programming

[prime ridge]

The only time I write by hand is for math

[silent cloak]

My handwriting is dog water

[prime ridge]

mines worse

[silent cloak]

Mine needs a translation

[leaden crest]

by MVT there must exist some value c \in [0, 365] such that
f’(c) = \frac{1}{365} \int_{0}^{365} hbd(x) \,dx = \frac{1}{366}

however hbd(x) is only defined to have a range of {0, 1}

by proof by contradiction hbd(x) must always be 1

so it is always shiro’s birthday

[prime ridge]

Mine gave a teacher a mental breakdown

[leaden crest]

okay im done

[prime ridge]

I KNOW ur not using the MVT 😭

[silent cloak]

My teachers let me write everything on the computer

[leaden crest]

also nobody question the proof by contradiction it is definitely rigorous

[silent cloak]

Thats how bad mine was

Even back in public school

[prime ridge]

bro things they allen turing bruh

I still remember when my teacher said "I would have a better chance of understanding hieroglyphics than understanding your handwriting". I mean she wasn't wrong tho lol. I don't even know what my own writing says

[silent cloak]

I dont have time for writing classes to try to fix it

And thankfully coding isn't a job with much writing

[prime ridge]

Yeah I mean it doesn't matter much

[faint sandal]

it's only wednesday

[glass jetty]

wtf how its wed already

[faint sandal]

wow what a token waster

it generated the file and then realized it needs to remove the old file first and then regenerated the entire thing again

and the code doesn't even work

wow it only took 5 attempts good job

[glass jetty]

@faint sandalai literally cannot generate working code

just why even bother
code it yourself

[flint dome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHj6IvBmlpU

in other news: fork found in kitchen

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[glass flower]

that is 99% of my experience with AI. its better to just let it create a basic skeleton of a script and then fix it manually.

[jagged turtle]

water found in ocean

[amber fractal]

At the moment I'm just having Codex build a small app, defently not just a run now button as I have things called user requirements

[jagged turtle]

I reread this and somehow it's way funnier

[amber fractal]

I'd not trust for anything that doesn't already exist, but this is simple enough and should mostly function

[vague sonnet]

it's actually faster to not use AI at all

you can rip shit from open source projects

[jagged turtle]

it's not as easy as it is to rip from oss projects

[vague sonnet]

you will have a guarantee that it works if you have the ubderstanding if what you're reading

like I haven't touched http file streaming in unity in ages
tried AI
useless fucking clanker made up unconceivable shit
quick google, open some github project, I have everything in a clean form I can copy and adjust

[jagged turtle]

in certain languages that takes longer than just asking ai to do it

[vague sonnet]

english and the most popular game engine
idk man seems pretty basic

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[vague sonnet]

FINALLY EMBED PERMS

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-pose-senti-vegeta-vegeta-senti-herrscher-of-sentience-gif-7955799100582697100

[amber fractal]

True, if I wanted to rip features out of gimp just to make my prefered workflow then it'd take longer than just trial and error with AI

[vague sonnet]

it's a matter of knowledge

[amber fractal]

It is a matter of time as well

[vague sonnet]

if you know what you're doing you will only waste time with AI
if you don't know what you're doing then you won't catch all issues AI produced

and the public models just keep getting worse in my experience

[glass jetty]

nah it is faster to do yourself
if you not know some funcs ask ai what is used for task and then search for examples of func usage

[amber fractal]

Agree to disagree

[jagged turtle]

👆 especially the really basic utils stuff should be done yourself instead of relying on a package

[amber fractal]

I won't have AI touch some projects, but I'll be doing others

[jagged turtle]

the day oxlint has full compat with js plugins is the day I will really rejoice

[vague sonnet]

except asking AI didn't work because instead of using unity basics like coroutines it tried some wacky c# tasks
if it gave me wrongly implemented code using correct functions I wouldn't complain as much
but it's just wrong at every step

first open source projects popping up on google are at least highly likely to be of acceptable quality
and more often than not working

[glass jetty]

ai is tool for initial search
and yes sometimes it cant even make use of dataset

[vague sonnet]

as I said the models just keep getting worse
I was only using it to know what to google
now it's just misleading

[glass jetty]

btw speaking of open source projects

nah pull request still here

[vague sonnet]

my last successful usage of AI was it writing me box blur in hlsl
except when I asked for a different type of blur it gave me a different implementation of also box blur

[glass jetty]

I was only using it to know what to google
i mean exactly that
it is only use of ai for me now

[vague sonnet]

yeah but it sucks for that too

LLM tech has long plateau'd, it now started deteriorating

internet getting increasingly swamped by AI generated text that gets fed back into training datasets

[glad path]

i disagree, it's been getting mostly steadily better

[opaque wharf]

It is getting better. But just not as fast, that's why people are saying it's plateaued. I don't agree with that tho. Improvement is improvement, but I don't like when they overhype it

[vague sonnet]

the outputs are getting longer
that's it from "improvements"

the quality is going down tho

[stark needle]

Chat TIL at my new job the ci cd they have is they have pycharm installed on a windows remote desktop on which they manually clone the repo and have a Windows scheduled task that runs it as a cron job

This can't be real

[glass jetty]

1. why not, basically any other devops stuff but
2. so fucking fragile i cant believe Imagine manually restoring all the stuff in 2026 while all ready to use solutions exist

[flint dome]

chat as a hypothetical how hard would it be to make the fart gun from minions

[glass jetty]

[opaque wharf]

Not that hard

Getting the right chemical is the hard part

After that, it's basically spray gun or you could make it like vape by heating up the chemical first

[sage crag]

easy

but not very practical

[opaque wharf]

Well, chemical weapons are not suggested in the geneva suggestion after all

[jagged turtle]

[flint dome]

im just thinking outside the box

if something isn't suggested that doesn't meme you cant do it

[opaque wharf]

Well, yes. Teargas is a prime example of it

[rough bloom]

[true hemlock]

vrchat is multi threaded apparently but damn

[true hemlock]

people that uses ai and claimed "it worked" are just either stuck with JS slop or some simple "saas project"
istg llm coding never worked for me

it just always waste like 7 hours of my time

[opaque wharf]

Honestly, I prefer if app is using the full resources that is available to them if they are indeed compute intensive. FreeCAD for example still struggle to use more RAM and CPU

[true hemlock]

i had to learn java all by myself because i was so fed up of clankers being incompetent statistics generator machine

[vague sonnet]

finally someone sane 🙏

it's a loop for me
I try using it -> it's shit and I get reminded why I'm not using it regularly -> time passes and I forget -> repeat

[true hemlock]

i've been against llm coding since the beginning because i just don't think trusting a model that is meant to emulate text based "intelligence" is a good idea and they should NOT be given such constructive task

it won't and will never work

just see what the fuck happened to win 11

[vague sonnet]

the idea of a time saving tool is great
but at best it moves the time spent to fixing badly written code while risking bad architecture for no reason

[vague sonnet]

exactly
it has no internal reasoning, it's just a massive inefficient text completion algorithm

and it operates on human languages (programming languages included) which aren't good at direct and consistent communcation of the truth, they are just an abstract representation from natively inconsistent humans

[true hemlock]

i understand if people use them for like basic js backend and front end but no, DO NOT use them on system critical things

they're also ass at writing compute related code

[vague sonnet]

I mean, it's just a technology without future

[true hemlock]

like shader as example

[true hemlock]

finally someone said it

like

it ain't the future.

