programming

[olive sable]

ohhh

ye idk

estrogen math is liek twice as hard as regular math

[opaque sigil]

this is why you girl math it

[olive sable]

ranging from under 10 to over 20 depending on the pharmacy and use of discount programs.
google

so the answer is between 5 and 25

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

numlock

[trim valve]

the answer is between 40 and 70 last i checked

though if you extrapolate to monthly its much lower

[olive sable]

google is doing math in usd

so its probably getting american healthcare prices

[trim valve]

[leaden crest]

sam should I be worried

you seem to be searching estrogen prices as deeply as you do with pc parts

[olive sable]

does the chance of me being trans wory you that much?

[leaden crest]

stunlocked

[carmine python]

what's the context

uhh anyways

I was dualbooting Windows 8.1

then whilst using the music app

I got an absolutely aesthetic "now playing" screenshot for a TV

like, I use my TV as monitor 2#

and I had the music app in said "monitor"

[leaden crest]

pierce her I hardly know her

[true hemlock]

@elvy buy him dresses

[carmine python]

this + dimmed light in the room = perfect combo

[fast pagoda]

interesting

https://github.com/warpdotdev/warp

warp went oss

sponsored by ...openai

[glass flower]

can't wait for it to be renamed to "warp codex"

[fast pagoda]

eyah that's strange since the full thing is like

a codex direct competitor

like they are the same fucking thing

[maiden geyser]

world needs 10 more projects named warp

[fast pagoda]

the only one that matters is os/2

[opaque sigil]

not really, warp is a terminal that happens to also do agent stuff

[fast pagoda]

they should all get threatened by gene roddenberry then they can talk

[opaque sigil]

codex is the other way around

[fast pagoda]

i guess but they kinda converged

maybe they wanted to make codex even more terminalesque and they were like

[opaque sigil]

oh for sure, they've been pushing warp hard into the ai direction over time

[fast pagoda]

fuck this

and just grabbed warp

[opaque sigil]

warp was kind of nice last time i tried it but that was like a year ago so i'm sure it's a completely different product now

i wonder if they still have the single toggle to turn off all AI features

[fast pagoda]

i have used it off and on over time and i liked it wayyyyyyyyy more when it was more terminal less agent

[glass flower]

can someone give me a tldr what warp even is? their github page doesn't really explain what makes it different from a normal cli tool

[opaque sigil]

it's a terminal

[fast pagoda]

it's basically konsole

[opaque sigil]

with rather deep AI integration

[fast pagoda]

but with claude code built in

[glass flower]

why would i want a terminal to call a terminal tool

[fast pagoda]

it's not really that

it's like

you can do terminal commands

or you can type in english

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

and itll route the request to the ai

which will then do claude code esque stuff

[glass flower]

because people can't remember cmd line names? or get a proper shell?

[fast pagoda]

think of claude code if you were defaulting to ! bash mode

rather than the other way around

[glass flower]

i have never used claude code

[fast pagoda]

well in it you can ! and it'll let you just use regular terminal stuff

[glass flower]

the only cli's i used so far was the one from github copilot and opencode

[fast pagoda]

it's like if opencode were the entire terminal program

[glass flower]

[fast pagoda]

i guess opencode has a standalone thing now right? like that

[opaque sigil]

0.2026.04.08.08.36.stable_05 what a version number

[fast pagoda]

average warp versioning

[glass flower]

semver? i barely knew her

[opaque sigil]

first screen nice

[fast pagoda]

it is a good terminal outside of the ai stuff

rust

[opaque sigil]

ye, quite heavy though (it does a lot more tbf)

[fast pagoda]

yeah it's got a lot jammed on there than your average konsole

basically a whole ide

at this point

if you want it to be

making things more confusing

it uses

https://github.com/seanmonstar/warp

just for you @maiden geyser

this warp is one of warp (terminal)'s dependencies kekw

[glass flower]

[rough bloom]

why does the terminal emulator need a built-in webserver

[opaque sigil]

i think it's for the various AI features that require a backend server, so you can connect to a local one instead

i don't think i'll ever get over the fact that rust build scripts using println to interact with the compiler

ugh

[olive sable]

the more i look at the hardware in this server, the more we find that i scammed the fuck out of the seller

ofcourse the 4090 alone is worth more than the 1850 i paid. but i keep finding sas drives, m.2s, and other random bullshit

[trim valve]

if you personally dislike using it there is a crate you can use that wraps it for you

I also dislike it though

[opaque sigil]

i dislike it but not enough to use an extra crate for it

maybe i should

[trim valve]

https://crates.io/crates/build-rs

[opaque sigil]

oh it's official

[trim valve]

also seems to only have 1 dep which is nice

[opaque sigil]

why are we storing a json string inside a json file

they already depend on serde_json

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

the cake role looks like a litle hat for evildentge

[amber fractal]

Place the cake into the dentege

[fickle rain]

https://xcancel.com/x64dbg/status/2047391451466580349

YOOOOO

Oh right, fucking embeds

[olive sable]

i read that as embreds

toast arc has ruined me

everything is bred

[fickle rain]

I like the idea of good rev focused debugger for Linux that doesn’t sit in CLI

[amber fractal]

Your mind has become toast

[olive sable]

true

[ivory plinth]

the haunts you

[fickle rain]

But I also get the feeling this won’t have convenience features that, say, pwndbg has

(which is just GDB+scripts, but doesn’t matter here)

[amber fractal]

Toast, Toast, Toast, and Toast🔺 are typing

[ivory plinth]

[fickle rain]

I mean sure slopmachine could probably port the features in 0.5 seconds but yeah

https://github.com/x64dbg/x64dbg/releases/tag/2026.04.20
WTF debugger MCP? Now that’s some tru extreme slopper tooling

[frozen igloo]

https://youtu.be/GpyB-VSjk4Q?si=4sJsZsknULP7qzlc

[mighty thorn]

Speaking of slop machine

Claude after creating the 50 least functional python scripts ever compiled

[leaden crest]

happy birthday @amber fractal

may you be harpooned many years to come

[fickle rain]

Damn
Is that on 20€ plan?

[amber fractal]

🎂

[fickle rain]

Or is Claude pricing just turbofucked

[olive sable]

22 now iirc?

[mighty thorn]

It can’t be both?

[mighty thorn]

So proud of you! 55 is a huge milestone!

[amber fractal]

[leaden crest]

not for @real sierra (happy birthday to you too)

[olive sable]

apparently not

21 then

[mighty thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/21-nine-ten-intro-funny-gif-6362142398316081760

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

I am 22 yeah

[olive sable]

Then why react dentge

[amber fractal]

I was dentege it seems like

[umbral wigeon]

Yo guys, I'm wondering, if next 70 years that Ai can truly reliably code entire OS, assembly, low level systems, any kinds of code re, what will human do?

I'm very curious

[amber fractal]

I'd be more shocked if it couldn't

I mean 70 years back from here we didn't have much in terms of tech

Or at all

[young plover]

the answer is too political to talk about here

economy be looking different for sure

[umbral wigeon]

It stucks in my head, this questions

It feels brutal

[opaque sigil]

the answer is nobody knows

[umbral wigeon]

If next 150 years, where everyone can just one button generate entire OS, low level, assembly, any library/frameworks, high performance, backend, frontend, any systems, linux, any system with perfect code/performance, reilably truly, by just 1 click and little prompt

Imagine little kid could just vibe code entire OS by pressing button
I'm also optimistic about this and feels brutal at same time

Let's sleep

I'm just thinking too much ig

[mighty thorn]

I don’t think the question involved politics at all tbh

[safe path]

cant wait for artisan oses crafted by real humans

"back in my day, OSes were coded by hand..."

