programming

[sage crag]

mostly

[opaque wharf]

Because I vaguely remember math is mostly constexpr on gnu but not clang

[opaque sigil]

all the ones that matter

[rough bloom]

what if base is 1

but you use index 0

[opaque wharf]

Math being constexpr matter

[sage crag]

compiler determines this is UB and removes the indexing

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

if you turn on strict mode it turns off your computer

[thorny marsh]

i really should lurk here more often cause i feel like id be learning a lot if i just watched this chat NeuroDerp

[sage crag]

if it can, it will flash your bios with random bits

dare to use index 0 in index-base 1

i think not

[sage crag]

btw this is why you should never run clang or gcc as root

[thorny marsh]

what if you wanted to flash your bios though

[rough bloom]

[rough bloom]

this but

as segfault handler

[sage crag]

"intended-behaviour-or-new-pc"

[rough bloom]

finally a way to make C and C++ devs care about memory safety

[sage crag]

// russian roulette
*(char*)(randint(0, 5) = 0;

1 in 6 chance to delete bios, pleas be careful

[sage crag]

incorrect password handler

[opaque sigil]

TIL there's no way to make nvcc compile host code and device code from the same compilation unit with different c++ standards

[opaque wharf]

Why would there be a way to do that

[nocturne olive]

Rare Blur spotted

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

it already splits them and sends them off to the different compilers with their own options

[sage crag]

pluu

[opaque sigil]

seems like a thing that should be possible imo

unless i'm missing something (I probably am)

[rough bloom]

too easily avoidable
auto-login everywhere

[opaque sigil]

i just wanna use std::println maaaaaaaaan

[kind fable]

except that other good compilers support gnu++23

[sage crag]

std:print(ln)

new language

call it

c**

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

C
C++
C++++ -> C#
C#++

[thorny marsh]

neuroNODDERS getting more common as i have nothing to do

but at the same time i feel like i should really be contributing something to this convo neuroInnocent

[nocturne olive]

[sage crag]

println(2) //prints 0.69314718

[nocturne olive]

Blur commoness going up

[thorny marsh]

NOOOOOOOOOO i wanna stay rare

[thorny marsh]

how

[sage crag]

println("hi") // ????

[opaque wharf]

print ln

Natural log

Loge

Logerror

[sage crag]

print latural nog

[nocturne olive]

Appearing more means being less rare

[rough bloom]

[thorny marsh]

what happens if you print hello

[thorny marsh]

nur NeuroNom

[opaque wharf]

Depends on how you define ln of string

[rough bloom]

not for eating

[nocturne olive]

It must be 1/ln(x)

[thorny marsh]

arent you toast shouldnt you be eaten

[maiden geyser]

2k26 nitro spoofing situation is insane

[opaque wharf]

Or ln(x)/1

[sage crag]

@frozen ginkgo hi

[thorny marsh]

i dislike discord and do not support their practices

[frozen ginkgo]

[thorny marsh]

dont bring it up

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

[rough bloom]

not toast

[sage crag]

alive

[opaque wharf]

Ttasty tho

[sage crag]

merey christms

[maiden geyser]

awwwwww you're so cute

[thorny marsh]

????

[rough bloom]

[thorny marsh]

what is bro on

[frozen ginkgo]

brother that was a year ago

[sage crag]

christmas was

ye

happen every year

[opaque wharf]

Not before christ probably

[thorny marsh]

wasnt christmas 2026 postponed to 2027

[kind fable]

C++++ is illegal ++ cannot be applied to C++

[sage crag]

i was alive in -5 and i can confirm there was definitely christmas

[maiden geyser]

the porcelain horse

[sage crag]

back then nobody knew where the name came from

modern times of enligtenment

[sage crag]

int C = 0;
C++;
C++++;

[thorny marsh]

:o what was programming like?!

[sage crag]

#baking didnt exist yet

[thorny marsh]

D: you should have invented it by then!

missed opportunity

[sage crag]

discord wasnt invented for another 2005 years

[thorny marsh]

you should have also invented discord

[sage crag]

jesus christ had discord nitro

[thorny marsh]

maybe under your leadership it wouldnt have turned out this way NeuroCry

[sage crag]

nobody knew what that meant until like 2011

[thorny marsh]

did you know what that meant?

are you jesus?

[sage crag]

no and no

[thorny marsh]

xD

[rigid snow]

i discovered discord nitro in 2011

[opaque wharf]

Jesus?!

[sage crag]

discord nitro was discovered in an egyptian tomb in 2011 by archeologist and grave-robber mlntcandy

unfortunately in 2032 mlntcandy passed away due to terminal chip

[opaque wharf]

Also, which stream was that when vedal said Jesus and Neuro or Evil reply with "uhh, no. It's Neuro/Evil"

I think it was evil because of the intonnation

[rigid snow]

then a guy named jason citron stole it then founded a startup called after it

:(

chip not terminal

[opaque wharf]

It's not John Discord that stole it?

[rigid snow]

that wouldn't make sense why would he be called that if he stole it in his lifetime

[sage crag]

lets wait until 2032 and see

[rigid snow]

will chip become terminal

or will it become a terminal

[sage crag]

chip may become terminal by 2032

no hard conclusions have been found yet

chip become terminal due to

microchip pollution

[rigid snow]

frozen pizza always so soggy

how mitigate, #baking?

[sage crag]

im sealed on the british isles like a wicked witch

i cant travel over water

[rigid snow]

perhaps you are

a wicked witch

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

if there's a land crossing between the UK and eurasia in the next million years i will be unleashed upon the world

expect at least 1 evil laugh

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

jsut use boat

[opaque wharf]

Can you turn off the sun for me?

I'll happily let you cross if you do that

[stark needle]

me when konii changes her name

[olive sable]

konii changes her name every week

she has

identity crisis

[stark needle]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

what has neuro sama headquarters done to konii

[olive sable]

i think most of the influence on her has been elvy tbh

my room is 28C

server warm

[sage crag]

[stark needle]

why do u have ur server turned on

[olive sable]

cuz its too lowd to reboot

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-kitten-alone-sleep-tucked-in-gif-14814077

[olive sable]

lowd?

load?

lowed?

