programming

[civic pilot]

I’m gonna fail my gcses

My exams

[fickle rain]

I mean people make cheats for videogames while younger

[velvet vale]

yeah but

[civic pilot]

I could say the same with achievement/trophy hunting

[jagged turtle]

true, but this is after they learn coding

(I hope)

[fickle rain]

Not necessarily

[ruby star]

Honestly if you’re dead-set on modding stuff specifically for Neuro, it might be a good idea to learn coding by making a small app for her.

[rigid snow]

*pasting

[velvet vale]

with no prior, and on a fairly niche game

[ruby star]

Like the wordless

[velvet vale]

i mean this isnt exactly a unity plug and play

[warped narwhal]

starting with modding a game not designed for it is probably not the move though

[rigid snow]

wait is pasting dead now that chatgpt is a thing

[jagged turtle]

:neuroHesRight:

[fickle rain]

These times you can tell Claude instead of Ctrl+C Ctrl+V

[civic pilot]

Someone made it for her? I though Vedal set it up

[warped narwhal]

have you considered making a webpage first? or maybe at most, a minecraft mod/plugin

[jagged turtle]

vedal set it up on his end but likely someone else coded it

[civic pilot]

Can’t make a Minecraft mod if it’s physically impossible to get Minecraft on my MacBook, seriously I’ve tried it too much and I don’t wanna explain what happens anymore…

[rigid snow]

yeah someone definitely not claude

[ruby star]

Maybe he did, I’m not sure. But making a little adaptation of, say, something like a crossword puzzle, would teach you loads, not just about how code works but also how Neuro interacts with stuff

[fickle rain]

Programmer’s best friend

[warped narwhal]

I thought minecraft was just a jar, it should run anywhere

If I can get it to run on a raspberry pi, you can get it to run on an arm mac

[rigid snow]

i mod minecraft on apple silicon all the time it's literally seamless

[ruby star]

Idk, nowadays Microshaft makes even buying the thing practically impossible

[jagged turtle]

I should learn how to mod Minecraft properly again some time

[civic pilot]

Why Minecraft tho?

[velvet vale]

Okay just to give you an idea of what this will take, from my 5 minutes of research looks like:

• its a ubisoft game made for windows (and some consoles but we dont care about that)
• this means you will need a way to use windows during development
• there are no modding tools for the engine used
• your best bet is a external bot neuro can interface with being used to watch the game and provide inputs
• this will involve OCR and some kind of websocket
• you will need to make a input model for neuro to use in something else like unity

[fickle rain]

Well external bot or a lot of reversing

[velvet vale]

considering you have no programing experience (not a bad thing) this is going to involve youo first having to learn programing in about 4 separate environments and some quite wide ranging skill sets

[jagged turtle]

wdym "some kind of websocket"

[velvet vale]

I mean its ubisoft, im guessing its locked down

[velvet vale]

idk my first reaction to it would be useing a socket to call into unity

[jagged turtle]

???

[velvet vale]

thats what they do for the other stuff right

[jagged turtle]

why do you need to call into unity

[velvet vale]

use the exsisting unity sdk rather than having to actually mod the game

i mean you could mod the game but idk man

[jagged turtle]

hello what

[velvet vale]

this thing has 5 mods for it and theyre all shaderpacks

[jagged turtle]

you need to mod the game either way

[velvet vale]

why? just give neuro inputs and have the vision model look at it

[jagged turtle]

how do you transfer those inputs to the game

[velvet vale]

its gotta be easier

[jagged turtle]

also the unity sdk is for modding games, so...

[velvet vale]

? with the socket?

[jagged turtle]

and how do you transfer those messages from the socket connection into the game without modding

[velvet vale]

you would have a little unity project to run this

[trim valve]

the unity sdk is for unity games, which this doesn't seem to be?

[jagged turtle]

[velvet vale]

have a little unity project that feeds in keystrokes with SendInput or somthing

[jagged turtle]

why do you need to have a sidecar unity project...

[velvet vale]

well how would you do it

[jagged turtle]

if you're gonna need a bridge/sidecar at the very least use something that isn't for a game engine

[jagged turtle]

mod the game?

[velvet vale]

go on

its a closed off engine with no existing api, almost zero mods

you gonna decomp it first?

with zero programing experience on a mac?

[jagged turtle]

you're gonna have to unless you can modify its ram space ig?

[jagged turtle]

I don't think I have zero programming experience

[velvet vale]

you arent doing it

[jagged turtle]

?

[trim valve]

the engine does actually have mods for raymand legends

[velvet vale]

is it the same version

[trim valve]

[velvet vale]

given the age gap i wouldnt say so

[trim valve]

do i look like i have a magical crystal ball

[velvet vale]

prehpas

[ruby star]

We’re talking about how Aleez could do it

[jagged turtle]

ah

even so idk why you'd need to "socket into unity"...

on a game that doesn't need unity

or use it

[velvet vale]

i would use unity as a base for the input mechanism and the OCR

rather than going to dx9 directly

again

thats my thoughts after a google search and a steampage read

i mean i suppose writing a dll wouldnt be the worst way, but its a lot harder

and again

decomping a 8 year? old video game

[heavy pine]

https://fixvx.com/stylishdawg/status/2046781755026288827?s=20

ein (@stylishdawg)

designer filed a bug because a border is 1px when it’s “supposed to be 0.5”

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@jagged turtle you have to fix this bug

[jagged turtle]

1. why do you need to use unity for both
2. input mechanism is likely more performant using a pure scripting language sdk

[jagged turtle]

wha

[velvet vale]

sir

its a windows vista game

im sure we can get by

[rigid snow]

one word: hidpi

that's normal

[jagged turtle]

can you even compile unity projects to vista atp

[velvet vale]

youd run it in compat mode i guess

[tropic spindle]

Poor excuse for bad optimization tbh

[velvet vale]

idk with more thought put into im sure theres a better way this is just what came to me first

as the easiest way

[jagged turtle]

tbh when it comes to game modding nothing will be anywhere remotely "easy" so whatever is the easiest really doesn't matter for this convo

[trim valve]

yeah looking at this, modding it seems possible if you have experience

[jagged turtle]

but idt using unity for ocr and inputs is necessarily the best way

[leaden crest]

what’s the convo here

[trim valve]

I think its talking about a neuro sdk impl for child of light?

[leaden crest]

step 1 - learn more coding

same advice for all new leafs coming in wanting to make X neuro integration or X neuro copy

[trim valve]

it looks like its possible to add arbitrary lua to the game, but that's it

[velvet vale]

oh?

well damm we could recomend learning lua

[jagged turtle]

oh that seems easier than expected

[trim valve]

it depends how sandboxed it is

[velvet vale]

at risk of getting more invested

where has one found this info

[trim valve]

https://raydev.wiki/ubiart:fileformats

possible to regenerate the secure_fat.gf file https://github.com/wukko/ubiart-secure-fat

[jagged turtle]

they just want to build an integration for neuro

[rigid snow]

i know that person

[trim valve]

wait wtf

I didn't realise it was wukko

[rigid snow]

lol

[velvet vale]

https://github.com/byvar/ubi-canvas-delta

[trim valve]

they're cool but they keep shilling helium on my timeline and its annoying

[jagged turtle]

am I missing context

[velvet vale]

well then

it appears ubisoft arent souless after all

[rigid snow]

if you made a browser would you not shill it

[trim valve]

i guess

idk to me a browser is the least respectable thing to shill

[rigid snow]

i mean it’s worth shilling

basically the only good chromium browser

[unkempt citrus]

vivaldi?