[tender river]

pattern matching infinite trees, connecting each tree leaf to other tree leaves, allowing any kinds of bidirectional tree transformations

[amber fractal]

nowaying Vanor

[tender river]

i'm currently converting to support arbitrary graphs, not just trees

because currently my product patterns work more like dependent functions

[safe path]

happy birthday!

[tender river]

o true happy birthday iggly

[amber fractal]

[tender river]

i tried using it to create a program that computes the equation b=a+2 using church encoding

when you pass b, it gives a, when you pass a, it gives b

and its impossible to pick a number less than 2 for b

which means it's working

[prime delta]

How do I start larping programming guys

Do I start coding Roblox next month

Mmm run=true

[tender river]

@safe path the end goal is to create an engine for writing arbitrarily complex bidirectional programs
like a parser that can produce ast nodes from text and text from ast nodes

i want to use it to create a programmable editor (not necessarily for text)

since editing is all about bidirectional transformations between ui elements and data you edit

[prime delta]

Uhh...

Bisexuals are cool I guess...

[safe path]

oooh shit thats cool actually

i think that has applications, imagine switching between normal text editing and structured editing with no info loss

[tender river]

yee my goal is exactly preserving context

i dont like the existing approaches to interactivity, rust-analyzer just caches everything, thats so boring

[wispy pike]

so like, noob question but how do I do a combo system? I have the idea of making a combo-based platformer and I want to get it coded and ready to go

[young plover]

The first serious project I worked on was an open source emulator that had a menu item for "About <emulator>" which didn't actually do anything. So I cobbled an About dialogue together by looking at the rest of the UI code and tweaked it until the maintainers were happy with it. Open Source with patient maintainers is good learning experience.

[tender river]

look into how regex works

combo system is basically implementing a regex engine

[wispy pike]

regex = regular expression I think

oh...

I think that the way that you meant that was like, to store inputs regex is very useful

[olive sable]

The seller lied, its not 128gb, its 256gb

[tender river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondeterministic_finite_automaton
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterministic_finite_automaton
wikipedia isnt a good starting point, but these are the topics you'll end up using one way or another, even if you dont learn it formally

[wispy pike]

rather than making the player suffer by forcing them to time their inputs right when the animations are supposed to take place

[wispy pike]

I'm more of an academic style of programmer so this is actually very helpful

[tender river]

wait i think i misread it
i thought you were writing a fighting game

disregard what i said

[wispy pike]

I haven't found an engine that I fell in love with, most of them either use a proprietary language for coding (blech) are badly optimized (Unreal) or they have awful T&C (Unity)

[wispy pike]

I'm trying to basically implement fighting game controls but for platforming, if that makes sense, so even if it was for a fighting game it's still helpful

[tender river]

[opaque sigil]

formal language is kinda fun

[wispy pike]

like assuming IJKL are action buttons (I = dash, J = jump, K = kick, L = duck) then something like JL would stomp, or L while running puts you into a rolling animation and LL causes you to brake, and LLL causes you to crouch after braking

[olive sable]

these are like 300 euro per stick.

[wispy pike]

of course it's not exactly like that but the gist should not be hard to grasp

[mighty thorn]

You should get a refund

Or give me the spare 128

[tender river]

i think "longest-match" would help here?

what happens is the longest input sequence that matches player input

[olive sable]

i dont mind having 256gb of ram

[tender river]

maybe it would be unintuitive though

[olive sable]

its ECC

[wispy pike]

elliptic curve cryptography?

[mighty thorn]

Nevermind you can keep it

Serverslop

[wispy pike]

no seriously, what does ECC have to do with RAM

my search engines are poisoned rn

[tender river]

error correction codes

[mighty thorn]

It’s a stupid thing for stupid idiots where it saves 4% power in return for being incompatible with consumer motherboards

[tender river]

corruption-resistant ram, used where high ram reliability is required

[wispy pike]

ah makes sense

[mighty thorn]

They are the exact same specs, shape, and connector, but this simple change is why datacenter ram can’t be put into gaming pcs after they upgrade the servers to new ram

Basically the reason for the ram shortage (dramatic oversimplification and also just plain wrong)

[tender river]

anyway
nfa has:

• states
• input transitions (transition from one state to another that you can do for a given input)
• "no-input" transitions (a possibility of going from one state to another "for free", without doing any input)

when you match input, you keep track of current possible states. when the player does an input, you traverse the corresponding input transition from each of your possibilities, and remove that possibility if it doesn't have a transition for this input. after that, you also add all states reachable via no-input transitions to your possibility list.
when you have multiple matches, in regex longest match is used, in your case you may or may not want something different, just make sure there is a way to deterministically pick the state you want if you have multiple option, ideally without assuming the options' order in memory.

dfa also has states and input transitions, but unlike nfa, there are no empty transitions. furthermore, theres only one input transition for each state. this means in dfa, you only have one possibility to keep track of, and you just follow the input transitions.

the good part is, any nfa can be translated into a dfa. dfas typically require more states for representing equivalent possibilities, but in exchange they are super easy to traverse.

also, "input" doesnt have to directly correspond to player input, it may be something like "waited over a second", "bumped into a wall", or "pressed x with a delay between 200 and 300ms"

[leaden crest]

FINITE AUTOMATA SPOTTED

https://tenor.com/view/kasane-teto-machine-love-jamie-paige-gif-12650742235180747735

[prime delta]

How do people even make stuff

Like what did they learn bro

Did they make a run script on Roblox 300 times

And then suddenly make a fucking

[mighty thorn]

This guys would rather do anything than save up spending money for his intercontinental vacation in 2 and a half months

[prime delta]

Artificial corn sorting machine

???

It doesn't make sense chat

[mighty thorn]

What

[prime delta]

I'm so excited

I wanna see the progression

[prime delta]

Programming

[mighty thorn]

Are you asking for tips on trying to learn or are you just philosophizing aloud?

[wispy pike]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-shadow-the-hedgehog-eggman-robotnik-rouge-the-bat-gif-6207809479798299080

[leaden crest]

https://tenor.com/view/supikip-cuayo-trickcal-chibi-go-speaki-gif-4885380320226273380

[patent shard]

interesting

DXVA 2.0 is kind of a really popular hardware decoder?
and black frames rendered, wtf

[leaden crest]

today

I fall into the llama.cpp rabbit hole

Ive decided

no time to start like 11 in the night on a school day

[mighty thorn]

That’s the llama.cpp rabbit hole

[leaden crest]

why is it wet

good that means I can have a slightly less unreasonable bedtime

[mighty thorn]

The point is

Actually hold on

[leaden crest]

no dont worry I get the point

[leaden crest]

i may be stupid but im not dumb

[leaden crest]

wheels on the bus go round

[fickle rain]

fast
powerful
Doesn’t that significantly depend on hardware

[mighty thorn]

The joke is that he is 3 years late

But yes

[leaden crest]

lLAmA cPP Is SUcH a GAmE chANgER oMG

[safe path]

actually the future of ai is already in u, you see, there's this really cool AI framework called the human brain

[nocturne olive]

I do not have the money to buy liquid cooling stuff for my GPUs

Now you know how I feel when my GPU reaches 85C

[safe path]

https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-for-creative-work (btw)

[patent shard]

have you tried undervolting?

[olive sable]

i dont think your pc uses 60mm fans going louder than a vacuum cleaner 😭

[patent shard]

like, idc about the last 10% performance, just give me the cool temps

[nocturne olive]

[nocturne olive]

[amber fractal]

[nocturne olive]

I can't directly undervolt (though apparently they recently added voltage curve control finally to LACT) and the daemon that lets me control that stuff makes my PC unbearably stuttery

[nocturne olive]

My GPU's 3000RPM fan mode sounds basically equivalent

[olive sable]

i can promise you it doesnt

[nocturne olive]

Also I have exceptionally bad luck on binnings, all my chips are like lowest viable bin

[patent shard]

I can with my 4090

[olive sable]

no desktop gpu will outnoise a server fan

[nocturne olive]

Linux remember?

