpu whilst also using 3 gigs of vram

[ruby star]

Yeah but it can’t even replicate that

[nocturne olive]

[nocturne olive]

Maybe you're not training enough

[ruby star]

That!s the prevailing theory trying a 5k step sesh now

[trim valve]

yeah I dunno how to check if cuda is working or if my openutau install is just broken

[nocturne olive]

Right you apparently need to use a special build command dotnet publish -c Debug -r linux-x64 --self-contained false

I forgor

[trim valve]

oh wait half my issues were just forgetting to add zluda to my devshell

[nocturne olive]

Also it depends on cuDNN as well

Because something weird about OnnxRuntime

[trim valve]

is there an example project that exists so I don't accidentally attribute a skill issue to cuda not working

[nocturne olive]

An example project? As in one that has none of the CUDA stuff?

[trim valve]

no like an openutau arrangement

because I have zero idea how to use it

[nocturne olive]

[trim valve]

my first attempt just skipped past the entire composition I made

[nocturne olive]

This one should be simple enough

[trim valve]

god bless compiling rust projects

[nocturne olive]

It's a simple ascending note patterns across the entire piano roll

All a

I think it uses the EN phonemizer, but I could be wrong

[opaque sigil]

damn i wish lol

[ruby star]

“The quick t t t the te “
He’s just like Evil, fr

[opaque sigil]

actually, mine is at 142gb apparently
gc must've run recently

[trim valve]

wait

im stupid

one minute

[opaque sigil]

is this is a nix forced timestamp moment

[nocturne olive]

[trim valve]

no this is me not reading clanker code

and pulling in the wrong repo entirely

which explains a lot

[opaque sigil]

[trim valve]

(I just nuked my whole zluda install, whoops)

[opaque sigil]

smallest gc run

[sick owl]

Is this AGI

[maiden geyser]

clearly ASI

[rigid snow]

if you're not building a banana saas startup right now you're ngmi

[sick owl]

[stark needle]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[marsh coral]

smh im so jealouss

[tropic spindle]

[opaque sigil]

for a second i thought cuda 13.3 was out

[nocturne olive]

[marsh coral]

likee

when i achieve my fem voice

i gotta try rly hard

js to get resonance up and reduce vocal weight

[nocturne olive]

That sounds very complicated

[marsh coral]

like its normal, but naturally transitioning to it can sometimes be very hard or easy

like from my usual voice when boymoding then when alone i js try to use the fem voice for extra training ykyk

[marsh coral]

i meann in terms of technical stuff and theory it kinda is

but if u train using feeling then it becomes very easy (plus listening to ur own audio)

[nocturne olive]

I have a curse that makes every mic I get break so I literally don't have a way to hear my own voice

And I don't even know why it just happens

[opaque sigil]

https://fxtwitter.com/arena/status/2056400044862111757 new qwen

Arena.ai (@arena)

Qwen3.7 Preview By @Alibaba_Qwen lands on Arena for Text and Vision.
︀︀
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︀︀Alibaba is now the #6 lab in this arena.
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︀︀
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︀︀
︀︀Congrats to the @Alibaba_Qwen team on the latest progress!

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FxTwitter · May 18, 2026, 3:42 PM

[marsh coral]

oh i just use my phone's voice recorder

my laptop mic is badd

[nocturne olive]

My phone doesn't have a voice recorder

And my laptop mic is broken

[marsh coral]

new qwen model??

i gotta check this out tmr after i sleep

[marsh coral]

aiyaa so sadge

tho usually u should have one

if not u can download one

[nocturne olive]

For some reason none of my phones have ever come with a voice recorder and all the voice recorder apps seem to be kinda trash or malware

[marsh coral]

hmm

i can recommend u an app

but wait

do u use android or iphone

[nocturne olive]

Last time someone recommended me an app it was incompatible with my phone

[marsh coral]

lemme guess

voice tools

[nocturne olive]

What's that?

[marsh coral]

oh

its not rly a voice recorder

its more of an app to decide ur pitch, resonance, and allat

[nocturne olive]

[trim valve]

I am giving up on making openutau play nice

c# and nix is too much wizardry for me

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

[trim valve]

its dooable just for some reason dependencies hate me

[nocturne olive]

[jaunty moss]

sup nerds

give me yo lunch money

[cosmic sphinx]

someone wake me up when they release another 9B model on par with gemini 3.0 flash

[opaque sigil]

new gemini flash tomorrow

[cosmic sphinx]

note all the model releases today

because tomorrow

its GOOGLE IO

[opaque sigil]

[opaque sigil]

i wonder if they have the new tpus in production already, since they seem to have added the new flash to antigravity already and it's very fast

[ruby star]

The hilarious thing about developing for twitch integration now is that Neuro’s speed isn’t the bottleneck - it’s chat’s

[fickle rain]

You sure there's no easier way brah?

[sick owl]

What Toast said

Look under any Sam Altman tweet

[olive sable]

[proven merlin]

Its having a grand time! Be happy for it :)

[ruby star]

I think it might be screaming in happiness

[proven merlin]

Wait actually

Do you know how foxes sound like?