[vague sonnet]

you're the crunchiest of fellow toasts
heart

[true hemlock]

llm tech has existed for so long

we just decided to throw every scale at it now

[vague sonnet]

LLMs are inefficient and inconsistent
they have limitations in datasets and computation power
and we managed to hit both those barriers
the dataset is increasingly self-fed which makes it less consistently correct over time
and we all know what happened to hardware prices and supply

[nocturne olive]

LLMs are maxed out and still some idiots keep throwing money at them instead of new stuff

[vague sonnet]

I mean, it is a money making machine for the companies

[true hemlock]

as i said

for the company, its for cash

for the ceo though

they're actually dumb

sam altman doesn't even know how ai works

[vague sonnet]

get investor money, burn it all, pocket license fees from customers
you technically don't profit so you don't pay taxes
investors are coping they will get to fire all employees for a rich get richer scenario so they let you burn that money

and adjacent parts of the industry are loving it
hardware production and hosting services
just spin that money in circles to pay less taxes

[jagged turtle]

iirc not even the researchers know how AI works

other than math

[vague sonnet]

NNs are massive complex algorithms
that get built by pushing data through it until you achieve expected inputs and outputs
researchers don't understand it in a way that they can't precisely adjust specific things inside of it

they do know how outside changes affect its functioning

[true hemlock]

ehh that one, its more like they're attention seeking iirc with exaggerating that they "don't know how ai works"

i mean, they don't keep track of every single computation happening nor any of the datapoints, but they build the architecture to inference such compute

[true hemlock]

this

its same thing as we don't control what the CPU do in hardware level

[jagged turtle]

yea sorry I was being a little broad

[true hemlock]

but yeah sam altman is actually genuinely an idiot

the shit we get rn is because people put such idiot in charge

just a reminder that the guy that caused all the hardware crisis rn AND actually wasted it collecting dust in the warehouse

is a fucking first year drop out

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Altman

doesn't even have a degree.

[nocturne olive]

Sam Altman ==

[vague sonnet]

I think he's doing a good job
so many years of milking investors without the company creating anything of value

[fast pagoda]

Thiel like the taste of his blood though

[opaque sigil]

idk what you're expecting, most ceos are like this

if he was technologically competent he wouldn't be the ceo of a large corporation

[opaque wharf]

I am just starting my own company, so I am a CEO

[opaque sigil]

sorry i don't make the rules

[fast pagoda]

I can't tell who is toast

[opaque wharf]

It's ultra fun when several Toast are typing

Or when you hover to see who reacted and it's all toast

[opaque sigil]

oh cool

[opaque wharf]

Job opening?

[fast pagoda]

Damn, gotta do another shift at the palantir uruk-hai data pit

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-uruk-hai-uruk-hai-lurtz-gif-26068112

Claude

[opaque sigil]

yummy

[fast pagoda]

it's all toast

[opaque sigil]

always has been

[olive sable]

Vrchat should not be using that much cpu tho. I wonder what happens under the hood

[opaque wharf]

Cryptominer

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

When everything else doesn't make sense, it's always cryptominer

[rigid snow]

yeah i don’t get how people don’t get this

ceo is the ultimate management role of them all

[true hemlock]

people acted surprised when they heard sama is an idiot

i've been saying most ceos are idiot

[rigid snow]

he’s not an idiot, neither is he “technologically competent” whatever the fuck that means

[sick owl]

Was gonna say, he's not an idiot

He's just not a tech guy

[true hemlock]

he sorta is in terms of management though

the ram

[sick owl]

The mans still very savvy at business and PR

Most ventures like OpenAI would not be securing the investment they are/have

The RAM was a fuck up though for sure

[rigid snow]

was it though

[true hemlock]

ordered EB worth of ram every month only for it to waste in a warehouse

[sick owl]

Yeah since walking the deal back was a big embarrassment

[true hemlock]

and he cancelled most of the data center building shit

[rigid snow]

what repercussions are they going to face for failing to fulfill the ram orders

[sick owl]

Shaken investor confidence

[true hemlock]

i even did the calculation. its nonsense

[rigid snow]

did they though

[sick owl]

Less expectations of reliability in future business deals

[vague sonnet]

it could be you

[true hemlock]

you need shit loads of nodes

[sick owl]

It was defo a fuck up

[true hemlock]

that much of distribution of nodes is going to fuck up your utilization, nor its even realistic to maintain that many nodes.

[opaque wharf]

Reputation

[true hemlock]

don't underestimate how much is a fucking exabyte

[opaque wharf]

Or you can also call it trust

[true hemlock]

i see this as his stupidity in making the calculation and by extension, its a questionable management

all while his company is in major debt

that's why i said

he's a fucking idiot

on top of all that now you have investor making it an issue

[rigid snow]

yeah ig, if they announce a deal in the future it might affect how it’s perceived by investors / their ability to sign deals

[true hemlock]

good job, sama. good fucking job

fuckin idiot

all that to fuck up the whole economy

[sick owl]

One big fuck up doesn't make a person an idiot

It makes them someone that fucked up

[true hemlock]

its a big fuck up that could've been avoided

like

its NOT even that hard to calculate all the shit

i am also pretty sure he has bunch of advisors and a team for management telling him its a horrible idea

like

i genuinely don't get his thought process.

[jagged turtle]

vibe businessing

[true hemlock]

in what world would you fucked up with something that obvious, really?

[rigid snow]

obvious to you, not to him

[true hemlock]

especially when as a ceo, you need to consider A LOT of the variables

A LOT of the consequences

but no

this moron just went with his childlish idea

the fact that he ordered normal dram and not even hbm

[sick owl]

If they had the additional investment to follow through the idea actually would have worked in their favour

[true hemlock]

it won't

its still absurd numbers of nodes

[sick owl]

Its not about practical utility, its about starving out competitors

They didn't buy the RAM to use it

[true hemlock]

you're just wasting your own capital

[sick owl]

Its not a waste if it reinforces your position as the "Google" of AI in the eyes of the common consumer and causes B2B rivals to falter

[rigid snow]

LOL you think they actually paid

[opaque sigil]

doesn't openai have a board, wouldn't they just block it if it was just a bad idea

[true hemlock]

how is that not fraud 😭

[sick owl]

No binding commitment was made

[rigid snow]

it’s only fraud if proven by a court of law

[true hemlock]

he went in person to sign the deal no?