[velvet vale]

The Neptune

[rigid snow]

it's a swiss army knife, i like straightforwardness

+it's ugly

[vague vortex]

But I don't wanna learn, I wanna be magically an expert through sheer force of will! ||/sarcasm||

[maiden geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1376808276871745667/1NewMeow.gif

[olive sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1327142377139343430/1486773213190029444/doc_2026-03-25_19-13-27.gif

goodmorning

[vague vortex]

Good morning, banana bread

[stark needle]

[vague sonnet]

Toast

[warped narwhal]

Toast

[sage crag]

Toast

[olive sable]

Toast

[stark needle]

Toast

[wispy pike]

I wanna make a chip for that someday

[proven merlin]

If its a from scratch one it's worth shilling. Yet another FF or chromium fork? I agree. Except maybe supermium lol

[glass jetty]

toast

i did a lot of work today

not enough to fit on screen

[proven merlin]

Now rotate it 90° and run a sorting algo over it

[fast pagoda]

Bogosort

Bintedsort

[olive sable]

quicksort is quick surely

[maiden geyser]

twittersort

[vague sonnet]

more additions than deletions, bad commit

[glass jetty]

that straight not true

[sage crag]

quality of life improves when project is archived

[glass jetty]

how can it be when money source gone?

[umbral wigeon]

Let's vibe code

@AGENT.md

[glass jetty]

i added completely new complex feature btw, this 1k+ lines is just including of it

[vague sonnet]

man never refactored in his life hell nahh

[glass jetty]

except for this feature i completely rewrote 2 modules for new api

[glass jetty]

no that really not true
when you rewrite something, usually it takes even more space

[vague sonnet]

you're doing something wrong then

[glass jetty]

for me most of the time it is

core code looks cleaner, but total number jump like x1.5 at least

[vague sonnet]

ok I see the issue

[umbral wigeon]

I commit some shitty message as a maintainer and I got accpeted

[sage crag]

every feature addition to a project constitutes rewriting it entirely from scratch, this is the most optimal way to waste time

[vague sonnet]

yooo the AI approach

0 code extendibility, start from scratch every time you add something

[sage crag]

i always knew i was a robot

[vague vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-vedal-vibing-gif-11951261911219926766

Instructions unclear, all vibe no code

[sage crag]

embed perms as a new leaf

[glass jetty]

i reduced 1000 lines class to 200 lines
total net positive +500 at least
cuz: headers (x1.5 on its own), more asserts, more templates/abstractions, less chars per line like
while(QThread::currentThread()->eventDispatcher()->processEvents(...) == false);
->
auto this_thread_dispatcher = QThread::currentThread()->eventDispatcher();
auto flags = i with i remember names now;
while(this_thread_dispatcher->processEvents(flags));

[sage crag]

how often do you post

[vague sonnet]

pay2win probably

[glass jetty]

i really disagree

[umbral wigeon]

git commit -m "Update" -a

[glass jetty]

yeah that true btw

[sage crag]

i know the solution, its hiring people to write everything for you and never looking at the loc

[vague vortex]

Built different

[umbral wigeon]

Open source maintainer after 1023th Ai generated PR by someone

[glass jetty]

wtf is this
how you even use it
just print git commit -am "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"

[vague sonnet]

[umbral wigeon]

How to deal with Ai generated PR

[vague sonnet]

reject it

[glass jetty]

ignore

btw, i have 2 PR dangling, both was approved to add in issue

one 2 weeks and second is 3 month //it was nov 22, not 3 month

ah nvm

[sage crag]

countersubmit ai prs to the contributor's repos

[glass jetty]

it was just merged
https://github.com/bfgroup/Lyra/pull/109/commits

[umbral wigeon]

I'm farming github contribution

5 dollars per month

Open source maintainer life

[umbral wigeon]

Meanwhile the repo commits filled with emoji

https://github.com/elysiajs/elysia

[sage crag]

[umbral wigeon]

Best framework 100%

I like it

Can't believe my eyes, some cosplayer made this insane framework for modern js/ts

[sage crag]

at least the Mandatory Anime Girl Project Mascot is human drawn

[umbral wigeon]

https://youtu.be/ap2uYn1hMlc?si=wT9SQhZwLklF9Elf

https://youtu.be/Diiaj4vOPjE?si=YtE3EQRU5pujE26R

This is a gem

[vague vortex]

Make it a stack of pringles
Eat one each time you get stuck on a line for an immediate solution.

[kind nimbus]

Oh no looks like you reached your Claude opus limit for the next two weeks

[vague vortex]

Gaslight it
"No i havent"

Hit the high tech genie with the ol "i wish for more wishes"

[opaque wharf]

https://itsfoss.com/news/colorado-age-attestation-bill-open-source-exemption/

[stark needle]

:niuh:

[rigid snow]

https://fxtwitter.com/OpenAI/status/2047376564309115134

OpenAI (@OpenAI)

↩ (@OpenAI)
GPT-5.5 delivers this step up in intelligence without compromising on speed.
︀︀
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︀︀
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[opaque wharf]

That's honestly a very good compromise on that kind of legislation since fighting open source would be mostly futile

[cosmic sphinx]

I hope these arent the only benchmarks

[proven merlin]

Just compiled llama.cpp and so far its way better than ik llama for me. And also i got vulkan working in my lxc container, and my 5700G underwattaged does 26T/s on a 2B model. Im hoping that due to being essentially unified memory, that qwen3.6 35b a3b will run at a simmilar pace.

Only issue being that iq4_xs is still 17gb.. the qwen3 series was a bit nicer at 30b..

[fickle rain]

OpenAI also gibs model card

You can look at that IG

[proven merlin]

On my 32gig server, the igpu may only use up to 16gb, so some cpu may be needed. (Perhaps this speeds it up further?)

[mighty thorn]

Astonishing that they managed to increase the number of experts in their MoEslop, truly a revolutionary next step

[proven merlin]

Perhaps a reason for me to upgrade ram.. if it wasnt so damn expensive

[glass jetty]

ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai ai a ia ai aia idaicnaodhbfwhvf

[cosmic sphinx]

GPQA and GLE degraded compared to 5.4

[fickle rain]

To better utilize GPUs, Codex analyzed weeks’ worth of production traffic patterns and wrote custom heuristic algorithms to optimally partition and balance work. The effort had an outsized impact, increasing token generation speeds by over 20%.

[olive sable]

i need itsme to log into my bank app, but i need my bank app to log into itsme

truly the most technologically advanced belgian system

[opaque wharf]

The solution is simple. Login to both at the same time

[olive sable]

going from 90hz to 120hz feels like a bigger jump than it should be knowing how it looks like on pc. so i think my old phone was just gpu limited

@real sierra @rare bridge
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/464350/view/553521213220061691?l=english

update

API changes

Added new property: Game.shard.access.
Added new method: Game.shard.activateAccess.
Creep methods claimController, reserveController, upgradeController now can return a new error ERR_ACCESS_DENIED.

pinging 2 mods for this stuff feels so wrong

[opaque wharf]

This comment makes me explore more of my phone setting and I found a very interesting feature. Thanks Toast

[glass flower]

why can't they just use normal names... what does Pro even mean

[patent shard]

Doesn't this happen automatically on a lot of phones..?

[amber fractal]

Bypass charging my beloved

[olive sable]

i dont think so, not on most phones. only when the battery is already fully charged maybe

[amber fractal]

Suprigingly not

Most route through the battery

[rare bridge]

they fucked up the update i can't access screeps

[olive sable]

they restarted the server

my creeps are frozen

[rare bridge]

yeah but it says the update downloaded and to restart, then when i do restart it just says the same thing lmao

[olive sable]

hmmm

lemme restart the game

[rare bridge]

😔 banned from screeps

[opaque wharf]

I don't think so. Usually the phone would still route power through the battery because it's easier to design by the manufacturer

[olive sable]

how do i make the steam realize there's a new update?
or is it not client side?

[patent shard]

Wouldn't work for me, anyway
I have to use wireless charging 💀
Which is also really hard on the battery because it's less efficient and insulates it
But 'tis the reality of a phone that is five years old

[amber fractal]

I like the bypass because it is less heat when existing, gives it a future once the battery becomes

[olive sable]

i think charging the battery causes a decent amount of the heat the phone produces.s o bypass means less thermal throttle im pretty sure

[amber fractal]

I believe my device is also able to trottle charging for that reason, so it is a slower charge to not add more heat than needed

That is just intergrated into the gaming mode though and not the standard usage

[rare bridge]

hmm

shard3 ain't tickin

[real sierra]

new changes

but alas I still am not at the point where I claim rooms

[rare bridge]

more microtransations

[real sierra]

will not be relevant quite yet

[olive sable]

shiro

[real sierra]

my enemies may microtransaction all they want, my algorithms always win

[olive sable]

either i change to a different room to be out of your way, or i just kill you

[real sierra]

you really wanna be near the person to my north?

