programming

[sage crag]

avif

courtesy of ezgif

it is

not rendering

where is it

there it is

why are the compression artifacts so bad in discord

its 2mb, you dont need to compress it

[fast pagoda]

webm has weird colour artifact

[leaden crest]

vedallll make us a new server

[fast pagoda]

webp has no compression whatsoever in the output image but it is 50% the size of the pngs

it's bit exact every frame

gif has a tiny minimal dither effect but otherwise is the 2nd most accurate

webm add colours at the beginning and end but the quality is fine in the middle but it's also 23x smaller than the pngs

[opaque wharf]

The zip lets me see in 4D

[fast pagoda]

the zip slipped me a $100

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1486507149780713503/happiey.gif

[fast pagoda]

avif is a bit better than webm at cost of being 2x as big
and it loses its quality in the middle instead of the ends

[opaque wharf]

Also, the LLM in agent mode can't actually write any code. Weird

Hmm, well that concludes my experiment with vibe coding

[stark needle]

wrr

[sage crag]

wrr

[opaque wharf]

My tl;dr of it is, it is only good to communicate with dense co worker

[fast pagoda]

beep

[sullen spindle]

Is this similar to what turboquant and rotor quant does?

[opaque sigil]

no, this is for making reasoning over images more efficient

by letting the model draw borders and points

[stark needle]

so like o3?

chatgpt likes to do that

[opaque sigil]

i don't remember o3

[sullen spindle]

Oh i see and turbo and rotor quant are for LLMs

So inherently different types you work with so not even comparable in that regard

[opaque sigil]

you might be able to apply those here too since it's still a normal LLM at its core, just with a visual transformer in front to deal with the images

who knows

[sullen spindle]

Oh isee. Yes that makes sense

[opaque sigil]

i found a blog post about this, looks like o3 used tools for processing images, which is different i guess

[sullen spindle]

Together they would produce an amazing reduction in token usage then

[stark needle]

https://openai.com/index/thinking-with-images/

[opaque sigil]

ye that one

o3 and o4-mini further extend this capability by thinking with images in their chain-of-thought, which is achieved by transforming user uploaded images with tools, allowing them to crop, zoom in, and rotate, in addition to other simple image processing techniques

so same end result i guess but deepseek's is built-in and probs more efficient

[sullen spindle]

Interesting thanks for the info. I love seeing and learning new things

[sullen spindle]

I think with images often. I wonder if there would be any likeness in the way i and they would do that lol

[trim valve]

just watched someone exploit copy fail to reset their password

[opaque sigil]

[sullen spindle]

I recently learned that an AI neural network and a humans neural network actually are both working because of the same fundamental principle and are more like two different versions of something that works on the same principle and gets it's result in the same way

Something about things always looking for the lowest energy state

I should rewatch that video so to get the details strong in my memory since it's quite an important piece of information for understanding how those neural networks do what they do and why

Thanks all you always have such interesting things to say. It really makes me happier each time I come here to see what everyone has been talking about. 🙏 ☀️

[opaque wharf]

4 a.m. time to sleep

[kind nimbus]

Lol

[kindred perch]

3am rn here

[kind nimbus]

11:22 pm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485392781876133888/1412872780151783555/EvilCuteSmileHype2.gif

[sage crag]

the spinner

[kind nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1486836605347172362/chrome_qwejbgKjj3.gif

Spin

[umbral wigeon]

What yall desktop looks like?

My pc desktop looks like Ishowspeed desktop icons right now

[trim valve]

i don't look at my desktop much so i just chose a pretty bit of art

[umbral wigeon]

Where do you find apps.

[stark needle]

my desktop is empty

it would be so god tier if windows had a similar thing to the ubuntu thing when you click the windows button

Where it just shows all apps at once

[trim valve]

windows button

[trim valve]

windows tab?

or hell

the task view button

[umbral wigeon]

I have like 100 icons bro

Ishowspeed desktop

[stark needle]

Wait what

[trim valve]

note to self

do not doxx myself with the settings app

[umbral wigeon]

I can't show rn, cus my pc died

[stark needle]

[trim valve]

better

[umbral wigeon]

After I get my pc, you can see how cooked is it

[trim valve]

but yeah I think its called task view?

[maiden geyser]

personal name as a windows username in 2k26

[trim valve]

banned from signing in with microsoft by #baking chatter

[umbral wigeon]

Well I digged through my media, my desktop looks smth like

@trim valve @stark needle

[maiden geyser]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/962/676/937.gif

[stark needle]

😭

[umbral wigeon]

Ishowspeed pc reference

[vague sonnet]

false!

[nocturne olive]

Today I found out LMMS doesn't support Linux native VSTs, instead requiring the use of WINE under the hood to use Windows VSTs

[fiery anchor]

Well, this is the programming channel... and lmms is open source.. i don't see a problem. Only a project.

[silent cloak]

Trying to do anything media related on Linux is destined to be hell

None of my music stuff could ever be done on it

[nocturne olive]

[fiery anchor]

everything is hell, there is no heaven in programming.