[rigid snow]

how is that relevant

[true hemlock]

the whole thing is just absurd

[sick owl]

There was no actual legal clause saying they couldn't back out though

[true hemlock]

insane

[sick owl]

He effectively signed a statement of intent

[true hemlock]

so where the fuck did all the ram go

[sick owl]

Well AI hardware demand is actually high still, some of it was anticipatory of the OAI deal

Some of it was tariffs and global instability

[true hemlock]

1 eb per fucking month?

[sick owl]

Some of it was the fact the RAM market is totally corrupt and proven in court to price fix

[true hemlock]

"ai hardware demand"

literally as much as dram as the whole TOP500 list combined

let me repeat this

its dram wafers

fucking dram

not even hbm

its nonsensical to say that its for the ai hardware demand

[sick owl]

That's where a lot of RAM stock went

The rise of MoE models accelerated demand for it exponentially

[true hemlock]

where the fuck is the demand even when current datacenters are already doing fine and still losing out profit from maintenance and operating cost

[sick owl]

Larger models that are cheaper and faster to serve than smaller ones as long as you have the memory

Go figure

[true hemlock]

perform somewhat ass ngl

for its size

[sick owl]

At smaller sizes yes, but I wouldn't call the Deepseeks and GLM 5s of the world ass

[true hemlock]

yeah regardless, 1eb is still fucking overkill

when you can literally batch the models aswell

its just absurd

pretty sure i've talked about the node count

[sick owl]

The exabyte was storage and not specifically RAM btw

[true hemlock]

its ram

you can literally calculate it

900K wafers

[sick owl]

Oh you're referring to the wafers

[true hemlock]

for 16Gb die on average yielf rate

[sick owl]

They never went anywhere dude

They're still with the original owners

[true hemlock]

love how after all that

we still stuck with the fucking ram crisis

[sick owl]

Is it really a surprise

[true hemlock]

whatever whatever ai demands

bullshit

[sick owl]

Because AI demand isn't the sole reason

[true hemlock]

when companies are already known to back out

i don't buy it when people said its really ai demands

i say

[sick owl]

I thoight you were talking about general stock exhaustion then not the OAI deal

[true hemlock]

its fucking greed and rugpull

[sick owl]

Well its that too

Its a combination of factors like most price crises

[true hemlock]

now dram companies realized they can charge whatever for ram

people tell me i should be happy with how its all going up in price because i have a lot of ram

dude its like

i have a house and housing price goes up
but i live there so like, i can't just sell it??

[sick owl]

They already realised that, it was climbing even before all this

Like I said, the memory industry is proven to price fix

There's only a few major players and they collude with each other

[true hemlock]

now they're going to do the diamond industry bullshit

limiting the supplies

to keep price high

while diamonds themself are actually dirt cheap

[sick owl]

Yup, no use getting angry about it though

Is what it is

Just makes you miserable over something out of your hands

[fast pagoda]

onion flavoured toast

[opaque wharf]

I will get angry tho

[fast pagoda]

I'm angry and i'm all out of ideas

[jagged turtle]

404 logic not found

[jovial remnant]

it do be the most basic example of supply-demand situation

[true hemlock]

now that im done venting and dooming

[fast pagoda]

ram be like stonks bro

[jagged turtle]

also discord may soon be using cloudflare turnstile for captchas instead of hcaptcha

[true hemlock]

imma get the s7200ap actually working

[opaque wharf]

I sure hope we don't treat RAM like investment

[sick owl]

New speculative bubble just dropped

[fast pagoda]

that's why he's ceo of openai bro

he just sees these things ahead of time bro

[true hemlock]

i have 768GB of ddr5 ecc but what good of the stonks when i literally still need it

[fast pagoda]

playing 3d chess while we all playing connect 4

yeah but the magic portfolio

have you thought about how number only go up

-# until it doesn't

i just hope that when the world economy detonates in an uncontrolled demolition when openAI implodes that we at least get a sora-generated video of sam going "GUH"

hopefully someone generated one of those before sora got shot out back

wouldnt be the same if veo generates it

[true hemlock]

god i fucking hope openai goes down

[obsidian mantle]

Why do you need it

[sick owl]

Detailed analysis of Gemma 4 31B quants from Oobabooga just dropped

Confirmed my suspicions about lmstudio

[obsidian mantle]

What does it mean

Good or bad

[sick owl]

Lmstudios quants do be kinda ass

Same for ggml-org

Unsloth and Bartowski trade blows at different sizes

[fast pagoda]

why not

[fast pagoda]

i thought this was known

[obsidian mantle]

I mean, do you have it running?
What is it filled with

[fast pagoda]

i don't have as much ddr5 in service as he does (320gb) but mine is all in use

[sick owl]

It was, but a lot of discussion about it was based on vibes

[fast pagoda]

it's all vibes all the way down at the end of it all

[jagged turtle]

ai = vibes

[fast pagoda]

there's woo woo all the way to ilya

bro is chief woo woo

[sage crag]

it never ceases to amaze me that a shortened form of "vibrations" (mysticism) made its way into common vernacular as vibes

[fast pagoda]

do you feel the motion of the ocean

[sage crag]

no

[fast pagoda]

damn, your 5g antenna is miscalibrated, please see your local verizon technician

[sage crag]

i only get like 0.00001% lighter when the moon passes overhead

[blissful geyser]

this LLM model is peak overthinking

[fast pagoda]

lookin like qwen

[blissful geyser]

Just write the damn code cuh

[sage crag]

Wait,

[blissful geyser]

it is

its one of the thinking models

im self hosting rn

[fast pagoda]

i am in tune with the slop

[sage crag]

thinking hard or hardly thinking

[fast pagoda]

qwen's thinking is highly unstable

try qwopus

[blissful geyser]

i give up

its just think looping

[sage crag]

its thinking hard AND hardly thinking

[sick owl]

All the Qwen 3.5 models are reasoning

[fast pagoda]

welcome to qwen in thinking mode

[sick owl]

If you get annoyed by looping try Gemma 4

[sage crag]

because it is a simpleton

[true hemlock]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rocky-absolute-batu-sEhqVeYhtVTbrDeov0

[blissful geyser]

im just gonna set it to nothink mode

[sick owl]

Much less prone to it on the new llama.cpp releases

[blissful geyser]

imma try it

[sage crag]

(Thought for 16m, 57s)
No.

[sick owl]

(and 31B is smarter imo)

[sick owl]

Qwopus is ass bruh

Most of the claude opus tunes of foundation models just degrade performance

[fast pagoda]

ive used it like one(1) time and it didnt loop where qwen (regular) did so that's the full extent of my testing

[blissful geyser]

wow that solved the problem(!?)

