featureset explosion is irrelevent to 99% of devs anyways
#programming
olive sable
the compiler does most of the work
x86 has survived decades of of microarchitecture changes, vendor differences, and SIMD exstensions
arm having extensions just like x86 is a non-issue
since when can you eject sata hard drives?
opaque wharf
since when can you eject sata hard drives?
Connected via sata? That's news to me
Its really doesn't make much of a difference tbh. No one make powerful ARM because there was no market for it (until apple came), and no one makes energy efficient x86 also because no one wanted it (before gaming handheld that is)
true hemlock
sam didn't read my rants 
young plover
Different frontends which work more-or-less the same under the hood.
x86 just has to deal with variable length decoding and more accumulated features. ARM is catching up in the feature department.
true hemlock
where?
i did rant about how "arm is more efficient" being a really huge misconception, many times
true hemlock
x86 just has to deal with variable length decoding and more accumulated features...
this encoding sometimes help with instruction density
olive sable
its dependant on workload type, implementation, and some other stuff sure
but iirc arm is more efficient than x86 most of the time
true hemlock
but at the same time you have so much combinations of instructions its somewhat more complicated to code it
true hemlock
but iirc arm is more efficient than x86 most of the time
clock gating is why
opaque wharf
but iirc arm is more efficient than x86 most of the time
Again, that's because no one wanted the other side until recently
true hemlock
- demands
true hemlock
Again, that's because no one wanted the other side until recently
^
sam have you seen my i9 13900 clock gated to 0.9w
opaque wharf
Apple going ARM and handheld needing x86 for efficient gaming is what opens the market
true hemlock
no m chip has ever hit that numbers.
like im not kidding
the only reason why apple's stuff has better battery life is because they also clock gated a lot of the system not just the chip
vrm distribution and gating aswell
opaque wharf
I hate both equally for different reasons tho. That reason being license
true hemlock
the only reason why apple's stuff has better battery life is because they also c...
i'd have to emphasize that macbooks get really good battery life not because of the chip itself
tropic spindle
That's a single instruction
true hemlock
the only reason stopping me from making my briefcase last for weeks with the 0.9W chip draw
is because the board
tropic spindle
There's a handful of x86 features like that
true hemlock
still drawing about 9w
tropic spindle
ARM has thousands
olive sable
so what you're saying is that it isnt the architecture's fault, but the fault of the people designing the chip. but when it comes to actually buing shit ARM is still more effiicient without needing to do shit in the bios to change power settings
opaque wharf
<:hmm:1303107376295186524> so what you're saying is that it isnt the architectur...
More or less
opaque wharf
Also not designing the chip but the ecosystem surrounding it
true hemlock
<:hmm:1303107376295186524> so what you're saying is that it isnt the architectur...
apple built their ecosystem well enough to basically defaults to pretty hard clock gating + the system power states
mighty thorn
Quack
olive sable
it
mighty thorn
Apparently there is a secret GPU on eBay rn
true hemlock
intel never tried properly tuning theirs
for the sake of having good responsiveness
because they didn't built the ecosystem around
mighty thorn
RTX 2080 Ti Super prototype
true hemlock
Apparently there is a secret GPU on eBay rn
what is it
true hemlock
RTX 2080 Ti Super prototype
oh
opaque wharf
How tf did you guys managed to find those kind of listing
olive sable
ebay go brrr
opaque wharf
Like are you just actively search for "prototype" on the keyword
olive sable
there's a reason i find hardware this cheaply. i scour the webs daily
256gb of ram and a 4090 for 1.850 euro isnt for lack of trying to find hardware
mighty thorn
oh
I don’t have the exact link but it’s very recent
You could get it if you try
I know that’s your thing
olive sable
he probably already has a 2080 super prototype 
true hemlock
okay its not a 2080Ti super
its just a 2080Ti with TU102-350-A1 bin
yeah, its a prototype
12gb vram
mighty thorn
-# I like to imagine he just picked up his phone, pressed on “GPU guy”, said “2080ti super”, and got this information almost instantly
olive sable
no thats vram
tropic spindle
KILL HIM AND BURN HIS FAMILY
olive sable
i have ram
256gb 
with another 64 on the way
counting my shitty ram is another 32gb
true hemlock
768gb on the way
tropic spindle
256gb <:neuro3:1087521476070080592>
gib
olive sable
1.6K
tropic spindle
I can easily give you 1.6 Kelvin
mighty thorn
I can easily give you 1.6 Kelvin
Idk about that
Supercooling is expensive
Better just use money
true hemlock
256gb of ram and a 4090 for 1.850 euro isnt for lack of trying to find hardware
@mighty thorn be jealous of this man instead. he actually beat me to it
olive sable
these thingies.
the server has 24 slots so if im willing to invest into getting more of these i can go up to 1.5TB
tropic spindle
Supercooling is expensive
Yes but le efficiency
olive sable
its ecc 
mighty thorn
Noted
olive sable
these thingies.
the server has 24 slots so if im willing to invest into getting ...
amazon puts them at 322.25 euro per stick
so 1289
olive sable
nope, im not upto date on apple stuff
true hemlock
can't cheat full gate + stacked copper line's ability in saturating current.
best way to get the most battery life is literally just
clock gating
also battery life are usually measured with video playback and stuff
olive sable
is clock gating architecture thing or can you activate it in software?
cuz then you could just do clock gating on battery and full throttle when plugged in
opaque wharf
is clock gating architecture thing or can you activate it in software?
