programming

[fast pagoda]

remember when everyone was convinced that llms and ai art models and shit would begin to explode due to training on their outputs

[tender river]

that me

https://tenor.com/view/suisei-星街すいせい-ホロライブ-hoshimachi-suisei-hololive-gif-4039965839704018942

[sage crag]

nrr

blu

[glad path]

yeah

[sage crag]

[glad path]

its not happening yet

[fast pagoda]

that konii and chay

[sage crag]

[tender river]

ether ye

[fast pagoda]

venerable wrr :o

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

cheers

[tender river]

cheers

[fast pagoda]

cheers for fears

[sage crag]

ethernet

[fast pagoda]

beers for niers

[fast pagoda]

pasture raised ethernt

[tender river]

https://tenor.com/view/botan-kamiina-fully-blossoms-when-drunk-上伊那ぼたん酔へる姿は百合の花-上伊那ぼたん-kamiina-botan-yoeru-sugata-wa-yuri-no-hana-wine-gif-13551591755831551284

[sage crag]

boton

[fast pagoda]

bocchi

[sage crag]

koamaa

[fast pagoda]

[tender river]

[sage crag]

repnmoqvsq

rcx mov dword

[mighty thorn]

Oh

[sage crag]

ŕ

⁵

[tender river]

7/26/16

d/y/m

[sage crag]

gʻ

[tender river]

time traveler

[sage crag]

woaw

[mighty thorn]

Why does ur twitter have American date format

Ur supposed to hate that or smth

[sage crag]

meoe

[fast pagoda]

that's the homegrown crust of a meme well traveled

[sage crag]

jpig

piggie

[fast pagoda]

paypig

[sage crag]

🐷

lazy

[mighty thorn]

Man I sure do love it here in #incoherent-babbling

[sage crag]

nrr

plos

[tender river]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-vtuber-3d-head-turn-concerned-gif-15495186653811856266

[sage crag]

buhflipcheer

brook

gurgle <- brook

food

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1464001170673766450.webp?size=48

[sage crag]

rodata

.

align

bss

section head

text

[tender river]

cooperative or preemptive

[sage crag]

binart

[glass jetty]

i just heard

ubuntu rewrote base gnu tools on rust

and used proprietary license

[sage crag]

cipher cipher

[tender river]

nrr

permissive

[sage crag]

2perm4u

[tender river]

not gpl

[sage crag]

noglp

mitapache

[opaque wharf]

Sam having a server

[glass jetty]

basically proprietary
idk
if it is not gnu for anything linux-wide

[sage crag]

glu

les

pita pata

rrrun

[olive sable]

well you see, i have found a 4090 for sale for 2000 euro.
but, said 4090 just so happens to have a server with 2x Intel Xeon Gold 6138 and 128GB of ram attached for free

[sage crag]

jnu

piblic lucense

aw baby loam

atpat

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1469457649970974927.webp?size=48

[sage crag]

warm

[opaque wharf]

"No officer, I just pick up this rope. It's just so happen that the goat followed"

[sage crag]

phphph

goat free will

can leav

lalalala

[olive sable]

well, im buying the server with 4090 for 1850, and then im selling the 4090 for 2000.
and then i have a free server

[sage crag]

wakeyw

noo

nooue

notnot

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1394006198491152445.webp?size=48&animated=true

[sage crag]

🐧

[olive sable]

konii seems delerious

[sage crag]

mdy

[sage crag]

m*d&y

oʻgh

[olive sable]

meow

[sage crag]

ufgly

[opaque wharf]

Afunyun ugly?

[tender river]

m^d^y

[olive sable]

sometimes i wonder if konii suffers from strokes, or if this is just her

[sage crag]

gu

konected 2 nederland

[olive sable]

konected?

[opaque wharf]

You better watch out Sam

Konii is 1 step away from Belgium

[olive sable]

making a c into a k does not make it dutch

[sage crag]

disobedient

[opaque wharf]

It makes it KDE

[olive sable]

verbonden aan nederland

[tender river]

sam eat more glue

[fast pagoda]

idiot salesmn

[olive sable]

ran out of glue

[opaque wharf]

I forgot about those lmao

[tender river]

bnuuuy

rrrr

[sage crag]

not apple

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

good morning night city

[fast pagoda]

what the fuark

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

SAMURAIIIII

SMAURAAAIIII

[sage crag]

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

samuel ary

[sage crag]

sam delud

delulu

[olive sable]

dont laugh at my mental ilness

thats mean

[sage crag]

samuel simple

[olive sable]

fair

[sage crag]

phuu

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Man, time to sleep

[sage crag]

alita battle angle

[olive sable]

goodnigh incompuable

[sage crag]

jelly toast

[olive sable]

i have bread with choco

not jelly

[sage crag]

i hav

baguet

and loam

[tender river]

careful

[sage crag]

nrr baguet nr rwx

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

rw bagyet

[fast pagoda]

shreg

bagnyett

[sage crag]

stew

[olive sable]

is konii also incomprehensible to non ESL people?

