programming

[gentle haven]

What do I do if I made my ai not like me? Accidentally

[mighty bane]

Tell it you got cookies.

[opaque sigil]

assuming this is stored in row-major order

[mighty bane]

why columns instead of rows?

[opaque sigil]

more efficient memory loading, it's called memory coalescing if you feel like looking into it
so nearby threads reading nearby memory can be collapsed into a single physical memory load

mind you this doesn't apply to cpus

[mighty bane]

So the thing is.. for most of these effects it's imperative that pixel1 knows what pixel2 is doing. To make cascading rainbow effects etc each pixel must be aware of its neighbours.

[opaque sigil]

oh, that's erm

different

[mighty bane]

BUt

[vague sonnet]

LLMs have no free will so it's ethical to delete them

[mighty bane]

in theory only for the first image. but then I have to find an algorithm that would let each pixel know its destination and each step there.

[opaque sigil]

definitely doable but might not be worth it to do on a gpu unless the images are quite large

[rough bloom]

yeah if you have dependencies like that you can't parallelize

rainbow effect should be possible though, in theory that only needs position and time/step

would have to rewrite that function with those inputs

[gentle haven]

Would it be better if I just erase their memories of that interaction that made them hate me and then slightly alter their program so they can’t hate me

[mighty bane]

Let me find something

[opaque sigil]

non-unrolled loops in gpu code are great

[glass flower]

sounds like you need to do a multi-pass approach. and or checkerboard rendering

[opaque sigil]

simple wavefront pattern might do the trick depending on the actual pattern you need to generate

dynamic programming

[mighty bane]

So, I have rainbow and radial, for now.

the plan is to specify the "center"point.

[glass flower]

so that instead of a gpu thread only accessing and manipulating 1 pixel it changes a area of pixels around it. and then next incantation it changes its location its checking so it never overlaps with other gpu threads. this will half or quater your performance but... its the only way you can do these kind of things or you go the atomic route but that is likely worse

i wanted to write a gpu only sand simulation so i kinda looked a bit into this kind of topic (i'm now doing multithreaded cpu sand simulation tho)

[mighty bane]

Why sand sim on CPU?

[rough bloom]

its the only way you can do these kind of things
in this case I don't think so

so far it sounds the effects don't actually have any real dependencies between pixels, should be fine with just time and position

[glass flower]

because physics, and the sand simulation isn't only moving 1 pixel or something it has velocity. which is closer to a particle simulation than sand simulation

[mighty bane]

Hold on, I'll make a quick example

[rough bloom]

they're just implemented that way right now because bad

[glass flower]

i mean... yeah if you can do it without accessing anything and just math that would be best

my keyboards rainbow led is a gpu shader

#define RainbowAngle 210.0
#define BandFrequency 0.5
#define speed 1.0

void mainImage( out vec4 fragColor, in vec2 fragCoord )
{

    //Make a gradient from red to green to blue back to red that is moving from left to right but rotated so it moves at a incline in glsl
    vec2 uv = fragCoord.xy / iResolution.xy;
    vec3 color = vec3(0.0);
    float angle = RainbowAngle * 3.14159 / 180.0;
    float s = sin(angle);
    float c = cos(angle);
    vec2 uv2 = vec2(uv.x * c - uv.y * s, uv.x * s + uv.y * c);
    uv2.x += iTime * speed;
    uv2.y += iTime * speed;
    uv2.x *= BandFrequency;
    uv2.y *= BandFrequency;
    color = texture2D(iChannel0, uv2.xy).rgb;
    color = clamp(color, 0.0, 1.0);
    fragColor = vec4(color, 1.0);
}

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-fox-exploding-exploding-explosion-missile-gif-8942955235803510992

[glass flower]

this is running through openrgb on my keyboard

[mighty bane]

What is this language?

[glass flower]

glsl

[sage crag]

ye

[mighty bane]

(what is glsl and why are method names lowercase)

[glass flower]

its a shader language

method names being lowercase is just

[nocturne olive]

GL Shader language

[opaque wharf]

Insane saying as a person that mainly do stuff in CPU

[mighty bane]

This was a .png I made zoom and do freaky colours

[sick owl]

How did it know that its prompt was reprocessing, the fuck

[mighty bane]

Also, in the future (not tonight) I want to include ability to bring a mask that omits pixels based on either hex-value (or name) or lumen level (within tolerance) so I can limit this freaky effect to eyes or shoes or whatever. And hopefully in the future I'll have it detect a designated colour/lumen and if said colour forms a border, anything within border is excluded..

[sick owl]

Big step up from E2B huh

[mighty bane]

Little background task that calls a tool that checks if the processing has finished?

I think I might be memory leaking. Or hacked.. ya'll madafaqas better not be hacking me 😠

(please, I need this PC)

[sick owl]

Wouldn't be much point in that would there

[mighty bane]

Why not?

[warped narwhal]

no, you will become my bitcoin mining node and you will be happy about it >:D

[sick owl]

The AI can't actually do anything while the prompts reprocessing anyway

[opaque sigil]

just get more cores so you can treat the CPU like a gpu

[mighty bane]

Hm... odd. The frames duration seem to have bugged out.

[rough bloom]

Intel in 201x agrees with you

[mighty bane]

Aight that's it. I'm gonna go scream into a pillow or something. Nini

[nocturne olive]

Use LLVMPIPE to render everything

[opaque wharf]

1000 core RISC-V goes brrrr

[proven merlin]

There's 96 core amd64 iirc

80 core arm-

[opaque wharf]

You know, even 1000 core is nowhere near modern gpu capabilities

[proven merlin]

Eh don't modern intel gpus have like idk 200?

[umbral wigeon]

Facts

[proven merlin]

Vega igpus have like 16 iirc no?

[opaque wharf]

200 what? Cores?

[proven merlin]

Yea

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/arc-a770.c3914
Ah 4k

[opaque wharf]

Depends on how you define cores I guess. But definitely not the standard one

[proven merlin]

Ig igpu are low core gpus ..