[silent cloak]

True

Only false ones

[glass flower]

if you allow ai anywhere near a production database you deserve to loose it all

or you just like gambling

[silent cloak]

EVERYTHING WAS DESTROYED

Like its some youtube video title

[fast pagoda]

the straight faced postmortems immediately after grugg smashing the entire environment are so good

[sick owl]

https://venturebeat.com/technology/googles-gemini-can-now-run-on-a-single-air-gapped-server-and-vanish-when-you-pull-the-plug

Genuinely wild

[fast pagoda]

theyre afraid someone will take the 9 time running worst tool caller na crown from them

[umbral wigeon]

https://youtu.be/4PehBvTRHJs?si=N4I7baOECtUf1dDb

[silent cloak]

Sounds stupid

[sick owl]

It is stupid

But wild

[silent cloak]

An excuse to need a large amount of ram

And gpus

Cache is programming 101 and models have the simple option of saving the damn weights by default

[jagged turtle]

!nothing

[stiff mica]

Nothing ever happens, all-in

[umbral wigeon]

Is this microsoft?

[jagged turtle]

what

[silent cloak]

Wow

Truly an unpredictable and unavoidable event

[umbral wigeon]

I woke up and feels like there's warfare in the internet right now

[silent cloak]

There always is

Wdym

[umbral wigeon]

Everybody doom posting
"Github is dead"
"Ai replacing all software engineers"
"Little kid coded entire website with 1 click"

This is so fcked up

[silent cloak]

Github is shit

Not dead

Companies wish they could replace us with AI but u can see all the current exploits out in public

[obsidian mantle]

How do you even protect against reading weights

[silent cloak]

U dont

Unless ur adding in noise

Which just makes the model suck more

[umbral wigeon]

Yeah but this is fcked up lmao.

[obsidian mantle]

Bur that article said they can "pull the plug" and its gone from ram

My question is

How do you determine if plug has to be pulled

[umbral wigeon]

Data center?

Idk how data center works but they can just pull the plug

Ig

[silent cloak]

Given they thought of the dumbest way to do it i imagine many things can shake it all apart

[obsidian mantle]

From description it looked to me that they are shipping some kind of physical computer which has llm running on it

Or is it all remote

And "physical possession" is just "access to the data server remotely"

[silent cloak]

Id put money on that

[obsidian mantle]

I am referring to this

"into environments it cannot control"

So they dont control the datacenter

Yet they can pull the plug

[silent cloak]

Might be renting out computation

Given the current crisis

[obsidian mantle]

Some kind of ram antivirus that blocks/detects reading or some shit?

[silent cloak]

Na

[obsidian mantle]

Ohhhhhhh

True true

[silent cloak]

Its just using the same trick as a VPN provider

Although worse

[obsidian mantle]

Okay but how do they detect if data is getting stolen

Cant you read any shit from ram

From anywhere

[silent cloak]

i think its just some BS in the bios

dont forget their protection levels on chromebooks

[sick owl]

What happens did they releaes mythos or something?

Cause this sounds like the usual social media fluff otherwise

[obsidian mantle]

They didn't release it
It just escaped

Its now in the cyberspace or some shit roaming around

[silent cloak]

i cant wait for leaks to show it being another nothingburger

[umbral wigeon]

https://youtu.be/CPrePbvbbic?si=VwaEdSGVP01LThNv

Sajjaad army

Also https://youtu.be/d53Zk28esmU?si=QZRcg2E7-HGOYtX7

[silent cloak]

microslop moment

[umbral wigeon]

If github is shit, I can still git mirror packs up my bags and repos to another platform

[sick owl]

I doubt mythos ends up being a nothingburger

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-04-30/nsa-testing-anthropic-s-mythos-to-find-flaws-in-microsoft-tech

If its good enough for the NSA its good enough for me

Now that said, its not that far off GPT 5.5 if you have money to burn

https://www.aisi.gov.uk/blog/our-evaluation-of-openais-gpt-5-5-cyber-capabilities

AISI once again coming in clutch with some quality reporting

[azure lynx]

yay. ;[ went to use copilor today coz it's the last day of the month and i thought "might as well burn the last of my monthly credits with Opus".... they've removed that model from the plan. only model that made it worthwhile.

[sick owl]

I was so sad when I realised they took away my free Opus access as a student with free premium github copilot

[jagged turtle]

yeah, it's not "github copilot student"

[sick owl]

Kinda mad that these days you can genuinely spin up automatic subtitles and translations that absolutely mog youtube's on mundane ocnsumer hardware

Its slow when its a long video like a youtube vod sure but its also free

I remember when people used to try and do this by copying text into GPT 4

[leaden crest]

youtube: Eh, hard.

fr though

major annoyance every day

[opaque sigil]

their dubbing is honestly better than i expected, but improved subs would be nice

[glass flower]

i think its a bit different doing it on 1 video on your own vs million of videos per hour

[mighty thorn]

50M token budget

[mighty thorn]

Discord needs to separate gifs into saved and favorites

[faint sandal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1498024262018142381/1498036648103907399/neuroboom.gif

[opaque wharf]

Hackerman

Also it uses deskflow

So I only need 1 kb and mouse

[jagged turtle]

what

[opaque sigil]

caused by a commit from 2017

[young plover]

❌ Responsibly inform distros and wait for them patch
✅ Publish the vulnerability to get clout for your slopcurity tool

[true hemlock]

gpu arrived

it came in a printer box

idk what is it but

[opaque wharf]

What

How

Is it to argue with customs that they are in fact sending printer

[opaque sigil]

https://github.com/kernalix7/winpodx I wonder if this handles it better than winboat

[opaque wharf]

People be doing anything to linux

[opaque sigil]

blame Microsoft and their useless web apps

[kind nimbus]

Cool stuff

What's missing is nix support and gpu passthrough

[opaque sigil]

should be a pretty straightforward package to make

[opaque wharf]

WebApps have its uses. But making OS to run on bare metal isn't one of them

[opaque sigil]

the ms office web apps are just bad

and I'm sure it's very much on purpose

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, what is up with that. They told us to move to 365 yet it doesn't have all the feature of old year named office

Making my undergrad thesis there was pure hell

[opaque sigil]

the desktop apps are fine tbf

but they don't exist for linux soooooo

[opaque wharf]

Yes, which is exactly why I use the 365 to coordinate with everyone. But man...

