programming

[olive sable]

Seagate Exos X18 Enterprise 16TB CMR 3.5" Hyperscale SATA Hard Drive Model Number: ST16000NM000J

270MB/s

[opaque wharf]

Make the cylinder thicc

The platter

Like, 1cm thicc

[olive sable]

the smasnug 990 pro does 7,450 MB/s suppsoedly

[opaque wharf]

Then you have a flywheel on your pc with quite the kinetic energy

[olive sable]

aight, i disabled fastboot, lets how it worked

ill also nuke the 3rd nvme when im back in nixos

hmmm

it overwrote the boot order

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

[silent cloak]

M.2 prices still

[proven merlin]

I do wonder, why have no (or few) hdds have dynamic rpms?

[stark needle]

damn is this one of those cheap as hell used enterprise ones u can get for like 200$

[proven merlin]

I mean, sure hdds are already slow, but youd guess that beyond parking theyd also experiment with slower rpm to reduce forces and powerdraw?

[olive sable]

im pretty sure slower rpm also affects latency

[proven merlin]

Yeah but if youre only slowly loading a video file?

[olive sable]

well. i got it for 200. the prices have gone up to 400 now

[proven merlin]

I was happy about 2-3 years ago to get 8tb for 120€

One of those terrible smr seagate ones

5400

[olive sable]

i got a prety good 16tb one for 200

[proven merlin]

Its neat, full of company confidental data :)

[opaque sigil]

the air cushion the head sits on depends on the speed, have fun doing that with variable speeds

[proven merlin]

(bullying companies into giving me data is what i do best apparently.. just wanted the linux kernel source for one of my tablets.. got almost the entire intel SoFIA toolset and documentation :)

Took about 24 emails

Yes ive put it on archive org

(yes im fully in the legal here, atleast thanks to germany)

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/cabbit-speech-bubble-mrow-cat-bunnie-gif-5318105111208430918

[olive sable]

[proven merlin]

That is for sure a reaction

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318

[olive sable]

leaf armor
+2 defense
-1 fall damage
(edible)

[tender river]

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

edible

✅

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/samurai-cat-cat-samurai-samurai-gif-17147411829064002977

Cant beat him tho

[olive sable]

samurai armor
+22 defense
-5 stealth
+2 fall damage
samurai sword
+37 attack damage

[warped narwhal]

NAS go brrrrrrr

adding an nvme l2arc and 10gig networking works wonders for speeding up a HDD

[fast pagoda]

should see how rclone does although with a single file the speedup might not be much if anything

[flint dome]

Quadra g98 streaming multiprocessor

[true hemlock]

YI

YO

[flint dome]

l1 cache, memory controller and render output unit

[true hemlock]

FELLOW DIE SHOT ENTHUSIASTS

[flint dome]

thats all I could get pics of before the scoliosis kicked in

[true hemlock]

[olive sable]

i like die shots, but i dont have any cpus, microscopes, nor knowledge on what the pictures actualyl mean

[flint dome]

doing lighting on a biological microscope to do metallurgical work is hard I learnt today

[true hemlock]

i usually just use those usb microscopes

[flint dome]

nah i can get upto 675x on my biological scope

[true hemlock]

damn

[flint dome]

provided the light fucking reaches the lens

[flint dome]

which is impossible with a phone torch

I would have taken cleaner shots if it wasn't for the fact I blew it up to the ceiling earlier today

[true hemlock]

this is the intel celeron for lga 1151 (first rev)

[flint dome]

nice

mine has minimum 100x zoom so getting a full die shot is not possible

ill see what I can rig up with the lenses I have

[true hemlock]

zoomed

[flint dome]

I'll probably clean sand a pentium later that I saved

[flint dome]

how'd you remove the top of the die

[true hemlock]

i don't do sanding lol

[flint dome]

then what

[true hemlock]

chemical etching

[flint dome]

ahhhh

[true hemlock]

to remove the epoxy side

its uh

most chips are flip package bga

so all you need is heat it up till the solder ball melts and take the die off

[flint dome]

well i dont have the necessary chemicals and I dont think the chemistry professor will be nice to a cs student

[true hemlock]

then etch the bga side

[true hemlock]

glass etching kit works btw

should be available online

[flint dome]

looked it up seems like a good idea

[true hemlock]

careful not to spill it on any other stuff like ceramics

[flint dome]

ill try the northbridge with it first before I sand the cpu

[sage crag]

dont spill it on

people

[true hemlock]

nah

its relatively safe to be handled but i still don't recommend direct contact

[flint dome]

if I am inhaling sillicon then so should others

embrace the techpriest drug

[true hemlock]

this was my shot at Nvidia TU106

[flint dome]

didja etch too much

[true hemlock]

that complex part up there is the PCIe controller

[true hemlock]

kinda did

the SM seems smooth

[flint dome]

hmm was wondering because of the lack of standard cell blocks

[true hemlock]

but otherwise i get the features i wanted

[flint dome]

the cuda vanished in time of need much like it vanishes when you want it to work

[true hemlock]

lmao yeah

im surprised the PCIe controller survived

and all the mem controllers

[rigid snow]

spent 5 hours trying to debug a runtime crash and going nowhere with that that i just had to enable a crate feature to fix. cool. i hate everything

[flint dome]

https://tenor.com/view/momoi-airi-airi-pjsk-project-sekai-mmj-gif-26038893

my condolences

[true hemlock]

but yeah

i dislike die sanding aswell

preferred chemical etching

[flint dome]

some chemicals here are illegal without licenses because of previous criminal activity so no kitchen chemistry for me

only sanding or glass etch or laser if I can get my hands on one

[glass jetty]

where this meme came from?

[glad path]

spent 3 hours making a nice crash dialog for my app lol

[true hemlock]

what

[olive sable]

I see you fixed 9 and 10

[true hemlock]

weird thread scheduling

[glass jetty]

yap finally deleted repos from github

managed all repos, somehow i have only 12 repos except garbage-code-repo

thought it was like 20, tho it was actually 20

[silent cloak]

all these languages have garbage collectors, but what if I want a garbage generator instead?