I.. think you made a fox

[mighty thorn]

2D text tokenization

[proven merlin]

Hm?

[proven merlin]

(if no, i think this showcases it https://youtube.com/shorts/vTUc8ePVAig )

[amber fractal]

DIffusion update no one asked for, it is now in the scene composition phase of it's existence

[fiery anchor]

That's kinda pretty

[amber fractal]

other samples because why not

[amber fractal]

they are starting to get there, they got nothing on the refs but besides they really are stunning

For anyone unaware, this is being pre-trained from scratch. Just on 10 images I have chunked

just for fun, one of the refs zoomed into what the image model is dealing with

[mighty thorn]

2D text tokenization

[fast pagoda]

who was the huge tv nerd

new version

fire tv

[frozen igloo]

https://youtu.be/fkhDRG1Vaa0?si=oMfCRhrCKfTaL853

[fast pagoda]

what the helly is hi-qled tho

[sage crag]

oi

[ruby star]

I do, actuslly, have several living near me :P
They sound far more mournful tho. “Veeeeee” sounds more like a froge

[fast pagoda]

self report

[sage crag]

your mum gay

[fast pagoda]

i know

yuri discussion with mother

[sage crag]

when will you live up to my expectations

im not mad

just disappointed

[fast pagoda]

if you were mad i'd feel something for the first time in over 23 years

[olive sable]

Wait

What is even supposed to be insulting about your mom being gay?

[sage crag]

all because i cant find a second mother for you?

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

it was a meme

and

undeveloped cortices loved it

[fast pagoda]

it's an insult when theyre down so bad and cant bother to find another parent to fill the void

i just want to feel the loving warmth of 2 mothers is that so hard to understand

[sage crag]

all the

they all

they see

"single mother"

[fast pagoda]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

[sage crag]

and they swipe off

[olive sable]

Thats sad

[fast pagoda]

it would be tough if your adult son wont gtfo

[sage crag]

its your fault

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

and even tougher if they were such a disappointment they cant even be a daughter :///

[mighty thorn]

Guys it’s working

[olive sable]

Wtf is 2D text supposed to mean?

[sage crag]

its like 3d text

[olive sable]

Where the hell are you gettin 3D text from?

[sage crag]

but 2d

[fast pagoda]

4d text

https://tenor.com/view/4d-gaming-gaming-4d-experience-4d-virtual-reality-gif-5623395081826748358

this is a good ass loop

damn

[mighty thorn]

Text tokenized as points on a 2d graph where 2 256 ids are generated to point to a single token in an effective 64k token space but with 30-100x less embedding parameters

And it’s working

[fast pagoda]

[olive sable]

Uhhh

I dont get it

[sage crag]

child when are you getting married

[fast pagoda]

this export of magnet is going well

[sage crag]

where are my grandchildren

[fast pagoda]

they are in the lap

lab even

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

keep getting B rating

[sage crag]

like father like son

[fast pagoda]

i never knew my father

[sage crag]

yes

[olive sable]

I learned about this a couple weeks ago. How is this called again?

Easter cake???

[fast pagoda]

my dish would be called Tanindon

[sage crag]

mobile phones have a trade-in system

[fast pagoda]

this is actually a fine file however the hardware h264 decoder is choking

because

[sage crag]

but no such system exists for kids

this is a great failing of adoption agencies

[fast pagoda]

this is a 104Mbps video

[fiery anchor]

Sometimes i have hopes of finally being able to follow the conversations in this chat. sometimes...

[olive sable]

Until today!
The triangle group presents a new trade-in offer for a newer model!

[sage crag]

newer model funyun

what are the features

[olive sable]

Younger, can be given in multiple colour and gender variations

[fast pagoda]

D:

[olive sable]

And has no wisdom tooth, those were removed in the 2024 model

[sage crag]

does this model have low expectations and high productivity

[olive sable]

The stock settings are at 50% for both, but can be changed manually by opening the settings menu.

[sage crag]

[mighty thorn]

Difference between giving every pixel in an image an explicit ID versus just storing its x and y coordinate

[olive sable]

Arent you just sampling the pixels again later then tho?

Cuz with raw cords for every pixel you cant do much

[mighty thorn]

Yeah but not actually pixels, are halves of text tokens

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

where

[fast pagoda]

av1 encode aint too bad on zen5

[olive sable]

You can open the settings menu by putting the product into power-off mode. This may require some force

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

hwere what

🍞

[olive sable]

To stop the theft of the 2022 and older models we had to relocate the power switch to the top of the head with a high presure protective padding. This stopped them from falling onto their power buttons or other people taking them

[fast pagoda]

the top of my skull never filled in because of this fucker

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

🦊

🦊

[fast pagoda]

lutel

[olive sable]

[mighty thorn]

Difference is negligible for LLMs of same sizes but for >200k parameters total it’s big

[fast pagoda]

fixed actually

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

[amber fractal]

[trim valve]

how do you even

what

thanks linux gaming experience™

[rigid snow]

heartbeat

[olive sable]

What the fuck???

