programming

[obsidian mantle]

is it actually impossible in a vm

[rough bloom]

possible but probably not with VirtualBox

[obsidian mantle]

ohh i see

[vague sonnet]

you don't need a virtual machine when you have a real machine

[amber fractal]

That entirety depends on how strict you are with your projects

[obsidian mantle]

i just want to test something from clean install without installing new OS from scratch.. also would be neat to have my actual OS running simultaniously

[vague sonnet]

who's gonna tell you how shit your code is if you're alone? you wouldn't be good enough to know yourself

[rough bloom]

On Linux you'd want to use KVM through qemu or libvirt, there's many guides for GPU passthrough with this setup online
On Windows I think Hyper-V can do it? But really not sure

[amber fractal]

do project review as you learn

Look back at your old stuff

Or hell even look at what the language expects

[vague sonnet]

I'm not saying you can't learn anything on your own
but the speed won't ever be the same as if you had experts in the field coaching you

[umbral wigeon]

"Python is easy to read", also python:

[vague sonnet]

no one says python is easy to read, biggest lie ever

[rough bloom]

just know that if you pass a GPU (or any other PCIe device) through to a VM, your host can't have it anymore
so if you want graphics on both at once you kinda need two GPUs

[amber fractal]

Python is just close to English, it takes many sacrifices to get there

[amber fractal]

Close is good enough imo

[umbral wigeon]

Does tmux works with neovim

[obsidian mantle]

it makes total sense
and i have my old gpu too.. but it looks like a hard task to me to set it up like this would actually rather just boot up entire old pc

[umbral wigeon]

I'm thinking about making neovim, llm intergated(like antigravity but on terminal), lazyvim

[rough bloom]

easier

[vague sonnet]

it's not close lmao

[umbral wigeon]

I saw someone have something like that, and it's look like it's some sci fi hacker terminal lmao

[vague sonnet]

I learnt more in 1 month with experts than I did on my own in years

[amber fractal]

Agree to disagree there

[vague sonnet]

you probably never actually had anyone good teach you

[stark needle]

Wym this IS easy to read

[jagged turtle]

maybe it's just me but it's easy to read for me

[umbral wigeon]

I just wanna say I dont like python inden :p

[jagged turtle]

indentation is quite annoying

[amber fractal]

Good to know we are moving on to insulting eachothers character now. I'll say that sure I haven't had anyone good if that'd answer as you expect.
I'm done debating

[stark needle]

:niuh:

[vague sonnet]

if you take it as an insult that's on you

[flint dome]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-what-gif-3784745843284049350

mate r u ok

[tropic spindle]

Petition to bring back medieval rat torture for anyone who uses spaces instead of tabs

[sage crag]

beep

happie happie

everyone smile

[stark needle]

Google internal source code pov

Im not even kidding

[tender river]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1425866336265043978.png?size=160&name=MiniYayClassic&lossless=true

[tender river]

ewe

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

wrr

[tropic spindle]

GEE I SURE LOVE 4 BUTTON PRESSES INSTEAD OF ONE HOW CONVENIENT AND AMAZING AND NOT ANNOYING IS THAT AM I RIGHT

[tender river]

[sage crag]

[stark needle]

We had a plugin that converted tabs to spaces automatically iirc

[sage crag]

it called

formatter

[stark needle]

lmao

[sage crag]

[stark needle]

true

hi wrr

[tropic spindle]

Should be the other way around

Tabs are also less bytes to store

[sage crag]

3 bytes per tab-reduced-from-four-spaces

huge

[tender river]

use 3 space formatting

then overhead is only 2 bytes

[stark needle]

There was an April fools at google where they made that announcement and i fell for it

We have posters in the toilet with like conventions and stuff

And the april fools one was using tabs instead of spaces

To "save disk space"

[vague sonnet]

if your IDE doesn't do that change your IDE

[tropic spindle]

Now do that tens of thousands of times

[tender river]

oh i remember you saying once your reason for preferring tabs over spaces isnt storage space
is it accessibility?

[sage crag]

assume 1 million lines of code, each line is indented 4 times, thats 16 million bytes used on indentation, the horror, we can reduce it to only 4 million bytes by replacing with tabs. assuming a common style guide of 70 chars per line, thats saved a massive 12mb of like, 86mb

basically its negligible

this is a super exaggerated case

[rough bloom]

immortal venerable

[opaque wharf]

Too exaggerated

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

[tropic spindle]

If you don't think 12MB saved in code is significant idk what to tell you

[sage crag]

yee its more uniform for things like screen readers

[vague sonnet]

70 chars? what
is that averaged with empty lines for } or what

[sage crag]

did u miss the part where its 4 indentations on every line and the original file size is 86mb

[opaque wharf]

70-80 chars are usual for style guide

[tropic spindle]

86MB -> 74MB is VERY significant

[vague sonnet]

that's noooot enough

[sage crag]

i prefer tabs to spaces, but the size argument is completely stupid

[vague sonnet]

double that

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

the cheapest thing to expand on a computer is storage

[opaque wharf]

Nay

[rough bloom]

code size at all is barely relevant, it's tiny and easily compressible

[jagged turtle]

What in the fuck did I tab back into

[tropic spindle]

That's about 13%

[vague sonnet]

actually installing an extra fan is cheaper

[tropic spindle]

"We can waste efficiency so we could"

[opaque wharf]

It's stored data

[tropic spindle]

It's this stupid attitude that leads to all modern software being unoptimized garbage

[sage crag]

[rough bloom]

if you have 86 MB of code then I fear you might have more trouble with build artifacts than your code

[sage crag]

tabs are killing games tabs are killing optimised software aaafggrhrhr im so sad and

[tropic spindle]

Imagine being offered something for either $5 or $20 and it's the exact same product but you choose to pay $20 just because you have the money

[vague sonnet]

yeah because compiler really cares what kind of whitespaces you use
actually you don't need to use any kind of indentation in c/c++

just save the bytes by writing it all in one line

[tropic spindle]

One of the few good things about C++ I suppose

[sage crag]

lets minify all code to look like obfuscated js

[vague sonnet]

you're either a troll
or a rust user (basically a troll)

[rough bloom]

I think as a compromise we should all switch to using tabs on even lines and spaces on odd lines

harmony

[sage crag]

insane prejudice against a language that has 100mb hello world binaries

[sage crag]

[tropic spindle]

I would rather be castrated without anaesthesia than use Rust

[vague sonnet]

do you write in assembly?

or straight binary?