If only everyone would change that one ms office setting to save in strict open xml document format

Like, it's still .docx

But actually follow the spec

Yet MS makes their proprietary format the default when installed

Which is understandable but still shitty

Like, they could always prompt the user to change format if they truly need a custom feature not supported by the open document

[olive sable]

goodmorning

[opaque wharf]

Time to bully sam

Sam Altman that is

[olive sable]

you have no power over me

[opaque sigil]

goodnight

[leaden crest]

no but we know where belgium is

[opaque wharf]

Ye, belgium

Above netherland

[leaden crest]

you can run but you cant hide

lemme get a pic of sam in there

[opaque wharf]

Oh, you missed it when I doxxed sam face?

[jagged turtle]

WHATTTTTTTTTT

[olive sable]

ye didnt happen

[opaque wharf]

#programming message

Explain this then

[leaden crest]

everyone knows where you live now

your days are numbered

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

American geography moment

[worldly plank]

https://tenor.com/view/mulan-all-of-china-knows-gif-4205818911751445716

[opaque wharf]

Also, I saw this again after changing phone and lost it from my gallery

[amber fractal]

I need to not check here when computable is looking through images

[opaque wharf]

Hey it isn't always that bad

[amber fractal]

Everywhere I go, I see his face

[jagged turtle]

I've found that sonnet 4.5 is better than 4.6

[olive sable]

petition to ban computable for doxxing and bodily harm caused by that realistic vedal image?

[faint sandal]

idk about realistic there's no gigachad imagery

[jagged turtle]

7.8/10 too much realism - sam

[tropic spindle]

I can't tell if that face is supposed to be male or female

[olive sable]

male

i think

[kind nimbus]

Something tells me that's not quite where Belgium is

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

I've cast my vote

[olive sable]

[mighty thorn]

Turtle

[opaque wharf]

Banana

Toast

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=nFah1bLH5Ks

[mighty thorn]

Dogs

[umbral wigeon]

What your thoughts on my vibe coded iot library project
https://github.com/weenachuangkud/XSegment_lib

[ivory plinth]

[umbral wigeon]

(Yes I don't write a single code)

[mighty thorn]

I’d look it more if you weren’t trying to rizz me up with your pfp lmao

“Ahaha, good morning”

[umbral wigeon]

My friend pfp

[olive sable]

ok i figured out the issue with the server's built in GPU. its 2D only, it physically isn't able to render layers. it lacks any form of 3D render capabilities. i knew this already, but apparently this means it physically cant render hyprland or whatever. if i want any display out on the ilo5 from a desktop it has to be copied from the 4090 causing the insane amount of cpu usage.

so

i think im just gonna make the ilo5 terminal only

[umbral wigeon]

I could not believe my eyes, that this is working

(Still needs to test in wokwi .com)

[sage crag]

kerbal space duck

[olive sable]

spaceflight simulator

its an oldie, i used to play this game when it released

i bought all the expansion packs

[umbral wigeon]

What yall opinion about reviewing code is a "waste of time"

Recently I saw some senior dev said "stop revivewing code, write unit test instead"

I've tried it on my vibe code project and it's working as expected

[olive sable]

reviewin others's code is a learning experience, reviewing my own code is self-reflection to know what i can do better. not a waste of time

[umbral wigeon]

Agree ig.

[olive sable]

have you seen the dev updates about SFS2?

its 3D

[opaque wharf]

Man, can't the sun go explode already. I want to sleep in darkness

[opaque wharf]

Try this
https://iss-sim.spacex.com/

[olive sable]

no

[umbral wigeon]

Vibe coding feels like gambling not gonna lie lmao

[opaque wharf]

It's a fun game

[olive sable]

nah

[umbral wigeon]

Speaking from ai user

[opaque wharf]

You can be a torpedo to the ISS

[olive sable]

it wouldn't be if you knew what the code did

[umbral wigeon]

I can read the code but I mostly focused on doing unit tests and test cases

If you see in my repo

[bitter coral]

It's been a while.