[patent shard]

Linux doesn't allow that? no shot

[nocturne olive]

Mine gets pretty close

[olive sable]

i should undervolt my 4090 and 7900xtxs

[nocturne olive]

It's one of the few actual lacking things on Linux though they are attempting to fix it

[true hemlock]

3000 rpm is nothing compared to centrifugal fans blasting beyond that

[nocturne olive]

I have a 4070Ti and a 3090 that sits idle all day, and because the 3090 is in the way the 4070Ti easily hits 85C under load

[patent shard]

if you want an easy solution you can just do an overclock and power limit
but manually setting it allows a lower voltage per frequency setting and it won't fluctuate all over the place

[olive sable]

the 4090 might have enough juice in the psu for an oc

but both 7900xtx are on a 750W psu

[nocturne olive]

Well time to use experimental undertested software

[patent shard]

well, you are reducing the power
it will run a lower clock and voltage than stock... it's just that they leave headroom available at stock settings

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

That has for a long time been the official way to do an "undervolt" on Linux

My GPUs crash though

Oh well, I guess I just can't do anything to tune my GPUs because they're too garbage binned

[young plover]

I dunno, could probably fake a tornado warning by ramping my janky shower fan up and down

[silent cloak]

Looke like a nuclear reactor

With the cherenkov glow and everything

[young plover]

Two waterproof industrial 24V Noctua NF-A14s hooked up to an outdoor LED power supply, with a 5V converter and $12 chinese PWM controller.

In hindsight the 24V fans were overkill. I keep them at like 35%.
At full blast they can replace the entire room's worth of air in 10 seconds.

[silent cloak]

I just have whatever they installed in the bathroom ceiling

[young plover]

Yeah I just had this dinky window which wasn't enough, but was exactly the right size to stick two 140 mm fans between the window and screen.

Exposed dupont jumpers under the sink. What could go wrong

Fun fact: PC fans use a 25 kHz PWM control
Seems overkill but maybe it's so the off/on doesn't do weird acoustic things? 🤔

[mighty thorn]

He ignored me smh

[olive sable]

ignored what?

[mighty thorn]

This guys would rather do anything than save up spending money for his intercontinental vacation in 2 and a half months

[olive sable]

i have the money for that saved up already

but this is a 6K server i bought for 1850

[nocturne olive]

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

[mighty thorn]

Oh really?

Why don’t you tell the class about all of your epic open sauce plans then

Hmm

[olive sable]

i go there with plane

then be there

hang out

watch steins;gate

do cool shit

[nocturne olive]

That's like 8K in just RAM with current prices

[olive sable]

then go home

[olive sable]

its 1.2K, but close

[nocturne olive]

Finnish prices must be even more brokener then because 32GB ECC DDR4 is like 1K

[olive sable]

depends on if you get them used i guess

its a hmaa8gl7mmr4n-tf

or well, its 4 x hmaa8gl7mmr4n-tf

[nocturne olive]

256GB would be so peak
Motherboard can take 128GB max

RAM prices

[olive sable]

thats 3200, this 256gb is on 2133mhz

[nocturne olive]

How is DDR5 cheaper?

[mighty thorn]

Oh no my steak is too juicy

[olive sable]

cuz cl46

its pretty mid ddr5

[nocturne olive]

Still cheaper

[olive sable]

that one idk

[nocturne olive]

RAM prices are just completely screwed

[mighty thorn]

If I had to guess

Maybe it’s not ecc

[nocturne olive]

ECC is usually even more expensive

[olive sable]

depends

[mighty thorn]

Exactly

Ecc ddr4 vs non ecc ddr5

Idk man

I just work here

[olive sable]

used market ecc is cheaper cuz nobody needs it

[nocturne olive]

[kind nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1486586726012026920/1487184110874136626/Evil_3D_What_The_Fuck.gif

[nocturne olive]

Exactly my reaction

[nocturne olive]

I don't know about you but I'd say 11K for 256GB of RAM is a liiiiitttlleee tiiiinyy bit overpriced

Like what even

[silent cloak]

Shit so inflated u can use it as a bouncy house

[nocturne olive]

This is even cheaper than Sam's 4090

[silent cloak]

Gamers are gonna have to start working the mines to get the raw materials themselves

[nocturne olive]

Restarting Discord and the RAM use drops by 10GB

[silent cloak]

Electron moment

[patent shard]

does Discord in Edge use Electron?

I think so? it's just what it's coded with, right?

[jagged turtle]

wdym discord in edge

[amber fractal]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/389944718879

[glass jetty]

wtf
wrote random letters and got random program open

[amber fractal]

The frick you mean just a cleaning

You don't just clean a CPU

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[nocturne olive]

[young plover]

I don't use the discord desktop app. The webpage at least doesn't seem to have a memory leak problem.

[patent shard]

well, a lot of people use the dedicated app for Discord
I just meant in browser
but, yeah

[jagged turtle]

the answer is no

discord in your browser uses your browser

[patent shard]

not Electron?

[jagged turtle]

well yeah why would you need electron in the browser

your browser already has a renderer and js runtime and all the fancy stuff

so electron is not needed

[mighty thorn]

Overfitting an LLM on discord profiles to see what happens

[vague sonnet]

also you don't have to wait forever for updates to finish

[young plover]

Yeah I always hated the constant updates.

[vague sonnet]

updates tend to be pretty shit too and browser version gets them late so more benefits

[young plover]

Functionality wise I don't even know what's missing beside RPC, which I don't want anyway.

[mighty thorn]

I have 1,200 unique profiles and, via random sample callbacks from 100 epochs, 10,000 fake profiles will be created

[fast pagoda]

mostly it will overfit on discord profiles

[mighty thorn]

Someone get this guy a Turing award

[fast pagoda]

i used 120 cpu cores to come up with that one

[olive sable]

too zoomed in for showing the full 80 threads

[fast pagoda]

lmao

btop uses so much bandwidth if you run it at 100ms

actually

that's insane

it uses like 5-6 Mbps just sending updates at 100ms interval

[fast pagoda]

those old instinct pcie cards have such a funky shape to them

[dull egret]

You think the shape is funky? How so?

Other than the fact I'll need to add a custom fan solution, of course.

I'll probably repaste them, before installing, but I'll also likely drill through the shroud and use aluminium foil tape to duct the airflow from a 140 mm fan or something.

High airflow compressed through the shroud, that way.

[fast pagoda]

just the way that they arent actually rectangles but get larger from left->right

there's a lot of 3d prints out there for jury rigging a 120mm fan on there (goofy looking but)

or a 60mm fan or a blower type unit i see alot

[dull egret]

The top of the card can't be covered near the grill. That's not really an aesthetic design choice.

They have a cut out, bc these cards have a huge set of gold fingers up top, if you have an Infinity Fabric Link, to combine the processing.

I was confused, when I first saw this, bc it looked like a modified second PCIe slot

I hadn't seen those, before, and it seemed way bigger than a Crossfire Bridge, but it's apparently similar in functionality to one

But you can't find a Link for this particular line, anymore.

[fast pagoda]

you can find them

they are just a billion dollars for no reason

and yeah but they could do like nvidia and just cover the fingers for the crossfire bridge

it just gives them a funky look like theyre a bazooka

[opaque wharf]

What kind of cutout is that. How tf did the middle part connect to the rest

[fast pagoda]

there must be a market for making those bridges

the mi100 one doesnt work

i dont think

that one you can find

it's like 800 bucks tho

[dull egret]

I mean, I'm sure SOMEONE is selling them, but I didn't find any.

