programming

[silent cloak]

rigby

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

the cat has fainting goat syndrome so his tongue is always out all freaky in those memes

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-rigby-pee-funny-cat-gif-436236211739437212

[olive sable]

wdym??

[stark needle]

bro im trying to get in fucking vr

it doesnt work

[rigid snow]

good

[silent cloak]

have u tried putting the headset on

[stark needle]

my steamvr is running at 1fps

[olive sable]

huh

did you resize the passthrough window?
resizing stuff seems to make all my steam games and steam itself too go to 1fps or jsut crash for some reason

[silent cloak]

do u have chrome open

[olive sable]

probably hyprland tho

[stark needle]

ye

[silent cloak]

explains it

[stark needle]

how

i have 128gb ram

[silent cloak]

yeah but u might have 2 tabs open

[stark needle]

ill try virtual desktop

[olive sable]

ram shouldnt be an issue.
you're running windows right?

[silent cloak]

discord using all their power to make electron drain ur resources specifically so u cant use VR

[stark needle]

maybe pico connect is just shit

[olive sable]

try restarting it maybe

[silent cloak]

if u have anything that overlays that could be it too

[olive sable]

oh, i saw 2B and was and then it changed to 2bats and went

[silent cloak]

discord overlay, steam overlay, nvidia overlay etc

[stark needle]

done twice

[warped narwhal]

Did you follow one of those vr "performance" guides and installed 10000 different extensions?

[stark needle]

bro it worked yesterday

when i slept in vr

[silent cloak]

sounds horrible

[olive sable]

reboot pc maybe

[stark needle]

done twice

[olive sable]

huh

its wireless right?

bad connection?

[warped narwhal]

Have you tried unplugging the cable at the headset end, and putting it back in fully

[stark needle]

🚩

[silent cloak]

interference?

[stark needle]

100mbps

dedicated router

[warped narwhal]

It's a local connection so uplink speed doesn't matter

[olive sable]

are you rendering on a pc or straight from the headset?

[stark needle]

ik

[stark needle]

in pc

[silent cloak]

what headset

[stark needle]

pico 4

[warped narwhal]

What matters is device to device speed which could be really poor depending on how many devices are nearby

[silent cloak]

ngl never heard of that one

[olive sable]

its one of the more fancy ones

[silent cloak]

over an index?

[olive sable]

idk

[stark needle]

i will try AV1 encoding

[silent cloak]

pretty sure that will be worse

[stark needle]

h264

[silent cloak]

lossy formats are gonna have a cost

h264 should be fine

[olive sable]

maybe not, i might be misremembering form when shadow talked about buying a [bigscreen???]

[silent cloak]

honestly an update could of fucked it maybe

[olive sable]

i looked on the pico forums

first of all restart steamvr and the pico connect or virtual desktop apps

since you rebooted your pc ima ssuming you already did that

[warped narwhal]

Make sure Pico is the default openxr runtime

Steamvr sometimes likes to set itself as the default after updates

[silent cloak]

Most should be using steamvr this far in the game

Idk why some are still so stubborn

The vive cosmos gave me a ton of issues because of it

[olive sable]

lower res, lower bitrate, switch to wired, enforce 5GHz/6GHz wifi, disable hardware conflicts liek geforce experience, discord, msia fterburner, ....

You can activate the Metrics HUD via the PICO Developer settings menu to see if the bottleneck is your PC's GPU, network latency, or headset decoding time.

[warped narwhal]

Steamvr is separate from steams XR runtime, so you could be using steam vr even though you're running a quest headset with meta's XR rruntime

[silent cloak]

OpenXR should be the standard tho

[olive sable]

for certain things steam as openXR is mandetory tho. im not sure where this one is

[stark needle]

ok its just the pico app

[silent cloak]

Which is what steam still uses im pretty sure

[stark needle]

virtual desktop works fine

[warped narwhal]

It is, but steamvr is not an openxr runtime

It contains one, but it isn't one itself

[stark needle]

@olive sable join vr

[olive sable]

uh

im kinda in the middle of watching dr stone rn

[silent cloak]

Cant wait for the steam frame

Not buying it yet but at some point i will given the depreciation of the index

Im HOPING they add lighthouse support

[olive sable]

spoilers.

[silent cloak]

I hate inside out tracking so much

[warped narwhal]

Same tbh. There is no 6ghz signals near me so I'm going to get the full benefit and I'll be able to run at basically full speed

[olive sable]

honeslty. its better than outside-in.
i keep vibrating

cuz shitty linux drivers

[silent cloak]

Damn they that far ahead now?

Missed a lot

[olive sable]

well ye

[warped narwhal]

FFS, the last I watched it, they had just managed to build a boat, now they're at that

[olive sable]

||they're going to the moon so you kinda need a pc||

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-fiona-donkey-out-than-in-gif-14489322

[warped narwhal]

I prefer outside in by a long shot

[silent cloak]

Just like irl again

[warped narwhal]

I like being able to put my hands behind my back and the controllers still track

Or even with my hands by my side but staring up at the ceiling

[silent cloak]

I had to deal with the vive cosmos for the longest time

It pissed me off so much in games like beatsaber

[warped narwhal]

I'm sorry for your loss

[silent cloak]

Especially on expert+

[olive sable]

linux oculus rift CV1 experience

[silent cloak]

When i got the index it was wonderful

Except the parts where it crashed because of cerber's vrchat model

[warped narwhal]

That headset is mega old, so no wonder it struggles in linux

[olive sable]

its not that bad

holds up suprisingly well

[trim valve]

I hate things thing so bad

[warped narwhal]

My quest 2 was hurting during the first big meet and greet

[olive sable]

The Oculus Rift CV1 was released on March 28, 2016
huh. 10 years ago. its older than i remember

[warped narwhal]

How old is the index again?

[silent cloak]

I probably saw u on my personal identity

[warped narwhal]

I still have mine in a cupboard

[silent cloak]

I helped wirh some event stuff for her the first event

[olive sable]

The Valve Index virtual reality headset was released on June 28, 2019

7 years ago

[warped narwhal]

Huh

[silent cloak]

Damn alyx is old now

Still the best vr game

[warped narwhal]

Quest 2 is quite new in comparison isn't it

[olive sable]

ye

[silent cloak]

If only another company owned it

[warped narwhal]

Yeah, if only Oculus stayed in control

The quest software now is absolutely dogshit

[silent cloak]

Oculus defined VR until the vive

Then both eventually went to shit

[olive sable]

any quest headset is new to me cuz im still on the rift.
it being 1080p makes it reeally easy to render tho. im never using more than 60% of my 7900xtx

[warped narwhal]

The next headsets I'm getting are the steam frame and probably the pimax crystal super, so my GPU is going to die

[silent cloak]

The steam frame can work without desktop

[olive sable]

im debating the steam frame ngl. maybe once im not broke anymore

[silent cloak]

Its a 2 in one

[olive sable]

i dont really need the onboard graphics. im using the 7900xtx

[warped narwhal]

It probably won't be able to play dcs though, will it

[silent cloak]

Its essentially the quest and the index combined

Did u see the steam contoller makes a Wilhelm scream if u drop it

[warped narwhal]

Lmao really?

