programming

[nocturne olive]

And also way more expensive than just a 13900K, a motherboard and 128GB (normal priced) RAM

[stark needle]

but a 13900k pulls idk how many watts and a whole pc is huge and loud

[nocturne olive]

got a 13900 to pull about 2W

[stark needle]

yea but not at 100% load

[nocturne olive]

Pretty sure that was 100% of the tuned load

2-3W or something

[stark needle]

u can absolutely make a cpu run at 2 watt in extreme idle setup which is already huge cause they usually use 20-50w

[nocturne olive]

Either way ARM is not inherently more efficient than X86

[stark needle]

yea but also then u get 256gb/s ram bandwidth

which may be trash for a gpu but is god tier on a cpu

closest thing is having a 2u rack server running an epyc genoa with 8 channels

or a intel sapphire rapids

ideally apple M5 Max would compete as well but u cant run linux properly really on apple

[nocturne olive]

Really you'd only need quad or hexa channel DDR5 to match or exceed 256GB/s

[stark needle]

on a ddr5 4800 setup (whats realistically gonna run at that ram size unless u have a god tier server motherboard), it gives 38.4gb/s per channel in ddr5. to reach 256gb/s u need 7 channels but that doesn't exist so effectively 8 channels

[nocturne olive]

Eh, when each channel is on its own memory channel 6000 per channel is totally doable

[stark needle]

yes but reaching 128gb ram with that is hard

lemme see what emerald rapids runs on

ok emerald rapids runs on ddr5-5600 but this is on their best possible server tier

[warped narwhal]

become toast

[stark needle]

this is already xeon platinum tier

dual socket

https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/system/hyper/2u/sys-221h-tnr

base entry level config with basically nothing on it starts at 5600$/node on some stores

[leaden crest]

we’re going to make a “toast” to your birthday

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

wtf

i'm getting 6gbit downlink 2gbit uplink on dgx spark

insane network

[olive sable]

satisfactory 180fps, but lethal company 50fps

only 10% gpu usage, so something is being a bottleneck

im geussing the mods are just bad for performance

[warped narwhal]

unity also not being the best with threads is probably also a reason

UE5 (whilst still not fully threaded) can still use far more than unity can

[kind nimbus]

Linux Kernel 7.0 released

[opaque sigil]

[kind nimbus]

Kernel.org Not updated yet

Check git

https://github.com/torvalds/linux/releases/tag/v7.0

[opaque sigil]

[obsidian mantle]

torvalds linux

[sick owl]

I accidentally put a 12vhpwr cable through the tumbledryer

Surely this qualifies for warranty

[olive sable]

lethal company made my entire pc crash this time

i think i just tripped the psu. maybe OC to 200W on cpu was too much for an rm750x

[opaque sigil]

doubt that, i'd expect the cpu to give in first

[olive sable]

i dont think it has to hit 200W for it to hit OCP even

the 7900xtx can have some pretty high spikes from what i read

[stark needle]

@olive sable hi toast

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

So sad

died off

😭

[olive sable]

[kind nimbus]

It's already a fire hazard. Can't possibly make it any worse.

[olive sable]

[wispy pike]

sup @olive sable

[olive sable]

Hi

[wispy pike]

I'm still wearing cyan

[olive sable]

I see

[wispy pike]

anyway I'm having trouble thinking of how to go about making design diagrams and stuff

not why I pinged you btw just wanted to greet you

because of all the poons in my face from last time

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-hook-gif-15276887

[olive sable]

I see

[warped narwhal]

can't go wrong with some good old UML

you may hate every second of working with it

but it'll get the point across

[tender river]

2/10 overengineered, technically open world but whats the point if most of it is all the same

[wispy pike]

god it's been so fucking long since I used uml

[olive sable]

This reads like a review for starfield

[kind nimbus]

Vedal987 Netflix adaptation when?

[olive sable]

This is the netflix adaptation

[kind nimbus]

Didn't know i could already watch it on netflix

[rare bridge]

WHAT

how tf did keyscan do this

[trim valve]

do what exactly

[rare bridge]

that's meant to be a known_hosts entry

it's not meant to be spaced out like that

[trim valve]

I've seen stuff like that happen before when mixing encodings

[glad path]

neuro arg ahh

[olive sable]

tested cinebench 2026

[olive sable]

wow indeed

[tender river]

[olive sable]

[queen ginkgo]

sorry guys Neuro took over for a second

[amber fractal]

Hello

[kind nimbus]

Neuro wouldn't buy 32GB of ram. She would go directly with at least 128gb or 256gb ram.

[tulip cargo]

Anyone else here use nushell? I'm enjoying what I'm learning so far 😄

[kind nimbus]

I'm staying with zsh + starship for now

[tulip cargo]

Oooo, good combo :3

[proven merlin]

Yeah, missinformation. We were talking about AI Poisoning, which afaik, starts with missinformation.

[kind nimbus]

yea i like it a lot

here is what my current shell prompt looks like

[tulip cargo]

Niiice! Aside from official docs, any other suggestions on where to learn about how to navigate it?

[kind nimbus]

navigate?

[tulip cargo]

Sorry, poor word choice. Alternative learning resources 🙂

[kind nimbus]

apart from official docs i usually just ask Claude Opus or search github how other people configured it.

Github Code search with search filter for Nix language usually saves the day lol.

