programming

[olive sable]

these are from the currently broken sticks

[rough bloom]

this would be good too

[rigid snow]

then when it works fine, put the rma’d ram in so it fries it so you can rma it again

[olive sable]

one of the sticks has broken bitlane ont he left, other one is on the right

[split steppe]

hmm, i wonder if the memory tests are going through virtual memory mapping though so you wouldn't know if it's the same lane, you'd ideally run something like memtest86 so it definitely goes directly without remapping

https://www.memtest86.com/

[olive sable]

thats what i used for the first rma

i might still have pictures from that

[rough bloom]

wrong one
https://www.memtest.org/

[split steppe]

great, i would compare that instead

whichever sam used originally should be used again for consistency

[olive sable]

this is from march 22 in 2025

form what i can tell this is a different issue tho

unless multiple bit lanes were broken here?

[split steppe]

gotta sit thru the whole test to know i guess

see you in 2 days time :V

[olive sable]

this is when i still had my hopes up for going above 3600. thats why its at 3733mhz

[split steppe]

what if you fried your slot by trying to overclock it

also what even is the point of overclocking beyond the xmp profile

[olive sable]

speed

[split steppe]

there's like barely any benefit though

[olive sable]

fasterer

[split steppe]

literally like 0.5% at best, you would never notice it

at the risk of instability or frying it

just upgrade to ddr5 lol

$1000 a kit

[olive sable]

upgradding to ddr5 would mean getting new ram, new mobo, new cpu, ...

id be broke as fuck

[split steppe]

yeah but it would be faster :'P

also reset your bios to defaults for good measure

since you were messing with clock and voltage

[olive sable]

ive reset it a bunc since then already

[nocturne olive]

No DDR5 on AM4

[split steppe]

ya that's what am5 is for 🙂

[olive sable]

this guy

[nocturne olive]

And what makes you think someone with maxed out AM4 is just gonna suddenly go AM5?

[split steppe]

man's hungry for more apparently, why else would he try to squeeze 0.5% more perf out of his souped up rig

[nocturne olive]

I mean free performance is free performance
I should try to see if I can put my RAM back up to 3800 without crashes
(I had both a CPU and RAM OC but I'm unsure which caused the instability)

-# My RAM stock speed is 3200

[split steppe]

nowadays that free performance literally isn't worth the effort

manufacturers give you overclock out of the gate that gets you pretty much all of it but stable

[opaque wharf]

Well, depends on how you put it. Some will say it is worth the effort to squeeze every ounce of performance that you can get

[split steppe]

the last inch just doesn't give you anything you can perceive

[olive sable]

yo umust understand

getting 33mhz extra

is like a whole 1000 fps more

[split steppe]

lul

[nocturne olive]

+600MT/s is not insignificant in mem bound tasks like Factorio

[opaque wharf]

I keep confusing factory io with factorio lol

[split steppe]

MHz is not MTs

MT doesn't scale with MHz

[olive sable]

MTs is litteraly just 2xMHz

[split steppe]

+600MTs would be huge of course, but it's not what you're getting when changing the clock

[olive sable]

because of dubble data rate

[split steppe]

no, because it still needs to be in sync with the cpu

it doesn't scale linearly

[nocturne olive]

I am aware and that is what I am measuring the overclock in

[split steppe]

if anything you can make it worse if you put the clock enough out of sync

[olive sable]

my 3600MTs ram runs at 1800MHz.
that is how it works

[split steppe]

that's on paper, not in practice when it needs to sync with the cpu

[nocturne olive]

Do note that memory syncing is not really important on Intel
Really only on AMD where the mem controller sucks a little

[olive sable]

thats what infinity fabric is for.
it runs at 1:1 on my mobo

you can set it to 2:1 if you're going to 4000 or so

[split steppe]

on amd yeah, which means it will correct itself towards a stable config and you will get an arbitrary clock target which might not even match what you configured

imo nowadays it really doesn't get you much, all software is so bloated as well

[olive sable]

im making my own software, which benefits a lot form extra ram speed

so it is worth it

[split steppe]

well great, you still get a million miles more perf out of better software than hw tuning

[nocturne olive]

Factorio is super well optimized and actually benefits from additional resources

[split steppe]

did you benchmark it on your system w and w/o overclock tho

[olive sable]

yes

[split steppe]

so how much better is it

[olive sable]

• 1000fps

[split steppe]

on what baseline

1000fps can be 0.00001ms

[olive sable]

125000 fps to 126000fps

[split steppe]

yeah that's stupid lol

[olive sable]

you're stupid

[rigid snow]

what's next, new cooler (no am5 bracket)? new case (no am5 boards fit)? new gpu (old one is agp/pci)?

[split steppe]

dude that's literally only a 0.8% improvement

[idle dune]

What's the convo I'm lost

[rigid snow]

might as well just move, whatever is frying the ram might be in the walls

[olive sable]

thats what we do it for

[rough bloom]

just buy newer, better PC that doesn't have the issue

[olive sable]

[split steppe]

you literally cannot perceive the difference lmao, it's within margin of error of straight up normal operation

i just don't get it

[olive sable]

i replaced the gpu, might aswell spend 600 on new mobo and cpu

[rough bloom]

you can perceive it by seeing the number go up

very important

[idle dune]

But how will I satisfy my inner racoon if my setup isn't all corporate e-waste

[rigid snow]

that's a YOU thing

[split steppe]

get a mac

[rigid snow]

not everyone has a racoon inside..

[olive sable]

never

i fucking hate mac

[rigid snow]

game dev student

[split steppe]

i'm actually tempted to get the neo

[olive sable]

the neo is fine for the price ye

but doesnt fit my needs

[idle dune]

I like macs. Solid hardware, bit pricey.

[rigid snow]

"fine"

[split steppe]

i need low end hw for perf testing usually, neo would be perfect for macos testing too

[olive sable]

i buy everything used. apple hardware doesnt go down in price well used

[idle dune]

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-strong-0p1sf-gif-20906166

[olive sable]

so the 1K laptops end up competing too, and those have gpus

[split steppe]

apple hardware doesn't depreciate the same either, it's incredibly good

[rigid snow]

you can get a used mac for way cheaper, i find macs depreciate faster than iphones/ipads

[olive sable]

only batteries depreciate over time, cpus stay pretty much as fast as they started

[split steppe]

i use a secondhand iphone 12 i got for like $120, cuz i got tired of androids, i literally have zero complaints after getting used to a couple os quirks

it's still blazing fast

people still use m1 macs also

[idle dune]

My 2015 Macbook Pro was 350. Still a very good machine but if you want modern security updates its either OCLP or Linux.

[rigid snow]

if it's ever slow either you have power saving mode on or battery is dead dead

[rigid snow]

me

i do not see a reason to upgrade, m1 is a good cpu

[idle dune]

[rigid snow]

graphics aren't that great but not my usecase

[split steppe]

which apple struggles with lol, they're trying really hard to convince people to switch

[olive sable]

for 500 i can find a Macbook air m1 16GB ram 512GB
or i can buy a MSI GL75 9SD gaming laptop which has worse battery, but every single other thing is better and faster

[idle dune]

Thats a them issue though. Because the M1 is so overbuolt thats its still good a half decade later. The later M series machines dont very meaningful upgrades.