Hardware stuff
But also needs driver support
So if the driver does not give the interface, you're SoL
true hemlock
video decoding is cheap when you have the built in asic
olive sable
true hemlock
is clock gating architecture thing or can you activate it in software?
no, but you might able to in bios
c states
but amd's is shit
especially the io die
i can never get it to draw lower than 20W
but i can easily do sub 2W on intel
olive sable
He’s made god bleed
it only took 1850 euro for a HPE dl380 gen 10 with 2x Intel Xeon Gold 6138, 2133mhz 4x64 256GB of ram, hardware raid 1 2x Samsung PM9A3 480GB, software raid (1?) 2x XS960SE70084 960GB SAS drives, and an RTX 4090
true hemlock
though and's core die has decent clock gating
mighty thorn
it only took 1850 euro for a HPE dl380 gen 10 with 2x Intel Xeon Gold 6138, 2133...
Literally this
true hemlock
(i actually bashed my head when sam flexed it)
mighty thorn
(i actually bashed my head when sam flexed it)
Did you say the line aloud while looking at Robert Downey Junior?
olive sable
its 6K worth of server hardware for those that cant be bothered to search up pricing
the fucking PCIE risers for this thing are 400 each, actual highway robbery
i undercut the asking price by 150, and i scammed the guy out of 4150
fast pagoda
since when can you eject sata hard drives?
mounted in a hot swappable drive bay because server]
olive sable
no this is my desktop
fast pagoda
or it's not in fstab
amber fractal
(i actually bashed my head when sam flexed it)
It was quite the experience
fast pagoda
or both
olive sable
i don't have windows on the server
olive sable
it might be cuz of new mobo having weird hot swap setting enabled by default
fast pagoda
(i actually bashed my head when sam flexed it)
he has tribial brain dablage
fast pagoda
it might be cuz of new mobo having weird hot swap setting enabled by default
yes
most likely to me
olive sable
fstab is linux
this is my desktop, and im on windows
olive sable
fast pagoda
ii forget how windows works with drives tbh
i just know it's fucked up
it's sad cuz im on windows literally right now
fast pagoda
i just wanted to run passmark
olive sable
i am deeply afraid of running passmark on the server
mighty thorn
i need to buy some sound deadening for the server
Earmuffs are pretty cheap
olive sable
its not for me, i have ANC headphones. its for the other people in this house
mighty thorn
its not for me, i have ANC headphones. its for the other people in this house
5x earmuffs are pretty cheap
olive sable
no thanks
The DL380 Gen10 uses proprietary hot-swap fan connectors 
no noctua i guess
amber fractal
its 6K worth of server hardware for those that cant be bothered to search up pri...
Sam "I'm not really looking for hardware" Triangle
fast pagoda
kek
olive sable
im not looking for hardware cuz im broke
fast pagoda
suddenly he's rolling in billions
olive sable
but im also broke cuz im looking for hardware
mighty thorn
`The DL380 Gen10 uses proprietary hot-swap fan connectors` <:EvilDead:1242814445...
Electrical engineering my beloved
olive sable
suddenly he's rolling in billions
nah i dug a massive hole in my savings account to buy this
the hope is that i get that money back by you buying the 4090
olive sable
its not like im in any financial issues, i can afford this
but i woudl like to not spend too much of my savings
in 3 weeks i get another monthly thingy anyways
thats going to opensauce tho
opaque wharf
Btw Sam, you're on windows right now?
true hemlock
sam
fast pagoda
olive sable
fast pagoda
i will
opaque wharf
Checking HMI development software
olive sable
fast pagoda
opaque wharf
if i have to install some app im out
Yeah thought so
It's the DGUS_V7649 one
https://www.dwin-global.com/tool-page/
fast pagoda
olive sable
caddy?
opaque wharf
I'm on linux and it seems like running it in VM doesn't work as expected
fast pagoda
im installing the malware please hold
mighty thorn
if i have to install some app im out
Grandma plz give Sam his account back
opaque wharf
im installing the malware please hold
Thanks
opaque wharf
Yes
opaque wharf
maybe this is an issue for the vm if it's missing libs
Pretty sure I have it installed tho
See, this is the screen that I'm getting
Usually most HMI software have the screen preview there
opaque wharf
Usual chinesium, please understand
opaque wharf
This is what should be expected tbh
kind nimbus
im installing the malware please hold
nice
fast pagoda
we;;
well
im glad it worked
because it still hasnt actually launched for me
kek
olive sable
kind nimbus
server migration complete 
olive sable
in nixos too?
i imagine so i guess
altho the file structure thingy works different
olive sable
fast pagoda
phew
done with cloudflare tls & swapping caddy from magiccert and a bunch of other crapo
kind nimbus
ahaha
opaque wharf
Why not traefik tho?
fast pagoda
idk caddy was recommended by headscale
kind nimbus
automod just blocked my message probably becuase of the ls program i use lmao
olive sable
what is headscale? part of tailscale?
kind nimbus
what is headscale? part of tailscale?
self hosted tailscale server
fast pagoda
tailscale coordination server but oss
opaque wharf
Sounds awesome
fast pagoda
i must vanish to reboot
kind nimbus
\/usr/bin/su
❯ ls /usr/bin/su
ls: /usr/bin/su: No such file or directory (os error 2).
got around the filter by getting rid of the banned word 
kind nimbus
apparently the three letter word that makes your ls output nice and colorful is banned here by automod lmao
real sierra
there's a story behind every blocked term
kind nimbus
really?
