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kind nimbus
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Do it

olive sable
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Depends mostly on if you need any apps that are windows on´y

fiery canopy
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im on arch

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lol

olive sable
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Adobe, office, or games with easy anticheat are the big offenders

olive sable
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Ok sure then

fiery canopy
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I mainly am griping cas I got a specific script Idk if I can be bothered to rewrite

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cas I run a coding course

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and I host that shit myself since where I host the infra is shit

olive sable
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Nixos is the natural next step up from arch. I think

fiery canopy
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mostly

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for me rn its the effort am I awake enough to do it lol

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tbf good thing abt it is that Its hard to fuck up because I am just copying configs

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from laptop

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pc

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fuck

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fml

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I cant type

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laptop to pc

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there we go

olive sable
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You could have just eddited the message enub

fiery canopy
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ye ik, my brain is not braining. I have been awke 18 hours barely 2 hours of sleep

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was not the most meta experience in the world as I think you could imagine, I forgot I had stuff which required me to be alive early hence me not sleeping till 4 when I have to be up at 6

olive sable
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Your name is Don miniHmm

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Which do you prefer? Don sir gaming, or Don jawline?

fiery canopy
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😭

olive sable
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Dont bother googeling this nonsense, its a rabbithole

fiery canopy
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I am passively aware of it

olive sable
fiery canopy
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tbf in all reality it would be as simple as me plugging in my USB drive, running the installer , rebboting pc. Git clone , run script reboot

olive sable
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Straight back to pc stuff kekw

fiery canopy
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we do not worry abt it

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Do I feel like rewriting multiple scripts tonight

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tbf I dont have to tonight

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I wont need till either later this week or , next week so technicalkly I have like a solid 4 - 7 days,

olive sable
fiery canopy
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tbf in all logic I should probably just do it to make my life easier so I don't keep trying to do nix stuff on my pc and arch stuff on my laptop when brain decides to disable functioanlity

proven merlin
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Kinda yea.

kind nimbus
kind nimbus
stark needle
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Hi

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I'm ming

olive sable
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Ming who?

fiery canopy
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Its just not straight from intsaller

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I have to boot but after that it does it

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cas it installs hypr and stuff aswell

warped narwhal
rare bramble
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oh damn, I have a simple tokio + reqwest program deserializing json from rest endpoints, decided to try out smol + surf and it's like 50% faster, somehow?

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to be fair, it just sends a couple of requests per call, it's not high throughput

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but still

kind nimbus
warped narwhal
kind nimbus
proven merlin
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Might just go in without a handbook.. what could go wrong

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Tbf id love to write some minimal linkers but i know Jack shit about toolchain work.

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Imagine a ld where you can keep multiple versions of idk, any lib, lets say openssl, and force any app to use any other version simply with some config files-

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If projects follow propper versioning, it would even allow for partial automatic updates i think

stark needle
olive sable
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Toast

warped narwhal
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is 8 network interfaces too many interfaces?

kind nimbus
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my server currently has 10

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❯ ifconfig -l
em0 em1 lo0 bastille0 em0.20 em0.99 vm-iot vm-home tap0 tap1
stark needle
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😭

warped narwhal
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I just install docker in a different namespace to avoid that

olive sable
frosty summit
fiery canopy
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I have returned from the ventures of installing nixos and for some reason me having to rewrite my hyprland display config 8 times because it didnt like it

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I had stuff to do tongiht

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I need to do that still

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I am now not going to get to sleep early like I wanted fml

lean bluff
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Have you seen the caveman thingy?

mighty thorn
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Staring contest

lean bluff
kind fable
patent shard
patent shard
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mhm

tropic spindle
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Funnily enough, the embed isn't showing up for me

warped narwhal
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So I decided that I hate myself, and I implemented a brainfuck interpreter in raw assembly

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but hey, it works neuroHypers

jagged turtle
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Are you ok?

warped narwhal
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no

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writing a program that is too big will crash the code apparently

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Sadge the worst part

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it's faster than the bf interpreter I wrote in C even when compiled with -O3

opaque sigil
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that's just noise enub

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i'm sure a sufficiently smart compiler would fix this glueless

tender river
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bf interpreters are boring

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make a bf compiler

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idiom recognition, jit, optimization passes

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surely it will be fun glueless

willow gale
bitter phoenix
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@maiden geyser hi

dull egret
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Best paper I've read so far this month:
︀︀
︀︀All elementary functions (sin, cos, tan, exp, log, powers, roots, hyperbolic functions, π, e, and even basic arithmetic) can be generated from just one binary operator:
︀︀eml(x, y) = exp(x) − ln(y)
︀︀…plus the constant 1.

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amber fractal
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At least if it is to be believed

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I'm reserved in my opinion so far

dull egret
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I'll take a better look at it, after I finish eating.