Not sure getting the bridge is ideal, anyway, though

[fast pagoda]

https://www.exxactcorp.com/AMD-199-999762-E142726124 this is the bridge (this listing i doubt is actually for sale but it's the 2card bridge model)

4card one is model 199-999764

[dull egret]

I'd like the option, but it's probably not worth more than $50-100, unless it connects like 4 cards together.

Combining the processing, but losing the ability to have 32 GB VRAM, doesn't really seem like it'd fit what I'm be doing.

2 cards with 6.7 : 13.4 : 26.8 and 16 GB each, probably do better than a 2-card cluster with 13.4 : 26.8 : 53.6, but with duplicate VRAM, so only 16 GB usable

[dull egret]

Hmmm

[fast pagoda]

the mi100 has a more dramatic staircase effect on the top edge

same reason ofc

[dull egret]

I see
The Mi100 is also like a hot $$$ thou, each

[fast pagoda]

unfortunately, completely different interface

ye

they are supported in rocm still, tho

and are all 32g

considering 32gb 50s are like 600-700 it's kinda worth imo if already rolling cdna ofc

i'd be figuring out a way to get oam mi250x rolling before i did that tho

each one being 2 gpu dies and 128gb hbm

a VERY fun one starin g at me like the green goblin mask https://www.ebay.com/itm/168238478919

1:1:1 fp16/32/64 52.43 tflop in all 3

[obsidian mantle]

what is that second pci anyway? you put some kind of adapter on it and then plug another gpu into it?

oh wait now i see

[dull egret]

Well, you don't need to use ROCm. You can just use OpenCL or even Vulkan kernels.

ROCm is basically just trying to get the card to run like an Nvidia card and do CUDA closer to properly. Don't need it, if not using CUDA for compute

[fast pagoda]

well, i mean, kinda

most everything is kinda cuda 1st that's the main issue, torch.cuda is omnipresent in much compute and being able to hipify is very valuable and/or required for anything where you need something that is shaped like cuBLAS/cuDNN/NCCL you really need rocBLAS/hipBLASLt/MIOpen/RCCL/Composable kernels

vulkan is great for cooperative matrix in inference but you cant replace the aforementioned really for fused attention/flash attention/paged kv/most tensor parallel collective operations such as All-Reduce or All-Gather (this one is ultra important)

there's no real triton w/torch.compile or anything with Inductor that i know of that is very important for cudagraphs

SPIR-V exists for runtime JIT but it doesnt work w/ pytorch

basically anything on the training side of things is a no-go with vulkan still

ot

it is POSSIBLE in that vulkan could do these things if you got like 10 big brains to work on it for months/years but

this is an issue intel runs into as well and theyre kinda going the thanos do it myself way so it'll be interesting to see how that goes and if they bring CL up with it because amd openCL is stinky

given that openCL is literally just the proto-HIP for amd nobody targets it for anything useful

[vague sonnet]

no one uses slowtorch anyway right?

[fast pagoda]

never ever
except when they do (all the time)

[vague sonnet]

we need more real programmers and less pseudo-scientists

[fast pagoda]

anything that gets as deep as ptx (triton etc) it's joever without rocm since that requires amd's llvm backend which is baked into rocm

it's possible (target the kernel driver) - mesa (and radv) both do that to some extent but there's no existing runtime for that that is triton flavoured, nor is there anything to replace the rocm rccl/loader/queueing

doing all this thru vulkan would be such a fucking undertaking it'd be unreal
a good chunk of vulkan work that amd vulkan runtimes use is also riding off the back of nvidia's work on vulkan for their own purposes and likely wouldnt have happened without that

like nv cooperative matrix exxtension for vulkan that turned into the open kroonos version that amd & intel used

it gets much worse the second distributed compute is involved especially, i dont think it'd even be possible without rccl (nccl)

[vague sonnet]

if you can do it with game shaders and local compile why not do that with computes?

should be equivalent, both are gpu code that needs to get compiled

[fast pagoda]

like i said you can do it

shader goes thru same thing w/ shaderc or glslc

[jagged turtle]

this is why I should never let my friend do databasing shit atp

[fast pagoda]

spir-v/glsl doesnt have much of the asm type expression needed for PTX parity though which is what triton ends up relying on to actually specify how the hardware is used so the performance isn't as good as more is left up to the driver which will do whatever

which is fine in that it can do it

but

it's not as good
which means nobody does

which leads to a self reinforcing loop of well it's not as good so target cuda

and then everything else surrounding that targets that follows suit

intel did/does this with sycl & openapi

it's just

still stinky

and without a full vendor tier effort itll never get close enough to really matter in the way that you'd want it to to rely on it for anything where time is money

inference works because there's really not much to it as far as what you have to reimplement in vulkan in comparison, orders of magnitude less, and also it's not a conscious choice as much as a training backend is in that inference as long as you have tokens shooting out of your model people really dgaf in comparison, for that it's like well does it fucking work at all? yes? all g

[vague sonnet]

society if every hardware vendor just supported the same software stack

[fast pagoda]

honestly that's vaguely what amd is doing with rocm because nvidia certainly isn't just offering cuda when that's literally their biggest advantage

[fast pagoda]

is this the one who touches your software and each time you come back with what appears to be nuclear waste where source used to be

[jagged turtle]

yes, and they still use nextjs and praise it like its god (they asked me why they couldn't do preview deployments to cloudflare while maintaining prod on vercel)

[vague sonnet]

oh nah, that guy should be locked out of real code

[fast pagoda]

[jagged turtle]

I've had to review his code multiple times before...

just the act alone makes me feel like my braincells are lost

[rigid snow]

weird, i didn't touch your db

[jagged turtle]

see the thing is

they don't write the code out of necessity, unlike you and your typescript type inference madness
they write the code because they don't know wtf they are doing

[rigid snow]

out of necessity is a stretch

[jagged turtle]

either way

the code is like, absolutely horrid

so much so I just decided to duck out of frontend for that project

[rigid snow]

it shouldn't be that bad, there's only so much you can do with rsc

unless there is global state (not db) in the backend idk

[jagged turtle]

im willing to bet he added a bunch of "use client"s

actually no, scratch that, he probably didn't because he doesn't seem to know what RSCs even are

[rigid snow]

what do you mean, how do you do next then if you don't

[jagged turtle]

I have no fucking clue

atp I'm going to probably ask him to rewrite it in something more sane, or actually utilise/understand nextjs

[lost valley]

Yamete

[glass jetty]

i got email saying if i will not register myself in some list
they will delete my domain i paid to
well, i guess i have to find another domain provider

[vague sonnet]

remove repo access

say you won't look at his code until he gets retrained

[jagged turtle]

I can't, he owns the github org under it

[vague sonnet]

oh nah

[jagged turtle]

I told him I am absolutely not touching frontend until he makes it better (and also stops using nextjs since he so very much wants to deploy to cloudflare for preview but vercel for production)

[jagged turtle]

which provider was this

[trim valve]

yeah name and shame

that sounds scummy

[faint sandal]

i'm gonna need claude to stop killing my investigation

[glass jetty]

if you cant do -cryption stuff without chatbot

dont do it

i tried to use fucking ai to gen code
and it backfired in worst way
it just did what i told it not to do
was lazy for reading documentation

[glass jetty]

reg.ru - russia domain zone
you may not care about it anyway
||i hate this country - this government||

it is region specific shit

i will buy something normal later
cuz i have dollars card now

[jagged turtle]

did you end up filling out that form

[faint sandal]

that's well after i've been accepted yes

i'm already enrolled in the CVP

[vague sonnet]

never met a russian that was happy to live there

[jagged turtle]

[kind fable]

I do not speak Japanese but i understood that

[floral hawk]

Hey guys. I have news. I visited. . . a week ago maybe? Looking for guidance? Zero is now discord integrated, has OCR and a rag memory system. She's rock solid foundationally.