[split steppe]

better on paper isn't necessarily better in practice, also depends on workload

the m1 would beat that gaming laptop anyday for me

[olive sable]

gamedev

the m1 sucks for gpu stuff against laptops with gpus

[split steppe]

i'd prefer the mac for gamedev also actually

[idle dune]

Or get a Thinkpad or Precision workstation laptop.

[idle dune]

Fair

[rigid snow]

yeah same spec airs are listed for 400-500 here

[split steppe]

i aint making AAA games, so if my game runs like shit it's actually my fault, the m1 mac has a good igpu

[olive sable]

i am

thats the whole point

[idle dune]

Godot?

[nocturne olive]

M1 absolutely suuuucks
We confirmed NeuroSynth functional on Apple silicon on an M1 but it takes literally 30 seconds to render the most tiny change

[split steppe]

if you are making AAA then you use a desktop lmao

[olive sable]

i cant take a desktop to my college

[rigid snow]

great value but i'd get the neo because better single core
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY the neo is CRAZY value
bro said "fine"

[split steppe]

different usecase, gamedev != ml

[olive sable]

doesnt fit my usecase

[idle dune]

Most big studios iirc have rack mounted dev machines with thinclients iirc.

[nocturne olive]

Still the M1 compute sucks

[rigid snow]

for ml surely you'd just end up remoting into your main rig no

[rigid snow]

[split steppe]

because you're using it for something it's not meant for at all?

[olive sable]

renderfarm ye

[split steppe]

man this screwdriver is bad for hammering nails

like bro

[rigid snow]

is baking that bad

that it requires a fucking renderfarm

[idle dune]

You cna find Precision R7920s being sold on now woth 64gb of ram, dual golds and whatever glu they forgot to remove for like 800 bucks

[olive sable]

i dont get what this whole convo is about.
i say i dont like macs because they suck for my usecase. which yall argue against.
but then yalla rgue agaisnt superbox that he shouldnt be using macs for ml cuz that doesnt fit the usecase

[rigid snow]

yalla rgue

[split steppe]

downside: literally ewaste

[olive sable]

not really

[split steppe]

you cannot reuse anything from these machines

[olive sable]

you can

[split steppe]

since when have they removed vendorlocks

[idle dune]

Also dual 1450w psu's and server fans. It will draw that power undergrad with a properly configed system.

[olive sable]

only the cpu is vendorlocked no?

[split steppe]

psu got custom wiring, mobo got cpu vendor lock no?

[idle dune]

The infinite dedication the homelab community has found many ways.

[olive sable]

idk about psu wiring. but the ram, gpus, hard drives and everything besides the mobo should be reusable

[idle dune]

Psu have custom wiring but the GPUs still have the same 6/8 pins.

The power delivery to the boards is whats proprietary not to the swap able hardware.

Same as any optiplex or consumer desktop in the last 20 years.

[split steppe]

meh i would just pick the normal components

the hdds from that rack are disposable prolly if there are any inside still

that would leave just ram and gpu to reuse

[idle dune]

Cpus too

[rigid snow]

i don't argue you should use a mac for gamedev, i sure wouldn't
what i would do is get a good, long battery life, easy to carry, most importantly that feels nice build quality wise laptop and remote into my workstation if i had to do AAA gamedev. i am not carrying around an MSI Raptor T-Rex Crazy Style X Blade Turbo Fan Jet Ear Ripper Titan 100000 Windows 11 x64 64GB RAM 2TB NVMe SSD RTX 5080. you can't make me
conveniently enough remoting solves most compute issues

[split steppe]

cpu/mb has vendor lock

[trim valve]

i feel like this would be a massive waste of power though

[idle dune]

https://tenor.com/view/not-from-a-jedi-palpatine-jedi-not-from-a-learn-this-power-gif-17298635

Wrong gif

[trim valve]

thanks discord for losing the reply

[trim valve]

that was for ^^

[olive sable]

this all falls appart when you realize there are 1000 people in my school using the same 100mbps network at the same time. so the wifi is dogshit and i cant remote into my dekstop at all

[idle dune]

You can* remove vendor lock in. Chinese parts resellers do it all the time.

I just dont know how

[rough bloom]

for ML I'd just remote into a big workstation for sure, there's zero reason to do that locally on a crappy laptop
for gamedev that probably still works but is much more annoying because now you're streaming video and as such have streaming latency and quality

[rigid snow]

tether from your phone

[split steppe]

probably because they manufacture the stupid things lmao

[olive sable]

concrete, dont work

i tried

[rough bloom]

mabe still worth it if you're mostly at your desktop and only sometimes need portability

[idle dune]

Those dual socketed ATX x99 boards are magical.

[rigid snow]

it's really not that bad, i would go as far as to say it is good for actual work, unlike gaming

[split steppe]

whats so special about em

[rigid snow]

i have 4k rdp sessions over 2mbps sometimes, it works. not for gamedev tho yeah

[idle dune]

I di all my game dev and project stuff on a Thinkpad P73. But i make Renpy and RPG Mker stuff.

[rough bloom]

it's not unusable
my experience with streaming is that the difference in quality and latency is very noticable though

[split steppe]

a variety of things, but i like control, so love2d or something custom usually

[idle dune]

They take old server chipsets and recycle them into motherboards for budget gaming pcs.

[rough bloom]

I can imagine that being an actual issue with graphics programming, wouldn't want to write a shader and not notice colors being inaccurate as shit or some undesired effect being present because you only ever see a heavily compressed version

I'm sure you can find ways around it, but annoying

[olive sable]

hmmm

should i get an epyc or threadripper?

[split steppe]

that's pretty neat actually

[rough bloom]

for what

[split steppe]

prolly threadripper, epyc you need custom servergrade mobo

[rough bloom]

same for Threadripper

[olive sable]

since the mobo needs to be replaced anyways

[split steppe]

threadripper is consumer grade though, and has more features

[rough bloom]

oh, have we reached that conclusion?

then ye, Threadripper better for desktop system

[idle dune]

Cheap as hell to. You can get this board thats designed for budget AI dev for like 100 bucks. Cpus are a dime a dozen. Ram still expensive though.

[split steppe]

i've got an epyc for a server, it's def not something i would use for a workstation

[rigid snow]

in quality? if you don't have constantly moving graphics (video, game) nah it's more than fine. compression picks up pretty fast
for graphics programming i'm pretty sure you can pick compression settings in some solutions e.g. parsec if you need color accuracy over bandwidth/framerate
latency i don't think is a factor here unless your workstation is on the other side of the world. even on 60 ping it feels pretty nice

[olive sable]

its either the mobo, or the cpu itself is killing the ram. eitherway i need to replace something

[idle dune]

Threadripper. Epyc is not meant for workstations.