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

Battle to the death

[olive sable]

no actually

[real sierra]

once the novice wall goes down we're all cooked

[olive sable]

person to our north will fuck us so bad

[rare bridge]

i'll be the first target

either that or left alone because i ain't a threat

[real sierra]

hopefully they will chew on you for at least a day

[rare bridge]

my sacrifice will help you two prepair

[opaque wharf]

Also bypassing the battery means you're not straining it as much by just not using it

Why is budget phone have more actual usefu feature tho

[olive sable]

depends on the manufacturer i think

if samsung adds a feature to their A series, it will be cuz they added it to the S series the previous year or so.

[opaque wharf]

However, I still envy the ability to have usb-c video out with mouse and keyboard input

[olive sable]

i also have wireless charging now, altho i will litteraly never use that

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, wireless charging is just a scam IMHO

Specifically on phone

Or any device larger than a watch

[olive sable]

even ona watch its a scam

they could jsut have magsafe-esque thingy with 2 copper contacts on the inside

[opaque wharf]

Ehhh, I wouldn't say that. There's a valid reason to have watertight watch for scuba

[rare bridge]

when are they gonna continue ticking shard3 i want my roads to be built

[olive sable]

ye, shard 3 seems to be frozen ye

[opaque wharf]

Also, I would assume no sane person would use their phone while diving

[olive sable]

i don't think having 2 copper contacts would make the watch not watertight, especially when they already have metal contacts for dev port stuff

[opaque wharf]

The corrosion is the issue. But yeah, it could still be done I think. Just not rated for very deep

[olive sable]

i se

[opaque sigil]

all i know is that one of the apple watches has some scuba diving certification, presumably that one still does wirelessly charge so idk what they do

40m max

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, as I said, wireless charging is useful for watch device because they can be certified for scuba and quite deep one at that

[opaque sigil]

ye

i don't think i've ever used wireless charging anywhere other than a car

do be convenient

[sage crag]

ive used

reverse wireless charging

[opaque wharf]

Wait, where did you put your phone on your car?

[olive sable]

im misremembering, my current galaxy watch 4 doesnt have a debug port. my old galaxy watch active did. and its behind a litle door so that stops the corrosion i guess.

[opaque wharf]

Wired discharging?

[sage crag]

phone acts as wireless charger

[olive sable]

to charge earbuds or whatever im geussing

[sage crag]

no

another phone

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Yè, but that little door can only hold the water pressure not as deep as actual sealant

[opaque sigil]

in the middle console the whole space is a wireless charger

throw it in there and connect wirelessly to the car while it's slowly charging

[tender river]

do they somehow equalize the charge or is there some sort of role negotiation like in usb-c? i dont know how wireless charging works

[opaque wharf]

Interesting. Most people in ID usually put their phone on a mount to aid with GPS too without having to install screen on the console

[olive sable]

you could always charge another phone via a usb-c cable, should be more efficient

[sage crag]

its not smart enough for that

and equalising is almost never a concern because its so inefficient

you might lose battery in a 5:1 ratio

[opaque wharf]

I don't know how much of a headache it would be to have this feature

[opaque sigil]

this is a pretty new bmw tbf, for an older car having a mount is really nice though yeah if there's no built-in option already (and even when there is )

[sage crag]

most modern phones can

[olive sable]

that exists, it has for a long time

[opaque wharf]

TIL

But still cursed

[olive sable]

its not

[tender river]

do you get a popup notification asking you which way you want the charge to go?

[sage crag]

as well as sharing multimedia

[sage crag]

no

[tender river]

[sage crag]

you turn on reverse wireless charging on a phone

[olive sable]

my 10200mah tablet is basically a 230 euro powerbank that can play bloons tower defense 5

[sage crag]

and wirelessly charge

dentge

[opaque wharf]

Nah, it's cursed IMHO. Your phone would need to be able to supply at least 3A maybe to be even a viable charger

[olive sable]

iirc most phones just do 5W

[tender river]

i was asking about usb c

[sage crag]

depends on phone

[opaque wharf]

See, that's just cursed for me. Unless it is the usual usb device spec not usb-c negotiated stuff

But even then...

[tender river]

i remember charging my tablet using my phone with a microusb otg + regular usb-a to microusb cable

[opaque wharf]

How does the phone knows who is charging who

[sage crag]

worse than c-to-c would be micro-to-micro

[tender river]

and that was very unambiguous

[olive sable]

it firstly just assumes which side you want to charge, but the "host" does get a notif to make the other device the host, and if you want to enable data transfer

[opaque wharf]

Wireless data transfer via charging coil

[olive sable]

no thanks

[opaque wharf]

Why even have dedicated wireless antenna

[olive sable]

we're talking about the usb-c stuff

[tender river]

usb c is like

wayland

[sage crag]

its called nfc

[tender river]

of ports

it supports all kinds of features but only if you use the right cable

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm

No

[olive sable]

usb-c is nice cuz it works in reverse, and it works upside down, and it works for data, and it works for video, and it works for a lot more.
depends on if you bought a decent cable tho

[opaque wharf]

NFC have actual use like device without a power supply

[olive sable]

240W on the expensive cables

enought to cook a chicken

[opaque wharf]

But a charging coil...

[olive sable]

no

[opaque sigil]

man, after having used an s22 ultra for a couple years a 6.3" screen feels so smol

[opaque wharf]

I was jsut continuing my sentence

[olive sable]

ye, they firstly give some power to the other device, and then they listen for feedback. its how the nes lego smart brick works

[opaque wharf]

The dilemma of digital age. Want to be portable but want to have large screen real estate

[olive sable]

6.3" is small

to me

some people have small hands so you know

[opaque wharf]

Indeed. That's why I don't think NFC are stupid as transferring data with charging coil

[olive sable]

i tried to save it, but it only sounds worse now out of context

[opaque sigil]

i really like the inner screen though so i'm a bit conflicted (this is a pixel 9 pro fold)

[olive sable]

the whole point of a fold is to fold it open no?

[opaque sigil]

not every app plays nicely with the extra space + i'm lazy + battery life

[olive sable]

hmmm

i think my pants can fit up to a 9"

i know a nintendo switch fits

[opaque sigil]

i can technically fit a steam deck into my pants, doesn't mean i want to do that

[olive sable]

weak

[olive sable]

i mean with normal aspect ratio, i think the folds are too wide even-tho they're only 8"

[opaque sigil]

unfolded they're all pretty much square i think? (with a few exceptions)

who needs the foldable to fold anyway

[olive sable]

jsut get a tablet

[nocturne olive]

Who even needs a tablet, just carry around a basic laptop

[opaque wharf]

Sam, why did you always word it like that

[olive sable]

its not intentional 😭

the english language is just a terrible language made by perverts

[cosmic sphinx]

https://fixupx.com/OfficialLoganK/status/2046998921508249624?s=20

Logan Kilpatrick (@OfficialLoganK)

↩ (@OfficialLoganK)
Huge improvements over Ironwood TPU’s (2-3x), can’t wait to see Gemini in action with these : )

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FixupX · Apr 22, 2026, 5:05 PM

[opaque sigil]

if only this was all it took to fix gemini

[cosmic sphinx]

🙏 more bandwidth for free users

[opaque wharf]

I think the post means it more as google saving costs on GPU

[opaque sigil]

what gpus

they've been purely run on TPUs for years

[opaque wharf]

I didn't know they already use TPU on google

[opaque sigil]

in an ideal world they would stop messing around with gemini and casually drop a model that easily beats everything else due to sheer scale but that's copium

[opaque wharf]

EB sized model

[opaque sigil]

they've been making TPUs for a decade

they clearly figured something out otherwise they wouldn't be able to give out 1M context gemini flash for pennies I feel like

whatever happened to the 10M context window models they made

[cosmic sphinx]

no, they made newer TPU chips which are 3x more efficient than the chip they're running on rn