<333

[dull egret]

It's bad to use encryption you don't understand

It's REALLY bad to try to write encryption stuff, if you don't understand the mathematics behind it

It's straight dumb to ask generative AI to write encryption stuff that you don't understand

It's full-on batshit to ask a generative AI you don't even run locally to write you up complex AES encryption stuff you don't understand

[faint sandal]

no one's reimplementing aes dawg

stop making weird assumptions about a screenshot you've seen a tiny section of

you don't even know what I'm doing

it's literally just calling python's standard crypto modules

that's it

[dull egret]

But do you know how it works, and can pinpoint what is happening behind the scenes, only receiving generated code from an AI you're not even running yourself?

[faint sandal]

yeah??? it's literally just chunking AES GCM decryption for me

[dull egret]

Then why do you need an AI to write that up?

[faint sandal]

because the chunking part is annoying to write on my own

are you just trying to pick fights for no reason

[dull egret]

Write it once, store it on a local repo (or even upload it), and include it whenever you need it

[jagged turtle]

probably yes

[faint sandal]

the decryption is only against this specific case of malware family...

you don't even know what I look at normally stop judging what I'm doing based on a portion of a screenshot that's not even relevant to what you're screaming about

[trim valve]

it's always the nn chatters

[jagged turtle]

-# do I count as one...

[trim valve]

you have more messages here than nn lol

[jagged turtle]

never realised that

ig it makes sense tho

I did start here first and then went into nn gradually

[dull egret]

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/claude-powered-ai-coding-agent-deletes-entire-company-database-in-9-seconds-backups-zapped-after-cursor-tool-powered-by-anthropics-claude-goes-rogue

Nah, just saw some fun news semi-related to this.

inb4: Entire file store or all records get 1-way encrypted, and all is lost forever

[faint sandal]

no one is running anything it's generating autonomously

it's through the chat interface

I look at the code before it's even run

[jagged turtle]

ok I can't lie tho that shit is funny as hell

[faint sandal]

are you being weird for the sake of being weird

[jagged turtle]

apparently that's a hard assumption these days

[dull egret]

IKR!! Claude nukes ALL the data AND the backups!

[fiery canopy]

🍿

[faint sandal]

I don't even have any agents on my computer

it's like you read one thing on the internet and assume everyone else using anything adjacent must be doing the same thing

obnoxious as hell dude

[jagged turtle]

pretty toxic too

[fiery canopy]

^

[faint sandal]

about as obnoxious as this tiny chicken sandwich that I just got

[jagged turtle]

like I get you hate some stuff. I hate some stuff too

[faint sandal]

why is it so small

[jagged turtle]

but you don't have to go nuclear just because they are doing something you disagree with

[faint sandal]

they don't even have the full context of what I'm doing so i don't even understand the disagreement

[jagged turtle]

inflation

[faint sandal]

oh yes having an AI reverse engineer an encryption used by a malware and have it write a python decryption equivalent is sooo bad what are you doing booo

that shit would have taken me at least an hour to figure out how to decrypt the chunks on my own

[trim valve]

but azaka what if you acccidentally deploy it to production and it charges you 300 claudebucks

[faint sandal]

not my Claude bucks

[jagged turtle]

[faint sandal]

[jagged turtle]

I have now sandwiched

[ember hound]

square bread is overrated

we need nuroBaguette

[jagged turtle]

what's a good emoji for that

[kindred perch]

i was trying to paste a image

then my paste wasnt working

I got so crazy I was checking my keyboard

then I got to know im not eligible to put images in this server

[vague sonnet]

good stuff

[fast pagoda]

cmd: misinfo32

yeah pretty much

[fast pagoda]

about 200 posts

sufficiently spaced (there';s a cd)

you are close

[kindred perch]

[vague sonnet]

do

you

mean

like

this?

[fast pagoda]

yeah that's the one

[true hemlock]

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/claude-powered-ai-coding-agent-deletes-entire-company-database-in-9-seconds-backups-zapped-after-cursor-tool-powered-by-anthropics-claude-goes-rogue

[rigid snow]

so many questions, like why would you give your agent the prod db

“NEVER F**KING GUESS! — and that's exactly what I did. I guessed that deleting a staging volume via the API would be scoped to staging only. I didn't verify. I didn't check if the volume ID was shared across environments. I didn't read Railway's documentation on how volumes work across environments before running a destructive command.”

The PocketOS boss puts greater blame on Railway’s architecture than on the deranged AI agent for the database’s irretrievable destruction. Briefly, the cloud provider's API allows for destructive action without confirmation, it stores backups on the same volume as the source data, and “wiping a volume deletes all backups.” Crane also points out that CLI tokens have blanket permissions across environments.

i mean yeah that is stupid

[fast pagoda]

NEVER F**KING GUESS!

deserved for having a cringe ass instructions md

my music stopped and i got this

ok

[maiden geyser]

does this "do not hallucinate" stuff even work

[fast pagoda]

i dont know

i would assume

it's cope

[vague sonnet]

how many more incidents before they learn the lesson that LLMs are not the right tool for any logic related tasks

[flint dome]

the only one that slightly works is to tell it to be not sycophantic after having to tell it that multiple ways in a roundabout fashion and even then it forgets that a couple sentences later

[fast pagoda]

barely even that really, unsupervised "agents" are the real issue with infinity perms

[true hemlock]

"<insert random task prompt here>. do not hallucinate, act like an AGI, act like you're sentient, be a super intelligent AI, do not make mistakes"

[fast pagoda]

i would shit mypants just knowing one of those nutjobs was just running on my system and doing what ever the fuck

without me watching

[true hemlock]

they're only for sequential logic text based task only

[fast pagoda]

build rocm

dont mess up

[flint dome]

and they said letting an intern loose on the company db would be bad

[kind fable]

AI likely cannot understand GIFs

[vague sonnet]

agents is just a self-prompting LLM system with exposed APIs to other software

[wispy pike]

what gif is it?

[vague sonnet]

so agentic approaches inherit all LLM issues

[flint dome]

your first problem was using gemini for anything

[kind fable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/601432397602357258/1499044366239404052/persona-frieren.gif

[kind fable]

Gemini is fine

[flint dome]

i would like to disagree

it is so genuinely stupid I am amazed at how they call it an ai

[kind fable]

indeed Gemini is Gemini
sorry for my mistake and thanks for pointing it out, i'll make sure to be correct in the future

[vague sonnet]

they are text generators
and languages aren't an accurate representation of logic

[flint dome]

no problem,we're all here for the ride anyways

[woven temple]

humans have rapidly dragged down what is considered intelligence lately, that's how

[kind fable]

i mean intellingence is anything except being <insert what you don't like here>

[flint dome]

true.... bad data means bad output

[kind fable]

no, data is unrelated to output

we could have perfect output with bad data

[fast pagoda]

in the case of an autoregressive model the data it generates prior is directly attended to and influences the next outputs

[kind fable]

just like you can randomly guess a valid result

[fast pagoda]

so it kinda depends

hyperparams and whatnot mean non deterministic as well so throw the lotto in

[flint dome]

I meant as in the data gemini is taking in recently on top of its good data previously trained before poisons the previous one

also gemini sucks, idk why but some people say internal politics, som say plain built stupid

[fast pagoda]

gemini cannot into tools

which is like

super shit

[woven temple]

that is a very poor argument to make
I am not a mathematician because I can randomly guess. even if it is randomly correct, I am still bad at maths