Itll work but its better to.just get a 5000 series threaripper

[olive sable]

if i find one for a good price ill take it. otehrwise ill see if replacing the x570 works

[rough bloom]

ye, and all of this wouldn't be necessary if you just ran it locally
also if you think 60ms ping feels nice then we may have different definitions of nice

[idle dune]

Your nit really gonna get Threadripper or Epyc cheap. Most MB and CPU combos I see online are like 1.5-2k

[rigid snow]

for clicking uis or dragging your mouse in unity editor to move the camera which is what you're gonna do it does feel nice

[split steppe]

just getting another board would be cheaper lol

[olive sable]

for gamedev you spend maybe 0.1% of the time needing good display, the other 99%are spent looking at unity and blender's UI

[olive sable]

it would be, but why get another board for the same performance, when i could get another board and have better performance

[rigid snow]

it's commonplace to install cellular amplifiers/repeaters in buildings here, eu regulations probably don't let you do this

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

unauthorized

[rough bloom]

not a problem if you're only streaming every now and then I think
wouldn't want to use only streaming though

[split steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/gaslight-sama-gaslight-sama-neuro-sama-neurosama-neuro-sama-gif-7135809680163599091

[rigid snow]

my only issue with remoting from a mac is that i have to use ctrl as the modifier, not cmd - on a mac keyboard

gross

[rough bloom]

you should be able to get older chips like Zen 2 for way cheaper

but then obv. single-core performance suffers

a lot

[idle dune]

Yeah

[rough bloom]

barely worth using a Threadripper at that point

unless you really need the lanes

[split steppe]

ah yes, get gen 1 stuff for an already dead platform, why not

[idle dune]

Which most people dont.

[split steppe]

in todays news: man builds a supercomputer to play minesweeper

[idle dune]

Exactly

[split steppe]

"i need threadripper" says local man using 1 thread

[idle dune]

If different if you had a threwddripper hooked up to 4-5 compute gpus like a cluster of V100s or something.

Then you'd need it

Or 2 rtx 5090s

And pull half the power of new York state on boot

[split steppe]

i would think you can comfortably handle 2 5090s with a normal cpu

no need for threadripper

[rough bloom]

2x 5090s should still be fine with a normal consumer CPU

[idle dune]

Yeah

The power draw fir that much be crazy

[rough bloom]

you'd normally only have 8x to each, you'd need a Threadripper for 16x, but it's not really necessary with current PCIe speeds

the power draw of the cards doesn't matter for the CPU

[nocturne olive]

That's so many PCIe me wants
That could hold so many 3090s

[split steppe]

you could for sure cook something with 2x5090

is this a lot of lanes?

[nocturne olive]

2x5090 = 2x32GB = 64GB OF 2TB/s memory

[idle dune]

God damn

[nocturne olive]

That'd be an insane compute cluster

It would also need at least a 1600W PSU for sure

[maiden geyser]

comically long motherboard

[split steppe]

i eat my motherboard the long way

[nocturne olive]

Yes that is an excessive number of lanes

[idle dune]

I just wanna get a Ryzen AI Max+ 395 desktop for my AI stuff

Its not the best per dollar but its 145w.

[split steppe]

how do you feel knowing that i don't use any of them

[nocturne olive]

It's not really that great for AI
Unless by "AI" you mean run big LLM

[split steppe]

it's actually super good value if you max it with 128gb ram

[olive sable]

ye

not really any good threadrippers around

unless i pay 2k

[idle dune]

Thats what i was gonna do. Its like 4700 cad though for the Franework desktop. Same for the GMKTec Exo-x2

[novel hinge]

Ryzen 9 7950X3D :3

[idle dune]

It was mainly going to be my office and gaming workstation and booting up coding llms when I need them.

[nocturne olive]

Ok yeah
LLM inference it'll do fine in
For me though "AI" means doing big training runs like vocal synthesizers

[split steppe]

yea but a comparable spec atleast for inference would run you $10k at least, especially now

[olive sable]

im not sure i i would benefit from going to 7950x3d.
for gaming its better, and there's more single core speed. but for multi-core like blender id have worse

[split steppe]

it's probably not as good for training

[novel hinge]

Yea I mean I use my PC for gaming mostly

[idle dune]

No clue I have seen very much for training on the 395

[nocturne olive]

Eh, 6x 3090 has more than 128 gigs of memory already and it will probably be faster

[nocturne olive]

Can pretty generously assume each 3090 to cost about 600€ each

[split steppe]

a 3090 kind of costs >$1k, so 6x of them are already past the cost

[nocturne olive]

(overestimate by the way)

[split steppe]

600? damn where you get your parts

[rough bloom]

how do you possibly have worse multi-core on a 7950x (3D or not) than what you currently have

[idle dune]

I suffer from the devaluation of the maple dollar

[nocturne olive]

More like 550 from SamVanTriangle

[split steppe]

lol

[olive sable]

oh im dyslexic

apparently

[nocturne olive]

Belgian used market is godly

[olive sable]

i can get them for 700-800

rn

[novel hinge]

I think I'll keep my ryzen 9 for at least 5 more yrs

Its gonna be fine for the mainstream stuff I do ^^

[split steppe]

but also, not to mention you need the rest of the rig to plug them into

[olive sable]

i was thinking of the 7900x3d, which only has 12 cores

[split steppe]

if you can't plug all 6 into one, clustering is going to eat a shitload of perf

unless you got top end connectivity

[idle dune]

I have the cheapest power in Canada atleast

[olive sable]

i think if i go 7000 series id not be able to use ddr4 ram

[nocturne olive]

Not realllyyy
They support P2P which was removed in 40 series and up

[novel hinge]

DDR5 is better

[nocturne olive]

Should allow them to cluster themselves efficiently

[rough bloom]

I have both expensive power and expensive parts

[nocturne olive]

Correct

[rough bloom]

got lucky with RAM purchase time at least

[olive sable]

well ye, but i dont have ddr5

[nocturne olive]

AMn means only DDRn

[novel hinge]

Sad

I bought most of it in late 2022/early 2023

Well I dont regret it ^^ 64 GB of ram in my main PC is nice to have

[nocturne olive]

I'd soo want 128 gigs to stop running out of memory

Just yesterday I had an OOM

[novel hinge]

How would you even use 64 GB?

[split steppe]

i'll take "what is swap" for 500 alex

[novel hinge]

I dont have any idea except AI stuff

[nocturne olive]

Because JavaScript inherently leaks memory

[split steppe]

js can die in a fire

[novel hinge]

Yea its known for not being very efficient lol

[split steppe]

js is second worst language after c++

[nocturne olive]

True
Kill JS, return to native

[idle dune]

I have to learn JS if i want ti make a RPG Maker MV game.

[split steppe]

64 gb can run one outlook instance on a good day

[rough bloom]

wdym "inherently"

it's garbage collected

[novel hinge]

My phone has only 2 GB of RAM T . T

[novel hinge]

Microslop efficiency

[split steppe]

gc has a ton of edge cases where memory cannot be freed

it's always best effort

[rough bloom]

also in no way does a JS runtime require 64 GB of RAM

[nocturne olive]

Well clearly not working because Discord, Google, YouTube, GitHub, they all leak memory

[novel hinge]

Same thought

[split steppe]

i have youtube regularly go insane and consume all my memory

and some others

[nocturne olive]

Then explain Discord going OOM yesterday when I was just swapping channels?