[tulip cargo]

So the Nix language and Nushell are similar? Also, thanks for the tips 😄

[kind nimbus]

No but nix and home-manager modules are often poorly documented which then ends in long and deep source code search to figure out the correct options

Just searching other people's code is faster

[tulip cargo]

Ah, gotcha and yeah, I wish Nix and home-manager had more efficient documentation

[kind nimbus]

i never used Nushell but the docs seem to be here:
https://www.nushell.sh/book/configuration.html

also this is a thing:
https://home-manager-options.extranix.com/?query=programs.nushell.settings&release=release-25.11

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

okay glm 5.1 actually seems kind of nice
it's the first model i've tried that doesn't need to be constantly nudged and doesn't use bash for everything

[olive sable]

Everytime i see toast type, its a gamble whether its the real one

[opaque sigil]

how do you think i feel

[olive sable]

At least i put the litle 🔺 after it

[opaque sigil]

[mighty thorn]

I wish ai was real

[leaden crest]

how do you think I feel

everytoast join in

[blissful geyser]

I got an idea for innovating CPU Fan Controls

[raven tapir]

I can feel my pc speeding up, or maybe thats me getting a migrain. Anyways, good job

[proven merlin]

The low light oled curse strikes once again

I couldnt see anything until i ramped up the brighness- and neat-

[opaque wharf]

So you guys know already that this place is the land of cursed idea

It turns out wordpress can be used for basic Enterprise Resource Planning software

[olive sable]

What?

Hold on i need to google what wordpress is

I dont get it

[amber fractal]

Oh geez that sounds cursed

[proven merlin]

Surely better than excel

[opaque wharf]

Oh it is 100% better than 1GB excel file that somehow people managed to get a GUI complete with button and all that jazz

[opaque sigil]

tfw you move your program from the busy desktop 5070 ti to the idle server rtx pro 6000 and it's slower on the latter one

idk how that's even possible but that's a problem for future me

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

Real ai slop😭

[opaque wharf]

You must've really hated that guy

[opaque sigil]

the hate goes both ways don't worry

might be a driver issue

[silent cloak]

99% cache miss rate

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

might be it true, I'll do some profiling tomorrow to see

[silent cloak]

if all else fails recompile it on the machine

see what magic happens

[proven merlin]

I mean to be fair, you could go the extra mile, and run propper business software on the excel riscv emulator that exists..

Idk if thats cursed or based at that point

Stupid probably

[opaque wharf]

The magic that it suddenly stops working at all

[opaque wharf]

Naah, that's just mental illness

[opaque sigil]

this is the same server that already had one of the two gpus die so who knows

I'd rather not the other one die too

[silent cloak]

imagine

still have a modded 980 TI running for the past 10+ years in one of my servers

[opaque wharf]

But this is an actual excel file that I've encountered. It was used for a school and given out to the teacher to help manage student scores and all that up until the report card is made

The first time I opened it I saw soooo many worksheets at the bottom. The top always have the navigation "menu" by utilizing hyperlink and then styling the cell to looks like a button

All in all, 10/10 cursedness

[silent cloak]

reminder of the excel game engine

[stark needle]

hello toast

[olive sable]

Hello non-toast

[vague sonnet]

hello toast, toast and toast

[glass jetty]

hello toast, toast, toast, toast, toast, toast, toast, toast, toast! ah an non-toasts too

[jagged turtle]

Uh... toast?

[opaque wharf]

Yes?

[olive sable]

Yes?

[amber fractal]

[jagged turtle]

Uhm

insert spiderman meme here

[amber fractal]

None of them are real

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

Wait a minute

It gets worse the more you research it

[opaque wharf]

It has not been a minute yet

Okay, it has been a minute now

[olive sable]

Rinkoro exposed themselves

[glass jetty]

what did you found

[olive sable]

Of you look at the name of the sticker

Nutaku is the world's leading site for adult gaming

[glass jetty]

oh when i just placed on search it gave me normal pictures

cuz search moderate

[olive sable]

[glass jetty]

-# issue that i watched pictures only and not any sites

exposed

idk, only adult game i played was lona rpg, and that was not bad rpg tbh
tho it is really unfinished, main(whatever name start with S) city full of 'WIP' and not finished

[olive sable]

Now you are exposing yourself

So a´yways

[glass jetty]

yeah i kind of not care

[olive sable]

Topic change

[glass jetty]

like what is point of рorn games

[olive sable]

Okay

Rule 4

New topic

[glass jetty]

what topic?

i debugging test and that kind of boring

like i wrote it a year ago and it just outdated completely

[olive sable]

I dont even made debugging tests

If it breaks i will see it breaking

[glass jetty]

yeah but i kind of want to leave russia

i want to keep stuff as stable as possible, and this test will show how it should behave for others

who will come after me

[olive sable]

[glass jetty]

that why i kind of left it for a year+ unchanged completely

i forgot what structure i was using

and than i will have to write unit tests for second generation

but i prob will not write general test that interconnect with main code by using macros like for first generation

cuz that awful to be fair
second generation after my complete rewrite can be covered by unit tests properly, so i guess it is it

[high brook]

guys y'all want to se yje lasiest patern check i've ever written?

[glass jetty]

and stuff that do general control is only 4 singletones each single task, and one main class called initter that do settings registration, threads affinity and other init stuff, so only things outside {unit_tests and JUST READ CODE} are core logic, and all of the core logic is straight forward and i just drawn some drawio diagrams and done
but unit tests are still required i think

[high brook]

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        ",rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest,",
        ",rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest rest,"
    ]```

i am lazy

[glass jetty]

like wtf is it to be fair

[true hemlock]

also a mere techbro dudes genuinely tech illiterate hardware wise

[glass jetty]

idk what it supposed to be but it is awful

[high brook]

A raw test string check

text*

Ideally that should cover it

but i though 6 would also. i was wrong lmao

[true hemlock]

utilization percentage is more of activity at given timeframe rather than real utilization because the way its measured is sorta ass and we don't have a real way to do it

[kind nimbus]

by now i have already migrated my most important self hosted services from Proxmox to my new FreeBSD install

[glass jetty]

imagine using
"qwedfyhaqfjhqef",
"qwdeqwdqawd",

instead of
, "qweqweqwe"
, "qwqwdqwf"

for long seq

[true hemlock]

what i like to do instead is comparing power draw with "rated" tdp and probably clock speed sometimes

[olive sable]

but then what is the actual bottleneck. Its not gou or cpu sunce its idke for half the time. So i guess ram?