[kind fable]

i know i know i'm saying nonsense

trying to imitate AI

gaslighting is hard

how is AI so good at it

[fast pagoda]

you are allowed to criticize them without rubberbanding so far in the opposite direction that you imply that an llm is somehow less reliable than a monkey typing in a terminal

[kind fable]

LLMs are relatively good for their intended purpose
next token prediction

[fast pagoda]

more likely to cause damage sure cuz of their competence combined with incompetence but still

[vague sonnet]

it outputs text without thinking
ignorance can be very similar to confidence

and it got trained on convincingly sounding data

[kind fable]

i need to train more

[vague sonnet]

so even if it swaps the relevant words it will still sounds about right

[kind fable]

one day i'll be a professional gaslighter

[woven temple]

we have enough of those

[kind fable]

i mean it's what makes the most money

[woven temple]

it was, but now the market is oversaturated

[kind fable]

sadly programmer isn't a job of the future anymore at least that's what they say

[vague sonnet]

damn how did that message get automoded

wild

[kind fable]

classic automod

i should make a program to guess automod rules

shouldn't be too hard

just need to find the optimized string

[vague sonnet]

the opposite
we see a lot of LLM failures
and the "success stories" are all fabricated
once the bubble pops the demand will go crazy high

[kind fable]

shhh trust me bro GitHub will get back the 9 they just need more AI

they don't even have 89% anymore

just look at that lmao
https://mrshu.github.io/github-statuses/

[simple sky]

I told it to punish me but holy shit

[tender river]

that syntax annoying

just write (\x.(\y z.(x z)(y z))(\x.x y))(\y w.y w) smh

[simple sky]

It is, but it’s the syntax being used on the exam

[tender river]

my condolences

[simple sky]

I love racket

[tender river]

it isnt racket code (but it could be code for some dsl written in racket)

in the same way 5 + 6 could be c++ code, but isnt necessarily c++ code

[simple sky]

We built the logic in class. app and lam are structs, that’s why it looks like this. I get what you mean though. It could be any functional language.

Hey so for the internal “x” I wouldn’t do the initial beta reduction on it because it’s protected by its own lambda “x” right?

[tender river]

i reduced it to ||\z.z(z y)||

[simple sky]

Imma see if I get that

[opaque wharf]

So I have come to the point where I am curious about all of this AI coding stuff. Can someone give me the resource to read the breakdown of the current state of AI coding? Like, what is the difference between agentic coding vs llm chat vs autocomplete and all that. What actually is tool use, mcp, harness, etc.

Because I want to actually understand wtf it actually is

[opaque sigil]

that's a loaded question

[opaque wharf]

Which is why I asked for resource on where to read all of that

[opaque sigil]

idk if there is one singular resource

[opaque wharf]

A lot of source is fine. After all, most of the software readme and wiki doesn't help much. All they really explain is how to use the tools, how to integrate stuff, how to host them, etc.

Take vscode copilot which is where they annoy me. What is it called when I interact with the chat on the right? Does that constitute as agentic coding? Or autocomplete? Or just plain chat?

[opaque sigil]

you see that's the funny bit, copilot does it all

[opaque wharf]

[opaque sigil]

autocomplete is inside the editor, the llm has the current file(s) in its context and its job is to generate a snippet at a time

what you're referring to as "llm chat" is basically just chatgpt, a chatbot

[glass flower]

well.. the autocomplete doesn't has the whole file in its context. normall its a bit before the cursor and then a bit after. with a <|fim_cursor|> or something where the cursor is and then it generate the thing between. the newer ones also get edit history as context thats how it can predict what needs to change next

the llm chat is basically just that. chat but don't do thing

[opaque wharf]

What about tool calling? I understand about MCP and RAG but how does the model actually utilize those? And what about harness?

[simple sky]

I got that!

[glass flower]

agents are things that then can also do things using tools. and tools are just function calls

[opaque wharf]

<|fim_suffix|>

[glass flower]

[opaque wharf]

Right, but how do the models actually interact with the function call? How do they decide when to do it?

[opaque sigil]

they're trained to know

[glass flower]

the output things like <tool> </tool> and then the chat interface detects that

the same way reasoning works

[opaque sigil]

think of tool calling as the model creating a json request and sending it off somewhere

[opaque wharf]

So it's random?

[glass flower]

there is also a chat template that controls it a bit... but its what they are trained on.. so not really random

[opaque wharf]

Well, random in the sense how the model sample the dpf

[opaque wharf]

Pdf

[opaque sigil]

at the end of the day it's all random technically sure

heavily skewed towards the desired outcome of whoever trained the model tho

[glass flower]

https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-GGUF if you go onto a model site you can then look at the chat template under the "use this model" button. that is a template that is the populated by the inference engine. like llama.cpp and the like and it uses it to parse things like reasoning tool calling etc.

[opaque wharf]

Alright, my brain can't comprehend how is that okay tho. Like, people just accept "good enough" so last then, what is harness?

[glass flower]

the chat interface, and the system prompts basically

the thing that directs the llm

opencode, claude code, github copilot cli, gemini cli, codex cli

[opaque sigil]

you can't turn something fundamentally non-deterministic into something 100% deterministic, but you can get surprisingly close

[glass flower]

are all harnesses that handle things slightly different. give different tools to models and different systemprompts

[opaque wharf]

Maybe it is very confusing to me because the interface to system prompt and the prompt itself is just arbitrary text. But well, I think I got the gist of it now

[opaque sigil]

it's not arbitrary text

[glass flower]

it is just arbitrary text

[opaque sigil]

i mean it depends on what you mean with arbitrary i guess

someone chose this and that's just kinda it

fuck

[opaque wharf]

Arbitrarily language-like

[opaque sigil]

my meeting tomorrow got pushed from 15:00 to 11:00

[opaque wharf]

Look at the bright side. The meeting ends sooner. Unless....

[opaque sigil]

it means i have to get up at 8am instead of 12pm

it used to always be at 12 or 13 but the prof has a lecture from 12-14

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/ouvindo-vozes-as-vozes-maluca-gata-enlouquecendo-gif-11657861732475987606

[opaque sigil]

densely populated scatter plots make brain happy

[nocturne olive]

What does this plot represent?

[opaque sigil]

6GB worth of benchmarks

pareto front for a data structure i'm working on with a parameter sweep

[fast pagoda]

agentic lets the model go crazy style make itself a task list, run arbitrary commands & tools for web fetch etc, make file changes, move around on the system on its own, and stop when it "thinks" (it doesnt think if i dont mention this i will never hear the end of it) the task given is done or it cant continue it'll report back
generally best left to a frontier model as it can cause serious damage to your system if it's fucked up (although the more capable the model, the more capable at fucking wrecking your shit it is when it does fuck up, and it will eventually do some goofy ahh shit if you aren't careful)

you can sandbox them and such but they can get around it (lol) and never 100% safe but god damn is it nice for something if you want to have it smash its head against something for you that it cant really screw up too bad

tab completions (fim_suffix is from this - fill in the middle of a code string is what theyre trained on, many coding models support this alongside normal behavior) are like intellisense if you've ever used that which has been around forever, just 'smarter' aka much more contextually aware

[opaque sigil]

https://zed.dev/blog/zed-1-0

[fast pagoda]

nowaying

warp is oss and zed is 1.0

[fast pagoda]

bubble popping boys

[brisk laurel]

Only 1 voted

[opaque sigil]

you'll know it's officially joever when zig 1.0 comes out

[mighty thorn]

God I love democracy

[fast pagoda]

brave is chromium

the poll is flaw

answer is vivaldi

if choomium

[brisk laurel]

Not mine but a user in the neurosama Reddit made this using an acer feature

[fast pagoda]

bullyme senpai boot

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I think I'll stick with intellisense

[fast pagoda]

much better to at least start with that if ever planning on messing with an agent

understand more about what kind of things the model tends to want to do

the only thing i ever trust to agent mode is building rocm

[opaque wharf]

Ohhh, changing bootloader image. I miss that feature

"The env is fricked. Time to nuke."
*remove france language pack

[fast pagoda]

i mean, that's based

[kind fable]

what the flip is that ?

