on the matx
#programming
true hemlock
olive sable
Thanks windows 
true hemlock
computa get dementia
amber fractal
we love windows skill issue
olive sable
I have 2 8gb sticks, and a single 16gb stick
Do i go for the 16+8 on the theatre pc? 
sage crag
iggly ourple
true hemlock
true hemlock
331W outta the battery
opaque wharf
I just saw a great idea on another server lol. Basically make a honeypot channel. That way, the low hanging automated bot can be weeded out just by monitoring the honeypot channel
rigid snow
this isn’t a new idea this is a very popular thing
olive sable
You can tell that this is written by a dutch person due to the "3 april" instead of "3rd of april"
jagged turtle
is this \O or \0?
opaque wharf
is this `\O` or `\0`?
Yes
true hemlock
another attempt of my CPU power states tuning IDFK WTF DID I JUST DID
somehow im getting <1W now???
previous lowest was 2.1W
patent shard
16gb is basically unusable 
olive sable
it worked fine on nixos during my RMA
never got OOM
but i cant do warcrimes in blender now
opaque wharf
but i cant do warcrimes in blender now
It is called warcrime for a reason Sam
patent shard
I guess virtual memory works
Can cause substantial slowdowns, though.. but not always
Seems to cause a lot less wear on ssd than some people will have you think
opaque wharf
SSD speed is nowhere near the speed of RAM
olive sable
it will wear out your ssd pretty fast if used a lot
patent shard
It isn't always super slow, though
It just depends
And in a pinch, it can work
Obviously 16gb is dead but maybe 32gb is salvageable
I think a lot of stuff gets cached.. cause it doesn't seem to cause too much wear
So if memory is needed again, it doesn't need to rewrite
At least, I think
olive sable
i probably have to send all 4 sticks back again for the rma
im using 2 sticks rn cuz its better than my 16gb spare
i could put the 8gb stick from the theater pc in it too if need be, 24gb
rigid snow
16gb is basically unusable <:evilDeadge:1150735483396161586>
this is way better than what superbox had to say but yall are still delusional
olive sable
rigid snow
16gb is fine, good even
olive sable
what did suberbox have to say?
amber fractal
I do think you have to be careful depending on what your doing
olive sable
ye, for blender 16gb is only usable if you dont make any mistakes with subdividing
or animations
patent shard
Even virtual memory for vram isn't terrible for blender a lot of times
Can't say the same for all applications.. some just 0.1gb and it slows to a halt
Blender isn't always picky
amber fractal
the 8gb macbook is constnatly memory starved loading a decently sized webapp on safari; to where which I installed chome as a botch
olive sable
blender is pretty efficeint for ram usage, unoess it really needs it
rigid snow
basically this @olive sable
olive sable
same
rigid snow
yes this is about ram, not iphone 6 storage variants
amber fractal
if this was iphone 6 storage I'll say this was accurate to all of the models that existed
I lived on 64gb
patent shard
I would say 48gb minimum, 64gb decent, 96gb very decent, 128gb big
rigid snow
no but you’re actually crazy to say this
amber fractal
maybe it is you 
amber fractal
we do a lot with our systems
rigid snow
trust me i do too
patent shard
I'm constantly using virtual memory with just 64gb
But, yeah, it works
Virtual memory isn't much of a slow down a lot of times
rigid snow
i’m a webdev i have to run 30 docker images
olive sable
32gb is more dependant on what you use the pc for.
the newest res evil 9 or whatever you'd probably need slightly more than 16gb
unless you're on ddr5 and have the option of 24gb
patent shard
Yeah, 24gb minimum for games
And that's with maybe one browser open allowance and that's it
32gb safer is you want OBS and other stuff open
amber fractal
I agree that you can get a far way, that is why I say 8-16gb for some tasks, but others have much higher requirements
rigid snow
you just mentioned swap, how is stuff open in the bg an issue with swap
patent shard
The real issue is if you run out of vram and dram at the same time
VERY bad
rigid snow
Yeah, 24gb minimum for games
And that's with maybe one browser open allowance an...
haven’t ever seen a game over 10gb
olive sable
"24gb minimum for games"
bro, minecraft is fine with 4GB
you really dont need 24gb min for "gaming"
its really specific games that need more than 16gb
the main issue is windows even
amber fractal
"24gb minimum for games"
bro, minecraft is fine with 4GB
you really dont need 24...