[silent cloak]

Yeah

Google it

[warped narwhal]

[silent cloak]

They added an easter egg to a controller lmao

[trim valve]

I wanna get back into vr but finding a good headset is so hard

😔

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/gabe-newell-heart-love-steam-gaben-gif-13796997168809376340

[silent cloak]

Wait for the frame

[olive sable]

honestly. any headset you can get for cheap is the best headset. most of the ones released after the rift are good enough

[silent cloak]

Id recommend the index but they are deprecating them

[wispy pike]

lmao they are using the sega mega drive

[olive sable]

hey

spoilers

[silent cloak]

Google cardboard

[olive sable]

use spoiler marks

shiro lurks here

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/google-vr-craft-gif-7474892

[olive sable]

he will kill me

[olive sable]

if only you could use a pc with that and it didn't break instantly

[silent cloak]

Lmao

I think vive made a plastic one

[trim valve]

oooh I didn't see they managed to try and push 144hz on it

[olive sable]

my brother's old phone came with one for free that you could make out of the old phone box. it broke after 20 min

[silent cloak]

Its the best future option tbh given it allows desktop and wireless play

Im just hoping they allow support for lighthouse or the community makes a mod for it

(Which they probably will given steamos is kind of well known atp)

[olive sable]

even if they dont allow it, we'll find a way

[silent cloak]

They 100% wont block it

They allow u to do crazy shit with ur steamdeck

[warped narwhal]

They'll probably contribute to any open source impl for it

[silent cloak]

And its supposed to be running the same os

Steamos is just their own arch based distro

[trim valve]

also most likely option to work on Linux lol

[wispy pike]

fiiiiiiine

[silent cloak]

Im hoping one day they release a real desktop version for the current one

(The only downloadable version is their old one)

[silent cloak]

They probably contribute to proton as much as they do their internal engines

They are pretty active on the git repo

[gentle bear]

Hello there. Need some advice on what library/module/package are good for database api on python. Eh, what I search for is handful pack of tools I can use to implement database storage for my little discord bot project, I know that sqlite is newbie friendly and all that but I want to try using something more "serious"

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-boom-thoughts-anime-girl-boom-thoughts-gif-3847619567883703209

sure

[opaque sigil]

SQLAlchemy is basically the "standard"

[stark needle]

[trim valve]

for discord bots you generally want something that can handle async

there's a few depending on what you want to use as your database, so there's asqlite or aiosqlite for sqlite

postgres has asyncpg iirc

[floral hawk]

I got a job interview for a red team role 😄

[novel flare]

hi

idk what to say

[fast pagoda]

https://x.com/i/status/2054860448869277762

Hugo (@hugorcd)

+1,009,257
-4,024

Honestly don't know how we ended up here...

X · May 14, 2026, 9:44 AM

[silent cloak]

[kind nimbus]

Nice!

Good luck

[silent cloak]

RAAAAA

[floral hawk]

😄

[kind nimbus]

Once i got my CPTS and oscp (soon hopefully) i am looking for a pentesting / red team role as well

[floral hawk]

I'm excited, ethical hacking is so cool but I've never had a chance to experiment with it, because I don't wanna like set malware on good people or anything

[silent cloak]

i installed kali linux when i was younger

and eventually parrotos

fun little toolboxes of pentest tools

[floral hawk]

I use arch linux on my laptop and it's my sandbox

[civic flax]

sup again

[kind nimbus]

Uh there are so many possibilities

Hackthebox, Offsec, Vulnlab, Portswigger academy..... Etc

[silent cloak]

tbh i wish more of their packages were outside of their distros

[civic flax]

i need help looking for the correct drivers

[silent cloak]

because alot of them u have to build yourself which sucks

[floral hawk]

I mean yeah wym just like actual use, I have like, learned and applied

[civic flax]

so its a geforce rtx 4070, right? so i put it on their website but it is showing 1070

[silent cloak]

so much damn ruby code in the pentesting space

[floral hawk]

Hackthebox is a big part of how I learned

[kind nimbus]

If you ever consider switching to NixOS

Check out my red flake

[civic flax]

from what i know, notebooks are laptops

or should i just download their own platform

[kind nimbus]

Mostly metasploit modules lmao

[faint sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bread-speech-bubble-kitty-gif-25862716

[silent cloak]

needed it for some other net pentesting stuff

im not as into cybersec these days but i still once in a while test my own equipment and systems a little bit

[kind nimbus]

Hackthebox Academy ist great for learning

[silent cloak]

i mostly do anticheats and such now

which i guess could be considered security

[floral hawk]

I'm more focused on LLM dev stuff now but I need a second GPU so fucking bad

[kind nimbus]

Ah so you're more into rev ?

[silent cloak]

lmao picked the worst possible time

[floral hawk]

Zero runs 3 different models so

[silent cloak]

reverse engineering na

client side anticheats are dogshit

[floral hawk]

A personality, a vision, and a game brain, and they all wire together in a python backend

[silent cloak]

and i refuse to ever work on one

i do server validated heuristic algorithms

[kind nimbus]

Htb also has an ai red team cert now

[silent cloak]

sometimes some machine learning too for it

[floral hawk]

Imma run through and get that then

[tiny edge]

programlings

[tiny edge]

Food post in #general-network chat now!!

[kind nimbus]

The waiting for the cpts exam results is killing me

[floral hawk]

Any recs on where to get a decent NVIDIA card at a decent price?

[kind nimbus]

eBay?

[floral hawk]

Worth a look

[silent cloak]

pretty much ur only bet i just checking auctions daily

hope to snipe a good one

30 or 40 series

anything else is a waste of money

[floral hawk]

Yeah

[sick owl]

https://fixupx.com/i/broadcasts/1rxmqoaVgqMxy

[floral hawk]

I have a 4070ti

[sick owl]

Rare xwitter W

This is actually cool

[floral hawk]

Having a second one would be pog

[leaden crest]

ooh

[kind nimbus]

I got a used 3080 for 357€ a while back from ebay

Not sure if that was a good deal

[silent cloak]

depends on when u bought it, how used it is, and the vram

[kind nimbus]

Jan 2025

Not sure how used it was. It smelled like oil and machinery when i unboxed it

[silent cloak]

vram?