[olive sable]

Allow me to introduce myself

[rigid snow]

claude code

[silent cloak]

true

[stark needle]

hi

i want a garbage generator

[sick owl]

Just embed yandev code

[glass flower]

someone should fine tune a ai model on yandere-sim and see if it can produce similar code

[steep shard]

I thought I installed the gui

Turns out I’m stuck in a reboot loop now in a VM

Turns out this broke itself

[jagged turtle]

oh

[opaque sigil]

isn't that what we have magic bytes for

or am i misunderstanding

[stark needle]

wait lemme find updated

the paper in question (pls dont try to dig into the authors/dox me ideally) https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/11029883

[opaque sigil]

ohhh

makes sense

[nocturne olive]

Today I found out one of my friends is inherently sensitive to PSU coil whine
And now has to go gambling for a PSU with no coil whine

Anyone got tips before she gambles on one?

[stark needle]

probably get from the psu tier list? also, did you verify the coil whine isnt temporary cause it's new? my 3090 came with a ton of coil whine but with like 1 week it immediately went away

[nocturne olive]

The PSU is used

[stark needle]

ok no fair enough

[stark needle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/edit?usp=sharing

psu tier list

[nocturne olive]

I know of that
But it doesn't seem to correlate with coil whine because the PSU she has is an A tier PSU

[stark needle]

ok yea rip

[nocturne olive]

I guess gambling it is

[stark needle]

i mean is coil whine under warranty

[nocturne olive]

I doubt it
Also according to an LLM the coil whine is an inherent characteristic of that PSU at low power

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mr-krabs-ring-the-bell-ringing-bell-gif-16270849

furthest yet

run # 15

[stark needle]

the rock

https://klipy.com/gifs/dwayne-johnson-explaining

the pebble

[fast pagoda]

GCC 15.2.1 + clang-22 + python3.14+kernel 6.19 are unhappy with a build setup for gcc 13, clang 18, python 3.12, and kernel 6.8 headers

it turns out

[opaque sigil]

you should try GCC 16

[fast pagoda]

i think it's now about 24 hours of building rocm

not going the entire time, i had to work all day so it crashed once or twice where i did not notice

is 16 fully out

[stark needle]

why are u fully building rocm

[opaque sigil]

don't think so

[fast pagoda]

gfx1201(rdna4) on arch which does not target it in the rocm build available + wanted rocm 7.2 instead of the 7.12 i already had built

cant use any prebuilt wheels because all tensor ops explode every single time i do

if any pytorch using application gets installed, it will explode, every time no matter what, unless i specifically jam a fully locally built rocm into it

[stark needle]

exotic linux distro moment😭

[fast pagoda]

i think doing that when support was very fresh somehow screwed me permanently and if i were to like fully reinstall it'd probably go better

because when i first built rocm 7.11 for this i dont think there was even a valid 7.0 rocm prebuilt available for gfx1201

7.11 is liek a preview of 7.2

so i kinda thought it'd be smooth

nope

[stark needle]

bruh they couldve added arch ci/cd build😭

[fast pagoda]

on the side of things, claude is monitoring it for me and dredging through the failures as we run into em and SO far i've used well over $250 in api had i been using api

LOL

the only thing ive used it for this month

[stark needle]

idk how people afford to use api

i just buy codex pro max ultra god whatever for 200$ and drain the frick out of it

it's basically unlimited quota

[fast pagoda]

that is what i'm using rn

max

[opaque sigil]

dario would be proud

[fast pagoda]

when they said agentic tasks extend ever longer i dont think they meant repeatedly "aight bro so this time, TheRock passed -fcf-protection straight through to the build for libompdevice which apparently ubuntu's default cflags don't care about so we need to remove that" -> run again -> ok so this time flang is quite upset at like 10 flags that are again just passing right to it apparently

[opaque sigil]

i'd unironically check out how the rocm libraries are compiled in nixpkgs

might help pointing it at the root

though that doesn't build a wheel

which i guess is the annoying part in the first place

[fast pagoda]

well, this whole thing is the exact same build that TheRock distributions run to compile the bin on in the extras repo

but

the problem is just that there's been now about 20 different spots where it differs enough to break the build in this env & target

there's a gfx120x build path but it still blows up

[opaque sigil]

https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=rocm-gfx120x-bin is it this?

[fast pagoda]

yes

that is what im building from scratch basically (on purpose0)

because

if you see

that's on 7.12

i want 7.2

the future version of this im sure will be less painful when they update it

[flint dome]

pjsk

[fast pagoda]

but i am also choosing to specifically rebuild each of everything in the provides list because enough of them will just explode anything using rocm if they are prebuilt (i have tried to use it) that im just redoing it with the right target

it will appear to build and work

but then you run one tensor op and rocm immediately dies

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

and then the problem with doing that isnt that it doesnt work, it's that the build setup is meant to target

a fatass ubuntu 24.04 ci image

with ancient gcc/clang/python etc

and so a bunch of shit is broken between what those allow and what the current versions do

and also arch has weirdly strict build flags

like flang in the target doesnt have any of -fcf-protection, -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3 etc etc

[opaque sigil]

wait why are you doing this again
does 7.2.1 not support the 9700

or is it just broken

[fast pagoda]

there is no available 7.2.1

[opaque sigil]

https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/rocm-hip-sdk/ what's this then

rocm-hip-sdk 7.2.1-1

[fast pagoda]

part of what im building

it's a part of it but not the entire thing

[opaque sigil]

rocm-ml-sdk?

[fast pagoda]

and thoser prebuilt ones

are the ones that just detonate when ran

i did try to build it all with the least amount of actual manual building

but it exploded about 10 times before i said fuck it

idk what it is but anything prebuilt with these does not play nice

pytorth hates them

torth

pytorch hates them, the wmma cores hate them, all tensor ops do nothing except crash whatever it is i'm trying to run if i install them

[opaque sigil]

old torch maybe?