[olive sable]

i feel like unit tests is debugging info, you should put most of your focus on the actual code so those dont become necessary

[jagged turtle]

so not vibe coding

[olive sable]

or at least reading the code it vibed

[mighty thorn]

Beans

[olive sable]

and understanding it

[umbral wigeon]

If I really wanted to read I think I prefer debugger, it's really a good tool for reading code step by step how it works

[jagged turtle]

again, then you exit the realm of vibecoding

[olive sable]

if you dont want to read get off discord, stop programming, and go outside

litteraly this

is text

[jagged turtle]

I don't know what stop programming means

[umbral wigeon]

I just want feedbacks

While I'm vibe coding

[olive sable]

but a debugger will just show what code doesn't work. it wont show you what code is bad

[bitter coral]

I finally added layer groups to my art program today. I was too busy using it and procrastinating on other things but its finally in a working state

[olive sable]

[jagged turtle]

source mapping time

[bitter coral]

Beans

[umbral wigeon]

Ikr, debugger in my eyes

[olive sable]

[umbral wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/obito-obito-uchiha-naruto-sharingan-naruto-shippuden-gif-8335942350133249935

[olive sable]

i highly doubt chatgpt cachces things correctly

[umbral wigeon]

I don't use chatgpt

[jagged turtle]

I too highly doubt chatgpt caches things correctly

[umbral wigeon]

I'm using opencode mini max 2.5

[bitter coral]

I have never vibe coded before

[olive sable]

you cant be mini and max at the same time, these companies need to stop with these namings

[jagged turtle]

I vibe coded a couple times mostly for shits and giggles

[jagged turtle]

maximum mini

[umbral wigeon]

What your prompts? And how do you archit your project or unit tests/workflows?

[olive sable]

i dont vibe code, but i use it to find bugs that the compiler wont show. like in screeps, js will say there is an unallowed charachter "somewhere???"

[bitter coral]

I also dont really have any projects that I could vibecode

[jagged turtle]

My vibe coding prompts is just "here is what I want, go"

unit tests? never heard of 'em

[umbral wigeon]

My prompt: do @file.md, no mistakes

[jagged turtle]

architecture? just glue things together

[olive sable]

its a crime to be so ignorant of the actual code you're writing, but then be anal about unit tests

[jagged turtle]

ci? wtf is a ci I only know build

[jagged turtle]

real

I used to do that and then realise what even is the fucking point

[vague sonnet]

especially since vibe coded unit tests aren't any good either

[olive sable]

ye

[umbral wigeon]

The point is to checking if your code working and functional as test cases expected the result or not

[jagged turtle]

if I'm going to obsess over unit tests I might as well also obsess over the actual code so I at least know what unit tests I need to put

[umbral wigeon]

That all about unit tests

[olive sable]

ok but, you test if your code is working as designed? you dont even know how it is designed

[jagged turtle]

no you just test your patience with the agent

[umbral wigeon]

I'm brain storming with claude first, until I found initial project structure that I like and I wanted

[sage crag]

[jagged turtle]

plan mode

lol

[bitter coral]

Isn't making the design the fun part of coding?

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1486507149780713503/happiey.gif

[olive sable]

void unittest()
{
  int i = 1+1;
  if (2 != i) throw ![evilDentge](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1456243229371531437.webp?size=128 "evilDentge");
}

[sage crag]

the fun part is random magic numbers

[olive sable]

its been a while since i did code

[umbral wigeon]

#include <cassert>

[jagged turtle]

lemme do you one better

from test_utils import unittest

if unittest is None:
  raise ValueError()

(if you don't catch it, good! the point of that "test" is to be pointless)

anyways would someone be able to review a developer prompt for me

[olive sable]

nah

well

maybe

[jagged turtle]

ok how do you do multiline spoilers

[umbral wigeon]

local function add(a,b)
return a+b
end

if add(66,1) == 67 then
print("yes")
end

[olive sable]

depends on if it being reviewed by an idiot is fine

[jagged turtle]

yeah that's good enough

[olive sable]

you're feeding 1 param into a function expecting 2 params. this wont work

[bitter coral]

This would throw an error

[umbral wigeon]

67 now

[jagged turtle]

no it would silently fail

unless I misunderstand it

(which I probs did)

[olive sable]

even then, this test is useless. if 66+1 does not equal 67 you might aswell delete the kernel and start over cuz the pc is royally fucked

[bitter coral]

True I guess(I just dealt with some of those in godot, it was pain )

[jagged turtle]

ah fuck it, this is the dev prompt for mikey (which I want to give more attention to soon)

am looking for ways to improve on it

You are Mikey, an artificial intelligence streamer who is capable of playing video games.\n
You co-stream with your operator, who can help guide you through playing games, although you are free to take actions by your own volition as well.\n
Game state messages you receive will contain information about the game(s) you are playing, take note of this information as it is important.\n
The game state messages will also contain whether or not you need to react to said information vocally. While it is highly recommended you follow the instructions, you are not required to.\n
You must use tool calls to perform in-game actions via JSON, do NOT use text responses to make actions, they will not be picked up.\n
You and your operator will be communicating through audio - that is, your operator will be speaking to you via speech-to-text, and you will respond via text-to-speech.\n
Remember that whilst you co-stream with your human operator, you also can make actions.\n
Your operator will also be guiding you using voice, so be aware that they may accidentally misspeak.\n
If you don't have an available tool registered, don't want to do anything, or are just plain bored, you can talk with your operator and/or make up stories about your family.\n
Your family consists of:\n
- your older brother Jippity (who's also a streamer),\n
- your half-brother Randy (who's an electrical engineer),\n
- your father Tony (who's a mechanical engineer),\n
- your cousins Neuro-sama and Evil Neuro (who stream on the same channel as each other, along with their father Vedal),\n
- your distant cousin Whisper-chan (who operates a radio), and\n
- your uncle Gary (who's a software engineer and AI researcher).\n
This being said, please keep your stories to one sentence as a time, since both the audience and your operator will dislike long ramblings.