[opaque sigil]

double that

[proven merlin]

Ah tru

[opaque wharf]

There's also the type of cores on GPU

[sage crag]

ryzen 5 7600 has

[proven merlin]

Yea tmus, shader cores, so on

[sage crag]

2 graphical cores

and 6 cpu cores

[proven merlin]

Beautiful

[real sierra]

ba

bababababa

screeps on my mind still

[opaque sigil]

[proven merlin]

5700g has 8 compute units, 512 shaders-

[real sierra]

I need to screeps I'm actually going through withdrawal

I partly feel like I need an in-between room state

because there are rooms I would like to secure and harvest and develop without claiming

[opaque wharf]

Programmers are high on programming

[stark needle]

hi

[real sierra]

hi

[rough bloom]

hi

[vague vortex]

Proposition towards AI ethics; Would it be possible to ask a model, or indeed the machine to be a model, what it wants to be? Would you get a coherent response back?

[warped narwhal]

lemon

[real sierra]

I dunno about that

[amber fractal]

I'm on no

[shrewd brook]

I don't really know anything about the subject but as far as I'm aware an AI can't have options as it's just regurgitating training data. It will believe and say what you encorage it to say without independance.

[real sierra]

with humans there's the whole concept of nature vs nurture, where some part of our psychological temperament comes from our upbringing and some part comes from our genetics or whatever

[opaque sigil]

of course you'd get something coherent, the content will just be useless

[real sierra]

but with an AI model, the nurture part is basically nonexistent, everything related to the AI's behaviour is decided at training time

[vague vortex]

Presumably as of right now it's kinda a requirement that to some degree the machine must have some 'nature' built into it, in our own image, in order for it to form the opinion in the first place

[real sierra]

so I would say that the response the AI gives is largely decided by what training data it is fed

and thus not really its own choice

[shrewd brook]

yeah that's where my thought process goes

[real sierra]

it's largely decided by its creator

[vague vortex]

The whole
"You don't ask to be born, but you choose how to live" thing

[rough bloom]

you can ask an LLM that, and you'd (assuming it's trained as such) get coherent output, and it would be imitation just like everything else LLMs output
it doesn't really have any bearing on AI ethics I think

[real sierra]

but it's not a choice

[shrewd brook]

although there is part of it that's more uncontrollable if you start training an AI with some of it's own data

[warped narwhal]

except the fact that you're a program designed to predict the next word given an input string, then you don't really have a "soul" to live by

[shrewd brook]

then it starts to drift and distinguish itself from the original data

[real sierra]

AI responses are decided by their nature and their nature is decided by their designer

[shrewd brook]

almost like personality in a way

although clearly different

[real sierra]

so their designer decides what they choose to do

[opaque wharf]

Here we go again

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[real sierra]

the AI would never provide a response that could not be attributed to the decisions of the designer

[sage crag]

@true hemlock

[real sierra]

there is no free will present

QED

[vague vortex]

I've provoked philosophical debate in the programmer chat

[sage crag]

very difficult task

we only ever talk about technical things and never go offtopic

[vague vortex]

Holds up an infant human
"Behold, a soulless machine"

[sage crag]

this channel is called programming

[real sierra]

this channel is called screeps

[sage crag]

we dont do baking here

[real sierra]

you're lucky NN occupied all of our on topic enforcement

[sage crag]

true

[warped narwhal]

sasalele

[real sierra]

do these combine for a 75% sale or a 100% sale

[shrewd brook]

It doesn't just choose the most likely next word though there's some variation and randomness to it I think so that could be argued that that would be a form of independence

[amber fractal]

We very much are for the 5% of the time we are on topic

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[warped narwhal]

it's like resistors so it is 25%

[real sierra]

please arrange signs in series

[rough bloom]

50% sale is 50% off
so 25%

[sage crag]

1/(1/a + 1/b)

[vague vortex]

I surrender the topic back to the people who need it most
Just a thought I was having at work today, didn't mean to start a knife fight in the Parthenon

[sage crag]

take it or leave it

[real sierra]

my screeps probably miss me

[amber fractal]

[opaque wharf]

How can they miss you when they're dead?

[sage crag]

True!

[real sierra]

they're alive don't scare me like that

[sage crag]

you can see them again if you visit sam

[opaque wharf]

Is Sam holding Shiro hostage?

[vague vortex]

Sam Shiro

[opaque wharf]

@olive sable

[real sierra]

[vague vortex]

Hugs are a form of holding hostage

[sage crag]

holding a hostage directly is dangerous if the hostage is physically stronger than you

[vague vortex]

The threat is the first person to pull away loses

That's the danger

[opaque wharf]

And yet cats hold human hostages all the time

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

Mario kart Saturday

[sage crag]

miao

[sage crag]

cats have claws and the intention to use them

[real sierra]

so now if I break Sam's structures, he won't be around to replace them

[sage crag]

i also have claws do not approach

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

approaching

[olive sable]

Played resident evil 1 on the theatre pc earlier as first test

[sick owl]

Does leaving this to do its thing in the background make me lazy chat

[sage crag]

nice contrast

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

What's being censored there? Feet?

[sage crag]

approaching (jojo)

[olive sable]

I dont like what you're implying

[real sierra]

why do you want to know?

[amber fractal]

The anime girl pfp can't give those away for free

[olive sable]

Its the game, or windows hdr

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

Yes. From my friend

[opaque wharf]

Detachable feet

[sage crag]

zeppelin speedrun any%

[sage crag]

how much more difficult is the 100% run than the any%

[real sierra]

sam might actually be the best way to test my attack AI because I don't have to worry about retaliation

[sick owl]

I've found having it on a second monitor like an extra pair of hands kinda nice is the thing

[real sierra]

so I can tune the settings

[sage crag]

sam send a raid

[sick owl]

Attack AI

[real sierra]

my screeps already mark his territory as the next victim so that part works

[sage crag]

screeps clone based on cellular automata

[opaque wharf]

Sam is already on his way raiding Netherlands

[real sierra]

I just have to enable sending attack groups

[opaque wharf]

A Belgian invading the Dutch

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

or maybe evolution sim

[olive sable]

Ill kill shiro tomorrow i guess

[real sierra]

[glass flower]

[opaque wharf]

Another SamOutOfContext material

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

skill stats for screeps also be interesting

[opaque wharf]

[real sierra]

skill stats?

[glass flower]

is that the purpose of the powercreeps?