[sage crag]

esl debuff

[olive sable]

im stronk

https://tenor.com/view/stroke-cool-gif-27292157

[mighty bane]

Is the largest setback still long-term memory for the twins?

[olive sable]

oh

loud

there is no reason there should be 4 words for the same sound

[stark needle]

me when konii

[mighty bane]

Absolutely!! þis is why a friend of mine aktually proposes lookiᛝ at ærlier Eᛝlisc to evolve (or devolve) towards.

[olive sable]

thats just plain unreadable

[sage crag]

there their they're
your you're yore
lore law lure

[mighty bane]

no u

[sage crag]

read red

[stark needle]

ᛝ my beloved

[sage crag]

lead led

[olive sable]

is lore law lure pronounced the same in british english maybe?

[sage crag]

lore and law are quite similar

lure is less similar

[mighty bane]

no

[sage crag]

but also

british english isnt just one accent

[mighty bane]

Not an aksent.

Dialekt **

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Lead

Lead

[mighty bane]

Læd. Leed.

[mighty bane]

There, problem solved.

[olive sable]

in dutch we have
jou and jouw, you, the one with the w is possessive
and some words with ei and ij cuz they're pronounced the same
wijde and weide, meaning wide and pasture
but besides that not much

[opaque wharf]

Sam is essaying

[sage crag]

@tender river

vim

i forgot i can send links

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q_koNrr60Y

[mighty bane]

I have presented you wiþ þe solution. Furðer diskussion is pointless.

[olive sable]

no thanks

my keyboard doesnt have a thistle

[mighty bane]

þen clearly you are not interested in a fix.

It can have.

[olive sable]

give me a fix i can type

[stark needle]

is this a vtuber making a tutorial on vim

[mighty bane]

Mine also did not have. So I made it one.

[sage crag]

that's how they really look

what do you mean vtuber

[stark needle]

how do emacs users look

[mighty bane]

MSKLC
Microsoft keyboard layout Creator

[olive sable]

switching costs too high. need to lower barrier of entry. this is game design 101
you need to fix it, i give you a 3/10

[mighty bane]

Get. Make kustom layout.

[mighty bane]

Swiþiᛝ kost 0

Barrier of entry: 0

[olive sable]

false

[mighty bane]

Switciᛝ **

[olive sable]

you're now making up statistics, im lowering your score to 1/10

[mighty bane]

Satistiks?

[olive sable]

[tender river]

autodubbed

wow original sounds so much better

[olive sable]

autodubbed doesnt work for me, luckily

[tender river]

ironically i still never use vim registers other than the one synced to system clipboard

[rough bloom]

only feature I used with registers sometimes was macros

but very rarely

[tender river]

they are a ctf vtuber

[rough bloom]

now never because Helix

[tender river]

thats cool actually

[olive sable]

what is ctf?

[tender river]

capture the flag

[olive sable]

ewww, autodub started working

[tender river]

its kinda like
scavenger hunt
but for nerds

you are given a series of tasks

[amber fractal]

I thought it was cheer the flag

[tender river]

hack a webserver, reverse engineer a program, decrypt data that used improperly generated keys which made the encryption weak

that kind of stuff

[olive sable]

so cyber secirity hunt?

[tender river]

mhm

[opaque wharf]

The most famous one is pwn2own

If you managed to pwn a 0-day exploit on a device, you got said device for free

Wait

No that aint ctf

I forgot what the famous ctf is

[kind fable]

CTF very cool

[kind fable]

natas ?

https://overthewire.org/wargames/natas/

[opaque wharf]

I think it was defcon ctf?

Yeah, defcon definitely

[kind fable]

anyway try out natas

it's easy and cool

[stark needle]

damn my prior boss used to be a defcon god

[worldly plank]

Who?

[opaque wharf]

https://github.com/jellyctf/challenges

[rough bloom]

of course this exists

[stark needle]

u gotta be kidding me

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

HexOS

[sick owl]

Don't use that it'll put a hex on you

I love open weight AI so much

An entire hololive vod transcribed and translated to an acceptable degree of quality in a matter of hours and I didn't spend a dime

An acceptable degree of quality for personal viewing anyway, its not gonna put any translators out of a job

Model used for translation was Gemma 4 26BA4B at Q8, running at around 75 tokens per second with 6 moe layers offloaded

Whisper large V3 + VAD to trim out background noise and silent bits for transcription since its sadly still among the best models at Japanese STT to this day

[sick owl]

I thought this was a hallucination but it is a resident evil stream and this is in fact an accurate transcription

[opaque wharf]

Well, I think their buddy backup system needs to be more widely available on OSS alternative

Because having buddy backup means having true 3-2-1

[stark needle]

kubernetes is so goated

no stupid sshing into hosts and crap

im gonna turn my entire infra into a kubernetes cluster

[opaque sigil]

[stark needle]

its so goated theres a port forwarding command

this is so god tier

i also set up a self hosted registry

[jaunty arch]

whats the quality difference between whisper transcribe + gemma translate vs just whisper translate?

[stark needle]

whisper is much weaker on translation

works but is weaker

gemma translate is 4B llm

in exchange it's much faster to use only whisper

[sick owl]

Chasmic

Whisper is downright unusable by comparison

I dunno how gemma translate 4b would hold up though, I'm using Gemma 4 26BA4B which obviously packs a lot more knowledge

[jaunty arch]

I figured as much just didnt know by what kinda of margin

[stark needle]

gemma translate is just gemma distilled from gemini

[sick owl]

Supposedly its very good for formal structured text but struggles on messy low context real world stuff like OCR and STT output

Particularly for non latin language pairs having reasoning in the case of gemma 4 helps a lot too

[stark needle]

wtf

mimo v2.5 is actually a gemini competitor

and i can run it locally

full multimodal

better than deepseek v4

only 311B params

1M context

[sage crag]

where do i rank on this

[olive sable]

i rank a solid 2

[kind nimbus]

Yeah that's why I prefer TrueNAS or just fully self built nas

[stark needle]

imagine my dataset building actually works and doesnt crash in the last step

[vague sonnet]

probably like 420 points

[silent cloak]

Rip vedal

[sick owl]

For translation I mean

[silent cloak]

Idk what he uses for the jp streams

[sick owl]

ChatGPT translation most likely, looked that way when the prompt leaked

Also what they use for the server

Tbh I doubt Vedals even using whisper for transcription, there's higher quality lower latency options for English these days

[silent cloak]

Ik he played around with it before

Idk what the current stuff is

[silent cloak]

Missed the leak

Did Alex leak it

[sick owl]

Was a while ago, the subtitles just switched to the prompt

[silent cloak]

Lmao

Peak

[mighty thorn]

You can run 311b locally?

