programming

[sage crag]

like this

desmodder say it will capture like this, but it actually captures a full screen and then scales it because the viewport is locked

so i had to add an inverse transform to the

viewport

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/nty1y5y0gw
done for now

oh graphic didnt update

shame

i was hoping it would update to this

[tender river]

oh

i decided to try manual scaling

its 1000000

no wonder f32 is having issues

wrr

it doesnt support f64

and turns out floating point is challenging here because of c

[sage crag]

[tender river]

NOT because of c

because of

c

[sage crag]

my fractal scales up to this zoom factor before reaching precision issue

or 81000x zoom

[rigid snow]

sdfkljsdlfkj

[sage crag]

tru

fractal

[rigid snow]

i got a credit card

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

eternal debt here i come

[sage crag]

what are the digits

:UNFOCUS:

[rigid snow]

you can't use them anyway why do you need them

[sage crag]

[tender river]

i can

give them to me instead

[rigid snow]

yeah you actually probably could find somewhere to use them

[sage crag]

ye

i could sell them also

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

gradients hard

[rigid snow]

dither

[sage crag]

you can use ln(ln(z))/ln(2)

it what i used in mandelbrot in ableos demonstration

or apparently not quite

close enough

[tender river]

[sage crag]

wrr

pixel

still using escape time colouring and not pixel colouring

when rendering fractal you can do either

escape time or domain colouring

[prime delta]

Nice man

Keep programming the universe or something...

[sage crag]

domain shows the complex derivative of the function at the point

and

escape time uses the escape time

but you can smooth it so its not stepped

this was the algorithm i used for smooth escape time colouring

math.ln(x * x + y * y) / 2 equivalent to ln(|z|)

log_zn = ln(|z|)
nu     = ln(log_zn / ln(2)) / ln(2)
smooth = iters + 1 - nu
frac   = smooth - int(smooth)

c0 = palette[k % palette.len]
c1 = palette[(k + 1) % pallete.len]

c = lerp(c0, c1, frac)

i guess

[tender river]

i did
iter -= log(log(log(zx * zx + zy * zy)));

[sage crag]

oh, nu could be rewritten as log2(log2(|z|)

[tender river]

log(log wasnt smooth enough

[sage crag]

hm

just thinking about it

do iterations of the escape time of the julia set increase in powers of 2

maybe thats why i used log2

so it could be cheaply computed on an int

but i forgot?

mayb

[tender river]

[sage crag]

what language does it use

[tender river]

i lied that wasnt the actual code

i translated it for brevity

but

code

[sage crag]

c0 = palette[k % palette.len]
c1 = palette[k++ % palette.len]

smooth = k - log2(log2(|z|))
c = lerp(c0, c1, smooth - int(smooth))

i guess smooth - k should also work

approximately

but they do exhibit different behaviours on a graph

so maybe not

[tender river]

should work well enough

in https://neuro-arg.github.io/graphics-toolbox/

[sage crag]

2.83kb

[tender river]

mostly boilerplate to support scaling

its my old code

the artifacts are really annoying

but this looks like actual fp artifacts rather than logic error

you can pan around with arrow keys

and scroll with scroll wheel

the triangles sometimes get different artifacts

i wonder how easy it would be to fix this

[mighty thorn]

What version of Python do you all use

Ive arbitrarily chosen 3.10 as my main despite not knowing any of the differences and it being harder to make work for some stuff

[sage crag]

the

translation of original ableos mandelbrot

slightly strange looking

[tender river]

[sage crag]

using division by 32 is much clearer

[tender river]

always the

lines

[sage crag]

you can convert from mandelbrot to julia like this

[sage crag]

what c value did you use for this

[tender river]

probably
-0.7269
+0.1889

oh i have an idea

i'll try same code but in

native webgpu

[sage crag]

dim

colours

[tender river]

what function do you use for colors

[sage crag]

random

[tender river]

[mighty thorn]

Fun fact

[tender river]

not fun

[mighty thorn]

WebGPU works (with great difficulty and convincing) in discord activities

[tender river]

i guess electron has no reason to disable it

[mighty thorn]

I got Qwen 2.5 0.5b to run entirely in the activity, and I double checked by killing the server script during inference and it still worked once all setup for the client

[autumn kestrel]

fractal neuro pls

[tender river]

i think artifacts are related to how webgpu does things native webgpu does similar things, but i tried similar code with opengl and it worked fine on large zoom

it could be wgpu in particular too
or some flags i need to pass
or something

[stark needle]

wrr

[sage crag]

vec3 hsv2rgb(vec3 c) {
    vec3 rgb = clamp(abs(mod(c.x*6.0 + vec3(0.0,4.0,2.0), 6.0) - 3.0) - 1.0, 0.0, 1.0);
    return c.z * mix(vec3(1.0), rgb, c.y);
}

void mainImage(out vec4 fragColour, in vec2 fragCoord) {
    vec2 uv = (fragCoord - 0.5 * iResolution.xy) / iResolution.y;
    
    //vec2 c = uv * 2.0;
    //vec2 z = vec2(0.0);
    
    vec2 z = uv*2.5;
    //vec2 c = vec2(-0.7269, +0.1889);
    
    const vec2 c = vec2(-0.65, 0.0);
    
    int i = 0;
    const int maxIters = 300;
    
    while (i < maxIters && dot(z, z) <= 4.0) {
        z = vec2(z.x*z.x - z.y*z.y, 2.0* z.x*z.y) + c;
        i++;
    }
    
    float s = float(i+2) - log2(log2(dot(z, z)));

    const float phi = 0.6180339887498948;
    //const float h = 213.0 / 255.0;
    float h = iTime * 0.2;
    const float hv = 0.1;
    
    vec3 col = vec3(
        //h + 255.0 * mod(hv * phi * sqrt(t) / s, 1.0),
        h + hv * sin(s * 0.2),
        //1.0 - 1.0 * sqrt(t),
        smoothstep(0.0, 1.0, s),
        //1.0 - 0.03 * s
        smoothstep(0.0, 0.9, s)
    );

    if (i == maxIters) { fragColour = vec4(hsv2rgb(vec3(h, 0.3, 1.0)), 0.0); } else
    { fragColour = vec4(hsv2rgb(col), 1.0); }
}

try

some cool

precision issue

[tender river]

gay

[true hemlock]

i added more iterations lmao

@sage crag

[sage crag]

how many?