olive sable
ls deluxe 
real sierra
we're not nearly creative enough to come up with all of these ourselves
kind nimbus
now im interested
real sierra
I hardly have them all memorized, I'm sure I could dig it up if I really wanted to though
olive sable
im assuming its mostly english words
opaque wharf
im assuming its mostly english words <:ReallyInnocent:1229173141088112640>
There's a reason server enforce english only conversation 
mods get him
mighty thorn
Banned
kind nimbus
mighty thorn
How dare you have a computer
olive sable
im assuming since its mostly harmless in this case you might jsut get a warning, or they dont care
mighty thorn
And use it
kind nimbus
How dare you have a computer
I use my computer to make other computers do funny things that they are not supposed to do
olive sable
i use my computer to abuse other computers
kind nimbus
that sums it up
olive sable
that wasnt meant to be a sumation of what you said, thats also jsut what i do
olive sable
opaque wharf
It's John Idscord
mighty thorn
It’s like 15% chance it was me
olive sable
there is a pretty high chance it was him
im still waiting for him to get ip banned for ddosing
mighty thorn
It was pretty funny tho so I’d say all is forgiven
opaque wharf
This LLM will surely work
fickle rain
in nixos too?
I think you can use any SUID binary
olive sable
This LLM will surely work <:enub:1163912230585237655>
16gb of ram 🥀
opaque wharf
16gb of ram 🥀
16 GB of SHARED RAM to you sir
mighty thorn
This LLM will surely work <:enub:1163912230585237655>
This is what the average computer system at an American hospital looks like
opaque wharf
Overkill for what it does
olive sable
This is what the average computer system at an American hospital looks like
nah
ryzen 5000 is too new
hospital compurers are on way more dogshit hardware
celeron n100
opaque wharf
Yeah this is not gonna work. Not a single token has been out yet
fickle rain
I think you can use any SUID binary
Maybe NixOS doesn't have those tho, I don't know shit about Linux
opaque wharf
@sick owl using google gemma 4, in your opinion would it be better to run 4b on low quant or 2b on higher quant?
kind nimbus
I think you can use any SUID binary
i love SUID binaries
/bin/bash -p
mighty thorn
ryzen 5000 is too new
I meant more of the lack of the G in the GUI
mighty thorn
<@1113590687636656208> using google gemma 4, in your opinion would it be better ...
gemma3-270m then work your way up until it stops working
opaque wharf
gemma3-270m then work your way up until it stops working
I'll push my luck
olive sable
you know the server i mentioned an hour ago with the 4090. seller said he was using it for qwen 2.5 70B
olive sable
no
opaque wharf
olive sable
yet
opaque wharf
I'm mostly curious how the state of edge inference model right now
And apparently still not smol enough
olive sable
can a man not use a gpu for graphical processing uniting?
but nah the 4090 will be ont he tailscale
mighty thorn
I'm mostly curious how the state of edge inference model right now
If 4090 was cutting edge inference people wouldn’t have $8000 Mac mini clusters
olive sable
im selling the 4090 to afunyun or elvy anyways later
opaque wharf
I mean edge inference as local inference. That's how corpo likes to talk about using your compute for their software
On-device term is also now trending
mighty thorn
im selling the 4090 to afunyun or elvy anyways later
What if
Hear me out
You give it to me in exchange for 2.5x 3060s
olive sable
if you can bid higher than them sure, bidding is at 1.5K
mighty thorn
if you can bid higher than them sure, bidding is at 1.5K
I can sign a contract giving you legal ownership of every organ in my body upon my death, making you hundreds of thousands on the black market
opaque wharf
Now Sam Van Organ Harvester 3000
kind nimbus
Maybe NixOS doesn't have those tho, I don't know shit about Linux
why would NixOS not have SUID binaries?
mighty thorn
i can rent out the 4090 if you want
Okay but you have to charge as a function of power draw rather than time because I’m not paying you for the 11 hours I spend making my stuff work outside of my laptop
opaque wharf
Okay but you have to charge as a function of power draw rather than time because...
This seems unfair tho. You'll get charged the power draw when you're not doing computation
olive sable
no, i charge as a function to solar panel import, energy import, battery percentege of the house, and current market rate
mighty thorn
This seems unfair tho. You'll get charged the power draw when you're not doing c...
The power draw of the card not the computer
tender river
https://xint.io/blog/copy-fail-linux-distributions
i wonder if you could use it to get root on android
opaque wharf
The power draw of the card not the computer
Ye, the GPU still draw power even if idle
leaden crest
i can rent out the 4090 if you want
make sure it’s from australia
mighty thorn
no, i charge as a function to solar panel import, energy import, battery percent...