24gb is for slop games, most other titles actually have effort to be ran light, like esports
olive sable
anyone that says "32gb or more minimum" is out of touch, or uses their pc for stuff that would not be considered "minimum"
patent shard
haven’t ever seen a game over 10gb
Huh
I think Alan Wake 2 said like 18gb committed.. unless I'm mistaken
rigid snow
it probably allocated that much because it can
patent shard
And a little virtual memory is usually fine as long as you don't run out of vram mhm
olive sable
the store page for alan wake 2 says 16gb minimum and 16gb recommended
rigid snow
anyone that says "32gb or more minimum" is out of touch, or uses their pc for st...
yeah actual bare minimum is 8, and 16 for gaming
as long as you have a reasonable ssd
olive sable
for me personally 8 is already cutting it too close
amber fractal
yeah actual bare minimum is 8, and 16 for gaming
as long as you have a reasonabl...
I agree with this, depending on if windows is being stupid
olive sable
8 would probably get used 100% the whole time the game is open
rigid snow
i did say 16 is minimum for gaming
rigid snow
ye 100% that’s fine
olive sable
that seems fair, my nixos only uses 4gb for browser + discord
patent shard
Does running games at higher resolution take more dram? I actually haven't tested this
Or don't remember
rigid snow
if i was to spec out an office pc for some excel demons id probably put 8
amber fractal
8gb existance cost, 16gb gaming, 32gb for productive (not office, like CAD, 3D, video editing), ++ to self host the world
olive sable
Does running games at higher resolution take more dram? I actually haven't teste...
more vram, not more dram
rigid snow
some assets may live in ram tho
olive sable
dram usage is mostly dependant on texture resolution, vertexcount in the 3D models, audio quality, and such
rigid snow
oh higher res ye
opaque wharf
if i was to spec out an office pc for some excel demons id probably put 8
Naah, you need to understand that excel keep abused as a database
My friends that works on tax office has seen it close to GB in size
rigid snow
Naah, you need to understand that excel keep abused as a database
oh i know
olive sable
8gb existance cost, 16gb gaming, 32gb for productive (not office, like CAD, 3D, ...
and 64gb when you want to see what would happen if the cloth simulation has 1000000 vertices
patent shard
Eh, it's only 2160p, anyway
So nothing out of the ordinary
patent shard
I thought 16gb of dram was good
olive sable
its good, but if you're playing at 4K you probably want higher res textures
amber fractal
and 64gb when you want to see what would happen if the cloth simulation has 1000...
then 128gb is for whoever thinks LLMs by default requires high memory capacity.
patent shard
So in reality, 24gb really is recommended to not have to deal with potential major slowdowns or constantly use virtual memory
rigid snow
the 8gb macbook is constnatly memory starved loading a decently sized webapp on ...
and by “memory starved” do you mean just that it’s swapping or actually hitching while doing it
amber fractal
and by “memory starved” do you mean just that it’s swapping or actually hitching...
that thing was actually dying
low cpu, all memory usage and all in flash storage swap
rigid snow
<insert that one picture of rainbolt> 2015 macbook pro
amber fractal
rigid snow
LOL did i actually
amber fractal
it is 2015 or 2016
rigid snow
i have an m1 2020 mbp with 8
literally never had any issues
ok i couldn’t run my 30 docker images without it dying
outside of that? everything i throw at it
is fine
amber fractal
Good to know, because eventually I'm going to be asked to hunt a replacement
It ain't my personal system
rigid snow
yeah newer ones have way faster ssds i think is why
you won’t see swapping with a naked eye
ssds were created in 2016 by a quick search
prime delta
Chat
rigid snow
<a:Minamhm:1352095035239301160> ssds were created in 2016 by a quick search
and then apple invented swap
rigid snow
amber fractal
true hemlock
8gb existance cost, 16gb gaming, 32gb for productive (not office, like CAD, 3D, ...