[tropic spindle]

Should be minified when stored and prettified when loaded into an IDE

[sage crag]

we have something more effective than that

its called

compression

[rough bloom]

a build process? IDE? inefficient, get rid of those

[sage crag]

and its automatic, your filesystem does it for free

[tropic spindle]

Once I learn it I do intend to do that as much as possible

[sage crag]

what a waste of time

[tropic spindle]

Not when it's not configured to

[sage crag]

software that only works on one architecture and one operating system

efficiency

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

your pc is also not configured to explode by default but you can make it if you configure it to

[tender river]

[sage crag]

defaults are often sane and designed with idiots in mind

very relevant for you

[tender river]

source code size is always negligible

[sage crag]

because we dont distribute source code

[tender river]

we do on github

[sage crag]

ye but github owned by microsoft, im doing a public service by uploading bad code

[tender river]

but any remotely sane way of storing source code will not overshadow all other files

[opaque wharf]

It is at this moment I mise @desert plaza

[deft bone]

Why are people hating the idea of assembler apps here? Some of the best, most reliable ones are written in it. (And vubecoding in assembler will be the inevitable next step, but that's another talk)

[sage crag]

distributed as files containing just 1 character each which has been duplicated 1024 timed

[opaque wharf]

Because making actual software fast is better than having a theoretical software

[rough bloom]

massive waste of time, zero portability

Some of the best, most reliable ones are written in it
please provide example

[sage crag]

youre giving a sane argument to someone who just said

vibecoding in assembler will be the inevitable next step

as if compilers dont exist

[tender river]

vibe compiler

[sage crag]

pleas

[tender river]

give js code to llm to produce arch-specific assembly

[sage crag]

helo llm i would like 1 binary for x86_64-v3 linux 7.0.0 i want it to play flappy bird

[opaque wharf]

You're onto something there

[tender river]

hi yes please run this
ud2

[sage crag]

it said

sigill

what does that mean

pls fix

[tender river]

it means your system is ill

please buy

medicine

[vague sonnet]

seagull, it's a kind of bird

[sage crag]

ohisee

seagull disease

need to buy bird medicine

[rigid snow]

dfjkdfjkhsfsh

[opaque wharf]

It means your pc is possessed. Please search for the demonic sigil

[sage crag]

demon seagull which is ill

i understand

this person has been typing for a while

are they having a temper tantrum

[deft bone]

I'm not that knowledgeable but a lot of the old shit is in it, is it not?? Important things like the task manager for example. Or recently i used ValiDrive to check the new SSD i bought, it's a new app and much better than trying to use someone's python prototype from github

[sage crag]

[vague sonnet]

last real world use of writing in assembly was writing a compiler to never have to write in assembly again

[rigid snow]

task maganer > electron framekwork

need

i will write

[sage crag]

no, it is used in bootloaders and kernels, as a shim to jump to compiled code

[rigid snow]

(not)

[opaque wharf]

Naah, use whatsitcalled yesterday framework for bun

[vague sonnet]

bun

ny

[sage crag]

there are still uses of asm, its just not used for writing whole programs unless youre targeting an embedded platform with specific requirements

[tender river]

rollercoaster tycoon

[sage crag]

m

[opaque wharf]

Even for embedded I still use C

[sage crag]

super mario 64 written in c

not asm

[sage crag]

ye that why specific requirements is added

[rigid snow]

merged 5 DAYS AGO:

hardcoded fucking path in a prod release

thanks

[tender river]

electrobun

ow

my tongue

[opaque wharf]

We should just make a cross platform framework called proton

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

based on gecko

obviously

[vague sonnet]

I've seen way worse

[rough bloom]

really old stuff is, but there's been very little need to write anything in assembly since C exists, especially whole programs
for basically any graphical app with actual functionality on a modern OS you can pretty much assume that it's not written in assembly
and the decision to use assembly somewhere is more because you need something platform-specific, not because of reliability (quite the opposite )

[rigid snow]

nope pls no no no don't no

[tender river]

oh that reminds me of those fake packs of gum for pranks that shock you if you try to pull one out i remember i wrapped mine in an actual gum wrapper so it was harder to tell

[sage crag]

ope

too late

mozilla foundation

[tender river]

gecko

can actually be used

on android

as the only decent way to ship a browser independent of system webview

i used it once

[opaque wharf]

This implies you've make electron-like framework for android

What have you just done

[tender river]

its a thing from mozilla

[rough bloom]

have you ever heard of

Despia

[tender river]

https://mozilla.github.io/geckoview/

[opaque wharf]

[rigid snow]

the type of framework superbox will create driven by his hatred of electron for wasting resources that also happens to blind him of the fact that gecko is actually a way worse resource hog

[tender river]

her now

[rigid snow]

noted

[opaque wharf]

https://despia.com/

[amber fractal]

switch the A to R

Or rather add an R

[opaque wharf]

Nah, switch position and add r

[amber fractal]

Yep

[rigid snow]

i've had the unfortunate need to use a tauri app on ios

it's...

bad

why did they even decide to support ios why

[vague sonnet]

I think it would be funny if everyone collectively decided to stop supporting ios

[rigid snow]

just the web app wrappers pls

[vague sonnet]

wat actually brb gonna nuke apple app store servers real quick

[rigid snow]

[opaque wharf]

I also have reached enlightenment. The reason web app is so prevalent is because the platform needs to catch up to the standard rather than you that needs to catch up to the platform

Say you write a form filing app. You can make it a web app and have the burden to support it on the browser for every os