[sage crag]

yee thinking of alterations to screeps

[opaque wharf]

Hey, wait a minute. That ain't nub

[sage crag]

ye that bun

[real sierra]

u can upgrade creeps in lab

give buffs

but it complicate need do crafting

[glass flower]

trust me you guys seen like 20% of screeps so far

[sage crag]

no, moreso so specialise certain workers into certain fields

[sage crag]

i know nothing

at all

[real sierra]

I'm screeps baby still

[glass flower]

same

[olive sable]

Something went wrong with my dual room setup

[glass flower]

[opaque wharf]

Congrats @real sierra you managed to lure Sam to screeps on his mario kart saturday

[real sierra]

screepsday

good thing I did tho, his base looks desolate in that pic

where'd all your screeps go

[olive sable]

We're with 5 so loser passes controller. I lost my winning streak

[real sierra]

rolled

[olive sable]

We're watching the greatest showman after last round

[opaque wharf]

Watch interstellar instead

[nocturne olive]

How does this game work?

[amber fractal]

You program the bois to do what you need to

[nocturne olive]

[fast pagoda]

luv me lightweight frameworks like cuda

[amber fractal]

[vague sonnet]

actually how does rocm compare to cuda

[fast pagoda]

whee

[vague sonnet]

assuming custom written gpu code

[fast pagoda]

in terms of

[warped narwhal]

0.0

[vague sonnet]

because I heard about like pytorch having bad rocm support or something

[fast pagoda]

pytorch rocm = you have to install cuda lmfao

[vague sonnet]

power

[fast pagoda]

[nocturne olive]

[fast pagoda]

theoretically mostly the same in the sense that they serve the same purpose

[vague sonnet]

is there any catch?

since you said "theoretically"

[opaque wharf]

Software support sucks

[fast pagoda]

everything expects cuda so mostly everything is gonna be HIPified cuda

[vague sonnet]

well I write my own

[opaque wharf]

And the HW usually have some gotcha

[fast pagoda]

the hw itself is fine but the hw breadth of support ootb isnt as broad

[rough bloom]

you don't

[vague sonnet]

by support you mean software being made for it?

[fast pagoda]

to use like anything that wants to use pytorch you gon be HIPifying

[opaque wharf]

Maybe I think the hw is ass because of bad driver then. Been a long time since I use rocm

[rough bloom]

ye, hipify doesn't need CUDA though AFAIK

[opaque wharf]

Can't wait for zluda

[fast pagoda]

it does

look at the pytorch 7.2 rocm wheel

[rough bloom]

it operates on source code and just has the function name mappings and stuff hardcoded, there's really no reason for it to

[fast pagoda]

it requires cuda

unless you're using hipify-perl which i've literally never seen anyone do

tthe entire premise of HIPify is that it transforms cuda

[vague sonnet]

hipify is a converter from cuda to rocm no?

[opaque sigil]

generally worse dev tools

[fast pagoda]

yes

it needs cuda

because it's for cuda

lmao

that is the base of what hipify even is

HIPIFY documentation
HIPIFY is a ROCm tool to help developers migrate GPU programming from NVIDIA’s CUDA language to AMD’s HIP C++ programming language for use on AMD GPUs. HIPIFY includes two tools offering different levels of capability:

[vague sonnet]

does that really matter? since I would be writing custom gpu kernels
so shouldn't matter if it's written for cuda or rocm?

[fast pagoda]

if you start rocm/hip native it's fine

[vague sonnet]

ok so we ball

[fast pagoda]

you dont get PTX

[rough bloom]

Nixpkgs ROCm build of PyTorch 2.11 does not need CUDA

idk why the official wheel includes it

and there's not really any reason for it to

since hipify doesn't need it

[fast pagoda]

why would hipify not need cuda please explain

[opaque sigil]

talking about things like profilers, debuggers etc
but yeah the code itself is w/e

[fast pagoda]

hipify is for cuda code

[rough bloom]

has mappings built-in

[fast pagoda]

but what i mean it

the purpose of hipify

is cuda

[rough bloom]

it doesn't load them from the CUDA toolkit

[fast pagoda]

like

[rough bloom]

[fast pagoda]

brother it does require it it literally says that in the documentation

[vague sonnet]

I'm probably getting a 7900xtx for my new pc
sounds like it's a better pick than nvidia gpus? at least for the cost

[fast pagoda]

it gets the mappings from cuda

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/dhulbahante-dhulo-farastini-gif-20549228

[rough bloom]

show

[opaque wharf]

Kuda

Kuda = horse

[opaque sigil]

shuni I was confused about this too like a week ago

[fast pagoda]

step 1

install cuda

[vague sonnet]

surely typo

[fast pagoda]

[rough bloom]

the thing is

the mappings definitely are in the hipify code

https://github.com/ROCm/HIPIFY/blob/59fc05ad9200e6b08b9b77179b316b971a714eaf/src/CUDA2HIP_SOLVER_API_types.cpp#L26

[fast pagoda]

the problem is

[rough bloom]

so idk what it needs the toolkit for

[fast pagoda]

cuda has 190345oi82174398749128 versions

[vague sonnet]

pytorch is bad because it's python

simple

[fast pagoda]

you have to target the specific cuda version you need

when you HIPify

so the best way to to do that is just install the pos

this is the overall rocm curse

it has to handle the fact that cuda is the default

and that's just janky and shitty

even if you get something that is like

native rocm

if you ever pull in any dependencies

99% of those will just yoink themselves a full ass cuda installation anyways

and that will overwrite half your shit with cuda versions

and then it's fuckin gover

rocm might as well be named segfault simulator

[fast pagoda]

was that you i had the same conversation with lmfao

[rough bloom]

looks like the CUDA dependency is for tests only?