[kind nimbus]

But it runs fine

It's a normal 3080 with 10gb vram

[silent cloak]

doesnt seem too bad i suppose

if it was 8gb id say ehhhh

[silent cloak]

i didnt know they had a 10gb release tbh

seems kind of like a weird number

[kind nimbus]

I thought a 3080 always had 10gb vram lmao

[floral hawk]

Pog

[silent cloak]

people mostly talk about the 3060 or 3090 with that series so idk

i have a 3060 TI

the 3090s have different vram options and are honestly the only decent way to get a bunch of vram easily

[kind nimbus]

Apparently later there was a variant with 12gb gddr6x but the original 3080 had 10gb

[silent cloak]

though since the crash i doubt that still stands

[silent cloak]

yeah i guess i missed that

[tiny edge]

well ig its better if i stay here

im blocking almost all of genchat atp

[tiny edge]

gpus come in every number tbh you never expect

[sick owl]

Tbh I'd rather have a 3060 than a 3080

Two extra gigs of VRAM can go a long way

[tiny edge]

1gb 2 gb 3 gb 4 gb 6gb 8gb 9gb 10gb 12gb 16gb 24gb 32gb

[sick owl]

For non gaming stuff obvs*

[tiny edge]

"you need a minimum of 32gb of vram to play this game" 😭

[kind fable]

I left my LGTM
https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/pull/30412#issuecomment-4455025129

[leaden crest]

what

[wispy pike]

this is killing my vibe man

[nocturne olive]

AAA slop in 2 years be like

[fickle rain]

OK
Should I do things properly and AOB scan for correct function+correct function pointer
Or should I rely on plain magic offset/parse PDB?

Hard decisions

[tiny edge]

im getting a poco C85

yes it does, and this is why it not:

[fickle rain]

Thought for 10000 years

[kind nimbus]

i love it when sudo bullies me

[kind nimbus]

lmao

[kind fable]

nmap.sh

Dam

That is cool

[dusky jackal]

Whoever wrote this is right, but needs to take some time off before they get committed to an asylum.

[kind fable]

Wait

[kind nimbus]

alias for nmapAutomator

[kind fable]

I tought you were sshing into it

I tought it was your domain

[kind nimbus]

lol no

[kind nimbus]

it's this script
https://github.com/21y4d/nmapAutomator

[fiery canopy]

I got like board

so I am now making wallpaper engine work on hyprland

via just recoding it and using the steam api

[stark needle]

Too late

[kind nimbus]

60 Filmtabletten für den besten Filmeabend

[obsidian mantle]

in actually surprised

That nvidia doesnt have its own mega ai

They don't have it right?

[fiery canopy]

ehh

[opaque sigil]

[obsidian mantle]

Like

Its super obvious path is it not

[fickle rain]

They do publish some models, no?

Like Nemotron

[fiery canopy]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/solutions/ai/

:0

[opaque sigil]

they have all kinds of models yeah

[obsidian mantle]

But they dont make like super advanced coding llm

[fiery canopy]

they probably have one internally

[obsidian mantle]

Ohhh

That would be interesting

[opaque sigil]

they just use cursor

[fiery canopy]

probably tbf

can my fan stop turning off

iswetg

[fickle rain]

IIRC internally they use GPT 5.5

Or some mix of models

[fiery canopy]

im trying to fix the most random ass bug

in this

shit

because of how steamcmd handles login

it breaks with how I try to do my login flow.

SO I am having to redo it 🐐

[fyi random ass wallpaper I found for testing] Why the fuck is it in 480p

[opaque sigil]

waste of money and time when they can sell shovels instead of doing the gold digging themselves

[silent cloak]

Why would they

[fiery canopy]

why not

[silent cloak]

Cuz it generally sucks

Their market is selling snake oil

Why would they use it

[fiery canopy]

okay so this is only with the scene wallpapers, videos work fine. ugh [I have a whole translation layer to make this work properly, I guess I fucked up smthin smwhere]

[opaque sigil]

also speaking of nemotron, the latest model is pretrained in nvfp4 which is kinda neat

[trim valve]

[silent cloak]

Its not a reference based copy

Its just actually copying

[trim valve]

[silent cloak]

Its a performance trap with map

There is a type mismatch because const is missing from the string part of the pair

(Have to match the maps internal type or just use auto)

[kind nimbus]

confirm entering emacs mode

[silent cloak]

"Enter the last time you showered to confirm."

[kind nimbus]

"Enter your beard length in order to continue"

[silent cloak]

Lmao

[split steppe]

enter the amount of hairs left on your scalp to continue

[silent cloak]

You bald in order to fuel ur beard

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-hard-choices-strong-wills-infinity-war-titan-gif-15154646

[kind nimbus]

[silent cloak]

Lmaooo

[kind nimbus]

Oh nice FreeBSD 15.1 was released 6 days ago

time to update the server

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-world-rebirth-jurassic-world-dinosaur-jurassic-park-t-rex-gif-3228290000372524547

[hard delta]

obsidion

[silent cloak]

Need a diamond pick

[hard delta]

its funny cause i used it casually

but a colleague i introduced it to became obsessed to a point where he had to "take a break"

[silent cloak]

My favorite markdown ide

[hard delta]

he was documenting his real life, work stuff, projects, everything

and at some point he felt like it's taking up like 15-20% of his awake time

[silent cloak]

I just like to see the pretty map of knowledge

Like a 2nd brain

[kind nimbus]

oh just beta1 nvm lol. release is 2nd june

[fiery canopy]

im like 50% done with hopefully fixing the actual bug with rendering wallpapers which use scenes

[stark needle]

wait how much time did i spend in vr

[split steppe]

https://tenor.com/wHOT.gif

[stark needle]

wtf like 6 hours

[split steppe]

vr goes crazy

[stark needle]

men dressed up as women in vr can spend a lot of time

[split steppe]

crossdressing but it's free*

[kind nimbus]

lol the nfs cve in freebsd that mythos "found" was already in it's training data

[split steppe]

ha, typical

[kind nimbus]

https://rival.security/posts/mythos-discovered-a-cve-already-in-its-training-data---and-thats-still-worrying

[silent cloak]

Wow who would of known

[split steppe]

so in a way it's literally a "vendored dependency" that never got patched in freebsd

[kind nimbus]

yea it was recycled old code from 2007

[split steppe]

yo but you know what this means, free vulnerabilities for everyone that will get put in literally everywhere because of AI, because people are now "vendoring" everything by writing code with AI, including all the yet to discover vulns

that's an exciting thought

[kind nimbus]

more bugs = more stuff for me to exploit cool

[silent cloak]

Thats why its best not to write using it

[split steppe]

we might actually massively regress in a few years because people higher up misunderstand what they just achieved

[silent cloak]

Literally

Only short term goals in mind

[split steppe]

man, maybe i should brush up on my redteaming skills 🤔

we gon be eating good

[kind nimbus]

good idea do it

[silent cloak]

Tbh once the bubble bursts i think cybersec is gonna have a massive demand

[split steppe]

actually

[kind nimbus]

man i gotta retake OSCP soon even if i dont want to

CPTS was so much better

and cheaper

[silent cloak]

I forgot do they expire?