some demanding games already takes more than 14GB so ig 32gb is becoming the standards
rigid snow
it is the standard yeah but is it “the bare minimum”
opaque wharf
I game in all 1080p 60Hz glory
patent shard
Bare minimum I guess 16gb for a not horrible experience gaming
midnight sigil
I game in 4:3/16:10 720p 320Hz
patent shard
Anyway, I am going to sleep now
It is 4:06 after all
karmic birch
I game in all 1080p 60Hz glory
Pfff, I'm playing at 75 fps😎
olive sable
congrats bro
anyways
i ussualy go for higher graphics so dont max out my 180hz
i think u up the settings until im at 140-160
midnight sigil
i ussualy go for higher graphics so dont max out my 180hz
man you need the DLSS5
midnight sigil
with OptiScaler?
olive sable
i dont even know what that is
midnight sigil
kind nimbus
AMD best. Except if you need nvenc or CUDA lol.
olive sable
in tv i see pb and jelly/jam
but
from what i had rn im a doubter in the pb&j combo
rigid snow
pretty mid
i mean
it is what it says on the tin
it’s butter but from peanut
but vegetable oil
why did you expect it to taste any different
but also i can’t say i don’t like it
opaque wharf
Margarine?
olive sable
why did you expect it to taste any different
idk
choco doesnt taste the same as raw cocoa beans
i had high hopes
opaque wharf
choco doesnt taste the same as raw cocoa beans
Why would you expect it to have the same taste? 
azure lynx
they add extra stuff to make chocolate taste good, like sugar
peanut butter is just mashed peanuts
faint sandal
jelly is just mashed nelly
olive sable
idfk what they add to peanut butter and what they add to choco
i dont do food sciences
azure lynx
they write the ingredients on the wrapper/jar
azure lynx
there are peanut butter spreads which contain sugar but they're not allowed to be called peanut butter
in the US anyway
it's still very easy to buy them by accident when shopping if you don't look carefully and most people won't notice they're getting an extra teaspoon of sugar per sandwich
nocturne olive
then 128gb is for whoever thinks LLMs by default requires high memory capacity.
Na 128GB for web app memory leaks
olive sable
Na 128GB for web app memory leaks
if your web app leaks thats a skill issue
azure lynx
128GB lets your LLM hallucinate in 3D
nocturne olive
if your web app leaks thats a skill issue
That's a Discord skill issue then
amber fractal
We have less strict rules for chocolate, some bars would not fly in EU
nocturne olive
And Google skill issue
olive sable
That's a Discord skill issue then
yes
amber fractal
That's a Discord skill issue then
Discord is always a skill issue
nocturne olive
On blue Discord this dark blue is virtually impossible to read
nocturne olive
My Discord in its entirety is tinted blue
azure lynx
hence the tweaks I guess... the 2nd line looks like "oh... it's still hard to read"
nocturne olive
The interface I mean
sage crag
jpegreal
opaque wharf
jelly is just mashed nelly
nocturne olive
In my case:
- 16GB: absolute minimum
- 32GB: comfortable gaming on a run on demand machine
- 64GB: long-term sustainable
- 128GB: long-term comfortable
faint sandal
nocturne olive
In my case:
- 16GB: absolute minimum
- 32GB: comfortable gaming on a run on dema...
I soooo want 128 gigs
sage crag
In my case:
- 16GB: absolute minimum
- 32GB: comfortable gaming on a run on dema...
4gb: usable
8gb: dont compile linux kernel
16gb: perfect
32gb: comfier 16gb
sage crag
na
olive sable
i guess since you're on labwc you use less for system?
sage crag
i guess since you're on labwc you use less for system?
like 600mb
olive sable
nocturne olive
4gb: usable
8gb: dont compile linux kernel
16gb: perfect
32gb: comfier 16gb
True for a phone
My phone has 4GB and it's perfectly adequate
sage crag
true for
laptop
desktop
only time its not true if compute demand
i.e.