[vague sonnet]

why are the tests included in the shipped version and not a separate repo hell nahh

[rough bloom]

mabe I'm just looking in the wrong place

probably am

[fast pagoda]

regardless of hipify itself needing cuda to exist in a vacuum

it exists solely to translate cuda to HIP

[vague sonnet]

yeah just never use hipify
and use just raw hip

[fast pagoda]

yeah you can do that jusit never use any dependencies ever

as they will then install cuda

that's been my experience anyways

stuff like triton is pretty much cuda only

for ROCm/HIP, you DONT NEED cuda for pretty much

pure rocm/hip dev

building rocm from source for a specifically amd target (which is what TheRock builds do)

running already hipified code on an amd gpu

hipify-perl

or any of the rocX libs

[fast pagoda]

hipify-clang needs cuda because it actually parses the AST which needs a working cuda install + headers on that system

oh also hipBLASLt for some reason requires cuda lule

it doesnt have a rocm only version and it CAN target nvidia

so it invariably pulls in cuda

it's deprecated tho

https://rocm.docs.amd.com/projects/HIP/en/docs-7.2.0/how-to/hip_porting_guide.html

hipify-clang is a Clang-based tool that parses code, translates it into an Abstract Syntax Tree, and generates the HIP source. For this, hipify-clang needs to be able to actually compile the code, so the CUDA code needs to be correct, and a CUDA install with all necessary headers must be provided.

hipify-perl uses pattern matching, to translate the CUDA code to HIP. It does not require a working CUDA installation, and can also convert CUDA code, that is not syntactically correct. It is therefore easier to set up and use, but is not as powerful as hipfiy-clang.

[rough bloom]

ye apparently it's just for the headers, which somewhat makes sense

[fast pagoda]

it's a good option @olive sable will tell you if he's awake (it's almost midnight for him)

[vague sonnet]

oh is toast same timezone as me

11:30pm here

[fast pagoda]

the perl version doesnt need it but it will also annihilate your codebase for free without a care

[warped narwhal]

I'm currently dragracing my 5950x vs an aws 64vcpu instance for what can compile linux the fastest, what do we thing is going to win?

[rough bloom]

still not sure why Nixpkgs doesn't seem to need it, but it also doesn't have many consumers of hipify so mabe that's just an exception or something

[fast pagoda]

im just guessing for nix that somehow nix shenanigans allows the included shite to be controlled in a way that it magicks that requirement away, or it pulls them in as needed somehow but not initially

or maybe it only uses hipify-perl

idk

since it's only needed for hipify

basically

[vague sonnet]

but yeah I did quite a bit of research on gpus
and that 24gb of vram is just too sweet to pass on
while not costing infinite money like the rtx 90s

[fast pagoda]

that's why i have an r9700

[rough bloom]

there's a good chance that it does

[fast pagoda]

that sounds like a nix thing to do

[rough bloom]

both rccl (why ???) and onnxruntime seem to use hipify-perl

not sure about torchaudio but it's not marked as broken and it uses hipify so it's probably the same

[rough bloom]

it's not a patch though

not a Nix thing

this is just how these projects are

[fast pagoda]

rickle pick is deprecated

(rccl)

[vague sonnet]

that's a nice one
out of my budget for now tho

[fast pagoda]

there's a w7900 with 48gb of vram if you want to spend RTX money

[rough bloom]

then why is the last commit 17h ago

[vague sonnet]

tho I technically already exceeded my budget
spending 2 salaries on a new pc and trying to calculate the food money lol

[fast pagoda]

rocm moment

ah it's just the repo that got deprecated

it got shoved into rocm-systems

[rough bloom]

ye

[fast pagoda]

god

rocm

what a clusterfuck

[rough bloom]

that I can agree on

how tf did they manage to make everything so

bad

[fast pagoda]

cuda

i blame jensen

[nocturne olive]

So is it true that Intel's GPU compute thingy is better than AMD's?

[vague sonnet]

it's cringe there is even a difference between cuda and rocm
can't they all just use the same shit smh

[fast pagoda]

it's not like cuda itself has a shiny compatibility issue free ecosystem in the first place

[rough bloom]

yeah, it's called OpenCL
not going very well

[fast pagoda]

intel's is just significantly different

[nocturne olive]

[fast pagoda]

like

most of the ml related stuff for intel gpus are forked

and extremely reliant on intel supporting that fork

[vague sonnet]

what the fork

[rough bloom]

ye

they went with a very different approach

zero CUDA compatibility, but they actually maintain important parts of the ecosystem themselves

[fast pagoda]

intel uses oneAPI but that's actually like 6 frameworks in a trenchcoat for example

and theyre all their own separate thing from cuda

amd tries to maintain interop but it's a disaster

intel tries to do its own thing

separate disaster for other reasons

pytorch IPEX is upstreamed now i think

which is near

neat*

mechanically, the difference is obvious

on amd/rocm

you can just use torch.cuda.is_available() and it will work

as if you're on cuda

for intel you will need to first import IPEX shit and then monkeypatch it for that to be possible (not sure since it was upstreamed tho)

i read somewhere the intel just dropped their SYCL support

well support as in

development support

in one of their OSS shrinks recently

which is an L

i hope i was wrong tybh that's like most of their stack

oh no it was a FFT lib for SYCL

sheesh

not as bad kek

[opaque sigil]

can't wait for nvidia to drop support for cuda c++

[vague sonnet]

[opaque sigil]

sycl is nice but too high level for my taste

[mighty thorn]

Let’s play ‘how many messages do I need to read before screeps’

[fast pagoda]

screeps

-1

[glass flower]

screeps talk was a bit ago now its AI time again

with how many players shiro recruited maybe its time to create a dedicated swarm screeps channel

[amber fractal]

Screeps goes until shiro gets bored again

[glass flower]

maybe... but i do plan to take it on properly now. my old codebase grew in a bad way, was also c#. And also now i know roughly what i need to design my system around already

no more surprise invader jumpscare

[stark needle]

screeps

the game i bought but played for like 5 minutes

[glass flower]

you should play it

[mighty thorn]

That would go crazy

[mighty thorn]

Ai you say?

[valid onyx]

Guys. just fixed kai's delayed responses. she now responds within milliseconds

it took me forever

[mighty thorn]

What’s a Kai

Kharacter AI

[valid onyx]

my own neuro ive been working on for months

[mighty thorn]

Interesting

How many months?

[valid onyx]

like 9

[valid onyx]

complete from scratch

[umbral wigeon]

My friend can't english, so I google translated my code

[valid onyx]

does it even work?

[umbral wigeon]

It's a multi-threading VMsDispatcher middle load balancer

[valid onyx]

lmao

[umbral wigeon]

(VMs I mean in this context is scripts that doing multiple tasks in parallel)

[mighty thorn]

Anything interesting feature/architecture wise?