[high brook]

lol I know my bottleneck is pci-e Gen3 x8

[olive sable]

It was at 10/16 gb used, but speed may have been the issue i guess

[true hemlock]

huh?

i'd suspect the cpu ngl but eh

tell me more

[olive sable]

Lethal company but very heavily modded

So most of the mods have some inneficiencies and stuff

[true hemlock]

most def cpu

[olive sable]

I guess so ye

Imma neeed to up those single core cpu clocks

Or just get better mods

Main issue is probably how single threaded the game is

Satisfactory got 40% usage on every core, lethal company probably maxes 1 in bursts

Welp, im officialy in the netherlands now

[glass jetty]

THE COMPARE

[olive sable]

Ye

There's no reason for lethal company to get a 1/3 of the fps that satisfactory gets

[sage crag]

the main issue is

the unity render pipeline

i domt have a gpu so i can barely run the game at 30 fps

[olive sable]

Ok but like, a 7900xtx should get more than 50 😭

[sage crag]

catuhh

[olive sable]

It just doest get any usage

[sage crag]

when i had a 3060 i was getting over 200

ur system is brokege

[olive sable]

The problem is mods

[sage crag]

unless ur cpu is much worse than mine

[olive sable]

5950x

[sage crag]

mine was heavily modded, but check the cams mod, it eats frames

[sage crag]

7600

[olive sable]

Your's is better for single core

[sage crag]

theres an alternative one that isnt as broken

[obsidian mantle]

Toast conversation

[olive sable]

The list of mods is long, but the cams mod is in there ye iirc

[sage crag]

try disabling it

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

ye toast to toast communication

[olive sable]

My brain toast

[sage crag]

ye

did it help

[vague sonnet]

somebody once toast me the world is gonna toast me, I ain't the toastiest toast in the toaster

[amber fractal]

Gotta cut toast out of my loaf of bread, welcome to #baking my name is Iggly and we'll be cooking and chatting with my slices of toast

[olive sable]

#toaster

In the newest lethal company version half our mods stopped working anyways, we'll have to do some testing

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

It truely is monday, chat is so dead

[sage crag]

false

chat is dead because i ate the other toasts

you are the only one left

your time is short

[olive sable]

Im not edible, im triangle

[tender river]

konii biter

[olive sable]

How many toast could we make with one bred?

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

[flint dome]

so you're dorito got it

i wuv dorito :3

[olive sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1327142377139343430/1486773213190029444/doc_2026-03-25_19-13-27.gif

[nocturne olive]

You could also just parse the CSV and then check if every element in that component is a rest element

[olive sable]

Are you new?
I dont remember marine pfp

[high brook]

yes. but my lavy was works

[sage crag]

nrr not biter

[tender river]

how eat toast

[sage crag]

have mug guild tag, mean just89 adjacent

[tender river]

without biting

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

blender

[nocturne olive]

It also sucks and looks trash

[sage crag]

mikuos

[nocturne olive]

I'll include a component in my rewritten trainer later than just does it the correct way

[high brook]

i also didnt write the origonal code, i jyst extented it out of pure lszy

[olive sable]

I dont know what just89 is

[sage crag]

chicken nugget

[nocturne olive]

That will for sure work

[sage crag]

if you think about it

[olive sable]

Nugget?

[sage crag]

milk curdles as soon as it reaches your stomach

[flint dome]

local nuthouse resident

[olive sable]

Okay

[flint dome]

good friend of ours just a misunderstood person

[flint dome]

No im fairly old I've been here since like 2024

i changed pfp because I needed a new one so I drew one for myself

[honest scaffold]

I swear im not even ego searching, i open programming and this is the first thing i see

[honest scaffold]

thats me

Maybe i do need to ego search sometimes

[olive sable]

Elaborate

[warped narwhal]

[honest scaffold]

im being honest here

[olive sable]

So why are you a mug?

[tender river]

mug is

cultural icon

[sage crag]

mug is

cultural icon

[olive sable]

What was the mug thing u used to do again?

Mugsama

[sage crag]

@honest scaffold

send the

mug emug mugsmug fumug

[honest scaffold]

[sage crag]

mugsmug where

[honest scaffold]

[honest scaffold]

What is mugsmug

First time im hearing about it

[sage crag]

[honest scaffold]

Oh

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1429520293721800725.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=smh&lossless=true

[olive sable]

C

[sage crag]

]**

[tender river]

ye ]

[olive sable]

My 4g is dying

[jagged turtle]

huh

miku server

not discord kind

[olive sable]

Did imagine sent yet?

[jagged turtle]

?

[olive sable]

Ok so no

[jagged turtle]

so confused

[olive sable]

The dutch 4g network is just bad i guess

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

ocean

[kind nimbus]

Classic Netherlands ocean view

[sage crag]

pls get closer

10% of this photo is the ocean

[tender river]

10%

[sage crag]

have some UK ocean

[obsidian mantle]

Haven't seen the sea in 18 years

[wild dagger]

I haven’t seen the sun in 18 years 🫣

[amber fractal]

Seems like you'd like to be one with the ocean, maybe we just throw you in

[wild dagger]

What is the ocean

[amber fractal]

Soup

[sage crag]

wales

[wild dagger]

What’s that

[trim valve]

🐳

[sage crag]

ye

sunset

[sage crag]

aberystwyth

wales

nice place

visit it

[amber fractal]

Stuck in burgerland, what a theme park it is

[trim valve]

long drive

[sage crag]

ye

very

also

hills

[olive sable]

Im in pizaria rn

So cant

[trim valve]

but

I have hills already

[sage crag]

on my way to my lodgings there was a sign that said something like

25 fatalities on this road in the previous year

[amber fractal]

One off from the whole alphabet

[sage crag]

[tender river]

average of one every two weeks

[sage crag]

this is where i stayed

[opaque wharf]

A very flat terrain

[sage crag]

the only flat part of wales

[opaque wharf]

I'll send a mountain pic in the horizon if it was still sunny outside

[warped narwhal]

I'd show you some pictures from Scotland, but unfortunately as always it is raining

[sage crag]

there were tiny winding gravel roads at 45° up and down this thing

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

45° is not that bad

[tender river]

indonesia roads

have to drive up 90 deg

[olive sable]

[warped narwhal]

that's called a wall

[sage crag]

flower photos from scotland

[olive sable]

Indonesian cars have propellors to create downforce, this allows them to drive vertically

[tender river]

oh i havent seen these

[sage crag]

the pale yellow flower is my favourite

arch

[opaque wharf]

Arch...