[true hemlock]

as many as desmos could handle

before it just refuses to render

[sage crag]

you should be able to see it here:

[true hemlock]

also what are you using rn

[sage crag]

shadertoy

[true hemlock]

57 apparently

[silent cloak]

still crazy to me that u can do audio stuff through shaders

[kind fable]

lmao
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[silent cloak]

kek

[rough bloom]

PyTorch Lightning again

[silent cloak]

what even is it

[sage crag]

lightning is caused by a charge difference between atmosphere and earth

[rigid snow]

pytorch lightning is cool

[sage crag]

its an arc of elecricity that

[rigid snow]

blabhblahblahbla

nerd

[fickle rain]

https://xcancel.com/aaronp613/status/2049986504617820551

[rigid snow]

them using claude is not a secret

[fickle rain]

When is M$ leaving CLAUDE.md somewhere

Maybe we should have CLAUDE.md in Linux kernel/coreutils too

[jagged turtle]

have a CLAUDE.md everywhere

[true hemlock]

in need of some opinion

of the IMU LSM6DSR

as far as i read it has magnetometer similar to other high end IMUs

just well slightly more prone to a bit of drift

[opaque wharf]

Magneto?

I think the LSM6 is accelero and gyro

Not magneto

[thick karma]

I'm finding some interesting shit inside osu's source code

presumably website source

[stark needle]

it's for training ai models easier

[opaque wharf]

Anyhow every gyro will drift over time anyway

[true hemlock]

oh right

misread a datasheet

[thick karma]

All from osu's leaked website source code

[opaque wharf]

If you're filtering it anyway you can always try to correct the attitude of whatever you're measuring. But I think the LSM is more sensitive to temperature

[true hemlock]

i've built 4 tracking modules with LSM6DSR and was wondering if there's even more options i could try

[opaque wharf]

MPU9250

[true hemlock]

i think i'd need at least 5 or 6

[opaque wharf]

Or MPU6050

Other includes witmotion that provides AiO ready solution

[true hemlock]

2 on my torso for center reference

[opaque wharf]

If you're not low on budget I suggest just use witmotion. They're already packaged and have the options to use RS485 bus

[true hemlock]

lots of counterfeit models iirc

[true hemlock]

not really low on budget rn. just that i'd prefer to have great value

so i build my own

[opaque wharf]

Well, yeah. Invensense has discontinued them anyway. I forgot their replacement part #

[opaque wharf]

Then check out witmotion

[true hemlock]

also isn't this one a low end model

i have one and the motion sensitivity is somewhat ass

[opaque wharf]

The 9250 magneto is a separate IC anyway communicate using I2C

9250 is 6050 just with magneto inside the silicone

[true hemlock]

which supposedly makes it far better

though

my place doesn't particularly have stable magnetic environment

[opaque wharf]

I don't know about that. They are better because they have invensense proprietary filtering algorithm that can output quaternion

[true hemlock]

[opaque wharf]

Also, I think the witmotion does that too (outputting quaternion)

Invensense called it DMP IIRC

Digital Motion Processing

[true hemlock]

i could try witmotion honestly but for like maybe only one or two modules

they're expensive if i do like 12+ modules

[opaque wharf]

How sensitive do you need it anyway and what's your bandwidth need?

[opaque wharf]

I told you only if you're not low on budget

[true hemlock]

not much bandwidth, but definitely high sensitivity

[stark needle]

What kind of trackers do u need? Imu trackers or what

[opaque wharf]

Like blowing up the budget for government contract for example

[true hemlock]

which as far as i could find its mostly the LSM6 models that do well in non stable magnetic environments

[true hemlock]

yeah, actually making it rn

[stark needle]

https://docs.slimevr.dev/diy/imu-comparison.html

[opaque wharf]

EMI won't be an issue if you're not using a compass. And any electrical noise could be shielded by proper casing

[true hemlock]

from the IMU that i have

[stark needle]

From vrchat diy trackers comparison

[true hemlock]

ah

[true hemlock]

its not errr

emi

its uh

[opaque wharf]

Ahhh, there you go. The top one listed is the newer one from invensense

That replaces their old MPU model

[true hemlock]

damn all the ones he suggested are listed as avoid

[opaque wharf]

I told you both are discontinued

[true hemlock]

smh

the ICM models though

[opaque wharf]

Yes, same manufacturer

Invensense

[true hemlock]

oh, doesn't use magneto

[opaque wharf]

Because you don't need it

Unless you need absolute attitude

Like airplane

And they are a PITA to calibrate

[true hemlock]

its just trackers for vr anyway lmao

[opaque wharf]

If you even so much move an iron bar all bets are off

[true hemlock]

i specifically wanted to avoid those mainstream trackers like vive or others

[sick owl]

@fast pagoda La creatura arrived

[opaque wharf]

Comment: Finding legitimate MPU9250s has become exceedingly difficult due to counterfeits and DOA IMUs. Buy at your own risk.

[stark needle]

U can usually buy slimevr for very cheap from people that produce them large scale cause lower cost per component in bulk

[true hemlock]

...and i have bunch of IMUs and ESP modules sitting around...