Or you can burden yourself learning every os API

[rigid snow]

or you can go contribute to a cross platform framework like qt

so it's better

[tropic spindle]

As if 10 trillion cross platform frameworks that aren't web app garbage don't already exist lol

[opaque wharf]

And be at the mercy of the platform again when things changes

[rigid snow]

eh not really

[tropic spindle]

That happens with browsers too

[rigid snow]

also not really

[opaque wharf]

But you have 3 vendor

[tropic spindle]

And they are basically a cabal

[opaque wharf]

Instead of QT just one

[rigid snow]

it doesn't, yeah firefox/chromium/webkit is worse than things ever changing

[opaque wharf]

Still more resources than a single company

[tropic spindle]

Mozilla is basically a Google puppet half the time

Everything else is just Chromium, and Safari who knows wtf Apple is doing

[rigid snow]

webkit

[tropic spindle]

Stolen from ye olden KHTML

[rigid snow]

when it's anyone else it's a fork but apple stole it yeah sure

[tropic spindle]

It's a fork when it can still be contributed back to upstream

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

its downstream when it can be contributed upstream

[chrome rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-massage-scratch-headpats-gif-8875223072481535298

[sage crag]

its a fork when it does its own thing

[chrome rampart]

haii programming beans

[opaque wharf]

Fork, vendoring, downstream

Here, have a topology

[rough bloom]

hello buh "owl = stinky" spoon

[tender river]

its a fork when it has a few prongs

[sage crag]

ohisee

[chrome rampart]

haii toast

[tender river]

java

[chrome rampart]

whar

[tender river]

java

[chrome rampart]

java?

[tender river]

ye

[chrome rampart]

do u know java

[opaque wharf]

Beans

Java

[tropic spindle]

[sage crag]

gpl3 lgpl2 and gpl 2 library

[opaque wharf]

Netbeans

[chrome rampart]

I see

[opaque wharf]

Also called the bane of IDE

[tender river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaBeans

[chrome rampart]

oooh

[rigid snow]

netbeans my goat

[tropic spindle]

The only IDE that doesn't take 15x more resources than the program you're developing

[opaque wharf]

TIL

[vague sonnet]

it's also convenience
clicking a link is faster than installing software locally

[chrome rampart]

I just call peepoll "beans"

cause cute

[tropic spindle]

🚽

[opaque wharf]

Hungry

Wanna eat beans

[vague sonnet]

what if you call them Toasts

and also become toast yourself

[chrome rampart]

sorey

I became yellow once for u guys

[vague sonnet]

apology rejected

[chrome rampart]

[tender river]

its a spoon when it has

a small bowl

[chrome rampart]

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1422218876388642906.webp?size=48

[sage crag]

what if it has no handle

is it still a spoon

[chrome rampart]

No it's an egg

[tender river]

just bowl

but small

[chrome rampart]

see for yourself

[sage crag]

so, proof that bowl is spoon

[chrome rampart]

egg, spoon

anyways, anything programming related

am I bothering u guys

[sage crag]

no

its a good breather from tweedle dumb and tweedle dee

[amber fractal]

more on topic than we normally are

[chrome rampart]

should I learn vue

[sage crag]

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

do you know any other frontend framework

[chrome rampart]

no

[tender river]

[chrome rampart]

it would be my first

[tender river]

"learn react" - mlntcandy now, probably

[jagged turtle]

I was initially saddened to learn discord engineers still use a lot of the babel stack in 2026 but then I remembered they still use webpack in some form for their frontend and then suddenly it's like "I guess it makes sense"

[flint dome]

learn x86 assembly or become monk

[sage crag]

i suggest learning svelte vue react jsx and also stress management

[tender river]

forced into seclusion

[rigid snow]

no

[tender river]

until you learn

x86

i remember that

[chrome rampart]

uuh

[tender river]

happened to one of my friends

[chrome rampart]

that's a lot

[jagged turtle]

solid as well becuse why not

[chrome rampart]

[rigid snow]

vue is good

[rough bloom]

do not forget
SvelteKit Nuxt NextJS TanStack

[jagged turtle]

actually fuck it, while you're learning the frameworks also learn the 20 quintillion react metaframeworks out there

[sage crag]

you have to learn bash stack too

[chrome rampart]

I dunno my goal is just to learn whatever I feel would be easiest for me but that allows me to do the most

[sage crag]

oh oh i know i know

[flint dome]

learn fortran very easy

[sage crag]

make your own computer

[chrome rampart]

like, I don't want to be hired by anyone

[chrome rampart]

I don't have the money for that

[sage crag]

of course you do

[jagged turtle]

those are metaframeworks but yes learn those as well

[rigid snow]

if you learn vue you're gonna get hired in your sleep so don't ye

[sage crag]

computers dont have to be real

[flint dome]

start with the intel 8086 it costs 10$ then work your way up

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1150493311577108581.webp?size=48&animated=true

[chrome rampart]

I heard react would be my choice if I looked for employment

[sage crag]

"trading from dirt to rtx 5090 day 1"

[chrome rampart]

I wouldn't know

[chrome rampart]

ew

[sage crag]

if you wanna get employed you should learn odin and zig and c3 and ocaml and haskell

and nix

[vague sonnet]

just get really good at what you enjoy, you will get further than forcing yourself to learn w*bdev

[chrome rampart]

I've never heard of any of these

[sage crag]

i recommend getting good at things you dont like because

getting good at things you do like is really tiring

[vague sonnet]

what

[chrome rampart]

I like godot

[sage crag]

ye exactly

[chrome rampart]

I dunno

[vague sonnet]

RIP

[chrome rampart]

is it bad

[sage crag]

no

[chrome rampart]

do I have to learn ewnity

[sage crag]

no

[tropic spindle]

Is that a threat?

[glass flower]

the godot hate in this chat....