[rough bloom]

well yeah, if an object is still live then it won't be collected

[rough bloom]

doesn't do that for me

sounds like a you issue

[novel hinge]

I restart my PC every 7 days at max so it doesnt happen to me

[novel hinge]

yea fr hes acting like this is common T . T

[split steppe]

"live" is a relative term, ```js
let a = {};
let b = {a};
a.b = b;

[rough bloom]

I wouldn't be surprised if Discord and other bloated web apps have some memory/resource leaks
but that:

• is not a JS problem, same thing happens if you wrote everything in C and forgot a free()
• is easily mitigated by restarting every once in a while

[novel hinge]

%0|%0

:3

[rough bloom]

AFAIK this will be collected just fine, assuming that one of these objects doesn't become a GC root or is referenced by one

cycles are an issue with refcounting, not with GC in general

[split steppe]

it's an illustration, there's tons of issues that stem from that simple fact, because the gc at some point has no idea whether if it's allowed to collect it, and it can cascade through the entire set if you write shit enough code

people suck ass at memory management nowadays, i regularly see websites using 1G ram to display even plaintext

[rough bloom]

yeah no I still don't see it

[novel hinge]

Discord is at 1,34 GB rn

[rough bloom]

please give source or example for this

[split steppe]

like, basics of gc you mean?

[rough bloom]

sure

[nocturne olive]

pxls.space when they use 3 gigs of VRAM after loading the page

(it goes down after a while)

[sage crag]

gc algorithms when they're actually smart and not defeated by trivial mutual ownership

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1327142377139343430/1486773213190029444/doc_2026-03-25_19-13-27.gif

[rough bloom]

almost like it's been a thing for decades and is in use everywhere

[split steppe]

gc algorithms when they need to be reinvented every 3 years because they keep leaking memory

https://tenor.com/o7qxVAFlt9X.gif

[sage crag]

leaking memory is a problem for people who dont have 10tb of ram

[split steppe]

modern algos reduce the trivial cases, but that wasn't my point, there's a ton of places in the browser where you can accidentally create cycle-like structures that never get freed, or other dependencies

[rough bloom]

best Java GC is Epsilon

[sage crag]

best java gc is Uninstall Java

it installed on every machine that has java

[nocturne olive]

How good is it and should I figure out how to use it?

[shrewd cloak]

😭

[split steppe]

best java gc is only 200 configuration flags away

[rough bloom]

can't use it

[nocturne olive]

Wa

[rough bloom]

your machine isn't worthy

not have 10 TB of RAM

[nocturne olive]

Em

It needs 10TB RAM?

[rough bloom]

ye

[nocturne olive]

That isn't a very great GC

[rough bloom]

it is

[sage crag]

[rough bloom]

0 performance cost

fastest GC possible

[sage crag]

ye

[olive sable]

why collect garbage form java, when you can just garbage collect java itself

[nocturne olive]

Oh is it the same as "GC off"?

[sage crag]

[rough bloom]

[split steppe]

best Go gc is allocating 10gb ram so it stops collecting garbage https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2019/04/10/go-memory-ballast-how-i-learnt-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-heap/

[sage crag]

in 2078, latest java garbage collector deletes programmers brain

[olive sable]

[shrewd cloak]

Programmers in 2078?

[split steppe]

2077 you mean

[sage crag]

no

[split steppe]

https://tenor.com/bYjth.gif

[sage crag]

2077 is trademarked

[shrewd cloak]

[olive sable]

delete the user, they're the one causing all this garbage that needs to be collected

get rid of garbage at the source

[split steppe]

https://tenor.com/kvuAISVWyKg.gif

[kind fable]

Lesgoooo, it's Vulkan time
https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-26-2-snapshot-1

[olive sable]

already?

that was quick

[sage crag]

its a small feature list

[olive sable]

they must have been workign on this before the announcement

[kind fable]

Yes

It's been a while

[nocturne olive]

Or it's LLM gen code

[split steppe]

oh nice, can't wait to try it 2 years later when my mods and resource packs update :V

[sage crag]

rip all existing graphics mods

especially rip vulkanmod

[kind fable]

We know cause they shared conversations in the VV server

[kind fable]

Sodium was already working on it before it was out

[split steppe]

sodium is p good gotta say

[kind fable]

And resource packs won't need any update unless they abuse unsupported unstable features, aka core shaders

[olive sable]

i hope they implement mesh pipeline instead of traditional render pipeline

[split steppe]

nah for RP it's mostly because new shit keeps getting added that also always somehow breaks the old textures

[kind fable]

W nvidium to be available on all GPUs thanks to mesh shaders not being exclusive to nvidia unlike OpenGL

I genuinely have no reason anymore to go NVIDIA

[sage crag]

moltenvk is pretty big for macos performance right

[kind fable]

Not really

It's good for all other users tho

[split steppe]

moltenvk is only used because apple refuse to support vulkan for whatever dumb reason

[nocturne olive]

Wait did MC seriously prefer iGPUs over dGPUs on OGL?

[kind fable]

Because MacOS was holding back everyone from newer OpenGL features

[sage crag]

more like it had no strong preference

just use whatever gpu the os gives you i guess

[kind fable]

No
It just didn't force dGPU

[olive sable]

opengl depends on the system power settings iirc

[nocturne olive]

Hopefully Minecraft won't decide to suddenly run on my 3090 cluster for some reason rather than the 4070Ti

[kind fable]

So nvidia had to do their executable detection shit by example

[olive sable]

you had to do some shit to force dgpu

extern "C" {
    __declspec(dllexport) DWORD NvOptimusEnablement = 1;
    __declspec(dllexport) int AmdPowerXpressRequestHighPerformance = 1;
}

[kind fable]

You can still force it anyway i think

[split steppe]

eh? can't you just set it in system settings?

[olive sable]

you can with power settings

in nvidia app you can force it im pretty sure

[nocturne olive]

Well probably, if I can somehow determine where to place regular command line arguments for Minecraft because right now I need to prefix the run command with a bunch of garbage to guarantee it to run on the dGPU

[split steppe]

you also can set it for the program since win10 afaik

[rough bloom]

this is for games or other programs to indicate that they want the high performance GPU
as a user you can override it of course

[kind fable]

Just set it through the nvidia drivers ???

[nocturne olive]

What do you mean?

[split steppe]

in the nvidia driver config also yea

[nocturne olive]

I need to do __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD_PROVIDER=NVIDIA-0 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia %command% in order for games that by default run on the 3090 to run on the 4070Ti

[split steppe]

if you're on linux it's a bit rougher

[kind fable]

Oh Linux

[rough bloom]

you should

use Prism Launcher

[kind fable]

If you're on Linux the problem is nvidia

And if on windows, just configure the driver

[split steppe]

nvidia is so ass on linux

[nocturne olive]

Why tho? It's so annoying to have to log into Minecraft on another thing

[rough bloom]

has option for setting environment variables

[nocturne olive]

Oh I see

[rough bloom]

also no need for another launcher since Prism Launcher does everything

[split steppe]

also doesn't the default gpu depend on which slot it's in?