[fast pagoda]

she's extremely comprehensible in all languages

[sage crag]

eslf

elfs

[fast pagoda]

approved for all ages too

[sage crag]

waow

[olive sable]

im not an elf

[sage crag]

wrr.ld

fals

europ

[fast pagoda]

rated E for konii

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

konii is rated A for ADHD

[sage crag]

rate b form

[fast pagoda]

rated II for konII

[sage crag]

oh

rote

[fast pagoda]

the knights that say nii

[olive sable]

if konII, where is konI ?

[sage crag]

kni<-

[fast pagoda]

ate

[sage crag]

knife<--

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

lutel

[tender river]

🔪 <-

[fast pagoda]

🦃

turkii

[sage crag]

constantinopole

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

constantinii

[sage crag]

lutel

[fast pagoda]

[sage crag]

kick

kick

[fast pagoda]

[olive sable]

dont kick

[tender river]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HFuCQfEW4AA32Nq.webp

rghhh

[sage crag]

sha

[fast pagoda]

good thing im not signed in to use them then microfost

[olive sable]

sh

[tender river]

shaw when

[olive sable]

shawl

[sage crag]

þ

[fast pagoda]

thicc

[fast pagoda]

þicc

[sage crag]

istanbul

consntantijnople

[fast pagoda]

turkiye

[sage crag]

england

[fast pagoda]

gomenasai

[olive sable]

new york

new amsterdam

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-funny-memes-funny-jokes-spongebob-spongebob-meme-gif-4395022609439478640

[sage crag]

hamsterdam

bo ethic nrr

[olive sable]

amsterdam, the dam of the alster

[fast pagoda]

bohemian rabbit sody

[sage crag]

lopsohdy

yrr

[fast pagoda]

:O

[sage crag]

i sing

[fast pagoda]

fa la la la

[sage crag]

🎤 ueueueueueeeueueureeuyeeeeeeuee

[fast pagoda]

[sage crag]

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

🎶

[fast pagoda]

[olive sable]

what should i put on new server?

[sage crag]

server 2

vm

[olive sable]

screeps?

[sage crag]

russianndoll

server backward spelt recurs

check it

[tender river]

vm image that

spins up vm on boot

[sage crag]

contain itself

[tender river]

ye

[sage crag]

infinity

[fast pagoda]

[tender river]

sam you should put that

and nothing else

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jump-box-gif-5849914

[olive sable]

those poor 40 cores simulating 40 cores simualting 40 cores simualtting 40 cores

[sage crag]

nuu toplet me in tohe door

[tender river]

cookiee

[fast pagoda]

NO

[tender river]

me not open

[sage crag]

[tender river]

to stranger

[olive sable]

jokes on you im colourblind

[sage crag]

me not stranger

me strangest

[tender river]

me not open

to strangest

either

[sage crag]

vehicle

[tender river]

[olive sable]

when stranger at door

ask

[tender river]

good attempt but

[olive sable]

schild en vriend?

[tender river]

it will be hard to ram a door on the third floor

[sage crag]

plane

vrrr

[fast pagoda]

Harry Dresden

[tender river]

its ok i'll open

[sage crag]

alrtt jem

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/gem-alarm-gem-alert-chud-redditor-gem-gif-6415505554061588689

[sage crag]

2late4u

plod

[tender river]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-ai-vtuber-think-blink-gif-332048164178219998

pretty please

[fast pagoda]

i miss v2

[sage crag]

glu factory princess

[olive sable]

glue horse

[sage crag]

ye glueful

unlike sam

[fast pagoda]

hoers mad of a lot of grlue

lotta glue in there

[tender river]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-umamusume-silly-urara-haru-urara-gif-5941918971645523248

[fast pagoda]

just fre

[sage crag]

wrr

[fast pagoda]

nobody says

but you can take it

it's free

just grab it

[olive sable]

im not horse

[fast pagoda]

[sage crag]

alway where is glu never how is glu

[fast pagoda]

gblue is ok

it glue

[sage crag]

nrr factory princess

existentially sad

[fast pagoda]

born that eway

[olive sable]

i feel like my autism communication skill is a tier 5 while you're on tier 10

[fast pagoda]

born to glu

[sage crag]

tear 5 card

bad hand try again

[fast pagoda]

balatro lose sound

[tender river]

glue factory princess should

gaslight herself into thinking everything's fine

[sage crag]

waowh

[olive sable]

can you unglur a glue horse?

[fast pagoda]

glu coppe

[sage crag]

it highly unethical to make a horse out of glue

[fast pagoda]

if the glue oozes Out?

on its own/

[tender river]

what about

vice versa

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

ur jelly

[olive sable]

can you soup a glue?

[sage crag]

ust is c c all same

[fast pagoda]

pub static nut

[sage crag]

deglulu

[olive sable]

not in public

[fast pagoda]

it all out

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

unsafe too

[sage crag]

corn

[fast pagoda]

google ordero more pixle

[olive sable]

does your blue screen have vulkan support?