What’s ur price then
olive sable
make sure it’s from australia
the 4090 just so happens to not be from auatralia, as its inside my house and my house is not in australia
olive sable
What’s ur price then
idfk
leaden crest
the 4090 just so happens to not be from auatralia, as its inside my house and my...
doxxed
again
olive sable
everybody and their mom knows im from belgium
mighty thorn
everybody and their mom knows im from belgium
Ur from Belgium????
olive sable
my lastname litteraly doxxes the country
leaden crest
why so surprised
leaden crest
💀
mighty thorn
Speaking of that
leaden crest
all you european neurons 
feel lonely
@real sierra can i come wish you happy birthday in person
mighty thorn
Lemme pull him aside real quick for interrogation regarding this visa
real sierra
no
leaden crest
(joke)
mighty thorn
all you european neurons <:neuroAware:1125108880062566521> feel lonely
Bruh I live in Rhode Island smh
real sierra
why thank you
opaque wharf
That's cheap wtf
olive sable
That's cheap wtf
nah i think some places are cheaper
leaden crest
theoretically we could invade every college at once and sing all of them happy birthday in order to guarantee we met shiro
the only problem being the absurd cost of ticket flights
leaden crest
the website’s americacentric
leaden crest
opaque wharf
Well, if you go east far enough...
olive sable
by that logic, im in the far east
and asian people are the eastest
🔺
\🔺
-# 🔺
huh
leaden crest
im on mobile nvm
leaden crest
on mobile it’s just an escape sequence for the colon
so it looks like an emoji fail
olive sable
-# \🔺
kind nimbus
windows hdr
windows
olive sable
even smaller
kind nimbus
It's almost 6am
Time to sleep
glad path
hi
leaden crest
11pm time to eep good night yall
kind nimbus
mighty thorn
wtf
Sry I’ll move somewhere else
Oh wait you totally weren’t talking to me
-# another win for the family guy state
Oh hey it’s tomorrow now
umbral wigeon
Do yall think programming is easy
Hey this is 145,757 members discord, the chat must be alive
tight tinsel
Do yall think programming is easy
I had a classmate forget how to set a variable after a week so I guess it depends
umbral wigeon
I had a classmate forget how to set a variable after a week so I guess it depend...
Programming is easy, anyone can do it
patent shard
Hey this is 145,757 members discord, the chat must be alive
everyone chatting in nn
nevermind, there was almost a 15min gap of someone talking in nn
olive sable
programming is easy if its only your own code
umbral wigeon
Cus autistic person who once can't even speak in special eduaction vip room like me can
Then anyone can
olive sable
if you need to figure out what the fuck gerarld programmed after 5 beers and put into the vulkan api, goodluck
umbral wigeon
if you need to figure out what the fuck gerarld programmed after 5 beers and put...
That why I vibe code
😭🙏
umbral wigeon
Yes anyone can code
olive sable
no
umbral wigeon
Cus vibe code
olive sable
anyone can let chatgpt code, you're not actually coding it yourself
umbral wigeon
I'm a 5 iq programmer, I can't even divide
olive sable
cuz its property of openai or something
i think they dont actually claim to own it, but they use it for training or whatever
iirc
glad path
Cus I vibe code
~~ die ~~
umbral wigeon
Chill, I'm not here to declare ai warfare
olive sable
umbral wigeon
Like some X post
mighty thorn
I hope we can have robot body
Crazy fucking, even
Like
You could almost say
A crazy fucking robot body
olive sable
id like to not look like springtrap after falling from 5cm off the floor
umbral wigeon
A crazy fucking robot body
Isn't good to live forever?
mighty thorn
id like to not look like springtrap after falling from 5cm off the floor
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it sickened me
mighty thorn
Isn't good to live **forever**?
No! 
olive sable
Isn't good to live **forever**?
false, you would still get dementia and shit and die like a normal human due to old age
umbral wigeon
Isn't good to live **forever**?
I'm pretty optismtic about elon musk ideas of optional died
olive sable
mighty thorn
I just implemented the anthropic Contextual Retrieval paper
And
I think this is the one
With some minor modifications I’m pretty sure will be the basis of my LTM system
umbral wigeon
No! <:SMILE:1173553648534568960>
If you bored of life, you can still exit 0 yourself
mighty thorn
<:Tutel:1136480360495063121>
umbral wigeon
If you bored of life, you can still exit 0 yourself
(Bad/dark and good joke)
olive sable
can the MGA G200eH3 run doom?
It is a modern iteration of the classic Matrox G200 architecture, which debuted in 1998
hmmm
mighty thorn
`It is a modern iteration of the classic Matrox G200 architecture, which debuted...
“The i9-12900k is a modern iteration of the transistor architecture, which debuted in 1968”
olive sable
thats far from the same thing
mighty thorn
Either original or bust imo
umbral wigeon
What the meaning of life in you guys thoughts?
(Just wondering)
olive sable
this is jsut modern version of the same shitty gpu
Supports up to 1920 x 1200 at 16-bit color or 1280 x 1024 at 32-bit color.
256 MB of shared/dedicated system memory
It does not support modern 3D APIs like DirectX 11/12 or Vulkan.
I’m fully willing to have this conversation right now but the moderators are not
olive sable
What the meaning of life in you guys thoughts?
(Just wondering)
do what u like unless its illegal or morally wrong
mighty thorn
What the meaning of life in you guys thoughts?
(Just wondering)
See now the great mystery with that isn’t actually in the answer but in the question
tight tinsel
i want to resume the shadowlilac art but im lazy
umbral wigeon
mighty thorn
The biological meaning of life is to create offspring
olive sable
i want to resume the shadowlilac art but im lazy
mighty thorn
The psychological meaning of life is to be happy
The societal meaning of life is to achieve your dream
And the true meaning of life
Well
olive sable
the real meaning of life is femboys innit
mighty thorn
It’s to donate to Kaine
mighty thorn
the real meaning of life is femboys innit
opaque sigil
hm?
glad path
for some reason my browser refuses to download files
opaque sigil
is it just the shitty font
glad path
so i have to curl --output everything now
opaque sigil
try asking it nicely
olive sable
try asking it nicely
issue was nix config defaulting to the shitty mobo graphics
kindred perch
Use diff browser?
olive sable
browser?
kindred perch
Use diff browser?