[fast pagoda]

gpt 5.slop giving trivia

flash card gen

@sick owl

kek\

[sick owl]

Oh you got one too huh

Sweet

Mine's also on the way atm

[fast pagoda]

i had forgor i grabbed one when i saw the exchange rate

got a stackchan and the remote

[fast pagoda]

gonna be me soon

tfw you go to tag a toast

[fast pagoda]

stackchan is a lil agent

[opaque wharf]

Our numbers have dwindled... Sad times

[fast pagoda]

im gonna devolved into a bred

[glass flower]

maybe i should give it a shot again... i just can't be bothered moving over my vim keybinds to zed

[fast pagoda]

zed has a vim plugin doesnt it

vim moment

[opaque sigil]

it's native

[glass flower]

it does but you need to reconfigure your settings... with nvim and vscode it just runs a nvim as a background process so everything stays the same

[fast pagoda]

if theyre saved in vscode wouldnt it import them from vscode on first start

[glass flower]

its not saved in vscode

[fast pagoda]

maybe they arent because of the way it does that

yeah

well

skill issue

forgot to use emacs

[glass flower]

the nvim extension in vscode just relays your inputs to nvim and nvim then back to vscode

so your normal nvim config just works in vscode

[opaque wharf]

That sounds jank af

[fast pagoda]

LMAO what

[glass flower]

it works really well tho

[fast pagoda]

got that virus hijack hook

[opaque wharf]

Of course it would...

But god damn

[fast pagoda]

in awe that defender doesnt hate that

[opaque sigil]

there's another extension that works differently but iirc that one is also kinda meh

[glass flower]

i'm sure its better than that. but it just runs nvim in the background and that loads your config and plugins. idk how it exactly communicates tho

that was just my guess

[fast pagoda]

i will assume that's how it works

forever

[rough bloom]

not really

neovim is meant to be embeddable

has a whole protocol and stuff

[opaque wharf]

That's... weird but ok

[fast pagoda]

i mean emacs is an eldritch lisp thing

editors be out there

[warped narwhal]

We need to all go back to editing in ed

[fast pagoda]

i still use nano in terminal

if im in terminal

[warped narwhal]

If I just need to add text to a file I just use cat

[fast pagoda]

only use that if i am very confident

lol

[warped narwhal]

LFS taught me it and it's been great for when I need to append to one file over ssh

[flint dome]

as always my hate for windows 10 iot ltsc core is never unproven wrong

[glass flower]

alright i got zed to recognize my most important keybinds. space w for save and caps for escape

[flint dome]

another machine failed while printing my bill at the grocery

[fast pagoda]

win11 > win10 fite me

[flint dome]

had to fucking scan it all again

weird cobol program

(yes I know it was probably java but any old ass program i call a cobol program)

[prime raven]

zed's cool and all but the one time I tried it, I found out they used a broken verson of Haxe's syntax highlighter instead of the main vscode one that they made so 👎 turned me off from using it lol

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[glass flower]

makes sense. i just wanna try it due to the 1.0 release

i'll probably stay with nvim

[prime raven]

understandable, it looks quite nice other than that issue. And yeah it's hard to get away from terminal editors, I personally use Helix and it's hard to use anything else lol

[fast pagoda]

"this will take several minutes to download"

god FUCKING dammitr

you never know when you're gonna get ganked by torch man

[prime raven]

you can't escape!!! I love having an AMD card and I accidentally mess up a command and end up pulling in torch with all the CUDA crap 😛

[opaque sigil]

this is unfortunately unavoidable as long as vscode doesn't use treesitter

[prime raven]

well the thing is, zed supports textmates!

[opaque sigil]

do they?

[fast pagoda]

whoops wrong dependency #10984712349081809 decided to require all of pytorch and cudann

[prime raven]

yep!

I figure they added the haxe plugin before they supported textmate though

but I don't really know enough about zed or their plugin system to modify it to use the vscode one and make a PR frankly

[fast pagoda]

only reason kden is that davinci is blindge

[opaque sigil]

https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/23949

[glass flower]

but isn't tree-sitter fine tho?

[prime raven]

OH

I swear they'd PRed it or something...

[fast pagoda]

didnt tree sitter get yeeted into the sun

[opaque sigil]

no that was only some neovim plugin

[fast pagoda]

o

[glass flower]

neovim still uses tree-sitter and that will never change

[prime raven]

it's kinda ridiculous though because for Haxe, there's literally only like 2 options. there's the "main" textmate one that Haxe themselves made (even github uses it for haxe syntax highlighting) and then there's the treesitter one which is broken.

What's hilarious is someone reported a bug on it, the dev answered "oh sorry about that, i'll fix that" then didn't do anything.. then A YEAR LATER" he "assigned" the bug to himself, then another year later, NOTHING?????

[glass flower]

the plugin you are talking about was mostly used as a repository for tree-sitter parsers. it isn't really needed in the end

[opaque sigil]

it is but vscode is by far the most targeted editor and it doesn't use it so in an ideal world you'd support their format too to make people's life a lot easier when it comes to making plugins

[prime raven]

I mean treesitter is perfectly fine, it's just that the "main" haxe treesitter syntax highlighter is broken lol

[glass flower]

[prime raven]

I did manage to mostly fix it with AI help (can't understand regex for the life of me) but it wasn't perfect so I didn't wanna PR

the issue in question is that if you use a // within a string (aka a url), it comments out the rest of the line (just visually of course) the issue with this though is that now in the highlighter, your 2nd quote is now gone for your string, so whenever you use another quote, it will turn the entire thing green lmao

[opaque sigil]

that sucks

[prime raven]

the hacky way to fix it is at the end of the line after the ;, you literally just do // " so that it "ends" the string and doesn't make your entire code green LOL

[opaque sigil]

yeah nah just use another editor

[prime raven]

exactly lol I just switched to cursor for haxe 😂 I like using Helix but I don't think they support textmate sadly so can't use it

I COULD also attempt to properly fix it but treesitter stuff is AWFUL to try to parse, it's just a giant ball of regex and ugh...

still cracks me up though that the dev said "oh sorry i'll fix that", said nothing for a year, assigned the bug to himself, then again said nothing for another year lmao

I'll never bash on a guy for not having time to fix his software or etc. but why assign the bug to yourself a year later if you aren't even gonna fix it?? 😭

[opaque sigil]

[prime raven]

really goes to show the chokehold VScode has on the market though, I mean even github uses Haxe's textmate highlighting

[glass flower]

you know the beauty of open source is that you can add the feature yourself

[prime raven]

Very true! Too bad I don't know enough regex to fix it fully :(

I thought i'd fixed it with AI however it either revealed or introduced another slight issue with highlighting, so meh...

[kind fable]

regex

who has summoned me

[opaque sigil]

https://hardenedbsd.org/article/shawn-webb/2026-04-26/hardenedbsd-officially-radicle

[prime raven]

me, are you the regex master? if so I beseech you good sir...

[kind fable]

i like regex, i'll try to get a license at some point
https://regexlicensing.org/

but no genuinely i like regex, tell me if there is smth i can do

[prime raven]

there is, actually! https://github.com/vantreeseba/tree-sitter-haxe the main Haxe treesitter highligher sadly has an issue with strings and // in the highlighting. (as stated in https://github.com/vantreeseba/tree-sitter-haxe/issues/53)

[glass flower]

you scare me

[prime raven]

Yes, regex people scare me too... I have a friend that does the regex wordle for fun...