[sage crag]

vulkan support lives in gpu driver

[fast pagoda]

same whjy are you artsit tag

[sage crag]

not generic

[olive sable]

but can it show the wanted idaplybuffer

[sage crag]

spinning tutel low quality dudududu

[fast pagoda]

[olive sable]

im bad at art, but i do the art

[sage crag]

takinot

[olive sable]

most of my arting is spent art on schoolwork

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

styleguide my belothed

i hate this thing

[fast pagoda]

betrothed

[sage crag]

ppt gtaphic design

[olive sable]

not ppt sadly

[sage crag]

Update ready to Install

[fast pagoda]

apt

[sage crag]

apt

apt

[tender river]

no

i wont play osu

[fast pagoda]

-get update

[sage crag]

woah oh woah oh oh

[tender river]

[olive sable]

i do make some banger powerpoints tho
i at least learned something useful in middle school

[sage crag]

pi

3.14125961

or something

[olive sable]

roughly ye

no

3.1415

no 2

[tender river]

3.1415926535897932384626433832795

[sage crag]

loserrrrr

e

[olive sable]

i only remember till the 9

[sage crag]

2.7128281 uh

[tender river]

me not remember

[olive sable]

euler?

[tender river]

useless number

[olive sable]

ye that one i dont remember

2.soemthing

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444655245568245803/1482696967116165203/caption.webp

[olive sable]

true

[sage crag]

2.7182818284590452353602874713526624977572470936999595749669676277240766303535
47594571382178525166427427466391932003059921817413596629043572900334295260595630
73813232862794349076323382988075319525101901157383418793070215408914993488416750
92447614606680822648001684774118537423454424371075390777449920695517027618386062
61331384583000752044933826560297606737113200709328709127443747047230696977209310
14169283681902551510865746377211125238978442505695369677078544996996794686445490
59879316368892300987931277361782154249992295763514822082698951936680331825288693
98496465105820939239829488793320362509443117301238197068416140397019837679320683
28237646480429531180232878250981945581530175671736133206981125099618188159304169
03515988885193458072738667385894228792284998920868058257492796104841984443634632
44968487560233624827041978623209002160990235304369941849146314093431738143640546
25315209618369088870701676839642437814059271456354906130310720851038375051011574

[tender river]

you got a digit wrong

[sage crag]

https://apod.nasa.gov/htmltest/gifcity/e.1mil

[tender river]

gif city

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/stellaris-corvette-gif-12772806362309950626

eat pant

[silent cloak]

Never

[tender river]

https://tenor.com/view/letter-t-youre-not-t-dogelore-dopp-letter-t-gif-gif-26349505

[silent cloak]

Real chad uses Zig

[tender river]

zig who

[silent cloak]

Or just use C and C++ like everyone else

[young plover]

I'm baffled by Zig
people act like defer statements somehow make it more safe than C++, when it's just RAII but crappier

[silent cloak]

I like the non implicit allocations

[young plover]

Zig has a debug allocator that maintains memory safety in the face of use-after-free and double-free. It automatically detects and prints stack traces of memory leaks.
so like
GWP-ASan which is used in Chrome's C++ codebase

[silent cloak]

They have a bunch of built in allocators

Comptime is a great feature too

Crazy how rust still doesn't have something like comptime or constexpr yet

[young plover]

Yeah that's one my major gripes with Rust right now. I like my compile-time metaprogramming and Rust is severely limited. Some of the unstable nightly features get it "good enough", but those have crashed on me.

[silent cloak]

The massive binaries arent great either but its more forgivable (outside of embedded)

[young plover]

true also
Would like to use it more at work but we try to use shared dependencies on the systems I develop.

[silent cloak]

Real chads just write pure LLVM IR code by hand so u don't need a language at all

[young plover]

This was the one
https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/76560

The constraints to actually use it are horrendous too

[silent cloak]

Of course

Give it a billion years

[tender river]

i dont like rust

its too simple which makes programming a pain

[silent cloak]

Good one

I honestly find rust harder to read and look at than any C-like language

(Unless ur getting into modern C++ territory)

[tender river]

writing my vm in ocaml right now and its some of the most fun i've had with programming in a while
its just 700 lines of code but it would have been more like 4000 in rust

[silent cloak]

Idk why they went the route of having impl something outside of a declaration

It pisses me off

[young plover]

impl<const N: usize> Display for DigestArray<N>
where
    [(); 2 * N]:,
{
    fn fmt(&self, f: &mut Formatter) -> std::fmt::Result {
        let a = to_hex(&self.0);
        f.write_str(unsafe { std::str::from_utf8_unchecked(&a) })
    }
}

dafuq you mean where [(); 2 * N]:,
like, I know it just means that 2*N is a valid size for an array, but really?

impl<const N: usize> From<&GenericArray<u8, typenum::U<N>>> for DigestArray<N>
where
    typenum::Const<N>: typenum::ToUInt,
    <typenum::Const<N> as typenum::ToUInt>::Output: ArrayLength<u8>,
{
    fn from(src: &GenericArray<u8, typenum::U<N>>) -> Self {
        DigestArray(*src.as_array::<N>().unwrap())
    }
}

And of course interfacing with old kinds of generic code is fun

[glass jetty]

nah, if you can, use zig or rust
(just rust)

i hate making stupid errors in cpp

[silent cloak]

Don't have a reason to

[glass jetty]

like i figured out that function i was using contain long living bug, and i just never used force async to get bad function cast

[glass jetty]

there reason

compiler warn you about shit you are doing

c++ give a lot of freedom tho

[silent cloak]

So can any static analysis tool

The only thing rust has going for it is the borrow checker

[glass jetty]

nothing spotted it

[silent cloak]

No one can convince me otherwise

[glass jetty]

for borrow checker you need lifetimes and mutability rules

[young plover]

[:^^k:]...