@glad path for him
olive sable
oh
kindred perch
<a:NeuroBounce:1104933550567985312>
Blud has 4090 💀
olive sable
just one
olive sable
glad path
ok im going to sleep now
olive sable
goodnight
glad path
before i lose track of time and realize its 12:59 or something
olive sable
opaque sigil
hope it went well
olive sable
bus to the station cancelled last minute
we were once not allowed to board one specific train carriage but it was with reserved seats, so instead of putting us on a different wagon we had to go a day later 
opaque sigil
igpu?
olive sable
no, this is dual xeon 6134 or something
olive sable
are you running Hyprland on the server
yes
opaque sigil
rough bloom
olive sable
the mobo itself has a gpu
olive sable
can the MGA G200eH3 run doom? <:hmm:1303107376295186524>
this thing
olive sable
```
Supports up to 1920 x 1200 at 16-bit color or 1280 x 1024 at 32-bit color.
2...
its pretty shitty
opaque sigil
oh one of those management gpus
olive sable
ye
olive sable
<:neuroCURSED:1109915120626311270>
its not that bad
jsut have to put mainmod on alt cuz otherwise my desktop thinks im doing mainmod
rough bloom
surely you can just use waypipe or something
olive sable
idk what that is, but ilo5 seems to be doing fine mostly
rough bloom
or do you just want to run the triangle 
olive sable
im not planning on using the server gui a lot, but i do want something that isnt annoying to use like windows
cuz windows is what was on here when i bought it
hardware raid 1 m.2 dual 480gb
rough bloom
im not planning on using the server gui a lot, but i do want something that isnt...
usually you don't need one at all
something like Blender that has support for distributed computation can run headless
if you just want to run a GUI app on the server for some reason there's waypipe (or X forwarding if you must use that)
also
change hostname
olive sable
whats the benefit of using waypipe over jsut having wayland on the server
rough bloom
no need to run a full desktop on the server
less resources, more efficient, causes fewer issues
rough bloom
no
olive sable
no need to run a full desktop on the server
hyprland doesnt boot by default, i set it up so its only there i if manually ask for it. i imagine it wont be used a lot
rough bloom
if that app supports X11 then you can use X forwarding too
there's even X servers for Windows that support this
(and IIRC you can use WSL for this too now because of WSLg)
rough bloom
hyprland doesnt boot by default, i set it up so its only there i if manually ask...
reasonable
olive sable
i could remove hyprland if i end up liking waypipe when i try it
for now imma use this cuz i already have it
olive sable
wdym by that?
rough bloom
it's still nixos
opaque sigil
don't have 2 devices with the same hostname on the same network
rough bloom
messes with stuff like mDNS
opaque sigil
name resolution is more likely to become fucky
mighty thorn
Sam isn’t it like 7 in the morning for you by now
opaque sigil
nixos.local how is it supposed to resolve this
rough bloom
but mostly it's just a way to identify what machine you're running some command on or getting data from
used in quite a few places
opaque sigil
interesting, so the audio volume applet just doesn't seem to be exposed as its own thing with its own config in the newer versions of kde plasma
no virtual devices for me i guess
[Containments][128][Applets][133][Applets][145][Configuration][General]
migrated=true
showVirtualDevices=true
I could try figuring out how to generate these numbers I guess so home-manager can generate this but uhhh
mighty thorn
https://youtube.com/shorts/Lc4pRgC99Yg
me in a finding out about things late competition
Next he’ll find out that OpenAI is planning to release a video model called sora
trim valve
`nixos.local` how is it supposed to resolve this
free load balancing
olive sable
huh
i think its doing software rendering
moving a window seems to be makign the cpu cores go to 70%
opaque sigil
that would line up with it looking so choppy
olive sable
works suprisingly well for software rendering
rough bloom
it really should use the 4090
rough bloom
trim valve
did you setup Nvidia drivers on nixos?
trim valve
might be a silly question but
trim valve
olive sable
did you setup Nvidia drivers on nixos?
i think so ye
opaque sigil
you wouldn't have access to nvidia-smi otherwise 
rough bloom
olive sable
remove pc, gamedev is about making the game, not the dev. use cardboard and printer
rough bloom
and they just happen to have the same names
olive sable
just dont go to the library
opaque sigil
suspiciously header-only library shaped
sage crag
if you write your own bootloader and kernel to run your game on, youre still using x86 instruction set, which is a library
smh
ohh ye i learned a thing
-mllvm -disable-block-placement
useful for cursed
vague sonnet
`-mllvm -disable-block-placement`
now no one can place blocks in your minecraft world
sage crag
now no one can place blocks in your minecraft world
useful for 
vague sonnet
what's this ligma file format
dire trout
just curious which is more effective
dire trout
oh
vague sonnet
its called intermediate representation, but you can just write it yourself
but why would I
sage crag
but why would I
to become the compiler
opaque sigil
just curious which is more effective
whichever is easier to read, they're identical
sage crag
translating IR to asm is trivial and not strictly compilation, because IR is designed to lower directly to asm
olive sable
i cant take a screenshot on the monitor in the server, so had to screenshot the ilo
trim valve
built in KVM is cool
vague sonnet
just curious which is more effective
both suck
I would do & 0b11110110
rough bloom
graphical session over iLO just to run btop
sage crag
just write raw assembly at that point
IR is portable, asm is not
olive sable
the graphical session runs by default when logging in on ilo
sage crag
but i do have a couple of small projects written in entirely x86 asm
dire trout
both suck
I would do & 0b11110110
that works too???