[kind nimbus]

no

[silent cloak]

Why retake then?

[kind nimbus]

because i failed

[silent cloak]

Ah

[split steppe]

[kind nimbus]

i was missing only one flag for the hands on part

but i did not finish the report

i was just too tired after 24 hours

[silent cloak]

Still would trust u over an LLM

[kind nimbus]

i should have my CPTS results in a few days

[silent cloak]

Based

[kind nimbus]

if i passed or not

i mean i got 13/14 flags

and my report was quite good

[silent cloak]

Honestly doesnt seem too bad

[kind nimbus]

yea i was done after 3 days out of the 10 days

so i could spent 7 days on report writing

[silent cloak]

I might do some certifications in the future

Im done with all that for now as uni sucked

[kind nimbus]

eh yea uni did suck

was boring as hell
certs are fun

[silent cloak]

Im taking a break and getting back into work

[kind nimbus]

[hard delta]

certified piercing bites

[silent cloak]

Honestly most devs should know some basic white hat stuff

Especially if they are writing netcode

[kind nimbus]

would be better

[silent cloak]

Thats how u avoid having servers like cod that just let u remote control other peoples computers

[kind nimbus]

Security-First Development

but then there is less work for me

so nah

[split steppe]

if i ever manage to get my corp on feet i'll hire whoever breaks into my server

[silent cloak]

Security will always have a demand

[kind nimbus]

idk i think its a good idea to go into pentesting

i dont like development that much anyway

[split steppe]

pentest can be fun, but most pentest corps just follow a checklist and thats it

[silent cloak]

Bug bounties are nice

[kind nimbus]

thats not a real pentest

[split steppe]

yea, but that's like 90% of the market, it's really hard to find anyone who will do an actual pentest

[silent cloak]

Physical pentests are cool too

[kind nimbus]

oh yea

[split steppe]

it's all about checking yet another box in some management's book

[silent cloak]

Actual spy movie type work

[split steppe]

physical pentester stories always make me laugh

[silent cloak]

Social engineering can get u far

[kind nimbus]

its more like lock-picking and getting past cameras, doors, etc

[silent cloak]

U see it alot for power grid controls

Because its technical too

[split steppe]

sometimes it's just asking the janitor to show you to the noisy room to check it for fire hazards

[silent cloak]

Employ stuff like rubberduckys

[kind nimbus]

lmao just take a ladder and go straight to the server room

[split steppe]

lul

[silent cloak]

Man in the middle devices are kind of op too

[kind nimbus]

orange pi has some neat devices with two ethernet ports

[silent cloak]

Yeah its sick how low power they can

[split steppe]

is wiretapping even viable nowadays still?

[kind nimbus]

yes

[silent cloak]

Traditional no

But MITM hell yeah

[kind nimbus]

you'd be surprised how much unencrypted traffic there still is internally

[split steppe]

i guess if you get to a router close enough you could take over the network with some finagling, but then you need to be in physically which is already ggs

[kind nimbus]

and oftentimes companies dont properly seperate their networks

[silent cloak]

And again rubbyduckys are still effective

[kind nimbus]

absolutely

[silent cloak]

Not as bad as the XP era atleast

Autorun was a monster

[kind nimbus]

rubberduckies can bypass AV software since most AV software assumes that human input via HID devices is considered as trusted

[split steppe]

actually, if either of you are/will be doing pentests professionally, would you mind giving me your email i could ping later when i'm feeling like breaking my shit?

[kind nimbus]

sure

[silent cloak]

Magic is more qualified id assume

[kind nimbus]

i mean ive already pwned like 600 machines in total by now

[split steppe]

nice

[kind nimbus]

or a bit more

probably

new HackTheBox season starts in 8 days nice

[stark needle]

-# erm

[rancid ore]

how do I get a header

for a program

[stark needle]

Wym header

[rancid ore]

nvm found it

[stark needle]

[split steppe]

average rubberducking experience

ask chat to realise you're dumb 1s later

[stark needle]

✅

[rancid ore]

why is a comment giving me an error

[split steppe]

you can't just ask that and not show what you're actually dealing with

give us a picture or the error at least

[rancid ore]

HECK

gimme a sec

[stark needle]

[rancid ore]

#include errors detected. Please update your includePath. Squiggles are disabled for this translation unit

[stark needle]

I think they probably accidentally revealed too much info

[jaunty moss]

you know back in my day, we used to make CPUs by smashing rocks together, you kids have it so easy nowadays

[kind nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1362492821067530492/1485728720294776992/bdc7a44100631d1e.gif

[split steppe]

looks like your intellisense is a bit broken and misattributing the error to a different line

[rancid ore]

so I'm good?

[split steppe]

if it compiles you're good, but you might wanna double check your editor settings

[stark needle]

Wait is | * even a valid comment or is this multiline or what

[split steppe]

/* multiline

[rancid ore]

I think those are tabs

[split steppe]

nah just pipes

https://tenor.com/qslqQ3fFxdV.gif

[kind nimbus]

[stark needle]

And it doesnt just stop at *\?

[split steppe]

stops at */

[kind nimbus]

lol yea classic c style multine comment blocks

[rancid ore]

how do I compile

[kind nimbus]

// is single line
/* */ multi line

[split steppe]

guys do you think this is spooky enough

[kind nimbus]

i was waiting for Samara to come out

[split steppe]

sounds like it's pretty spooky then

success

that's a terminal btw

a tty if you will

[kind nimbus]

lol

[opaque sigil]

step 1: replace the god awful microsoft c/c++ extension with clangd
step 2: ???
step 3: profit

[split steppe]

yknow i thought you were doing homework, what have you gotten yourself into?

[sick owl]

I usually write agent frameworks off as slop but credit to Nous, they seem to have fostered a pretty cool community

https://vxtwitter.com/NousResearch/status/2054681426109571175

Nous Research (@NousResearch)

↪️ Replying to @NousResearch

Kimi track - First place: JumpFoundry by @evvaaannnn

A Hermes Agent plugin where the designer hand-draws one or two glyphs and Hermes Agent generates the rest, acting as coordinator that routes per-glyph revisions through parallel model calls before exporting an editable TTF.

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vxTwitter / fixvx · May 13, 2026, 9:53 PM

[rancid ore]

AN ENTIRE HECKING INTEGRATION FOR VOICES OF THE VOID WITH VERY LITTLE EXPERIENCE

[split steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/demenishki-deme-vtuber-demevt-surprise-gif-7281716586231932374

[sick owl]

She said heck

[split steppe]

do you have any other option to integrate other than c/c++?