[opaque sigil]

qwopus sounds fun so it must be a great model

[fast pagoda]

either way if i want something that can think about anything it's not a qwen problem

[sage crag]

not even flushing

using namespace std

[opaque sigil]

using c++

[sage crag]

explicit return 0

[rough bloom]

no endl

[fast pagoda]

qwen thinking mode has always been an unmitigated disaster since they gave it the option

never seen anything useful from it

[sick owl]

I wouldn't go that far, its unstable but smart

[sick owl]

Gemma 4 is way nicer to use though

[fast pagoda]

unstable = bad

[opaque sigil]

I wonder how carbon is doing hmm

[fast pagoda]

one day theyll be on .2

[sage crag]

google project

its not doing

[fast pagoda]

and finally fulfil their destiny

the entire point of the project

memory safety

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

had to roadmap that one out

[sage crag]

memory safety AND cpp compatibility

[fast pagoda]

[blissful geyser]

tbh i dont want this for code i just want it to play minecraft

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Cabron

[fast pagoda]

dios mio

[fast pagoda]

minecraft qwen have decision paralysis worse than neuro

[opaque sigil]

rust propaganda

[fast pagoda]

at least neuro will enter an action once in a while

[sage crag]

its like rust but instead of Fe(III)2O3 its C (not c)

[opaque sigil]

Carbon: graduating from the experiment, NDC {Toronto} (May 5-8)
soon

[fast pagoda]

surely

[sage crag]

May 8th is soon

if it means this decade

also

2020 was over half a decade ago

[fast pagoda]

i feel like theyve had a talk titled like that since like 2023

every year

[sage crag]

i remember the name

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/almost-disaster-suspense-truck-gif-20767522

[opaque sigil]

there was one for 0.1 in 2024

or well

road to 0.1

[sage crag]

carbon: graduating from junior experiment to senior experiment

[fast pagoda]

0.1 isnt out lmao

[sage crag]

road to 0.0: we have done nothing

[fast pagoda]

how to get google to pay you for 4 years while working with the pace of a personal concept of a plan

[rough bloom]

adding a design for memory safety to our 0.1 milestone

[sage crag]

very memory safe: there are currently no publically used programs with unsafe memory behaviour written in carbon

[fast pagoda]

LMAO

[rough bloom]

so their whole point is memory safety

and they want to start thinking about how to do that this year?

[fast pagoda]

yes the whole point is mem safety however yes it's a roadmap item

[rough bloom]

[opaque sigil]

i think the thing they mainly dealt with so was is cpp interop

[sage crag]

we released carbon 1.0.0 a decade ago, here's our roadmap to memory safety

[opaque sigil]

which is an absolute clusterfuck to achieve

[rough bloom]

2028

[fast pagoda]

safety strategy

[sage crag]

beyond 2028, ship 1.0 language

[rough bloom]

very optimistic

[fast pagoda]

i like how it goes from

[sage crag]

its very true

[fast pagoda]

0.2

stop experiment

[sage crag]

2040 is beyond 2028

[fast pagoda]

to

idk 1.0?

[sage crag]

google wont let them hope for more

[opaque sigil]

0.3 and 1.0 same thing basically

[fast pagoda]

being a google project, 1.0 is insanely optimistic

unless it releases as 1.0

in which case

1.2 is insanely optimistic

those are the 2 options

[opaque sigil]

the repo has 333k lines of carbon

[sage crag]

dent

[opaque sigil]

10k lines of bazel, average bazel project

[sage crag]

after carbon 1.0 all further releases will be called nitrogen

non negotiable

[fast pagoda]

it's all just one guy manually typing out

"I will not illegally access memory"

like bart simpson

for 333k lines

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpson-gif-9689736898844440650

[sage crag]

wrrrrr

popcorn

[fast pagoda]

that sounds good

damn

kettle corn

[sage crag]

ye main ingredient is

corn

[fast pagoda]

and kettle

which

[sage crag]

with the second main ingredient being

[fast pagoda]

may include carbon

[sage crag]

palm oil

unethically sourced

tastes good though

[fast pagoda]

is ethically sourced palm oil

like

possible

[sage crag]

uh

yes

just

[fast pagoda]

in large quantities for mass production

[sage crag]

dont cut down swathes of land for plantations

[vague sonnet]

we're all toast now pog

[umbral wigeon]

Tiktok having Ai warfare in comments

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[vague sonnet]

become Toast NOW

[sage crag]

the original toast is here too

[vague sonnet]

there is an original toast?

[umbral wigeon]

What is going on

[fast pagoda]

right but like how does that scale and/or is there a known producer that doesnt do this

[sage crag]

@opaque sigil

[vague sonnet]

omg

[umbral wigeon]

What do yall thinks about gemini cli and claude cli

[sage crag]

the answer is

uhh

[fast pagoda]

lard

polar bear lard

[rough bloom]

palm oil ethically sourced from palms

[umbral wigeon]

I think it's very good tool

[vague sonnet]

LLMs are poopy

except neuro*

[sage crag]

our lard who art in heaven, oiled be thy name,

[opaque wharf]

Indonesia adjacent topic mentioned (palm oil)

https://tenor.com/view/ada-indonesia-coy-adaindonesiacoy-indonesia-ada-indonesia-coy-gif-7180128435367941739

[umbral wigeon]

I kinda don't like claude cli because it's a lot of money

[fast pagoda]

i used like $600 of claude code making it rebuild rocm for like 2 days

[sage crag]

i dont like claude because its kinda like making an 8ball named einstein

[fast pagoda]

(didnt pay $600)

[umbral wigeon]

I have to write hunrdeds lines of detailed .md just to give gemini more brain to do project for me

[sage crag]

it does feel a little disrespectful

[fast pagoda]

it is like being project manager for the most eager of morons

[umbral wigeon]

Also do yall use llm wiki for your project

[sage crag]

they should have named chatgpt after sam altman

[fast pagoda]

robert

[umbral wigeon]

(llm wiki I mean it's like docs folder that Ai can read, so it doesn't wasting time searching on internet and RAG)

[sage crag]

robert mc stealyourmoney

[fast pagoda]

i forgot that's his full legal name

[fast pagoda]

you shold pitch this to garry tan of ycombinator, he might pay $300 million if he forgets about his epic gstack in a drug fueled haze for long enough

[opaque sigil]

that requires an existing docs folder

[vague sonnet]

the fact that it's not generated automatically is a joke
instead of eating raw text they should embed it first and save permanent memory so they can later match the new context with saved data

[sage crag]

ycombinator is that one website that comes up if theres not already an argument about the topic you were searching for on stackoverflow or reddit

[umbral wigeon]

Ai likes to forgetting things, so I have to write a bunch of .md for Ai to make it smart