[glass jetty]

i with i would have matching pattern in cpp

[silent cloak]

Imagine if the C++ commite wakes up one day and decides to add lifetimes

[glass jetty]

so bored by writing

auto option = some_func();
if(not option){
  //continue or return nullopt
}
auto variable = *option;

[silent cloak]

(Despite them never settling on any proposal related to it)

[glass jetty]

thats why use rust

cuz c++ need extra 15 years to get borrow checker

c++ is nice, i love c++,

but i starting to like rust more

[silent cloak]

If im not in a situation where it really matters then na

Especially with how horribly ugly it is to look at i just cant find a way to enjoy it unless im forced to for a job

[glass jetty]

[silent cloak]

Its syntax is up there with VB.NET

And even with all those horrible choices it still manages to have implicit allocations somehow

[glass jetty]

maybe just overflow error? if it can check it

[young plover]

I made a prototype which allowed using std::expected as the return type for a coroutine, so if you co_await an std::expected either the co_await unwraps value, or the error is returned. That was kinda neat but it always heap-allocated the coroutine stack and I still haven't figured out why it crashes on GCC builds but works fine in MSVC and Clang.

Need pattern matching and ? operator.

[glass jetty]

like... so i am
https://charaverk.online/git/CharaVerKys/some-repeatable-code/src/branch/main/future_forsinglecontext.hpp

[silent cloak]

[(); 2*N] reminds me of this

[vague sonnet]

wait what
it's not even a feature complete language wtf

[tender river]

it really isnt hard once you understand that it just means you can do
(*(*f[0])())() to f

[opaque wharf]

It's not that bad

[glass jetty]

it have const function

i heard

never seen or used tho

[opaque wharf]

I have come back

Can't sleep because the sun refuse to shutdown

[tender river]

file a complaint

o shumi

[glass jetty]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/keyword.const.html

[silent cloak]

I love hacky looking code like that in languages

[opaque wharf]

And send it where?

[glass jetty]

Compile-time evaluable functions

[tender river]

to the sun

[opaque wharf]

On my way

Probably will arrive at night tho

So not too hot there hopefully

[young plover]

https://godbolt.org/z/q4Tvc7M4d

[silent cloak]

Its still not fully stable with a bunch of supports still missing

[glass jetty]

contexpr c++11 and c++23 is different too

[young plover]

Dissapointingly few things actually work in Rust const functions.

[silent cloak]

Thats because all the good stuff isn't done yet

[glass jetty]

what about float <-> double in contexpr now?
is it still broken?

[silent cloak]

Or is stuck in nightly

[sage crag]

wrr

[glass jetty]

meow

[sage crag]

wrrrr

[vague sonnet]

fixed

[young plover]

meh, I don't think that's a fair statement
I'm just like 50/50 on Rust/C++ for personal projects.

[vague sonnet]

rust?
more like
bad
haha get it?
because it's bad

[silent cloak]

Rust needs C++ otherwise it won't be able to rewrite anything

Then what would the devs do

[glass jetty]

few things work in c++26

[sage crag]

i do not enjoy programming in rust

[vague sonnet]

is it even out yet

[silent cloak]

No

[vague sonnet]

crazy it doesn't work then isn't it

[sage crag]

its not useless as a systems programming language, but its design is counterproductive to expressivity

[tender river]

true!

[silent cloak]

Its design is to be different

[tender river]

not really

its a very standard language

[glass jetty]

designed for borrow checker

you always have unsafe

[tender river]

unless you shoved your hand in the sand for the past 50 years

[sage crag]

if you want systems programming with the guarantees of rust, its better to just get your c program formally verified

[tender river]

which to be fair

[glass jetty]

but not c++ coroutines tho

[tender river]

most programmers have

[vague sonnet]

explain rust user behaviour then

[silent cloak]

Seems like they make some choices just to do something different tbh

[tender river]

like what

[glass jetty]

rust is c that compile time verified

[sage crag]

and zig didnt?

[glass jetty]

you only need to manually verify unsafe

and that is a big difference

like
compare Option and std::optional

[tender river]

you cant say something is weird if you only ever used c family languages

languages arent made for you

fair judgement requires broad experience

[silent cloak]

Java, JS, TS, Go, good amount of asm

[tender river]

ye so c family

[silent cloak]

VB.NET back in the day

[tender river]

you basically know 1 language

[sage crag]

if by c, you mean, its imperative, then ye

[silent cloak]

Didn't know Go was in the C family

My mind is fucking blown

[tender river]

are you really going to tell me go is so different from c

please, go is just c with garbage collector

[silent cloak]

Clearly u haven't used or heard of the language beyond name

[glass jetty]

go is basically c but with gc and async

[tender river]

ye

[sage crag]

every imperative language is just c with extra syntax sugar

[tender river]

if go seems so different from c to you you really dont have much experience with programming languages