[opaque wharf]

You still need to filter them anyway

[stark needle]

Ok fair enough

[true hemlock]

i only have 8 LSM6DSR though

and turns out it was one of the best option

oh well

its fine i can just

order more for like $2 each

[stark needle]

Yeah just find the OSS pcb and print them from jlc pcb or something for cheap

[true hemlock]

okay so

im on the right track

[opaque wharf]

My suggestion is use STM32 rather than ESP32 for the processing and filtering

[true hemlock]

if i could pull this off i might have something of a quality of slime trackers

[opaque wharf]

Use the ESP purely for the wireless stuff

[stark needle]

Yeah i have old bmi160 trackers back when that was the recommended like 3-4 years ago and theyre honestly not that bad

[opaque wharf]

And other high level stuff

[stark needle]

Like obviously it's not gonna beat lighthouse trackers

But like lighthouse is it's own pain anyway cause if u have anything in ur room or want to put a blanket they're dead

[true hemlock]

i'd want it to be able to connect to my network wirelessly

probably wifi

[true hemlock]

its ass

they're ass

[opaque wharf]

Words of warning, prepare for latency

[true hemlock]

i don't like trackers that can be obstructed

and they're

overpriced

ngl

[stark needle]

Buy tp link repeater and connect pc to repeater via ethernet

That's what i did

[true hemlock]

i have my own wifi access point in my room

connected to my switch

[stark needle]

Yeah then ur good

[opaque wharf]

Yeah that's fine then

Will not be as bad

[stark needle]

U can get like ~50-80ms latency

[true hemlock]

its how i can comfortably also play wireless pcvr

[opaque wharf]

If you want even lower then ditch the esp entirely and use dedicated 2.4GHz IC like some nrf offering

[true hemlock]

fair

[stark needle]

Yeah but gl diying ur own solution like that

The problem is the drivers

[true hemlock]

i study ic datasheets and pinout for life

[opaque wharf]

It's not that bad. STM32F103 have USB FS

[true hemlock]

the only problem is literally this

[opaque wharf]

What is the driver usually for vr tracker anyway? Not HID right?

If it's HID then it's easy enough

[stark needle]

wait what's ur vr headset @true hemlock ? i suppose pico or quest?

[true hemlock]

quest 3s

128gb

i don't really feel the need to spend more than that

i think i got it for $250

new

[stark needle]

yeah thats good price

not worth to dump 1k on a headset when most vr looks crap anyway

[true hemlock]

^

and i don't need more storage

i do pcvr anyway

[stark needle]

i mean if u just dont want lighthouse u can just buy 3 vive ultimate trackers which are still cheaper than lighthouse+vive trackers

[true hemlock]

uh

[true hemlock]

.

[stark needle]

but theyre like 600$ in total

[true hemlock]

yeah... nah

[stark needle]

do they only have camera tracking what

[true hemlock]

i move around few rooms

[stark needle]

yeah fair enough then no

[true hemlock]

• sometimes curling into blankets are fun

• i like good battery life modules and lightweighted

so i figured

i can just

maybe spend extra $30

• the stuff i already have

and build a full set of trackers

[stark needle]

sony mocopi trackers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybGf6ptGQJQ

[true hemlock]

how much do they cost

[stark needle]

like 380 euro here

for all

[true hemlock]

[stark needle]

and supposedly u can also use them for mocap

[true hemlock]

oh

[stark needle]

ok no supposedly they're BMI270 accordinf to some reverse engineer

https://github.com/moslime/mocopi-reverse-engineering/blob/main/README.md

or ICM40608

[true hemlock]

nvm then

basically more pricy slimes

[stark needle]

yeah

just get slime atp

with the trackers u alr have

u need like 5 trackers only

[opaque wharf]

Damn that's a shitty tracker

[stark needle]

it's also old af tbf

[opaque wharf]

I don't know much about tracker but the fact that the update rate, the zeroing, and all that jazz is shitty compared to what's actually need for smooth experience

[stark needle]

@true hemlock supposedly this is the new meta https://en.shiftall.net/products/haritorax2

has direct 2.4ghz as well via dongle

[opaque wharf]

Oh

I read that as shitfall at first

Like, who tf names their company or is that an open source project. But the site design screams company

[stark needle]

yeah its company

[opaque wharf]

Ye, shift all not shit fall

[stark needle]

lmao their manual is a google doc

[opaque wharf]

That's one way to do it I guess. Faster time to iterate than updating the site

[stark needle]

@true hemlock supposedly these even have lidar

[opaque wharf]

I would say that lidar will not be uhhh, as effective as they made it out to be

[stark needle]

better than nothing

[opaque wharf]

Yeah

But they also have the ankle version

[stark needle]

also supposedly also works in standalone

via phone

and they have a pro version for better ankle/less cables

for 398 euro

omg wtf

check out what else they sell

"soundproof microphone"💀

[true hemlock]

what the actual fuck

[stark needle]

is this what peak vr looks like

all just to be an anime girl online

[true hemlock]

bruh looks kidnapped

[rough bloom]

ye he is

they didn't pay him for this ad

[true hemlock]

[stark needle]

imagine ur parents walking in on u like this

[opaque wharf]

At that point just wear furry suit with muffler

[stark needle]

wear this but with a furry tail

and theyll send u to the psych ward

[idle dune]

Reminds me of the Cows from the one Cyberpunk mission

[stark needle]

they recommend this for meetings

lmao

imagine showing up like this to ur boss

hi it

[mighty thorn]

-# pretty sure the idea is digital meetings (calls with the boss) you have to take in public but discuss confidential stuff

[mighty thorn]

Can you screenshot my typing message plz

I want to see it is typing

[vague sonnet]

just do it on a normal mic
no one will understand the technical stuff anyway

[stark needle]

it is typing

[mighty thorn]

Suzuki’s did u u n g h h n idk did did did did id did id do did six fix. I dis six six so. Six er f c ff a s ff d d. CJ. J I kid d d d gg d s s doc I jd do I j j b g t to wi he sdjdhddhddjdjdjdjdsiizxjsj s dedication ii j j inch u j n b kids didndjdjdjic j i j odd do. Idiocy u y labs Sidney u Judd CJ n ex in ex in ex in ex in on ex to d into s hi k de h c n b in l s c