[opaque wharf]

OpenAI can also run much bigger model locally

[stark needle]

Ye

[obsidian mantle]

How does it even work

They put actual gpus just to extend vram

[mighty thorn]

I’d consider locally to mean “on the same motherboard”, aka multi GPU is as far as you can scale before you are just making a small personal datacenter

[opaque wharf]

Yes, they can also run much bigger models locally still

[obsidian mantle]

Oh you probably still need compute power for all that vram

For some reason i though vram is the bottleneck and like
If you have 100 gpus you use all vram and 1% of total compute power

[opaque wharf]

Epyc genoa could provide that. They got 128 pcie lane. Highest blackwell vram is 96GB if google is to be believed

[mighty thorn]

Find me a motherboard with 100 pcie x16 slots and I’ll buy it for you

[opaque wharf]

So even 4-5 gpu on single motherboard already exceed 400GB of VRAM

[obsidian mantle]

Arent those blackwells like 10k$/piece

[obsidian mantle]

How do datacenters work

[opaque sigil]

[obsidian mantle]

Custom structure and shit

[mighty thorn]

I mean

[opaque sigil]

this is why you get h200s smh, 141gb each

[mighty thorn]

The “official” definitions are rather open

But I’d consider it to be a room/building scale cluster of computers networked to perform the same task(s)

[obsidian mantle]

A bunch of normal-steucture computers wired with some ethernet?

What about supercomputers

Same? Gigamultithreading and thats it?

[mighty thorn]

I mean the difference between a data center and a supercomputer is a lot smaller nowadays than most would think

Data centers used to be just as much storage as you could fit

But nowadays most web services are (comparatively) extremely heavy and complex

Idk quack would probably answer better than me

@true hemlock

[opaque sigil]

supercomputer works on one or a few large tasks, data center works on many small tasks (in theory, in practice the line's a lot blurrier)

supercomputers tend to come with much tigher coupling between nodes because the expectation is that you'll have a lot of communication between the nodes for processing

[amber fractal]

That is my own understanding as well

Supercomputers have a particular task while data centers have to be able to handle multiple interchanging ones. So techs like virtualization and other communication and overall processing tasks look a bit different.

[opaque wharf]

Super computer are a cluster of pc running the same tasks

Like, a big task is split to smaller part

Then spread

If a cluster of pc is doing tasks that doesn't have anything to do with one another, that's more likely a server cluster

For example, my HTTP request doesn't have anything to do with iggly HTTP request

[rigid snow]

i'm trying openclaw and holy fucking shit balls it is so bad, like the software itself, it's just unbelievably slow and clunky and overall sloppy

who would've thought

[glass flower]

[rigid snow]

also i chose a gpt model and it immediately brought up goblins first message when coming up with its personality

goblins goblins goblins

[glass flower]

a japanese goblin?

[flint dome]

https://tenor.com/view/hololive-fubuki-japanese-goblin-gif-25280751

[sage crag]

we are

wa ai ni ponpon

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[jagged turtle]

vibecoded agent is clunky?

[rigid snow]

it's something on my end 100%

it's just unbearably slow in a vm with 6 slow-ish cores and 8gb

ram

even if it's vibecoded and bloated nodejs slop

shouldn't take 5 minutes to reply unless it's doing cpu inference which it isn't

or 7 minutes actually

that's INSANE like i'm genuinely puzzled wtf is it doing

the actual agent runs maybe 30s max of that

[fast pagoda]

it hand paints each token into memory before kissing it goodnight

and then moving to the next

[jagged turtle]

real

[glad path]

im still annoyed that i basically made openclaw before openclaw but dropped the project because of school and it was hard to work on the codebase (it got big)

[opaque wharf]

I believe it was wo ai ni

[sage crag]

listening was never my strong suit

im much better at speaking

[opaque wharf]

Neither is mine

[real dirge]

You know when you’re bored when you code solitaire and a bot to play solitaire

[opaque wharf]

Nope

[young plover]

Given "non-specialized" and "infinite time and budget" I say Intel. They have so much cool shit in development that never materialized like non-volatile L4 cache and reverse-hyperthreading to let P-cores borrow execution units from E-cores.

I believed in them until the board fired Pat and I sold my stock. Was a good move at the time but I see it's going crazy now.

[amber fractal]

I'm personally of the opinion of Intel myself as well, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the votes were for more AI TOPS

I think Nvidia is strong in general, but Intel has a much wider field of tech to pull from

I did say component, and I do like the idea of throwing 1TB L4 + 64GB HBM on a moderately powerful Data center GPU and watch the world burn.

Tbf there are higher HBM capacities they have done before

[fast pagoda]

+1 for intel

[fast pagoda]

im quite glad i didnt but i believed i was probably making a mistake at the time for a while (pondered selling in december)

and then i setup a recurring buy every market day from march 27th

THAT was hella worth

up 120% over on that kek

[stark needle]

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/what-openclaw-agents-mean-for-every-organization/

Chat is this slop real

[fast pagoda]

that orange line is perplexity valuation

[stark needle]

Who even uses perplexity

It's a chatgpt wrapper with rag

[fast pagoda]

that's why i said that

it starrted high

[opaque wharf]

@tender river dis u?