[trim valve]

smoothest 20fps I've ever experienced

[sage crag]

unlag unspike

[fast pagoda]

what is the game

[trim valve]

overwatch (formerly overwatch 2)

[rare bramble]

looks like ow?

[fast pagoda]

wait they un-renamed it to overwatch again

[rare bramble]

yes, it's pretty stupid

[olive sable]

Ye, ages ago

[rigid snow]

it does look like ow, ouch even

[olive sable]

Overwatch, previously known as overwatch 2, the succesor to overwatch

[amber fractal]

[fast pagoda]

i thought it might be but then i didnt know what the text was from

[olive sable]

Thats how i have to talk about it on my school shit

[fast pagoda]

i played way more ow1 than ow2

didnt CS go through stupid renaming too

[olive sable]

Idk

[fast pagoda]

cs go then cs 2 then cs or something

[olive sable]

Isnt ut just cs2 now?

[trim valve]

idk how to even describe the issue here

[rigid snow]

just csgo > cs2

[trim valve]

like it clearly wasn't working

[rigid snow]

they're different games too

[trim valve]

but why

[amber fractal]

GC over vram (real)

[trim valve]

[fast pagoda]

what 2 gpus are you

using

obviously it's only using 1

but like

it has a 2nd one listed

[trim valve]

9950x igpu and 9070xt

[fast pagoda]

ah

frist of all

disable the igpu

[trim valve]

so unless ow runs really well on my igpu

[fast pagoda]

it causes problems

[trim valve]

[fast pagoda]

i had to do that on my 9900x3d because it was fucking my life up

[amber fractal]

Force onto the other GPU if you feel like it

Otherwise vanish it

I unfortunately needed my iGPU still

[rigid snow]

uuuuuuuuuuuu

[fast pagoda]

i have r9700 as well so very similar setups, zen5 w/ rdna4, idk having the igpu enabled fucked me up

[shy axle]

[fast pagoda]

@trim valve this has made me curious

god this window rounding is too much

[trim valve]

its on steam now btw

[fast pagoda]

wtf

[trim valve]

the weird thing is

it worked fine

for like a match and a half?

and then suddenly pulled those fps shenanegans

[fast pagoda]

maybe it detected you're a god gamer and jeff from the ow team came out of retirement to watch a livestream of your gameplay

[trim valve]

disabling igpu has returned 2gb of missing ram

[fast pagoda]

literally just that easy from that alone ig

good thing it was reserving that ram to do nothing all day

these things igpu is like

2 cu

rdna2

well bnet works at least

they still have decent download cdn

[tropic spindle]

That 4GB update did render Plasma unbootable

But I fixed it

[fast pagoda]

how

[tropic spindle]

Some shenanigans with an aur build of x

[fast pagoda]

what version of plasma are you using

[tropic spindle]

6

[fast pagoda]

i mean like

6.6

6.5

[tropic spindle]

Dunno

[tropic spindle]

It's because I switched to that version a while ago because of weird tearing with the version in the Artix repos, but I forgot I did and didn't update it before the upgrade. Oopsie.

[fast pagoda]

the reason i asked was i think plasma is dropping X support soon

[tropic spindle]

It wasn't the worstthing in the world to fix

[fast pagoda]

i think it's 6.8 tho

[tropic spindle]

And yet they can't be fucking assed to add custom resolution support on Wayland

[fast pagoda]

you have to make a custom edid i think

rn

[tropic spindle]

I've been using wayland as my main but the login screen still needs x

[tropic spindle]

Yeah and get a black screen because it doesn't work

[fast pagoda]

? plasma login? sddm?

[tropic spindle]

I spent over 5 hours trying to deal with it. Didn't ever work.

[tropic spindle]

I believe so, yes

[fast pagoda]

sddm supports wayland tho

[tropic spindle]

Yet it doesn't start with it for me

[trim valve]

my pc has been running fine on plasma wayland

[fast pagoda]

it has to do a different order on wayland i think

[tropic spindle]

I didn't set it up manually

[fast pagoda]

it might be automagically broken tho

[trim valve]

oh yeah if anyone cares class of 09 flipside is slightly broken on linux

linux game debugging is weird

because on windows its usually like "why is this game on my igpu"

[olive sable]

I have issues like that when i resize a steam game window

[trim valve]

linux is more "hey we're gonna randomly pan your audio to your left ear for 0.1s, good luck"

[young plover]

I think I must've switched to Linux just after Wayland became usable. Really the only problem I've heard about which still applies is window positions not restoring properly.