Alrighty thanks

[mighty thorn]

Hai

Am running tests of my prototype conditional depth model

It’s gotten up to 82% accuracy so far

Pretty poggies

[true hemlock]

bruh

[kind fable]

i was slow for this one

https://regexle.com/

[mighty thorn]

buh

[true hemlock]

what's this

[kind fable]

it's puzzle where you gotta solve regex

[stark needle]

ive been coding for 5-6 years and i still only know 2 regexes

* and **

[kind fable]

by example

[stark needle]

your what

[mighty thorn]

||

[kind fable]

that's not valid regex

that's globbing maybe but not regex

[stark needle]

bruh

then i know 0 regex

[opaque wharf]

That is a valid regex pattern to match for any character

[kind fable]

nope that's a glob

[opaque wharf]

*+ will select everything

[mighty thorn]

L>L>L>L>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
/
IL>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>L>OL

[kind fable]

a regex to match any character once is .

[opaque wharf]

* will select just one char

[mighty thorn]

That’s probably formatted correctly on desktop

Probably

[kind fable]

no if you want to select everything it's .*

[stark needle]

whats a conditional depth model

[true hemlock]

fuck lmao

[mighty thorn]

Supposed to look like this

[kind fable]

that's glob indeed

[true hemlock]

that's my first attempt ig

[mighty thorn]

Well the L’s are layers

[true hemlock]

idk how to read regex i do it by vibes

[mighty thorn]

The IL and OL are input layer and output layer

[stark needle]

so just residual/hyperconnections?

[kind fable]

🤦

it's not even like the regex here is hard

[opaque wharf]

Ohh right

[true hemlock]

i know its why i could solve it

[kind fable]

all you got is OR and wildcards here

[opaque wharf]

* is 0 or more

I forgot

[true hemlock]

i don't actually really know how to read actual regex

[kind fable]

no, just star mean star

[true hemlock]

this one is pretty self explanatory

[kind fable]

in regex if you want to say any char you use a dot

[opaque wharf]

Modifier

[kind fable]

and then you use the star modifier on it

[opaque wharf]

You can't just put star

You need to escape it

[kind fable]

you can and it mean match star if it has nothing in front but that depends on the regex engine

[opaque wharf]

Back not front

a* means 0 or more a

[true hemlock]

this one i assumed "must contain vt" along with other random shit i just solved by looking at the other regexes

[kind fable]

indeed

[opaque wharf]

Hence you can't just type * to regex engine as that would cause it to modify something

[tender river]

[opaque wharf]

You need to type \*

[kind fable]

this reads repeat any character any times then V T then repeat any character any time

[rough bloom]

the regexes on regexle are really simple

[true hemlock]

considering the reaction

[rough bloom]

short and always the same format

[true hemlock]

i assume my time is pretty bad

[kind fable]

in most good engines

i know for sure one bad engine which allow not escaping the modifier if it's the first character

[true hemlock]

yeah they're pretty self explanatory

[kind fable]

i forgor which one tho

but yeah escape stuff

[true hemlock]

also now y'all caught me never used any regex before

[kind fable]

anyway

REGEX is so simple and easy

everyone should know regex

[true hemlock]

fuck regex

[stark needle]

damn kaine is writing an essay

[true hemlock]

at least he's trying out ideas

[kind fable]

regex is perfect to validate URLs
just do .+@.+ smh /hj

[true hemlock]

better than my astrophysics rant

[stark needle]

your what rant

lmfao

[mighty thorn]

Basically do all of the input tokenization, preprocessing, multimodal embedding, etc etc using the input layer, then let it flow through the first few weight layers (the tail), then cache the outputs of everything, route the current activations and shit of the final tail layer to a secondary set of layers (the reader layer stack) which predicts a single next token (the string within <|role|>…<|role|>), fast forwards up to the output layer, then if the predicted next turn is of the assistant/model role then you reload the cached tail state and let everything flow through the rest of the main model layers (the writer layer stack) and generate an output normally, but if the reader predicts that the next turn won’t be an assistant turn then you stop there.
Is completely useless on virtually all pretrained models since they almost 100% all use just two real roles, “human” (user) and ai (model/assistant), but my future plans entail a model with a more open ended role system where, if these tests validate the core concept, this can be used to solve one of the biggest expected issues I’d otherwise have

[true hemlock]

i got curious on theoretical scenario where you have near endless supply of energy or just higher than C^2:1 energy to mass ratio conversion and storage

[kind fable]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[true hemlock]

and what it takes to travel to andromeda galaxy on such scenario

figured that if you could just accelerate at 1.5g half the time and decelerate on the other half

it takes about < 20 years for you. probably about 18 years

takes millions of years from earth's perspective though

~2.5 million years

special relativity is both a blessing and a curse

[stark needle]

so just early exit? came out in 2024 (https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.16710) and was integrated into HF transformers ages ago https://huggingface.co/blog/layerskip

[mighty thorn]

A bit more complicated than that because the final implementation will be more complex than a binary stop or go

But that same concept

And also the fact that it’s more of a railway junction than an early exit cause said exit has its own layers and outputs

The tail stays frozen tho

[stark needle]

im confused what this is supposed to do exactly

like

wym predict the turn

im confused

whats the purpose of this early exit

[mighty thorn]

<role>user<role>
<txt>blah blah<txt>

<role>assistant<role>
<txt>gleep glorp<txt>

The bold is the text it is generating

The identity of the next turn, before it is actually sent

[stark needle]

so like you want to speculatively find out when a person is about to talk?

im confused

no one lets their llm generate the role tokens

[true hemlock]

probably a case where it speculatively predicts whatever condition he implied with a separate set of transformers line converging back its inference to the model if condition were met?

im confused aswell

so im using a generalized term

[mighty thorn]

Because they are 100% predictable

The next message after an assistant turn will always either not exist or be a user turn

But if there are more than 2 roles

And you only want a response generated for 1 of them

[stark needle]

but i dont get it so like u want a LLM to simulate a conversation with many people?