[fast pagoda]

haxx0r news

[vague sonnet]

on the other hand if we want efficient and consistent technology we're not using LLMs

[sage crag]

15th wayland argument in the last minute

[umbral wigeon]

Honestly I don't even write code anymore lmao, I write .md and reviewing pull requests

[sage crag]

sorry i forgot you have to check phoronix first too

[fast pagoda]

the world needs more discussion of the minutia of implementing wayland

there's not been enough human suffering caused yet

[sage crag]

well i think wayland bad and we're all gonna die if we use it and x11 is the tech jesus of the 21st century

i was told this in a dream

[fast pagoda]

viva la xlibre

[rough bloom]

Clearly they both suck and we need a third standard

[fast pagoda]

o captain my captain

[rough bloom]

one per distro, ideally

[sage crag]

yes lets name it x12 and then eventually rename it wayland

[fast pagoda]

i think canonical should carve a brave new path once again

[vague sonnet]

toasts, translate this discussion from linux language to english

[fast pagoda]

imagine for a moment if people had been locked in a debate as to whether or not explorer.exe was better than explorer.exe for the last 20 years

[rough bloom]

[umbral wigeon]

Using cli gives me aura in public lmao

[sage crag]

terribly leaky boat that works everywhere vs sturdy boat that everyone has a different version of but all universally sink if using nvidia components

[vague sonnet]

certified linux user moment

[rough bloom]

new proposal

[vague sonnet]

relying on LLMs gives you crazy negative aura ngl

[rough bloom]

run everything as root and give access to framebuffer + hardware

no display server or protocol needed

[fast pagoda]

[sage crag]

everyone draws to the same buffer

lets share all the stack memory of programs too

[rough bloom]

cooperation

[sage crag]

next we can make it so all programs use the same register space

[umbral wigeon]

I did not rely on LLM 100% I don't believe what Ai gives me it's actually good or correct until I review it

[vague sonnet]

you don't need malware when all ware is made to be mal

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

in fact lets turn off the preemptible scheduler and make a yield syscall instead

[rough bloom]

ye

run all programs as realtime

[vague sonnet]

it's guaranteed to be bad
"I don't know if literal shit tastes bad until I put it in my mouth"

[sage crag]

ye

also

run all programs as ring0

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

dont actually need syscalls, just make them function calls into the kernel

[fast pagoda]

terry??

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/terry-davis-cigarette-cia-hat-flanel-gif-11488411066314067703

[umbral wigeon]

it gives me as I planned in hunrded lines of .md prompt, I would not say it's shit but not always good, it do as I expected and code as .md said but still needs human to fix or review some results(If bad prompt)

[fast pagoda]

that reminds me, my program menu logo got inadvertently set back to not-temple

phew that was a rough few moments of realizing that

i wonder if ZealOS or whatever it's called ever touched the whole "we consider user space and kernel space the same thing"

32-bit color VBE graphics
Fully-functional AHCI support
Network card drivers and a networking stack
UEFI booting via BSD2-licensed Limine bootloader and Public Domain ZealBooter prekernel
Changes include:

60 FPS
VBE graphics with variable resolutions
Reformatted code for readability
Added comments and documentation
HolyC -> ZealC
System-wide renaming for clarity```

dont think so lmao

[sage crag]

program safety should happen at compile time and verification time

runtime safety is for people who fear like

exploits

and stuff

[fast pagoda]

leaner than carbon

304 mb repo

[fast pagoda]

the macos model, cant get exploited if nobody targets your shit

until they do

[trim valve]

nee, must manually jump to another program

[fast pagoda]

run your shit like a 1970s coroutine

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

what if OS but forth interpreted

i need a VPS that isnt shit for a thing

need sudo

maybe i just self host on my residential ass connection and then pretend i didnt forsee complications later

cloudflare tunnel means anyone can be a colo

would have 5 9s but my cat jumped on the main host box's not-enclosed motherboard

surely this search panned out

[sage crag]

they got 8 answers

all presumably pointing them to the ID IOT vps provider

the best free vps is the one you pay for and forget about

[proven merlin]

Safety shouldn't happen to begin with

[fast pagoda]

i had a lifetime use VPN for 6 years that i paid a one time like $5 fee for when they started

6 years because the company went under lmfao

[proven merlin]

I have a vps at strato. To no ones surprise, they suck.

But its cheap

And i have a proxmox running on it.. sooo

[fast pagoda]

I would just use ultra.cc but they do not give root in the cheapo tier I'm on and whatever it is to be a full vps type service is >$5 month that I'm paying for that

And I'm pretty sure something like that is $5 elsewhere

[opaque sigil]

hetzner my beloved

[fast pagoda]

hetzner is on the list

vultr was another that came up

and ovh

but vultr is murican and ovh is french

both of which are not fantastic signs for wanting to not get spied on tbh

[opaque wharf]

What about Hostinger?

[fast pagoda]

that popped up and honestly i thought the name sounded murican so kinda skipped it

but now i see that i am mistaken

maybe i should just use spaceship

i already have a domain through them

but theyre super merican

[opaque sigil]

I think hetzner tends to be quite uhh, skeptical if you're not from germany or at least EU
so I've heard at least, I wouldn't know

[fast pagoda]

hello it is me, latvian funyun, here to purchase a vps

Vpn through my netherlands box

[opaque sigil]

I love getting a call from some recruiter right as I need to leave for an appointment
couldn't have chosen a worse time now could you

[fast pagoda]

yes but now you are the asshole for rushing them off the phone

[opaque sigil]

oh well

he said he'd call back tomorrow I think

I was planning on sleeping after coming home from uni

[fast pagoda]

Recruiters have been a rabbit hole of garbage lately

[opaque sigil]

lovely

[fast pagoda]

I need one of these circle bois but right now is the one time I can't find any of the loose ones I know are all over the place in here

Immediately lost my thumbscrew and a slot cover

Nice

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

Found it after I already found a replacement

[fickle rain]

😍
It even has an Aquaero!!!

And an ancient dual D5 top

Archeotech ass shit

[nocturne olive]

Finnish?

[fickle rain]

I cannot confirm or deny

[nocturne olive]

That website is Finnish

[fickle rain]

The problem is that most of the hardware is worthless

I have no need of 290Xs

Or a 4930K

4960X? That's an entirely different question

[fast pagoda]

900d is a case tho

[fickle rain]

Sure is

I had one once

[fast pagoda]

i wanted one real bad back when i ended up with a cm 690 II

[fickle rain]

My best Tori find has been a Caselabs STH10 for a fair price of 100€

Same seller guy ended up helping me with thesis :D

[nocturne olive]

Finnish used market somewhat sucks unfortunately
I would know

[fast pagoda]

900D
STH10

full tower gigachad detected

[fickle rain]

Meh, I have the humble Asus AP201 now
It's tiny and good enough

Ended up selling STH10

[nocturne olive]

Finnish 3090s so expensive

[fast pagoda]

i have one of these for a sort of test bench type setup but nothing permanent because it doesnt fit a full graphics card and its hard drive cage

[fickle rain]

How much should a 3090 cost these days?