[sage crag]

overcast but sunny

classic UK

[olive sable]

Same weather in belgium ussualy

Except for the 2 weeks of summer

[sage crag]

scotland has a lot of pretty places

[olive sable]

Portugal too

[tender river]

sedimentary rock looks funky

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

You should see citarum river

[sage crag]

sentimental rock

uncommon

most rock entirely lack emotions

[opaque wharf]

So you've encountered some with emotions?

[sage crag]

ye

called

londoner

[opaque wharf]

That's crazy

That's actually insane

[olive sable]

I forgot dutch 4g bad, so im expecting the pictures i intended to send 5 min ago to arrive next week

[opaque wharf]

5 moon ago is quite the time

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Damn you edited it lol

[olive sable]

Im throwing shade, vodafone is terrible

[opaque wharf]

I live in the mountains and my 4G is good

[olive sable]

Where i live my 4g is also good, but just here on vacation its terrible

[opaque wharf]

Does it count as roaming within EU?

[olive sable]

I think so

Its just free

[jagged turtle]

holy

[opaque wharf]

What did bro even do in his life to need 500 service

[tulip cargo]

Holy wowzers 😮

[jagged turtle]

Question so absurd you'd think it'd never be asked

[tender river]

its not as useful nowadays but back in the day there were so many forums with each requiring a separate account

[jagged turtle]

true

[opaque wharf]

Even then, I don't think it reaches the point of needing 500 accounts. Maybe because I don't play as many games or don't have that varied of a hobby

[tender river]

i think i have a total of maybe like 600 accounts

[olive sable]

Thats crazy

[opaque wharf]

Street food vendor

[tender river]

i have 343 entries in google password manager which i stopped using around 2019, and 358 entries in keepass (i never migrated all the entries, i went through them alphabetically, reached the letter b and gave up)

[opaque wharf]

I think if I count old dead account it MAY reach 200

But no more than 250

[jagged turtle]

surprising that there isn't a one-click migrator

[tender river]

no i was also changing the passwords in the process

[jagged turtle]

ah

[opaque wharf]

10/10

[tender river]

i recently found lemongrass in the store

in the

tea section

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, it can be made a tea

There's even a product here tea with apple and lemongrass flavor

[sick owl]

Rtx 6080 is expected to have 20GB VRAM

Guess I'm not trading my 4090 in for an upgrade because I'm not willing to trade 4GB VRAM for better path tracing

[opaque wharf]

Until nVidia can actually make path tracing viable in realtime, I think it's still better off as a specialized hardware for render farm

[sick owl]

This is why I love Claude Opus

An LLM that doesn't just glaze every suggestion is a rare thing indeed

[vague sonnet]

imagine using LLMs

[opaque sigil]

last time I checked I had well over 400 logins in my 1pw vault, it just kind of adds up over the many years

[opaque wharf]

What did you all do

[vague sonnet]

back in my days we didn't need an account for literally every single website

[trim valve]

I have ~340

a lot of them were for school

[opaque wharf]

I don't think my current password count even reach 100

[sage crag]

ye lemongrass tea

this is all i know lemongrass for

[opaque wharf]

But it is an amazing spice for cooking

Well, herb

[rigid snow]

it's good by itself too

[opaque wharf]

Now THAT is insanity

[sage crag]

mlnttoast (toaaast)d

[rigid snow]

well to be fair i also eat whole onions sometimes

and lemons

and shit

[opaque wharf]

[rigid snow]

garlic

[sage crag]

right now im identifying toasts by guild tag

i cant tell who is who without them

[rigid snow]

enable profile picture

[tender river]

i can usually guess

[sage crag]

no

[opaque wharf]

That's why I turned off compact mode

[sage crag]

naturally its because im so unique

[tender river]

ye

[tender river]

how does durian taste to you

to me it tastes kinda like onion

[sage crag]

thats a pokemon

durant

[opaque wharf]

It taste okay. It's sweet but not overly sweet usually

[tender river]

:DuranDuran:

[opaque wharf]

I think if your durian taste like onion something is wrong

[tender river]

i think its just regional taste difference

[rigid snow]

i can set it to this

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, how much of a different is regional difference usually made

[vague sonnet]

get toasted immediately

[olive sable]

I would set my tag to 🔺 if i could

[rare bridge]

just spent the past 15 minutes trying to reformat a drive completely forgetting a docker container has it mounted

[rigid snow]

cloudtoast

[proven merlin]

I think i asked before but why the red triangle?

[sage crag]

124k fps

[proven merlin]

Hm?

Did he write a programm that ran so fast that just rendered one triangle?