But it sounds like the kinda thing I'd be looking for

amber fractal
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@real sierra kill

real sierra
dull egret
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SKULLGE_SUPREME

amber fractal
jagged turtle
amber fractal
jagged turtle
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neurOMEGALUL straight to the AI black hole for them

patent shard
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my ssd from 2012 may have died neuro7
idk, got a massive amount of paging errors in event viewer and it feels warm

patent shard
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I never really used it anymore, anyway
and it was only 240gb (which was $250 back in the day, oof)
I don't know what I had on it but hopefully nothing important
really need to back up all my stuff

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really should of checked it sooner, I think it had been having issues for like a week now neurOMEGALUL
possibly just running some endless loop of whatever

kind nimbus
patent shard
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yeah, I did too

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except USD

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240gb obviously didn't hold me out for long and I ditched hard drives right when I got that ssd

faint sandal
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I paid for 250gb for 150 back in 2013

patent shard
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and then 2tb got down to $63 and 4tb down to $150
dang you, discord.. need to resub to that channel to get that emote back..

kind nimbus
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SSDs for operating systems were probably one of the most significant speedups in computer history where you can immediately feel the impact

glass jetty
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no toasts

vague sonnet
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was asleep

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jumps out of toaster

kind nimbus
stark needle
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Toa

sage crag
tight tinsel
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went to assist a robotics competition again this year and one of my juniors caught the top school cheating in broad daylight

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still won first place after literally fully swapping out their robot

obsidian mantle
tight tinsel
# obsidian mantle How did they cheat?

they had a performance where they would do a "magic trick" with their robot behind a curtain and during that time they completely swapped out their robot for a new one

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only reason they could even pull this off is because reputation and also because their school genuinely has infinite budget

obsidian mantle
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Damn

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But how was it caught NeurOhISee i assume both robots look the same otherwise there is no sense

tight tinsel
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welp the competition has basically no prizes and its only used for their portfolio so not that big of a deal

kind nimbus
olive sable
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No

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I have to go to Amsterdam

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This thing arrives today

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But im not home till friday

amber fractal
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Free wifi card yoink

olive sable
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I need this to make bluetooth work with E r P

amber fractal
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Cerber4K interesting acronym there

olive sable
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Energy-related Products

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I know

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...

amber fractal
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Haha

idle dune
opaque wharf
opaque wharf
jagged turtle
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Economical RAM Pricing

real sierra
jagged turtle
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hi shiro

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how's your birthday today

real sierra
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hey hey ktrain

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i wouldn't know, no birthday today

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but if it were

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it would've been a good birthday

jagged turtle
real sierra
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headed to bed shortly

jagged turtle
real sierra
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just doing a quick walk-around of the server to make sure everything is in order

opaque wharf
jagged turtle
rare bramble
oblique verge
sage crag
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@rare bridge

jagged turtle
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what happening

true hemlock
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The new Socket, labeled as "Socket V," is not only next-gen CPU-ready, with reports claiming Razor Lake, Titan Lake, and Hammer Lake, all landing on the same package, but will also make it easy for DIY users to reuse existing coolers without needing to change their cooling solutions.
maiden geyser
true hemlock
# true hemlock https://wccftech.com/intel-nova-lake-core-ultra-series-4-desktop-cpu-die-skus-de...

okay, imma just list it all
(eq means full core equivalent based on 2e ~ 1p)
also bLLC is big last level cache so huge cache but apparently not stacked like amd so its a 154mm² tile instead of 98mm² tile. probably for the better TBH allows for us xOC people to have fun with lower thermal density overall

Core Ultra X(?)

  • 48 core - 2x (8p+16e bLLC) - (32p eq)
  • 40 core - 2x (8p+12e bLLC) - (28p eq)

Core Ultra 9

  • 24 core - (8p+16e bLLC) - (16p eq)
  • 24 core - (8p+16e) - (16p eq)
  • 18 core - (6p+12e) - (12p eq)

Core Ultra 7

  • 20 core - (8p+12e bLLC) - (14p eq)
  • 20 core - (8p+12e) - (14p eq)
  • 12 core - (4p+8e bLLC) - (8p eq)

Core Ultra 5

  • 18 core - (6p+12e) - (12p eq)
  • 8 core - (4p+4e) - (6p eq)
  • 4 core - (4p)

Core Ultra 3 (i felt bad so i'll actually include lp core this time)

  • 6 core - (2p + 4lp) - (2p eq)
true hemlock
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because i don't consider them compute core they're more like i/o cores residing in the i/o tile

idle dune
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hmmThinkers I wonder how they will perform.

true hemlock
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i just need more info about the pcie but i haven't gotten time to look into that

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but well

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also, i hope they bring back SMT

idle dune
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I forget what SMT is

sage crag
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simultaneous multi threading

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can have benefits on compute workloads that fully utilise all the cores you give them

true hemlock
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hardware level thread concurrency

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so it switch between 2 threads per cores

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this have benefit

sage crag
true hemlock
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if your first thread is doing vector heavy compute

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it can do it while also switching to the 2nd thread

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so you can get overall more multi threaded instructions executed

true hemlock
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i never feel any difference between SMT on and off for single thread programs

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but it does feel different on multi

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so i just kept SMT on all times

sage crag
true hemlock
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also SMT doesn't waste space its just extra registers and pointer hardwares and switching module

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maybe some predictions component aswell

sage crag
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oh right, triangle was one with big performance impact of smt on vs off

true hemlock
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hm?