[mighty thorn]

I want an LLM to participate in a conversation with multiple people and naturally respond without:
a - responding to every single message
b - having a random chance per message
c - only responding when pinged or replied to
d - simulating c using multiple model inference calls and tool uses

[true hemlock]

so you wanted the model to predict if the next message will be from another user

and you wanted the model to predict when it can start responding as in no one else is going to talk next

[mighty thorn]

I want the model to use the multi user group chats it will be trained on, and the natural turn taking dynamics learned from them, to choose when it talks as if it were just sitting on its keyboard reading chat and waiting

[stark needle]

ok but then dont train a llm, just use an external probabilistic but still deterministic system

this is just an inference harness problem

[mighty thorn]

Yes but group chats aren’t static

People randomly join servers

AFK in middle of convo

Etc

And multiple servers too

[true hemlock]

or you can just loop a normal llm with function calling and let it decide whether to respond or wait with some prompting

[stark needle]

true

[mighty thorn]

Yes, but this is more efficient
Plus asking an LLM to only speak when appropriate is like asking a toddler to only cry when they are scared

[true hemlock]

if you wanted the model to decide to focus on just specific person/convo at a time its doable with this aswell given enough prompting.

[stark needle]

grpo

just need a reward function

[vague sonnet]

looping?
drop LLMs, pick up SNNs :)

[true hemlock]

i wanna drop a copypasta

[stark needle]

drop the copypasta

[true hemlock]

but i'll need to predict if i'd get smitten by Zeppelin or not

[stark needle]

💀

[true hemlock]

with my secondary line of neuron propagation

[stark needle]

drop in my dms i wanna see it lmao

[mighty thorn]

When natively trained SNN beats the Turing test on the same hardware footprint then I’ll switch

[vague sonnet]

nah it will be cheaper

[stark needle]

keyword being "will"

[vague sonnet]

yeah bro I'm still waiting to get paid to get the new pc

[mighty thorn]

“SNN cheaper”
look inside
$50000 entry level biomorphic hardware that doesn’t exist for models that don’t exist

[vague sonnet]

sounds like you don't know how it works

but that's fine

[opaque sigil]

beautiful

[stark needle]

LMFAO

[mighty thorn]

Yeah well I could also just use OpenAI api for the entire project and run it off a raspberry pi but that’s no fun is it?

[stark needle]

use qwen 3.5 vram problem solved

qwen 3.5 uses basically no kv cache

[mighty thorn]

You are now known to be no fun

[stark needle]

bro

qwen 3.5 uses gated deltanet

for like 80% of layers

[mighty thorn]

Bro why try experiments and learning from doing them when you could just consume and settle for a worse option that isn’t yours

Ur so right

(this man has stock in Alibaba)

[stark needle]

are u planning to pretrain from scratch

[mighty thorn]

Finetuning pretrained text completion model on domain data then instruction tuning on custom chat format from scratch

[stark needle]

https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.5-9B-Base https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.5-4B-Base

problem solved (?)

[mighty thorn]

You know if you had an idea that you turned into a concept and made a prototype of and were really excited about, i wouldn’t be the one to go “erm actually this already exists but in a different less interesting way in conclusion stop being happy”, i would ask for details then give suggestions on potential modifications and/or applications you hadn’t thought of

[true hemlock]

welcome to the scientific fields

[stark needle]

isnt this literally a pretrained text completion model without instruction tuning tho?

with less kv cache usage

than a standard transformer

u can always modify it

[mighty thorn]

[true hemlock]

ya see

end user usecases aren't usually solved with complete architectural modifications

what you wanted to do was done many times by people using their own methods of calling the inference

shapes.inc bots are one example

plenty of other backend tricks

[mighty thorn]

I mean

I’m still gonna do it

Cause I think it’s cool

And also 6/8 tests are done now

[true hemlock]

im not stopping you, nor im trying to

its a cool experimentation

but im just conveying what shadow is trying to say

[mighty thorn]

I know

Thank you tho

Wasn’t mad at him or anything

[true hemlock]

i personally am not trying to downplay you. honestly i think its cool that you're thinking of your own ideas

[sage crag]

wrr

[mighty thorn]

This is why you are my favorite duck in all of Australia

[true hemlock]

clumsy experimentations is what shaped the scientific community after all, and no experimentation are non clumsy

[opaque wharf]

Immortal venerable is here

Bow down you guys

[sage crag]

i am no longer immortal or venerable

[opaque wharf]

Lop

Ying xor Ying is null

Null or lop, lop it is

[mighty thorn]

mortal venerable

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1327142377139343430/1486773213190029444/doc_2026-03-25_19-13-27.gif

[true hemlock]

nop

[tender river]

mortal unvenerable lop

[true hemlock]

i love spamming nop in my ASM

[opaque wharf]

My cats reaction to that information

He's eepy

Luckily I managed to move him before I held hostage

[opaque wharf]

Apparently 3 days worth of Nitro is worth 15 minutes of your attention span

[silent cloak]

whats different about it compared to normal pytorch

(which already makes it overly easy)

[kind fable]

nope, it's just worth a bit of javascript

but don't tell discord

[opaque wharf]

I'm calling John Discord right now

[kind fable]

noooo

[umbral wigeon]

🙏 🙏 🙏

🪣 🪣 🪣

[stark needle]

Its basically just like huggingface trl

U define a trainer

Then do .train()

Or similar

And u work with callbacks and provided loss functions and stuff

Instead of writing ur own torch training loop

And it handles parallelism and annoying accelerators like TPUs

[sage crag]

rendered in shadertoy

the compression is so bad

@tender river the

thing

[tender river]

[sage crag]

moire vs jpeg

jpeg win

i find it interesting how it appears to get linearly bigger, but its actually scaling exponentially

after the 13 seconds are up its already scaled 440000 times

[simple sky]