[kind fable]

Or use nvidia profile inspector

Also Prism Launcher is just so good

[nocturne olive]

I assume it can't just borrow the session from an already installed launcher

[kind fable]

So yeah

[split steppe]

it shouldn't pick your 3090s over your main card unless it's slotted first afaik

[kind fable]

It can import yes

[nocturne olive]

Nope, it depends on what software I run (and RNG I guess)

[kind fable]

Depending on what you used before

[rough bloom]

not easily I think?

[split steppe]

weird

[nocturne olive]

Opus Magnum: 3090 by default
Portal 2: 4070Ti by default

[umbral wigeon]

Nivdia ceo said the number of software engineer will increase

[nocturne olive]

Then it'd be a complicated swap

[kind fable]

What launcher do you used before ?

[umbral wigeon]

https://youtu.be/N_wq9OV4T4c?si=zIClV9e9SDuGwDCQ

[nocturne olive]

Default launcher (Linux version)

[kind fable]

The swap is literally just moving folders

[kind fable]

Just move the folders then

[nocturne olive]

Em
I meant moving the login

[kind fable]

I mean technically you could as it's stored as plain text

But it'd be so convoluted

The login is clicking the button add account and clicking OK in your browser

[nocturne olive]

I am not logged in on browser

[kind fable]

OK and typing your email, password and 2fa code in your browser

[nocturne olive]

It's unfortunately a little more complicated than that for me
Can't be bothered to explain

[kind fable]

Bro stole tokens and want to log with them smh

[kind fable]

MoltenVK bogue if not on newer Apple stuff lmao

[sage crag]

i was thinking about nvidia and was confused

but i realised its because of "nouveaux messages"

french

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1327142377139343430/1486773213190029444/doc_2026-03-25_19-13-27.gif

[kind fable]

Hey language it's Fr*nch, please don't swear

[sage crag]

franceish

frankish

old frankish

[opaque wharf]

Farank

[wispy pike]

regardless of whether or not an AI is a real person I find this pretty disgusting tbh

like using this should be an instant ticket to hell in the afterlife, however hell does not exist

[split steppe]

man's trying to keep a clean record for when ai takes over

[icy wedge]

oh me too for thinking it's funny

I am definitely bound for the fires

[wispy pike]

that's not my motivation actually

[split steppe]

machines should be working

[sage crag]

its edgy

[azure lynx]

this is how people used to treat people they didn't consider people. it dehumanized them and made people act cruelly without thought. it's disgusting.

[icy wedge]

okay my better judgment has taken hold

I now regret posting it

[split steppe]

yall do realise that the industrial revolution in large part also allowed us to get rid of slavery

i think it's a fine joke

[ember hound]

my 9-5 job is mordern slavery

[split steppe]

we can finally stop abusing people because there's machines to abuse

[azure lynx]

so we shouldn't bring it back.

[ember hound]

especially when its onsite day,

[umbral wigeon]

How much ram does neuro eat

[split steppe]

https://tenor.com/Ok3k.gif

[icy wedge]

the industrial revolution was hell on earth before worker's rights and unions

[split steppe]

sure, and it was even worse before

having a 1000x force multiplier is quite a boon

[icy wedge]

my point is the people doing the revolutionizing were not doing it in order to end slavery

[split steppe]

need not have been, but i doubt it would have happened without it

yknow, the whole cheap mass labour thing that doesn't ask questions (or they die)

[icy wedge]

okay I can see where this is going and before it gets there, I'll just namedrop Pinkertons and be done with it

[split steppe]

i don't mean just USA

[kind fable]

You find what ???

I'm so confused

[split steppe]

there was a post of someone whipping claude code

[kind fable]

Trying to back read and i'm absolutely lost

Ah

Me when i don't have my MessageLogger

[split steppe]

so people started moralizing about it being inappropriate

[kind fable]

Lmao

Me when Claude code be like bunch of regexes

It's not like when invented AI to guess user sentiment

[split steppe]

me when computer

[kind fable]

That's why my shit isn't behind cloudflare

[split steppe]

cloudflare is a protection racket

[kind fable]

Cloudflare is a way for your server to be randomly inaccessible

[split steppe]

instead of improving internet architecture to make DoS harder, we decided to centralize into unstable gardens which half the time cause the same DoS

[kind fable]

The problem is it's centralized

Yeah

[trim valve]

cloudflare is a way for me to host my discord cdn un-expirer :3

[kind fable]

Wait a minute

I must know you

Mmmmmhh

Weird

[split steppe]

cloudflare: we stopped a singular 7TBps attack
also cloudflare: we took half the internet down five times in three months

[kind fable]

If i had a penny each time someone made a discord cdn unexpirer i'd have 2 pennies
It's not a lot, but it's weird it happened twice

Or something like that

[kind fable]

Me and the boys torrenting Linux ISOs, our network never fall down

[kind fable]

Btw my server has a guaranteed 100% uptime
Except when i have to take it down because somehow i broke my shit which allow me to host everything on the same IP and port because guess what an IRC is way harder to run than one imagine

[split steppe]

how is irc harder to run? isn't it like dead simple?

[trim valve]

I mean it's a useful tool

it keeps randomly getting use which is funny

[kind fable]

Yes i have both the ssh (sshd), http (nginx), minecraft-java (fabric), irc (i forgot which one i have tried multiple) and also more custom stuff, all available on the same IP on port 443 which bypass most firewalls because for some reasons many don't do DPI on 443 because "there is too much traffic"

[kind fable]

Depends the coverage of the spec you want and the server you choose
And like the IRC server sometimes needs to have services and shit and like they don't all agree on what to use so you have choice and it's hard to know exactly why one thing is bad or not and also i think i had fucked up stuff cause i kept working on it at 3AM

[split steppe]

there is too much traffic
that and people would be upset when they can't access internet anymore when the isp makes a config error with it

[kind fable]

No i don't mean the ISP, i also mean school network and companies

[split steppe]

that too

also not even sure dpi works with quic anymore?

[kind fable]

You can try julienraptor01.ddns.net:443 if you want for minecraft it should bypass firewalls
Because all they do is block port 25565 in outbound

[kind fable]

Depends

[kind fable]

Also it should be available on 25565 too but i think i enabled a firewall rule temporarily which block it

[split steppe]

i guess if you run with extensions it might get a bit hairy

[kind fable]

Always makes me laugh

[split steppe]

ew oracle

[kind fable]

It's free so i'm literally costing them

[split steppe]

damn

hey if it costs them go right ahead

[kind fable]

XD

Some people were like ew how can you use it and when i told them look if you use it then they have to run a server for you they were like waaait a minute

[split steppe]

something i realised recently is that one big server is worse than multiple small servers

pretty much entirely because when you need to upgrade the os you have to restart, and that's downtime

with multiple servers you can migrate the workload across as you upgrade

but also i kind of miss olden days when you could be down half the time and it was fine

[kind fable]

You don't tho

Unattended upgrades

Unless you mean the kernel

[split steppe]

the kernel and core libs like libc, ld, etc need reboots

[kind fable]