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right i haven't done triangle for long

sage crag
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i got much higher fps with smt disabled on triangle

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it pins one core to 100% usage and has another thread doing who knows what

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the fact i dont have a dgpu may be related

opaque wharf
true hemlock
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yep

opaque wharf
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They finally realize the error of their ways lol

true hemlock
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lga 1851 is ass

idle dune
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Now what does AMD have to fix

true hemlock
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extreme oc people still prefer 14900KS for core oc

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but ig they prefer 285K for mem oc

true hemlock
opaque wharf
true hemlock
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im so glad i don't rely on x3d chip

opaque wharf
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AMD hardware is still good

true hemlock
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and preferred high core count

opaque wharf
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Just not budget friendly

true hemlock
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amd has the best balance with efficiency btw

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5.2ghz avx512 all 16 core at 179W

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but their power state suck

opaque wharf
true hemlock
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absolutely trash power state

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can't go lower than 30W

opaque wharf
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Did you hit that poor CPU on a regular basis?

true hemlock
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meanwhile my intel

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0.9W

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power state wise is far superior

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but shit efficiency at high load

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because it pulls 270W

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for the 5.2GHz all core

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...on avx2

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:(

true hemlock
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frog hit 800W on her threadripper 3990x

glass jetty
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0.9W neuroD

true hemlock
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i think just recently 920W after we uh, mess around with the OCP a bit

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burst though

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that much through only 2* 8pin eps is 🔥

jagged turtle
true hemlock
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they can handle it fine, just not ideal

true hemlock
opaque wharf
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That's insane thing to do with expensive HW neurOMEGALUL

opaque wharf
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We demand optimized triangle

olive sable
olive sable
opaque wharf
olive sable
ivory plinth
amber fractal
true hemlock
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creature

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000 - 5v
001 - 15v
010 - 5v
011 - 9v
100 - 5v
101 - 20v
110 - 5v
111 - 9v

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i think im dentge

glass jetty
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what a weird

amber fractal
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Currently it seems like I can't do it in raw python because mystical things called errors

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and the other versions seem to disallow the error checking

willow gale
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Have anyone tried both gemma 4 and gpt oss?

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Can you give me some recommendations? The online one always throw me to paid tier (im poor)

amber fractal
olive sable
stark needle
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Gpt oss is old

sage crag
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its not very useful though

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for cheap computations, there are often better ways than using the exponential form of the functions i.e. using polynomials

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theyre accurate and much faster

amber fractal
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Makes sense

sage crag
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analogue circuits can also be used to compute them, so the eml function is a bit useless there too

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plus with things like floating point, exp and log have such huge error margins for certain values

sage crag
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the function is literally exp minus log, why would you want to calculate a huge value and then subtract a tiny value from it if you value accuracy

amber fractal
sage crag
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the composition is actually a flaw rather than a benefit imo

amber fractal
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I can see that as well

sage crag
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its like adding unnessecary polymorphism to a programming project

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you dont need to use this function to calculate other functions in a worse way than just calculating those functions straight up

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for simplicity of implementation sake it could be considered useful i guess

amber fractal
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The only way I could see it being useful is if on the silicon there was exactly this one op for floating point and it just attempts to use as many copies of it via some pipeline

sage crag
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the point of the matter is, exp and ln are nontrivial functions, with exp creating huge values and ln creating small ones, so not only is the computational cost high to do in software but the accuracy is awful

sage crag
amber fractal
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Agreed there

sage crag
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fused ops like fma are useful for improving pipeline efficiency, but i doubt such a huge instruction would be very efficient anyway, it definitely wouldnt be a 1-cycle op

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i can see it being useful in certain asics, but they probably have more specific needs that can be catered to more directly

amber fractal
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I'd say the only way it works is someone is insane enough to all in and bruteforce it being useful. Aka composing all other ops as said eml functions.

sage crag
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its cheaper to just not do that

amber fractal
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But even then, not the most useful

sage crag
amber fractal
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It opens an interesting door only in terms of thought and not much else

opaque sigil
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reminds me of how flash attention uses an approximation of 2^x and ln(2) to compute e^x because just relying on the SFU for it is too slow FOCUS

amber fractal
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I'm not the most invested in it, I just thought it was a interesting idea. But clearly it isn't that easy otherwise it'd already be done

glass jetty
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guys what is possibility that it is lldb fault? i found no any issue, it is single even never repeated, and it is completely inside trt10
logger do literally nothing btw

trim valve
glass jetty
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that is literally it
as narrow as possible
there literally nothing else done with trt before this call, it is first trt call in entire application (only getter cuda calls before)

glass jetty
trim valve
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do you have more context

glass jetty
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no, that all
since it is literally first trt call there no any other context to provide

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i still have it in debugger btw, if some one have other guesses

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fck that was 3 hours already wtf
no way i already spend 3 hours for this

trim valve
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it's a bit inconvenient that there's no symbol names

glass jetty
opaque sigil
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tried with cuda-gdb?

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lldb is kind of useless for cuda libraries

trim valve
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my only guess is that somehow your logger is messed up

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but I don't touch cuda much neuroBread

glass jetty
# opaque sigil tried with cuda-gdb?

i not doing cuda code, i only use what libs already provide
most low lvl is just memory reordering, only task for gpu here i neural network so
there 0 cuda code and i prob can compile app without any cuda binary in path

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that is cursed
that absolutely random 0x0 address

trim valve
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doesn't tensorrt require cuda to build

opaque sigil
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you don't build tensorrt

glass jetty
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build what, it may be require some binary but prob that should be only .so lib

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all cuda, cudnn and trt goes already compiled obviously

opaque sigil
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and you're 100% certain that the logger is the problem?

glass jetty
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in that case it would show trace to not only logger overridden function but also qt inner and custom handler

opaque sigil
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surely they wouldn't send you a nullptr message right Clueless

trim valve
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I mean a nullptr message should be valid

opaque sigil
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idk how qt handles that

trim valve
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wait no

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lack of brain is hitting

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a null pointer message isn't valid, I'm stupid

opaque sigil
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the only other thing i could think is that somehow the logger reference gets invalidated by something by the time it's trying to be used but surely that can't be happening right

trim valve
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what does your logger implementation look like

glass jetty
glass jetty
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so only field in logger is vtable ptr

sage crag
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wrrr

tender river
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wrrrr

trim valve
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because at the very least, a printf("log called") might be a good idea at the start of the log function

glass jetty
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so i may want to try look at what i linking now