[true hemlock]

lemme try render it

[sage crag]

its realtime

vec3 hsv2rgb(vec3 c) {
    vec3 rgb = clamp(abs(mod(c.x*6.0 + vec3(0.0, 4.0, 2.0), 6.0) - 3.0) - 1.0, 0.0, 1.0);
    return c.z * mix(vec3(1.0), rgb, c.y);
}

void mainImage(out vec4 fragColor, in vec2 fragCoord) {
    vec2 uv = (fragCoord - 0.5*iResolution.xy) / iResolution.y;

    const vec2 p = vec2(0.75621304, 0.38042766);
    float s    = 2.0/exp(iTime+0.0);

    vec2 z = p + uv*s* 1.15;
    vec2 c = vec2(-0.8, 0.0);
    
    //vec2 z = vec2(0.0, 0.0);
    //vec2 c = p + uv*s* 1.15;

    const int maxIters = 43;

    const float phi = 0.6180339887498948;
    const float h   = 170.0 / 360.0;
    const float v   = 0.02;

    vec3 col = vec3(1.0);

    for (int i = 0; i < maxIters; ++i) {
        z = vec2(z.x*z.x - z.y*z.y, 2.0*z.x*z.y) + c;

        if (z.x*z.y > 1.0) {
            float t = float(i+1);
            float k = t/float(maxIters);

            col = hsv2rgb(vec3(
                h + v*phi*t,
                1.0 - 0.9*sqrt(k),
                pow(1.0 - sqrt(1.0-k), 0.6)
            ));
        }
    }

    fragColor = vec4(col, 1.0);
}

put that in shadertoy if you want to render it

swap the z and c stuff to switch between mandelbrot and julia

p is the centrepoint of the render and s is the scale

[olive sable]

needs some MSAA

[sage crag]

feel free to

add msaa

the

shader

is

right

there

[olive sable]

i

might

later

doing

unity

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1486507149780713503/happiey.gif

unity

wow

have fun

[olive sable]

i ownt

[kindred perch]

helu

[olive sable]

elo

[kindred perch]

sup sam

[olive sable]

hi

[opaque wharf]

hi sam

[frigid trail]

hallo

[opaque wharf]

I am now having NO²

[sage crag]

@tender river

[thorny marsh]

cool

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-goobmorming-cat-wake-up-wake-gif-677851412402957446

[thorny marsh]

Ars_Pat

petpetpet

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1495756232047329291.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=NekoCatPetting&lossless=true

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1486507149780713503/happiey.gif

[sage crag]

ye

[stark needle]

(ying xor ying) or lop

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1126496895246807123/1488042236993339483/6D972AD6C73A5B53D7A000B454B9E52A.gif

that me

[olive sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1327142377139343430/1486773213190029444/doc_2026-03-25_19-13-27.gif

[thorny marsh]

hows yall doin programming peeps

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

could be better

[mighty thorn]

“We asked a first grader what aliens sound like”

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-happy-easter-disaster-april-fools-day-fluffy-gif-11463156

i lop

[thorny marsh]

NeurosHug hugs for you all then

[mighty thorn]

I’m alive!

[sage crag]

1m view

[thorny marsh]

define "alive"

[silent cloak]

Thems are fighting words around here

[warped narwhal]

Opposite of dead

[mighty thorn]

Alright so think

Yeah it’s like that

[warped narwhal]

I think therefor I am argument

[sage crag]

i am argument

[silent cloak]

Internet users

[sage crag]

int main(int argc (<- me), char **argv (<- not me)) {
  return 0;
}

[opaque wharf]

int main(int a, char **b) {
  return 0;
}

[silent cloak]

What is this and why did u do it

[opaque wharf]

Is that still you?

[kind fable]

i prefer void main()

[sage crag]

only exists in

c89

or maybe c88

[kind fable]

nope always exist

[sage crag]

identifier different (NOT me)

[opaque wharf]

Alright so this is you?

int sum(int argc, int b) {
  return argc+b;
}

[silent cloak]

Keep in mind C allows up to 12 levels of pointers

int ************ptr

[sage crag]

c allows infinite levels of pointers

[opaque wharf]

This is just suggestion. Cast it

[sage crag]

look theyre right here:

void *p

[umbral wigeon]

https://youtu.be/MaFK5AXpXXw?si=_J3OvxIlv3tl6M6Y

[silent cloak]

ANSI C I mean

[kind fable]

technically you can have more

[sage crag]

one very specific linux 4 kernel

[opaque wharf]

void ptr is ansi c I think

[kind fable]

also no in ANSI C23 it's actually 275 level of pointers i think

[opaque wharf]

Or was that later addition?

[kind fable]

and it's a bottom

[tender river]

void *t

[sage crag]

hi t

[stray dragon]

hi konii

[true hemlock]

[tender river]

hi t

[opaque wharf]

Hi

int sum(int argc, int b) {
  return argc+b;
}

[sage crag]

i am int argc

[silent cloak]

3 star programmers are something else

[opaque wharf]

Not konii

[stray dragon]

hi chayleaf

[opaque wharf]

int sum(int argc, int b) {
  return argc+b;
}

[stray dragon]

oh my bad

[sage crag]

hi t

[stray dragon]

hi int argc

[sage crag]

hi t

[stray dragon]

hi int argc

[stray dragon]

hi int argc

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1486507149780713503/happiey.gif

[umbral wigeon]

-1

[silent cloak]

void * (*(*fp1)(int))[10];

This is truly an abomination

[kind fable]

nvm can't find the source and the ISO book is fucking paid

[silent cloak]

But ive seen it before

All the best C books are insanely overpriced

[umbral wigeon]

Can I run holyC in window or linux?