[rancid ore]

no

there are sdks though so I'm not completely screwed

and I do have programming experience, just not with c++

[split steppe]

problem is that even c++ devs barely know how to write c++

have you done a tutorial on it atleast?

[rancid ore]

all I need to do though is define some custom events for blueprints

[rancid ore]

I have docs

[split steppe]

hmm

[fickle rain]

I wish I had more money to spend on tokens :(

I got 1000 credits for free apparently

API pricing moment?

[kind nimbus]

I wish I had spent less money on tokes

[silent cloak]

Ive touched more on the right tbh

Also no docker? Smh

[kind nimbus]

[fast pagoda]

t his used to say conputer art is fucking dead

[silent cloak]

No it clearly says "computer"

[fast pagoda]

[prime ridge]

Nous research is actually very cool

I also 99.9% of the time instantly write off any agent framework as slop

[sick owl]

I find the hermes models kind of underwhelming but I do respect them as a lab, the decentralised training work they did is rad

[prime ridge]

Yeah hermes is honestly horrible. But I don't like them for hermes but rather their training frameworks and open source research

anything open source is better than closed source

[sick owl]

https://fixupx.com/ZyphraAI/status/2055038845809480113/photo/1

Zyphra (@ZyphraAI)

We present ZAYA1-8B-Diffusion-Preview, the first diffusion language model trained on @AMD.
︀︀
︀︀Autoregressive LLMs generate one token at a time; diffusion generates a block in parallel, speeding up inference.
︀︀
︀︀We show a 4.6-7.7x decoding speedup with minimal quality degradation 🧵

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FixupX · May 14, 2026, 9:33 PM

Blimey for a new (AMD powered!) lab these guys are shipping fast

[fast pagoda]

i saw this because of amd pog

[flint dome]

started swearing at deepseek in cantonese productivity immediately went up 1000%

[opaque wharf]

Now we need to demand them to open source their tooling so more could follow and we can have 2 GPU shortage

[faint sandal]

this is what slacking off at work looks like

relevant xkcd

[amber fractal]

The AI your asking for is training, give me 5-10 days

[livid onyx]

true

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-star-wars-obi-wan-gif-10973435

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-may-2026-patch-tuesday-fixes-120-flaws-no-zero-days/

Fuck

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/dell-confirms-its-supportassist-software-causes-windows-bsod-crashes/

This one

Kek

Whoops

[olive sable]

im still waiting for the intel igpu drivers for the 12500h to get a BSOD patch

[fast pagoda]

I think we should give more stuff low level access guys maybe riot games etc

[olive sable]

i think we should invent a -1 ring to give the anticheat even more perms than the 0 ring

the anticheat would be running at almost hardware level

[fast pagoda]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal this always makes me laugh since now rito does it blatantly and people defend it

Nooo it's worth it muh cheaters

[jaunty moss]

that's why openai is the best

[glass jetty]

what?

openai is closed source

[jaunty moss]

whoa

[prime ridge]

I mean OpenAI used to be pretty open. They actually did good research back then

Like 2020 era

Now they are all just sell-outs 😕

[amber fractal]

Modern art fans when abstract art

[prime ridge]

That's pretty cool

[fickle rain]

You can disable VGK at any time

[jaunty moss]

they ungoated my goat

[amber fractal]

Don't mind the filename

[glass jetty]

that seems actually nice
bad example i think, i would use it as home wallpaper somewhere

[fickle rain]

Yes, we should give more security engineers with extensive Windows experience kernel mode access as opposed to underpaid device driver developers

[amber fractal]

The joke is elsewhere

Called sample_30000.png

Because that is exactly what it is

[fast pagoda]

would never have it enabled

[fickle rain]

https://tenor.com/view/abuse-gif-26767994

[amber fractal]

In all seriousness, comapred to the 10 source images this diffusion model is ugly

I also think it is nice but has a lot more to go

[fast pagoda]

security engineers with extensive Windows experience
best i can do is tencent

[fickle rain]

I didn’t know mister Everdox was working in Tencent

[fast pagoda]

they have had full control over riot since like 10 years ago

so basically, yes

[amber fractal]

At least I can legally claim ownership over every outputted image

[fickle rain]

W/e, I trust back.engineering assessment of Vanguard

Some awfully good reversers there

If they say “no malware, genuinely focused on detecting hax” it probably is so

[fast pagoda]

vanguard itself possibly is fine (maybe.. possibly... probably not in the end) but it sets a horrible precedent

[fickle rain]

Kernel mode anti cheats have been out for a while

Hell, the first ones to adopt them were community CSGO leagues innit

[amber fractal]

previous sample, also looking sick

[fast pagoda]

wasn't worth it then either

there were a couple old ones for even maplestory that had kernel mode bits

[fickle rain]

How can I stop someone opening handle to my process from userspace

[fast pagoda]

you can't

that's it

not unless you're the OS itself

and you aren't so you cant

[fickle rain]

Good thing there’s this cool API exposed called ObRegisterCallbacks

[fast pagoda]

the main issue is when it loads anyways

vanguard loads at boot like malware

because it's malware without the nefarious purpose :^)

[fickle rain]

They don’t load earlier than early antimalware drivers, do they?

[fast pagoda]

SERVICE_BOOT_START

nearly everything loads after vanguard

[fickle rain]

Why would wanting to load before vulnerable driver be bad

Unless you have way to 100% know what drivers have been loaded before (you do now, but it requires very new Windows + VBS + Secure Boot + whatever else)

[fast pagoda]

because it might be a vulnerable driver itself since it's from some random game company

i just don't see the tradeoff as worth it at all for the stated purpose

[fickle rain]

Said random game company drivers seem to get less vulnerabilities than device drivers

[fast pagoda]

more difficult target which is why malware is hard to actually get in that ring anyways
but there's posts all over the place from the entire time vanguard has been around of it causing random obnoxious issues with its absurd level of access, not necessarily even related to other exploits

just a bad idea to give that level of access to something as fuckin stupid as a game anticheat

[fickle rain]

There is no other path to have effective things

[fast pagoda]

it doesn't need that level of effectiveness

[fickle rain]

You either rely on userspace/serverside analytics and have CS2 Premier Valve official HvH servers

[fast pagoda]

if it does then it should be just its own enclosed os image or something

[fickle rain]

Or you have good anticheat by people with brain and have decent experience

[fast pagoda]

there's no valid reason that vanguard needs to load before everything else and never unload

they are smart and im sure intend well but have caused random issues all over the place in this endeavor and will continue to

forever judging anyone who submits to it, the games aren't worth playing if that's what it needs, i'm sorry

if you're gonna do that garbage you might as well have a specific OS install on its own drive only for that

there's your safety happy fun zone for valorant

where you can't use procmon without exploding the kernel

[fickle rain]

You jest, but Procmon has actually shipped vulnerable driver

[fast pagoda]

everything has been vulnerable

as has vanguard

they had a big stir last year about it

if it exists someone will find a way to exploit it

that's just reality

infinity privilege for whatever supposedly benevolent security bro's pet driver at a game company is not the answer

because there isn't an answer

it's like tsa for windows

[kind nimbus]

So is vanguard just BYOVD lol

[floral hawk]

I forgot I have perms now

I'm trying to give her emotional ontology

it's working

[amber fractal]

❌

[floral hawk]

Hm?