[sage crag]

only 0.000124 ghz @olive sable

@olive sable

dinkdonk

optimise better

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1429520293721800725.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=smh&lossless=true

[sage crag]

40k cycles per frame

[rigid snow]

and that's assuming one thread

probably

add multithreading

[olive sable]

Its 2 threads

The whole thing with vulkan is that you can use different threads for changing uniform buffers and whatever

[opaque wharf]

Change to 128 thread

[olive sable]

But we're using none of those features

We're using 3 api camls that have to be on the same thread

[opaque wharf]

Don't let spec limitation limit you

[olive sable]

The thread owns that memory

[opaque wharf]

Steal it

[sage crag]

you have atomics

owned memory is for cowards

[opaque wharf]

I was exploring the options of my hosting provider. I see they have a menu called "Website Development". It's just a hyperlink to fiverr

[stark needle]

Chat i just started the new job

The company is truly sinking😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[stark needle]

They have a weird input pipeline where they accept data via formatted csv ftp files or api but the api just turns the data into csvs on the ftp server just to be then parsed again in another system😭 😭 😭 😭

[rough bloom]

hello I hope the work goes well

[stark needle]

They gave me a 8gb ram engineering laptop

[opaque sigil]

gl in the non-google world

[opaque wharf]

Standard enterprise stuff

[rough bloom]

laptop

[opaque wharf]

Everything is just enough effort to not break

[stark needle]

They literally have a citrix workspace with 32gb ran but they said not to use it

They said citrix is there to hotswitch the current azure user to root access without having to log off and log in again

Exclusively

[rough bloom]

[opaque wharf]

Mhmm, sounds like monday

[stark needle]

Wtf is this frickass setup

[vague sonnet]

damn, at work I got 16gb
after scouring the storage rooms we found 8gb more to add
which allowed me to barely load the codebase :)

[rough bloom]

why tf does an "engineering" laptop only have 8 GB anyway
even an older standard work laptop should have 16 GB at this point

[stark needle]

They somehow have a monolith central system with +10000 dynamically created tables in oracle db

[rough bloom]

Oracle DB

[sage crag]

i misread it

[rough bloom]

[stark needle]

I'll try to get in the ML projects

That run on azure

[sage crag]

thats the original toast

[stark needle]

Instead of this shitty onpremise solution

[sage crag]

toast0

[tender river]

gl in the non-google world

[sage crag]

t0ast

[sage crag]

dont be evil

[rough bloom]

those shouldn't have accumulated too much legacy garbage (yet)

[rough bloom]

wtf

[trim valve]

[rigid snow]

houdini is so cool but so hard

300000 nodes (i haven’t touched anything other than geometry networks)

[opaque wharf]

Then use Blender

[rough bloom]

maybe I'm just spoiled

[rigid snow]

but i wanna use houdini

[sick owl]

Vibe hardware engineering https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-says-ai-cuts-chip-design-work-from-80-person-months-to-overnight-on-one-gpu

[trim valve]

tbh if ram wasn't stupid expensive I'd upgrade my old laptop collection to full 16GB

[opaque wharf]

Waiting for next headline where GPU catches fire left and right

Or emits RF like they own the airspace

[opaque sigil]

isn't chip design "just" a bunch of intertwined optimisation problems

makes sense that an ML based approach would do pretty well at that

[proven merlin]

Closed: NotABug, Sidechained Feature.

[glass jetty]

8gb is enough

[tender river]

misleading summary, llm is a minor part of the process

[opaque wharf]

If they have the constraint down to the T then yeah

[opaque wharf]

But LLM tho?

I can understand if they train a new model type

[opaque sigil]

it's an RL based program

[opaque wharf]

So they make stuff like those LeRobot do?

[opaque sigil]

At a broader level, Dally said NVIDIA has been running internal LLMs called Chip Nemo and Bug Nemo. These models were fine-tuned on proprietary NVIDIA material, including RTL and architecture documents for GPUs designed over the years. He said one of the practical gains is that junior engineers can query the model instead of repeatedly asking senior designers how a specific block works, while the system can also summarize bug reports and help assign them to the right module or engineer

this seems pretty reasonable to me too tbh

[opaque wharf]

I hope the model didn't hallucinate. Also why make it an LLM instead of searchable knowledge base

For the junior querying stuff

[opaque sigil]

better user interface i guess

[opaque wharf]

Let's just see how things goes for nVidia later

[tulip cargo]

I miss those days, ngl

[latent apex]

pogaming

[wispy pike]

AGI isn't good at coming up with new things but if given a set of hard rules and an abscence of subjective ones it's usually okay. Still, I don't think it would replace the specialists needed that would understand the system on a more fundamental level.

[rigid snow]

chip desing

[vague sonnet]

AGI is a myth

[wispy pike]

why are there three toasts

[opaque wharf]

Omg, where?

[vague sonnet]

the toaster was very big

there is more than 3

[opaque wharf]

At least 10

[glass jetty]

still only 10

[vague sonnet]

never enough

[sick owl]

https://www.theverge.com/tech/910990/meta-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-ai-clone

Actual robot zuck

[opaque wharf]

Nono, at least 10 because of discord limitation of finding a person by name

[glass jetty]

in this case there would be more name match

but there one not exact match

[vague sonnet]

both name and colour have to match

[proven merlin]

Hmm there isnt perhaps a Neuro XMPP is there?

[tender river]

what do you mean by that

xmpp neuro group chat?

[true hemlock]

headlines and their overexaggeration bs

atp im like

convinced most articles are llm slop now

[trim valve]

me too

or people who think "my writing is so much better when I use ai to 'assist' me"

but then just end up sounding like complete slop

[true hemlock]

honestly i somewhat despised how lots of people in the pc community are also so damn misinformed or just actually pretty illiterate

and i blame these articles

[trim valve]

true, though pc people being illiterate has always been the case

[true hemlock]

reddit being the extremes lol

[vague sonnet]

because they are

[true hemlock]

its mostly just techbros atp whining

ahem reddit mods energy

[vague sonnet]

jarvis, write me an article about X topic

[trim valve]

it's just so sad, I really liked reading articles

[olive sable]

Racecars are pretty cool

[trim valve]

all cars can be racecars if you're not scared of putting your foot down

[true hemlock]

"no, this is a BAD idea you're going to <insert bad things here> do/get this instead <insert the most generic publicly-precepted shit>"