[cosmic sphinx]

higher cost and it likely doesn't work as well with the newer models

they did have some research project 'titans' or smth like that on models with near infinite context
not sure whatever happened to that, seems to be still in progress

[opaque sigil]

oh right that happened

guess we'll see

[olive sable]

we're back

[opaque sigil]

they do have some incredibly talented people at deepmind + unlimited compute

[opaque wharf]

Also TIL the estimate suggest we're still in low hundreds of ZB range

[rare bridge]

[opaque wharf]

Like 100-300 ZB of total data in the world

Not sure about total capacity

[opaque sigil]

i'd like to know how much of that is google

[cosmic sphinx]

i just noticed, what is going on here

[opaque wharf]

Oh, the usual baking stuff

[opaque sigil]

don't ask me, i still don't know how this started

[olive sable]

as ussual, konii

[opaque wharf]

I lied. It was the total capacity

[opaque sigil]

does anyone happen to know a provider of b200/b300s with performance counter access

[opaque wharf]

I'm torn between CDN and google but then I remembered youtube

[sick owl]

Gemini is great for everything that isn't coding

[opaque sigil]

true

[cosmic sphinx]

so much new stuff wtf

[opaque sigil]

guess i'm a bit biased there

[opaque wharf]

Of course wikipedia has an article about it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zettabyte_Era

[cosmic sphinx]

oh yeah, its thursday after all

[opaque sigil]

when did they announce gemini 3 again

oh nvm it was only in november

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm. I wonder how fast we are going to the next era

Maybe the new moore's law is the storage era measure

[opaque sigil]

wouldn't moore's law technically apply to storage too

i guess it's a bit different

since nand is so simple in comparison so you just stack it like crazy

[vernal trellis]

Does anyone still use copilot student plan? After they removed claude pro models its kind of bad. Haiku makes so many mistakes and doesnt read all the context brah

[opaque sigil]

just use codex

[opaque wharf]

I learned a new word today. Lügenpresse

[cosmic sphinx]

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FixupX · Apr 23, 2026, 4:15 PM

ok this is interesting

honestly, the moment open source models below 27B reach gemini 3.1 flash level, ima acc stop using provider models

[opaque wharf]

I think a proper state of space would need 3 bit at minimum.
±1 is off, ±infinity is in another dimension entirely, 0 is close and nan for wtf

[stark needle]

2 bit 😭

Bro this shit aint working😭

[cosmic sphinx]

but it is working

[opaque wharf]

At least they have ±1, 0 and nan

[opaque sigil]

nan overrated

[opaque wharf]

I will give you division by 0

[opaque sigil]

https://shivankaul.com/blog/firefox-bundles-adblock-rust

[opaque wharf]

TIL about dbzer0. I learned a lot of things today

[opaque sigil]

#define EPS (1e-9)

[opaque wharf]

I think Tom7 (suckerpinch in youtube) has read a paper analyzing open source program across github. There are so many erroneous use of epsilon like -10^9

[opaque sigil]

[vernal trellis]

What languages do you guys code with?

[kind fable]

Java

I like Java

Especially 25

Otherwise for low level C(++)
Basically C style C but using nice C++ things like templates

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1364003765929250826.webp?size=48&animated=true

@sage crag tag

[vernal trellis]

How long have you used Java?

I was gonna learn java but didnt need it after all sob

But i havent heard anything negative about it (personally)

[kind fable]

How long ? Since i started modding minecraft long ago with Java 8

But how long i actually do good shit ?

Few years

Idk maybe lemme check i need to remember what year we in and what's my age

[mighty thorn]

So true

[kind fable]

I guess like 5 years ago maybe i started getting more serious

Like 3 years ago i started actually having the good ability

Maybe 1y ago i'd say i've really been doing good stuff

And i still have lot to learn

[opaque wharf]

Let me introduce you to spring framework

[vernal trellis]

How does minecraft modding work? What programs do you use to make mods?

[kind fable]

No spring is hell

Annotation spam for no reason is the worst

[kind fable]

You just use Fabric
Which lets you use mixins

[vernal trellis]

I dont think i want to..

[opaque wharf]

And now you've heard the bad stuff

[vernal trellis]

lol

[kind fable]

Mixins is what allow you to actually hook into the code

It's actually built based on ASM

[opaque sigil]

hibernate

[vernal trellis]

Oh ok

[kind fable]

You're just doing high level bytecode

[vernal trellis]

Thats cool

[kind fable]

But that's like hidden

Once i stop eating i can show basic stuff

It's actually not that hard to understand

I could explain it to my mom and to my grandfather so

And they actually looked like they understood kinda

Why am i giving weird signs while trying to make sure to not do

[vernal trellis]

Lol

I can understand most things

Ive been programming since i was 11 years old like smol bebe, so I hope so

[kind fable]

If you have programming concepts then it should be good

Also knowledge about like the low level

Bytecode to Java is like assembly to C kinda

[vernal trellis]

Hmm okay 🤔

[kind nimbus]

Huh i wonder how that compares to ublock origin

I kinda like having control over it via the menu bar tho

[olive sable]

from other server
My computer died. I tried installing a custom Ubuntu BIOS and the hard drive died. I'm almost certain I partitioned the Memory disk disk incorrectly, or maybe I installed the BIOS wrong.

what is bro on about?

[kind fable]

Lmao

So many things wrong

[mighty thorn]

His computer died. He tried installing a custom Ubuntu BIOS and the hard drive died. He is almost certain he partitioned the Memory disk disk incorrectly, or maybe that he installed the BIOS wrong.

[proven merlin]

Qwen3.6 35B A3B, on a Ryzen 7 5700G + Vulkan iGPU running llamacpp in a LXC, 16k context, im getting 11t/s. Not bad, but not amazing. It does not fit all into "v"ram though so thats somewhat expected.. any ideas how to speed it up?

[kind nimbus]

Damn i need some of that stuff it seems to be good

[opaque sigil]

maybe a teeny tiny bit lower overhead cause no extension but other than that there's no real reason to use it over ublock i'd imagine (at least for now, maybe they do some things in the future )

they use the same lists after all

[olive sable]

there is no easter bunny, there is no tooth fairy, and there is no ubuntu BIOS

[kind nimbus]

Yea thats what i was wondering

Maybe it's not worth it yet

[opaque sigil]

half the reason i use ublock is for the element picker tbh

so many small annoyances to zap out of existence

[kind nimbus]

also i want my bios to run OpenBSD or NetBSD instead please

[opaque sigil]

i wonder how the llvm on uefi thing is going now hmm

[proven merlin]

Obvious answer is more ram/vram and higher clock while lower CL.. but meant software wise.. i cant seem to turn off mmap so those 3t/s more aren't gonna happen

[kind nimbus]

i almost never use that feature lol

but i recently found out that i can configure ublock and bitwarden firefox extensions via nix home-manager lol

[opaque sigil]

nice if you fully bought into home-manager i guess

[kind nimbus]

yea i use it fully

its great tbh

i also configure my KDE via plasma-manager and pretty much everything else with it

[opaque sigil]

plasma-manager my beloved

[idle dune]

[kind nimbus]

yea

[opaque wharf]

Plasma manager? What's that?

[kind nimbus]

https://github.com/nix-community/plasma-manager

https://nix-community.github.io/plasma-manager/options.xhtml

[opaque sigil]

maps nix options to the various kde plasma config files

[opaque wharf]

Ohh, so nix thing

[opaque sigil]

ye

is also nice as a reference to find out where tf a specific setting is saved

why is downloading songs on spotify such a broken thing

[kind nimbus]

I even made a custom nix hm module for plasma-manager to set some options and predefine other stuff

[opaque sigil]

i feel like they have some linear algorithms here that choke at 10k+ songs

[vague vortex]

It was either that or bro just has a plasma cannon written up for the funny

New conceal carry goes crazy ig

[vague vortex]

To build
Whatever it is you're building

[dull egret]

Pulled from an AI cluster by [SELLER], to be repurposed for an AI cluster by [ME].