[fast pagoda]

any torch

[opaque sigil]

welp

[fast pagoda]

i basically, in every package that uses torch or rocm, have this one i've built (once it finishes) and just symlink/reconfigure it to use the system built one instead of daring to ever pull anything from pypi or any other repo prebuilt

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

as soon as i do it explodes

i DID weirdly get vllm working in a docker container

that's the only one that has played nice like that

and it seemingly would be the worst one

[opaque sigil]

getting vllm out of all things working is crazy

[fast pagoda]

that one i fuckin

docker pull that shit

and just

works

??

someone must have literally this setup in mind and built against already

i kinda still think it's because of how i did this from the beginning, probably anchored some broken ass shit somewhere that i have to build against because everything else touches it and dies if not accounting for whatever borked shit ive done

highly pondering a reinstall but that's a pain in the ass

and this is definitely not a huge giant enormous pain in t he ass

[opaque sigil]

perfect opportunity to install nixos

[fast pagoda]

does this sound like a nixos compatible mindset

i think it's the least nixos approach imaginable

it is immutable

i am mr john mutable'

[amber fractal]

Its only immutable to itself

You play god in the config file

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-rage-robot-anger-cruncha-gif-20148614

man how long till someone cooks up an omnidroid huh

best fiction robot

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-mr-incredible-syndrome-it's-bigger-it's-badder-gif-11876390835494696327

yeet

[amber fractal]

Yeet into the sunset

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/es-muy-grande-es-muy-malo-los-increíbles-the-incredibles-mr-incredible-gif-5096996118543264883

unhinged edit

[opaque sigil]

i should look into how usable sycl is on nvidia again

[stark needle]

i hate ELK stack

i hate chatgpt

[fast pagoda]

god can khronos come up with a different logo design for one(1) framework

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

bruh

[opaque sigil]

opencl looks so out of place

[fast pagoda]

goin fast

[opaque sigil]

opencl and going fast don't belong together

[stark needle]

opencl is fake cuda

[fast pagoda]

that's the ironic part

[opaque sigil]

[silent cloak]

Who even uses opencl

I can't remember the last time ive seen it used in anything

[stark needle]

i used opencl once to implement a full neural network training and inference in C++

i was probably 15 back then the code was 100% def shit

[silent cloak]

I remember when we didnt need gpus

[fast pagoda]

i saw and thus remembered vulkan's cpu renderer exists

lavapipe

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Lavapipe-RT-Pipelines-Mesa-24.1

ray tracing cpu let's gooo

[silent cloak]

Vulkan cpu tech is like nvidia cpu tech

[fast pagoda]

it exists but please dont fucking use it

?

[silent cloak]

Pretty much or it just ain't worth using

[fast pagoda]

POD worked better for me back in the day tahn it did on my pentium III

on my graphics card*

worked better in software

[opaque sigil]

didn't llvmpipe top the charts for the triangle

[fast pagoda]

openVINO goes kinda wild nutty for me every time i can test it on something

[proven merlin]

Yea llvmpipe is absolute peak

[amber fractal]

This is correct

[amber fractal]

the merge message

[fast pagoda]

kekw

what happened to you sdg 🥀

this one exploding somehow reconfigured the order of every other disk

[young plover]

/dev/disk/by-id my beloved

[fast pagoda]

truenas doesnt support it

i do not believe anyways

i mean, zfs can use them

it just wont show anything related to that in the ui

it just shows the pool

idk how it handles things moving around

i was creating a pool when the power flickered (there's one gas generator in guatemala with a really long extension cord powering the entire texas grid) and it shut the server off while this drive was formatting sg_format --format --size=512 --early /dev/sde (it was e at the time)

and now it's like

it just says it's trying to spin up forever now

apparently im supposed to take it out for a while and it might fix it

[fickle rain]

A very fitting ad
…I wish one had adblocker on iOS Firefox

[patent shard]

for fun tried having some parts with reverb and some without
...horribly.. I'm not good at cutting in and out but somehow I think I made it work without it sounding too bad
all I did was take snippets of two audio files, lol

yep, sounds weird.. idk why I did that

[kind nimbus]

I just told Claude to write me a config for the glances dashboard.

I did not tell it to include any twitch channel.

Look what it just put there unprompted

[lusty granite]

Damn

[covert bane]

Anyone have a good symbol for the BQ25703A Texas Instructment, Battery Management IC for KiCad?

I'm too lazy to make my own, from the datasheet

[kind nimbus]

Today I learned

FreeBSD has CLI screensavers

there is also a mouse cursor on the tty lmao

[midnight sigil]

claude has cross-session memory

[kind nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485392781876133888/1412872780151783555/EvilCuteSmileHype2.gif

[covert bane]

EvilSoCute!

[kind nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485392781876133888/1397660456973242518/EvilSoHappy.gif

[covert bane]

my heart is melting!

so cute!

[kind nimbus]

Nah Evil is not cute. Clearly she's evil.

[covert bane]

If Evil, why so cute!

[sage crag]

konputaaa

[opaque wharf]

Yes?

[stark needle]

i hate flink

and apache beam

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[stark needle]

hi sam

[kind nimbus]

11 am
...
Time to sleep

[jagged turtle]

konputa?

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1126496895246807123/1488042236993339483/6D972AD6C73A5B53D7A000B454B9E52A.gif

[jagged turtle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1126496895246807123/1488042236993339483/6D972AD6C73A5B53D7A000B454B9E52A.gif?ex=69db28d3&is=69d9d753&hm=9cc00bc47e1bb60a579b7504a641585a87fa462a1ae7884a21fc57f6e9d63d05&

[amber fractal]

Welp, gamba soon

once I actually finish adding it

I guess I need to finish the other pages now

I still need to figure out how many chips people start with

I like to play on 10 in my IRL setup, but maybe 20 makes more sense

[real sierra]

[amber fractal]

Okay, maybe I need to remeber rules exist

[real sierra]

i didnt see any issues

im just here to say hi

[amber fractal]

:SAVED:

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1126496895246807123/1488042236993339483/6D972AD6C73A5B53D7A000B454B9E52A.gif

shr

[amber fractal]

Shiro

great, now I want to play a round rq

why is it so addictive

[stark needle]

no way shiro became admin

[jagged turtle]

shiro was admin for at least a month by now

[stark needle]

i havent been here😭

pov debugging this crap of a compute graph

[olive sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1488557244432777376/6D972AD6C73A5B53D7A000B454B9E52A.gif

Toast

[stark needle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/falling-bread-1

[glass jetty]

why this happening

i mean root obviously denied, same msg
i always wrote right password
why it happening regularly
some one just try bf password? for my login?

goodluck for them idk

i dont understand

that happens like for 5th time or so

[willow gale]

does some input method stepping in?