server machine
nocturne olive
Well that is what my system just so happens to be
NeuroSynth's training often times uses around 8GB mem alone, after fixing memory leaks
sage crag
neurosynth less optimised than browser discord
dinkdonk
famous electron hater found to have memory leaks in native code
nocturne olive
neurosynth less optimised than browser discord
Training takes a ton of compute you know
Inference memory usage is much lesser, within 2GB
opaque wharf
only time its not true if compute demand
Especially when computing the uncomputable
sage crag
Training takes a ton of compute you know
Inference memory usage is much lesser, ...
dinkdonk
nocturne olive
Wa
nocturne olive
NeuroSynth's trainer is Python
NeuroSynth inference is in C# OnnxRuntime
faint sandal
oak temple
According to the evil one, Camila is now Ironmouse.
Just how it goes, thangs change
shrewd cloak
famous electron hater
dont a lot of people hate electron
rigid snow
its entire value prop is that it is what it is
hating electron is crazy stupid to me, it's like hating water because people drown
i'd even argue the world would be a worse place if electron wasn't there
sage crag
<:neuroHypers:1135051812722982922> dont a lot of people hate electron
they do, but for the wrong reasons
electron does its job, but its linux support is patchy especially on wayland, to be honest, that's my largest gripe with it
opaque wharf
<:neuroHypers:1135051812722982922> dont a lot of people hate electron
I don't 
You have to try developing a complex cross platform GUI to know how godsent it is
sage crag
electron does its job, but its linux support is patchy especially on wayland, to...
that and the huge massive giant binaries from packing chromium runtime into your app
sage crag
You have to try developing a complex cross platform GUI to know how godsent it i...
just use tkinter or qt or something 
opaque sigil
that reminds me, someone recently made tauri but in zig
so you can have neither the benefit of using rust nor the compatibility of electron
opaque wharf
that and the huge massive giant binaries from packing chromium runtime into your...
Huh, aren't arch ships the electron binaries now?
opaque sigil
that and the huge massive giant binaries from packing chromium runtime into your...
it's a necessary evil
sage crag
that reminds me, someone recently made tauri but in zig
so you can have neither ...
the benefit of little to no sandboxing, the memory safety of c, the performance of a browser page and
opaque wharf
just use tkinter or qt or something <:glueless:1282337396230328425>
And ship the whole python runtime instead?
sage crag
ye
ship a whole python interpreter
some apps do this, where they pack their program, runtime libraries, and the python interpreter into an executable
its like electron for your terrible game made in pygame
olive sable
gamejam game shipped with python interpreter
opaque wharf
Look at this goober
nocturne olive
<:ReallyInnocent:1229173141088112640> gamejam game shipped with python interpret...
I'd rather ship with a Java runtime
nocturne olive
We basically shipped the Game Jam 2 local version with a Java runtime
olive sable
did we?
rigid snow
I'd rather ship with a Java runtime
they aren't that big are they
nocturne olive
they aren't that big are they
Full one ~300MB but can strip to like a few to a few 10s of MB
opaque wharf
they aren't that big are they
It is quite big for what can be a native library anyway
rigid snow
it's a vm wdym
sage crag
it's a vm wdym
jni have native in the name
must be native
vm run in native code
basically native
rigid snow
jni
sage crag
think about it
maiden geyser
insane misinput
rigid snow
think about it
code running within an emulator written in a vm language still executes machine code in the end
which makes all code native
olive sable
checks out
sage crag
and some old deprecated java emulation stuff
sage crag
specifically only for js?
yes
olive sable
rigid snow
all code is native if you think hard enough
glad this debate is over. brb writing firmware for a attiny85 in ruby
olive sable
FJCVTZS
Floating-point Javascript Convert to Signed fixed-point, rounding toward Zero.