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btw idk what have changed but not error is even more ridiculous

lament igloo
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wait a minute... 👀 this layout looks familiar

kind nimbus
glass jetty
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guys that how my reset looks like
and somehow only reason i see why it breaks is model being swapped
it is only cause, cuz init apparently called for every single slot controller receive, just cuz there will always be error about no such file
but changing model so fast can cause errors inside trt
just weird fuck idk guys that shit is cursed
it is only way i see it happens
i can show test case that cause that (since previously there was no way to swap file naturally cuz i used run() function instead of object-in-thread, so i had to wait for last model to generate, now it happens automatically just because signal which trigger model name change can happen only inside thread that either idle, or already run model, gen or inference
literally only reason i see is swapping name too fast
but i have no idea how it would cause memory errors
and btw no its not threads issue with race on model name

olive sable
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Im on boat

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🛥️

glass jetty
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test case that cause error
open model operate in special mode that allow from code change instead of messing with DE native window
remove here additional two clicks and there no error
-# (actually there error but not trt error, just wrong old test condition)
I GOING FUCKING INSANE

glass jetty
glass jetty
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bullshit
i found an issue
but that bullshit
some check in completely different thread btw
it cause exit.c and therefore error in different thread
that fucking awful, i debugged that for entire day
any with all other cout noise i just havent noticed this cout for this whole time
just figured out that it is weird one, removed all other couts i added temporarily, and searched for cout/cerr in entire app
only then i found this one
that is fucking awful
that is complete shit
I HATE DEBUGGING

    std::cout << __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ <<std::endl; \
    std::exit(1)```

-> 284 if (not QFile(filename).exists()) { testing_abort(); return; }

vague sonnet
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nowadays I only really debug because someone else's code doesn't do what it says it does

sage crag
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it doe

glass jetty
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i indeed use it

sage crag
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ud2

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terminated by SIGILL

glass jetty
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i mean that "abort" was written long ago, i forgot it is exit and not common abort

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nvm

rare bramble
nocturne olive
glass jetty
nocturne olive
vague sonnet
glass jetty
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this line is 2 years old looking at git

rigid snow
tender river
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buy more ram

olive sable
glass jetty
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6 magnitude amount of ram

silent cloak
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Download more ram

alpine cloud
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oops.

upper igloo
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This now works only with play money instead and everyone is given 500 nEuros to click stuff 1neuro
Also no need in any wallet extensions, no need for email too (when signing in click "Guest").

My last update as there's no interest, onto my CV as a pet-project it goes neurojuice

https://reyvon.gay/

stark needle
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Bro there's no way

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At my new job

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Literally the entire source code is dumped into the root folder

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I'm not even kidding i could share my screen in fucking video call😭 😭

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They use folders just for extra artifacts that isn't code like configs or images or other data

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Maintainability is gonna be so friggin ass

stark needle
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I found out why

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I stalked linkedin

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Seems like the main current maintainer had 0 experience or education in computer science

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She has a masters but in linguistics

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And somehow then got software engineer job

rough bloom
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linguistics AINTNEURWAY

stark needle
rough bloom
stark needle
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Also the other new hire was doing something and i was like ??????

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He was trying to ssh into the prod db server and set it up as a vscode workspace via ssh

nocturne olive
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That seems very stupid

stark needle
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Trying to launch a vscode server on a prod server

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Cause he said he did it at his previous company

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I literally must be dreaming

rough bloom
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worst possible server to do that with

stark needle
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There's no way this is real

stark needle
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The entire infra is living by hopes and dreams

rough bloom
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at least if it was some random app server with nothing saved locally it'll probably get obliterated as part of some big upgrade anyway

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but the DB lives forever, now with that guys VS Code setup neurOMEGALUL

stark needle
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The 10 year legal data retention server is living on fucking hostinger ssd with no backup

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It's literally a dump of zip filed csvs

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Via FTP

rough bloom
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that seems... somewhat reasonable at least
other than the no backup part

rough bloom
stark needle
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????

rough bloom
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no

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you could, but the main advantage of cold storage is lower cost, if you're willing to pay for it to stay on an SSD then whatever neurolingSlep

stark needle
rough bloom
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ideally you'd have some proper archival system but if not then I think putting things on some random host and not letting anyone touch it is reasonable

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if it had backups, that is neurOMEGALUL

stark needle
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U can literally ssh into it from anywhere

rough bloom
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see

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now that

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is bad

stark needle
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And the password is stored in a shared teams chat

rough bloom
stark needle
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I don't know wtf this company is doing fr

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This literally can't be happening

rough bloom
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I'm happy that my workplace usually doesn't do bs like that

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acquisitions are a different story though neurOMEGALUL

sage crag
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cheese.toastie

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cheesi

rough bloom
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koniitoast

sage crag
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recognised from

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username font

rough bloom
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distinguished

sage crag
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and poghd usage

tender river
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i have

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fonts disabled

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double disabled

rough bloom
sage crag
tender river
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i know neuro3

stark needle
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Toast

rough bloom
olive sable
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Toast

bitter phoenix
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It said on a sign to ping you

sage crag
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NOT toast

olive sable
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Toast?

opaque sigil
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you called? enub

olive sable
mighty thorn
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Wonder if I can run a model on my 1928 adding machine