[vague sonnet]

it's not widely used in the industry
and arguably not feature complete

[rough bloom]

not bad
just
game engine

[sage crag]

@nocturne olive

@nocturne olive

@nocturne olive

[nocturne olive]

[vague sonnet]

bupersox

[chrome rampart]

isn't that the neuro voice guy

[sage crag]

godot hate kotlin hate webdev love

[tropic spindle]

Better to live an isolated life in the woods than learn Unity

[nocturne olive]

[nocturne olive]

[flint dome]

i hate java

[tropic spindle]

I hate Toast

[flint dome]

anything java related sucks

[jagged turtle]

as much as I like webdev I also agree, forcing yourself to learn something isn't going to be enjoyable

[vague sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/blm-gif-25815938

[chrome rampart]

u use lmms too, no?

[sage crag]

toasts dont hate you but they do pity you

[rough bloom]

I will rewrite your programs in Rust

[sage crag]

[flint dome]

this why js sucks too

[tropic spindle]

Mods? I'm literally being threatened

[jagged turtle]

go one step further, rewrite in assembly

[nocturne olive]

[flint dome]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lick-raid-gif-10324310162459365188

[chrome rampart]

do u know if there's any way to get the lmms alpha working on linux

I tried the appimage and it just crashes

so I'm stuck with the stable

and me no likey

[stark needle]

Chat when neuro-sama PowerPC port?

[chrome rampart]

how is it even possible that the daw with linux in its name doesn't work well on linux

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

you see

audio + linux

[flint dome]

mips port when

[sage crag]

rv5

[rough bloom]

from what little we know of the Neuro tech stack, shouldn't it already mostly run?

[vague sonnet]

uhh
is there a way to make it work fine?

[sage crag]

Unity

[flint dome]

the horrors

port unity

[rough bloom]

oh

[sage crag]

typically people doing production audio on linux switch to JACK instead of pulse or pipewire, but im not an audio person

[rough bloom]

they don't have PowerPC support anymore

[tropic spindle]

no

[sage crag]

@wind merlin

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

audio how

[vague sonnet]

oh if you can switch the soft it should be easy
windows defaults also suck

[flint dome]

use alsa and fuck up your audio permanently

[tropic spindle]

Still trying to figure out why I get audio stutter sometimes despite pipewire having a nice of -15

[sage crag]

too low quantum

increase it

[chrome rampart]

what is jack1702's opinion on this?

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

No beans, only fish meatballs

[tender river]

✅

pipewire is good tho

[tropic spindle]

Eh

[tender river]

jack is also good and more standard in linux audio

[flint dome]

jack1702 has been eliminated

[tropic spindle]

Good is a stretch

[tender river]

pipewire has jack shim too

[tropic spindle]

Wine doesn't appear to like jack

[tender river]

does emi do something with audio?

[sage crag]

ye

[flint dome]

i use pipewire never failed for me

pulse sometimes used to go wack after updates

[rough bloom]

ye, nothing likes JACK, kinda the main issue with it

Pipewire good because compatible with everything

and not called PulseAudio

[tropic spindle]

Well on the good side of things with Pipewire + Bluez I can literally just pair my phone to my laptop and have audio routed through it which I could literally never get working on Winblows

On the bad side apparently my laptop no longer has a mic because it just fucking disappeared from audio devices

[flint dome]

yeah no windows sucks ass hp gave me a license for dts x unbound and the shitty electron app for it won't work

so now my hardware sits empty looking all pretty when it can do a hell lot more

[tropic spindle]

Electron is like if the black plague and COVID had a baby

[sage crag]

so many colourful opinions today

[tender river]

good thing i muted them 2 days ago

[nocturne olive]

Ran in terminal to extract the error?

[sage crag]

superbox is typing...

[chrome rampart]

yeah

[nocturne olive]

And what is the error then?

[tropic spindle]

Error: no work

[amber fractal]

numpy, tf you mean all three of these are any. there is literally out of range errors so I question how

I guess it can be int or tuple but come on

[nocturne olive]

Python type system be like

[amber fractal]

Very good, I literally can't not get an any out of this

no matter how many botches I attempt

[nocturne olive]

You gotta do explicit type annotation and even then it's only a pre-run thing as at runtime the type annotation will not be checked and is only assumed to be accurate by the code editor

You could do letter: int = "145.5g" and it wouldn't even break

[amber fractal]

That isn't even my issue

Typehints aren't checked at all when being thrown into the JIT

So I can't nudge it to the answer

[rough bloom]

what is even the issue

[opaque wharf]

Python is copying TS

[opaque sigil]

just cast it

[nocturne olive]

JIT? There's just the interpreter

[amber fractal]

Numba moment

[opaque wharf]

Toast

[opaque sigil]

Hi Toast

[opaque wharf]

[opaque sigil]

uh oh

[amber fractal]

Just trying to do some arguably basic indexing and it is always any

[rough bloom]

as you said, the type hints don't matter at all at runtime
so if it's a type checking issue and you know that the code is correct then just cast it
if it's a runtime issue then the code is just broken and the type hints are correctly warning you

[opaque sigil]

even if it's not correct you'll know because the cast throws

[amber fractal]

as if I can cast it, it refuses to respect the casts

[opaque sigil]

huh

[amber fractal]

So I guess I'm stuck for the moment

Either way it isn't a large deal

Excuse to get this out of python

[nocturne olive]

Time to rewrite in Kotlin

[vague sonnet]

abandon python, write in c++

[amber fractal]

[vague sonnet]

if you aren't manually writing highly optimised gpu kernels what are you doing

[amber fractal]

Neither of you are correct I'm writing this in C

[vague sonnet]

C works too

[amber fractal]

I'd honestly like to go lower but for now C works

[vague sonnet]

lower than C?

ew

[opaque sigil]

llvm IR

[nocturne olive]

🇨

[opaque wharf]

TypeScript

[amber fractal]

Mhm the low level language of typescript

[vague sonnet]

it's definitely a low
in a different meaning of the word

[amber fractal]

I'd honestly want to go ASM

[opaque wharf]

WASMScript

[amber fractal]