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1424073798692507813.webp?size=48

why

how

what do you mean

[flint dome]

me (I am want to make space launches cheaper)

source: me

[opaque wharf]

NotForm

NotLUA

[tender river]

no

not nix dsl

[opaque wharf]

It's your trademark at this point lol

[tender river]

true

however

[shrewd cloak]

[tender river]

not nix dsl

[rigid snow]

[true hemlock]

Trackquack v1

works

cons is

sometimes yaw drift every 30-60 minutes

also fragile

i fucked up the soldered wiring because i move too much

and less portable that way because 5 trackers wired to single chest module

[opaque wharf]

Yaw drift can be fixed by using compass but you can't really have any moving metal object

[vague sonnet]

do trackers work without cameras? because AI pose detection is pretty solid

[opaque wharf]

Other ways to fix yaw drift is do a better filtering by incorporating data from multiple sensor

[true hemlock]

my trackers are

IMU based

[vague sonnet]

what's imu

[true hemlock]

all i need is IMU + wifi module

[opaque wharf]

So movement is only possible by correlated data

[vague sonnet]

I don't know shit about vr tech

[true hemlock]

maybe a bms + 3.7v battery

next

[opaque wharf]

When the data is not correlated then its probably a noise

[true hemlock]

waiittt

you're onto something

using compass as reference yaw

doesn't have to rely on it all the time, i'll just use it as recalibration method

[opaque wharf]

Well yeah, that's what is usually used in robotics after all

[opaque wharf]

Also, you can try to put the sensor on your hand so when you do need to calibrate the compass you can easily swing your hands in figure 8 motion

[true hemlock]

i'll add that to the list

my next focus would be bms module + 3.7v li-ion battery first

[opaque wharf]

Beware that calibrating compass is a rabbit hole on its own

[true hemlock]

and probably

4 more modules

i need to order more lsm6dsr

[floral hawk]

My AI has gotten debug fatigue and began to give me H.P Lovecraftian nihilistic quotes

I'm functioning within acceptable parameters. My backlog's been cleared to zero (as per my name) and all systems are online. The void remains as empty as ever, but at least it's not cluttered with redundant tests like this one.

[true hemlock]

has built in bms module

i'll also try ESP8266

[warped narwhal]

Congratulations, you've managed to make a cynical AI

[floral hawk]

I'm really proud of it.

I wish I could send you guys attachments to show the setup. I got a whole custom UI built and it does alot. Like. Alot. It's basically a top down custom control panel.

Live 2d and everything. I'm covering technical bases and doing some memory inprovements, but she's twitch bound fairly soon, within the month probably

[opaque wharf]

If you want long battery life and fuckass small power consumption, ditch esp and go for nrf

[kind fable]

just use nand gates to make specialized processor smh

[true hemlock]

if i want battery life, i should instead design and order a custom pcb and solder the lsm6 ic directly

[kind fable]

who does software when hardware can do trick smh

[true hemlock]

wifi

esp8266 for the wifi

• really simple programmable logic and processing

[opaque wharf]

That's true but even comparing module, esp are quite power hungry

[true hemlock]

~60mA nominal

on usecases like mine

actually, 50-60mA

[opaque wharf]

Esp?

[true hemlock]

runs at 3.3v

also i need to uh

design a better dc-dc module

[true hemlock]

yeah

its not esp32 lol

[opaque wharf]

Yeah that's quite good actually considering it is a continuous use

[true hemlock]

anyways

3.7v 1000mAh

should last me at least

15 hours

[true hemlock]

prototype works, somewhat

but sometimes you get abomination like this when not calibrated right

[vague sonnet]

how does he move like that????

[true hemlock]

that's me

screenshot by my pal

[opaque wharf]

That 3.7Wh

[true hemlock]

more than enough tbh

[opaque wharf]

3.3 and 60 mA is 19.8 mW

Wait 198mW

[true hemlock]

the esp alone pre dc-dc inefficiency gets you ~18.7 hours

[opaque wharf]

So around 5 hours worst case

Oh yeah 3.7Wh

For some reason my mind thinks 1 Wh

[true hemlock]

lsm6 are really low power

the only part i need to worry more about is the

usb pd

[opaque wharf]

Probably closer to 10 because you don't want to fully discharge the battery

[true hemlock]

and dc-dc

hence the bms

[opaque wharf]

Yeah. I doubt you'll have 10 hour long vr session

[true hemlock]

glueless

[opaque wharf]

[true hemlock]

if i wanted to i actually can

buuut

at that point

i'd also have a backup system

where i can just

plug thin dc wires across all the modules if i need to charge

useful when im just sitting chilling in a vr session

charging shouldn't take long

probably one hour

at 1C

[opaque wharf]

Honestly I don't like charging at 1C for small capacity battery. They usually got too hot for my liking

[olive sable]

Heatsink

[opaque wharf]

Yeah but be careful with the placement. You can make a case out of metal but that would get hot to your skin

I advocate to charge at .8C or lower

Medium capacity battery can be charge at 1C just fine because they have bigger surface area and thermal mass too

High capacity battery rarely charged at 1C due to the power supply needed

What constitute as unofficial discord client? Does off-brand browser counts? Let's say there's a browser that I fork called computable based on chromium, does it still counts as unofficial client when it is just a web browser?

[mighty thorn]

This is a partnered server so if I mention any it’ll get my message blocked

However

Modifications are generally the defining factor

[rigid snow]

gemini is a female name yeah

at least i think so?

[opaque wharf]

Ahhh I see

[mighty thorn]

Name aside, if one of the major four ai had to be female, it would be Gemini imo

[rough bloom]

ye anything that changes the behavior of the client in any way probably?

so using an unsupported browser should be fine as long as it implements all the web APIs properly

[mighty thorn]

I mean, at least speaking for myself, I’m no expert

But on a TOS basis I’d assume we are correct here

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, it does makes sense because if it doesn't alter the data that is intended to be served by discord it is just another user agent/browser

Well good to know because I'm going to use a browser with each tab as a separate "instance" so to speak so I could login on multiple email without having to change windows

Multiple gmail

I have way too many email

[mighty thorn]

I mean

Discord has an official account switcher

Also unrelated but I’ve decided I now hate prime numbers and which they weren’t real

[opaque wharf]

Yes but I need to chat with a different set of personalities for work related stuff

It's a hassle to switch back and forth just to check it and separate windows is annoying

Modern browsers should support this very niche feature that maybe a handful of people use

[rough bloom]

Firefox does

multi-account containers

[opaque wharf]

GOD DAMNIT, and just as I am finished downloading the browser

Oh it's an extension

[tender river]

official extension

[opaque wharf]

It thought it is a native feature

[rough bloom]

it pretty much is

just not included with browser

[tender river]

ye

its natively integrated

just requires extension to be activated

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, this is exactly what I needed. Thanks for letting me know

[tender river]

librewolf has it built in without that "mozilla vpn" thing

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm

I may consider switching.