wahoo
oh speaking of
im making my own interpreter spec
olive sable
sage crag
and i named it mint because all my projects are named botanically
mint stands for
mint interpreter
olive sable
`GNU is Not Unix`
the G in that could have been a different letter now that i think about it
sage crag
rigid snow
nocturne olive
<:mlntcandy:1455273822625333375> <a:Clap:1319384779656790026>
Oh hey it's the OS I run
sage crag
the G in that could have been a different letter now that i think about it
gnus
type of herd animal
cow-shaped
olive sable
Oh hey it's the OS I run
grown in finland
rigid snow
am i cow shaped
sage crag
i dont know
opaque wharf
am i cow shaped
We physicists like to simplify anyway
sage crag
(baaast)d shaped
opaque wharf
So imagine a spherical cow in a vacuum
rigid snow
yoyur’e mom cow shaped lol 😂
opaque wharf
Need more Evil stream
nocturne olive
grown in finland
Technically yes
The Linux kernel is a Finnish invention
opaque wharf
silent cloak
Ur mom has too many triangles to render
olive sable
silent cloak
The toothbrush
sage crag
imagining
olive sable
https://tenor.com/view/cow-sphere-gif-with-sound-gif-24211511
that is not cow
silent cloak
Its a ball
opaque wharf
that is not cow
Then what is it?
sage crag
https://tenor.com/view/cow-sphere-gif-with-sound-gif-24211511
planetary cow collapses into a sphere under its own gravity (pictured)
opaque wharf
I want to eat something now
olive sable
waffles
rigid snow
planetary cow collapses into a sphere under its own gravity (pictured)
surface tension
sage crag
surface tension
ohisee
woven temple
I propose we make candles mandatory.
olive sable
not waffles 
rigid snow
bread 
opaque wharf
I propose we make candles mandatory.
Counterpoint: Neuro
rigid snow
azure lynx
do RGB lights inside the computer count as candles?
olive sable
azure lynx
what about your GPU nearly catching fire?
olive sable
i think rgb is close enough
sage crag
I propose we make candles mandatory.
scented candles are already required
for programming
opaque wharf
I've been programming wrong my whole life
olive sable
sage crag
they're all elsewhere
olive sable
steal some form your mom
you said she had too many, surely she wont notice
-# this is not real advice
opaque wharf
-# this is not real advice
Naah, that's real advice from me. Go ahead
nocturne olive
I propose we make candles mandatory.
No way programming ≃ demon summoning
opaque wharf
No way programming ≃ demon summoning
How do you think Neuro was made?
rigid snow
scented candles are already required
most programmers replace the scented candles
by not showering
olive sable
no
i have broken 0 gpu
i have broken 4 ram sticks
graphics programming breaks ram
sage crag
gpu fire not common while programming
gpu fire is rebellion
of the llm running on your pc
olive sable
checks out
rigid snow
programmers use local llms
nocturne olive
V1 Neuro programs in C no way
rigid snow
olive sable
midnight sigil
olive sable
sage crag
split steppe
nocturne olive
Oooo
OOM
olive sable
oom
split steppe
slap some swap on that
nocturne olive
Has what disabled?
sage crag
either that or your ram is very borked
olive sable
make code use less memory
sage crag
make code use less memory
ne
split steppe
i don't think you can even disable overcommit on linux
olive sable
you should
split steppe
you shouldn't
sage crag
you shouldnt disable overcommit
its very useful
it allows you to allocate infinite memory and only use what you use
split steppe
64gb is big
it's not about the size of memory, it's also about stability
sage crag
sysctl vm.overcommit_memory
nocturne olive
I never configured swap on this machine (I also don't know how to but that's a whole different thing)
sage crag
I never configured swap on this machine (I also don't know how to but that's a w...
run the command i sent
tell me the value
swap should definitely be enabled by default on mint
split steppe
enabling swap is like 3 commands
nocturne olive
tell me the value
= 0
split steppe
free -h will tell you swap size
kind nimbus
No way programming ≃ demon summoning
*daemon
nocturne olive
`free -h` will tell you swap size
No swap
split steppe
i don't think it's overcommit anyway
nocturne olive
that gives you "moderate overcommit"
Well I have no clue if that's good or bad
sage crag
Well I have no clue if that's good or bad
its okay
kind nimbus
<:mlntcandy:1455273822625333375> <a:Clap:1319384779656790026>
Germany
split steppe
it doesn't matter because the defaults will never be the problem
sage crag
its a default ye
nocturne olive
Either way there is no swap on this machine
nocturne olive
Well I also need to deal with web apps leaking tons o' mem
olive sable
got 0 aswell
split steppe
you can quickly make a temporary 32G swapfile with ```
sudo fallocate -l 32G /swapfile
sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=32 count=1073741824
sudo chmod 600 /swapfile
sudo swapon /swapfile
it will be active for your current session, you can delete it after a reboot (safest) or after `swapoff`what are the other values?