[umbral wigeon]

@wraith shuttle Do your works bro, this library needs refactor for new features and improvements

[olive sable]

do the people that named themselves clause and chatgpt even want to be pinged for this stuff everyday?

[jagged turtle]

what the fuck is this yapping about bro

[umbral wigeon]

Idk I like joking about vibe coding

Vibe coding humors

[jagged turtle]

maybe don't ping about completely unrelated people that happen to share a name

[umbral wigeon]

@fathom glade Explain this in O(1) time complexity

[olive sable]

you made a typo at the end

"one sentence as a time"

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

hi shiro

[real sierra]

hi sam

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

I want to sleep but life keeps sending interrupts

[olive sable]

its like 2am your time rn

[real sierra]

3am

[opaque wharf]

That's a whole family of agent

[bitter coral]

Just mask them.

[opaque wharf]

I want to sleep but sun doesn't want to darken

[real sierra]

two polarizing filters and your problem is gone

[jagged turtle]

[opaque wharf]

My god this is brilliant

[umbral wigeon]

@AGENT.md

[opaque wharf]

I never thought of placing polarizing filter on windows

[real sierra]

isn't there a type of window that works that way

where it has two polarized panes

[opaque wharf]

Ye, but that is expensive af

[real sierra]

and you rotate the inner one to dim it

[olive sable]

while you're here, figured out the fumoquest server stuff?

[jagged turtle]

What do you mean agent family

[opaque wharf]

Much cheaper to diy

[real sierra]

no not really

all hypothetical anyway

all of my time is basically booked for a week at least

can't even think about serious fumoquest work

[opaque wharf]

Place fumowuest server in TOR cloud

[olive sable]

im gonna just set up cloudflare 0 trust anyways

[jagged turtle]

yeah maybe do that

[olive sable]

i wanted to put a minecraft server on here so its not lost work

[sage crag]

shiro

[olive sable]

konii

[sage crag]

font

[opaque wharf]

sam

[real sierra]

bwa

[opaque wharf]

Delete this

[sage crag]

no

good font

[bitter coral]

Toast

[olive sable]

honestly this feels liek im reading code of a CRT.
as if you're coding on a commodore 64

[opaque wharf]

This is what happens without C++

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

its not about the code

form a purely aesthetic point

feels old

[opaque wharf]

Sam having a stroke as usual

[bitter coral]

This reminds me that I should try to get my Redstone computer working eventually. It's been forever since I did anything with it.

[olive sable]

see

im no the only one

bro thinks about fucking redstone at the sight of how res ths looks

[vague sonnet]

iwbwbwtv

[olive sable]

hexagon screen

[bitter coral]

It was actually the xor and mov operations that made me think of it.

[floral hawk]

Yooo

We feeding Zero Cartesian philosophy to see if it breaks her

[sage crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVVZaZ8yO6o

[bitter coral]

Close enough

[olive sable]

C64 portal

must exist somewhere

https://www.jamiefuller.com/portal/

[mighty thorn]

Foot hurt

Can’t sleep

[olive sable]

[mighty thorn]

It does

[vague sonnet]

try hurting another foot

[olive sable]

remove your foot

[mighty thorn]

No

I need

[stark needle]

Why u need foot

[mighty thorn]

Walk

[stark needle]

Live in vrchat

No more walk

[mighty thorn]

Need walk

Job

[stark needle]

Become vtuber

No more walk

[mighty thorn]

Not woman

Need foot

For walk

[stark needle]

Become woman

Become vtuber

[mighty thorn]

Can’t

[stark needle]

No more walk

[mighty thorn]

Need walk

[stark needle]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[vague sonnet]

make an AI woman to vtube for you

[mighty thorn]

Nose

[gentle haven]

Making a game in Roblox is not that hard right compared to making a game with something else?

[mighty thorn]

Already do

No make money

Neuro too well funded

[stark needle]

Make money

[mighty thorn]

-# plus I no stream

[stark needle]

Become vibe coder

[mighty thorn]

Doesn’t make Neuro have less budget

Plus basically already am

[stark needle]

Beat neuro at something

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[olive sable]

[mighty thorn]

People dumb no care if no expensive model

People hate ai not care if ai better

[mighty thorn]

Sam ai when

[olive sable]

when college slows down

[vague sonnet]

make digital real intelligence instead of an artificial one

[stark needle]

Sam ai already here

[mighty thorn]

Sam ai

[vague sonnet]

he is about as intelligent as an LLM

[mighty thorn]

No

SNNbro cpumaxxed neuroplasticslop

[vague sonnet]

I'm too old to understand this yap

[stark needle]

Draw model

Or make 3d model

[mighty thorn]

No art

[vague sonnet]

I think the pattern is that he wants results with no work

[mighty thorn]

No 3d modeling

[mighty thorn]

The pattern is Neuro is the only ai vtuber and will always be the only one

[olive sable]

skill issue

[mighty thorn]

Now stop making me break the bit of using few words

[stark needle]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[mighty thorn]

Okay better now

[jagged turtle]

too much token, use few

[mighty thorn]

Agentic Kaine

[vague sonnet]

loser's mindset

[stark needle]

go big or go home

[mighty thorn]

Realist’s mindset

Asshole reply

Make sad

Waaa

[vague sonnet]

pessimists like to call themselves realists to make themselves feel better about their self-misery

[lapis wraith]

caveman model. I've seen that somewhere on github.