There is quite a bit of logic I can remove as I go lower

[jagged turtle]

isn't that just wasi or whatever that file format was

[opaque wharf]

I was wrong. It's called AssemblyScript

https://www.assemblyscript.org/

[nocturne olive]

The compiler is smarter than you anyway so going ASM is just a downside 99% of the time these days

[jagged turtle]

[amber fractal]

Then I'll work hard to be the 1%

Shrimple as that

[jagged turtle]

writes basically typescript
compiles to webassembly anyways

dentge

[vague sonnet]

you can definitely be 1% as efficient

[amber fractal]

That is fine by me

If the results speak for themselves

[vague sonnet]

is there even a real usecase for assembly anymore

or do low level languages cover it all

[opaque sigil]

[rough bloom]

@ffmpeg

[opaque sigil]

one day we'll have a sufficiently smart compiler

[tender river]

they wont

[opaque wharf]

To be fair, the compiler is smart most of the time that you need it

[opaque sigil]

I still need to check the output of nvcc every time because it likes to do stupid things

[nocturne olive]

ffmpeg is the 1% of cases

Because ffmpeg is smarter than the compiler

[opaque sigil]

I think people like to vastly overestimate compilers

[opaque wharf]

Ahh, nvcc

[opaque sigil]

they tend to be super conservative

[amber fractal]

I feel similarly, I feel like if you know your domain well then you can step on its toes

It isn't completely replaced

That's for sure

Honestly for me ASM is a lot closer to how my vision of my codebase than C, hence why I'm interested in doing so. Choosing the right language for the job

[chrome rampart]

did someone say toes

[vague sonnet]

no

[olive sable]

Good afternoon #baking
Today i present a french dish

Frog

[amber fractal]

[opaque sigil]

today's a good day, I now have official confirmation that I'm getting an award for my bachelor's thesis

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

Damn, the camera quality on my new phone is gooooood

Eventho its less megapixels

[stark needle]

pov la grenouille

[olive sable]

But wait

Second frog

First frog is on the right, second one is at the floor

[opaque wharf]

Evil will congratulate you in my stead

[opaque sigil]

[ivory plinth]

hello is this the bakery

[sage crag]

NOT technical talk

[stark needle]

konii

[opaque wharf]

Konii say finish hblang stdlib

[sage crag]

surely soon

[opaque wharf]

[sage crag]

[ivory plinth]

not my fault it says that

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/kita-ikuyo-kita-ryo-ryo-yamada-deliver-me-30-000-presents-gif-541909487262718109

[tender river]

you get

30000 segmentation faults

immortal venerable wrr

[sage crag]

wrrr

[kind nimbus]

fr*nch

[silent cloak]

Jollyposting in summer?

[tender river]

it is

christmas

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1497077988045623387/BA0787E2D73F28B11C5D8BF6AC8FF7B6.gif

[opaque sigil]

does anyone else's firefox refuse to play twitch at all today
not even inside a blank profile it works, chromium works perfectly fine

[glass flower]

its fine for me

[silent cloak]

Sounds like a network issue

[opaque sigil]

wonder if it's a local outage maybe

[fast pagoda]

ide all have an option to make this happen automatically when you press tab since forever

[opaque sigil]

nvm the dns blocklist decided to update and block half of twitch's traffic out of nowhere

[kind nimbus]

Lol

Rule no 1: it's always DNS

[opaque sigil]

yeeeeeah...

[stark needle]

@true hemlock beat my 18GB/s networking

[glass jetty]

btw, is reflection and std::execution completed?

if so, maybe you know some user guide for them? (or best way is still reading paper)

[true hemlock]

you sure?

[stark needle]

man's gonna show up with 800gbe infiniband

[silent cloak]

as in finalized?

yes

https://herbsutter.com/2026/03/29/c26-is-done-trip-report-march-2026-iso-c-standards-meeting-london-croydon-uk/

https://www.infoq.com/news/2026/04/cpp-26-reflection-safety-async/

[young plover]

reflection is apparently done in GCC 16 but that's still pre-release so I haven't tried.
I've used Bloomberg's experimental Clang reflection fork to make some demos, but it sounds like most of the work on that fork can't be upstreamed.
MSVC They weren't gonna start on C++26 until finishing C++23 IIRC, but it looks like they're almost done with 23 so maybe soon ™

[glass jetty]

msvc sucks

[young plover]

None of the vendors have std::execution support. Nvidia has reference implementation
https://github.com/NVIDIA/stdexec

[glass jetty]

yeah i know that was a thing for a long time now

i mean is there actual guide
cuz seems like best way to learn thing things - read their paper

[young plover]

And yeah I just had to read the papers to figure it out.

At least cppreference is out of read-only mode after like, a year of maintenance

[stark needle]

will deepseek v4 load

[velvet vale]

not chinese enough

listen to national anthem then it will work

[sick owl]

Gemma 4 really just straight up went "yeah if you visited the torrent site you asked about I'd recommend evading the law"

Nice aligned AI Google

Full question and answer with the site blacked out to be safe for server rules

[true hemlock]

its most definitely more about security/privacy issues than legality.

[sage crag]

law already broken so this is a harm-reduction step

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

ok 5.5 is pretty good

even on low

[glass jetty]

make me remember this meme exist

[fickle rain]

Hey std::print exists now doesn’t it

[willow hinge]

Just saw this notification on github...

[glass jetty]

yeah but it is too new to use

[glass flower]

they also sent you a email

[glass jetty]

who would imagine that this would happen

[glass flower]

i already had that off for like years

[willow hinge]

Must have missed it

[glass jetty]

why even use copilot

[willow hinge]

Cuz it's free. I don't use the github agent though

[glass jetty]

you sell your soul

-# and your code

[glass flower]

i'm paying for it for the Next edit suggestions since i'm sure i'll use more than the 2000 per month free

[willow hinge]

Not my yugioh discord bot! All my plans for patent are ruined!