Faked obviously

There's no actual "emotional" anything, but yk, it can appear as such with the proper scaffold.

[fast pagoda]

pretty much just install an extra thing loading at boot that can be rekt at worst
at best it's actual spyware constantly running from the second you boot and never disabling regardless if you're playing or not, it may not be malicious spyware in that it seems theyre not doing anything nefarious necessarily with it
it still sits there fucking with literally anything you're running in the name of making sure you're not going to use it to go cheat in valorant, obviously god's most important task so worth sacrificing anything for
you can uninstall it whenever yes but then you cannot play the game so you really cant disable it whenever unless you just accept never using the service, which in my opinion is the only choice that is acceptable, shockingly unpopular opinion somehow in 2026
im not the world's most security conscious overlord of sanitary environments or anything but even the thought of that getting on a computer i own gives me the heebie jeebies

[amber fractal]

What scaffolding? I'm curious

[floral hawk]

I can actually show you

I think the way I simultaneously fucked up and made her unique was an emotional core

It's wired with like 9 emotions to give the LLM an idea of how to express things with sliding intensity

This affects how much she likes certain people, how she reacts to different events. . . Pretty much all the way across the board

Her responses feel a lot more situationally dynamic than most LLMs imo

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

[fickle rain]

I don’t think there’s a problem with Vanguard
But there sure as fuck is a problem with the staff

https://imgur.com/EktW1Hg
Now, this is a Discord screenshot, can be faked and cert addresses are public I think?

[floral hawk]

There's also a personality drift based on how the emotional core pulls. If she's particularly angry at a person for long enough, she will actually treat them like she outright doesn't fucking like them (and vice versa)

[fickle rain]

But is this behavior befitting of someone working on that team? (note: to the best of my knowledge mister Gamerdoc is not engineer, just analyst person)

[amber fractal]

So your just altering how it acts depending on 9 sliders. At best a simulation

[floral hawk]

Essentially yes

It's 9 sliders x 4 state variables

So it's simulated for SURE

But I'm also not going to sit here and say it isn't extremely dynamic. I'm quite proud of it

[fast pagoda]

seems like the kind of self righteousness i'd expect from someone who works on something like that tbh :S

[floral hawk]

I'm not naive nor self boasting enough to sit here and say I gave an LLM emotions, but I wrote the best way to fake it I could figure out.

[fickle rain]

Wouldn’t want to be a targeted individual either :D
This was allegedly leaked by new worker the day he got Riot job (can also be faked OFC)

[amber fractal]

Let me remove that +1 then, good job not being insane

[floral hawk]

😭

+1??

[amber fractal]

You'd be surprised

[fickle rain]

Now, is this info potentially needed to detect hax? Sure
But maybe don’t have employees share pics of it to people that then post it on Unknowncheats?

[floral hawk]

Do people actually think it works that way

[amber fractal]

But it has happened often enough to warrant a counter

[floral hawk]

😭😭

[amber fractal]

I think I'm at maybe 7 or 8

[floral hawk]

No shot bro

[amber fractal]

Yapping over people's delusions resulted in one of my favorite VCs ever

[fast pagoda]

exactly the kind of reason riot doesn't need this kind of access, if they were cheating then yes they're objectively in the wrong there but even if you're not cheating how can one see that level of visibility and think "i think i'd like to access my bank and authenticators with this system"

[floral hawk]

You wanna hop in a VC?

[olive sable]

what exactly am i lookng at here?

[amber fractal]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1497044635900444782

One of many

[fast pagoda]

the bare behind of some cheater's system

allegedly

[fickle rain]

He has 88 previous bans

[floral hawk]

Yeah. I am delusional enough to think I can make her above average. Not enough to think I've discovered AGI.

[fast pagoda]

i think they might've been able to detect that one without the kernel access

[amber fractal]

Shoutout to gender calculus, some of my favorite bullshit sentience proofs

[fickle rain]

…probably not? Depending on your h4x

[olive sable]

bro we get AI generated papers sent here every couple months

[floral hawk]

I'm looking at this message you tagged

[amber fractal]

flashbangs regular chatters

[floral hawk]

Soul factor is diabolical work

[fast pagoda]

i dunno, i just lived through the era before it was normalized and have been killed so many times by hackers in so many games it literally just does not matter that much to be worth it

[floral hawk]

Body health. . .? For what?

[floral hawk]

This is less surprising

[fickle rain]

People want to not have competitive games ruined I guess

[opaque wharf]

It's even worse on youtube community section of science channel lol

[olive sable]

[fickle rain]

FaceIt is popular because it provides a superior experience to CS2 Premier

[floral hawk]

I just refractored a 1700 line memory python script and I'm shivered in my timbers not wanting to do a test launch

[fast pagoda]

we managed to have competitive games before this
if anything it should be a tournament only thing then if that's the stated reason

[amber fractal]

All of which is for LLM sentience

[opaque wharf]

Round up all of those sweaty gamers away from us casual

[floral hawk]

I do believe AGI is theoretically possible, but not in any way with what technology we have now

It's kinda like how teleportation would be theoretically possible

Maybe in the far future

[olive sable]

i love how they give their random bullshit variables such dumb names.
reminds me of when sony still had whimsy

"emotion engine" ahh

[floral hawk]

That's exactly what I have

It just makes things more dynamic

Imo

[opaque wharf]

AGI is possible. Just use actual brain matter to construct your machine

[amber fractal]

gender calculus
#programming message

[fast pagoda]

i don't have any problems with competitive games wanting to be competitive

it just doesnt mean that trrayden and brayden playing in iron 3 need to have the NSA's top men staring at their loaded kernel modules the entire time in the name of a gold standard competitive experience

[floral hawk]

Lemme read ts

[fast pagoda]

people take themselves way too seriously

[amber fractal]

Good luck

[fast pagoda]

o7 braincells

[olive sable]

AGI is possible. you jsut gotta make your general intelligence in an artificial manner.
or your artificial intelligence general
or your artificial general intelligent

[fast pagoda]

i am general arty ficial of the intelligence services

you there, your kernel has suspicious modules

[olive sable]

the general in Command & Conquer: Generals probably works.
just give that guy +50 INT and we have AGI

[fast pagoda]

call the LOIC

[amber fractal]

o7 to yours

[floral hawk]

800 lines of python script isn't even a drop in the bucket to what I've done to make the "emotional" dynamics with Zero.