[glass jetty]

rust is purely functional btw
it doesnt even have objects support

and i will have issue writing framework i want in rust, 100%

[tender river]

what are you talking about

[young plover]

masterful ragebait

[tender river]

my opinion of #programming about to drop tenfold in just 5 minutes of conversation

[silent cloak]

Almost like its a good standard

[tender river]

industry likes familiarity

thats it really

[sage crag]

imperative languages are used because theyre so simple

[silent cloak]

Simply better

[sage crag]

simply the most naive way of translating intent to an executable

very easy to write compilers for

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1387116465613705266/1LEAFUSERMEOW.gif

[sage crag]

hence c

[silent cloak]

Some languages use C instead of LLVM directly

Which is kind of funny to me

[sage crag]

hence decades of imperative languages

[glass jetty]

like, i not think that trait system is oop system
it have dyn but that just vtable, you cant have inheritance with private member values
or i not found it idk
you have to impl trait for class
and can super_trait : trait
but not class : class

there even no such thing as class
only struct and enum

[silent cloak]

Though its because LLVM sucks to link to

[tender river]

words have meaning

please dont say "purely functional" without knowing what "purely functional" is

[glass jetty]

gah, ok, mainly functional, force to use functional, prioritize functional

[tender river]

m

still disagree

[sage crag]

purely functional systems programming languages

[silent cloak]

There are ugly workarounds for things

[tender river]

its hard to write functional without gc

[silent cloak]

Partially why I dropped any attempt to pickup rust for personal projects

[tender river]

all rust does in the way of functional is, uh, iterator chains, option/result combinators

which are fun and all

[glass jetty]

yeah, there no such thing so ...

[sage crag]

rust is very imperative

[glass jetty]

if you use it this way

[tender river]

haskell doesnt exist

[sage crag]

rust is very imperative

[tender river]

rust puts many barriers between the programmer and non-imperative code

because of no boxing by default

boxing makes life easy

i love boxing

boxing my beloved

[flint dome]

Haskell is merely a figment of your schizophrenia

[young plover]

Haskell users when you tell them that useful programs need to write state:

[sage crag]

Cow

[flint dome]

get rid of it

[silent cloak]

Boxing allocation moment

[sage crag]

[tender river]

haskell programs famously cant have state

[sage crag]

what is an Io

[tender river]

what is the state monad

[silent cloak]

Does anyone still unironically write haskell

[sage crag]

[tender river]

haskell is gaining popularity if anything

[silent cloak]

How

[young plover]

I get like 30 haskell package updates on my Arch system everyday, so apparently

[sage crag]

because its

NOT useless

[tender river]

dont worry its not for you

its for autistic lesbians

[silent cloak]

So like ruby and rust

[flint dome]

mad finance people and lesbians

[sage crag]

programming cavemen

cobol is my city

[silent cloak]

Ive thought about looking into D

[flint dome]

apparently postgREST is also haskell

[flint dome]

the d in d stands for disease

(jk)

[sage crag]

pandoc

is haskell

shellcheck, surely people know shellcheck

[silent cloak]

Man just use F# or something if u need a functional language in 2026

[sage crag]

[tender river]

haskell is more popular than f#

also f# is more like ocaml

different goals

[silent cloak]

Nursing home coding nights

[sage crag]

xmonad

surely

[glass jetty]

btw
what spell check you are using

[tender river]

ocaml/f# are simple languages with very few abstractions

haskell has lots of tools to let you abstract away common programming patterns

[glass jetty]

i used side street software
but switched to codebook for some reasons

[silent cloak]

Is ocaml used outside hobby programming these days?

[tender river]

ye

jane street

uses ocaml almost exclusively

[silent cloak]

I haven't seen it used in anything serious personally

[tender river]

first rust compiler was written in ocaml

[sage crag]

there are a few nixos repos written in haskell too i think

[silent cloak]

Sounds about right

[olive sable]

should i put nixos on the server?

[sage crag]

why not

[tender river]

rocq is written in ocaml

[glass jetty]

imagine compiling rust compiler from assembly only
like starting with something like just assembly translator

[silent cloak]

Didn't rust steal alot of their syntax from ocaml?

[tender river]

wasm reference interpreter is written in ocaml

[sage crag]

ocaml is simply good lamguage for writing compilers and interpreters

[tender river]

kind of
rust is way more c than ocaml

[flint dome]

is that like a warning or a challenge

[silent cloak]

Feels barely anything like C but I dont know ocaml like that

[tender river]

ye as i said you dont have that much experience with languages beyond c family

[silent cloak]

I dont use the more exotic or dead languages

[sage crag]

[silent cloak]

Im not exactly eager to learn cobol in the year of 2026

[flint dome]

the banks demand more slaves to the mines

[tender river]

i dont use any language unless i can help it

[silent cloak]

In the end most of us are just writing LLVM IR

So maybe we are all writing the same language in spirit

[tender river]

every single one of my projects is an exercise in finding the optimal language for writing it in as few lines of code as possible, then giving up and going back to langdev

[silent cloak]

(Unless ur using gcc)

[tender river]

[silent cloak]

Im hoping I'll have some more time to screw off soon and do more side projects

[flint dome]