[glass flower]

found the email. it was on evil's birthday 25th March

[willow hinge]

I understand why Vedal wants to switch to Linux

[glass flower]

do it i've been on it for 6 months now and haven't looked back

[willow hinge]

I don't care enough to go through the effort of changing operating systems

[glass flower]

its not really a big undertaking. you can keep most of your data. just remove the windows partition thats basically all you need. and shrink your ntfs partitions

i still have a 4tb windows ntfs partition

[willow hinge]

Idk what those things mean

[glass flower]

[stark needle]

bruh lmfao

we are leaking neuro codebase through github copilot with this one

[glass flower]

we all know vedal is a claude user

[glass jetty]

do it do it do it do it

start with debian or idk mint (heard it good)
then try arch, or if you like configs - nix

[trim valve]

@sick owl it took a while but i got the e4b version working

[willow hinge]

I am Finn too. I should support our greatest achievement. Linux

[glass flower]

honestly i would recommend fedora kde edition

its like a nice middle ground

but mint is very good if you just want something working

[glass jetty]

i have 256gb nvme btw
and two systems

[stark needle]

true

[glass flower]

what command is this again?

[glass jetty]

lsblk

ls - list

blk - block (devices)

[glass flower]

my situation is a bit.... messy

[glass jetty]

this binds omg

[glass flower]

who gave me the power to make partitions

[glass jetty]

what the fuck is 64gb swap lmao

[glass flower]

no idea. i don't remember setting it up.

i mean i have 64gb ddr4 ram so... i guess it fits

128gb memory

(thats totally how it works)

[opaque sigil]

btw have you tried zeta-2 yet

[mighty thorn]

Hey screepsheads

Is it possible to take the red pill

Aka

[glass flower]

i tried setting it up but couldn't get it working with minuetai. so i dropped it

[mighty thorn]

Get data out of the game and into the game

From external code

[glass jetty]

you want to make ai write code?

[glass flower]

i think the idea is to do local processing and then upload it?

like get data-> process it -> return data the ingame engine deals with

[opaque sigil]

[glass flower]

idk if that is possible

probably tho since there are external clients for screeps and at worst you can get the data through the browser and a monkeytype script that downloads the data

[mighty thorn]

No I mean like

[glass flower]

i wouldn't be suprised if the bigger bot networks use that kind of tactic for room layouting and bigger stragety management. especially cross-shard

[mighty thorn]

Some web socket thing

[glass flower]

definitely not websocket i'm sure

screeps neuro integration

[mighty thorn]

I mean she wrote code

Doesn’t seem like that much of a stretch

[glass flower]

you wouldn't really need the ingame things for it tho.

just have a backend client that manages that

uploads code and give neuro data from the game. as a middle man

[mighty thorn]

Even a faked version where you have info windows up and continually OCR them to get outbound data, then you map a bunch of text box inputs to screen cords and shove inbound data back into the game

[sage crag]

excellent

[glass flower]

that sounds like a more complicated version than my idea

[stark needle]

wrr nix user

[sage crag]

user shadowlilac

[mighty thorn]

That’s kinda my thing

[mighty thorn]

It actually clearly says 也回到家还嘻嘻哈哈不是女性

[sage crag]

it clearly does not

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1327142377139343430/1486773213190029444/doc_2026-03-25_19-13-27.gif

[glass flower]

at that point just mod the client or something to get the data out of the game.... or a monkeytype script in the browser. that exists already for things like jackbox

thats like 50x easier, less error prone and generally better

[mighty thorn]

Wait it runs in the browser?

[olive sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1327142377139343430/1486773213190029444/doc_2026-03-25_19-13-27.gif

[glass flower]

[mighty thorn]

Website listed as game on steam

Damn

Society

[glass flower]

i mainly only use the website because i don't want to always have to launch the client to check on my screeps

[rigid snow]

i don't get it isn't this the same as everyone else

ok anthropic idk

[mild gust]

French

[maiden geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1376808276871745667/1NewMeow.gif

[mild gust]

Meow meow meow

[real sierra]

[leaden crest]

SHIRO SHIRO SHIRO SHIRO SHIRO SHIRO SHIRO SHIRO SHIRO SHIRO SHIRO

HIIIIII

[glass flower]

was even a older account... i wonder if they downloaded a bad minecraft mod

[maiden geyser]

hello shiro, thank you shiro

[real sierra]

I wanna open screeps

my screeps are reaching the limits of the existing code

they'll keep storing energy but they can't grow

[vague sonnet]

what are those creeps you guys keep talking about

[kind nimbus]

Radiohead

[vague sonnet]

isn't that a band?

[opaque wharf]

The addiction is kicking in

[nocturne olive]

What does this "Screeps" thing cost anyway?

[kind nimbus]

https://youtu.be/XFkzRNyygfk

[vague sonnet]

sanity probably

[glass flower]

currently 7€ as its on sale

[nocturne olive]

[glass flower]

buy it

[vague sonnet]

not only do you have to pay but also get forced into j*vascript? ewww

[glass flower]

you don't really

i use typescript. i used c# too with wasm

rust,kotlin etc. all work

[nocturne olive]

[vague sonnet]

C++? or got banned due to being too good

[nocturne olive]

[glass flower]

should also work if it can compile to wasm

[glass flower]

do it

[nocturne olive]

I guess it's a good sale

[glass flower]

you get 20cpu forever

basically 20ms of processing time per tick

you can buy more but shard3 is limited to 20 cpu the others aren't tho

could also just go for the bundle tbh since arena is basically a 1v1 pvp version of worlds

unless you aren't sure you will like it

[nocturne olive]

That is in fact hardware requiremenets

[sage crag]

hardware required

cpu

motherboard

[glass flower]

the client is just a electron wrapper for the website

[sage crag]

ram

[nocturne olive]

[vague sonnet]

society if all games had those

[nocturne olive]

Guess I'll get the game thingy, it seems fun

[sage crag]

society if all games required broadband internet connection

[glass flower]

shiro recruited another one

[vague sonnet]

sometimes it feels like that

[nocturne olive]