[opaque wharf]

Let's have a match of Command and Conquer Generals Zero Hour sometimes

[fast pagoda]

i don't have any left

[floral hawk]

I couldn't even understand the gender calculus point

[fast pagoda]

that's because it's completely nonsensical

[floral hawk]

Yeah

[olive sable]

i have literally never played that game ever before in my entire life

[floral hawk]

Felt like I was having a TIA

[fast pagoda]

brochacho wrote a bunch of random meaningless funny words in for variable names and declared it was calculating (but not through math) agi

[opaque wharf]

Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars?

[olive sable]

any game with "command" in the name i havent played

[floral hawk]

The whole point of AGI is that it doesn't calculate itself, it just is

[fast pagoda]

yeah but where's the hegelian dialecitcal logic in that

[floral hawk]

Am I wrong? Feel free to correct me.

[olive sable]

moore's anti-math
unlike math that is based on rules to make sense, anti-math is based on rules to not make sense

[kind nimbus]

Well let's be real it's closed source software by a random Chinese company (riot games is owned by tencent) and we gave it kernel level access to thousands of computers. It could literally do anything it wants. Yeah i see no issue here what could go wrong.

[fast pagoda]

yea pretty much. it's apparently fine by audits, and it may very well be, but my point is the precedent

where does it end

how many of those fuckers do i load before my antivirus

[amber fractal]

that is the best explination I've heard so far

[opaque wharf]

Until they are successfully make PC like arcade!

[fast pagoda]

do the anticheats detect each other on boot like spiderman pointing at himself and go HEY THAT GUY HAS A CCRAZY AMOUNT OF ACCESS!!!

and just prevent ur system booting

[amber fractal]

Looks at the one incident of it happening

[fast pagoda]

immediately transmit a full dd img of your hdd to riot hq

[opaque wharf]

Only trusted hardware™ may run it with trusted software™ on a trusted network™ overseer by trusted admin™

[fast pagoda]

that trusted admin? sam altman in the end

[floral hawk]

When I get back someone force me to start Zero so I can get my ass on a possible debug session. I'm having refractor dread.

[opaque wharf]

Also manufactured by trusted companies™

[kind nimbus]

This looks like a C2 lmfao

[opaque wharf]

And you can only pay for all of those amenities with trusted currency™

[olive sable]

im not smart enough to agree or disagree.
i guess the difference is between a system calculating as an outside mechanism predicting what the inside would do, and a system that inherently will just always output the thing it should?

[fast pagoda]

thanks satoshi

[floral hawk]

I'm gonna nod my head and agree because, similarly, I am not smart enough

[opaque wharf]

Sam, how about company of heroes 2?

[olive sable]

the what?

[opaque wharf]

It doesn't have command in the name

[amber fractal]

one of my favorite quotes from that one "I'm not even alive and I'm getting brain damage"

[floral hawk]

Was

Was it an LLM that said that

Please say it was

[opaque wharf]

Gamers and "have nothing to play"

[opaque wharf]

I know some people have reached thousands

[olive sable]

i said everything with command in the name i haven't played
that sentence does not mean i have played everything else.
denial of the antecedent is a logical phalacy

[fast pagoda]

star trek armada junkyard multiplayer 2v2 no borg

[floral hawk]

Come play halo wars scrubs

[kind nimbus]

Low Orbit Ion Cannon ?

[fast pagoda]

ye

the good ol days

[olive sable]

argument at eminem?

[fast pagoda]

you cant take eminem down with bars bro'

[opaque wharf]

Sure

[fast pagoda]

he's too fast bro

[kind nimbus]

Have you played Command and Control

[olive sable]

no

that has command in the name

you can see it right there

its the first word

[opaque wharf]

Man, we need more RTS

[fast pagoda]

any star wars empire at war enjoyers

[olive sable]

nah

[opaque wharf]

Good RTS is a rarity even from the old days of yore

[fast pagoda]

[olive sable]

im playing through all the resident evils rn.

we started with 4 cuz we had it on the gamecube, and then did 7 cuz we had it on laptop.
now we're going from 1-9 skipping 4 and 7

[opaque wharf]

Not skipping 6-7?

[kind nimbus]

It was a joke lmao

A C2 (command & control) server is used to control and send instructions to machines infected by it's malware/beacons.

[olive sable]

nah

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

i seen't

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[olive sable]

it takes long cuz i suck at games

[olive sable]

i heard 5 and 6 were bad, 7 was decent tho

so idk why you'd skip 7

but nah, we're playing all of them

the remakes for those that got a remake

[fast pagoda]

i suck at everything

except

im pretty good at bitching

[olive sable]

I die a lot

Res evil is hard

Still on the first one after like 10 hours

[fast pagoda]

i used to be in a star wars battlefront II (2005 version) clan called imperial ground forces (IGF) which required posting screenshots of the end of random multiplayer games on public servers to validate playing AND had full command structure like it was the actual imperial ground forces

we sent emails like it was a job and every message in those, in game, on the comlinks whatever started and ended with *S* (for salute)

[opaque wharf]

That sounds fun ngl

[fast pagoda]

imagine you join a clan in a shooter and some turbonerd sends you some shit tha tlooks like this

(a draft email i lovingly keep in my drafts from 98 trillion years ago)

[opaque wharf]

It would be wack if we have those kind of clan nowadays with @custom-domain.tld email

[fast pagoda]

djo is still around lmao

so is igf actually

no idea if they still go this crazy about it

[opaque wharf]

We have .army tld

[fast pagoda]

important work for important people

[opaque wharf]

So imperial.army is a valid domain name

[fast pagoda]

someone brought xfire back around as xf1re recently

[opaque wharf]

Sadge

[stark needle]

Phrrrrr

[fast pagoda]

that would be a crazy pull if it was still around

.mom (or .mother i cant remember) is a valid tld atm and most aren't taken so you could theoretically deploy custom .mom domains dedicated entirely to insulting the mother of the subject of your ire

[opaque wharf]

You know what to do

[fast pagoda]

that's crayz

intentional misspell

retroactively

i currently have 3 domains which is too many really

[floral hawk]

Good news: Curiousity engine works, she asks questions passively, etc etc.