sage crag
vague sonnet
IR is portable, asm is not
if you're a real compiler you can handle writing it for every system
vague sonnet
that works too???
yes and is the most readable because you see the bits
rough bloom
the graphical session runs by default when logging in on ilo
depends on what you mean by graphical session
the BMC is always attached and will show a screenshot of whatever was last on screen as a quick overview
so there's always a display
sage crag
sage crag
<:UNFOCUS:1292861007634497557>
i cant take a screenshot on the monitor in the s...
can shiro host fumoquest on this server
dire trout
so instead of doing this annoying bs i could just do & 0b11011111
sage crag
ye
olive sable
<a:doc_20260108_074827_M:1458912973526663352> depends on what you mean by graphi...
the thing on bottom left is live display out
olive sable
can shiro host fumoquest on this server
sure
dire trout
cry
olive sable
@real sierra 
real sierra
sage crag
only if your language supports the 0b prefix though
c does, if youre using c
rough bloom
the thing on bottom left is live display out
actually live live?
or just updating every few seconds
sage crag
sam big server
dire trout
its C yeah
real sierra
Sam big server?
dire trout
happy shiro day
vague sonnet
so instead of doing this annoying bs i could just do & 0b11011111
the number formats are interchangeable, just use the most readable one
olive sable
or just updating every few seconds
actually, lemme test that. its not 60fps
vague sonnet
compiler will make them all hex anyway
real sierra
but to use big server, need dox myself to the guy who can't keep his personal info hidden for more than 3 minutes
hmmmmmmm
dire trout
the number formats are interchangeable, just use the most readable one
for me or for the interface
vague sonnet
for me or for the interface
for the programmer, so you
silent cloak
Lmao
olive sable
or just updating every few seconds
once every 5 sec or so it updates it seems
sage crag
for me or for the interface
the real thing to do is name your constants and then do bitwise operations with the names rather than the values
vague sonnet
if you look and you don't immediately know it's not readable enough
trim valve
how much did that server cost anyways
opaque sigil
so instead of doing this annoying bs i could just do & 0b11011111
the reason they're teaching this is because you'll rarely ever need this for a single byte but rather 32 or 64 in which case hex is far more concise
olive sable
but to use big server, need dox myself to the guy who can't keep his personal in...
tailscale works
rough bloom
once every 5 sec or so it updates it seems
ye, screenshots 
trim valve
and where do you keep getting the money
olive sable
how much did that server cost anyways
1850 euro
dire trout
for the programmer, so you
fair, ill have to ask whether i can use this for tests though, ill be shooting myself in my head if they'll grade me down bc of that lmao
sage crag
the reason they're teaching this is because you'll rarely ever need this for a s...
i store my bitflags as (1 << k) and then OR them together
real sierra
or do I just rent a vps
trim valve
secret third option
dire trout
the reason they're teaching this is because you'll rarely ever need this for a s...
hex is so annoying to interpret
vague sonnet
the reason they're teaching this is because you'll rarely ever need this for a s...
concise vs readable tho
bit shift is more readable for a single flag but for filtering binary is nice
dire trout
rough bloom
I can offer
small VM on Hetzner dedi 
but you might as well just get a 5€ VPS at that point
trim valve
sneak a raspberry pi into sams house
olive sable
and where do you keep getting the money <:newliv:1354210476778586132>
dug a bit into savings
im selling the 4090 tho, bidding is at 1500. no im not accepting estrogen
jagged turtle
or do I just rent a vps
rent a vps probs
vague sonnet
dug a bit into savings <:newliv:1354210476778586132>
im selling the 4090 tho, b...
1500 sounds so cheap wtf
real sierra
dug a bit into savings <:newliv:1354210476778586132>
im selling the 4090 tho, b...
what if I just give you mod role here
opaque sigil
hex is so annoying to interpret
it's not that bad, there's only 16 digits you'll memorise them over time
olive sable
1500 sounds so cheap wtf
then bid more and its yours
sage crag
sneak a raspberry pi into sams house
nrr you have to sneak a raspberry pi into sams neighbour's house so that when
vague sonnet
then bid more and its yours <:enub:1163912230585237655>
I would rather spend half that on a 7900xtx
real sierra
if I can do all that I would just sneak Sam's server into my house
sage crag
dug a bit into savings <:newliv:1354210476778586132>
im selling the 4090 tho, b...
how much do you have saved for a completely jobless guy
olive sable
what if I just give you mod role here
i woudlnt mind that, but thats not worth much to me
jagged turtle
what if I just give you mod role here
samod
olive sable
I would rather spend half that on a 7900xtx
thats why i have 2 7900xtx
vague sonnet
lmao nice
olive sable
how much do you have saved for a completely jobless guy <:neuroCatUuh:1131629092...
i had 2.5K, now i have 1.5K
real sierra
<:neuroCatUuh:1131629092475768884> i woudlnt mind that, but thats not worth much...
what if I give you member here
sage crag
aintneurway
olive sable
what if I give you member here
i don't even know what that is. but its 50 bucks at most
vague sonnet
i had 2.5K, now i have 1.5K
after a month? or are you homeless
opaque sigil
concise vs readable tho
bit shift is more readable for a single flag but for fil...