[silent cloak]

Most recent thing was just a dupe file checker for my pc using hashing

[tender river]

hello

[olive sable]

robo dog chomp

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/open-season-deer-deer-in-headlights-roadkill-hunter-gif-16769190155186329898

[glass jetty]

clangd go brrrr

[opaque wharf]

Praise Ra, finally the sun is shutting down courtesy of a thunderstorm

[sage crag]

@ queenpb

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

@ mlntcandy

🥈

[rigid snow]

;ohidontsee:

[sage crag]

;:

https://tenor.com/view/cute-kitten-alone-sleep-tucked-in-gif-14814077

[tender river]

[sage crag]

!felloff

[stiff mica]

[sage crag]

!ping

uh

[stiff mica]

Client WebSocket ping: 14ms
Discord API ping: 167ms

🍪 Om nom nom
You've given me 37 cookies! | I've received 317441 cookies total!

[tender river]

!bwaa

[stiff mica]

[sage crag]

!summary

[tender river]

not in here

admin only

[sage crag]

i admin

[tender river]

you wrr

[sage crag]

o

[tender river]

!nothing

[stiff mica]

Nothing ever happens, all-in

[sage crag]

lutel

[stiff mica]

aww, thank you~ ( ◡‿◡ *)

[sage crag]

fasm macros are very convenient for making a dsl

unfortunately not perfectly optimised

[tender river]

[stiff mica]

Client WebSocket ping: 14ms
Discord API ping: 167ms

[sage crag]

would have to save and restore registers

[tender river]

i was thinking about how

a good way of constructing assembly programs would be in units that use all available registers

by composing them

but this approach is probably very limited

[flint dome]

they done sent the sun to us we are turning into a barbecue

please take it back

[flint dome]

terrible idea

if all get used and you need one more you cooked

so in x86 they're split off into two registers type

scratch and preserve

scratch is well scratchpad where you do your rough work and assume your data will be lost by the next instruction cycle

preserve is where you need to put your numbers for longer

however in preserve they must be stuffed to the stack first

[tender river]

that is just

calling convention

i dont care

[flint dome]

then what are you trying to do

[tender river]

doing

[flint dome]

[tender river]

think of it as

me ruminating on codegen

[flint dome]

im guessing you want to pass off the register directly to the next function without having it change location

but

isn't that just

tail call optimization

surely im being dumdum

[tender river]

im not talking about functions here

[opaque wharf]

Chay is just using the computer however she wants

Not bound by the so called convention

It's like that one dude who makes a game for UEFI

Or the other dude who ran some program on a computer WITHOUT a RAM

Utilizing only the EEPROM and CPU cache

[tender river]

if you dont need a common interface for things, you dont need functions or a calling convention

that was just a random idea i thought of for composing programs, dont think of it as anything practical or something i plan to do

[opaque wharf]

See? This is SIGBOVIK material

[flint dome]

the stack cries in horror

I mean cryptographic hardware does use what you're describing

[flint dome]

truly one of the ideas of all time

[opaque wharf]

Chay, konii, you guys should join the association for computational heresy

[tender river]

i am working on computational heresy at this very moment

[flint dome]

neurocord club of slaanesh's techpriests

[tender river]

i cant decide if im having fun or in existential pain

[flint dome]

I'm uncomfortable looking at this im going to go back to my class

[tender river]

this is too normal for now

sadly

the working part is a functional language with combined strict and lazy evaluation

that can be easily extended with deterministic parallelism thanks to that

the part i'm working on that doesn't work is a second embedded language based on bidirectional pattern matching

for making interactive user interfaces

[vague sonnet]

come on the ram prices aren't this bad

[stiff mica]

🍪 Om nom nom
You've given me 10 cookies! | I've received 317443 cookies total!

aww, thank you~ ( ◡‿◡ *)

[jagged turtle]

how???

[opaque wharf]

Magic honestly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHItbgHutVo

[sage crag]

incredible bait

[vague sonnet]

2+ hours wasted just for cheap bait

[sick owl]

The reply to every tweet Sam Altman makes is a legion of bring back gpt 4o schizos now lmao

That model really was a cognitohazard

[jagged turtle]

oh dear god

ai psychosis hasn't been theoretical for a while now

[glass jetty]

merge:

gis -v | wc -l
7307

ok nvm
there was diagram changes
i forgot

[rigid snow]

it's still available over the api if they like it so much why not go figure that out

ask chatgpt how to get 4o goddamnit

it'll tell ya

[idle dune]

What is vedals actual specs for his server hes building

Im really curious

[nocturne olive]

Mostly abusing the fact that BIOS loading has a cache as RAM stage

[opaque wharf]

Coreboot is already black magic to me

[sick owl]

https://huggingface.co/talkie-lm/talkie-1930-13b-it

Lmao

Its an LLM trained on 260B tokens of pre-1930 text

They have a demo up too

https://huggingface.co/spaces/multimodalart/talkie-1930

Soul

[flint dome]

think of it as identity fraud

[nocturne olive]

LLM trained on only data from before electronic computers existed

[flint dome]

the coreboot code performs identity fraud on the l1 l2 cache and brainwashes the cpu into thinking that the cache is now its ram since the ram hasn't been potty trained yet