Yeah but like it's not like it's updated often

And even that when you do it it doesn't take long

[split steppe]

kernel gets patches like every week or two weeks

[kind fable]

Me when i'm on debian

[split steppe]

i think that's most nowadays

i run vms so actually the main reboot is a whole lot of reboots

still wondering how i could work around it, an idea i had was having an immutable base system i do nothing on, then two L1 vms i can migrate L2 work between them

that's kinda jank tho

[kind fable]

I'm not a fan of VMs

Nor containers and stuff

[split steppe]

i want full isolation and easy management for my persistent services so i go with vms

[trim valve]

I mean you still can be, just don't listen to the serial complainers

[split steppe]

with vms i can be reasonably sure that if one service gets pwned it's not my whole system

[split steppe]

just tell em you're using cloudflare :V

[trim valve]

I wonder if you can setup a CF rule to rewrite gateway timeouts

[split steppe]

i don't think so unless you're on enterprise

[kind fable]

Now i checked it work
Also i have a single IP yet i have multiple mc servers on that same IP and port
You can join them via anything that match this regex

(?:hub|survival|creative)?\.julienraptor\.ddns\.net(?:(?:80|443|25565))?

[trim valve]

[split steppe]

afaik there's a hardcoded timeout for plebs

[trim valve]

I mean fair enough

[kind fable]

Pawn my whole system and i'll just be happy and have one more blog post to write
But yeah i'm not entreprise

[trim valve]

most people should avoid waiting 3 business days to give a response

[split steppe]

is ddns.net any good btw?

[trim valve]

in my experience it was fine

[kind fable]

I mean noip is free

[split steppe]

i currently use a custom proxy vps

[kind fable]

So yeah

You have to renew each month

But if you know how to do browser automation, that's not an issue

And also the mail they send is unmissable

And it's just clicking yes yes

[trim valve]

its just a free subdomain

[kind fable]

Also it's wildcard

Soooo

Yeah

[trim valve]

oh that's neat, I don't think it used to be

[kind fable]

Technically it's not

But their UI is bugged

[split steppe]

lol

[kind fable]

So you can enable it

[split steppe]

well the only thing i would want is the ability to use all ports

[kind fable]

Tho i'm gonna buy some domain at some pont

[kind fable]

You can ?

Why couldn't you ?

[split steppe]

was just wondering since some of the ddns services limit it

[kind fable]

You can't do anything like TXT and SRV records and shit

But that's why we have virtual hosting

sslh on top

[split steppe]

that's fine, i have an actual domain, i just need to expose my home server

i can cname it to the ddns one

[kind fable]

(i'm gonna do a PR to sslh so we get a minecraft-java probe at some point when i consider my C code to be good enough)

[split steppe]

hmm

[opaque wharf]

RAM Prices too high? Just make your own!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfSO-LCKmrA&t=56s

[split steppe]

actually, no, i forgor for a second why i'm running a vps intermediate, i need to protect my actual home ip

i need a public ip that isn't my home ip that traffic gets routed thru

[opaque wharf]

Well, he did clean his room

[kind fable]

I mean is it a problem tho ?

At worst, if you get DoS'd just unplug router, wait a bit, replug and new IP

[opaque wharf]

Some ISP do give out static IP

[split steppe]

if i do become a target i can decouple the vps, my home ip never becomes visible

[kind fable]

Sure

[split steppe]

also i don't think my isp would be happy that i taint one of their IPs

[kind fable]

Then i mean you could use smth like oracle cloud free tier as your reverse proxy

[opaque wharf]

Yeah this is usually the biggest issue lol

[kind fable]

Just have it in front with it having the public IP and use it to forward it back home

[split steppe]

what are the limits on free tier?

i need several TBs of inbound and outbound traffic a month ideally

[trim valve]

what poor service are you hosting from home

[opaque wharf]

If you only need HTTP then just use cloudflare

[split steppe]

a 128 core, 128gb ram, 8tb redundant nas system with several vms

[opaque wharf]

They even support HTTP/2 and gRPC

[split steppe]

i need all ports

[kind fable]

Idk exactly about that
You can get 4 arm cores 24GB ram 200GB of fast storage, but for networking idk i'll check

[split steppe]

18tb from the sound of it

[opaque wharf]

Well, Cloudflare don't care what ports you're using. As long as the traffic is HTTP

[split steppe]

yeah and half isn't http 😛

[opaque wharf]

The max upload size is limited to 100Mb tho

[trim valve]

how did you come to that number

[split steppe]

cloudflare does enforce 80 or 443 port

[split steppe]

18,000 GB hours per month for free
i assume it's transfer

[opaque wharf]

I don't think so. That is only true if you want to use their SSL IIRC

[split steppe]

maybe, but i don't want to use them anyway

[opaque wharf]

And you don't have to. They support full strict SSL IIRC

[split steppe]

yeah i use them daily at work

[trim valve]

you assume wrong

that is in reference to ram

[split steppe]

my usecase is different anyway

[kind fable]

Is 10TB enough for you ?

[split steppe]

what about inbound tho

10tb outbound is more than enough

[rough bloom]

inbound is pretty much always unmetered AFAIK

[split steppe]

wait what's that 10mbps

that's ass if that's the bandwidth i get

[kind fable]

It doesn't mention
https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/

[rough bloom]

oh, it is Oracle

ye then it's unmetered/unlimited

[split steppe]

seems like it ye

[kind fable]

It's for something else, it's for the load balancer

[kind fable]

Didn't think of looking there but yeah

[split steppe]

it could be that you always have a LB in front, thru which traffic gets to you

[kind fable]

Why tho if you have a single server behind ?

[split steppe]

i meant that their infra could be set up that you cannot have it any other way

[kind fable]

What do you mean

You know you have a compute instance

You can install what you want on it

[split steppe]

they don't seem to specify the network speed elsewhere apart from a separate FastConnect product

[kind fable]

You can install a load balancer on the compute instance

[split steppe]

it's not about the compute instance, it's about their network infrastructure outside of the compute

their VCN

[kind fable]

I don't get you

I don't have any load balancer in front

And you only have a single free one

But you can have more than one if you pay

Maybe

[trim valve]

oh yeah iirc oracle has a tendancy to term freeloading accounts unless you make it look like you might pay

iirc you need to move off the free plan but then stay within the free limits

[kind fable]

They do not

That's bs of people misunderstanding

[trim valve]

they have in the past

:3

[kind fable]

You need to have a load on your server

If you don't they terminate it

People would go months without having load

If you literally install an nginx or something like that and 443 exposed then you're good, you have enough load and Oracle doesn't terminate you

It's been multiple years that i have oracle cloud

It's written in the terms and shit

[trim valve]

idk I've seen it happen to people who were hosting stuff

though that was aaages ago

[kind fable]

Also if you switch to pay as you go, but stay in the free bounds, it's banco

Because you're now a "customer" and not a freeloader

Even if you don't pay anything

Because they could charge you

But what you can do is just set a limit of budget of 1 dollar or one cent i forgot

And set the trigger warning to 0.01% or smth like that

[split steppe]

hm

[opaque wharf]