[glass flower]

regex

[prime raven]

https://regexle.com/ in case anyone is curious of this abomination...

[prime raven]

https://github.com/vantreeseba/tree-sitter-haxe/compare/main...xenanthropy:tree-sitter-haxe:fix-quote-highlighting This was my previous attempt to fix - it fixes the // within double quotes issue, however it still has some issue with single quotes, I forget what happens though... (as i've since switched to the vscode plugin due to this problem)

[kind fable]

i once made a URL parser and transformer for Youtube with pure regex
why ? because i could
sure i should have asked myself if i should
but i didn't

[prime raven]

I asked my regex master friend (who famously hand-wrote a like 100 line long regex) and they said "yeah I have zero clue what's going on there" so RIP

[glass flower]

[kind fable]

quite fun honestly

[prime raven]

INSANITY

[kind fable]

tho i wouldn't do it each day, it's quite pointless

i should try to get a 1m- one tho

[prime raven]

well I could see it helping someone stay "fresh" on all the different regex... thingies

cuz sadly if you don't use it you lose it

[olive sable]

Took a month. But my new ram is finally getting shipped back to me

[kind fable]

Not really it's too small

And it doesn't use advanced stuff

[prime raven]

oh is it? don't they have giant ones? I saw my friend do a like 12 size one

[kind fable]

Oh maybe

That's not the daily challenges tho

[prime raven]

ah, true

[kind fable]

I'd need to look again

[prime raven]

DEAR LORD

[kind fable]

Even there it's bad

[prime raven]

you can make it as big as you want

[kind fable]

It doesn't have advanced stuff

[kind fable]

Max 32

[prime raven]

well frankly even this big is maddening...

[kind fable]

I'll show you a parser i made with regex

It's part of the subject of my bachelor thesis

[fast pagoda]

what the fucky wucky

[prime raven]

I am a regex GOD NOW

(sorry for leaking today's 1x answer everyone)

[glass flower]

how does this even work

[prime raven]

through the demonic power magic of regex

[kind fable]

Actually can't share it, company leak

And the stuff in my thesis doesn't contain the exact code

[prime raven]

hah you're good no worries

[kind fable]

But yeah no regex is cool

Actually i may have an early version of the youtube IRL parser with regex

[glass jetty]

im not doing this shit

[glass jetty]

idk that look clear for me how it works
i have no idea how to solve it tho

[prime raven]

well | is the easiest cuz it just means "or"

[glass flower]

i actually solved todays one

[kind fable]

Early horrible version of it

find: (?:^|(?<=[\s,:;/&]))https:\/\/www\.youtube\.com\/(?:shorts\/|watch\?)(?:(?:v=)?(?<id0>[\w-]{11,})|(?<timestamp0>t=\d+[a-z]?)|(?:(?:[^\Wvt]|[\w-]{2,})=[\w-]+))(?:(?:(?<and0>&)v=)(?<id1>[\w-]{11,})|(?<and1>&)(?<timestamp1>t=\d+[a-z]?)|(?:&(?:[^\Wvt]|[\w-]{2,})=[\w-]+)+?)??(?:(?:(?<and2>&)v=)(?<id2>[\w-]{11,})|(?<and3>&)(?<timestamp2>t=\d+[a-z]?)|(?:&(?:[^\Wvt]|[\w-]{2,})=[\w-]+)+?)??(?:(?:(?<and4>&)v=)(?<id3>[\w-]{11,})|(?<and5>&)(?<timestamp3>t=\d+[a-z]?)|(?:&(?:[^\Wvt]|[\w-]{2,})=[\w-]+)+?)??(?:(?:(?<and6>&)v=)(?<id4>[\w-]{11,})|(?<and7>&)(?<timestamp4>t=\d+[a-z]?)|(?:&(?:[^\Wvt]|[\w-]{2,})=[\w-]+)+?)??(?:(?:(?<and8>&)v=)(?<id5>[\w-]{11,})|(?<and9>&)(?<timestamp5>t=\d+[a-z]?)|(?:&(?:[^\Wvt]|[\w-]{2,})=[\w-]+)+?)??(?:(?=[\s.?!,:;/])|$)
replace: https://youtu.be/$<id0>$<id1>$<id2>$<id3>$<id4>$<id5>$<and0>$<and1>$<and2>$<and3>$<and4>$<and5>$<and6>$<and7>$<and8>$<and9>$<timestamp0>$<timestamp1>$<timestamp2>$<timestamp3>$<timestamp4>$<timestamp5>

[prime raven]

this is foul

[kind fable]

This is cursed

And exploit URL behavior

Very early version

[rough bloom]

from the regexes on each "line" you can determine what strings are possible on each line, and from that, which characters are possible in each cell
3 regexes apply to each cell, so you take the subset of characters that would match all of them for that cell
if this subset is only one character, that's the solution for that cell
repeat until solved

[kind fable]

Actually the subset always only allow for a single character somewhere

You shouldn't ever guess

I never had to

[glass flower]

its regex crosswords

[rough bloom]

ye that what I said

[rough bloom]

pretty much

[quasi storm]

[glass flower]

ye

[rough bloom]

ow

[prime raven]

yeah I saw that, felt like regex was personally insulting me for not being able to solve it...

[glass flower]

i solved it

[kind fable]

If mods listen i propose a community event which consist in speedrunning the 32x

[prime raven]

wonder how long it'd take neuro to do it

[glass flower]

i can't even put the whole 32x on my screen and i have no idea how to view it properly

[glass flower]

neuro would be a lot faster than any of us.

[prime raven]

I mean with her wordle track record... 😂

[kind fable]

Lemme doubt

[glass flower]

someone make a integration for it

[opaque sigil]

wtf did you do

[kind fable]

Tell me how to

[prime raven]

integration that just queries gemini

[glass flower]

the neuro-sdk

[kind fable]

It's normal

I'm discussing it in vcord

Discord is trying to change codeblocks

And it's breaking vcord shikicodeblocks

[opaque sigil]

[kind fable]

Just click on another channel and back here

[opaque sigil]

yeah nah it stays like this regardless, oh well

[amber fractal]

How are we managing to break something that just worked

[kind fable]

Because discord do changes

[prime raven]

classic discord "flinging crap at wall and hope it sticks"

[kind fable]

And here in this case i think they lazy load something to hot swap something or smth like that

And vcord doesn't expect it

So tried to hijack too early

Or some shit like that

[opaque sigil]

guess i'll keep an eye out on that

good thing i didn't completely get rid of the nix overlay and only commented it out for the future

[kind nimbus]

Lol Back to 5 mins

[fiery canopy]

Indeed
poor ved

[prime raven]

I can't even imagine how complicated neuro's code is at this point, what's the LoC he said last time?

like 80k or something?

[fiery canopy]

He rewrote it so idek

[prime raven]

well that's what I mean

[fiery canopy]

I believe the 80k was for old codebase iirc but I may be wrong

[kind nimbus]

Must be extremely complicated i would imagine

[fiery canopy]

I can imagine

[prime raven]

a stream or two ago he said the rewrite is at like 80k lines already

[fiery canopy]

GG

Tbf considering its typescript dosent particularly supprise me

I have done something alot less complex with AIs in typescript that shits like 30k lines. I dread to imagine what the fuck the number is for that codebase

[prime raven]

is that confirmed? I figured she'd be mostly python (for the AI stuff at least)

then C# for the unity stuff

[kind nimbus]

It's typescript?

I think the twitch description says the ai backend is python

[fiery canopy]

The whole point of the rewrite was to move off of C# , to typscript for alot ofit
Theres a few clips

Iswtg

[sage crag]

wrr

[fiery canopy]

Cas of what he said in the hollow knight streams a while back