May play it later on though, not just yet
I have a NeuroSynth release to finalize in the coming days

[vague sonnet]

voice v4 when

[nocturne olive]

I guess if for some reason karaoke adopts NeuroSynth (not happening)

[vague sonnet]

what's nurosynth used for

[sage crag]

marketing

[vague sonnet]

A

[stark needle]

neurosynth is used for neurosynth

[sage crag]

you didnt ask what it markets

[glass flower]

the mmo is a mmo it takes weeks for progress so you shouldn't feel pressured

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

[vague sonnet]

probably vedal's onlyfans account

[nocturne olive]

I wonder how you Kotlin in that thing

[sage crag]

no it markets neurosynth

[glass flower]

https://github.com/exaV/screeps-kotlin-starter here is a starter project

[nocturne olive]

Better store that somewhere

Kotlin/JS

[glass flower]

there is a kotlin channel on the screeps server

[nocturne olive]

(I'm not on that)

[olive sable]

[chrome rampart]

I need therapy

oh wrong channel

I'm gonna assume everyone here also needs therapy

[sage crag]

otherwise good assumption but

i do not need therapy

im perfectly stable and healthy

functional

[flint dome]

god damn it you made me look up screeps now i wanna buy it too

[sage crag]

dont say otherwise i will explod

[real sierra]

the screeps wave is inevitable

the amount of people here buying screeps within the last 48h is unprecedented

[sage crag]

ping everyone in the server right now

anonuncnemtn

screeps is on the menu

neuro sama concert in screeps

[real sierra]

screeps neuro integration

[sage crag]

neuro gets to be 1 screep

unfortunate

[glass flower]

how much are they paying you shiro

[sage crag]

shiro and paying

in the same sentence

[glass flower]

single handingly increasing the screeps player base by 20%

[real sierra]

screeps paying me 0

not even bonus cpu

[sage crag]

how much pay to never mention screeps again

[real sierra]

wha

[sage crag]

hypothetically

[real sierra]

lots money

[sage crag]

$2

[real sierra]

$10000

[sage crag]

oh

$3

[real sierra]

$9500

[sage crag]

$4

[real sierra]

$9499.99

[sage crag]

$3

[real sierra]

wrrr

[sage crag]

im a haggling expert

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

wrr

[vague sonnet]

4gb of ddr6 ram

[sage crag]

hbm wafer

[real sierra]

wafer

[sage crag]

do not the hbm

dangerous for ai stock market

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

o

[real sierra]

consume memory to improve my memory

[sage crag]

shiro say it time for the rising of the proletariat

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

[glass flower]

ai market hit ram prices so hard we only have 2 mb in screeps

[rough bloom]

making me want to try Screeps again

[flint dome]

will screeps get more cheaper in summer sale

[rough bloom]

[real sierra]

[glass flower]

probably not.. idk

[sage crag]

the more you wait the cheaper it gets due to inflation

[real sierra]

I'm not even advertising the game people are just playing it and blaming. me

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

change your name to Screeps~

[flint dome]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-gif-27574448

[glass flower]

its at its lowest price it ever was

[vague sonnet]

happy birthday screeps

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[glass flower]

according to steamdb

[flint dome]

maybe we can gamba and it will get cheaper

nothing ever happens all in

[glass flower]

its 9 years old....

[sage crag]

screeps is old enough to be paying rent

[flint dome]

is there a mod that lets me code in c instead of js

[sage crag]

yes its called

wasm

[flint dome]

time to buy then I suppose

[sage crag]

https://github.com/screepers/cppreeps
exam ple of using c++ in screeps via wasm

9 years old

[olive sable]

My 2nd room is somewhat stable

[sage crag]

its a bit dangerous if your house is unstable

[opaque sigil]

didn't someone say wasm was broken

[olive sable]

Le screepo

[sage crag]

no, hblang wasm broken

screeps wasm FUNCTIONAL

[opaque sigil]

[glass flower]

i thought it was... but it isn't

[flint dome]

hmmmm 3.7mb script size for c after 33% reduction

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

will have to treat it like an embedded system without using malloc

[stark needle]

btw @olive sable did u buy the new phone at the end

[olive sable]

Ye

S25 FE

[stark needle]

damn

galaxy ai my beloved

[olive sable]

Really?

[stark needle]

idk

they just keep shilling it

lmao

[olive sable]

I dont think its terrible, but its probably not thaaat good

[stark needle]

tbh all phones kinda suck these days there's almost no upgrades

gone are the iphone 3->iphone 11 days

now it's just the same phone repackaged

[opaque sigil]

some of the photo editing stuff is really good but that's about the extent of what i used it for

specifically the magic eraser or whatever they call it

[mighty bane]

Anyone here worked with GPU acceleration before?

[rough bloom]

just ask the actual question

what do you want to accelerate

[opaque sigil]

[umbral wigeon]

Do you think lua is easier to read than python
(The pic I'm using is actually luau)

[opaque sigil]

note to self: do not update your system before planning to watch youtube while eating

[fickle rain]

Typed Lua is uncanny

[umbral wigeon]

Yeah, it's roblox lua

Feels like typescript

Is like javascript with optional typescript

[opaque sigil]

@real sierra kill

[real sierra]

on it

[opaque sigil]

[umbral wigeon]

Luau is pretty cool, I like the optional static typing system

(Yes it's completely optional, you can disable or enable typing by doing --!strict or --!nocheck smth like that)

[vague sonnet]

gpu deceleration even

[opaque sigil]

that's my job

[nocturne olive]

I think if you come into a server where people do ML stuff you can assume people do GPU stuff too

[umbral wigeon]

Lua doesn't actually have OOP 🙁

[vague sonnet]

honestly most ML users don't know shit about actual gpu coding
and just use existing libraries

[rare bramble]

done some GPU compute with C and rust

[opaque sigil]

i'm still searching for a usecase for cutile-rs that isn't ML

[glass flower]

radiance cascades

[mighty bane]

My project is mainly C#
I work with images and per-pixel adjustments.. is it worth it trying to learn GPU acceleration for perlin fields and resizing/downsizing for animations of 200+ frames?