imo the moment you need more than a simple bitmask readability is gone no matter what, may as well keep it short instead
olive sable
after a month? or are you homeless
im a college student, i have parents
sage crag
i will not comment on financial decisions i will not comment on financial decisions i will not comment on
vague sonnet
im a college student, i have parents
yeah that's what I meant
rough bloom
only go up in value 
opaque sigil
i hate that this is unironically true for a 4090
real sierra
i will not comment on financial decisions i will not comment on financial decisi...
only investors get a say in where the money goes 
dire trout
i dont get variable declaration am i just fucking stupid
sage crag
only investors get a say in where the money goes <:Corpa:1232956858617036873>
thats because we havent done the rising of the proletariat yet, when is that scheduled by the way
opaque sigil
next monday, did you miss the memo
olive sable
i will not comment on financial decisions i will not comment on financial decisi...
feel free i dont care. i know its a bad financial desicision, but this bad boy has 256gb of ram that is already worth as much as i paid for it, the 4090 is worth more than i paid for it, and the actual cpu and server itself ignoring ram is about worth what i paid for it
sage crag
o
real sierra
thats because we havent done the rising of the proletariat yet, when is that sch...
idk it's basically the plot of fumoquest if you think about it
sage crag
next monday, did you miss the memo
server event post where
dire trout
nvm im a dumbass
real sierra
do need server to test fumoquest builds on
ideally with quicker network connection than bwaani vps
olive sable
you can join the tailscale probably
real sierra
2 minutes to upload new build 
vague sonnet
do need server to test fumoquest builds on
just test locally xdd
sage crag
lucky you
real sierra
just test locally xdd
some bugs only show with real world conditions
sage crag
i get 30mbps on a perfect day
sage crag
i get 30mbps on a perfect day
and 6mpbs up
or if i walk down to the end of my garden and turn on mobile data, i get 27x faster internet
vague sonnet
some bugs only show with real world conditions
your unit test coverage? are there enough integration tests?
jagged turtle
do need server to test fumoquest builds on
ig you could borrow mine
real sierra
your unit test coverage? are there enough integration tests?
unit tests? 
olive sable
give me member and ill let you use the server for free including the 4090 and everything.
vague sonnet
oh nah
olive sable
(i still dont know what member is)
sage crag
member is
real sierra
abstracts too much away for me to even begin to test any of its features
real sierra
and it also fails to adequately document any of the things it does expose
olive sable
unless it means lurking in mod chats while not doing anything
opaque sigil
this is why you're supposed to use the socket api directly 
(and go back after 2 minutes because it's quite literally the worst api anyone has ever come up with)
vague sonnet
abstracts too much away for me to even begin to test any of its features
you don't unit test libraries, only your parts of code
and integration tests are higher level and just go through a bigger flow
real sierra
you don't unit test libraries, only your parts of code
and integration tests are...
yeah the problems I'm experiencing are user error with the libraries
there are not enough docs to know how to use the library without trial and error
vague sonnet
your library sucks ripbozo
olive sable
shiro going to the mod chats "ye so i made sam mod so i can use his 4090 server"
real sierra
your library sucks ripbozo
yes it does
it's great when you find the paradigm-supported use case
but otherwise it's hell
sage crag
i took a banana of the bunch but i ate an extra apple and now i dont want to eat the banana and i feel bad because the banana is gonna have to experience like a day of being alone when its been bunched with other bananas for its whole life its so sad
opaque sigil
<:stopbeingMean:1467836441592729674>
i'm right
dire trout
hex to dec is (Xn x 16^n)
A-F is 10 to 15
0xFF (15x16^1)+(15x16^0) = 255
how do you even calculate this in head guh
sage crag
sage crag
hex to dec is (Xn x 16^n)
A-F is 10 to 15
0xFF (15x16^1)+(15x16^0) = 255
how do ...
theres an easy trick which is called remembering
olive sable
tragic story. konii shoudl be writer
trim valve
or if i walk down to the end of my garden and turn on mobile data, i get 27x fas...
onpar with wired rpi
sage crag
but a slightly harder trick where you split the hex into two four bit binary numbers
dire trout
theres an easy trick which is called remembering
0x0F4D for example how do you do all that in head
like no calc
sage crag
0x0F4D for example how do you do all that in head
256*15 + 16*4 + 13
opaque sigil
0b0000111101001101
i think that's it right
dire trout
ok so i just need to remember 16^(0-16)
trim valve
and that is enough to doxx my uni
sage crag
each hex digit corresponds to 4 binary digits
0x0: 0b0000
0xF: 0b1111
0x4: 0b0100
0xD: 0b1101
olive sable
rough bloom
opaque sigil
sage crag
ok so i just need to remember 16^(0-16)
nrr, each hex digit has 16 times higher value than the last
dire trout
nrr, each hex digit has 16 times higher value than the last
oh
olive sable
i still need to figure out why the video lags. the gpu shows usage, but the cpu shows a lot of usage too when i do shit
real sierra
same as any other base
dire trout
well that sucks
sage crag
well that sucks
its the same as base 10 but with 16
rough bloom
mabe CPU is doing copy between the 4090 and the Matrox display adapter thing?
dire trout
i guess i could do the splitting binary numbers thing
opaque sigil
`256*15 + 16*4 + 13`
alternatively 13*16^0 + 4*16^1 + 15*16^2
sage crag
0-9, 10-99, 100-999, wrr
opaque sigil
the math thankfully does not care about the base at all
olive sable
mabe CPU is doing copy between the 4090 and the Matrox display adapter thing?