[vague vortex]

Ah, I see
You got it from those folks at horus then
Flirt with paracausality responsibly

[dull egret]

Mf cards be all 1 TB/s memory bandwidth and 6.7/13.4/26.8 TF 64/32/16

Nice

[proven merlin]

Found an issue with llamacpp's auto-fit.. trying load the model + mmproj file causes it to budget for just the model, thus mmproj fails

[dull egret]

Horus?

[proven merlin]

There was a option to keep some ram open iirc, what was that called again?

[vague vortex]

Those sure are hardware specs, completely wasted on my layman ass

But the numbers are big so I'll just say Impressive

[dull egret]

They're pretty good, yeah.

[vague vortex]

And, it's a Lancer thing

Not topic relevant

[dull egret]

What is "horus"? And why does "paracausality" relate to that?

[dull egret]

Oh

[vague vortex]

Yeah don't mind me, if you see me in here just assume I'm the least informed person. You'll likely be correct.

[kind fable]

here's an example, my cursor indicate the injection point
the Mixin annotation on my class indicate which class i want to inject into
the wrapoperation annotation on the method is basically saying this method is gonna wrap that operation
meaning that when the operation is gonna be called, mine is gonna be called and be a wrapper around
basically like parenthesis around something, letting me execute code before and after the operation, being able to change the input and output
the method of the wrapoperation is init, which match the bytecode as i'm targetting the initializer of the class
then my target is an INVOKE call (INVOKEVIRTUAL in this case) of the method checkeulaagreement of the eulareader class which return a boolean (the Z indicate boolean return)
then my method take the instance of the class and the operation as parameters
and from there i'm able to do custom code, in my case i return a boolean value from my config or the return of the call of the method on the class
basically it's like if i turned the code into this (except there's some more function calls)

this.eulaAgreedTo = SharedConstants.isDevelopment || (Config.Server.bypassEula || this.checkEulaAgreement());

this is quite an easy example, but it can get more complicated

[proven merlin]

Found solution: --no-mmproj-offload

[olive sable]

i put the 13400 in the new mobo

the stock cooler required me to change the socket lock thingy backplate

fucking stressful to do that

lets see if i broke it

[kind fable]

here's another very similar example which should be understandable if you read the first one
wrapoperation kinda carrying tbh
-# also sadly you cannot mixin into Java directly otherwise what i'm doing here would be simpler

[proven merlin]

Can NOT recommend this! Its painfully slow. Like its beem going at an image for more than 3 minutes

[cosmic sphinx]

NVIDIA trying to save their stock as soon as Google announces their new TPUs lmao

[olive sable]

i hope gpus will get cheaper again due to this

doubtfull tho

[kind fable]

i hope RAM and VRAM and SSD will go back down

[warped narwhal]

and HDD, don't forget about HDD

I want my 100TB nas >:(

[kind fable]

HDD didn't spike as high

[olive sable]

doesnt TPU just use more HBM?

iirc the stats from before showed higher HBM per thingy

[warped narwhal]

hopefully they will need less TPUs than GPUs so it will even out or reduce

[olive sable]

total HBM capacity per pod went up

[opaque sigil]

TPUs do be scaling incredibly well compared to GPUs

who could've guessed

[olive sable]

TPU is speciallized hardware specifically for this iirc

so makes sense

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

kind of risky but i guess even if it had failed it's google so

whereas nvidia can just cut tensor cores and pretend this never happened if they wanted to

[olive sable]

they could also keep tensor cuz its kinda cool for certain stuff

dlss is not that cool, but fast matrix math can be used for other things

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

I'm honestly incredulous that it took them till tpu v4 to split it into inference vs training (via shittier ones like v4i being designated inference but really just being stripped v4) and then till v8 to actually really aggressively split it from the beginning like this with purpose

[vague sonnet]

the real question is are TPUs cheap enough to be worth it for consumers
or if GPUs will stay as the main pick

[opaque sigil]

they're way too tightly integrated to be run by anyone that isn't google lol

[fast pagoda]

You have been able to use you for a while

The problem is that's via

[olive sable]

im pretty sure tpu is dirt cheap comparetivly to gpu space

[fast pagoda]

Jax

[vague sonnet]

yeah that's what I feared

[fast pagoda]

Tpu*

[vague sonnet]

like ideally it would be an optional module supported by some mobos

[fast pagoda]

I ran a fine tune on tpu like 2 years ago

[fast pagoda]

That's coral

[opaque sigil]

did you see they supposedly have proper pytorch support now

[fast pagoda]

it's dog

[fast pagoda]

I didn't see that yet

[opaque sigil]

https://developers.googleblog.com/torchtpu-running-pytorch-natively-on-tpus-at-google-scale/

[olive sable]

nah. just make it a pcie device

[fast pagoda]

Haven't gotten to read the announcement but I saw a picture of sundar holding the split infer/training versions

Having mediatek and broadcom separately do the chips is good

Less central

[opaque sigil]

the engineering blog is a nice read

[fast pagoda]

I run pytorch natively on my AMD gpu

Support still sux ass

[opaque sigil]

yeah but google can write software

sometimes, this part of google at least

[fast pagoda]

I actually used Jax briefly for training on my mini pc

Holy shit was it slow

Worked better than rocm which is to say

At all

[opaque sigil]

flax seems kinda fun

but i also have 0 reason to touch jax so i don't

[fast pagoda]

It was interesting

[opaque sigil]

does google still have their own xla compiler

next to the shitty open source one

[fast pagoda]

I couldn't do anything except think of Jax from league of legends the whole time

[fast pagoda]

If they do they ain't sharing unless you're on Google cloud infra or something cuz only ever see openxla

[opaque sigil]

looks like they do

i get it but

at least go the nvidia route and just ship binary blobs man

[wispy pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/754754520256479232/1453480747678568701/forbiddenquickhack.gif

[vague sonnet]

works too

[olive sable]

this is why you should install a faraday cage

[opaque sigil]

the pcie h(100|200) is basically a tpu

[vague sonnet]

chat what's the state of gaussian splatting or similar tech

[olive sable]

i think its pretty cool

idk what you mean with "what's the state"
its a technique

[vague sonnet]

I haven't been following over the years so idk if it's good yet or still just for-fun

[fast pagoda]

I feel like b300 meets that description better

[opaque sigil]

no pcie

[fast pagoda]

Oh I didn't see that part

Was thinking in purpose lol

[olive sable]

Gaussian splatting is just pointcloud. no real change in how it works

[opaque sigil]

i guess you can get one of those dell gb300 workstations

close enough

[fast pagoda]

There's a water cooled one with an Italian name which makes it basically a Ferrari

[olive sable]

its both. it is good but it is also just for fun. no real practical usecase

[opaque sigil]

how much do they even cost

100k?

[vague sonnet]

why is no one using it? performance?

[fast pagoda]

Yes

100k

Unironically

[olive sable]

among other things yes

[opaque wharf]

Irl point cloud reference

[fast pagoda]

97k* but yes

[opaque sigil]

i hate that i was able to extrapolate that

[fast pagoda]

Lmao

Best part is the sillycon probably doesn't cost much more than like 5090

I mean, it's more surface area and shit and mem

But like

Is that a difference of 20x

Hell fucking no

[vague sonnet]

huh
isn't it just a more efficient voxel grid?
should be easy to optimise long distance with some kind of tree data structure

[opaque sigil]

i'd imagine the interconnect makes things a good bit more expensive but yeah

[fast pagoda]

Right I mean definitely it's more

But like

Maybe a couple grand to make

[opaque wharf]

It is not a more efficient voxel grid

[opaque sigil]

you pay for the r&d

[fast pagoda]

Surely

[vague sonnet]

stores less data than microvoxels no?