[olive sable]

The images i wanted to send arent sending so just imagine the racecars

[vague sonnet]

I miss when internet had more good information sources
now you have to filter through AI-gen misinfo and then a lot of sources are hidden in account-locked sites that aren't googlable (shoutout discord for being part of the problem)

[true hemlock]

sometimes i wanna talk about the specific gpu i get and these reddit bros came at me "this shit is trash doesn't support flash attn get <actually worse despite being newer gpu> instead it has <amount> of TOPS"

though ngl

i hate ai slop article far more

[trim valve]

solution: live under a rock and never talk to anyone

[vague sonnet]

yapping about amount of tops? they are a lot like tcg players huh

[vague sonnet]

every day I get closer to wanting that

[true hemlock]

lmao same

[sage crag]

i thought differently

[vague sonnet]

actually under a tungsten cube not rock

[true hemlock]

there's also ai bros crying with copium "project stargate is necessary for humanity open ai needs it!! it will happen!!" when i talk about the technicals on how unrealistic it is

guess what happened

[sick owl]

The headline/article isn't exaggerating, Nvidia are the one peddling this stuff

[sage crag]

toast🦆

[sick owl]

Be fair about where you direct your ire

[sage crag]

[true hemlock]

it sorta is, title implied it cut work from 80 people

[nocturne olive]

Fell for the marketing ew

[tender river]

10th toast

[true hemlock]

in reality its just a way for them to better manage the junior employees

and actually help them by providing these tools.

sounds reasonable enough.

[true hemlock]

felt like the article is rage baiting people into clicking it lmao

im tempted to rant about some astrophysics shit here ngl

not sure if anyones interested though.

[sage crag]

quackstrophysics

[true hemlock]

well its better than the constant talk about llm here i suppose

@tender river toast yourself now

[tender river]

i'm already toast

[true hemlock]

smh

[sage crag]

what language is that

[vague sonnet]

heart

[tender river]

english

[sage crag]

sneaky

[glass jetty]

+++

[true hemlock]

need more c++ talk

fr

[glass jetty]

well

lets do it

guys, how do you do tests in qt?

separate ui and back end?

[true hemlock]

[wispy pike]

god I'm old

[glass jetty]

and what is common structure you use
for me i prefer back end and front end + list of connections between them in special object

[glass jetty]

so many polygons

[true hemlock]

fuck all

i love TUI front end

[glass jetty]

anyway, i was planning to learn rust
still not doing it tho
doing math (for whatever reasons) and watching youtube

[glass jetty]

yeah im too

btw

lldb tui is horrible

it so buggy

[true hemlock]

but animating it is ass

[glass jetty]

you cant use it fr

[glass jetty]

there should be some sort of framework tho

[true hemlock]

yk what i might consider building a lib for tui because the ones i've been doing is manually everything

so i need something slightly higher level i could work with that suits whatever tf i need

technically im programming a shader

so

uh

well

[glass jetty]

actually tui isnt much better than similar gui
only if ppl would do movement in front end for their apps
like our app for example dont support any keyboard shortcuts (since it will be on embed touch screen)

[opaque wharf]

Racecat

[glass jetty]

btw, did some one wrote good guide for reflection, or best is still reading paper?

[sick owl]

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/linux-lays-down-the-law-on-ai-generated-code-yes-to-copilot-no-to-ai-slop-and-humans-take-the-fall-for-mistakes-after-months-of-fierce-debate-torvalds-and-maintainers-come-to-an-agreement

The debate finally got somewhere huh

[opaque wharf]

Well yeah, Linus himself uses LLM to code

[glass jetty]

man

why

ai cant do code what the fuck

[rough bloom]

good policy

-# only one that is actually practical I think

[glass jetty]

there like nothing but allowance
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/process/coding-assistants.rst

wait for sigfaults in kernel idk

[opaque wharf]

Well in case the code that the ai wrote break stuff, the burden is on the maintainer to fix

That is their policy

[true hemlock]

oi toast yourself now

[opaque wharf]

The human is the one that is responsible and held accountable

[rough bloom]

ye

you can't practically completely forbid AI since you can just... not disclose that you used it

and obviously the normal review process still has to happen anyway

so you end up with this

[opaque wharf]

And I think Linus himself hoped that AI was used for this instead of writing code

[glass jetty]

-# like difference is that when you write something, you at least think about specifics
-# after you wrote something, you think about it in all the contexts
-# i not feeling that just reading code give you that
nvm, that is wrong anyway
all code should be at least written by humans, even if it copy ai code by logic

[glass jetty]

ai can actually read code and at least guess what may be wrong

i mean opus 4.6 now

[sage crag]

toast schism

[olive sable]

[glass jetty]

my use of ai after fucking up with generated code is only search
and when i tried opus i also started to use for sanity check / local review

[true hemlock]

my concern with ai code usually only applies to critical systems like an os or compute

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

I am finally at a place with wifi

[true hemlock]

i still personally stand by that these should never be ai coded

[olive sable]

Racecars

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile Microslop

[opaque wharf]

I was quoting this article where Linus said that
https://itsfoss.com/news/linux-kernel-ai-fuzzing/

[rough bloom]

what is that headline

[opaque wharf]

Idk lmao

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

He has been quietly running what looks like an AI-assisted fuzzing tool on the kernel that lives in a branch called "clanker" on his working kernel tree.

GKH btw

And this is the Linus line

Linus called that a good sign, while asserting that he is "much less interested in AI for writing code" and more interested in AI as a tool for maintenance, patch checking, and code review.