[glass jetty]

input method in what term?

[willow gale]

Like ibus/fcitx or smth

[glass jetty]

idk what is it, so might be not
it is same terminal always

same behavior

weird fuck

btw - my security lvl

[amber fractal]

edit, I played 13 rounds. started at 20, went up to 60, ended at 31. Shoutout to the 3 rounds in a row where I lost 10 chips each

[maiden geyser]

maybe logging in with a key should help?

[obsidian mantle]

is it legal to key map with a string

std::map<std::string, bool> actions_status{};

it will have ~20 entries

[true hemlock]

lmao

ig apple is still behind in the GPU side

[glass jetty]

its fine

for less then 100 you can use vector lul

[glass jetty]

if it is fixed 20 entities, and you not inserting something, use flat_map

[obsidian mantle]

i just want it mapped without bothering about positions

[glass jetty]

it just check for operator < or > (idk) and ==
thos operators for strings should return on first (char) mismatch

[rigid snow]

toast

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

not

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

fake fake fake

[olive sable]

I got refunded again for the 1K pc

I think its a dud

At least i have money again

[opaque wharf]

@sage crag
Patty
@opaque sigil

[sage crag]

@opaque sigil

@sage crag

[true hemlock]

huh

[olive sable]

Pc with a 3090

On vinted

I bought it, got auto-refunded after a week.
They made a new listing for the same pc, bought it again, got auto-refunded again

[obsidian mantle]

do llm tokens differ for caps/nocaps?

they surely can output both.. judging by neuro streams

but does it apply to the input

[amber fractal]

Toast Toast Bred

[rigid snow]

sounds like a game name

[amber fractal]

Toast bred sandwich

[maiden geyser]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toast_sandwich

[rigid snow]

i never even connected the dots in my head one could use houdini for making the 3d world in a game

this is gonna be fun

[fickle rain]

What are you doing to that poor sandwich

[glass jetty]

oh no

[rigid snow]

[glass jetty]

[rigid snow]

🔪

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

sama blog post

[amber fractal]

they are multiplying

[stark needle]

afaik m5 max is actually good now

[rigid snow]

people need to chill this ai shit isn't that serious bruh

[warped narwhal]

Is password Auth disabled? You might want to try public key Auth if you configured it

[amber fractal]

as we always say, some people have fallen for it

[stark needle]

lmfao

[amber fractal]

at least when it isn't a dog flooding a house

[stark needle]

bro using it as crypto loan or something idk

[olive sable]

vinted keeps the money while the transaction is happening

so its not even a scam

its a shitty seller

[stark needle]

yea usually all caps are 1 token per letter

[olive sable]

what is the context of this?

[true hemlock]

90K on same benchmark yeah, metal API is literally metal, M5 max only yield 16TF FP32

M3 ultra have double that number

raw compute wise and on some cases with rendering its still going to fall behind but damn the benchmark gonna be somewhat fire lol

m5 ultra with metal might actually hit 5080 level

probably not 4090 and 5090 level but for a soc its pretty cool

[true hemlock]

wtf is happening

[rough bloom]

Sam Altman had a molotov cocktail thrown at his house

[rigid snow]

someone threw a molotov at samas house and he decided to write a manifesto blog post instead of calling the police

[olive sable]

ooooh

sama = sam altman

[true hemlock]

why did someone do that

[rigid snow]

because ai bad duh

[true hemlock]

like, i'd admit i hate the sama guy with full passion i'd wish the worst for bro but, damn i'd not be that dumb to throw some lethal weapon at someones property like that

[obsidian mantle]

very weird indeed

[rigid snow]

never personally thrown one but seen someone do it, surely you'd have to be weak asl to make it bounce and not break on impact

[true hemlock]

not that altman is smart either why did he made a post instead of calling the authority lmao

[true hemlock]

😭 yeah

[obsidian mantle]

also weird that he doesnt have mega mansion with 100 bodyguards yet

[rigid snow]

not that many people do

the top 1% of the top 1%

[jovial remnant]

where is this information from that he didn't call police? I've seen report about the guy being already arrested

[true hemlock]

why the post though

[rigid snow]

he probably did call the police i'm just being dramatic because the post yeah

[true hemlock]

did y'all know he's actually not even educated enough in ML

[rigid snow]

hes a ceo i wouldn't expect him to be

[true hemlock]

honestly

that applies to like

almost every ceo of a tech company

[elder sundial]

gng what is vedal using for neuros trail effect during karaoke streams?

[rigid snow]

ceo = management role = majority soft skills

[rigid snow]

some shader he vibed out

it do be like that with shaders especially like this one, just throw stuff at the wall until it sticks

[elder sundial]

aw i see its really cool so i wanted to learn about it here after i couldnt find stuff on google

[amber fractal]

My best advice is to break it up into smaller pieces based on what you know, the shader is taking some past frame and modfying it into something new. It also seems to only be a single color and targets only some parts of the image, not all of them.