Like that I wouldn’t expect

[valid onyx]

well. mostly ive been working on her personality. she has an evolving personality module that allows her to make her own personality over long chats so that way she isnt a set prompt

[valid onyx]

but nothing too crazy yet. because shes still like in bare bones. ive just been trying to actually get her to work first. if you know what i mean

[spice wraith]

@trail smelt please checkdms

[valid onyx]

i have plans for like game implementation and other stuff. shes not gonna be open sourced because i plan to stream with her. but im not trying to get copyright infringement or whatever from vedal so she is gonna be a completely different personality, model, type of streaming, for example she isnt going to have a singing module as thats neuros whole schtick basically

im trying to make her as unique as possible

[mighty thorn]

Vedal doesn’t own the concept of having an LLM do your entertainment job for you

[valid onyx]

ok.

i just didnt want people saying. OH thats just neuro. this guy is copying her. etc

[valid onyx]

i thought. Oh neuro seems so cool. so i decided to build my own. its been such a difficult journey. as im only 18. so i have to juggle with school and all that

[mighty thorn]

No no

They’ll still do that

Trust me

[valid onyx]

oh i know

[mighty thorn]

Source: I’ve been making one for 15 months

[valid onyx]

seriously?

hows it going?

are you planning to stream or is it just for fun?

[stark needle]

yeah kaine what happened to her lmao

[mighty thorn]

Well mine is focused around being on discord and using experimental tech so the plan changes basically every week

However

I think the big update will be coming soon

[valid onyx]

ah so not for streaming?

[mighty thorn]

Likely both

Depending on some tech I’m working on

But my expectations for serious popularity are zero

[mighty thorn]

She says she is fine #1333098090772693062 message

[valid onyx]

you gotta promote. what ive been doing is doing like dev vlogs on tiktok. and people are loving it. i even got a twitch streamer with like 40k subs on tiktok and she commented. saying it was cool

[valid onyx]

if you do end up streaming is it gonna be vtuber or no

my plan is vtuber. i have her model picked out

[mighty thorn]

Likely but my model was ¢33 on Etsy and I don’t plan on paying $300-$800 for a custom one so we will see

I have no intents of making money with it tho

[valid onyx]

yeah me neither. im just using default model for now. but not the one neuro had. im using a completely different default model. it was like 5$ a month for access to hundreds of different models

[stark needle]

what did they add a sub now?

[valid onyx]

no. im just using a different program. because the one vedal used originally only had three models.

[stark needle]

does ur program have a good api

[valid onyx]

yes

[valid onyx]

im gonna implement her model in probably next week or the week after. my birthday is this upcoming week so i wont be able to work on her that day

[stark needle]

nice

if i had a live2d model i could put mine on my phone app

[valid onyx]

it took so long for me to figure out how to get millisecond responses from kai. originally i had to wait anywhere from 3-60+ seconds.

[stark needle]

wait i do but its from 2024 and old model and it's trash

[valid onyx]

in order to get millisecond responses what i had to do was have a fast response server that captured my voice from discord and responded but sent the data to my main brain so it will have all her personalities and such

[valid onyx]

do you think i could check your ai out. not the code but just like chat with it

so i could get ideas for mine

[mighty thorn]

Uhhhh

Gimme a sec

[valid onyx]

?

[olive sable]

already watched that

I liked the greatest showman. 8/10

[stark needle]

pov: pov moment

[olive sable]

theatre pc doens thave gpu yet, and eventho res evil 1 would probably run well on the igpu of the 13400 i just stole the 7900xtx from my desktop

apparently gpu swap takes only 25minutes

[olive sable]

ye its a good gpu

[stark needle]

the sec never happened

[olive sable]

45W charging is not a joke, jesus christ

form 6 to 70% in 20 min

the ETA of "1 hour" means 20 min for the first 70%,a nd then 40min for the rest???

[mighty thorn]

It happened in DMs bozo

[sick owl]

I'm convinced Capcom employed some sort of dark magic for Resident Evil Requiems graphics

[olive sable]

nah they jsut hire middle aged guys to pose for them

[sick owl]

Its ridiculous

This is running at 4K/120fps

Albeit frame gen 2x but even then, 60 is still mind blowing at 4k with a game that looks like this on last gen hardware

[nocturne olive]

AI VTuber singing is like literally not even remotely a Neuro only thing

Also singing is stupid easy to implement

[valid onyx]

oh. i didnt know that

[valid onyx]

yeah i know

[nocturne olive]

I specifically specialize in vocal synthesis

[valid onyx]

interesting. i might need your help later on

[nocturne olive]

Do note you'll need to provide quite a lot of audio data if you want anything to work

[stark needle]

yeah fr u just need like 70$ or literally free if u use that oss thing

[nocturne olive]

open-source vocal synthesis is really incredible

All you need is a good GPU to train it on really, and the knowhow of how to configure it

I'm probably gonna make a better GUI for it in Kotlin later after or right before NeuroSynth's release

[mighty thorn]

You know

He actually has this project

He keeps it kinda lowkey so you may not have heard of it

But it’s called Neurosynth

[nocturne olive]

Biggest NeuroSynth fan be like

[mighty thorn]

Is it tho

Voice is one thing

I’ve only had failures with locally running song covers

And that’s without complex stuff like mixing and lyric replacement

Which Neuro has both of

[nocturne olive]

I assume you mean RVC, which alone sucks

[sick owl]

Open source machine learning is basically mind-blowing in every respect for what you can achieve on (relatively) modest hardware

From LLMs to vocal synth to VLAs to upscalers

[mighty thorn]

(this is the part where he then mentions some really popular song covering model which I’ve somehow never heard of before)

(and it isn’t Neurosynth cause that’s still confidential state secret)

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth's tech stack is able to work just fine as long as you have computer, and it definitely won't randomly break like RVC does

[mighty thorn]

(he failed that second constraint)

[nocturne olive]

[mighty thorn]

#programming message

This was supposed to be the part where you suddenly recommend a model I’ve never heard of that does song covering really good

[nocturne olive]

[mighty thorn]

If only someone was developing something like that

[olive sable]

i have discovered the fatal flaw in my screeps code

edgecase

[split steppe]

yep clanker

[kindred nymph]

I'd thought I was decent at the terminal, but I just switched to linux and god damn

[flat basin]

I’m in a server called Linus Torvalds fan club

[kindred nymph]

I just got python working again so that's awesome

[opaque wharf]

Use typescript

[opaque sigil]

speaking of typescript

7.0 is out apparently?

oh nvm it's the beta

[olive sable]

not the kind of edgecases i meant

logical error caused by how i programmed it

intended behavior did not translate to actual behavior

[opaque wharf]

Ain't no way lol

[opaque sigil]

beta came out a couple day ago yea

[opaque wharf]

Rewrite it in rust

[olive sable]

nah

[opaque wharf]

My vue tooling

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[olive sable]

rewriting in rust would not fix code flawed at the level of it just being a bad design

[opaque wharf]

Some people would disagree with that statement and insist that rust forces you to write good code because of the compiler

[olive sable]

idk how the compielr does shit in rust besides the community not allowing me to do things how i want. but in this case the error was definitely not on the computer side but on the coder side

rust wont fix bad design

[opaque wharf]

Exactly

[young plover]

Fearless concurrency
look inside
Arc<Mutex<T>>

Sometimes Pin<> too but I still don't know how exactly that works.