[olive sable]

in terms of games Gaussian splatting is bad cuz you're wasting 50 years of optimized pipelines using textures and the ability to reuse them.
and in terms of things other than games i have no clue what the industry is like

[fast pagoda]

The r&d of 'lets cripple fp64 to 0'

[opaque wharf]

It does however, allow you to reconstruct scene without having to gather a bunch of accurate point cloud

[fast pagoda]

Took extra research to figure out how to ratfuck the thing for all compute

[olive sable]

kinda

[opaque sigil]

tis very hard work

[fast pagoda]

I like how when we're all typing it's just 4000 toast

[vague sonnet]

idk about you, I can tell which toast is typing

[olive sable]

its cuz im a triangle

[opaque wharf]

That's easy to tell when only 1 or 2 is typing

When 3 is typing, all bets are off

Especially when all 7 toast are present

[opaque wharf]

I mean, it is able to do a ton of interpolation no?

[olive sable]

yes and no

with interpolation, do you mean connecting the points and guessing the colours inbetween?

[vague sonnet]

besides that there is the potential of having meshes with volume and procedural/AI generation of realistic 3D environments

with proper optimisation it could really bang

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[olive sable]

"meshes with volume" thats not how it works tho?

its not a mesh

[opaque wharf]

Ye its not a mesh

[vague sonnet]

well yeah they aren't meshes

which is why they can have volumes

[olive sable]

problem is you cant with 100% accuracy say which points should be connected

[opaque wharf]

Hence why I said it performs a lot of interpolation. Including guessing where the connected point is

[olive sable]

not really, you're still jsut getting volumeless points, liek the vertices in a mesh. but now there is no data on how they're connected

[vague sonnet]

you can't see the vision

[olive sable]

im jsut being realistic

this is kinda my field

[opaque wharf]

Text-to-3D using Gaussian Splatting: Applies 3D Gaussian splatting to text-to-3D generation.[12]

[wispy pike]

so earlier someone said that there was this guy that developed AI and was fired "because he got AI psychosis" and turns out a more likely reason for his firing was he leaked company secrets

I was like "yeah that sounds like a strange reason for his firing" and this logic makes more sense

[trim valve]

getting ai psychosis is basically on the job requirements these days

[olive sable]

i think people call gaussian splatting volumetric cuz you can change the angle of an image of you have ample depth data froma n existing image.
this is more optemized than 3D scanned meshes

its still terribly optemized compared to actual meshes and textures

[vague sonnet]

unless you're a UE5 dev

[wispy pike]

the goal for some of these people is to make a real AI gf, imho nothing wrong with a little mad science as long as nobody gets hurt

[opaque wharf]

Gaussian Splatting is volumetric in the sense that they do render volume (like, what is volumetric rendering if not rendering of a bunch of sampled point in 3d space)

[olive sable]

if you're using UE5 the gaussian splatting would also perform terribly.
but nah UE5 performs bad cuz of the software hiding a lot of shit in menus that you need to change for optimizing, and negligent devs not putting effort into finding those options

[opaque wharf]

That sampled point now comes from actual sample instead of a probability density function

[vague sonnet]

UE5 was marketed in a way that encourages bad optimisation

[olive sable]

it was marketed as easy imo

which would imply the software would take care of optemizations

which it only partially does

[vague sonnet]

no they straight up marketed nanite as "stop optimising triangle counts, it will do it for you"
which isn't true, it still runs shit with badly optimised meshes

also depending on mesh shape it ends up looking shit too

[vague vortex]

Less mad science, more weird science

She blinded me, with science!

[vague sonnet]

and ue5 in general is slow as hell
like man, I was a believer
switched from ue4 expecting an upgrade
ended up moving to unity lmao

[olive sable]

it does look cool, but its not really something id be willing to use unless thats my intentional artstyle

[opaque wharf]

Overlay anime character on top with text dialogue and you've got your game

[fast pagoda]

what a steal

[olive sable]

while it looks realistic, i feel like a good 3D modeller with some PBR could get something that looks close to that level of realism, while being optemized better

[opaque wharf]

I think I've had time traveled in discord. When the clock strikes 00.00 and someone and I sent a message, the chronological order is somehow 23.59, 00.00, 23.59

[opaque wharf]

Of course it would be because you have more information than just a gazillion of point

[fast pagoda]

[vague sonnet]

my point is mainly procedural generation
if you can get a nice recursive system, maybe use some AI to fill in blanks and add details
and then properly optimise the tech because obviously just rendering it raw will run like shit
then it would go hard

[opaque wharf]

Which reminds me, reversing a graph was a topic in numberphile that I need to watch

[olive sable]

i could argue the same for normal meshes tho

procedural

[vague sonnet]

procedural mesh gen is not even close

[opaque wharf]

Reversing the graph = reconstruct the whole graph vertex and edge from just a few vertex and edge

https://youtu.be/dWVCl4p-Zyc

[sick owl]

https://deepmind.google/blog/decoupled-diloco/

Pretty sweet

[olive sable]

i see where you're going, but even with AI you're never gonna make a mesh that is 100% consistent with attempting to fix the holes in your data.

[opaque wharf]

@opaque sigil your EB model milord

[olive sable]

AI is better at gaussian splatting than making traditional meshes tho

[opaque wharf]

I haven't watched the video, my hypothesis is reconstructing a graph is impossible

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

didnt watch before sending
i skimmed through it, i think the answer was you have mnultiple thinges so there is no definite 100% correct solution

"we dont know cuz otherwise we would have solved the congecture by the negative"

hmmm

[opaque wharf]

Unsolved problem in mathematics

Congrats Sam, submit your proof

[olive sable]

no u

[vague sonnet]

yeah raw splatting is not the way, tech hasn't progressed at all in recent years, researchers are slacking crazy

[mighty thorn]

Splat

[vague sonnet]

not toast, opinion rejected

[frozen hollow]

Butter side down opinion

[olive sable]

i mean, gaussian splatting is the same except you get ellipsoids instead of disks, and smooth blending. and maybe some change of colour depending on the angle you view it form depending on how advanced thee software you used is

gaussian splatting has some natural interpolation due to the overlap and blending betweent hem, but that stops being effective at a certian point

[vague sonnet]

well by raw I meant any splatting

[olive sable]

oh

i thought you meant normal splatting

like without the gaussian

[vague sonnet]

nah that's not even the main performance loss I would assume

[olive sable]

the original splatting method is from the 90s

it performs decently

but it looks ass

[vague sonnet]

oh?

tf are they doing to make gaussian so slow then

[olive sable]

blending and stuff

[vague sonnet]

they have to be doing something wrong 100%

[mighty thorn]

If this is still the bit in a week then I’ll join you

[olive sable]

you underestimate how expensive blending is

[vague sonnet]

I can see 2 simple approaches
of either sampling per pixel with precalculated screen space positions and depth
or depth filtering then drawing onto one texture

[olive sable]

they apparently use gaussian splatting for making 3D copies of cities for like real estate planning and construction projects.
forensics too so they have a copy of the crime-scene
also autonomous vehicles iirc
and FVX???? i think???

[vague sonnet]

pair that with a tree structure based on depth
to basically combine points into bigger points at a distance where you're not seeing much detail anyway

[olive sable]

ok but like, thats expensive

it might look cheap if you think about it seperatly

but you're doing that 2 million times, once per pixel for a 1080p image

[vague sonnet]

it's not 2 million what

[olive sable]

so each operation adds up

[olive sable]

1920x1080

[vague sonnet]

you said per pixel

[olive sable]

oh

i mistsentenced

[vague sonnet]

2 million is nothing for a gpu

[olive sable]

yes and no

[vague sonnet]

if you optimise it well it's all simple operations

[olive sable]

for normal splatting you can get away with using a Z-buffer and jsut using the closest splat

for gaussian splatting you're doing blending

so you're always using every splat

[vague sonnet]

what

[olive sable]

you know, transparancy

[vague sonnet]

screen space positions filtering

most of them won't cover many pixels unless you're close

[olive sable]

yes and no.
you're misunderstanding how this works

[vague sonnet]

maybe I know better and I'm "misunderstanding" because no one is doing it right

[olive sable]

you can try to do it better if you want

i fully support you in trying

[vague sonnet]

I might mess around with it
not a high prio project tho so not anytime soon

[wispy pike]

so like legit question, what exactly is ue5 doing that is slowing it down compared to ue4? unreal slop seems to perform really badly and I want to know how to best optimize it

[opaque sigil]

I hope you're not trying to traverse a tree on the gpu

[olive sable]

there is a lot of small slowdowns that combine into a big slowdown

for example

[wispy pike]

shit, that's an answer I wish I didn't get, that means it's hard to fix because there's many problems rather than just one

[olive sable]

idk what game this is, one of the newer space games using ue5. you have a mask to do certain effect, and the devs didnt set it to reuse mode, so it re-rendered the same mask 4 times per frame

[next cave]

How is everyone

[patent shard]

it's not
I wouldn't be able to charge my phone without it, the port just doesn't work anymore

[opaque sigil]

no option to replace the port?