[fast pagoda]

theyve almost finally added that

gnome did their fucking damndest to torpedo it

fuck gnome btw

[civic flax]

Greetings it is I again

[young plover]

[fast pagoda]

check in your /usr/lib/sddm/sddm.conf.d

whatever .conf yours is using

[civic flax]

So I found out that we could use game capture rather than window capture, all because it seems they forgot to add one step in the process

[fast pagoda]

this is probably how you forced it to X tbh

but idk

[civic flax]

Also, I have a question

I have seen Neuro and Vedal when they stream they switch between backgrounds, sometimes it is a room, sometimes it is the monitor, and sometimes the void. Is that all through Vtube Studio or OBS

[rare bridge]

obs and a bit of unity

[trim valve]

"a bit"

[fast pagoda]

i915
nvidia
nvidia_modeset
nvidia_uvm
nvidia_drm
It seems that when nvidia is installed, there is a race condition between module loading and sddm. Setting it up to load earlier did the trick it seems.```


found this in a thread about this issue with sddm, if you have nvidia installed

[trim valve]

[rare bridge]

unity provides the room i think? but obs is used to switch between backgrounds

[civic flax]

I want to learn the ways of the force

[civic flax]

Thats the one, switching backgrounds

[tropic spindle]

Oh yeah, it is configured to use x11

[rare bridge]

yeah that's just simple obs

[fast pagoda]

neuro herself is rendered in unity

[trim valve]

oooh wait im routinely on linux enough now that i could actually try and write that discord thing I've been threatening to write for months

[tropic spindle]

I won't change it for now because I don't need to

[rare bridge]

if an obs scene shares a source with the scene that's being changed to it'll just keep the source on screen and change the things that do change

[fast pagoda]

that's a fair statement haha

easy way to cause 5 hours of despair

[civic flax]

Do you know a video where I could learn this? All of the ones I keep seeing just talk about the model and not about switching backgrounds

[trim valve]

tbh a lot of it is just playing about with obs

you learn it pretty quick in my experience

[rare bridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z9GiEM4uvA

[cosmic sphinx]

imagine using OBS.. when you can use this lil boy

[obsidian brook]

It took 20 hours to achieve 0.3 loss for my neural network's voice

[civic flax]

https://tenor.com/view/anya-forger-taking-notes-oomfie-spy-x-family-memo-gif-8287618218761733944

[rare bridge]

i want this kinda

[fiery anchor]

So many Buttons

[fast pagoda]

jesus christ

[trim valve]

T bar my beloved

[cosmic sphinx]

i defo recommend if u like working with cameras"
but tbf its a bit too professional for common use

[leaden crest]

cloudburstwan didnt you send this same vid to vedal on hollow knight stream

[trim valve]

multiview in the mixer is cursed though

[rare bridge]

no that was shiro i think

[leaden crest]

[rare bridge]

i do volunteer(ish) stuff in professional av environments (i'm on the end that receives streams from kit like this) so lowkey having one of them would work wonders for development

[cosmic sphinx]

yeah its a 9/10 in that case

[trim valve]

I work with similar stuff too

[rare bridge]

i mainly work with the receiving end software tho

i do a lot of shit with OvenMediaEngine and whatnot

[trim valve]

more the blackmagic stuff tho

[rare bridge]

blackmagic has been a bit of a pain for me tbh, they used to put some weird shit in the RTMP stream key which caused my software to fail to validate streams

[trim valve]

I've never streamed directly from a blackmagic product

[rare bridge]

luckily that seems to have been fixed lately

[trim valve]

that sounds like a bad idea

[rare bridge]

i've had people do that

nowadays it's.. alright

[trim valve]

yeah they use it as a selling point

[rare bridge]

but previously it used to be really broken

[obsidian brook]

its ok?

[tropic spindle]

Yeah, I have to do enough troubleshooting for stuff, I'd prefer to break as little as possible

I know it probably doesn't seem that way using an Arch based distro, but uhhh...

LOOK, A SQUIRREL

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile me, a Mint user

68 days uptime
Yeah checks out

[trim valve]

[cosmic sphinx]

mint my beloved

makes my laptop stress out more than windows 10, ironically

[nocturne olive]

[trim valve]

I really wanna move stuff to linux but blackmagic baaaarely supports it

[tropic spindle]

Yeah but Mint installs too much junk by default

Also I'm not exactly a fan of Ubuntu-based systems these days

[fiery anchor]

let the distro wars begin...

[trim valve]

and so far I haven't managed to get videohub control to run on linux

which is a shame tbh

[fast pagoda]

actually extremely classic mint user

what version are you on

oh i dunno

6 year old out of date version

uptime: 3 years

[tropic spindle]

I need to get better at not waiting months between -Syu

[young plover]

I only tried mint once a long time ago, and yeah, software being out of date was annoying.

[trim valve]

you'll be glad to know superbox is probably still vulnerable to copyfail

[young plover]

Kubuntu is a better "Windows alternative" IMO

[nocturne olive]

[fast pagoda]

i just recommended kubuntu to my brother for that

[tropic spindle]

Also I'm a simp for mesa updates because you never know when they'll magically add an optimization to give me an extra FPS or two

[nocturne olive]

[fast pagoda]

to host stuff on his minipc basically because he still wanted a DE

[nocturne olive]

Now that's a me kinda uptime

[fast pagoda]

was it you that had like the oldest nginx version ever when i checked when the website was first being made lol

[nocturne olive]

Isn't Kubuntu like KDE which is like really heavy?