[flint dome]

then it uses the fake id to buy beer and train the ram

then copies said cache into ram and does normal bios things

...... but im pretty sure you already knew that

uhhhhhhhhh

fuck

theres also other stuff like how coreboot puts a plastic bag to shut up the southbridge and nmi and smi so no irq are fired

[vague sonnet]

almost a 100 years and he's still correct

[proven merlin]

One thing i did prefer about 4o was it was less likely to produce a contradictual sentence.. ive had the GPT5 series say something like "this isnt how thing xyz works, and because of how this is how thing xyz works we can do zyx"

Also Cache as RAM hasnt been truely exploited yet.. i still wanna see that Epyc with 1.3GB of L3 have windows 95 (or XP) installed to L3-as- RAM-disk and run with the same L3 as RAM.. and maybe windows 10 or so aswell but loaded from disk, if possible.

[nocturne olive]

Windows probably can't do that, you'd most likely have to do Linux

[sick owl]

Probably not a big deal vs the overwhelming historical data though

Given it couldn't tell me what a computer is in the modern sense

[umbral wigeon]

What do you guys think about swe intreview

Or even just coding intreview

[fickle rain]

Cache-as-RAM (CAR) is no longer a supportable feature in AMD hardware.

https://git.furworks.de/coreboot-mirror/coreboot/commit/a2455b2967ad3ab7e95785820e49f600b06477f6

Neither Windows nor Linux will work here I think

[umbral wigeon]

C/C++ isn't hard, just spent more time on it

[sage crag]

thank you i had no idea

as someone who has never used c or cpp

ever

in my entire life

even once

[umbral wigeon]

Np cus I don't actually knows cpp too, can't write cpp witout a docs

Cus I'm a lua dev

[fickle rain]

Good

[sage crag]

i used the most heavy sarcasm i can convey without /s

[umbral wigeon]

Me 3 years of lua and don't know how to override class in python without docs lmao

[sage crag]

c is one of the simplest imperative languages to read and write
and cpp is a relative of c with a bigger standard library

generally easy to read and write provided the code is normal

[rigid snow]

it never is and never ends up being

[umbral wigeon]

I don't even memorize or put it in my head while I'm coding

[rigid snow]

[fickle rain]

@claude explain this code to me

[umbral wigeon]

And I don't even know how am I coding

[umbral wigeon]

Yes speaking of 3 years of exps

Also I have no idea what I'm reading

[sage crag]

idk what u mean

[mighty thorn]

Idk about ur query but Claude is currently doing the Obama medal meme for me

[rigid snow]

doesn't any "unofficial" api cost the same

[umbral wigeon]

How did I made this

[opaque wharf]

That "normal" do provides a heavy lifting

[rigid snow]

and is that like vertex and bedrock and stuff

[umbral wigeon]

It's kinda humbling that a dev can't memorize everything lmao

[sage crag]

humbling how

dev just someone who can write programs

[fickle rain]

If you write code that’s already looks obfuscated in editor it sure as fuck won’t be readable to reverser? :)

[mighty thorn]

I was discussing api wrappers to use user accounts as providers so I don’t have to use per token API billing

[sage crag]

its actually very legible after the preprocessor is run

and the code is very normal too

the asm i mean

the macros are just scary to look at

[rigid snow]

you know anthropic doesn't allow that per their tos and will actively resist and sometimes even ban your ass right

[umbral wigeon]

Character too small

I can't read

[mighty thorn]

None of them allow it

However I can do it manually, so I can do it automatically

[rigid snow]

yes the fuck they do, copilot actively supports that, codex turns a blind eye, glm/kimi have "coding plans" made to be used with 3rd party harnesses,

what else

[mighty thorn]

No those are cli harnesses for agentic coding

I just want all of my ai accounts in one user interface

With all of the features of each

Mostly deep research

[rigid snow]

that's the same thing practically

unless you want to wrap the clis

[opaque wharf]

Do you guys think handwriting biometric is good for authenticating document signing?

[rigid snow]

i'd argue wrapping the apis that the web versions use is worse

[rough bloom]

awawawawa

[tender river]

awa

[rigid snow]

ttast

[opaque wharf]

TTS

TTSTT

Text to speech to text

[rough bloom]

as in, comparing handwriting with past samples for authentication?

sounds

insecure

[mighty thorn]

Was just watching a video about Nintendo and then had the thought that Mario odyssey and breath of the wild are “modern classics” then realized both could be in middle school

[idle dune]

Wanna feel.older?

[mighty thorn]

Sure!

[idle dune]

People that played Mario Galaxy whe. They where kids are now in college

[opaque wharf]

Yep

I really wish people would use password manager like at least BitWarden

[rough bloom]

[idle dune]

The Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 are now retro consoles

[rough bloom]

password sharing bad

[idle dune]

The PS4 is older than smart watches

Oh and the kicker. Windows 10 was released when Obama was still president.