[sick owl]

Heads up folks, both Unsloth and Bartowski have updated their Gemma 4 quants again

And a bunch of fixes just get merged into llama.cpp

[opaque wharf]

Uhhh, maybe he didn't make it with the right kind of bottle

[opaque wharf]

Shader is as much art as it is tech. So you need to have a lot of foundational knowledge in both to be able to make good shader

[rigid snow]

wait no i've seen a molotov bounce, it was exactly this, a jager bottle

only broke the second time

[rigid snow]

shit's thick

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, cheap glassware is actually better for that kind of thing lol

[elder sundial]

okay i got something similar working js messing with the render delay and groupings

[olive sable]

ok

[glass jetty]

lol, password is only way i do login

[sage crag]

thats not true, i actually log in via yubikey which i love very much

[olive sable]

disabling windows fastboot did infact not fix my issue.
apparently on the x570 aorus ultra, enabeling Energy-related Products break the intel AX200 bluetooth and wifi controller due to the AX200 being bad

but, it is replaceable

so i will have to replace it i guess

Intel AX210 is an upgrade i think

[true hemlock]

a speaker is an upgrade i'd never thought i need

i just remembered i have a speaker i got for free from a friend

and i placed it on my new desk

now its my room's ambient bg/bgm

[olive sable]

bro does not know audio and it shows.
i have even have a subwoofer at my desk

[true hemlock]

its a decently high end speaker i think

bass is pretty good

but yeah, preferably not too much i don't wanna get noise complaints

[olive sable]

all my expensive audio stuff is at the back of the house cuz that part isn't connected to any neighbours

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile me with just some basic headphones in a single-family home

They work just fine tho, the worst I get is some buzzing when my 3090 works overtime

[drifting narwhal]

I literally only use a headset lol.

[olive sable]

what

thats not normal

if you have buzzing in your headphones when your 3090 ramps up, then your mobo is ass

[olive sable]

most of the time i also just use a bluetooth headset.
its mainly for movies and stuff that having 5.1.4 is cool

[nocturne olive]

Hem
Well that's what the said too so checks out I guess
It's just the cheapest possible Z690 board

[drifting narwhal]

I even have my phone set to silent 99.9% of the time unless some sort of headset or headphone is connected lol

[olive sable]

is that not pretty normal to have your phone set on silent?

[nocturne olive]

I am very much aware my motherboard sucks but I cannot afford a better motherboard because motherboards are expensive

[drifting narwhal]

As far as I know, 99.9% of people i see have it on loud.

I dont even have sound on for calls lol

[rigid snow]

mine is perma silent ye

[nocturne olive]

I don't know maybe I'll get a better one some day if I decide to swap CPU sockets completely

[rigid snow]

oh that's interesting, pressed the power button and the screen turns on with a progress bar and "iPhone will restart when update finishes" and then turns off after 10s

never seen that before, updating with the screen off

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

Sounds very Windows-y behavior, update when you're not looking

[rigid snow]

phones are smarter about it

usually

[true hemlock]

get used z690?

they're cheap

[rigid snow]

picks a time when you're not gonna be using it

[nocturne olive]

When I was getting this motherboard I did not even think about that
Also chances are Finnish used market prices are not that far off from what I paid for this one

[rigid snow]

also not forcing it, i had a "update ready, tap to restart" notification for a couple days now

updated houdini

how do i import gis data now

[olive sable]

the only thing left for theatre pc is mobo

for a 13400 i dont need a Z series mobo

but what if i did for upgrade path?

[true hemlock]

b series work fine.

[olive sable]

welp, i ordered an AX210

lets see for mobos rn

[rigid snow]

chatgpt i swear

i didn't even ask for code

this was what triggered it

[stark needle]

I tried to vibe code an apache beam pipeline but turns out gpt is complete shit

It keeps inventing it's own methods

And weird connectors

i told it to use proper beam batching to run vllm calls but no it implemented it's own ad hoc custom batching scheduler on top of vllm

[nocturne olive]

And Microslop is surprised when using that thing to make Windows makes Windows buggy?

[stark needle]

codex is literal slop

how can anyone use this

it keeps inventing its own solutions

maybe this is how it beats benchmarks

keeps re inventing it's own wheels

[nocturne olive]

Average LLM programming "assistant" when it proceeds to ruin your codebase

[fickle rain]

IDK, Codex works fine for me

Maybe Opus 4.6 is better than GPT 5.4 in some things, but you get better mileage from OpenAI 20€ sub than Claude 20€ sub

[glass jetty]

no wonder

i really hate ai

only useful one was opus 4.6

lmarena.ai no longer provide it for free so no ai at all

[opaque sigil]

opus likes to yap way too much it's pissing me off every time

imposter

[glass jetty]

i will not pay for slop that do errors in 5/6 of cases instead of just 1/2 for free

[glass jetty]

opus

1. can think long
2. can find own errors (correct if it actually wrong, weights are good idk)
3. somehow magically understand real logic (that fucking weird man even with good names most ai hallucinate shit but not opus)

and i mean it is useful not only for initial search, like any ai as tool do

it can properly sanity check code for errors

i already said here, since i started use opus after writing code, i became lazy and just do code - send to ai - relax a little - read what ai said and look back what i actually did
instead of do code - read it - fix obvious errors - run and see that it not works - do step by step for critical sections and see where i did not obvious errors

[sage crag]

i am toast and i really love ai

[glass jetty]

bipolar

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

no we're not

[glass jetty]

[sage crag]

compact mode

[glass jetty]

what is compact mode? something custom or builtin feature?

[sage crag]

builtin feature

[fickle rain]

It’s extremely unlikely Opus would change things for my usecase (vibe reversing and Python slop sometimes)

[opaque sigil]

i've found opus to be considerably better wherever creativity is needed

which is thankfully not what i need at all

[sage crag]

opus is a good audio codec

[opaque sigil]

true

[sage crag]

i like opus for medium bitrates

[opaque sigil]

i converted my entire flac library to 192k opus

[sage crag]

i converted by entire flac library to flac

(with extra storage)

[fickle rain]

I find extra autism to be good in rev

[glass jetty]

oh, that kind of phone sized thing
id better use default + 120% screen

i still use mp3

[nocturne olive]

I use FLAC or WAV for storage and then when I remote desktop I use 128K OPUS for audio streaming because VNC doesn't come with audio streaming
The audio has 2-3 seconds latency tho

[olive sable]

why is there so much toast?