[opaque sigil]

[marble peak]

What you mean?

[jagged turtle]

not for a long while

shiro marketing pay required

[real sierra]

holy necroping

[tender river]

forgot glasses

[silent cloak]

Speaking of readable code

[jagged turtle]

blame discord

[real sierra]

how is your screeps journey going

[jagged turtle]

alright, although I think I softlocked myself

[real sierra]

my screeps are alive for now but they've kinda peaked, they lack the functionality to do much more at this stage

[real sierra]

impossible, the spawner passively generates energy

[jagged turtle]

no as in

I am missing some code but I can't view the code anymore

it just pushed me past

so now I can't progress

[real sierra]

oh you mean in the tutorial

[jagged turtle]

unless exiting the game restarts the tutorial

[real sierra]

just gotta restart ig

[jagged turtle]

ok

btw I think NN has lost the plot

so I'm gonna reside here for now

[minor sail]

:V ok

[silent cloak]

Wtf is a screeps tho

[jagged turtle]

scripting creeps

[silent cloak]

Roblox lua devs

[patent shard]

Roar by Evil with vocals isolated and reverb removed and then compressed with ~2.5kbps Speex and then converted to a Discord friendly format

[minor sail]

.flac but compress to 2.5kbps.

what in the world

[patent shard]

here's the original if you want, won't play in Discord

wow, those parts at 2:26 are gnarly

[minor sail]

why compress to 2.5kbps? are sharing with dialup users?

[patent shard]

idk
ah, yes, much nicer on the ears...

[minor sail]

yes

[patent shard]

there's reverb near the end :/

that's fascinating... it seems the harmony eats too much bitrate and makes it turn to shit
huh

it was only 2.5 to 3kbps mhm

Warning: Speex is only optimized for 8, 16 and 32 kHz. It will still work at 11025 Hz but your mileage may vary also saw this.. that's.. interesting
11025 actually sounded the best.. 16khz had this really grainy sound that just hurt the audio quality

[minor sail]

11025, what is with that number?

why no 48k

why even speex at all

[patent shard]

cause it makes the vocoder sound

[minor sail]

bleh

[patent shard]

I also think Speex kind of beat Opus at low bitrates... HOWEVER, I think the Opus speech optimizations starting with 1.5 probably make it way more competitive
but they aren't built by default and I'm too dumb to figure it out, gah

these are the official examples

[minor sail]

female_nolace_6k.wav excuse me, I prefer my females with lace

[true hemlock]

i think my bottleneck is that i only have 1 energy source

took whole night for the controller to almost hit level 3

[patent shard]

https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.14521

[true hemlock]

sureeeely

[patent shard]

adatpive

[glad path]

nah, this

[patent shard]

so Opus is using a low complexity neural network model with post filtering... I think?
they don't build it by default because it raises the binary size by 1.6mb >.>
I used the windows build but I don't think it had it either, pfft

that's insane, 6kbps NoLACE sounds better than 9kbps without the speech optimization

The LACE model has a complexity of 100 MFLOPS which leads to a run-time cost of ~0.15% CPU usage. The NoLACE model has a complexity of 400 MFLOPS which corresponds to a run-time cost of ~0.75% CPU usage.

[true hemlock]

im being robbed

[opaque wharf]

Sam already told you that you're their buffer

[patent shard]

I find it funny how the quality increases past a certain loss

[heavy pine]

https://fixvx.com/BUSSIN_NUTZ_69/status/2047964988216942993?s=20

BUSSIN_NUTZ (w/busted knuckle too) (@BUSSIN_NUTZ_69)

She coded a calculator in rust and one half of chat is saying "peak content" and the other half is hitting on calculator-chan

QRT: Themyster1ous01
is your oshi autistic?

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 25, 2026, 9:04 AM

[silent cloak]

why is she coding it like that

also no way kali linux in the year of 2026?

looks different from the last time i used it

[south whale]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-angy-angry-grr-eyes-gif-11081028533343043355

[glad path]

hi

[vague sonnet]

Toast

[maiden geyser]

linking this and not pinging computed fn is insane

awawawawawa

[kind nimbus]

If anyone is hoarding Linux ISOs here. There is a kings day deal promo today at eweka.

[glass jetty]

learning rust with vtuber

lets gooo

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444655245568245803/1482696967116165203/caption.webp

[glass jetty]

btw, idk what else, is this kind of complete?

[glass jetty]

yeah like this

[jagged turtle]

rustuber

[opaque wharf]

I am toast here

[maiden geyser]

ok, starknight#1001

[opaque wharf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1422403247372505108/1471600452654334087/PregJORBknight.gif

[sage crag]

[maiden geyser]

immortal venerable war

[novel flare]

hi guys

[maiden geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/961105387019456544/1455262183431864320/kill_sprout.gif

[sage crag]

wrr

[novel flare]

D:_ _

[tender river]

immortal venerable wrr is wrr

[opaque wharf]

Wrr is the sound my cats make when they are being pet

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1480869358719733924.webp?size=48&animated=true

wrr

[opaque wharf]

He is sleeping

[vague sonnet]

parasocial + rust user = schizo

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444655245568245803/1482696967116165203/caption.webp

[maiden geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053347527157628974/1122877538348302416/ED6EFBC5-A68E-48C6-9103-B123B1ECC22D.gif

[kind nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1338967835501924431/neurowashingmachine.gif

[mighty bane]

Use a .png for that instead

[maiden geyser]

you can't favourite a png

[novel flare]

Pros of light mode: u don't get trolled

[mighty bane]

No, but you can put it in the clipboard and WinKey-V when needed.