[rigid snow]

brother the address is right there in the image wdym

[fickle rain]

Old GPU anyway, stinky

[fast pagoda]

should? $500-600

does? $1000 for some reason

[fickle rain]

I guess good if you need le VRAM

[fast pagoda]

cuda + 24gb vram premium basically

it'd be more reasonable if it were 32

24 is too smol

[fickle rain]

Not an alltogether terrible price - but still very high for lastgen I think

It even comes with le GPU block

[fast pagoda]

1650 euro?

[fickle rain]

Yes

[fast pagoda]

about 2k is what ive seen 4090s going for

[fickle rain]

Keeping in mind this is w*tercooled

Which is fun thing to do but very much not for everybody

[fast pagoda]

if you had that STH10 you could've slammed a whole phase change unit in that son

[fickle rain]

To the best of my memory it was like dual 560s + 1 420

[fast pagoda]

i havent ever done a full loop because scared of leaks and never cared enough

[nocturne olive]

500€ is a reasonable 3090 price by my standards

[fast pagoda]

your standards are reliant on someone giving you friend pricing

[nocturne olive]

4090 definitely not worth it for that much

[fast pagoda]

i think skipping a full loop wc setup straight to phase changer [air conditioner]

is the move

[fickle rain]

IDK if that looks as pretty

And style over substance

[fast pagoda]

depending on your tastes

it might be in an industrial sort of way

calyos thought about doing a consumer unit at one point but idk if they ever did

they do rack phase changers now tthough

[fickle rain]

https://www.ldcooling.com/shop/l/85-ld-pc-v10-phase-change.html

Ancient machine

[nocturne olive]

I'm all for performance-first
Aesthetics are secondary, because I cannot afford any

And that is how I ended up with this thing

[fast pagoda]

that's what i was thinking of as soon as you mentioned STH10

[fickle rain]

We will soon relase controler software for - Windows, MAX and Linux where users can control fan speed, LCD light, brightness....etc

Yeah bro sure """soon"""

I don't think the company is alive anymore :D

[fast pagoda]

they had this unit

i wonder if any of these ever got into production and actually sold

lmfao

peak

[nocturne olive]

-# Also soon that will increase by 10TB on storage

[fast pagoda]

LOOOOOL there was a kickstarter for this case

and it was funded

back in 2017

and i just checked it

most delivered kickstarter

[fast pagoda]

send me the drive so i can fill the remaining void in my heart without buying anything else in my state of the art managed box of horrors that i keep in the closet

[nocturne olive]

Nah I keep it
Send me that tower instead

[fast pagoda]

theyre all sas which is why one of my sata drives isnt in there

[nocturne olive]

Drives

[fast pagoda]

cmon man i just want you to search for a pci device without having to do it manually dawg i just wanna be lazy cmon man

[proven merlin]

Would a fakeroot/chroot suffice for whatever you wanna do?

[fast pagoda]

it probably would work tbh, i really should just explore using that box first

[proven merlin]

You could also try running LXC-

That'd do it id think.. that is if lxc can be ran without root

[fast pagoda]

i am so fucking dumb man lmao

now that i actually look at it

the thing im trying to run on a vps is one of the already pre-configured installable applications on this box

at ultra

so even if it needs root it's fine because they already have a preset install for it

derp

welp thanks @proven merlin you made me take a 2nd look at it before writing it off again and turns out im just

[stark needle]

Wtf 30TB

What do u store man😭 😭 😭 😭

[nocturne olive]

*40TB soon

I have the drive right there on the table

[nocturne olive]

Models and datasets and streams and audio and stuff

NeuroSynth models are like half of my /home

[fast pagoda]

datahoarding is a disease

one i have

[silent cloak]

Rich person mode

[fast pagoda]

fast is fucking expensive bruh

they gave me that $50 in credit and i used /fast to see how truly fast it was on something relatively par for the course (probably building rocm ngl) and

i think i burned that $50 in under half an hour

[fast pagoda]

you'll enjoy the current storage situation here:
32 tb in that tower of drives (after 2 of them are non-storage but sacrificed for redundancy reasons) + my other enclosure on the mini pc which is 24+ 8 so another 32 tb, + 4tb nvme (2drives) in mini + 2tb usb(3.2) external on that one for another 6tb -> 70 tb, + 11tb in main pc as of writing for 81 tb, plus 2+2 for 85 in 4th pc, + 4 tb in laptop

89 tb
just a couple more to get to 100 if i count 0 of my externals except the one permanently attached to the mini

[nocturne olive]

I neeeeeedddd itttttt

[proven merlin]

No problem, we all sometimes overcomplicate stuff-

[umbral wigeon]

I'm sticking with open router and gemini cli🪣

Tokens is a lot of money

[proven merlin]

Meanwhile me chilling at ~9,75TB in my desktop- and 3TB in my main laptop and well a buncha laptops with like 500gb .. i have storage, just not central

[nocturne olive]

[fast pagoda]

honestly if i werent a moron with what i store ~10tb would probably be fine

[proven merlin]

(my desktop has more storage than my server lol.. actually my laptop has the same amount.. huh)

[fast pagoda]

i just like to keep stuff

juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust in case

[umbral wigeon]

I'm coding from phone

[nocturne olive]

These alone would overfill 10TB

[umbral wigeon]

Using Acode running cli is funny

[proven merlin]

Honestly same tho. Tho i could easly shave off 2TB ofy my current dataset if id ever go and clear it out and sort it lol

[umbral wigeon]

Are caveman extenison really work?

The extension that make your agent use less tokens

Reducing things

[nocturne olive]

2TB dataset

NeuroSynth is only in the 1-2GB range

[fast pagoda]

speaking of used storage i desperately need to let Czkawka/krokiet finish running on everything but holy shit does it take forever

[proven merlin]

Ive not kept so many things to just regret it later.. site going down, or simmilar.. since then everything ZFS.. apropos i should see if that experimental zfs windows driver works as a windows root disk..

[fast pagoda]

i have only seen people chatting about it but i assume it's like most fotm sort of things and is better/worse highly depending on what you're doing

[kind nimbus]

ZFS

[fast pagoda]

exactly

the stack of drives i posted a pic of earlier is currently hosted by trueNAS (zfs only i think?)

[opaque wharf]

1 PB of storage

[fast pagoda]

i will get there

one day

[proven merlin]

My bad, not that kind of dataset- meant dataset as in "data i copy to every device i own" and thus every time i have to wipe it due to no space (my phone has 3gb free atm.. its next) i backup everything blindly without sorting it and thus my dead data pile keeps adding up.. zfs dedup would help but urgh.