[sick owl]

Upgraded my Gemma 4 MoE to Q8

Turns out I can fit it in on more or less the exact same settings with a few more layers offloaded at 60tokens/s

[stark needle]

what

[olive sable]

toast is toast
konii is toast
charaverk is toast
shadow is toast

[warped narwhal]

Am I toast?

[olive sable]

no

[warped narwhal]

Damn

[olive sable]

unless?

im assuming we're done with letterswap

[stark needle]

possibly

[warped narwhal]

Letterswap is so last week, we're onto toast now

[stark needle]

use fp32, go big or go home

[warped narwhal]

I wonder if there are models out there that use fp64

[sick owl]

I'm alright

[stark needle]

i did the no ping replies so you won't know i messaged you

[warped narwhal]

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1126496895246807123/1488042236993339483/6D972AD6C73A5B53D7A000B454B9E52A.gif

hi

im toast

[warped narwhal]

Hello toast, I'm toast

[sage crag]

hello toast

[stark needle]

Hello toast i'm 🔺Sam🔺 but i'm actually not Toast

[sage crag]

[warped narwhal]

Not toast?

SACRILEGE

You will be bread

[nocturne olive]

I doubt there's any public FP64 models because consumer GPUs have horrible FP64

[sage crag]

british

[stark needle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/melba-toast-my-beloved

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

hi toast

[glass jetty]

idk

[olive sable]

brrrr

[glass jetty]

for real
i just saw konii renamed to toast and did it too
and then just forgot for real

[glass jetty]

love this sticker
me irl 24/7

[tender river]

lot of toast in chat

where butter

[stark needle]

hi toast

[olive sable]

hi

[ebon basin]

Weekend you know what is coming?

Great A’Vira I'm fusion Stockfish with AlphaZero

As c++ 23 /libtorch with a custom lose fuction on top

[glass jetty]

c++23? are you kidding? not c++20? some one actually use c++23?

[fiery anchor]

c++20? are you kidding? not c++17? some one actually use c++20?

[sage crag]

large number

[maiden geyser]

c++17? are you kidding? not c++14? some one actually use c++17?

[glass jetty]

nah it is c++03 (dead now); c++11 or c++20

c++17 is like c++14 and c++14 is like c++11
basically only things changed is compiler/language usability stuff

c++17 feels like c++11

[tender river]

they all avoid this channel

[glass jetty]

like what is game changed between c++11 and c++17?

[tender river]

i wonder why

butter isnt used in programming

they have nothing to fear

[glass jetty]

nrvo? lol, no, just use move and remove only if compiler warn

what he fuck

i not even knew that this exist

lambda capture of *this

[opaque sigil]

i want to use c++23 solely for std::println

where's the support nvidia

[glass jetty]

like i list every thing i use in c++17:
compile-time if constexpr (== ifdef or SFINAE)
guaranteed copy elision (rely on it and not std::move() everywhere)
fold-expressions ( ... )
[[nodiscard]]
<any>
<variant>
<optional>
<string_view>
<filesystem>
// lol this exist https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/thread/hardware_destructive_interference_size.html
c++14:
std::make_unique
variable templates

ok there was changes in lambdas in c++14 about usability, but lambdas was usable as is; but templetes in lambdas is c++14 and it allow better variant syntax so there really a thing

erm, nothing else
and except lambdas (and maybe variadic templates but i not use them so much ( i mean i can do without them)) )there nothing i cant replace

[glass jetty]

man

say at least for std::expected

but not print

(there is tl::expected lib, and i use it heavily)

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

ive used c++23 before

i dont see whats the issue

[sage crag]

the ++ is so jarring

cpp23 is less jarring

[olive sable]

cyberpunkpunk23

[glass jetty]

cc23

[olive sable]

23 cubic centimeters

[glass jetty]

i mean really i see c++23 rarely mention
cuz c++23 is like c++14 or c++17
it is nothing compare to language changer standards

imagine ppl using just templates and objects and praising c++ in 98

[olive sable]

the whole point of c++23 is that its not like c++14 or 17 cuz they made changes to it

[glass jetty]

what?

in what way

c++ expected (that should've be in c++17) and some ranges changes

wait let me see list of changes again

[opaque sigil]

23 was one of the larger ones

[olive sable]

https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/23.html

[glass jetty]

[a,b,c] is nothting
self template is nothing // or is it c++20? never used idk why use this instead of CRTP or concepts in 99% of cases
explicit float type is nothing
no, there literally nothing

[olive sable]

shows list of new things
"this is nothing"

[glass jetty]

nothing like concept, ranges, coroutines,
erm... ah - modules, spaceship (finally), consteval, source_location,

source location can be replaced with a bit more verbose in c++11 tho..

[olive sable]

if you look at the changelog, there are a bunch of small things.
ofcourse they dont make huge changes cuz then it wouldnt be c++ anymore

[glass jetty]

coroutines and concepts are big changes

by stl also stop token and span

stop token can be code yourself it is like 300 lines of code idk, span is tcb::span for lower standards

wait, wtf? it is part of standard? never seen never used std::endian: big / little / native

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-boom-thoughts-anime-girl-boom-thoughts-gif-3847619567883703209

[glass jetty]

is c++26 finished? (by standard)

[opaque sigil]

no

[glass jetty]

c++26 will also be game changed with std::execution (cuz it will be standard and every one will use it) and reflection

there also things in c++26 but i forgot what else

i still not know reflection btw

and i guess i forgot how to work with std::execution

it is completely different sender receiver to qt

contracts - i also not know them but they sound good as idea

anyway

i gonna learn rust

once i finish watching anime

[glass jetty]

why this sticker, there not much info to remember/understand

[rigid snow]

if i were given the opportunity to press a button and immediately explode and remove a programming language from existence it’d be cpp

without a doubt

[vague sonnet]

you must be a jealous rust user

[glass jetty]

not php, java or python?