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Wait

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I can’t help but notice

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I feel as though something is amiss here

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If I didn’t know any better

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I’d say a majority of recent chatters had been converted into a heated crunchy bread product

tender river
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what are you talking about

warped narwhal
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Clearly they're having a mass delusion

faint sandal
vague sonnet
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good thing you are not forced to use gnome and can switch to normal UI

patent shard
kind nimbus
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KDE masterrace

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fim_suffix

azure lynx
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1si1y5lvkk This is awesome. How to make HTTPS not secure. (Do a packet capture of https://tom7.org/ to see it in action. See that it says "Connection is secure". ]

In this pre-paid self-own, I study security vulnerability through the lens of self-flagellation. I go through a lot of trouble to make life worse for me and my antediluvian website's users (AS USUAL).

Get it or try it:
https://tom7.org/httpv/

Or read the 25-page (!) SIGBOVIK 2026 paper: https://tom7.org/httpv/httpv.pdf

Keywords: https, tls 1....

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vague sonnet
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I'm not a linux user but considering it for my next pc
and I've been mostly recommended kde

faint sandal
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I mean gnome is technically usable

vague sonnet
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idk I don't like gnome

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got to use it at work and uni but it's bleh

olive sable
olive sable
fickle rain
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Gippity is manly and looks at stolen code?

fickle rain
sage crag
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(minor exaggeration)

faint sandal
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banana bread is technically not toast

sage crag
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azaka is technically not toast either

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but you dont see anyone complaining about it (right now)

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(you will later) (its how they operate)

faint sandal
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that's right I do not wish to be toast

sage crag
faint sandal
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I will eat them instead

sage crag
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no azaka foodpost for a long time

faint sandal
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because they're posted in general

sage crag
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ohisee

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this is #baking but cooking and restaurant meals are also welcome

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just dont post like, a plate of half eaten toast

faint sandal
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what about buns

sage crag
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unrelated

vague sonnet
faint sandal
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bun

vague sonnet
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bnu

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oh I'm toast so people don't see I'm rabbit

faint sandal
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yes

vague sonnet
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might be time for pfp change

warped narwhal
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Do you guys dip your ram into a drink before having it? Or do you have them dry?

fiery anchor
shrewd cloak
# warped narwhal

FOCUS give it to me before you dip and i will give two cookies for one stick

wispy pike
maiden geyser
opaque wharf
fast pagoda
opaque wharf
vague sonnet
opaque wharf
warped narwhal
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You don't handwash your toast before eating?

vague sonnet
vague sonnet
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oh fuck I forgot to buy fish
was gonna make some fish and chips this friday

wispy pike
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how dumb is that cook oml

olive sable
fiery canopy
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I had the random instinct to rewrite a very ineffeicent back end service in one of my apps in Go

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Will I regret this decision in future , hopefully not, am I fucking my sleep schedule more , defiantly

opaque wharf
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From what language tho?

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TypeScript? Then probably not regret it that much since MS is also doing that

fiery canopy
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Typescript [idk if this was a good decision but I made it]

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gg

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Bro guessed

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I wrote it in typescript then about a month later am regretting it after seeing the usage

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I also just realised I meant to go hunt down my phone like 30 minutes ago but got sidetracked

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its so jover

opaque sigil
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I should use go more but it's so boring neurolingSlep

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which is a good thing but still

fiery canopy
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and partially cas I lowk forgot abt it for a solid while

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dont even ask me how idrk, then I was like how tf am igonna fix this then I was like oh wait I just write it in go, that owuld make alot more sense

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I also found my phone

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finally

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It had somehow eneded up under the middle of my bed I am still unsure of how that happened

fiery canopy
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ehh

rigid snow
fiery canopy
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tbf it is

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its called laziness

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lol

rigid snow
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i mean if you're gonna rewrite regardless sure, do in a different lang

fiery canopy
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that was the plan

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figured Go would probably be a better option

rigid snow
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riir

sick owl
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That makes it more or less a vending machine for zero days

warped narwhal
sick owl
opaque wharf
tulip cargo
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Y'all! I wanna make a video game, so I can study for my NREMT is a new way! 😄

opaque wharf
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Plus it is indeed an improvement but not the watershed moment that they hype it up

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To expect one successful outcome you’d need 3-4 runs on average – and each run is likely comparable in time to the Opus 4.6 runs.

That’s approximately $2,900-3,500 per successful outcome.

A human expert completing the same range: 14 hours, once, reliably. At $125-190 per hour (UK rates) that’s $1,750-2,625.

Meaning you're better off hiring people and buying exploits like every government has been doing

sick owl
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You don't need to be a government, and you don't need to be accountable to anyone if you have an LLM with those capabilities

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And the classic saying of "this is the worst it will ever be" feels more relevant than ever

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Even open weight releases will catch up with this in time

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Sure it might not be a financial improvement, but its accountability and not cost that makes this significant

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This is of course also probably the most expensive this level of capability will ever be

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Its also very good at picking out exploits humans miss, that Linux privilege escalation zero day was like 27 years old

lucid forum
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I'm not sure where else to go with this, I'm looking for anyone who's familiar with complex information systems or HCI as it relates to alignments. I'm not knowledgeable and I could really use some help figuring out what I'm calling an anti meme.

warped narwhal
glass flower
warped narwhal
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Doesn't that mean that every exploit is a zero day?

lapis swan
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I am currently making an AI

glass flower
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shrug thats atleast how i would describe it. zero days are usually old bugs that have never been found

lapis swan
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hypothetically, is there a way for me to make three mobs in minecraft to become truly sentient without LLM but with Javascript/node.js and make them able to read the chat?