[wispy pike]

so ue5 is just plagued with bloatware that is unnecessary for it to function

[patent shard]

I don't want to

[wispy pike]

and ue5 isn't given the most basic of optimizations either wtf

[patent shard]

that might of been good to do at first.. but now I just need a new phone and don't feel like it
so just continue wireless charging.. at least should of gotten a fast charging compatible wireless charger, oh well
it works

[olive sable]

idk if you could call it bloat, they're "features"

[olive sable]

UE5 does have the option, its somewhere in the menu they have, somewhere....
devs didnt enable it tho

[wispy pike]

it's bloat if it has to stay in the executable regardless of it being used or not, if it gets trimmed out then it's not bloat

[olive sable]

idk how ue5 compiels shit

soi cant say anything about that

[wispy pike]

why does epic have all of the slow features on by default, rather than off, and the fast features off by default, rather than on? nvm ik why - laziness

damn shame because like

[next cave]

Nanite, Lumen, TSR. UE5 stacked a bunch of crap together causing it to run like crap

[wispy pike]

I wanted to make a fan game of epic battle fantasy but in 3d using unreal as an overly complex joke

[wispy pike]

yeah so as I said, bloatware

[civic flax]

Guys so an update on the Link 3D model.

The files are too old, they’re from 2014, and Blender can’t properly work on them.

I guess this is the end of the road

[olive sable]

its quick, its easy, and its free until you get 1million USD, using unreal engine and producing slop

[wispy pike]

I mean hey it probably will perform as good as ebf did during the peak of flash

[olive sable]

2014 is nto even that bad, wdym blender cant work on them?
what are you trying to do that didnt work?

[wispy pike]

(not very because of the particle fx)

[vague sonnet]

ue devs like to cope but most successful games in indie and AA are made in unity
and most AAA is made with either in-house or other licensed engines

[olive sable]

i can say mean things about unity too, but they deserve it less and are mostly partially better

[civic flax]

Lemme show you the image, I found someone on VRC that was able to help me but they didn’t trust the source, gut feeling

[wispy pike]

I honestly should reinstall unity because there are games I want to mod that are made with it - P06, Hyperdimension Neptunia SvS, Terra Invicta...

[next cave]

As a indie game dev I also use Unity lmao 😭

[civic flax]

I don’t know how to work on Blender, I’m a newbie

[olive sable]

the model you downloaded was a blend file???? not an fbx or a gltf????

[vague sonnet]

unity is a great engine held back by its devs making weird choices
it's still mainly a do-everything-yourself engine tho so it works just fine

[wispy pike]

but if I wanted to make something new with Unity I would consider Godot, GameMaker, or RPG Maker first because of the install fee fiasco LMAO

ik they walked it back but like, I'm not rewarding a company that treats its customers like that

[civic flax]

This is a different one, it’s not the otr file, it’s one I found on deviantart alongside a Zelda based on the same game too

[vague sonnet]

the drama is over, no point switching to a worse engine

[civic flax]

Here it is

[wispy pike]

nvm switching to Scratch

https://tenor.com/view/artem686-gif-27464927

[olive sable]

if i wanted to make something id be very proud of i would use vulkan
if i wanted to make something i would be mostly proud of and i want it to not take 5 years, id use unity
if i only cared about upholding standarts of high graphics ultra hd 4K raytracing, id use ue5

[olive sable]

thats a png

[civic flax]

Yes but that’s the model, it’s not the other one where it was a mod

[next cave]

Yea that’s why I use unity cause my games are kinda retro style horror graphics

[olive sable]

ok but like, what file type is it?
surely its not a .blend file

[vague sonnet]

ue5 graphics don't even look good tbh

[civic flax]

It is blender

[olive sable]

they objectivly look good if the devs put effort into it, but at what cost?

[civic flax]

See?

[vague sonnet]

thoughts on that threat interactive channel?
I mainly watch it for fun but they do have a point about shit like ghosting and smeary/blurry looking graphics in ue5 games due to abuse of ai features

[olive sable]

the guy is mostly right, but i do find him a bit sus with at the end of his videos he just starts promoting his own shit

[olive sable]

i found it ye

thats fucked up

thats genuinly

damn

[vague sonnet]

legs.png

[olive sable]

FBX has been around since 1996 🥀

[civic flax]

thats like older than all of us right?

[olive sable]

some of us

not all

there are some oldtimers here

[vague sonnet]

nah literally no one im existence was born before 1997

[civic flax]

so yeah, i wasnt able to load any of the textures

which is weird

lemme see if i can do it with another link. the same artist did another one

okay its from 2019, theres hope

...what the fuck is xps?

[olive sable]

you gotta be fucking kidding me, bro "used" 25 32x32 textures. this model is just ripped directly from the N64, no way he made this

[vague sonnet]

it's allegedly an organisation and not a one man thing
so like it makes some sense
personally I don't do any active support but don't see it being an issue, would rather people spend money on that than the common consumer exploitation

[civic flax]

the best part is that compared to the previous one we can at least see the textures and the model

the problem is that is ancient

[vague sonnet]

if it is just a scheme
at least there is some knowledge given to people that get exploited lol

and paying is still optional so

[olive sable]

i think he criticizes the engine for stuff that you can do with the engine if you want to.
which im not sure is placed correctly.
on one side you can blame the engine for even allowing it, on other side you could argue that its the devs that shouldnt use it

the problem is mainly the industry being increasingly bigger budgets, bigger risks, bigger teams, bigger games, while trying to keep short development times.

meanign they cut corners on the dev where they can

[vague sonnet]

I mean, people have gotten so complacent we get dogshit optimisation in all consumer software industries
and if an engine not only performs bad but also looks way worse than it could
then yeah it's up to engine devs to work on that, not expect game devs to triple their efforts to fix the tool first

[olive sable]

i feel like unoptimized slop was always gonan be the direction we would go in

ever since people stepped away from doing the assembly programming themselves

[wispy pike]

I prefer low level programming but god damn that's harsh

[vague sonnet]

I'm glad AAA is in decline tho
can't expect people to recognise a bad product when the degradation was a long process
yet a lot of gamers do gravitate towards smaller productions nowadays

[olive sable]

the compiler wont always make 100% optimized code, and with that we got more and more complacent each year. and since the industry profits from having to spend less time on optimization, they push it as far as they can

[wispy pike]

ngl that is true

at bcit we are told that optimization should only happen after the features are already in place

[vague sonnet]

not entirely true
it's more that hardware got so good they stopped having to microoptimise everything
and when there are corners to cut you can expect for-profit organisations to do that

[wispy pike]

so optimization in the computing industry has taken a backseat for a long time by now

[olive sable]

im just glad people stopped taking this shit and the mainstream gamers also want optimization isntead of the stuff you saw years ago about pc masterrace big gpus

[wispy pike]

in favor of bloatware (re: my previous comment)

[vague sonnet]

I landed in a really good company man
I'm getting shit on in a code review if I accidentally copy a variable regardless of its size lol

[olive sable]

in my opinion hardware getting better is just a given. altho i agree that is also a big factor

[wispy pike]

well, I prefer having machines I can upgrade instead of having fixed spec consoles, but I do get that the other side of the coin needs to happen more often

[wispy pike]

oh my capstone project is almost all about optimization, I would probably fit in well there

the goal is putting ML-KEM and ML-DSA on IoT devices and/or microcontrollers

[vague sonnet]

it's the main factor
optimisation was a necessity, now it's a standard no one will hold you accountable for
because business optimisation wants less time and more product and optimisation and designs/planning take time
it's also why corporations are coping on AI without it having a proven record of genuine code improvement