[rigid snow]

all 3 are good languages

[glass jetty]

or js

[rigid snow]

all 4

[glass jetty]

what

what

[vague sonnet]

python and javascript first picks for sure

[glass jetty]

prob

idk what is issue in knowing and using both rust and cpp

[rigid snow]

python should be exploded for its ecosystem but it’s still a nice language

[glass jetty]

only difference is that rust force you to functional programming style and babycare, while cpp dont, and you have to make guarantees yourself

i like cpp more then any other cuz in cpp there SO MANY WAYS to do stuff

that blow up for first tries but anyway

[opaque sigil]

[rigid snow]

that’s great in langs like js and python yeah because it won’t blow up

[vague sonnet]

c++ is great
feels amazing finally getting a job in it

[glass jetty]

in python you cant do big project

[rigid snow]

is this a joke what is this cpp fan convention

where’s the hidden camera

[vague sonnet]

sorry that we use a REAL programming language

[rigid snow]

above c btw

[glass jetty]

python is script language

like lua

[rigid snow]

[glass jetty]

js is awful language

but it works somehow

[opaque sigil]

what about, hear me out

they all suck

[glass jetty]

idk how fr, but it feels much better than python

[glass jetty]

fact

no doubt

[vague sonnet]

that should be a given, not a positive

[glass jetty]

everything suck

need pure assembly

or even just math

by hands

[vague sonnet]

just write raw binary

[glass jetty]

by brain

[rigid snow]

you’re saying cpp is a better language than c

[glass jetty]

yes it is better language

but c is base

[warped narwhal]

yes

[vague sonnet]

it's literally c but incremented
obviously it's better

[glass jetty]

c will never die

[warped narwhal]

but c will always have a place in the world

esp in embedded programming

[glass jetty]

cpp can be used in embed
just dont do stupid stuff and disable rtti

[warped narwhal]

become toast

[glass jetty]

(runtime type information)

[warped narwhal]

but what if I want my binary size to be 30x?

[glass jetty]

well, then use python

it will be x300

[vague sonnet]

you are what you eat I guess
and I undeniably had toasts for breakfast today
okay then

[warped narwhal]

oh, you need to be yellow as well

[vague sonnet]

bleh

[glass jetty]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071784467036913664/1485882623023906826/banana.jpg?ex=69db3687&is=69d9e507&hm=90ae4d273b1bcfd6b42768a841362d508cc8a87038335909a47b3db15c67fc66&=&format=webp&width=625&height=438

[warped narwhal]

<@&1077698091727200336> supremacy

[vague sonnet]

how much is 64gb of ram nowadays? I need an upgrade

[glass jetty]

<@&1077698091727200336> wtf how it even work

[opaque sigil]

yes

[warped narwhal]

doesn't ping, so you need to copy the role id manually

[warped narwhal]

how many organs would you like left over?

[vague sonnet]

the organs are not mine so I don't care

[rigid snow]

a js dev and a proud cpp hater made this poster, you might need to reconsider what you post..

[glass jetty]

🍌

[glass jetty]

i would be cpp hater myself if i wouldnt know language already

cpp is blown language as fact

and it is really easy using language structures to shoot your knee

[warped narwhal]

on a side note, my LTT screwdriver arrived today after 32 days in shipping

[vague sonnet]

if you have the skills c++ feels great to write in

[rigid snow]

Toast, Toast and Toast are typing…

[vague sonnet]

join us

[rigid snow]

nuh uh

[vague sonnet]

smelly

[glass jetty]

btw, no doubt, it is lvl of design cpp devs cant reach

[warped narwhal]

so just become toast and you won't have this problem

[glass jetty]

yeah

as i said already #programming message

[olive sable]

<@&1077698091727200336>

[glass jetty]

i broke discord ui, have to restart

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

banana count

approx

6060

[rigid snow]

that’s a lot of bananas

[sage crag]

close

[sage crag]

6142

[olive sable]

6142

[vague sonnet]

oh I don't have image perms RRAAAAAHHHH

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

can we check the other ones

i want to know if banana 2026 campaign was successful

[warped narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[sage crag]

do we have data from before the campaign

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324872678791975004/1486451477739470998/BA0787E2D73F28B11C5D8BF6AC8FF7B6.gif

[olive sable]

no

[warped narwhal]

I was already yellow so it doesn't matter to me

[maiden geyser]

total orange supremacy

[olive sable]

no

orange not banana

[rigid snow]

not banana nor toast

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[sage crag]

not toast

evilSMH

[rigid snow]

why should i be toast im not toast

[sage crag]

youre not toast

you can be

[rigid snow]

why would i

why should i

[vague sonnet]

no toast = no rizz

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/fubuki-confused-hololive-gif-18015941

[glass jetty]

idk

[rigid snow]

checks out

[maiden geyser]

i REFUSE to participate in a mass psychosis

[rigid snow]

not toast

based

[glass jetty]

but that funny

-# unless no one hurt

spinning egg make so funny noise

-# oh i just broke it

[warped narwhal]

why should you not?

become toast

become better

[maiden geyser]

become toast, be toast

[pseudo sluice]

hi

i am new

[stark needle]

welcome to #programming

[pseudo sluice]

thanks

[sage crag]

hello lop

[pseudo sluice]

hello

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

i ate hotdogs

[pseudo sluice]

i never tasted how does it taste

[olive sable]

like bread with ketchup and mosterd and "i cant believe its meat"

[glass jetty]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071784467036913664/1485882623023906826/banana.jpg?ex=69db3687&is=69d9e507&hm=90ae4d273b1bcfd6b42768a841362d508cc8a87038335909a47b3db15c67fc66&=&format=webp&width=1220&height=855

[pseudo sluice]

i am indian actually

[royal hearth]

Banana

[royal hearth]

Is this a limited-time offer or permanent?