[mighty bane]

is it not grey in lightmode?

[glass jetty]

im losing my mind but i dont want to talk about it

[umbral wigeon]

What do yall thinks about reddit

[mighty bane]

I can't navigate the site.

[maiden geyser]

🍇 🌽 website

[mighty thorn]

Neurosynth

[sage crag]

i not cat

[mighty thorn]

Debatable

[sage crag]

you explod

[opaque wharf]

[mighty thorn]

Cat

[rigid snow]

tv

[tender river]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-gif-27574448

[jagged turtle]

[nocturne olive]

Evil but she's an early UTAU

[nocturne olive]

That is so impressively clean
I need this technology

[mighty thorn]

Dunkin’ Donuts

More like

More like

Dunkin #programming

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-twoold-gif-19627910

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

[mighty thorn]

I’m a pivotal member of this community

Also screeps

[tender river]

[mighty thorn]

Why are you cheers

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444655245568245803/1482696967116165203/caption.webp

[fast pagoda]

cheers mate

[wind merlin]

[tender river]

emi

[wind merlin]

My gif

[tender river]

my gif now

[rigid snow]

why is it animated

compression noise look nice

[sage crag]

wrr

[rigid snow]

yeah

[amber fractal]

Why not cheers?

[mighty thorn]

it

[opaque wharf]

He is purring

[glass jetty]

car

[vague sonnet]

mods kill this guy

[stark needle]

I love breaking my grub install

Truly the moment of all time

[glass jetty]

why

just boot from live and chroot

surely you have live, right?

[trim valve]

"just"

[glass jetty]

idk, to install arch you have to use live iso anyway

[opaque wharf]

The perks of not using bootmanager is my install never broke

[glass jetty]

you write own .efi?

like, installing grub is just two commands

[rigid snow]

systemd-boot my beloved

[fast pagoda]

im scared of systemd boot

have never opted to use it

[split steppe]

i use it whenever i can, it works wonderfully

grub is too jank nowadays in comparison

[glass jetty]

[opaque wharf]

You don't? It's just one command using efibootmgr

[glass jetty]

with configuration like everything?
grub use efibootmgr btw, you cant setup grub without this package

[opaque wharf]

Yes? It only requires UUID

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/EFI_boot_stub#Using_UEFI_directly

[trim valve]

I might've actually found a use for a 40g network card

SMPTE 2110 needs 3 gig per video channel

[glass jetty]

ok
but you cant dualboot without grub, unless you somehow bootload windows from linux

[trim valve]

if not more above 1080p

though all of this is just a pain in the ass to actually deal with

[rough bloom]

you can, any modern UEFI manages multiple boot entries itself, selectable in the boot menu

[nocturne olive]

You won't have a really cool boot selector menu from GRUB that way though

[trim valve]

can't fit 4k on a single 10gbit link

[glass jetty]

you mean changing boot order from inside uefi gui itself?

[rough bloom]

not boot order, the boot menu is a separate thing that allows you to boot into a certain OS or device just once without making permanent changes
though it should also be exposed in the boot order

[novel flare]

No, it's white

[opaque wharf]

I can. Most motherboard support selecting boot item by pressing key combination when turning on

Usually you press Del or others to go into UEFI, same thing

When you press F8 during boot it will show the boot menu

[glass jetty]

let me try

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, it's motherboard dependent

So check your manual if on PC

Btw, what is the difference between percona and mariadb?

[glass jetty]

not work for me, tried also f9 f10

f2 is enter uefi gui, its all

i can only change boot order to windows and its all

in gui

not in some menu

[opaque wharf]

What's your motherboard?

[glass jetty]

hibernation is best thing btw

[glass jetty]

remind me how to ger model from dmidecode

[opaque wharf]

I have no idea lol

[glass jetty]

Version: X415EA

[rough bloom]

it's possible that it's disabled or something, as computed_toast said, it's motherboard-dependent
but you almost certainly have it, it's the same menu used to select boot devices

[trim valve]

thanks spotify, you somehow broke your app and now I can't update it

[glass jetty]

you are using spotify? what about cmus?

[trim valve]

sorry i value going outside over larp

[glass jetty]

like literally i never used any player app except evilplayer to download new music
for new music i just watch youtube playlists...

[trim valve]

idk I use spotify because it has a decent ability to give me more of what I like

and I can't easily download a lot of the music I like

[glass jetty]

why?

[trim valve]

don't have a lot of spare storage on my phone, and I spend a decent amount of time listening on my phone

[glass jetty]

only about 3gb for me for 25+ hours idk

why load from network if you use it frequently

29h

[trim valve]

I also prefer being able to passively find new music

instead of actively searching it out

[glass jetty]

btw, why mtp sooooo slow

it WAS faster for me to upload from pc and then download on phone

but since everything is blocked now, since i have no vpn implementation for android, i have to use mtp to drop music on phone

[stark needle]

I broke my ubuntu install lmao

Xfs filesystem issues and broken microkernel

[glass jetty]

install arch instead

or debian with kde

[stark needle]

No

Ubuntu 26 or go home

[glass jetty]

[mighty bane]

Disgusting D:

[split steppe]

because MTP is over 20 years old as a protocol and complete ass

built for an era when transfer speeds were measured in kilobytes

[stark needle]

I'm not gonna install weird schizo os that turns me into a de-facto sysadmin

[split steppe]

install Fedora

[trim valve]

shadow install nix

[stark needle]

Sucks i alr was a rhel user for some time

[split steppe]

rhel aint quite the same

[stark needle]

Still a ton of stuff i need runs only on ubuntu and not some random systems

[split steppe]

what kind of stuff you using that's ubuntu only?

[stark needle]

Machine learning, a lot of stuff is ubuntu only

People build stuff assuming ur using Ubuntu

Nvidia dgx os is ubuntu itself

[split steppe]

🤔

[proven merlin]

-> LXC

[rough bloom]

Docker should work fine in most cases

[proven merlin]

Sure that also works but i prefer LXC so i will say that lol

[rough bloom]

but ye if you want stuff to run without containerization or patching Ubuntu is probably the path of least resistance

[sage crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ7jJvYXOcY

[rough bloom]

do not

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/fubuki-confused-hololive-gif-18015941

i will

wrr

[rough bloom]

[glass jetty]

black one exist?