I'm wondering

[silent cloak]

No the OS would burn from its righteous power

[umbral wigeon]

It would be funny if HolyC works with gcc and modern build system

[silent cloak]

Ive always meant to actually look into how it works

[kind fable]

"open" standard paid book

[silent cloak]

I doubt its using LLVM

[kind fable]

wait C29 is awesome i'm gonna use that

Add the defer keyword and defer blocks and statements. This is similar to Go or Zig which both use defer for cleanup. Compilers like GCC and Clang have implemented this specification.
no more needing to use goto error pattern

[opaque sigil]

the drafts are publicly available at least

[silent cloak]

Are they actually going ahead with one of them finally?

[kind fable]

dam this is also amazing, scoped stuff like i can do in Java

For the if statement, add support for variable declaration, such as if (int err = xmit_ch('X')) log_err(err);, similar to how the for change was added in the C99 standard. The new variable can be used inside the scope of all branches of if, else, else if too. In C++, variable declaration has been allowed since the C++98 standard, further enhanced in the C++17 standard to allow for a second clause so the variable could be used within the condition itself, and C will use the later for C++ compatibility.

[opaque sigil]

iirc defer was supposed to make it into c23 originally?

[silent cloak]

Might be a nothing burger

People have been begging for a solution for decades and they usually shoot them down

[opaque wharf]

Classic design by committee

[silent cloak]

If they are actually going ahead and adding it then I'll listen

[kind fable]

daaam so cool

For statements that are iterations and for the switch statement, add naming via labels and transferring control through named break and continue (multi-level breaks). The syntax is the same as in Java.

[silent cloak]

And C#

[opaque sigil]

https://open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2895.htm idk if they changed anything since then

[kind fable]

C29 available in GCC 15

[silent cloak]

So its actually in the specifications?

[kind fable]

we don't talk about Macro$lop Java

[kind fable]

yes

[silent cloak]

L take

[opaque sigil]

oh right, it required lambdas

[kind fable]

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/C29_(C_standard_revision)

[opaque wharf]

Lambdas in C?

Ain't no way

[silent cloak]

Draft stage still

[opaque sigil]

https://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG14/www/docs/n3734.pdf

[silent cloak]

No promises

[kind fable]

already partially in compilers

[silent cloak]

They do that with draft features sometimes

[kind fable]

you can alr in C++ so soon™ in C

[silent cloak]

Doesn't mean it will be in the final

its like the half life 3 of systems languages

[opaque wharf]

This is design by committee we were talking about so yeah. If some asshat doesn't agree it could be removed

[silent cloak]

Sadly wouldn't be the first time

[opaque sigil]

time for another extension

[silent cloak]

C+-

[opaque sigil]

I should try this out though apparently it's in clang 22.1

[silent cloak]

C* (no memory safety)

[opaque wharf]

As if regular C has memory safety in the first place

[kind fable]

C is memory safe if the programmer program correctly

[silent cloak]

Reminds me of lambdas in some other languages

[opaque sigil]

surely you're not forced to use a whole block right

[kind fable]

i migth switch back to C from C++ just for defer
i only use C++ for the slightly bigger STD anyway

[umbral wigeon]

What modern C++ do you use

[kind fable]

C++23

[opaque wharf]

I wonder if wax seal can still be accepted for legal document

[umbral wigeon]

[warped narwhal]

in C* we remove the free() function

[umbral wigeon]

Rewrite it in rust

https://tenor.com/view/rust-rust-lang-ferris-programming-jarvis-gif-7441835028842397805

[obsidian mantle]

wtf is this
build stuck on this and nothing is happening

[amber fractal]

Needs VS to proceed

[obsidian mantle]

but its ...

vs's terminal

building through xmake is the same...

wtf

i guess its same thing

[kindred perch]

Jarvis write this in C

[amber fractal]

Jarvis, swap between C and Rust every 3 lines

[silent cloak]

still meaning to actually look into xmake

heard good things

[kindred perch]

Jarvis slap this guy

[olive sable]

Jarvis make a C compiler with rust, and use it to make a rust compiler in C

[kindred perch]

Jarvis make AGI and make humanity extinct

[amber fractal]

Proud to sacrifice myself to the machine god

[kindred perch]

Neurosama will be proud

[opaque wharf]

Meson exists

Unless you're really into LUA

[umbral wigeon]

I like xmake

It's made in china

And I like lua

[olive sable]

jarvis delete xmake

[opaque sigil]

xmake is nice but i remember when i tried converting one of my libraries from meson to xmake it ended up being quite messy because vendoring dependencies alongside patches is i guess not something they really want you to do

[umbral wigeon]

Lua is easy bro trust me you will like it

[kindred perch]

Jarvis hold my beer

[olive sable]

Ran out of ram

Pc froze

[opaque sigil]

open different tty and kill whatever uses it all

[opaque wharf]

That's impressive considering you have 64GB of it

[kindred perch]

Trust doesn't grow on trees haiyaa

[opaque wharf]

Or use REISUB

[mighty thorn]

What could he have possibly been doing

[opaque wharf]

But just the REI

[kindred perch]

She's cooked

[mighty thorn]

Has 256gb btw

[mighty thorn]

Jarvis, switch to a new language every line

[olive sable]

I dont

Its RMA

Im on 2x8 rn

[kindred perch]

Jarvis kill this peasant

[opaque wharf]

More info on REISUB
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key

[opaque wharf]

GB?

[olive sable]

16gb total ye

[opaque wharf]

In my defense, your message was once 2.8

[olive sable]

[umbral wigeon]

Xmake top 1 china build system

[mighty thorn]

bold words for someone with a leaf on theur name

[olive sable]

Who cares what country it came from?