that could be it. i have something liek that in my nixos config to make the gpu output work
trim valve
does the gpu get used at all for graphical stuff?
dire trout
0-9, 10-99, 100-999, wrr
ok that makes sense
olive sable
does the gpu get used at all for graphical stuff?
yes
rough bloom
mabe CPU is doing copy between the 4090 and the Matrox display adapter thing?
would make some sense, though idk why that would cause CPU usage that high
could try and see if it still happens over VNC or something, that might be more efficient
rough bloom
shookeeth
real sierra
sammmmmmmm
opaque sigil
<:NeurOhISee:1136209034966483084> that could be it. i have something liek that i...
wtf are you doing in your config 
dire trout
realistically i guess i can just memorise up to 16 bit hexs and then just wing it ig
olive sable
sammmmmmmm
yessss
olive sable
wtf are you doing in your config <:neuroCry:1110064189839523881>
lemme check
real sierra
olive sable
<:neuroBwaa:1244489317204627457>
real sierra
how do I use your server without doxxing myself
olive sable
tailscale probably
opaque sigil
realistically i guess i can just memorise up to 16 bit hexs and then just wing i...
learn the math behind working with arbitrary bases so if you're told to convert from idk, base 3 to base 7 it won't trip you up
olive sable
i have tailscale set up already with afunyun
2 other chatters are in there too but idk if i should leak
thorny marsh
shookeeth the window
real sierra
I see
sage crag
i have tailscale set up already with afunyun
how many cores do i get
real sierra
tailscale maybe works
opaque sigil
converting to binary as a common base is nice for powers of 2 tho
olive sable
might have to make a seperate tailscale for this tho since idk if they want to leak their hardware
rough bloom
my VM offer also still valid
-# I don't have 256 GB of RAM but I do have virtualization and gigabit ethernet
olive sable
how many cores do i get
there are 40 cores and i don't feel like making a way to lock certain ones away. so 40 i guess
olive sable
dont
electricity expensive
i will sue
if you're gonna mine a small amount of crypto, do it at noon or the afternoon. electricity solar then
real sierra
all you need to know is that all natural numbers can be written as
(a_0)b⁰ + (a_1)b¹ + ... + (a_n)bⁿ
for arbitrary choice of base b and some sequence of digits (a_k) where 0 ≤ a_i < b
opaque sigil
can i compile my 208 benchmarks on your server
olive sable
probably
sage crag
all you need to know is that all natural numbers can be written as
(a_0)b⁰ + (a...
all numbers can also be written as (a_0)b⁰
olive sable
they're older xeons from 2017, but they should work
sage crag
real sierra
mine crypto on sam server
noper
real sierra
all numbers can also be written as (a_0)b⁰
this restricts choice of b
sage crag
wait then what are you saying
i saying truth
sage crag
fine
real sierra
class inheritance
sage crag
you can write any number as
real sierra
always inherit unless overwrites
sage crag
(a_0)b¹
real sierra
olive sable
idk how to do a 2nd tailscale, ill figure it out maybe
olive sable
just tell me what server stuff i should set up for fumoquest
olive sable
how come this is only a problem now? did you jsut doxx yourself to konii?
sage crag
<a:uuh:1115316350739546173>
shr did you see my blue os
real sierra
how come this is only a problem now? did you jsut doxx yourself to konii?
maybe
sage crag
olive sable
sage crag
how come this is only a problem now? did you jsut doxx yourself to konii?
i have it on good authority that konii has never leaked shiro's ip
olive sable
konii gets extra privileges
real sierra
olive sable
i have it on good authority that konii has never leaked shiro's ip
i have it on good authority i havent either
real sierra
I thought blue more expensive
real sierra
just tell me what server stuff i should set up for fumoquest
I mean it only needs uh
sage crag
<:bwaadow:1332074721155612753> konii gets extra privileges
you manage to dox yourself more than every other person here combined
olive sable
ok but i havent doxxed other people
rough bloom
sharing server with others with no access control<:neuroLookUp:11099156909719633...
on local network too
unrestricted
olive sable
olive sable
explain it to me like i odnt do networking, cuz i dont
real sierra
@rare bridge can u give box and I put fumoquest
sage crag
i dont think i logged in since i gave access
olive sable
rough bloom
olive sable
sage crag
js server where each thread runs on 1 cuda core
ive been working with fasm in my little os thing
opaque sigil
fasm
sage crag
its preprocessor is actually really good
opaque sigil
it iiiis
vague sonnet
https://purrnet.gitbook.io/docs
you only chose this one because 🐱 didn't you
rough bloom
NVIDIA prime
sage crag
macro set_xcr n, [bits] {
common local folded
folded = 0
forward folded = folded or (xcr#n#_#bits)
common
if folded > 0
if n > 0
mov ecx, n
else
xor ecx, ecx
end if
xgetbv
or eax, folded
xsetbv
end if
}
xcr0_x87 = 1 shl 0
xcr0_sse = 1 shl 1
set_xcr 0, x87, sse
an example of a fasm macro (that i do not use) (because i wrote it as an example)
real sierra
you only chose this one because 🐱 didn't you
I picked it because it sounded very simple to set up, and for a time it was
opaque sigil
- there's no igpu why is prime even enabled
- does it not work without mgag200 in
videoDrivers?
olive sable
i have no clue, i can test
sage crag
preprocesses to