[fast pagoda]

little less than 1/10th of the way

[umbral wigeon]

https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman

Looks interesting, but no time to try, cus I'm gonna sleep

[proven merlin]

I litterally dont know how i survived without zfs.. i wanna see a hardware raid zfs card.. perhaps an fpga based one..

[fast pagoda]

i think im gonna keep zfs but move off truenas when i wipe the server

[nocturne olive]

[umbral wigeon]

I'm gonna learn chinese bro

[fast pagoda]

i think zfs specifically says dont run it over a hardware raid setup doesnt it

[proven merlin]

Gl

[umbral wigeon]

Caveman speak chinese

[nocturne olive]

10TB HDD, filesystem suggestions?

[proven merlin]

I mean, i use zfs on proxmox.. it works.

[fast pagoda]

it works yeah but i thought i saw it works best if zfs can manage individual drives or something

[proven merlin]

Yes. Thats why i want a card thats "its own zfs hosting thingy" that removes the ram and cpu load out of my systems

[kind nimbus]

Zfs does not work with hardware raid

It's software raid

Why do you want hardware raid?

Friends don't let friends use hardware raid

[proven merlin]

A zfs-accelerator is what i want

[opaque sigil]

this is fun but keep in mind this doesn't actually get you much since the vast majority of tokens are thinking/tools which are unaffected

[proven merlin]

I know it's software, i want a hardware version of it-

[kind nimbus]

OpenZFS

[kind nimbus]

But why ?

[proven merlin]

To reduce my cpu load and ram load

[nocturne olive]

And what features does it have that make it better than the alternatives?

[kind nimbus]

You can get an optane drive for l2arc

[proven merlin]

All the compression, all the modes, ram read cache, ssd write cache abilites, snapshots, virtual disks, quotas, stability, error checking..

What am i missing?

[kind nimbus]

Self healing, raid, snapshots, datasets, etc

[rough bloom]

FAT32, 5 times

[proven merlin]

Yes but im mostly cpu limited in many systems, and id just rather have a seperate card for it.

Something that can be updated ofc

[fast pagoda]

i use these for my SAS drives

they support hardware raid

[nocturne olive]

I don't think FAT32 is gonna allow for files big enough for my purposes

[rough bloom]

hardware raid

[fast pagoda]

i dont use them in hardware raid mode tho lmao

theyre in IT mode

[rough bloom]

good

[nocturne olive]

If just I had enough drives for a RAID

[proven merlin]

I mean i already trade a pcie slot for a sata adapter to connect my disks.. id just want the zfs calcs and logic and caches to also be run over it at that point. I don't think it'll happen but yea.

[kind nimbus]

That's the right way

[nocturne olive]

And how would one make a ZFS partition correctly with all the features then?

[proven merlin]

IT? Is that like HBA?

[kind nimbus]

Yea

[proven merlin]

Ah yea

[fast pagoda]

IT mode stands for initiator target

[proven merlin]

Zfs doesnt mind that, aslong smartctl can read data iirc

[opaque sigil]

you take a course in zfs

[kind nimbus]

When you flash a raid controller to it mode it basically becomes a hba and then you can do software raid via zfs

[nocturne olive]

[proven merlin]

Ah.

[fast pagoda]

this

[proven merlin]

Its fairly easy, but i always consult the decent documentation

[fast pagoda]

$15

uh oh

unleak

[nocturne olive]

What is a "pool" for

[proven merlin]

https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/820-2313/gaynr/index.html
Why is the thing so ass

[nocturne olive]

I just want a big partition

[rough bloom]

zfs kinda complicated to set up

big part of why I prefer btrfs for smaller setups

[fast pagoda]

a pool is just a group of drives

[nocturne olive]

What about BTRFS?

[fast pagoda]

i like btrfs

[proven merlin]

You have Pools, vdevs, and logs iirc.

[fast pagoda]

i use it for my system drives on my main pc

[opaque sigil]

i like the poor man's zfs (btrfs)

[nocturne olive]

Me no need groups me only have one 10TB drive

[proven merlin]

Nice, but some modes are flaky (raid5/6 iirc)

[rough bloom]

mostly same features, with some caveats that you have to keep in mind but usually don't really matter (namely, defective RAID)

[nocturne olive]

Me no have RAID because expensive

[fast pagoda]

you can set up a partition on a pool

it's kinda weird

you start with disks/vdevs

combine one or more to a poool (zpool) which is just your storage blob

[nocturne olive]

I think ZFS is too advanced for my purposes

[fast pagoda]

it's just a giant blob of space

and then you can set up datasets within the pool which is kinda like volumes

[nocturne olive]

BTRFS more manageable?

[proven merlin]

Iirc, for zfs all you do is
zpool create MyZFSDiskName sda
As example... You can also add -o options like compression=lz4 and such, but most options you can set after creating it and new data will be added with those settings. The only thing you should do from the get go is ashift=12 for 4k blocks.

[fast pagoda]

you can make zvol that show up as a block devices

[rough bloom]

it is
it's a good fs but you're probably gonna spend a day studying it before deploying it anywhere

[nocturne olive]

BTRFS then me thinks

[opaque sigil]

use bcachefs

[fast pagoda]

there you go

[nocturne olive]

Not the drama FS

[fast pagoda]

live for 7.0 surely

[proven merlin]

It is very different from normal fs's but very flexible and able to be expanded.. and you can do "fake raid" on your one disk, via copies=2 and such.

[kind nimbus]

How is zfs complicated to setup?

It's super easy

[opaque sigil]

compared to any other file system that's in the kernel it is

granted it also does a lot more

[proven merlin]

Any other fs you do mkfs.ext4 or something and good is

[rough bloom]

can I run mkfs.zfs /dev/sdX and get a usable partition?

[fast pagoda]

zfs is actually insanely easy to set up because usually it'll just eat all the available drives into a pool which then you divvy up into datasets or zvol from there

[proven merlin]

Zfs IS different and needs a bit of work

[proven merlin]

Thats true. Zvols and zfs datasets are so damn good

(do set a 80% capacity quota on your main tank though.)

(or 500GB, whatever is smaller)

[kind nimbus]

zpool create -o ashift=12 -O compression=lz4 -O atime=off <Poolname> <drive>

[proven merlin]

Its a bit of getting used to its oddness, but it its so worth post-zfs-trauma

[fast pagoda]

sudo zpool create <poolname> /dev/sdX without any other options

[proven merlin]

Tbh id keep atime on/default and just use a slog

[kind nimbus]

For ssds i usually disable it

[rough bloom]

does this immediately allow me to store files on it

[fast pagoda]

yeah itll just show up mounted

[proven merlin]

Not have had issues on my ssds with atime, been using em fairly heavly and theyre still at 99%, but idk, prolly depends on workload

[kind nimbus]

You need to mount it via zfs set mountpoint then the cache file will mount it on bootup

[fast pagoda]

first use yeah true

[proven merlin]

Zfs remembers on boot

Also you get to enjoy zfs send/recv

And vms just get a zvol

[fast pagoda]

sudo zpool create -o ashift=12 -O compression=lz4 -O atime=off tank /dev/disk/by-id/<id> to be based /disk/by-id/<foo> enjoyer

[proven merlin]

Do a system update? Do a zfs snapshot first.