[kindred perch]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-tony-stark-iron-man-meme-dank-memes-gif-8688445319860298090

[umbral wigeon]

Jarvis, blast

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-blaster-gif-26535218

[amber fractal]

Anti political bomb

[umbral wigeon]

It's 00:32 am

Let sleep

[olive sable]

For you

[olive sable]

Issue seems to be unity. Time to nuke

[kindred perch]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-jarvis-nuke-marvel-iron-man-gif-12042104779402153696

[opaque wharf]

Classic

[mighty thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-iron-man-meme-fast-tony-stark-gif-12224863604332582558

[sage crag]

"issue seems to be unity" is not a classic

a classic is some fine wine

"issue seems to be unity" is tap water

its everywhere

[kindred perch]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-mute-kid-tony-stark-tonyj712-gif-9902665096421158530

[olive sable]

[mighty thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-jarvis-tont-stark-jarvis-squirrel-gif-3250516855489368721

[olive sable]

Jarvis, delete your own existance im getting real tired of this meme

[opaque wharf]

Jarvis

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1460625588145623182/1461022490330398740/IMG_5095.gif

[mighty thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-more-alcohol-gif-17298111637455009108

[kindred perch]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-make-them-lesbian-jarvis-meme-jarvis-lesbian-gif-701705850964565100

[olive sable]

hmm
i wonder if my desktop support LRDIMM

then i can go from 16gb to 256gb

numlock

No, the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X does not support LRDIMM

[sage crag]

my desktop supports HRAM

[sage crag]

(human ram)

it does not work well

[olive sable]

i seent

[rough bloom]

ye

RDIMM

[reef ingot]

Day something of making my own game engine

Did nothing today

[rough bloom]

ECC UDIMM should work though

[sage crag]

i dont know if its my own fault or the computers fault

[wispy pike]

god imagine if Disney tries making a LLM and naming it Jarvis

it would be like Grok but so much worse

[opaque wharf]

Must be the wind fault

[sage crag]

or if its due to the brains i harvested?

highly contentious

[kindred perch]

Disney is broke bro

[mighty thorn]

[olive sable]

i specifically have 4x64gb of LRDIMM ECC

[wispy pike]

what part of "so much worse" do you not get? Jarvis will get funding from the worst elements of the AI backer space because it would have absolutely no fitler nor morals

[opaque wharf]

A shame that they make ECC "enterprise"

[rough bloom]

currently in server or just lying around?

[olive sable]

in server

[opaque wharf]

As John Linux famously said, he needs a machine with ECC

[rough bloom]

so you can't use it in your desktop anyway

4x64 is an interesting choice

8x32 or something would've been more reasonable

[olive sable]

its cuz at 64gb you can fill the cpu's whole cpaacity

[opaque wharf]

They probably have used the rest for other machine

[olive sable]

each cpu has 6 lanes and 12 rams lots, and supports up to 12*64gb of ram

[sage crag]

try 1x512

[rough bloom]

same applies to smaller DIMMs, just more of them

[sage crag]

lutel

pluu

[rough bloom]

[opaque wharf]

What I mean is the machine was probably got way more than 4×64 before being sold to sam

[rough bloom]

mabe

[olive sable]

mayhaps, i doubt it tho

[opaque wharf]

It's pretty common if the seller was a system builder

[olive sable]

it got marketed as 4x32, and when i opened it up itr was 4x64. so the guy didnt even know what he had

[opaque sigil]

i hate this language, tf you mean this took another couple years

[olive sable]

it business

but more like sales

and data

not hardware

[opaque wharf]

Forward declaration?

[opaque sigil]

no, having println without any arguments for just a newline

[sage crag]

let me introduce

println("");

[opaque wharf]

They look at arduino and think "yeah, that's good"

Speaking of, I can't believe how many deployed hardware is being run using arduino right now

The framework not the hardware

[opaque sigil]

my bad asking for too much abstraction, it won't happen again

[sage crag]

wait hang on ive got another one

print(line);

abstraction

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

#define line '\n'

feature added

[opaque wharf]

False

You can't do print("something"line);

Fix your define

[olive sable]

just dont print

[opaque wharf]

Correct. Printing waste paper

[olive sable]

printers suck

[opaque wharf]

Not by much on linux tho

I remember I made a printing shop system with membership card using raspi and nfc module

Good times when sbc are actually affordable and slim

[sage crag]

try running that and see what happens

i promise you it works

[opaque wharf]

Shouldn't it be both using "" for it to work?

[sage crag]

maybe

[opaque wharf]

I am on my bed rn

So can't check with c compiler

[sage crag]

im also on a bed and cannot check

[opaque wharf]

@olive sable

[olive sable]

no

unity

bwaawawawa

[opaque wharf]

@opaque sigil

[olive sable]

i am making player and camera controller

[sage crag]

@olive sable

[olive sable]

and its bad

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@olive sable

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hm?

[olive sable]

hi

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@olive sable

open godbolt

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you can't concatenate a string and a char

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r

whatever

bad language

[olive sable]

i dont have godot

or godbolt

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#define line "\n"

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that does work obviously

[sage crag]

godbolt is a website you stone

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Godbolt is website

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not in c++ without a space between tho

[olive sable]

what do i have to put into godbolt?

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it called Compiler Explorer

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https://en.cppreference.com/cpp/language/user_literal

[thorny marsh]

u gonna eep?

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godbolt is also cool
compiler explorer and decompiler explorer my beloved

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#include <cstdio>
#define line '\n'

int main() {
  println("bwaa"line);
  return 0;
}

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my new contribution to cstd (stolen) (partly) (from leaf)

#pragma base N
sets the base index for all code below it

i.e.
#pragma base 1
auto x = arr[1];
#pragma base 0
auto y = arr[0];

assert(x == y);

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no

i bedrot

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note in c '\n' is an int, but in cpp it's a char

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but actually im not bedrotting im sitting outside

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Use C++

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your code is broken

#include <print>
#define line '\n'

// needs -std=c++23
int main() {
  std::println("bwaa"line);
  return 0;
}

[thorny marsh]

silly

enjoy bedrotting Ars_Pat

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I NOT BEDROT

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println line

redundancy is good for runtime safety

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[thorny marsh]

yuh uh i shall force you to bedrot

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use gnu++23 it's better smh

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msvc

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Until you need to interop with other compiler

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other compiler

mostly

clang

which supports gnu++ versions

if you only care about the cstandard you cant use it though

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But does is support all the extensions?