Something like Neuro-sama?

glass flower
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normally since the first release of a program

sick owl
sick owl
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The "zero day" moniker refers to there being "zero days" left for the vendor to put out a fix

lapis swan
jagged turtle
lapis swan
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oh

jagged turtle
lapis swan
jagged turtle
warped narwhal
lapis swan
sick owl
jagged turtle
sick owl
lapis swan
jagged turtle
lapis swan
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you didnt let me finish

jagged turtle
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the answer was always gonna be no anyways

lapis swan
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Okay but atleast let me finish

fleet torrent
lapis swan
jagged turtle
warped narwhal
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"hey can you guys just do half of my project for me for free"

sick owl
lapis swan
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the AI is meant to be a personalized AI

jagged turtle
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but yeah maybe not the "best"

lapis swan
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One that studies human phsyce to change the said game or behavior

sick owl
warped narwhal
jagged turtle
warped narwhal
sick owl
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Sovl

warped narwhal
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I mean, I suppose a model that spews random garbage could be considered some kind of soul

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But I'd just call that a very inefficient random number generator

jagged turtle
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basically yeah

coarse holly
summer swallow
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Hey i was wondering if someone knows what TTS programm Vedal uses or has he created his own?

glad path
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evil's is more complicated than that

summer swallow
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so was wondering if there is a better option

tropic spindle
glass flower
jagged turtle
glass flower
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have you heard microsoft's tts? LULE its not even close to as good as neuro

summer swallow
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how the helli do u create a local tts tho...

leaden crest
jagged turtle
glass flower
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there are a bunch of tts that can be used

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nowadays llm based too

summer swallow
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tbh im kinda dumb for not even searching up anything about local tts :/ thanks 😅

leaden crest
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if it’s your first tts

summer swallow
glad path
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"# PyGame is a team management system designed to extract data from a large text file and save it as a JSON object"
- deepseek-r1:8b, completely unprompted

glass flower
summer swallow
glad path
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i toldit to monologue about lua, back in august

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and it didn't stop

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and degraded to madness

jagged turtle
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Man, Pygame is so heavy for a glorified data extractor library

glad path
jagged turtle
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neuroLookUp what am I reading

glad path
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madness

amber fractal
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Dent

glad path
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"I need to write a code snippet of 1088-bit floating point number"

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this is my favorite quote

amber fractal
glad path
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what's a 2018 Forda shortstory

amber fractal
jagged turtle
dull egret
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I don't have the energy, rn, to come up with a sarcastic enough comment, that is any form of concise, so I'll just drop a TL;DR:

Not that surprised.

fleet torrent
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how do i kill john connor?

amber fractal
summer swallow
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uhm does anyone know how Vedal managed to make Neuro and Evil so "realistic" i highly assume he uses an ai like llama or gemma right? or did he somehow make his own?

prime ridge
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wdym

leaden crest
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wheres the chart thing

summer swallow
# prime ridge wdym

They dont sound like AI. They ask random stuff they learn they sound more "human" if that makes sense.

leaden crest
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they were trained on more human sounding data simple

wispy pike
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I can tell they are AIs though from how they talk...

leaden crest
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gemini claude etc can sound human but it’s a corporate decision to be more neutrally sounding

summer swallow
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that.. actually would make sense

leaden crest
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search up character ai

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or smth like that

prime ridge
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ah hell nah

leaden crest
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other ones exist but theyre mostly filtered bait

summer swallow
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Do yall know if u can "train" any ai or only specific ones?

prime ridge
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what do you mean

leaden crest
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wheres the CHAARTT

summer swallow
prime ridge
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Any neural network can be trained

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In the context of what you are talking about, it's called "fine tuning"

summer swallow
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huh Thanks a lot man il look into it 👍

leaden crest
summer swallow
rigid snow
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pinned

summer swallow
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damn

prime ridge
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The technology itself is extremely simple, the hard part is the human element of designing things to be cohesive enough to be interesting

rigid snow
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tell your gpu how simple it is

prime ridge
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Not how VLM vision works lmao

rigid snow
prime ridge
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Even high school students can multiply matricies

rigid snow
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i'm joking around

prime ridge
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who isn't 🧠💡

leaden crest
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big fan

prime ridge
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Yeah lol

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Thanks ❤️

leaden crest
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was looking into that because ↗️ reason

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really cool

prime ridge
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Yeah thanks! It's a very enjoyable project to work on

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I gotta get the website up soon for people to help collect data

leaden crest
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NeurOhISee always data with these dang ais neuroPray

prime ridge
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It'd be really cool if Vedal looked in the K0NTR0L chat because he could implement some of those methods to improve 3d

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Everytime I watch the stream I am SCREEMING to myself because I know how to fix it to be more natural. Although... it is very funny to see them make nonsensical movements

leaden crest
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im sure he’s lurked at least once

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I think he said he likes the jank on 3d

prime ridge
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Yeah

rancid ore
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do you know why this happens

leaden crest
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whatever that means 🤷‍♂️

prime ridge
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Thing is, I can reduce L*tency too

wispy pike
rancid ore
summer swallow
summer swallow
prime ridge
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Bro 😭

summer swallow
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i have a hole setup already

wispy pike
summer swallow
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its just the personality thats kinda... ruff on the edges lmao

prime ridge
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You won't be able to easily finetune an LLM without knowing programming