(also, I don't know what ML is lul)

[opaque sigil]

yes, yes it is

[umbral wigeon]

Is intergated gpu good?

Intel(R) HD graphics

I can't even run OpenGL program

[vague sonnet]

mutating ligma
a serious disease

[opaque sigil]

(learning how to program a gpu is good in general because it forces you to think in terms of small parallel tasks which applies to multi-core cpus too)

[mighty bane]

... damnit. I was kinda hoping you'd say no lmao

[opaque sigil]

sth sth moore's law is dead

[umbral wigeon]

Also running roblox 10 fps btw

[mighty bane]

But.. normally I don't have to consider the multi-core part of a CPU because .InParallel should do that for me when applicable, no?

[rough bloom]

probably don't have to? 200 frames still sounds doable on CPU
using OpenGL or something would be way faster though

[mighty bane]

I did 3.5k earlier today.. took a few minutes to get it done lol

[opaque sigil]

what do you do when there's no .InParallel

[mighty bane]

(Also made me add a feature to user-define how many frames of an animation I want to extract.. so for that 3.5k I could just cut out 50..)

I don't know.. I have not even used .InParallel yet. Am vibe coding.

[vague sonnet]

oh no another one

[mighty bane]

It works, tho. Shruge

[vague sonnet]

[fickle rain]

Vibecode the parallellization

[rough bloom]

anyway if you only want to process a few frames and/or you can accept that you have to wait a bit for the result you probably don't need hardware acceleration, would be unnecessarily complex
if many frames or it's supposed to be realtime you probably do

[vague sonnet]

every thread will do the same thing with different implementation

[mighty bane]

Optimisation mhm Absolute Localisation

[mighty bane]

Well, every hobby project I've started was made to solve a problem.. and now the biggest hurdle is the time it takes to finish.

[opaque sigil]

the current frontier models are surprisingly useful for gpu kernel optimisation tbh
makes my life a bit easier

[rough bloom]

probably best to try CPU parallelization first then, should be easy if all the work it does is per-pixel with no weird dependencies

[mighty bane]

There are weird dependencies?

fucq dis

[opaque sigil]

often

depends on the problem

[rough bloom]

stuff like the current pixel depending on already processed pixels

[mighty bane]

I need to take a break now

how the fucq is it 9pm notlikethis

[rough bloom]

not everything can be parallelized

at least not easily

idk if that applies to your project or not, the description is basically "it does image stuff"

[rare bramble]

200 tasks is on the lower end for a GPU, but if each image has per pixel calculations that can be done with the GPU, then it might be worth it

[rough bloom]

I should mention that if this is the case a GPU also won't help at all

[opaque sigil]

stencil go brr

tbf even with nasty algorithms the sheer throughput can often make up for whatever bs you have to work around

[rare bramble]

also if you accelerate the frames with a GPU, all the pixels need to be independent from eachother

otherwise it will be slower than CPU

or maybe not even possible

[rough bloom]

yeah, it's possible but very unlikely that you're going to hit a case where you can actually have zero parallelization

[opaque sigil]

when in doubt throw more hardware at it

make jensen proud

[rough bloom]

[opaque sigil]

speaking of throwing more hardware at it, we're apparently getting a gb300 for the hpc lab soon

vera rubin when

[real sierra]

screeps can't be parallelized

[mighty bane]

img.ProcessPixelRows(acc =>
{
    for (int y = 0; y < acc.Height; y++)
    {
        var row = acc.GetRowSpan(y);
        for (int x = 0; x < row.Length; x++)
        {
            ref Rgba32 px = ref row[x];
            if (px.A == 0) continue;

            float r = px.R, g = px.G, b = px.B;

            // Additive offsets
            r = Math.Clamp(r + effectiveROff, 0f, 255f);
            g = Math.Clamp(g + effectiveGOff, 0f, 255f);
            b = Math.Clamp(b + effectiveBOff, 0f, 255f);

            // HSL or Greyscale
            if (p.Greyscale)
            {
                float luma = 0.2126f * r + 0.7152f * g + 0.0722f * b;
                r = r + (luma - r) * multiplier; // lerp original → grey
                g = g + (luma - g) * multiplier;
                b = b + (luma - b) * multiplier;
            }
            else if (effectiveHue != 0 || effectiveSat != 1f || effectiveBright != 1f || p.EffectMode != ColorEffectMode.None)
            {
                RgbToHsl((byte)r, (byte)g, (byte)b, out float h, out float s, out float l);
                float hueOffset = GetHueOffset(p.EffectMode, x, y, acc.Width, acc.Height, frameIndex, totalFrames);
                h = (h + effectiveHue + hueOffset) % 360f;
                if (h < 0) h += 360f;
                s = Math.Clamp(s * effectiveSat, 0f, 1f);
                l = Math.Clamp(l * effectiveBright, 0f, 1f);
                HslToRgb(h, s, l, out byte rb, out byte gb, out byte bb);
                r = rb; g = gb; b = bb;
            }
            px = new Rgba32((byte)r, (byte)g, (byte)b, px.A);
        }
    }
});

Sample of per-pixel stuff it does.

[glass flower]

well... technically it can with multiple accounts

[real sierra]

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah, that looks trivially parallelisable

[glass flower]

[real sierra]

might wanna remove that branch inside if possible

[rough bloom]

[opaque sigil]

one thread per pixel and be done with it

[real sierra]

but yeah otherwise looks very parallelizable

[mighty bane]

Inside if possible?

[real sierra]

I see the if (p.Greyscale)

if you're trying to leverage hardware parallelization, you'll get a nice speedup from removing that branching condition

[opaque sigil]

looks like this would apply to every thread so it's a non-issue

since they all take the same path

[mighty bane]

Oh.

[real sierra]

ah

good point actually

[opaque sigil]

only thing to change would be to loop through the columns not rows