[olive sable]

what i liked about pc is that its supposed to be a workhorse that is 2 or 3 times faster than the current console. but devs stopped making games optemized enough for consoles to run them well.
its not jsut pc getting higher perfromance setting tiers

[wispy pike]

tbh like

[proven merlin]

I personally am upset that coding ever became more than just a hobby, but thats just because im a bit extreme on the unhappyness of the current state of IT

[wispy pike]

a GOOD PC game (re: technical achievement) is something that actually uses the resources efficiently, ie Terra Invicta, which simulates a whole ass solar system as a very important part to the 4X gameplay

[vague sonnet]

coding hasn't been a hobby thing for like most of its existence because personal computers weren't a thing for so long

[proven merlin]

Hobby/Research then. And one has to consider that i (and my father) have grown up in a world where "(IBM) PC" didnt exist yet, but programmable machines did until they got mostly replaced by CBM's and such

[olive sable]

i think for games, the lack of optimization happened later than for less heavy applications.
with games being mostly single threaded back then and still decently single threaded these days, it was much more of a necesity for games.
also with shadercode each extra operation costs fps

[wispy pike]

that reminds me, we need more people making hardware ie GPUs/RAM/CPUs...

[olive sable]

in terms of being fully optemized, i think rollercoaster tycoon takes the cake

[vague sonnet]

ok chat I need to wake up in 4 hours so uhhh
gn

[wispy pike]

oh obviously, Terra Invicta uses a third party engine (Unity)

[vague sonnet]

[wispy pike]

RCT is fully coded in ASM

[proven merlin]

Or transport tycoon. (Same dev, awesome game, always overlooked)

[olive sable]

true

back to the gaussian splatting cuz i had more to add to that

[wispy pike]

gaussian splatting

I'll look it up in may I guess, I should be working on a project for a course...

[olive sable]

there technically exists something that might be simialir to what you mean. mobile gpus use tiled rasterization

desktop gpus also have a settign for that iirc, but its used less

since gaussian has transaprency, you need to do this thing blended ontop of eachother for each pixel

[glad path]

djd you ever get the volumetric display workign

[olive sable]

i killed the pi accidentally, and im investing in safety of my hardware rn

if i kill the projector i will cry cuz that thing costs 1K

the pi was only 270, which is a lot, but not death of the project levels

[sick owl]

[glad path]

how

[olive sable]

voltage go brrr

we dont know, there are 3 ideas

we're pretty sure its caused by 5v going into a 3.3v tho

[olive sable]

you need to do one of these for each pixel

so that adds up to a lot of operations

even if you do tiled rendering where you only include the gaussians that could have an effect on your image into the raster

you're still doing a lot of +=

if you do it with classic raster you're overwriting your framebuffer data a lot

[next cave]

I just frew up

[olive sable]

itsd in math language

in codee its less bad

still a lot of opps for gpu to do

but less bad

#version 450

layout(local_size_x = 16, local_size_y = 16) in;

struct Gaussian
{
    vec2 pos;
    vec3 color;
    float opacity;
    vec3 conics;
};

layout(std430, binding = 0) readonly buffer GaussianBuffer
{
    Gaussian g_list[];
};

layout(rgba32f, binding = 1) uniform writeonly image2D frameBuffer;

layout(push_constant) uniform PushConstants
{
    uint total_gaussians;
    vec2 screen_dims;
};

shared uint tile_indices[1024]; 
shared uint tile_count;

void main()
{
    ivec2 pixel_coords = ivec2(gl_GlobalInvocationID.xy);
    if (pixel_coords.x >= screen_dims.x || pixel_coords.y >= screen_dims.y) return;

    vec2 p = vec2(pixel_coords) + 0.5;

    float transmittance = 1.0;
    vec3 accumulated_color = vec3(0.0);

    for (uint i = 0; i < total_gaussians; i++)
    {
        Gaussian g = g_list[i];

        vec2 d = p - g.pos;

        float power = -0.5 * (g.conics.x * d.x * d.x + g.conics.z * d.y * d.y) + g.conics.y * d.x * d.y;
        if (power > 0.0) continue;

        float alpha = g.opacity * exp(power);
        if (alpha < 1.0/255.0) continue;

        accumulated_color += g.color * alpha * transmittance;
        transmittance *= (1.0 - alpha);

        if (transmittance < 0.0001)
        {
            transmittance = 0.0;
            break;
        }
    }
    imageStore(frameBuffer, pixel_coords, vec4(accumulated_color, 1.0 - transmittance));
}

something along these lines

compute shader cuz easier to do tiled stuff

this still misses the precompute stuff you need to calcualte the jacobian thingy

and you hsoudl also sort the gaussian list bwforehand

and this code is still terribly optimized, it would probably crash your pc if the scene had a million gaussians

[mighty thorn]

Jacob seems cool

Makes ai stuff work too

[olive sable]

no

[mighty thorn]

I-

It wasn’t a question

[opaque wharf]

Again?

[vague vortex]

I shoved this into visual studio, compiled and ran it, and now my PC is trying to turn itself into a car.
Terrifying.

[olive sable]

erm

thats glsl

[mighty thorn]

Not anymore

[olive sable]

visual studio literally wont let you run that

[vague vortex]

Update, my PC ran me over, please contact the Trauma Team

[opaque wharf]

Glsl on CPU is still glsl

[vague vortex]

https://giphy.com/gifs/evolution-evolve-GAXMzzd2XElnG

[olive sable]

bro is cpaping

[mighty thorn]

Update 1: my pc is getting louder
Update 2: it’s gone

[olive sable]

no, im mentioning the first and only time

[vague vortex]

"bro is cpaping"
true, I'm on life support after the tragic accident

[opaque wharf]

Ohh, I thought you already buy a new one

[olive sable]

im trying to have some money left over

[wispy pike]

Trauma Team is occupied trying to stop a rampaging cyberpsycho who installed a DOOM mod to his left arm

[opaque wharf]

Be me with 1 USD in my account 😎

[olive sable]

guys, thats gpu code. glsl; OpenGL Shading Language
visual studio wont run that. unless you do some weird shenanigans where you map glsl functions to c++ functions
besides that its no

[vague vortex]

Understandable, guess I'll die

[wispy pike]

he turned into a cyberdemon

[autumn sigil]

Guy can anyone check my ai code in projects. I used gemini to crossreference it.

[true hemlock]

bullshit, all the companies are just realizing they can hold supply for price to get high and in hope the ai companies buys them instead of consumers

[sick owl]

This isn't a company press release, its Nikkei

I trust them to verify their reporting

They're generally quite good

[true hemlock]

its some general marketing report

i don't blame them

but i blame the rest of the industry for directly causing it to happen.

the supply can easily meet the demand but greed just doesn't allow it i guess.

really tired of the "dram demand is increasing because of ai"

no, fuck no. supply IS the one decreasing due to the unbalanced allocation of the said supply

[olive sable]

i hate the lack of competition in the semiconductor space

[true hemlock]

all the companies sell less to consumer and hold all their supplies in hope that the ai industries buy most of the supply

its just batshit insane

these companies made "ai industries" as an excuse for that

[opaque wharf]

That's what you get for ASML monopoly

And the technology must be protected at all cost lest we want to get cheap semiconductor

Also, why is my phone autocorrect this bad

[young plover]

#1336777692070023271

[mighty thorn]

Brooo

@stark needle

[nocturne olive]

Not again

[mighty thorn]

Shadow you’ll never believe it

Shadow he invented agi

Without changing model weights

[nocturne olive]

Anyone got summary of what kinda slop it is this time?

[mighty thorn]

I wonder if the ai industry knew that all that stood between them and sentiment models was 5kb prompt

[mighty thorn]

It’s a text file

That’s it

Pure ai psychosis

[nocturne olive]

So probably just asked ChatGPT "Invent sentient AI"

[mighty thorn]

It’s like

Half way between a prompt