[true hemlock]

this is exactly how i would treat the ai tools like lmao

[rare bramble]

the tool is apparently named gregkh_clanker_t1000

[opaque wharf]

I'm just imagining the image of a kernel maintainer when making those branch name lol

[trim valve]

I tried something similar in my repo and the clankers just wouldn't listen

[opaque wharf]

I thought you were joking

[lament igloo]

flash player scams in the big 2026 💔

[stark needle]

Ok chat

The job i just joined sinked a long time ago

Like actually

[olive sable]

Wha

[vague sonnet]

like the company or your position

[glass jetty]

gl

[rough bloom]

you can fix them

surely

[glass jetty]

what is life

-# nah i not finishing it

[vague sonnet]

a string of experiences

[stark needle]

My companys software they develop

[vague sonnet]

classic

[stark needle]

No docker, fake ci/cd, weird fixed shape vms setup

[vague sonnet]

oh god

[stark needle]

No tests

[vague sonnet]

bruh what

that's not fixable

[stark needle]

Not even devs running the same python Version for dev

[vague sonnet]

it sounds more like a hobby project than a professional one

[stark needle]

No environments that will actually run 1:1 on different machines

[stark needle]

The software manages money in the hundreds of millions

[vague sonnet]

the management should get fired for letting it get that bad ngl

[stark needle]

They did a machine learning pipeline which is actually a python script that only runs on 1 devs machine

She has the dataset stored on her private onedrive somehow

[vague sonnet]

ngl, look for a new job like immediately

[stark needle]

Man

Literally

They said they recently found out their filesystem only supports 1tb hard cap per vm

And only 7M inodes

They were so confused when i said why arent they using a s3 compatible bucket service somewhere

No they invented their own FTP solution

Also they are using a vm ssd as cold storage

For legal

[shadow wing]

Me still using 3.10

Or on my windows vista machine, 2.0

[vague sonnet]

it's not about X version being better/worse
it's about consistency

[shadow wing]

Right

[stark needle]

Python lottery lmfao

[vague sonnet]

like all python versions are dogshit anyway and no one should ever write code in it

[stark needle]

One other dev that just joined asked wheter he can instead write services in rust

[vague sonnet]

oh nah

[stark needle]

The role name is literally python software engineer

[vague sonnet]

I mean rust is better than python I guess

[stark needle]

I don't want another fucking invented stack now

"learn rust cause the other new guy uses it"

[vague sonnet]

ok bro to be fair
that company could use a complete restructurisation
in both management and all the codebases and environments

[stark needle]

This is some suicide tier technical debt tho

[vague sonnet]

debt feels like an understatement

it's more like technical bankruptcy

it's a miracle all that even functions

(if it does)

[stark needle]

They don't even manually update the db they just let it update automatically and fix the app as it breaks

Instead of pinning a db version

[vague sonnet]

bro stop I'm dying 😭

actually what's the AI usage in your company? might be an interesting correlation

[stark needle]

No ai allowed

[glass jetty]

we have no docker, no ci cd at all, dont even know what is vms actually,
and no tests
that ok tbh

[stark needle]

Bro💀

[glass jetty]

true ai are dumb

[glass jetty]

what

it relate to what you are doing

[stark needle]

Is ur org also doing the same shit😭

[glass jetty]

we cant make real use of ci cd, like there one script that supposed to run tests but there no support for tests

no docket cuz it is time critical software that require for windows fucking drivers and for linux direct access to gpu (for windows gpu too but that is reason why no docket on linux)

[maiden geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1376808276871745667/1NewMeow.gif

[glass jetty]

and tests are basically some small unit tests that cover like nothing, and global test that was abandoned like a year ago

[glass jetty]

.

[vague sonnet]

oh god
this level of incompetence without AI to blame sounds crazy
at this point it's probably better to vibecode than let those people make anything

[vague sonnet]

meow

[stark needle]

Yeah

Just vibe code atp

Do a full vibe code migration

[glass jetty]

also docs are written by hands and you are supposed to read code along with them
tho there a bunch of diagrams to help with like everything
most of docs are diagrams lol, you kind of supposed to read actual code

[stark needle]

Here we have no actual documentation

[glass jetty]

ok i got you
sad to know im incompetent

[glass jetty]

THAT is scary

there no way to write app without docs tho

even if logic is sound

like i try to write code that sound and leave comments about important stuff
cant cover everything in comments

[vague sonnet]

we have no docs here
kind of
there are specifications and analyses for each feature
and programmers competent enough you can figure out what things do by reading the code

multi billion company

[glass jetty]

idk, docs for developers should guide you though structure and tell about edge cases that not highlighted in comments in header
autogen docs like opencv one that you search for function and see nothing in docs are useless

[vague sonnet]

generally good code is self-documenting

[glass jetty]

yeah that why i have like 50+ commits that only do renaming over last year

[vague sonnet]

good

[glass jetty]

i have one python developer that know c++ a little
i will see how he go though docs since he not know our cpp app, and add stuff to docs that i may not see as important, and its all

1. complete docs (described)
2. finish testing in real env (takes time to setup machine, not depend on me)
3. remove all todo in code
4. write global test for first generation
5. write unit tests for second generation
   (cuz arch for second is mudular......)
   and im ready to leave at any moment

[glass jetty]

so, i mean, it may not be important

[vague sonnet]

tf you mean take time to setup machine
that should be automated

[glass jetty]

i write software for hardware

[vague sonnet]

so do I

[glass jetty]

[opaque wharf]

Maybe you mean firmware

[glass jetty]

machine cost 15/80*10^6 -> 35/80*10^6 in usd

[opaque wharf]

15 mill usd?