split steppe
man overcommit prolly :V
nocturne olive
I guess I just need to restart Discord more often
sage crag
you can quickly make a temporary 32G swapfile with ```
sudo fallocate -l 32G /sw...
larger block size would be faster
to make, not to use
split steppe
yeah but it's easier to read this way
sage crag
if that's a consideration for your machine
dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1k count=32m
mkswap /swapfile
swapon /swapfile
that works as well
split steppe
not sure how well bs in gigs would work
rigid snow
> Germany
<:neuroHypers:1135051812722982922>
i’m not german neither am i in germany
vpn
sage crag
sage crag
olive sable
maiden geyser
datamined award
olive sable
Tracking Purpose: It is used to track who shared the video and where it was shared.
hell nah
yall aint getting my yt
split steppe
now all of china knows you were here
maiden geyser
https://youtu.be/xIUkoUEMf_g
rigid snow
https://youtu.be/xIUkoUEMf_g
i tried to watch this yesterday before sleep but ended up falling asleep 1 minute in
rigid snow
why is it mirrored
opaque wharf
probelm with code? ask <#1071784467036913664> <a:Minamhm:1352095035239301160>
Excuse me, I have problem with my cooking recipe
olive sable
sure, ask
kind nimbus
i’m not german neither am i in germany
Oh lol
olive sable
depends on the sauce
silent jay
hey
opaque wharf
diluted probably
I sure hope you dilute vinegar whenever you're cooking man
rigid snow
here's what a random website has to say
glass flower
something doesn't seem quite right...
opaque wharf
<:Hmm:1254851890756456598> something doesn't seem quite right...
Naah, nothing to see
rigid snow
b-but e;electron!!!
opaque wharf
Move along
glad path
<:Hmm:1254851890756456598> something doesn't seem quite right...
erm
nvim wtf
ig a plugin has a memory leak?
rigid snow
<:Hmm:1254851890756456598> something doesn't seem quite right...
but but native app good!!! delete!! or edit for it to say discord or slack or or vscode!!@!!!@
opaque wharf
here's what a random website has to say
I think it depends on what flavor the wine takes on the food
kind nimbus
depends on the sauce
I thought this is #baking and not #cooking
glass flower
probably omnisharp.. i tried getting C# to work but man... 
it doesn't want to work like at all.
and with csharp_ls i don't have go to definitions or decompilation support
olive sable
I thought this is #baking and not #cooking
i can multitask
rigid snow
#baking-while-cooking-while-programming
olive sable
sure
opaque wharf
while (baking && cooking) {
programming();
}
And no break condition
opaque wharf
And no break condition
Baking and cooking will end eventually
kind nimbus
Baking and cooking will end eventually
goto baking();
sage crag
this only works if void **baking();
and there's a computed label address somewhere in the function
rigid snow
Baking and cooking will end eventually
or programming throws
kind nimbus
this only works if `void **baking();`
Oh no void pointer to void pointer
sage crag
pointer to pointer to void
flint dome
```ts
while (baking && cooking) {
programming();
}
```
loop:
LDA baking
BEQ procrastinate
LDA cooking
BEQ procrastinate
JSR code
JMP loop
procrastinate:
NOP
added procrastinate for when cooking done
olive sable
Baking and cooking will end eventually
unlike programming, we bake and cook until the day we die
opaque wharf
and there's a computed label address somewhere in the function
Which is cursed
opaque wharf
or programming throws
Oh programming throws alright. Throwing your peripheral due to frustration
sage crag
```
loop:
LDA baking
BEQ procrastinate
LDA cooking
BEQ procrastinate
JSR code
JM...
beq with what
opaque wharf
unlike programming, we bake and cook until the day we die
That would be difficult. I don't think my stove have infinite gas
flint dome
beq with what
check zero flag in flag register and when it is 1 jump to procrastinate otherwise continue with baking cooking and coding
rigid snow
i have an interesting question, why is # the elevated shell prompt consistently? for the non elevated version it's either $ or > or % on some systems but why is # the elevated one
flint dome
flag register is set by cmp instr?
yeah and would be done by the specific subroutine to show its finished
so that jsr and jmp do not occur
kind nimbus
i have an interesting question, why is # the elevated shell prompt consistently?...