[sage crag]

its the banana 2026 campaign

so, its valid for at least 2026

[olive sable]

cool i guess

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

tbh i dont remember who that is

[pseudo sluice]

hmm wbu

[olive sable]

waffle country

[glass jetty]

[olive sable]

everyone being named toast makes the .... is typing so confusing now

[glass jetty]

some one already said about Toast, Toast and Toast is typing

[pseudo sluice]

i dont name the toast

[sage crag]

wrrrr

[glass jetty]

you arent even banana

[sage crag]

ye

[olive sable]

we are toast

[sage crag]

not even banana

[olive sable]

we are banana toast

[glass jetty]

that gonna taste weird

[fast pagoda]

Gamerz nexus

Also pewter claw chalice

[royal hearth]

Nice cup

[fast pagoda]

Icup

[olive sable]

why does your phone in the reflection look so square?

[fast pagoda]

It made it w i d e

Pixel 10 pro xl [bass boosted] [maxi version]

[glass jetty]

ray tracing irl

who was doxed by mirror lately? was big scandal that i not follow

[olive sable]

some thai person sent an image ins ome shopping mall a week or so ago.
idk anything baout a mirror tho

[leaden crest]

toast cult?

I mean campaign*

[sage crag]

toast

today!

[olive sable]

Toast

[royal hearth]

Toast

[tender river]

pokemon

[olive sable]

Toast

Toast Toast

[leaden crest]

Toast

[glass jetty]

tsaoT

[olive sable]

can the real toast please stand up?

[vague sonnet]

we're all real

[leaden crest]

we’re all toast

[olive sable]

will the real toast please stand up?

[sage crag]

trim toasty

[patent shard]

NZXT giving refunds if you used their pc rental

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

its me

[olive sable]

[warped narwhal]

did you use their pc rental?

[patent shard]

Heck no

I personally think the company is a little questionable
They had product in the past that was causing fires and their response was less than adequate

[opaque sigil]

didn't that happen twice or am I misremembering

[stark needle]

i finally found a good postgres query explain visualizer😭

[royal hearth]

Why I can hear slim shady starting rap now

[opaque wharf]

What's wrong with the cli tho?

[stark needle]

It's annoying to see the explain as a raw dump of random sql code

[umbral wigeon]

npm install gta6

[mighty thorn]

Shit he cracked the code

[stark needle]

it

[mighty thorn]

it

[sick owl]

https://github.com/LostRuins/koboldcpp/pull/2118

Jesus christ

[leaden crest]

“i am no programmer” scares me

[umbral wigeon]

He vibe coded PR?

lemme check

[fiery anchor]

at least he is upfront about it

this scares me

[opaque wharf]

Using github is what scares me nowadays

[leaden crest]

wait hear me out

we all make burner accounts and generate total slop

reach the github data limit

then set the accounts to “yes, github may use my code to train ai”

[cosmic sphinx]

honestly, i might aswell vibe code a proper markdown table renderer for lmstudio atp
or some custom ui similar to google ai studio

the chat interface is so incomplete it disgusts me

[maiden geyser]

"lgtm"

[sick owl]

Would get nuked during dataset filtering

The frontier labs are pretty sophisticated at it

[fiery anchor]

AI poisoning is a well known thing

[proven merlin]

Userbenchmark:

[umbral wigeon]

he make rpc server with only ai?

[sick owl]

Yes, and that's precisely why you would get filtered out

You really think the guys making multi trillion parameter models haven't thought of this

[umbral wigeon]

in future i might seeing ppl using ai to pr me

[fiery anchor]

future?

[sick owl]

He made a deluge of slop

[umbral wigeon]

I checked the code, looks fine to me, but there is no unit test for it

Seems like it's a library/boilerplate for rpc server

[warped narwhal]

the reply from the owner is funny af

oh wow

[opaque sigil]

it's a draft pr tbf

[ebon basin]

even 13 lines this is a insane file

[silent cloak]

Fucking based

I encourage this

[jagged turtle]

bro vibecoded the entire PR including part of the description

[silent cloak]

"Make an account for me"

[jagged turtle]

bro just revert the change yourself 💀

[silent cloak]

"Grok, fuck up my git project please"

[jagged turtle]

It really sounds like they said to the worst AI possible, "Please change this to have RPC" and that's it

[silent cloak]

Change the text encoding on every source file to something other than utf8

[jagged turtle]

any good ai shouldnt be deleting license files

[silent cloak]

Yeah but u know how their companies feel about fair use and licensing

Simply a legal suggestion

[faint sandal]

gonna go implode now

draining my weekly quota trying to do this one thing

[nocturne olive]

Theory: LLMs are designed to seem competent enough but also incompetent enough that you end up wasting as many tokens as possible fixing issues

[kind nimbus]

User benchmark has always just been misinformation by some guy who hates amd and shills for Intel

[umbral wigeon]

I commented on his pr, seems like he doesn't have UI implem, so I ask him to use imgui or smth like that

Will he understand

Maybe he will just "Claude add UI"

[silent cloak]

literally the whole marketing

snake oil

[opaque wharf]

I on the other hand, encourage student that still learns to code to use github and do the same (agree for the code to be used as AI training data). After they're better at coding, move tf away

[opaque sigil]

if you make your code publicly accessible you should assume it'll be used for training regardless, either accept that or don't do upload it in the first place

[opaque wharf]

I make my repo private most of the time. Don't wanna people see war crimes after all

[silent cloak]

i need to get my git server back up

[umbral wigeon]

I like public repo, so ppl can research my Dinosaur fossils

[silent cloak]

most of my stuff is proprietary

or under NDA

[opaque wharf]

Is there a way to host the git frontend at VPS and host the actual file at S3 or some sort?

[silent cloak]

not sure there are a bunch of community github clones

[opaque wharf]

I know I use forgejo but I haven't tinker with it much besides installing it at my local network

[silent cloak]

Gitea is good too

[opaque wharf]

IIRC, gitea was forked and what becomes of it is forgejo

[silent cloak]

ill have to look into it

aint it a fork already tho

[olive sable]

I played satisfactory for nearly 5 hours today, and didnt even finish making the assembly line for the part i need

The game becomes so slow

[silent cloak]

dont ur gonna get me back into it

it took a while to get rid of that addiction