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Def a skill worth learning

summer swallow
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im working on it... lets just say py wasnt on the list yet

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Dont worry about the coding i got that

prime ridge
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You will hate ur life if u try vibe coding it

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Do not do this to yourself 😂

summer swallow
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i know some people :D

summer swallow
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not even close

prime ridge
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Then learn programming lol

summer swallow
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I work at IT so its in training :)

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i just need to know how i can "teach" the ai. The way i imgain it is making it read thro a crap ton of conversations but i feel like im wrong arent i?

leaden crest
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ais arent really taught anything they’re all just good at probability

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more data better probability (not necessarily)

rancid ore
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they'll also take any and all shortcuts they possibly can

summer swallow
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Makes sense

leaden crest
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better data is better than more data

summer swallow
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But how do i feed them the data 🙃

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Do i have to manually paste conversations to it or can i "automate" it

prime ridge
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I know the answer but you won't like it. It's not easy

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I worry I will only mislead you

leaden crest
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is your answer lora my answer was lora

summer swallow
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uuh

leaden crest
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you really should learn python before you fiddle with any packages though

jagged turtle
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you should learn programming before touching any packages

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like, all the basics with modular programming

prime ridge
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LoRA/Q-lora yeah. You can use unsloth to automate it a little better. q-lora is better than standard LoRA because 8-bit weight and a sufficiently large rank will consume a good deal of VRAM

summer swallow
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i got plenty... maybe

prime ridge
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💀

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No you don't

leaden crest
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a neuro clone really shouldnt be your first project

summer swallow
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luckily i upgraded from my 4060ti 8g lol

prime ridge
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You are gunna need a 5090 or enterprise

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unless you use like a 1b parameter model lol

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which isn't going to be very good

leaden crest
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my 4090 trains 8b just fine

summer swallow
prime ridge
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that's pretty nice

summer swallow
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:)

prime ridge
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probably enough for a small model. That being said, as KTrain said. It might not be a good idea to do this as your first project

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you might get more discouraged

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and confused

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starting small builds more confidence

leaden crest
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not to mention the ai hallucinations

summer swallow
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Im a quick learner :) trust me

prime ridge
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I'm all for full sending it... but this stuff requires a lotta background knowledge

leaden crest
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“quick learner” should justify learning programming more no?

prime ridge
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^^^^

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Basic scripting isn't even too hard to learn tbh

summer swallow
prime ridge
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I highly suggest learning it

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Not only will it help with LLM projects but also a great skill period

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Even though it's less "exciting", it's good to have a solid foundation

summer swallow
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I mean i can reat py i just dont write it. i man html css and js so i have a good understanding of what does what
I can read it but cant write it. that makes sense right?

amber fractal
prime ridge
prime ridge
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bs=1

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pretrained 💀

amber fractal
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I think it was batch 256, the vram optimization strategies went crazy

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But also slow

prime ridge
amber fractal
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Nowaying echo

prime ridge
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💀

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The voices!!!!

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1+1=1 :pepe_nocomment:

leaden crest
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9+10=21 computation

prime ridge
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kinda real

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🧠💡

amber fractal
amber fractal
prime ridge
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A lotta chatters may as well be llms lol

amber fractal
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My man was more stupid than an llm

prime ridge
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a 10m parameter llm 💡

leaden crest
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ITS EVEN FUNNIER THE THIRD TIME ITS EVEN FUNNIER THE FOURTH TIME ITS EVEN FUNNIER THE FIFTH TIME ITS EVEN FUNNIER THE SIXTH TIME ITS EVEN FUNNIER THE SEVENTH TIME ITS EVEN FUNNIER THE NINTH TIME

amber fractal
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Sometimes

leaden crest
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an llm who generates all the time has nothing to think but hallucinations

prime ridge
prime ridge
leaden crest
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ik it’s a spinoff of that one meme

prime ridge
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pure hallucinations

amber fractal
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Where is the gender calculus post I need to grab my laptop to properly search chat history

leaden crest
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what FOCUS

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I need to see that once you find it

amber fractal
leaden crest
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I was too focused on getting intentionally stabbed

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mb

amber fractal
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Makes sense

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Gotta farm

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If I wasn't dead I would have unloaded until that man was harpooned

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mr beast scam inbound, chatter got hacked

prime ridge
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breh

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Also, I got my hands on a robotic dog

amber fractal
prime ridge
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so I could lowkey do sum Neuro stuff with it

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NeuroDog 2.0 😭

leaden crest
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neuro7 to the ellie ver

amber fractal
leaden crest
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what the

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hell

amber fractal
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this went on for 4 hours

leaden crest
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I dont trust those random capitalizations

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either they’re being intentionally sarcastic or its part of the neuro arg

amber fractal
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True

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in: programming from:braintemple for your own search

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let me find the 2+2 post

prime ridge
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I was just reading a paper yesterday about using purely monad algebra homomorphisms instead of Geometric representations

amber fractal
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that is defently not this

prime ridge
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no yeah ik

leaden crest
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too smart what neuroAware

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dumb it down

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pls

prime ridge
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Too dumb to dumb it down

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I don't understand it well enough to explain it lol

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It was a very short paper too

leaden crest
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maybe they dont understand it either neurOMEGALUL

prime ridge
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Well it was a position paper

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which means they didn't prove anything

amber fractal
prime ridge
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they just states their opinion

leaden crest
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math paper without proof?.?