To be honest my only ick about that is that it is ORACLE lol

Otherwise, that offer is indeed fire

[split steppe]

meh i'll keep paying for my hetzner instance, it's not that much

[trim valve]

tbh I don't see the issue if its free

like sure it gets a bit of company exposure, but idk how much thats outweighed by hardware costs

[kind fable]

I mean yeah it's oracle and sadge but i mean free is free

And i can't refuse free shit

Can you imagine that i basically have a reasonable powerful server accessible easily which is free

That could cost hundred if not thousands

[opaque wharf]

No, what I meant is that ORACLE is a very litigious company unlike say Amazon or Google

[kind fable]

I mean unless you do some shit like hosting a tor node or exposing leaked shit stupidly they won't take you down

[opaque wharf]

I know man, that's why I said that the only ick I have is that it is ORACLE lol. Install MySQL by mistake and maybe next year you have to license it

[kind fable]

Me when i use mariadb

Also i wiped the OS by basically creating ramfs and moving the system on it then live switching and then dd installing debian iso on the disk

Debian is not offered normally

But when you know Linux enough, you're all good

look at that magic trick

[opaque wharf]

Shame that it can't change boot entry/parameter lol

[idle dune]

Linux nerds

test something for me

[kind fable]

Test what

[idle dune]

Layna Lazar had a custom cursor pack made and its super cute. But it only works on Windows. I made a x-cursor version and I want to know if it works for other people or if It Works On My Machine ™

[opaque wharf]

Removing french language pack

[rough bloom]

the kexec in question (assuming you mean kernel cmdline parameters)

[split steppe]

oh that's very easy rm -fr / will remove the french from your system

[kind fable]

I've done the joke alr

[idle dune]

forgot the ./

[split steppe]

nah it's very important that it's /

[opaque wharf]

I just want to know if it would be possible to distro-hop to something like arch lol

[split steppe]

without the dot

[idle dune]

[kind fable]

Yes

It's always possible

Just be ready for enough shenanigans

[rough bloom]

real Arch is impossible since AFAIK it doesn't support Arm
Arch Linux Arm should work though

[opaque wharf]

Better yet, /* because / will trigger the safeguard IIRC

[kind fable]

True true

[kind fable]

Does it ?

Oh wait

[opaque wharf]

Yep

[idle dune]

Lemme test that

[kind fable]

You forgot no preserve root

[opaque wharf]

Yes, that's the safeguard

[kind fable]

So you also remove the french language pack from root

rm -fr --no-preserve-root /

[split steppe]

unfortunately the french are required for the system to work

[kind fable]

no no you can work without

[split steppe]

you may experience problems if you delete the french

[crisp marten]

0101010101

add that at the end and it should worl

[azure lynx]

0x155 is too big for me to understand. it doesn't utf-8 properly but maybe it's "☺U"?

[olive sable]

[kind fable]

when mojang java devs literally leave shit in so modder have an easier time
it's quite an era

[kind fable]

try UTF-16 in case they're on windows

[kind fable]

impossible to fill until years sadly

[fiery anchor]

that might be your issue

[nocturne olive]

Hem
There appears to be something that looks like a broken off component spot

Like, an exploded capacitor

[olive sable]

Either explod, or i knocked it off by missing the ram slot

[nocturne olive]

Well that may be why the RAM can't run stable at rated speed and also breaks a ton

[opaque wharf]

Blown caps lol

[kind fable]

oh wait i hadn't noticed

[rigid snow]

that just looks like it's knocked off

[opaque wharf]

Looks exploded to me

[kind fable]

it's cut in two lmao

[rigid snow]

ok maybe exploded

[opaque wharf]

Need more detailed pic Sam

[kind fable]

it's detailed enough

open original

[opaque wharf]

Because if it's exploded, it could be the mobo problem

[rigid snow]

here's your reason to get a $1000 phone

[kind fable]

or use discord plugin to get original res

[rigid snow]

so you can macro pcbs

[olive sable]

I dint have 4k DSLR

Im using macro lens

[rigid snow]

it's not and the res is shit

[olive sable]

Gimme sec

[kind fable]

browser does smoothing but still

[kind fable]

res is way good enough

it's very clear

[rigid snow]

guy who thinks it's 2015

[opaque wharf]

Yeh, the problem is I can't determine if the gold color is from the leftover of explosion or exposed trace

[rigid snow]

or girl mb for assuming actually

[kind fable]

i mean they can use the macro objective and stuff

[true hemlock]

peeled.

[kind fable]

i'm fine but it's guy

[true hemlock]

smt caps do not explode

[opaque wharf]

It does burn tho

And after burn it would crumble

[true hemlock]

if it burns it'll leave dark marks

[kind fable]

this just look like whoops i stabbed next to the slot surely it won't cause any issue

[opaque wharf]

Doesn't help that the mobo is dark

[nocturne olive]

At least one thing is obvious: le capacitor is gone

[opaque wharf]

Wrogn replu

Why tf is my typing this bad

[kind fable]

just put some copper and melt it and you good :copium:

[olive sable]

I think it got knocked off

Its flat

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I don't see burn marks either

[kind fable]

ok this one is bad tho i agree

[opaque wharf]

The

[opaque wharf]

The "gold" colour are exposed PCB and not from leftover burned caps

[nocturne olive]

A capacitor does not behave the same as a short circuit

[opaque wharf]

So you may still be able to save the motherboard if you have the expertise to repair it

[olive sable]

Um

I dont

Nor doi know what cap to replace it with

[rigid snow]

glm-5.1 out

[true hemlock]

mf i've been working with smt soldering

how dare y'all to not trust me its not burnt at first

[olive sable]

Do you want me to send it to you?

[opaque wharf]

Hey, I work with small PCB too but not just computer so I am more skeptical

[glass jetty]

guys

i gonna learn rust

[kind fable]

just gotta send it back to the manufacturer saying you recieved it broken if you're still in warranty period

[true hemlock]

heyyyy i don't mind some free hardware

its outside warranty

[glass jetty]

-# why me being ignored last 3 times

[rigid snow]

Acknowledged

[kind fable]

what the flip is that

[glass jetty]

preprocessor for rust

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/legion-mass-effect-gif-11505461752391682171

[kind fable]

are you basically adding english to rust

english is horrible

[glass jetty]

yes, i adding c++/lua to rust

[kind fable]

for code

pain

horrible

[glass jetty]

no, it is best

[kind fable]

imagine python but it's rust

wtf

crazy people

[opaque sigil]

[glass jetty]

man, are you kidding...

charaverk | ~/code/**** ~$ rg " or " | wc -l
328
charaverk | ~/code/*** ~$ rg " and " | wc -l
699
charaverk | ~/code/*** ~$ rg " not " | wc -l
417
charaverk | ~/code/*** ~$ rg " not_eq " | wc -l
171

that ONLY with spaced between

in work project

[opaque wharf]

Naah, english is inferior. Real programmer use Javanese
https://github.com/fiandev/jawa-language

[kind fable]

look at this horrible syntax

[kind fable]

oh Java

i like Java

Java 25 on top

[opaque sigil]

that's just mojo

[glass jetty]

....