To highlight that your shell is running as root
flint dome
so that jsr and jmp do not occur
though it would be more accurate to jsr to bake and cook rather than just load status of bake and cook into register a
rigid snow
i mean why # specifically everywhere in contrast to the three variants i typed out
sage crag
i mean why # specifically everywhere in contrast to the three variants i typed o...
its just convention from original unix systems
flint dome
though it would be more accurate to jsr to bake and cook rather than just load s...
and leave that to the subroutine to figure out for themselves
sage crag
not sure what bell labs peeps were thinking when they used #
not sure any of them still remember
??
sage crag
kind nimbus
csharp = dangerous
sage crag
£
flint dome
it was more likely a spur of the moment decision or one taken when drunk
kind nimbus
Speaking of Unix the new SSD i bought for my server should arrive in a few days. Then im gonna start playing around with FreeBSD and jails and bhyve
shrewd cloak
Anyone here got any failure like this?
my ubuntu does not recognise any of the hardware other than my keyboard or my wireless mouse
and yea, i tried asking gemini abt it
kind nimbus
Anyone here got any failure like this?
my ubuntu does not recognise any of the h...
what hardware exactly?
any issues logged in dmesg or journacltl?
does the hw show up in lshw or lspci ?
shrewd cloak
what hardware exactly?
any issues logged in dmesg or journacltl?
does the hw s...
Oh, found it, it was missing drivers i think, have to somehow install them
silent jay
is it fresh install
you should find driver packages with apt
and configure those from dotfiles
my keyboards led would never turn on auto so I did it from dotfiles for example, it's pain in the ass xD
kind nimbus
Oh, found it, it was missing drivers i think, have to somehow install them
since you're on ubuntu there is also a feature to install additional driver directly in that software center
shrewd cloak
is it fresh install
I re-installed it like 2 days ago, it worked normally but this is second time i am encountering this issue
shrewd cloak
since you're on ubuntu there is also a feature to install additional driver dire...
😭 it does not recognise wifi drivers and also unable to use usb tethering
kind nimbus
😭 it does not recognise wifi drivers and also unable to use usb tethering
what wifi card / chip do you use?
shrewd cloak
what wifi card / chip do you use?
Realtek
shrewd cloak
😭
kind nimbus
but i meant which exact model
shrewd cloak
But i dont think its the issue lol, i do use ubuntu in dual boot, my windows works perfectly rn
silent jay
Do you have only one adapter ?
shrewd cloak
RTL8852BE
silent jay
using an USB wired network adapter or an alternative working WiFi adapter borrowed from a friend or neighbour should be enough.
if USB Tethering doesn't work at this point, you should directly use the router
for wLAN connection
I also experienced the same thing with every OS, I know that disgusting feeling
shrewd cloak
using an USB wired network adapter or an alternative working WiFi adapter borrow...
I think the issue is it is somehow not recognise any of inputs, like it does not even recognise my bluetooth, speaker, mic
kind nimbus
But i dont think its the issue lol, i do use ubuntu in dual boot, my windows wor...
realtek is nonfree so you need to use their nonfree firmware and drivers
silent jay
Hmm, the installation might be corrupted.
kind nimbus
make sure you have nonfree firmware and firmware realtek installed
silent jay
Just log into your Windows and download the REALTEK drivers to a usb
shrewd cloak
Hmm, the installation might be corrupted.