[umbral wigeon]

HelloWorld = function(f, s) f(s or "Hello World") end
HelloWorld(print)

Lua is so funny

[idle dune]

@mighty thorn I hope you enjoy those facts

[umbral wigeon]

You can pass a function without a problem

[mighty thorn]

I remember watching him on tv as a kid

He’s always been my favorite because I think he is very charismatic and funny and also nostalgia

[fickle rain]

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20260427-00/?p=112271
Itanium is fun

[amber fractal]

I regret backreading, hello chat

[idle dune]

Hello, how are you today.

[olive sable]

what happened?

also happy birthdy

[amber fractal]

Most of programming lanuage discussions

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

iggly

i buy

4090

[idle dune]

Oh I thought it was all my facts meant to make you feel old.

[olive sable]

with free server as a bonus

[amber fractal]

I'd say doing well

[idle dune]

[amber fractal]

[idle dune]

what kinda server

[amber fractal]

I'm going to pretend I didn't see the messages and let Sam explain

[mighty thorn]

I wonder how feasible it is to make a game based off of the Alan Becker animation versus animator videos but on the actual real windows desktop

[amber fractal]

Anything is possible

[olive sable]

2x Intel Xeon Gold 6138
4x32GB ddr4 ram
4090
HPE E208i RAID controller
4x 1GbE onboard (Quad Gigabit)
and redundant 1700W PSU

for 1850

euro

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

the 4090 alone is worth every penny

[idle dune]

Thats actually a super solid server.

Those xeon golds o think are like 200ish each too

Pffft nevermind

6138s are 15 bucks

[olive sable]

12 memory channels, 4 sticks

[olive sable]

ye but 4090s are 2.5K

[idle dune]

[olive sable]

and 128GB of ram is also 1K

[idle dune]

The price or ram has made me want to go back to DDR3 dude

[olive sable]

the cpus themselves are cheap, but when you factor i the costs of the mobo and the psu and the case and stuff

its still pretty expensive

[idle dune]

[olive sable]

i could upgrade pretty cheaply i guess

[opaque wharf]

pdfsam

https://pdfsam.org/

[vague sonnet]

yeah I'm building a pc from 0
and it's miserable

I need monitors and keyboard and mouse too

all that shit adds up fast

[idle dune]

get some xeon platinum m's with optane ram

[amber fractal]

Depends on the MB

[mighty thorn]

If we imagine vibecoding as constructing a skyscraper, where you have a blueprint designer, a construction team, and an investment firm, which roles (vibecoder, user, ai company) would you say each aligns with?

Random hypothetical I thought of

[vague sonnet]

it's going to collapse

[fickle rain]

I would not trust a house constructed by LLM

[mighty thorn]

You guys aren’t the metaphor type, noted

[olive sable]

the 128gb of ram is the shit im getting with the server already. its only 4 sticks tho so i guess immissing out on the extra mem lanes speedup

[vague sonnet]

what's the point of going deeper into something that's not going to yield any results

[opaque wharf]

Naah, if the work is spread across different CPU it will be slower still

[olive sable]

ask Ubisoft man

[opaque wharf]

So if it's dual channel 2 socket then 1 stick on each channel is theoretically the most optimal

[vague sonnet]

bethesda seems to be doing even worse

[olive sable]

true. idk how that works in terms of avoiding that

[amber fractal]

CPU pinning I'd imagine

[rough bloom]

should usually be quad channel at least

[mighty thorn]

“Yo Mike dude would you rather have a million dollars or, like, any single wish bro?”
“Well Brad, this question is simply not worth considering. For one, the chances of legally stumbling onto a million dollars are astronomically low, and secondly, given genies are not believed to exist, I’d have to be a dying child to obtain a single wish, and even then that ‘wish’ would likely be very limited in scope and the funding for it would have to come from somewhere. In conclusion, I have to deduce that you are intoxicated and thus I will be terminating this conversation”

[rough bloom]

unless truly ancient

[amber fractal]

Considering it has a 4090 attached to it I don't think it is the case

[rough bloom]

yee

[olive sable]

its 12 channels

6 per

"DDR4-2666" kinda low, but i guess with this many channels it ends up being faster

ECC

[rough bloom]

normal

higher latency but lots of bandwidth

[olive sable]

Intel® Optane™ Memory Supported ‡ No

[opaque wharf]

Naah, slow is slow. But like, imagine carrying a basket full of data slow vs a truck full of data

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

ye

[rough bloom]

[amber fractal]

what if we wanted the optane support

[rough bloom]

no

you can still have Optane

Optane SSD

[amber fractal]

expensive

[sick owl]

🔥 ✍️

1930s gptslop

[olive sable]

what if replace cpu, receive optane

[reef ingot]

Day 67 of making my own game engine .....

I made the hardware part

[amber fractal]

Computer

Build entire OS for game

[flint dome]

wait this is fire can I get a tldr on what you're trying to achieve

[olive sable]

would need to upgrade to xeon gold 6200 or platinum 8200, then optane would work

how does optane compare to normal ram even?

[amber fractal]

Easy price to pay for salvation

[opaque wharf]

Not even close IIRC

[reef ingot]

It's a computer and I am building a bare metal game engine for it

[olive sable]

fixed pipeline gpu?

[sage crag]

does blue count

[umbral wigeon]

Feedback pls, my room is cooked

[olive sable]

clean

[amber fractal]