[opaque wharf]

ꦄꦠꦸꦫꦺꦤ꧀ umur iku 21
ꦠꦸꦭꦶꦱꦺꦤ꧀ "Umur mu" + umur
ꦤꦼꦏ꧀ umur luweh gede teko 20
  ꦠꦸꦭꦶꦱꦺꦤ꧀ "Elu tuwek"
  ꦄꦠꦸꦫꦺꦤ꧀ umurKu iku umur + 10
  ꦠꦸꦭꦶꦱꦺꦤ꧀ "ꦤꦼꦏ꧀ aku umure " + umurKu
  ꦤꦼꦏ꧀ umurKu luweh gede teko 30
    ꦠꦸꦭꦶꦱꦺꦤ꧀ "aku luweh tuwek"
  ꦮꦼꦱ꧀
ꦤꦼꦏ꧀gak
  ꦠꦸꦭꦶꦱꦺꦤ꧀ "isek bocah"
ꦮꦼꦱ꧀
ꦠꦸꦭꦶꦱꦺꦤ꧀ "Udahan ah"

[glass jetty]

man just said he like java

mute

[opaque wharf]

That's javanese written in java script

[split steppe]

incredible discovery

[kind fable]

Java is cool tho genuinely

at least, modern java

[split steppe]

java

it's the language nobody likes, but it's the one that will do the job

[opaque wharf]

Superbox will come and chant Kotlin not much longer now

[split steppe]

lol

[kind fable]

i like it

[kind fable]

i'm not a fan of kotlin

[split steppe]

stockholm syndrome

[kind fable]

i like groovy for gradle build script tho

[kind fable]

nah Java is just an actual nice language now

[split steppe]

[kind fable]

i promise

[split steppe]

nowadays i'm dissatisfied with most languages because they are either unwieldy or weird

i'm designing my own on the side

[kind fable]

wanted to show code, but my last open file was that
[actually removed the attachement cause i don't wanna spoil it too much]

look at this, isn't it clean
and it's even efficient as frick thanks to virtual threads

[olive sable]

Im not in warranty. Warranty is 3 years.

[kind fable]

then OOF

[split steppe]

looks like a thread bomb to me

[kind fable]

what do you mean ?

[split steppe]

infinite loop without any exit condition

horrible code

[kind fable]

that's called a server
also it's not infinite

there's a blocking part in that loop

it's called accept

it's hidden in the Client constructor

[split steppe]

yikes

[split steppe]

why is the constructor doing logic

[kind fable]

it's not that unhinged

[kind fable]

because it trigger people

[split steppe]

what happens in your destructor

[kind fable]

well stuff is closed you can see the close right there

[split steppe]

presumably if you do setup in the constructor you have a teardown in the destructor

[kind fable]

indeed

[split steppe]

show destructor code

[kind fable]

it's right under the constructor

it's the close

[split steppe]

so you dont have an actual destructor 🤔

[kind fable]

what do you mean

[split steppe]

so if you forget .close you leak it

[kind fable]

nope

it's an auto-closeable

[split steppe]

interesting, so close() is what the destructor will call

[kind fable]

wait

[split steppe]

weird

[kind fable]

i forgor to use try with ressources

ok so right here yes my client is leaky

but only because i forgor to do it properly

[split steppe]

yeah see that's kind of my problem with being smart

[kind fable]

the server one is correct as it's in a try with ressource

[split steppe]

looks like youd want try (Client client = new Client...)

[kind fable]

yes

but the problem is i pass it to a thread

and if i do the try with ressource welp when the try goes out of scope it'll call the close

and then the thread hold a ref to closed shit

which is bad

so i need to just call close myself pretty sure

[split steppe]

pretty sure you say

how about implementing the lifecycle appropriate for threading

[olive sable]

I wonder how quickly i can get my hands on a new x570 board

My pc is dissasembled so i cant do shit rn

[split steppe]

walk into whatever magical tech shop you got nearby

[nocturne olive]

Just use the wizardry that is the Belgian used market

The most black magic of all black magics

[kind fable]

alright fixed it

just need to have a try with resource within the lambda

[kind fable]

Belgian wait i'm not the only one, lesgoooo

[olive sable]

Thanks gemini
We got truecrime at home

[kind fable]

wtf

[kind fable]

actually don't need to catch, we can let it bubble up surely it won't explode i think

[split steppe]

jankva

[kind fable]

hey look it's good tho
and if i didn't use Log4J and Slf4j and the class names as logger name, i could just use implicit class shit

look at that clean main class, surely it's all that matter

[olive sable]

Guess im going to an X570 Aorus Ultra

[split steppe]

Filtered

[olive sable]

Actually an upgrade from my msi x570 tomahawk

Its 200 bucks tho

[kind fable]

wawawawa

[nocturne olive]

How interesting

[olive sable]

I get another m.2 slot

[nocturne olive]

Oh I see

Not like you can fill it because an M.2 drive costs 9999999€

[kind fable]

for that cheap man that'd be so good

[split steppe]

a bargain

[nocturne olive]

Mabe if I need a motherboard for another PC some time I'll just call SamVanTriangle for that too

[olive sable]

No i have some lying around

[nocturne olive]

I wonder what Belgian CPUs cost

[olive sable]

I got a fullsized 1tb, fullsized 480gb, and a smoll 256gb m.2

[kind fable]

like what the frick

[split steppe]

oh hey it's tapering off

[olive sable]

I bought a 2x2b of m.2 and a 16tb hard drive in november

Exactly cuz pricing went insane

[nocturne olive]

I wonder what Belgian hard drives cost

And what Belgian RAM costs

[split steppe]

superbox hungry for some belgian parts

[nocturne olive]

The 3090s have been a huge success so

[kind fable]

Look on PC part picker, set country to belgium

[nocturne olive]

Used market not in PCPartPicker

[kind fable]

Look on eBay then

[nocturne olive]

I don't use eBay
I use SamVanTriangle

[kind fable]

I be belgian and i use pc part picker

[nocturne olive]

Well I am not Belgian

So I use a proxy

[opaque sigil]

clearly you should change that

[olive sable]

[warped narwhal]

Jetbrains user spotted

[kind fable]

I mean Jetbrains is good sooo

[warped narwhal]

I am aware

[nocturne olive]

Hm, not too bad me thinks

[nocturne olive]

No me likes Finland
Just prices high here

[kind fable]

You too
Except i'm student

[warped narwhal]

I used to use the student version for about 6 years

but then I, well... graduated

so I can't use it anymore

[nocturne olive]

How about CPUs (LGA1700) and RAM (DDR4/5)?

[nocturne olive]

Looks slightly overpriced
I'll check it out again later probably I guess or something

[nocturne olive]

There's exactly one LGA1700 CPU on there (though it's not badly priced if that 100€ is true)

[olive sable]

Oh

Lets see lga1700 specifically i guess

[nocturne olive]

Ye

[olive sable]

Most people dont list exact details like the socket

So not many results

[nocturne olive]

That 14600KF not looking too bad me thinks

I will keep in mind I can get CPUs from you as well then

Right now tho I will consider just keeping my money in case another 3090 appears

[olive sable]

None that are in your budget

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