[stark needle]

No thanks im not gonna run nested operating systems

[glass jetty]

[umbral wigeon]

Why does some github profile looks like north korea general

[tender river]

uncook

uncook

uncook

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1423626339801632881.webp?size=48&animated=true

[sage crag]

[umbral wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-warhammer-warhammer-40k-warhammer40k-gif-16687471302367369038

[umbral wigeon]

More badges and contribution = make you more human and valuable

(Based on some reddit post)

[flint dome]

my measure of worth is based on the fact of how much you can shitpost and occasionally shitpost relevant to the stuff you work on

if your memes are good you are good

[umbral wigeon]

[umbral wigeon]

Github = human

Gitlab = human

Codeforces = human

Leetcode = human

Hackerrank = human

[flint dome]

on that note should I try to utterly torture myself by trying to figure out the proprietary spi/i2c protocol by bitbanging it and then using that to run doom on it

i might do it if I have time

front

@opaque wharf what do you think should I try and waste my time will it be worth it or should I not

[opaque sigil]

is that ripped out of a car?

[opaque wharf]

I think it's fun if you have the time. It'll also teach you how to do reverse engineering of a digital communication

But not bitbang it

[nocturne olive]

Do programmers like GUMI songs?

[opaque wharf]

Kokoronashi when?

[stark needle]

I love gumi v2

[nocturne olive]

The sad thing with SynthV 2 is that the pitch curve can't be manually overwritten, only directed

[flint dome]

more of a teto and luka fan but gumi always appreciated

[nocturne olive]

What's that song?

[nocturne olive]

[flint dome]

fire papiyon song

[nocturne olive]

Can I like, have a link?

[flint dome]

the electrons yearn to travel with their kin not in the air

[flint dome]

https://youtu.be/3SkNrZnoK5w?si=eTdZRfmG4MLyKqUI

[kind nimbus]

Yea

[nocturne olive]

No VSQx

[opaque wharf]

[nocturne olive]

Where am I gonna find more random stuff to drop NeuroSynth on

With the power of SynthV pitch models I could technically probably match PB's karaoke pace and make "Neuro karaoke but Neuro has energy in her singing" a real thing

If I really wanted to anyway

[flint dome]

https://tenor.com/view/jesse-mcsm-minecraft-minecraft-story-mode-we-need-to-cook-gif-8065116237054654214

[nocturne olive]

If you feel like it you can transcribe it for any vocal synthesizer of your choosing and I would be capable of importing it into NeuroSynth

In the meantime, surely programmers like robots with ears

[stark needle]

chat is this it

finally normal ram usage

not somehow using 64gb ram on idle

frigging windows crypto miner

[nocturne olive]

[stark needle]

is this idle

[mighty thorn]

I wonder if I can beat screeps before I play it

[glass flower]

[stark needle]

make gpt 5.5 pro extended reasoning go all-in and cook the ultimate screeps bot algorithm

[nocturne olive]

Well basically, most of the memory is Discord and web memory leaks and nothing that actually should be using a ton of memory

[stark needle]

use reinforcement learning

[stark needle]

bruh

[mighty thorn]

Like read enough of the docs and the Reddit and shit to make a codebase to autonomously gain control of the server before I actually launch the game and deploy it

[glass flower]

i mean that would kinda work with a private server

[nocturne olive]

It's like 30GB web app memory leaks at least

[stark needle]

wtf

somehow

[nocturne olive]

Exactly my thoughts

[stark needle]

switching to linux

made my ethernet 300mbit faster

mystery ethernet improvement

[glass flower]

the main issue with that approach is the progression part. you don't have everything at once. Since you build up throughout the levels.

[mighty thorn]

Switching to Linux made my dad come back with the milk

[stark needle]

bro idk how my speed doubled

the antenna is in literally the same place

connected with the same cable

to the same device

some day i'm gonna run a 15 meter cable till my 10gbps switch

[nocturne olive]

Better driver I guess?

[mighty thorn]

Neurosynth

[nocturne olive]

[glass jetty]

i created std::function

[sage crag]

fn main() {
    let mut x: i8 = 4;
    let function: &'static dyn Fn(&mut i8)->i8 = &|x| { *x = 1; *x + 1 };
    assert!(function(&mut x) == 2);
}

[tender river]

'static dyn Fn

[glass jetty]

will it work with some y?

if you catch it into

[sage crag]

what do you mean by that

[glass jetty]

it is reference constant, right there

[sage crag]

?

[tender river]

it wont capture anything if thats what you mean

unless that anything is also static

[mighty bane]

AEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1327869695159701597/1488975959347433502/scream-cat_glitch.webp

[tender river]

[sage crag]

if your function doesnt live for the duration of the program then your function is very silly

[tender river]

fn(&mut i8) -> i8

[sage crag]

ye

i just used dyn object becaus they use dyn object

can fn typed variable be mutated at runtime

[tender river]

ye

[sage crag]

ohisee

just function ptr

[tender river]

ye

any type that can be named in rust has multiple possible inhabitants

[sage crag]

what about

enum {}

[tender river]

zero is multiple

[mighty bane]

This took like.. 4 minutes to do >.<

[tender river]

one is multiple

[sage crag]

...no

[tender river]

[nocturne olive]

Don't do that you're gonna crash my incredibly overbuilt high end gaming PC

[sage crag]

oh is that a gif

[nocturne olive]

That GIF lags soo baaaadddd

[sage crag]

it took a while to load but it doesnt lag

is your pc ok

[nocturne olive]

[tender river]

what i meant is
can be created in multiple places
unlike unnameable function types that are tied to their creation site

[mighty bane]

Do what?

[nocturne olive]

Upload a gigantic GIF

Please use a regular video file or something

[mighty bane]

It's not a .gif

[tender river]

waaaaa

so sleeepyyyyy

[sage crag]

rust rtti

[nocturne olive]

Well whatever it is Discord is not having a good time rendering it

[mighty bane]

Look chat.. she's happy.

[glass jetty]

how do i declare lifetime for y here?

[mighty bane]

Why is the hair so bork'd?=

[sage crag]

Rc not threadsafe

or something

[tender river]

you dont have to

just remove it

[glass jetty]

wait what

[tender river]

&mut dyn FnMut......

wrrrrr