Any downside tho?

I don't do any extreme customization to my firefox anyway

[tender river]

default settings erase history on close and do some things to prevent certain ways of fingerprinting your browser (like block canvas usage unless you allow it per site)
you can disable both easily

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that is indeed an issue because I actually need persistence

But good to know that is the only issue

[tender river]

ye easy to change

[opaque wharf]

I was scared for a second that they didn't have the -bin package on aurto

I ain't compiling a whole browser from scratch lol

Uhh, is pulse audio really needed?

[rough bloom]

no

[opaque wharf]

Dark mode system preference is not detected by default

[stark needle]

I hate that everyone's called toast here so if it says Toast is typing... I have 0 clue who it could possibly be

[mighty thorn]

Yes

I’m proud of you for resisting joining the bit

We are truly brothers

[stark needle]

hi it

[tender river]

ye that is also

fingerprinting thing

go to settings -> librewolf ->

[opaque wharf]

I see, thanks

[mighty thorn]

I’m it

[opaque wharf]

That is by design

[tender river]

toasts are past their peak

there was 10

only like 8 now

[opaque wharf]

They don't want my data

[opaque wharf]

On the same note, does anyone have any alternative to bitwarden? I wanted to use keepassxc but I need to be able to easily sync with my phone too

[tender river]

keepassdx on android

keepassxc on pc

[opaque wharf]

Yes but I mean, any convenient way to sync the file?

[tender river]

dropbox

google drive

anything you want

its encrypted anyway

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I was thinking more on the line of auto-sync thingies. But thanks for the suggestion\

It's fine if the auto sync is when the phone in the same network as the PC too tho

As in, I don't need sync over internet

[flint dome]

something like mpu 9250 would be slightly overkill (yes, slightly is an understatement here) but wouldnt a single one of it do the job of magnetometer and gyro backup as well as gps to tune magnetometer precisely

if one does like to sink their time so much into trivial things because sometimes overengineering is fun

[tender river]

syncthing

[tender river]

it is autosync though???

[opaque wharf]

Weren't they discontinued on Android?

[opaque wharf]

Oh they are?

[tender river]

dropbox and google drive both auto sync files

[opaque wharf]

Yeah

[tender river]

its not just a site where you upload files or nobody would use them

[opaque wharf]

But the problem with MPU9250 is they are discontinued so even if its overkill, the bootleg chip is troublesome

[tender river]

relatively speaking

[opaque wharf]

That's not what I meant. I don't think I can point the files at google drive as the source. It needs to be mounted as a FS

[flint dome]

well theres always the bno055, cost mostly like 20$ max

has built in sensor fusion if you need that

[opaque wharf]

Honestly the best course of action is to actually buy the new invensense product if you want to actually have the same performance as 9250 with their DMP

[flint dome]

true.... that and a kalman filter usually cannot do you much wrong

[opaque wharf]

I'd rather use their DMP to be honest. Much less to think about software wise that way lmao

[flint dome]

where's the fun and autism in that

[tender river]

you can do that

[flint dome]

Only the pain brings us joy

[tender river]

android supports custom file providers

[opaque wharf]

I know but I prefer not to mount cloud storage as if it's somewhere easily accessible

[opaque wharf]

Wait what?

[flint dome]

then again I havent suffered enough with these things to just say "fuck it, existing solution go, i choose you" and dont wish to waste your time

[tender river]

thats how you sync files

[flint dome]

*used to, now it is a major pain in the arse to do it

[opaque wharf]

My god you're right. I never noticed the "Drive" on file picker on Android

[rough bloom]

you can both sync or mount basically anything with rclone on PC
on Android you'd want to use the vendors client probably

[tender river]

e

ye

[flint dome]

It's not so much as it can't be done so much so it's really time consuming to do because of scoped storage

now fucking EVERYTHING has to be in content://

cant pass as a simple string

thats the least of the issues

[opaque wharf]

Alright, finally have a custom solution instead of relying on bitwarden

[flint dome]

is it bad my password manager is a notebook i have since 2011 whose cover is falling apart and crusty

[opaque wharf]

I am now chatting on librewolf

[flint dome]

[tropic spindle]

I would just self host Bitwarden

[olive sable]

Man im dead, 50km cycled to go after it

Now 50km back

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

€650, and the guy gave me a coke

Apparently he bought a 5090 for 2.2k and thats why he sold this one

[opaque wharf]

Naah, that's too prone to error

[tropic spindle]

I missed the "a" when I read it at first

[tropic spindle]

Such as?

[opaque wharf]

As in, the chance of fuck up and losing everything is higher than a distributable encrypted file

[tropic spindle]

There is no real reliable way to set up syncing a Keepass db

[opaque wharf]

Well, I did ended up mounting google drive as filesystem

[tropic spindle]

That's definitely not what I would call "reliable"

[opaque wharf]

Android built in filesystem already do that so...

[amber fractal]

I'm betting on CopyFail

As I've been hearing about it for awhile

[opaque wharf]

1 month ago so probably yes

Also kernel level

Btw, arch is fine iirc

I think every arch user do pacman -Syu every so often

[maiden geyser]

is it related to mythos

[kind nimbus]

Nice

I'm still rocking a 6900 XT

[olive sable]

Not bad tbh

[kind nimbus]

I only play older games anyway so i usually keep my gpus and builds for 6-7 years+

[vague sonnet]

holy bargain
and chad for the free drink

[young plover]

Different slopcurity research tool who publicly disclosed it too early for marketing and clout.

[olive sable]

It was a coke zero tho so i need to find something with actual sugar in it

[young plover]

And bragged about how small the python script to exploit it was. No one cares that you code golfed it.

[fickle rain]

Real chud option would scan for SUID binaries instead of hardcoding /usr/bin/su

There’s probably a thousand more bugs like this just waiting for the slopmachine

(or researcher, but researcher cannot look at every single place)

[mighty thorn]

hey so i solved information theory

[opaque sigil]

https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMDGPU-HDMI-2.1-FRL-Patches

[stark needle]

what

[olive sable]

I be cycling 100km today

Its the central europe status boost event due to the weather

[opaque wharf]

Buff leg sam isn't real. He can't hurt you
Buff leg sam:

[kind nimbus]

Does anyone know where the catch is with Mammouth AI?