[fast pagoda]

kde is not really heavy

[tropic spindle]

If you want multi-years uptime shouldn't you be using something like Rocky

[nocturne olive]

Not sure

[nocturne olive]

40% of Xoda's 3070

[tropic spindle]

Eh, it's been using around 1.4GB on startup, I remember seeing someone get it down to like 400MB a while ago

[fast pagoda]

that seems broken

@nocturne olive

[tropic spindle]

The most lightweight I've ever used is LXDE which idles at like 200MB

[nocturne olive]

[fast pagoda]

how does kde use 40% of gpu

that makes no sense

[tropic spindle]

Too many wobbly windows

[nocturne olive]

It might slightly be Xoda's cursed laptop but still it was doing that

[fiery canopy]

Installing gentoo has been one of the most interesting but painful experiences I have ever done [mainly due to me apparnetly being unable to type commands or configs without making the most random tiny mistakes causing shit to randomly break], but finally I seemingly have done it

[young plover]

yeah that's a system problem. It shouldn't be hogging GPU like that

[fast pagoda]

i have wobbly windows hella on with transparency and a whole lotta shit and it uses like nothing

[fiery canopy]

KDE legit uses sub 1 % of my gpu

on avg

[fast pagoda]

i even have kurve (cava visualizer) permanently rendering cava to a widget

[south whale]

thats definitely lying

[fast pagoda]

it will show half

that's normal

[south whale]

whats not is 55:3

[young plover]

I probably could manage Gentoo at this point, but installing CachyOS without the installer so I could use custom cryptsetup settings was painful enough.

[trim valve]

how

[fast pagoda]

DDR = double data rate
your ratio is probably 110

[tropic spindle]

I never checked it in detail, but it uses barely anything on my iGPU

[obsidian brook]

multiply by 2

[south whale]

reporting is wrong, it is 1:1:1

[fiery canopy]

I am so lost how it would be using 40% of someones gpu

[nocturne olive]

I don't know ask her

[fast pagoda]

impossible unless horribly horribly misconfigured

[fiery canopy]

even so

KDE even if done horribly the most iv ever seen is 20%

with some guy who had the most cursed shit I had ever seen

[tropic spindle]

Okay, so without Discord open it seems to idle at around 2-3%, at the lowest clock speed I would assume

[young plover]

while playing a game and streaming video

[fiery canopy]

tbf I cant really test rn as I am quite litterally on a basically clean gentoo install I have just finished

[tropic spindle]

Granted, this was checked with System Monitor which itself might be using 1% lol

[fiery canopy]

but its using sub 1 %

[nocturne olive]

Well now you know someone with an even curseder setup

[fiery canopy]

yep

I didnt think it was possible

[fast pagoda]

vivaldi is always my highest resource use with 226 tabs open and rendering videos and shit that uses gpu

[tropic spindle]

This install I'm on has been going for almost a year now

[nocturne olive]

@burnt aurora Congrats you won the "highest KDE GPU usage" award

[obsidian brook]

Finally....

[tropic spindle]

Username checks out

[fiery canopy]

I finally decided to hop onto gentoo, I have been on arch few quite a while. And figured would make the hop to gentoo [partially at the hands of peer pressure]

I have spent my whole afternoon / eveneing on this shit

[opaque sigil]

gpu usage doesn't mean much anyway since they merge like half a dozen metrics into the single number

[tropic spindle]

I will certainly pass on that, I'd rather not wait multiple months for everything to finish building

[fiery canopy]

thats true

[fiery canopy]

ehh tbf, the main thing I actualyl compiled was the kernal, KDE + firefox I used bin packages

[tropic spindle]

There are bin packages?

[fiery canopy]

ye

its just a flag

[tropic spindle]

I thought Gentoo's whole thing was... not having that

[fiery canopy]

U can use both

because some packages

take litteral weeks to build

kernal takes like 10 minutes for me tho

[tropic spindle]

You can do that on Arch-based distros too of course

[opaque sigil]

damn if only there was a way to get both, cached binary builds with a fallback to build from source

[tropic spindle]

Gentoo is based for not using systemd by default though

[fiery canopy]

ye

I figured fuck it, I was board. and I felt like learning some new shit

[fast pagoda]

i am scared to ask

[fiery canopy]

u don't want to know :0

[fast pagoda]

chaotic aur is pogga

as well

https://aur.chaotic.cx

[tropic spindle]

I will absolutely never give up access to the AUR though, I'm too locked in to the Arch ecosystem

[fast pagoda]

m e too

[fiery canopy]

I am soley on gentoo because I figured I felt like experiencing pain and suffering + learning something

I have been using arch for many years

so

Felt like a taste of smthin a lil new

[tropic spindle]

I sent a message about the AUR but it apparently was too 1337 for the automod

[fast pagoda]

i just keep my main system arch w/ a win dual boot, then rotate on my other stuff

[fiery canopy]

gg

[fast pagoda]

like my minipc is running nobara for a bit now

[fiery canopy]

fe

[fast pagoda]

server has proxmox

[fiery canopy]

If I need windows for anything I just spin up a vm

tbh

thats getting rarer now adays suprisingly

[fast pagoda]

i use it for VR almost exclusively

[fiery canopy]

I got my VR fully working natively under linux

I havent actually had issues with vr

[fast pagoda]

i had that set up but it's been a pain recently

[tropic spindle]

Last time I used a Winblows VM I realized I'm starting to forget how to actually use it...