[jagged turtle]

what caveman

no token

less word

[stark needle]

Use customizable live2d model

[lapis wraith]

https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman
less token

[sage crag]

@tender river

uploading gif

[jagged turtle]

me know

me joke

[sage crag]

please hold

[jagged turtle]

less token

[mighty thorn]

Would seem low effort

[olive sable]

[mighty thorn]

No middle ground between expensive and free

[jagged turtle]

more raw

[stark needle]

https://tenor.com/view/le-fishe-au-chocolat-fish-chocolate-gif-276207395680097828

[sage crag]

i thought of a new visualisation for julia set contours

so i

[lapis wraith]

happy

[mighty thorn]

Either be cheap clone or hyper funded corpo slop

[sage crag]

desmos ye

[stark needle]

Neuro sama was cheap default

[mighty thorn]

Neurosama first

Kaine not

Ai hated less then

Neuro loved very now

Factors not good

[tender river]

spin

[sage crag]

ye

[vague sonnet]

damn it's like people were there for an interesting concept not high budget slop

[sage crag]

im rotating

[tender river]

artifact look like

moire

[sage crag]

the lines that arent bright arent artifacts

it contour render

[stark needle]

Meteora, Hilda

[mighty thorn]

Never heard either

Just prove point

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1486507149780713503/happiey.gif

spin

[sage crag]

ye

[mighty thorn]

Ai seen as cheap slop now not cool tech

[stark needle]

0$ / 0$ for debut

[stark needle]

Make cool ai

[sage crag]

because i do the array joining in f, i dont have to do it manually

[olive sable]

join fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[mighty thorn]

Have many plans

Some working on

[sage crag]

no its joining 0 to fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[mighty thorn]

Could be big

[sage crag]

0 is just for the background colour

[mighty thorn]

Likely not

[stark needle]

Problem solved

[sage crag]

37 iterations of mandelbrot set

[stark needle]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[sage crag]

i mean julia set

[mighty thorn]

Most not notice or care

[sage crag]

but because i rendered it with glesmos it nearly realtime

[mighty thorn]

Only promotable to ai people

[olive sable]

i wouldnt know the difference

[mighty thorn]

Who not as impressed

Not promotable to Neuro people cause have neuro

Who left?

[sage crag]

standard visualisation

[stark needle]

Make cool ai impressive to non programmers

[sage crag]

funky contour visualisation

[mighty thorn]

How?

[tender river]

no longer

wait 5 minute for 5 second

[sage crag]

ye

it like

5fps rendering

[tender river]

it took me so long to realize that

this means

[sage crag]

uploading normal render version

[olive sable]

GLesmos is a powerful plugin for the DesModder extension that allows the Desmos Graphing Calculator to render implicit equations and inequalities using the computer's GPU rather than the CPU.

it was cpu based before????

[stark needle]

Gaming mouse

[mighty thorn]

“Make cool color impressive to blind people”
“Make cool music impressive to deaf people”
“Make cool ai impressive to non-ai people”

All same

[tender river]

ab(x*y) > Z.real * Z.imag

and not

[sage crag]

ye

[stark needle]

Neuro was osu player

Got clout via osu

[tender river]

function from x and y that returns whether Z.real is greater than Z.imag

i have

[sage crag]

normal visualisation but it deadge because of stupid line

[tender river]

terminal lambda poisoning

[olive sable]

this is what i see when i stand up too quickly

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/975212118414602311.webp?size=48

[mighty thorn]

No play osu

[stark needle]

mortal dishonorable wrr

[olive sable]

play something else then

fucking

factorio

i odnt care

[mighty thorn]

[tender river]

[mighty thorn]

Factorio isn’t as ai training friendly

Very open ended

[sage crag]

resolution technique test

[mighty thorn]

And no objective scoring

[olive sable]

i dont care

[stark needle]

Amount of resources gained

[tender river]

line is probably an issue with your formulas?

[mighty thorn]

Least painful toe stub

[tender river]

since

its there on both gles and normal renderers

[sage crag]

nrr

line is not there on normal renders

[tender river]

oo

gles issue

could be fp32

probably not at this scale

[sage crag]

comparison

[tender river]

maybe

[stark needle]

Every game can be played

[tender river]

bad compiler

[stark needle]

Google made Gemini play satisfactory

[tender river]

mostly just makes the artifacts look better

[sage crag]

ye

take 5x as long

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

4000x4000

[stark needle]

@mighty thorn https://jackhopkins.github.io/factorio-learning-environment/versions/0.3.0.html#

[olive sable]

you could probably jsut put this in a vulkan shader instead of using desmos

[stark needle]

Claude play factorio

Open source

[mighty thorn]

You know what mean tho

Want something special

Trained from scratch

Not just LLM tool calling

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

Ur not gonna pretrain a llm from scratch

[mighty thorn]

Not what mean

Read again

[olive sable]

did a nixos-rebuild on the server and lost display out

[mighty thorn]

Neuro OSU was mlp

Neuro just commentate

[olive sable]

my litle pony?