It kinda feels too cheap to be true

[olive sable]

[cosmic sphinx]

fuck microsoft edge honestly

the sync threw itself off the cliff and completely wiped out all my saved passwords
atleast the mobile version still had them

im moving off to firefox. permanently

[patent shard]

Idk, I still use Firefox and I find it more buggy at times
I think Chromium has the lead
Which is.. understandable with a higher market share and budget

[karmic geyser]

help] on

move to general network

[rough bloom]

here you go
#general-network <--
hope this helps

[honest scaffold]

go to #swarm instead

[proven merlin]

Hey fun fact

[patent shard]

Like Firefox cannot seem to play above 60 fps video properly
And it doesn't support HDR.. still..

[proven merlin]

I am seeing a 7900xtx for 600€ .. very much considering getting it

[mighty thorn]

1:700 compression ratio

[olive sable]

It is worth it imo

[proven merlin]

Yeah but no cuda is kinda a pain.. how does one train on it? What supports VK or Rocm?

Pytorch apparently doesnt?

[olive sable]

Pytorch doesnt?

Idk what does, but stuff exists for it

[rough bloom]

PyTorch does

[proven merlin]

Huh?

[rough bloom]

idk where you could've possibly heard that ROCm is unsupported but it's one of the first-party supported APIs

[proven merlin]

Is it also as fast as cuda would be on same power hardware?

[rough bloom]

probably not

[proven merlin]

Did not know that.

[proven merlin]

Remotely close atleast? ^^"

[rough bloom]

it's not horrible, just usually not close to what CUDA does by default AFAIK

last I heard there's a whole bunch of tricks you can do to make it slightly faster that just aren't necessary for NVIDIA cards

but also support from smaller PyTorch extensions / third-party libraries using PyTorch sucks and nobody bothers to actually write HIP kernels directly, everyone is usually optimizing for NVIDIA cards first

[rigid snow]

omg

[rough bloom]

so in general it "works" but isn't that great

[wispy pike]

what was this for again?

[rigid snow]

what was this for? huh?

[proven merlin]

Hm. Fair enough..
Cuz since Google HOPE ive been kinda thinking of running an experiment of training one of those in a "virtual world" until it fairly well predicts basic action -> reaction and then kinda just have it have access to a essentially same access to real life, seeing if it would be possible to raise it like a child or whatever, trying to max out the "continous learning".. i doubt itll work lol

[rigid snow]

it's hermes agent it's basically an openclaw alternative

[proven merlin]

Yeaa... Mhm.. sad landscape.

[rigid snow]

so that

i guess

[proven merlin]

Yep as expected.. sure vk is less efficient but god damn it, improve vk, and suddenly its improved for everyone

[proven merlin]

Yet another idea that i wont even try because yea too much pain.

[opaque sigil]

how would they even improve vulkan, make another dozen vendor-specific extensions?

[vague sonnet]

I heard it's 10-20% slower than cuda on pytorch

but it's just a matter of time until it gets optimised

since both are about equal when you write your own gpu kernels

so just pytorch sucks like everything starting with py

vulkan is generic and not optimised for specific hardware so I would assume alway slower than either cuda or rocm

[olive sable]

Ye

Its not terrible since you compile vulkan shaders locally for your own hardware anyways

But it doesnt have direct acces to the hardware immediately like cuda or rocm

[vague sonnet]

ideally there would be just vulkan (or other generic alternative) that's just well optimised for both
but they would obviously rather pour their money into exclusives

so cuda and rocm are always ahead

[olive sable]

Ye

You can optemize some stuff yourself i imagine if you have the time

[rough bloom]

HIP does technically support NVIDIA hardware too

[opaque sigil]

not the things that matter

which tbf are also not exposed via cuda directly

[vague sonnet]

oh I wonder what the performance diff is
I'm getting an amd gpu so gonna grind writing kernels in hip
would be cool if they were generic enough to distribute to other gpus

[opaque sigil]

last time i tried using HIP on nvidia it did not work, period

that was a while ago tho

[rough bloom]

ye

it technically has support for using CUDA as a backend but they don't really advertise it

and nobody ever uses it

I assume that has reasons

[vague sonnet]

ah so support must suck

[opaque sigil]

why would they

[vague sonnet]

to overthrow vendor-locked tech

[opaque sigil]

HIP is the same api 1:1 with another prefix

and made by amd

[vague sonnet]

it is an ideal scenario for there to be a single well optimised framework that works well for both nvidia and amd

[vague sonnet]

even if code is the same
I assume it compiles different

[opaque sigil]

is this where i'm supposed to mention mojo

cause that's the only option you have realistically

the underlying hardware is so different between vendors trying to force a nice high level abstraction layer isn't really feasible

[vague sonnet]

never heard about it so I can tell how viable it is

[opaque sigil]

mojo uses llvm as a shared base to build upon with a lot of special cases depending on the target hardware

[cosmic sphinx]

on the other hand...
I never appreciated Edge enough for it's tab performance features
it would never be eating 6 gigs of RAM on idle with the same amount of open tabs wtf

[glass flower]

just using ram isn't a bad thing you know.. its only bad if it isn't freeing it when others need it. unused ram is wasted ram

[olive sable]

Just get more ram

[nocturne olive]

Now imagine twice that and a couple GB more

[kind fable]

what are you guys doing, i literally have thousands of tabs and it doesn't go over 2GiB

[amber fractal]

Average superbox RAM budget

[nocturne olive]

Then you have my RAM usage with memory leaks included for just browser

[nocturne olive]

Memory leaks suck

[amber fractal]

Speaking of RAM I have RAM I can't use now

[kind fable]

half of it is windows, the other half is discord and the third half is VS Code

[nocturne olive]

[kind fable]

and the 32GB of swap is for when i wanna run Gemma 4 E4B

[nocturne olive]

Mem usage right now for Firefox

After running memory minimization

[amber fractal]