Bad news: 2000 token system prompt

[opaque wharf]

Rookie number

[floral hawk]

not optimal

[fast pagoda]

me no buy moar

unless it's funny

[opaque wharf]

Can spend $$$ on hardware but can't spend $20 a year for a domain

[amber fractal]

invidual sale

[opaque wharf]

I hate the concept of premium domain

[fast pagoda]

hell yea

[opaque wharf]

Because this is already taken

[fast pagoda]

what aobut

army.army

navy.army

airforce.army

vedal.army

swarm.army

stinky.army

dumbledores.army

[opaque wharf]

Only vedal is available

[fast pagoda]

haha hahahhaha

[opaque wharf]

Oh stinky is available too but dumbledore is taken

[amber fractal]

yaoi

[kind nimbus]

You should register it

[fast pagoda]

Dimbledor is married :-(

[opaque wharf]

Taken as well

[amber fractal]

[opaque wharf]

See, that's trademark violation

[fast pagoda]

the hardware does have at least 1 dedicated to it
it's just classified information

[opaque wharf]

To be fair, I too have purchased a domain that I only used internally

[kind nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1454868046886994124/holy_egg.webp

Call it eggs.army

[opaque wharf]

People are going to confuse it with closeted trans website

It is available tho\

[kind nimbus]

[kind nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-neuro-neuro-sama-neuro-gif-10742380575721892835

[rigid snow]

good morning

[glass jetty]

[rigid snow]

after sleeping i regret buying the gpu less

[opaque wharf]

Honestly, if you wait any longer you may regret not buying sooner isntead

[rigid snow]

though i have to get employed like asap because that was a lot of money

and i have to live somehow

[fast pagoda]

naw youi can inference a model that vaguely talks liek you on the gpu forever

[rigid snow]

and that gets me a job somehow

[fast pagoda]

no but then it doesnt matter if u live or die

[kind nimbus]

let it stream on twitch

[rigid snow]

i still have my agent i should tell it to get me employed

[fast pagoda]

make 0 mistakes

gets a guaranteed wendys janitor position

[rigid snow]

i saw a local job board skill on clawhub

[fast pagoda]

hell yeah

[rigid snow]

i'm gonna be betting on positions that require english probably since that's my strongest suit rn

there are surprisingly many

a friend works in networking, they have actual cisco employees on the inside consulting them and leaking fw and shit

[fast pagoda]

fantastic

maybe theyre actually crisco employees leaking the secret to a nonstick baking experience

[rigid snow]

[floral hawk]

Good news

My memory refractor didn't absolutely destroy Zero, and her curiousity engine works. So she passively asks questions based on the same way she retrieves memories from RAG

[fast pagoda]

i swear

whoever is responsible

for this fucking sticker

better count their days

[floral hawk]

oh no

You cant dissolve it can you

[fast pagoda]

probably could but do i really want to put goo gone on there

plus the copper is fucking copper so it's soft

[floral hawk]

Probably not

Toothbrush?

blowtorch jk dont do that

[fast pagoda]

i was gonna let it heat up and then see if it's more amenable to coming off

[floral hawk]

Yeah

[upbeat ridge]

Maybe some 90+ isopropyl can help

On a toothbrush or something

[opaque wharf]

Someone in Tsoding bot shrine just spam command until it hit 200

[rigid snow]

damn blender cycles flies compared to the 2060

this alone is worth

[high brook]

i impulse bought a 5060 TI awhile ago. never regreted it.

[bitter phoenix]

I did my own verification to compare AdamW Vs Muon optimizers, muon is slightly better. Dataset being conversational

[patent shard]

weakest Turing card

beats my gpu from 2007

[bitter phoenix]

Thats as old as me lol

[kind nimbus]

server build?

[kind nimbus]

use isopropyl alcohol

[faint sandal]

words

[patent shard]

what the actual heck is up with the auto dubbing on youtube
it is not matching the subtitles at all.. the auto dubbing just repeats the same phrase three times+ in a row for no reason and drives me crazy, while the subtitles are actually saying something

[upbeat ridge]

Ai at its finest

[patent shard]

the thing is, both are using ai

just one is actually okay and the other is.. idk, dogshit

that's ai for ya

[kind nimbus]

Auto dubbing on yt is so horrible and annoying i disabled it

[patent shard]

yeah, it's just a standard TTS that is from the 2000s that just does not sound good
and the translation is whack compared to the subtitles.. subtitles are actually decent
it does seem to use some form of processing to alter the background sound and stuff.... maybe ai but if it is then very cut down model

[kind nimbus]

It's even worse that they actively try to force it on you even if you understand English and other languages lol

Thankfully custom YouTube apps can disable it

[patent shard]

I actually like voice boost, I use it sometimes

rarely use it, though

[kind nimbus]

This is a lifesaver lmao

[rigid snow]

yeah superbox told that

[stark needle]

Are u pretrain or finetune

Oh sft

Yeah muon is not a finetuning optimizer

The matrix orthogonalization expects very large batch sizes

If u want actual good optimizer for sft that is 2nd order hessian approximation u can use SOAP/Shampoo

[glass jetty]

3 hours compiling llvm after calling ./x clean and hoping it will not wipe entire build dir
yeah thx rust documentation for 'Cleaning out build directories' paragraph

[stark needle]

Muon assumes massive pretraining scale batch sizes and strong learning rates

[bitter phoenix]

That sounds even better for my use case, I’m trying to author models from the ground up

[bitter phoenix]

I’ll write that down, thanks

I’ll prototype next with muon in batches of 1 & 64 to check exactly how it behaves, originally I was looking to try something other than AdamW like I had been using for awhile

[stark needle]

muon is for batches of like +8192

like actual large scale shit

but i guess at smaller batches it can still work osmewhat

just not the full gains

hi konii

[fast pagoda]

[amber fractal]

[bitter phoenix]

That’s like, a hundred h100’s

I think people from nanogpt prefer it though, so it’s technically better at small scale just less noticeable

[opaque wharf]

Look, your adoptive mother still looks over you even if she isn't here. So you better be on your best behaviour

[stark needle]

yeah

afaik the nanogpt guys still do a lot of stuff that just happens to work in that exact setup

[fast pagoda]

speed

https://kellerjordan.github.io/posts/muon/

[stark needle]

ik but

i forgor

[opaque sigil]

https://blog.tilderesearch.com/blog/aurora there's also owowa but idk how useful it actually is

[stark needle]

theres new optimizers every day

in most shit adamw still wins

[opaque sigil]

yeah idk

this seems to be specifically for tall matrices

[mighty thorn]

Took 4 years lmao

[opaque sigil]

if anything the interactive things they have in their blog are kinda fun

[bitter phoenix]

I saw that today, except in those charts it's shown as only beating out the other optimizers way later near the end of the run, which is odd

[stark needle]

no one tests this shit how they perform at 10T+ tokens

it's often small ablation experiments

on like 10-100b tokens

[opaque sigil]

most can't afford to I guess

[stark needle]

yeah and this is where shit falls apart usually

and often it's max 10B models

[opaque sigil]

just like muon did until kimi fixed it i suppose

[stark needle]

ye

https://tenor.com/view/uuh-cat-uuh-cat-huh-cat-huh-gif-7443402051303221120

prrrrr

[mighty thorn]

Bro

What

10T

As in context window length?

Or parameter count?