Ye do use diskid

And should you ever need a fat32 partition you just format the zvol, no wierd loop mounts and such

[kind nimbus]

I now run zfs everywhere lmao

On my laptop, server, storage server

[proven merlin]

Im gonna put zfs as my root for my arctix install.. i hope it goes well

[rough bloom]

[kind nimbus]

Not sure I only use it on FreeBSD and NixOS

What is arctix? An arch based distro ?

[proven merlin]

I Used it on arch before once, but arctix looks like more control.. and im not willing to go with nix.. at that point id just go past lfs and deal with it, but thats because i hate myself

[proven merlin]

Arch but not bound by init

[fast pagoda]

artix is a non systemd arch

[proven merlin]

you can use dinit runit, openrc, even systemd if you wanna

Kinda stupid to tho.

[fast pagoda]

yeah i should say not forced systemd

openrc/runit/s6/dinit (pog)

[kind nimbus]

Ah ok

what about bsdinit?

[proven merlin]

Honestly

Probably works

[fast pagoda]

literally exactly what i was about to type lmao

[proven merlin]

Youd just need to get if from aur and write your own service files

(or from source)

[fast pagoda]

i am finding that

Artix Linux officially supports "BSD rc.d" as an init system as well

[fickle rain]

Lol is Claus forcing ID verification now?

[proven merlin]

Damn

[kind nimbus]

On a Linux system? That would be kinda funny

[proven merlin]

Its all just C, not really os dependant

[fast pagoda]

it supports rc.d system

officially

lol

[kind nimbus]

Lol

[proven merlin]

Best part is they offer per package a init file

So like openssh-r6

Is what youd install for r6 service file

[kind nimbus]

Yeah but still I'm a bit surprised

[proven merlin]

Kinda stupid that its manual instead of a config with auto fetch, but one day, surely.

[proven merlin]

Fair

[fast pagoda]

artix also can work with sysvinit

66

as well

[proven merlin]

I think it might work with windows autostart if someone ports it

[fast pagoda]

Lmfao

[kind nimbus]

[fast pagoda]

what is macos init system

[proven merlin]

Hmmmm actually lemma add that to the todolist: port reactos autostart to artix

[fast pagoda]

launchd

[kind nimbus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launchd

[proven merlin]

Knowing its just bsd...

Prooobably possible

[fast pagoda]

SystemStarter kek

[kind nimbus]

A port to freebsd of Launchd lmao

Granted a bunch of Mac os stuff should work on freebsd since Mac os is basically bsd

[proven merlin]

I mean people are trying to make whats a reactos to windows for macos-

[kind nimbus]

hackintosh standalone

[proven merlin]

I forgot what their name was..

[fast pagoda]

openBSD wins over freebsd solely because their art department is gigabased

[sage crag]

[kind nimbus]

OpenBSD wins due to vulnerability count

[proven merlin]

"helloSystem, ravynOS, airyxOS".. hmm

[proven merlin]

OpenBaSeD

[kind nimbus]

Also the art is cool yea

[fast pagoda]

but does freeBSD have a sweet puffy mascot

NO

[kind nimbus]

There was a doctor who puffy as well

[proven merlin]

They do have a devil iirc

[tender river]

ye

freebsd mascot

->

[fast pagoda]

there's so many good ones

[proven merlin]

The chad-ahh face lmao

[fast pagoda]

technically the devil has been around for some openbsd

[proven merlin]

Tho honestly, idk if i should go Artix or opensuse.. maybe openmandriva?

[fast pagoda]

mandriva is a crazy pull

[tender river]

oo it isnt freebsd mascot

[fast pagoda]

in 2026

[proven merlin]

I wouibe surprised if i have a cd for that somewhere..

[tender river]

just the bsd mascot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon

[fast pagoda]

ye

mr daemon

[proven merlin]

No not mandriva, openmandriva.

My netbook ran mandriva by default lmao

[kind nimbus]

Ngl I'm super happy with FreeBSD on my server now

Runs very well and stable

[proven merlin]

Actually.. it was called mandrake by then still iirc

[fast pagoda]

im finna run exclusively PCLinuxOS

while distrohopping a while back i briefly slapped ghostBSD on my main pc

[proven merlin]

I could also go with Haiku...

They do have a working turing+ nvidia driver

[fast pagoda]

ghostBSD worked great with a 3080

[kind nimbus]

Oh i remember GhostBSD as well

But it's basically FreeBSD with a gui pre installed no ?

[proven merlin]

(thanks to nvidia-open being so portable

[fast pagoda]

it used to be based on freebsd

and then wasnt

and then is again

[kind nimbus]

Lol

[fast pagoda]

so it depends on the version lol

currently, yes it's just a flavour of freebsd

[proven merlin]

Freebsd'nt.. Schrödinger'sBSD

[fast pagoda]

i used the xfce version

it was pleasant

[proven merlin]

Apropos DE's and such.. any recommendations for minimal ram useage?

Im currently failing to go slimmer than MATE and it pisses me off

[fast pagoda]

debian with lxde

[proven merlin]

Im sitting at 300mb with it

[fast pagoda]

extreme could go for like tiny core linux

that fits in

12mb

[proven merlin]

Tinycore is a scam

True ballers use DSL

(DamnSmallLinux)

[fast pagoda]

i dunno i watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxeRCpg9mfc once and ill have you know that makes me an expert

[proven merlin]

(juicy 2.something kernel)

[kind nimbus]

Openbox

[proven merlin]

It doesn't run on my first laptop, due to 16mb ram + 1mb vram.. not happy (lol)

[fast pagoda]

i really like openbox

unfortunately being X only means it's stuck in a void

[kind nimbus]

Or Fvwm if you like retro stuff

[fast pagoda]

the humanity

[proven merlin]

I actually tried running it, but i dont really save anything and the lack of good panels drive me mad.. what panel is minimal, has auto app-detection and is "windows like"-?

[fast pagoda]

i look at this and i say

hell yeah

[proven merlin]

Yes

[fast pagoda]

ace of base kekw

[nocturne olive]

What do you mean X only stuff is great

[proven merlin]

Xlibre hell yea

[fast pagoda]

reminds me of this ancient meme about people with cluttered ahh wow UI

[proven merlin]

Peak experience

Wouldn't want it any other way