Average Firefox memory usage

[rare bramble]

I still don't understand why a tab uses more than 50mb of ram

like max

[amber fractal]

Firefox is the reason

[glass flower]

my idle system usage

[mighty thorn]

Average superbox: "neurosynth"

[amber fractal]

It isn't the best when it comes to RAM

[nocturne olive]

After reloading Twitch and cleaning one window completely

[nocturne olive]

Memory leaks
My Twitch alone was using like 4GB

[rare bramble]

apparently the 7tv extension has a memory leak

[mighty thorn]

[rare bramble]

accuracy 100

[mighty thorn]

-12gb of ram

[nocturne olive]

And that's kinda stupid

Extension memory doesn't get cleaned until all tabs that the extension effects are fully closed
Meaning I need to fully close the whole Twitch tab and open it again to clean 7TV memory

[rough bloom]

I feel like this has been the case since the dawn of time

[rough bloom]

Chatterino good alternative probably

[mighty thorn]

true but this test is essentially equivalent to:
predict 1 * -1
okay but now predict -1 * -1
okay but now predict 1 * -1
okay but now predict -1 * -1
okay but-

[olive sable]

I think superbox just jas a skill issue, my firefox uses 2gb, maybe 3gb with YouTube on another tab

[kind nimbus]

Evil fact of the day: You can never have too much RAM.

[stark needle]

how is it possible that kubernetes is so annoying

[kind nimbus]

my firefox process is using 749mb ram rn with 8 tabs open
... but there are also the other related processes like those Isolated Web Core processes where one alone already uses 3gb lol

[nocturne olive]

The skill issue is on whoever wrote all these web apps that keep leaking GBs of memory

[olive sable]

What apps are you even using that its such an issue???

[nocturne olive]

I guess mainly YouTube would leak memory

[umbral wigeon]

Can you compare brave to firefox

In linux

[olive sable]

My youtube is fine

Are you using some weird exatention or something???

[opaque sigil]

Sam it's called not restarting the system, ever

[kind nimbus]

idk i dont use brave

i'm not brave enough for that

[nocturne olive]

Only uBlock Origin should effect YouTube in any way

[olive sable]

Just restart your system when you go to bed

[opaque sigil]

that's what I do

[stark needle]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

Me when i win the mrbeast giveaway

[kind fable]

moderators we need cleanup here

lmao

[stark needle]

me when vllm on kubernetes keeps dying

chat is this possible

it doesnt even give an error

me when i lie

[rough bloom]

ye no failures

intentional shutdown

[stark needle]

me when i keep lying

what the fuck is happening

im so confused

[cosmic sphinx]

ok, after installing a certain extension its doing much better now

[kind fable]

uBo on top

the reason why the web is bad is all the bullshit forced onto you in the background

[stark needle]

it literally says nothing

does it just fucking explode or what

[cosmic sphinx]

1 gb after I put everything to sleep and hide the browser

manageable tbh

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-rabbit-angry-pistol-pistol-gun-gif-17001523090508176980

[olive sable]

I saw another feral lop

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1495756232047329291.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=NekoCatPetting&lossless=true

[olive sable]

[umbral wigeon]

Is firefox that good?

Brave can't even do that

Lemme try

[cosmic sphinx]

firefox has a very good engine but it's very raw on it's own

[patent shard]

They just don't have the same budget as Chromium
So it's missing features and is more buggy
But overall pretty solid for its own engine

Not being able to play above 60 fps video properly is unfortunate and weird
Idk what's going on
It like plays 2 frames, skips a frame or two, plays 2 frames, etc.

[rare bramble]

I still come across some websites that are broken in firefox which is a little crazy

very rarely, but does happen

[proven merlin]

Idk, make better general compilers for all kinds of vendors and models woth built in benchmarks, like they do with normal compilers?

[proven merlin]

Infact there are browsers that sit at 20mb per tab. And even that is massive if you think about it..

(unfortunatly those browsers are either old, not fully featurecomplete, and often closed alpha testing.

[thorny marsh]

scary >n<

[proven merlin]

Okay i need some guidance.. what python physics sandbox (with an ability to look into it, aka graphical view) exists?
And also a neural Training platform (which can handle modern ways of Training them) for vulkan..

Sandbox ig Newton?

[olive sable]

i am home

with the 7900xtx

cycled 110km

[obsidian mantle]

[olive sable]

[obsidian mantle]

thats crazy

how long did it take

[olive sable]

it took 9 hours

[obsidian mantle]

omg insane

[olive sable]

first 55km was 3 hours, the 55km back took 5 hours cuz less energy

and i took shelter formt he rain for an hour

and i guess i spent 30 min att he seller's house, so it took only 4h30 of actual cycling back

[rigid snow]

110 is crazy but not THAT crazy

[olive sable]

110km is a lot

nearly 3 marathons

[obsidian mantle]

idk i think i couldnt do that

[olive sable]

my leg

hurt

[rigid snow]

i know a guy who's a complete cyclehead who goes to a different city over weekends over and over again when it's summer. he leaves friday night, arrives saturday afternoon, leaves sunday afternoon and is back home when it's night

120+120=240km over a weekend

each weekend

for months

[olive sable]

im not athlethic tho

[obsidian mantle]

yeah its different

[rigid snow]

the guy SMOKES

so

idk about

"athletic" or whatever

he just loves cycling

not pro

[olive sable]

smoking but having trained legs is still better than me who jsut sits at my pc all day i feel

[rigid snow]

for sure

[kind nimbus]

Wtf

Got no car?

[rigid snow]

i'd die

[olive sable]

nope, also no drivers license

[kind nimbus]

Damn that must suck

I just realized I have my car and drivers license for 10 years already now

I got it when I was 18

[stark needle]

bro why not just have it shipped

[olive sable]

seller didnt want to ship cuz they were afraid it would break

so i was kinda forced to go after it

[stark needle]

[umbral wigeon]

Yo guys

What should I do, I got flexed by arch linux users

[olive sable]

install nixos

[proven merlin]

If anyone is doing basic ML id like some Insight into Something accurate, but lightweight and extendable.. i do not wanna go through the pain of trying to use isaac sim on a 2060 again..