[fast pagoda]

so i saiid fuck it

i wanted to have windows for benchmarking too

[fiery canopy]

I have to keep a passive knowledge due to me being the designated tech support in the family. And I have family who refuses to touch anything but windows

so

[fast pagoda]

because half hwbot categories need windows or more

[fiery canopy]

fe

[fast pagoda]

actually idk if any of it accept linux lmao

[tropic spindle]

I would probably be able to remind myself if I used it for a couple hours

But I was forgetting where shit was

[fiery canopy]

tbf

windows moves shit

weekly

so

[hard delta]

people who are on linux usually can figure out windows at the speed of light anyway

[fast pagoda]

ive not had this issue

[tropic spindle]

Does it still have 7 different control panels?

[fast pagoda]

2

[fiery canopy]

abt that

[fast pagoda]

barely with the old one now

theyre desperately trying to get rid of it

[fiery canopy]

they have quite litterally deleted quite a few options

in that goal

btw

[fast pagoda]

idk i debloated the shit out of my windows so nothing is very surprising on it

[hard delta]

there's either settings that move every release, or things that are still in the legacy xp control panel with those legacy settings panels

[fast pagoda]

"deleted" is a fancy term for "it's in registry" which is functionally the same anyways for me

[tropic spindle]

I will probably never completely forget Winblows, if only for the fact that a Wine environment needs knowledge of it to do anything that doesn't work OOTB

[fast pagoda]

honestly easier to find things in reg

[fiery canopy]

there are still some like 1.0 menus iirc

you can find

which are actually the most optomised thing in windows I would recon ngl

[fast pagoda]

they are finally replacing the file properties window apparently

[tropic spindle]

How many GBs of RAM does it take to have the modern Control Panel open?

[fast pagoda]

i'd guess

0

[fiery canopy]

idek,

I dont really touch it beyonmd what I have to

my hand is so fucked

its so jover

ehh watevr

we ball

[tropic spindle]

The last version I used as my daily driver was LTSB 2016 anyway

[fiery canopy]

fair

[sullen spindle]

Is it very different from windows 10?

[fiery canopy]

win 11

is so much worse

or are u reffing to ltsb 2016

cas idk

[sullen spindle]

I wouldn't know then. Somewhere above not really noticeable

Ltsb?

[fiery canopy]

I really wish they kept win 10 as the final version of windows

[fiery canopy]

the other thing the guy mentioned

[tropic spindle]

LTSB/LTSC is a stripped down version without most of the bloat

It also has 10 years of security updates

[sullen spindle]

I just started reading hadn't had time to scroll up yet

[fiery canopy]

ahh fe

[tropic spindle]

It's closer to if 10/11 was more like 7 in functionality

If that makes any sense

[fiery canopy]

Iv used ltsb so I do get it

[tropic spindle]

Doesn't even have the MS Store installed by default

Which is pog

[sullen spindle]

I had 7 ultimate when I was in highschool

Much better than vista

[fiery canopy]

A hobby of mine used to be, to find ways to completly crash the kernal

[sullen spindle]

That's what was in my pc before that

[fiery canopy]

cas there are so many random thing

u can do

[tropic spindle]

A couple years ago I briefly had a shitty netbook from around 2010 with 1GB RAM and 1 core running XP as my only computer

[sullen spindle]

I think it's popular because most of the chatters on control windows pc with chat streams try to do that

[fiery canopy]

fe

I just had a vm

and spent

many hours

out of baordem breaking the OS

in many diff ways

[fast pagoda]

some sort of cursed mixed rendering ffmpeg mode wtf

[tropic spindle]

I remember many years ago when I discovered that Windows can mount volumes in a similar way to nix systems but just fucking doesn't by default

[sullen spindle]

The streams are luckily smart enough to use a vm to

[fast pagoda]

windows cant see non-partitioned drives is something i found out recently

[sullen spindle]

Or have learned to in. Some cases lol

[tropic spindle]

They show up in disk manager I believe

[fast pagoda]

yeap

and then it asks you to format it

[fiery canopy]

it can mount volumes the same way traditionally unix stuff does. if u do some fuckerty

[fast pagoda]

to use it

[tropic spindle]

I believe they are called NT Mount points or something

[fiery canopy]

ye4

Its more so used for servers

iirc

[fast pagoda]

there is a lot of shit in windows that could be better but isnt due to them requiring some form of cursed COM compatibility

[tropic spindle]

And it was supported since back in Win2k...

[fiery canopy]

cas alot of server applications expect it to be at a mount point not a diff drive. As they were orriginally written for unix

iirc

[patent shard]

I think "voice boost" on YouTube actually uses a heavy model
it seems to work extremely well and is only available on a pretty limited amount of videos

[tropic spindle]

I wonder if it can be used to deal with old shitty software that's hardcoded for the C: drive and nothing else

[fiery canopy]

it can be

one of its many applicatiosn

[tropic spindle]

Has anyone ever put their Steam library on a mount point

[fiery canopy]

yp

I did it at one point to fuck with someone

🐐

[fast pagoda]

gemini audio prob

[tropic spindle]

It can also be used to get around the 26 drive letter limit...