prime ridge
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yeah it's a position paper

leaden crest
silent cloak
prime ridge
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It says "Our opinion is"

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they never claimed anything

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so they don't need proof

leaden crest
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like a… conjectureeee…?

prime ridge
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it was just an idea

leaden crest
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not even a conjecture

prime ridge
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not even

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Literally an opinion

leaden crest
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what is this philosophy major 💔 💔 💔

silent cloak
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If researchers wanted to hear opinions they would just make Twitter accounts

amber fractal
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my position paper is that NNv5 is real and is not a figment of my imagination

prime ridge
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They just guessed that using monads would be a more interesting and useful way to understand deep learning compared to geometric manifolds

prime ridge
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I don't know if I agree or not really

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Funny to see catagory theory applied to DL

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"1.1. Our Opinion"

silent cloak
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Its up there with the old 11D hypercube for AI models paper

leaden crest
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on a math paper

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its so neurover

prime ridge
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There are barely any references in that paper

silent cloak
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Ai generated

leaden crest
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oh whoops ur right nvm

prime ridge
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Not AI 😭

amber fractal
leaden crest
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I looked at page 9 and didnt scroll down lol

prime ridge
leaden crest
amber fractal
prime ridge
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Ah hell nah

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🪦

silent cloak
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Math proof to show its always his birthday

amber fractal
real sierra
prime ridge
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Sorry to disappoint

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it's an opinion paper

amber fractal
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mabe for entertainment

prime ridge
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kinda funny tho

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if u find monads "funny"

real sierra
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oh god

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monads

silent cloak
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Transformer based ANNs innovation challenge impossible

real sierra
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i knew someone who would preach monads

prime ridge
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Woah woah woah. Dw we aren't that cringe

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nobody here is glazing FP

amber fractal
prime ridge
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Procedural programming only 💡

silent cloak
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Event/signal based models are the future

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No FP

prime ridge
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We only code in assembly

rigid snow
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i only code in llm prompts

silent cloak
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Which assembly

prime ridge
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6502

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🤤 🤤

silent cloak
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Damn the museum called

prime ridge
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I really enjoy 6502 assembly

silent cloak
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It wants its exhibit back

prime ridge
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less bloat

rigid snow
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aint that the

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nes arch

prime ridge
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8 bit is nice cuz then you never need to confuse a word and a byte 💡💡

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yeah

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RICOH 8 bit cpu

silent cloak
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U can build those in Minecraft now

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Very easily

prime ridge
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I mean yeah cuz the assembly is pretty intuitive

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only what you need

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10/10 ISA

silent cloak
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8bit ALU used to be the limit back in beta

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But we have surpassed that now

prime ridge
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128 bit adder 🤨

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I played a lil with armv7 assembly too

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kinda cool

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anything but x86_64 despair

silent cloak
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Write bare metal

leaden crest
# silent cloak Math proof to show its always his birthday

@real sierra’s birthday is known to be some day this year
there are up to 366 possible birth days in a given year
shiro is a person online and thus he could be lying about his true birthday
we use 366 iterations of shiro assigned to a different day of the year
and by the pigeonhole principle at least one of those must be correct, where the pigeon is the true birthday and the holes are the days

alternatively going off the assumption that shiro could be lying about his birthday
say that in a given year there is a 1/n chance that we correctly guess his true birthday
by wishing him a happy birthday every day of the n day year, we will have an expected value for the correct number of birthdays as 1

holdup im cooking more

prime ridge
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holy drop

prime ridge
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References, lemmas, results, methods? Not seeing those sections buddy

rancid ore
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it was his birthday a few days ago

amber fractal
rancid ore
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like actually

prime ridge
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Latex formulas only

prime ridge
silent cloak
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If its his birthday everyday does that mean he just has one big birthday or multiple smaller ones?

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If so when does one end and the next start?

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Does it depend on timezones?

prime ridge
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Well his birthday isn't everyday, it's just today

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xdx

silent cloak
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So its constantly in the present

prime ridge
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the present is always the present

silent cloak
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thats why he wants gifts

prime ridge
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‼️

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well he already has the present

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because the present is his birthday

silent cloak
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Wait a second that was his birthday gift

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He wasnt given a present he was given the present

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So his birthday is always

prime ridge
#

but note lemma 1.1:

present is the present for all real numbers

leaden crest
# leaden crest <@196063748354473984>’s birthday is known to be some day this year there are up ...

let the set we use for birthday be called \mathbb{B} = {0, 1, 2, … 365}

let today be day t \in \mathbb{B}

the sequence
t, t+1, t+2, …, t+365 \pmod{366} will include every day once

let b equal his true birthday
the sequence
t-b, t-b+1, t-b+2, …, t-b+365 \pmod{365}

will also cover every day once

by the pigeonhole principle if we choose one birthday b to be is birthday b \in \mathbb{B} then exactly one value in the sequence will be 0 \pmod{366} , regardless of whether it is in front or behind. Every value in each sequence is unique, so we are again guaranteed to hit shiro’s birthday once if we choose 366 pigeons into 366 holes where each pigeon occupies one hole

leaden crest
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calculus version incoming

silent cloak
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LaTex my beloathed

prime ridge
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well LaTex can only be as good as the notation math uses

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which is kinda...

silent cloak
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For math and research i do prefer it over word or the others

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Mostly due to formatting options

prime ridge
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Whiteboard clears obviously

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unfair comparison tho

silent cloak
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I think i learned it originally back in a linear algebra class in uni

prime ridge
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ah yes, great times