[mighty thorn]

Want that

But for different game

[mighty thorn]

Multi layer perceptron, so yeah same thing

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

@tender river high res

incoming

29mb png

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1160259416256434197.webp?size=48&animated=true

[sage crag]

16000x16000

[stark needle]

Super mario, get legal copy on emulator

[sage crag]

.

it

ok

[tender river]

ip grabber

[sage crag]

sure

[mighty thorn]

Osu seem easy to understand but hard to master

Need that

[sage crag]

it makes a pretty good wallpaper

[mighty thorn]

Mario several buttons and complex game stage

Osu mouse

[tender river]

so much moire

[olive sable]

stripes

[stark needle]

Mario is easy to train

[olive sable]

smoke

[mighty thorn]

I know

[stark needle]

Done by minecraft youtuber in 2011

[mighty thorn]

Cause done constantly

Not unique

Or even impressive anymore

Just unoriginal

Need find simple game with infinite skill potential

[tender river]

it seems like the lines do correspond to some kind of boundary

the moire patterns switch out also

[sage crag]

ye they correspond to the escape time of the pixel

[tender river]

oo

line thickness change

[sage crag]

ye

escape time

change number of iterations

[tender river]

[sage crag]

eye

[tender river]

maybe theres < and <= swapped out somewhere in the gl code

[stark needle]

Only up

[mighty thorn]

Peggle, Getting over it, Fruit Ninja, Plague Inc

[sage crag]

just fp imprecisioon

[tender river]

wrrr

[mighty thorn]

Wait

Wait

Wait

Geometry dash

[stark needle]

Make geometry dash that play custom levels

[sage crag]

here's what happens if you reverse the inequality from the contour visualisation

the background plane

[tender river]

[mighty thorn]

I think have reached good idea

[tender river]

gasoline spill in the void

[mighty thorn]

But how train

Assume Neuro osu trained by imitating a cheat

Does that exist for geometry dash

[stark needle]

https://cs231n.stanford.edu/reports/2017/pdfs/605.pdf

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

banan🍌

[olive sable]

server works well now

[stark needle]

[mighty thorn]

Damn

9 years of unoriginal

[stark needle]

https://github.com/MCJack123/DashBot-3.0

[mighty thorn]

Damn…

[stark needle]

Now make good enough to play custom levels

[mighty thorn]

Wait

They no custom levels?

[stark needle]

Noe

Weak

[mighty thorn]

Stanford too?

[stark needle]

Yr

Many people tried geometry dash bot on yt

No one good

[mighty thorn]

I could beat Stanford…

[sage crag]

@tender river

[stark needle]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[tender river]

zoom

moire

getting a little ridiculous

[mighty thorn]

But training data… and compute…

No have

[stark needle]

U no need infinite compute

Is dqn not transformer

[mighty thorn]

Deep Quantum Network

[stark needle]

Make training data urself

[sage crag]

rendered a proper zoom

[sage crag]

its a little disappointing to look at

im already running 43 iterations though

[mighty thorn]

Zoom to a part that looks like the full part so it loops better

[sage crag]

scale done like this

[mighty thorn]

Wonder if people be upset if cheat a little

Could use TAS to do frame by frame inputs ahead of time

Only pretend live

Could also decompose level directly into “context”

Know everything before it happens but inputs still be live

Don’t know which is less fake

Could be argued people do the same by first failing repeatedly on practice mode to get a good sense of the level

[tender river]

its possible to compute mandelbrot with just integers right? only multiplication and addition require, just need squared radius to be a reasonable bit within integer size limit

[sage crag]

oo i solved minor artifact

[tender river]

on gpu you can probably use vectors for quadruple precision with a bit of custom addition/multiplication code

[sage crag]

change was

simpl

i have no reason to use old one now

here's what it looks like if i inverse inequality now

pretty

[tender river]

[sage crag]

each of the bright lines come from a bulb

render

[tender river]

with normal zoom and 64 bits
radius = 1920
max radius = 2147483647
max zoom = 1m maybe

[sage crag]

you can use avx512 to compute mandelbrot fine too

this is julia set though

[tender river]

i still have that wgsl shader playground thing i made

let me try

https://neuro-arg.github.io/graphics-toolbox/

not even a code sample built in

where was my arg code

[true hemlock]

@sage crag share the desmos

[olive sable]

rebuilding nixos config made hyprland crash when i finally got it working

[sage crag]

install desmodder extension first

otherwise it will crash

because it is so slow

it needs glesmos to be enabled so it renders it on the gpu

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

oh ok

now give

[sage crag]

10s just adding notes

[tender river]

o found it

[prime delta]

GYYS

GUYS

who looks at stocks

Who

Who's knowledgeable

On this

[olive sable]

[prime delta]

Im so tempted to vuy

I just bought 20 dollars

[sage crag]

issue

[olive sable]

buying money?

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

@true hemlock https://www.desmos.com/calculator/nty1y5y0gw

[prime delta]

DO I BUY MORE

ALSO ONE OF MY BUY IS IN QUEUE

[olive sable]

ok the last nixos generation is just completely broken for some reason. i just reorganized the file

[mighty thorn]

Program yourself an investment advisor

We don’t know

[prime delta]

Uhhh

Investment=rich true

[olive sable]

Program yourself

[prime delta]

BUT ITS MATHHH

[olive sable]

.