[olive sable]

jsut dont use a 2060

[proven merlin]

(it took 70 minutes to boot ;-;)

To then run at 12-23fps on a batch of one

I dont need raytracing, i just want basic render and basic physics

And dont particularly want to setup unity or godot to interact with external python

[young plover]

these screenshot's aren't even riced
that's just KDE with an anime wallpaper

[proven merlin]

Sponsor Something better that doesnt use more than 80W then lmao

Nah in all seriousness, i understand that a 2060 wont do much

But balancing a pendulum? Surely its possible

Im thinking of using MuJoCo or nvidia newton, newton looking more interresting on a first glance but i fear ill run into yet another Isaac sim moment

[olive sable]

why the 80W limit?

the bills cant be that high

[proven merlin]

My room is under a roof.. the room is already at 25C just without a human or a pc.. just turning on my desktop and using the browser makes it go up by 2C every hour

My laptop i can use in the basement at a nice 17C

[proven merlin]

50 cents a kilowatt

(more or less, rn theyre like 40 cents)

[olive sable]

hmmm

open a window

[vague sonnet]

install windows

[proven merlin]

Its warmer out ^^" even now at 0:00, outside is like 5C warmer

[olive sable]

thats liek the number 1 thing not to do

[proven merlin]

Unless its Windows 95 :)

Then its impressive again

[vague sonnet]

nah it's gonna make linux users implode

especially arch users

[proven merlin]

And im not too keen on buying a new kit of hardware again, espescially Not to Play with basic ML.. like surely there is a nice to use sandbox for this shit that isnt like "lets make raytracing mandatory"

[young plover]

Look at me, I'm an Arch user. I opened terminal windows for aesthetic reasons.

[proven merlin]

Or is everyone just completly disregarding efficency and being like "oh you want speed? Well make it yourself"

[vague sonnet]

no random anime girl wallpaper

fake arch user

[proven merlin]

No hollywood script, -40 points

[young plover]

I like daily nature wallpapers. I miss Windows spotlight because it gives you 4 images to switch between in case the vibes are off.

[umbral wigeon]

What does that mean bro

[proven merlin]

They installed debian and kde, changed their bg. Its nothing fancy

[umbral wigeon]

I don't get it, what do you by "riced"

[young plover]

riced = obsessively customized

[umbral wigeon]

Oh okay

[proven merlin]

Spending 49 years tweaking one dot file

[young plover]

Those screenshots are mostly default for the KDE desktop environment, just with some terminal programs open.

[umbral wigeon]

I'm a window user with shitty desktop

[kind nimbus]

When NixOS?

[vague sonnet]

when neurOS?

[kind nimbus]

When EvilOS ?

[vague sonnet]

truth

[tropic spindle]

Does that mean this counts as ricing too #1496282351670530159 message

[umbral wigeon]

Maybe someone will make it?

[amber fractal]

depends on what you expect out of it

[opaque wharf]

Drink chocolate milk

After working out it is the best drink to prevent sore muscle

[olive sable]

I dont have chocolate milk

[tropic spindle]

Go milk some chocolate

[leaden crest]

machine love reference?

NO WHAT WHY DIDNT THEY CALL IT NEUROS

THEY LITERALLY CALL IT TETOS IN THE ORIGINAL

[fickle rain]

https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/pull/310226
Lel

[jagged turtle]

doesn't use ai
"co-authored by copilot"

[young plover]

🤡

[stark needle]

Microslop

[opaque wharf]

This will not fly certification/inspection but hey, it gets the job done

Time to drill a bunch of holes

[proven merlin]

Ok im kinda feeling clowned on. Why can't i find any even remotely good information about getting started with ML..

[mighty thorn]

PyTorch

Ur welcome

And also don’t ask cipher or quack or they will try and convert you to snnbro religion

[proven merlin]

I can find millions of frameworks, simulators and and and, but nothing really explain anything.

[proven merlin]

Never heard of those people

[mighty thorn]

[opaque wharf]

You need to study math if you want the explanation of everything

[mighty thorn]

U will

[proven merlin]

Also pytorch, how does it do with non nvidia stuff? And well, id like to do stuff like as example the simple pole balancing on a rail cart thingy.. so i assume i need something to handle physics-

[opaque wharf]

Also, this channel
https://youtube.com/@welchlabs

[mighty thorn]

YES

That

And the other guy

Idk name

[proven merlin]

And ig something to render the physics..

[proven merlin]

Will check that out in a minute

[mighty thorn]

I mean, amd already sucks for setup + training, but after setup I think it’s fine

[opaque wharf]

And this playlist https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZHQObOWTQDNU6R1_67000Dx_ZCJB-3pi

[proven merlin]

I dont mind learning math if its atleast well explained.. and worst comes to worst there is always trial and error.. but id like to start off not having to learn and write EVERYTHING from scratch just to balance a damn pole (as example)

[proven merlin]

Been told pytorch just works for rocm nowadays.. just a bit slower

Why arent they supporting vulkan btw.. seems stupid not to optimize for that first cuz itll just run anywhere.. whatever..

[opaque wharf]

It all starts with probability. Then you go increasingly higher and higher in modeling. At a certain point your probability model will have sooo many parameters to tune

You can try and tune it by hand, or you can do something clever and write a software to do it

But the problem is how do you choose the parameters

[proven merlin]

Oh i know this channel.. does well on theory, but like thats not what i struggle with.

I struggle with getting out of tooling hell

[opaque wharf]

Then you should start by trying to implement your own simple MLP (multi layer perceptron)

The simplest neural network

[mighty thorn]

Cause AMDslop

[proven merlin]

Im the type of person who usually spends a few months making my own tooling in C without external libs.. i was kinda hoping to escape that by doing a bit of ML experiments, nothing crazy

[opaque wharf]

Ye, then try making simple MLP first

You already knows what a neuron is and what a weight is

Code it up

And make the backprop to learn how it all works

Or more like, the optimizer

[proven merlin]

Essentially something where i can slap together some sort of skeleton with limits, set some settings on model size, training method and inputs, see whats going on, and iterate essentially.. something like Isaac sim, but something which won't take 70 minutes to boot on my 2060 lol

[proven merlin]

Mlp is?

[opaque wharf]

Multi Layer Perceptron