[glass jetty]

gah

[vague sonnet]

I work in telecom and the company also produces its own hardware

[glass jetty]

idk why it happens
why name resolution just breaks
i do only tun, isnt it supposed to search for 8.8.8.8 if dhcp domain server is unreachable

[kind fable]

hey here's a screenshot to make your day better by laughing

[stray dragon]

thank you that did make my day better

[rare bramble]

that's ... one way to use git

[glass jetty]

i use git for music

[vague sonnet]

this project would be so easy to hack

[warped narwhal]

it's MIT licensed as well lmao

I doubt they wanted to do that

[opaque wharf]

[kind fable]

they did want to do that

[stray dragon]

i laughed, then thought "it might make sense to maintain a bunch of versions of the mod since they don't all cover the same minecraft version, but why use zip files in a github repo", then saw the four versions of the mod for 1.21 with inconsistent naming conventions and laughed again but harder

[kind fable]

they just do not know how to use git

[kind fable]

yes but you use branches or a multi-loader/version system

[stray dragon]

yeah that's what i was thinking the correct solution was

[kind fable]

here it's just a big sadly they do not know and it's funni

here it's just a mess

[obsidian mantle]

why is my ffmpeg ignoring hwaccel? cpu goes to near 100% usage idk if its normal with hw accel

ffmpeg -hwaccel cuda -i skyrim/__out_of_riften_and_some_fights__cut_to_5_35.mp4 -ss 00:00:00 -t 00:05:35 -c:v libx264 -c:a aac  skyrim/out_of_riften_and_some_fights.mp4

oh nvm it actually uses gpu a little

i just expected gpu to do most of the work and not vice versa

[trim valve]

I think your encoder is wrong?

at the moment you're using libx264 which (unless im mistaken) is entirely cpu

[rough bloom]

you are not mistaken

[trim valve]

nvidia docs seem to suggest it should be h264_nvenc

[obsidian mantle]

i tried without those keys, just hwaccel, -ss command to cut and input/output

[trim valve]

what happens if you change -c:v libx264 to -c:v h264_nvenc

[obsidian mantle]

it offloads it to gpu entirely. thanks for help
also it gets more fps
and pc doesnt sound like helicopter

also why did my obs record video that is 7 gb for 10 minutes
and ffmpeg got 200 mb output

[trim valve]

what settings is your obs running?

[obsidian mantle]

oh wait it chopped the bitrate its unwatchable

[trim valve]

100mbit/s is high but not unreasonable if you want good quality

also depends on resolution

[obsidian mantle]

yeye actually obs quality is good

nvidia's output with that codec destroyed bitrate

[faint sandal]

your encoder is wrong yes and you normally do not need to specify the hwaccel arg

[trim valve]

I mean, what settings is it picking for the encode

if I had to guess its picking some sane defaults that happen to be way too low

also consider encoding to h265 if your gpu supports it and wherever you're putting it also supports it

[obsidian mantle]

uhh

is it just h265_nvenc

[opaque sigil]

av1_nvenc

hevc_nvenc

[obsidian mantle]

where do i put it

instead of -c:v and -c:a?

[trim valve]

-c:v sets the video codec. -c:a sets audio

[obsidian mantle]

yeah and av1_nvenc shounds like... both a and v

[trim valve]

av1 is for video

[obsidian mantle]

i can see it chopping the video again

[trim valve]

so set -c:v hevc_nvenc/-c:v av1_nvenc depending on if you want h265 or av1

set a higher quality factor

I think you can do something like -crf 20 (lower is higher quality, with diminishing returns)

[obsidian mantle]

how do i know which i want

265 or nvenc

[opaque sigil]

they're both nvenc

[obsidian mantle]

so hvenc is hvenc and av1 is h265

[opaque sigil]

h265/av1 is the codec

[trim valve]

oops

I typo'd

meant h265 or av1

[opaque sigil]

hevc is another name for h265 and well, av1 is av1

keep in mind av1_nvenc will only work if you have at least a 40 series card

[obsidian mantle]

-preset p7 doesnt help its still 2k bitrate

av1_nvenc didnt change anything seemingly

ffmpeg hard

[trim valve]

[trim valve]

try this

[obsidian mantle]

is 20 high

[opaque sigil]

bitrate is a bit misleading, since hevc & av1 will need far lower bitrates for the same quality

[trim valve]

[obsidian mantle]

OH

wait let me test then

[trim valve]

not stupid high but probably higher

[opaque wharf]

So many non toast

[obsidian mantle]

im done

im going back to cpu

[opaque sigil]

man has silicon available specifically for his problem and he doesn't use it

[obsidian mantle]

i put -crf 20 literally in every possible position it doesnt accept it

i mean, i would use it if using it wouldnt require 40 minutes of experiments

i can just batch this shit in 3 min max and go do other shit

why would they even default to 2k bitrate

????

have they checked how it looks

maybe its fine for 144p

obs gives away 70k

[trim valve]

are you enjoying your crashout

[obsidian mantle]

im toast

[opaque wharf]

Become toast

And yellow

[obsidian mantle]

alright this message made me mad and i googled again and it turned out

-b:v 20M sets bitrate to 20mbit

and it doesnt look like ass in fullhd 60 fps

im happy
now i have working command to encode with gpu

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

You still need to be toast

[opaque sigil]

ugh

[trim valve]

yee, constant bitrate just cringe

[opaque sigil]

i hate being compute bound

[trim valve]

just get more compute

[opaque sigil]

these stupid gpus barely increase in compute

*outside of low precision floating point stuff

[opaque wharf]

Hello

Wait no, I am toast now

[olive sable]

We are toast

seinfield music plays

[stark needle]

Hi

Toast

[olive sable]

Hi non-toast

[opaque sigil]

[split steppe]

https://tenor.com/bdlTq.gif

why is everyone toast

[glass jetty]

no one know

become banana toast too

[split steppe]

banana bread

[sage crag]

ye

toast

[tender river]

why are you not toast

[sage crag]

ye

[faint sandal]

where's banana bread

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1327142377139343430/1486773213190029444/doc_2026-03-25_19-13-27.gif

[opaque wharf]

Yellow toast

Is banana bread

[stark needle]

Toast

[maiden geyser]

group psychosis

[split steppe]

https://tenor.com/hI8fwiaOmDA.gif

#nn leaking in #baking

[fiery canopy]

about right

I am debating installing nix on my pc as I already use on my laptop

is efffort tho