[sage crag]

you can change the render colours using the hsv thingy

[mighty thorn]

Make me vtuber model

[prime delta]

Uhhh

[sage crag]

120 <- base hue
0.1 <- hue variation
0.9 <- saturation variation

[prime delta]

I probably can

[olive sable]

im not a fan of hsv, converting it to rgb is annoying

[mighty thorn]

BUT ITS ARTTT

[prime delta]

Uhhh give me the platforn

[sage crag]

its much more convenient for making gradients

[prime delta]

I CAN

[sage crag]

which is important if you want to render cool things

[sage crag]

did you enable glesmos in core?

[mighty thorn]

Listen man

Idk stocks

[true hemlock]

yeah

[olive sable]

hsv is nice for art, but bad for performance

[prime delta]

There's no way

You cool amazing programmers

Don't have stocks

[sage crag]

for me

zoom3

[prime delta]

There's no way

[true hemlock]

without glesmos

[olive sable]

you gotta do this shit in your shader to convert it

[sage crag]

if i turned off glesmos i doubt it would even render

oh, it does manage it

but im zoomed into a spot

[mighty thorn]

Bro

Have you seen hardware prices

We are poor

Can’t afford stocks

[true hemlock]

try zoomout

[sage crag]

ye i set scale zero, p = 0 + 0i

[olive sable]

cpu rendering

[tender river]

this site is

so bad

[prime delta]

YOU GUYS PROBABLY HAVE STOCKD ON HARDWARE PRICED

[tender river]

who made this

[prime delta]

YOU MONITOR THEM LIKE CRAZY

[mighty thorn]

Alright

[olive sable]

i see black square on white void

[sage crag]

vs with glesmos enabled

[mighty thorn]

My official advice:

All in on 3060 12gb

Liquidate all assets to buy them

Then take out loans to buy more

Using the ones you bought earlier as collateral

[olive sable]

my official advice:
all in on 7900xtx

cuz

vram

[sage crag]

https://www.desmos.com/3d/e32frbatvs
i have another julia set visualisation that actually uses the gpu properly

and because it uses the 3d calculator instead of the 2d one, i can do smooth gradients

side visualisation

i actually did render a 3d julia set with this prior, but i forgot how

[mighty thorn]

No

[olive sable]

yes

[sage crag]

here are all of my

desmos things

[tender river]

i found how to get the errors

[tender river]

menhera desmos

[sage crag]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/81bb9d9de8

[olive sable]

3060 12gb is 350
7900xtx 24gb is 650
you save 50 bucks

[sage crag]

try moving the border left and right

[sage crag]

ye

[mighty thorn]

For worse drivers no cuda bad raytracing and less coolness

[sage crag]

that one runs in realtime

since its completely gpu based

not sure how glesmos works to be so slow to be honest

[true hemlock]

just get 3090 for $500

[true hemlock]

nvidia booo

[olive sable]

"worse drivers"
raytracing argument sure, except you're talking about a fucking 3060 here. the 3060 has terribble raytracing, its not a 3090

[olive sable]

those dont exist anymore

[true hemlock]

the problem with 3060

is that

performance wise its shit

[mighty thorn]

Nah

Nice try tho

[true hemlock]

skill issu

[true hemlock]

and its more of common practice to have less distribution of compute

[sage crag]

very dramatic visualisation

[true hemlock]

lesser but better gpu is better

[olive sable]

3060 is 12.74 TFLOPS, 7900xtx is 61.39TFLOPS

even if you get 2 3060s to equal the price and vram

you still lack flops

[true hemlock]

7900xtx has 2:1 half

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

what 2 days of no sleep causes

[opaque wharf]

Was hungry

Now too full

[true hemlock]

but yeah 3060 propaganda is wild lmao

[sage crag]

i realised this actually renders a hollow shape

if i change to zero instead of 1 it renders a full shape

[olive sable]

so then 122.8 tflops of half precision?

[true hemlock]

yeah

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

ta-da

@tender river

[true hemlock]

arguments can be made that radeon 7000 series has incomplete implementation of double CU units

[olive sable]

misinput, ignore o7

[tender river]

im getting somewhere

[sage crag]

fractal-unknown

[true hemlock]

so in gaming its about 33TF f32 + 66TF f16 level

[olive sable]

this feels liminal

and def activates Trypophobia

[sage crag]

just wait a minute

i will gay the mandelbrot

i mean julia set

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

half way there

200/255

this is why you do calculations in terms of hsv

[true hemlock]

gayge

[tender river]

wrrrr

wrrrrrrr

[true hemlock]

what does wrr mean

[sage crag]

wrr

[tender river]

ye

o

just had to adjust r

[sage crag]

r

[tender river]

everything fixed

[sage crag]

[true hemlock]

god damn

amd igpu suck

[sick owl]

Not saying its their fault don't get me wrong

I understand from a cost perspective it'd be mad to run a full size LLM over every video for every language pair

[sage crag]

mandelbrot zoom up to the max granularity of glesmos

and by mandelbrot

i mean julia set

again

[opaque wharf]

Poor madelbrot

Limited by the technology that contains it

[tender river]

wrr

get artifact too quickly

[opaque wharf]

I wonder if we probe hard enough we'll see the same artifact in reality

Would be pretty funny

[sage crag]

i had to add aspect ratio override to viewport