[fiery canopy]

mhmmm

[tropic spindle]

Which is why it should be default

But it's not

[fiery canopy]

its because microslop can't deal with that their propietary systems are shit

most of the time

[fast pagoda]

it's more they dont want to break the one(1) guy who needs his 16bit windows application to work

[fiery canopy]

the thing is

they could make a compatability layer

even

to make it natively ork

[tropic spindle]

It's entirely possible to build a compatibility layer that can work with mount points

[fast pagoda]

there is one

[fiery canopy]

I was sure there was

tbf

thats one thing they are good at, having the most random compatability things

[fast pagoda]

i mean if they can do WSL

they can do a windows virtual machine if absolutely needed

but they dont for whatever reason

[fiery canopy]

Hyperv

is all they need

and thats built in already

[fast pagoda]

im sure it's extremely convoluted corpo shit

[fiery canopy]

garunteeed

[tropic spindle]

On a somewhat unrelated note, I will bet Jeff Bezos' life savings that at some point in the future, there's a good chance M$ will release an OS that uses a *nix kernel with their own custom compatibility environment to run existing applications

[fast pagoda]

wsl already exists

brb installing windows to use it as a launcher for linux

[tropic spindle]

Not the same thing at all

It would be more like a linux distro that uses a proprietary alternative to Wine and a DE that mimics Windows

But they'd possibly use something BSD based

Since it wouldn't be GPL

[fast pagoda]

i don't think they'll use a nix kernel because they'd have to deal with the roasting from that, if anything they'd do a sony and run some cursed BSD thing

well, wont use a linux kernel

[kind fable]

Macro$lop alr have their own Linux kernel

[fast pagoda]

yeah for azure

they actually contribute to the linux kernel quite a bit

[fast pagoda]

a lot of linux hyperv is unironically from microsoft

since hyper-v is a microsoft product

[fiery canopy]

ye

I was more so saying they could use hyper-v to allow for that virtual windows vm or watevr

for compatability

or sm shti

[tropic spindle]

BSD is a *nix system

Mac is a *nix OS

[fast pagoda]

yeah that's why i corrected to say linux, i meant wouldnt use a specifically linux line

that is obvious

[tropic spindle]

Darwin uses a lot of code from FreeBSD (and probably OpenBSD)

[tropic spindle]

Someone I spoke to in another server seems convinced they might just go with Linux anyway

I'm not sure either way

[fiery canopy]

If anything they would fork the kernal

and do there own thing

[fast pagoda]

xnu comes from mach

[tropic spindle]

But I'm almost 100% sure they will release an OS that's just a Windows compatibility layer on top of a different kernel at some point

[fiery canopy]

probably

they are going to realise the NT kernal is a lost cause

soon enough

[fast pagoda]

NT kernel itself really isnt bad

[fiery canopy]

ehh

[tropic spindle]

NT these days is as broken as the 9x when it was replaced

[fiery canopy]

the newer builds of it

are

so fucked

[tropic spindle]

It does a lot of funky shit for backwards compat

[fast pagoda]

yeah but that's not really its fault

unshackled nt kernel would be pretty good

[fiery canopy]

ye

[tropic spindle]

But I also don't see much point for it

[fast pagoda]

almost every goofy ass fault of windows can be boiled down to compatibility bullshit

[fiery canopy]

thats fairly true

[fast pagoda]

competition isnt bad

necessarily

[amber fractal]

The only way we learn stuff is by trying

[tropic spindle]

But using an existing codebase means M$ can just leech off it instead of maintaining their own entire kernel

[fiery canopy]

thats something I would expect them to do

tbh

[amber fractal]

And competition carries the risk needed to try new things

[fiery canopy]

yep

[fickle rain]

I mean they'd have to implement things like HVCI for Linux then

[fiery canopy]

its fully possible tho

tbf

[amber fractal]

Why would they do that when they just keep it for themselves out of tree?

[fickle rain]

The problem with Windows is userspace

[amber fractal]

Electron all over

[fiery canopy]

indeed

and not even good electron

shit electron

Electron should never live in the space of OS applicationsd

[amber fractal]

Good Electron is fine, not whatever is happening here

[tropic spindle]

What, are you saying it's bad for a text editor to use 5GB RAM? Just get a better computer, loser

[tropic spindle]

Even "good" Electron is still far worse than non-Electron

Well except for the fact that a lot of non-Electron stuff these days is Rust...

[amber fractal]

Too lazy, have to compromise somewhere

[fiery canopy]

as said 'Electron should never live in the space of OS applicationsd'

its over used

in so many places

[tropic spindle]

Browsers should have stuck to displaying web pages and nothing more

[fiery canopy]

tbf electron does have its use case

[amber fractal]

People are making apps, people just use what they want

Electron is good for cross device, but sacs so much in exchange for it

If you are one step away from the web at all times, then sure I can see it

Would I like better? Yes. Am I going to be the change I want to see? No, I have my own interests. So I'm not going to bitch about it.

[fiery canopy]

I think a good example of an electron app

is obsedian

[amber fractal]

Hard agree

[fiery canopy]

dosent nom through ram

peforms well

[amber fractal]

Only reason to hate it is because non OSS

[fiery canopy]

fe

[amber fractal]

Is very solid

Data isn't in a cloud somewhere unless you opt into it

They aren't nuking plugins that do cloud sync themselves

[fiery canopy]

goated indeed

[amber fractal]

If you want to make a Openclaw at home, Obsidian just released a TUI which should be deadly simple to mod into something to work for agents

Do need to have the window open tho

[fiery canopy]

ehh

fe

[amber fractal]

I don't agree with the usecase

But it is there

[fiery canopy]

indeed

It will be used that way by somebody

no doubt about it

[amber fractal]

Access to all of your plugins is defently a selling point

[trim valve]

obsidian destroys my battery life

I can usually get 4+ hours from my laptop but obsidian barely lets me do more than one

[fiery canopy]

never actually had that issue

[amber fractal]

I can't say I have either, but I have decent hardware in my portables so I'm not surprised about it

[fiery canopy]

tbf same

[fast pagoda]

electron is mostly about friction, as well as the lack of need to understand desktop applications because you're still just making a webapp, plus it gives you all the node ecosystem and shit for free,

and most people dont even know what RAM is much less care about its use unless it's full to the point that they cant do things

[fiery canopy]

tahts true

tbf

[sick owl]

Today I get to debug the firmware I wrote for stack chan by trying to analyse the boot loop it caused via serial monitor

[fast pagoda]

oh yeah i got mine

i should fuck with it

[sick owl]

Its fun, just be aware like none of the open source firmware is built for the retail hardware yet, though some like AI_StackChan_EX have partial support

You still have to configure that one and manually update it with support for other APIs, models, non SSE MCP servers etc though

On the other hand its literally an ESP32 with a bunch of cool doodads attached to different pins so its not hard to write stuff for

[sick owl]

Even has an IR receiver and transmitter for signal cloning

[sick owl]

Oh damn you weren't a kickstarter backer huh

[fast pagoda]

i was

[sick owl]

Ohhh were you higher tier

[fast pagoda]

yeah i got the tier with the remote i think was the main thing

[sick owl]

I got the early bird discount version which I don't think had an option for the ESP remote

[fast pagoda]

i guess it just let me do it as an addon

[sick owl]

Huh, maybe I was just a cheapskate at the time

[fast pagoda]

tbf remote is like

50% of the cost of the entire stackchan

it was 1010 hk dollars in the end with that and ship

so

$130~

[sick owl]

Yeah it was like £35 iirc with the early bird discount

Literally cheaper than a standalone coreS3 that can't move and doesn't have all that built in expandability out of the box

[fast pagoda]

damn exchange rate maybe changed cuz 540 is 50 gbp atm

[fast pagoda]

96.01 is what mine was in pounds

[real sierra]

fyi to those it concerns

[fast pagoda]

i thought i was getting google dockied ruledrop

[sick owl]

Its because I was a VIP early bird

[fast pagoda]

maybe that's why no remote

[sick owl]

As in one of the first 1k who signed up to back even before the campaign started

[opaque sigil]

the google dockey is in the works don't you worry

[sick owl]

Ye exactly

I just went back and confirmed my discount was diff to the regular early bird

[fast pagoda]

yeah it was gone when i did, it was only the first 72 hours

[sick owl]

Tbf saying I wrote firmware is a bit flattering, its more like I rewrote and extended the existing community firmware

Okay seems I'm not at fault

[fast pagoda]

illegal pic like yours

[sick owl]

MODS

[fast pagoda]

I like that they include these on the device

finally have a use for these ive been mad about them laying around

[sick owl]

Yeah its a neat touch

[fast pagoda]

i have another esp32 based thing coming at some point

would probably work as a remote on its own

ESP32-S3 and ESP32-C5 combined

basically a flipper type thing

https://github.com/HighCodeh/Highboy_PCB

theyve been sharing all the OS and pcb stuff, pretty neat

in a similar way

let's get started

button under the next button on screen

reset it immediately

[sick owl]

Yeah the stock firmware is ass btw so just a heads up

[fast pagoda]

Lmao

[sick owl]

No support for local models, just expects you to trust a free Chinese cloud inference service called XiangZhi

And if they serve unlimited free access to 200B+ param models, you're the product

[fast pagoda]

servos work and then it wants me to install stackchanworld

i am assuming

that this is the spooky xiangZhi provider enabling thing

[sick owl]

The mobile app is for the base firmware functions yeah

You don't need it if you're doing your own dev with it

I don't think its malware to be clear, just run of the mill data harvesting

[fast pagoda]

maybe ill poke at it with it and just point the camera and all sensors at the most r18 thing i can find

[sick owl]

Oh the stock stuffs also really not well made so there's that too, lots of jerky movements with the mobile apps motion control, face mirroring etc.

On the other hand your remote will work out of the box on stock firmware

It does also have one pretty neat app in the form of an IR signal cloner out of the box tbf

[fickle rain]

When the LLM goes schizo