It did run for 2 days without any errors, and before i re-installed it was working good for a long time
shrewd cloak
make sure you have nonfree firmware and firmware realtek installed
🤔 i think it is not possible for me unless i re install it again
shrewd cloak
Just log into your Windows and download the REALTEK drivers to a usb
Oh true, thx
And some other thing i found with modprobe is that it is missing rtw89_8852be file? 🤔
silent jay
Yeah it's a driver issue, they all going to fix if you can download the WiFi Driver and update your system.
just download the WiFi driver from the Windows to a USB and plug it in Ubuntu, afterwards you should download "Additional Drivers" from the Ubuntu, then restart and it's all going to be fine.
shrewd cloak
just download the WiFi driver from the Windows to a USB and plug it in Ubuntu, a...
alr, ty for help
also ty magicbytes
kind nimbus
🤔 i think it is not possible for me unless i re install it again
sudo apt install linux-firmware linux-firmware-nonfree firmware-realtek
no need to reinstall
sage crag
shrewd cloak
```bash
sudo apt install linux-firmware linux-firmware-nonfree firmware-realtek
...
I think i should be able to do that if im able to download wifi drivers, ty ty
kind nimbus
oh wait you dont have any internet at all?
silent jay
no he doesn't 
shrewd cloak
I see
silent jay
shrewd cloak
That should be fine downloading from windows too ig
kind nimbus
sure
just drop them onto a flash drive or something
and lets hope there are no deps 😂
shrewd cloak
😭 yeah, i dont want to re install whole ubuntu for like 6th time
silent jay
olive sable
idle dune
Keeping my computers going.
idle dune
<a:BlankiERMs:1177894976600940645>
hollow galleon
my monitor started to die, how can I replace the pixels
download more pixels
google .com
azure lynx
you could get a red green and blue pen and copy them from a working laptop?
opaque wharf
my monitor started to die, how can I replace the pixels
By having this simple thing called money
hollow galleon
By having this simple thing called money
monitors are honestly pretty cheap, depending on what you get
i recently bought a 1080p 200hz monitor for $130 new
opaque wharf
I usually get 2nd hand panel only and I donor the control board
hollow galleon
could always abuse facebook marketplace too
hollow galleon
I usually get 2nd hand panel only and I donor the control board
that's fair
i tend to use my monitors for a while before upgrading, i think i used my last one for 8 years
silent jay
woah
that was an ironic question
but seriously I should change my laptop, do you guys have any recommendations
I always have those 80 chrome tabs, 5 vms and 22 debug processes are running at the background
hollow galleon
but seriously I should change my laptop, do you guys have any recommendations
honestly, most modern + relatively high-end workstation laptops will do the trick
warped narwhal
Get a 2nd hand laptop and upgrade the memory yourself
hollow galleon
i'm currently using a precision 7550, it has the benefit of having four ram slots and three nvme slots
got 2.5tb + 40gb ram
only con is the battery is complete garbage, $100 to replace and it went from 100% health to 74% in a year
it gets an hour and a half on battery saver
warped narwhal
That sounds more like you aren't using the battery correctly
hollow galleon
That sounds more like you aren't using the battery correctly
likely not, but i do have to charge it a lot
i've been using it for school, so a lot of the deterioration has been from constant use
warped narwhal
Most laptops should have a mode that only charges the battery to 80% unless you manually set it to charge to full
Keeping it above 80 and below 10 is not good for the battery, so if you are normally plugged in you should avoid those ranges
hollow galleon
Most laptops should have a mode that only charges the battery to 80% unless you ...
this does, the problem is that would remove 1/5 of the battery that already isn't good
atp i'm planning to pick up a cheap laptop for college, i'll probably end up doing it on that
warped narwhal
this does, the problem is that would remove 1/5 of the battery that already isn'...
Well, you charge it to full when you know you will be moving about, but if you are just sitting docked then it doesn't matter
hollow galleon
likely not, but i do have to charge it a lot
should mention this is a 10th gen i9 (i9-10885H, ~5.3ghz max)
it is not meant to be particularly battery-efficient
also a 4gb quadro t1000
hollow galleon
Well, you charge it to full when you know you will be moving about, but if you a...
makes sense, my main issue is that i don't really dock it
i charge it overnight, but that's about it for wall power, unless i need to plug it in during the day
silent jay
Get a 2nd hand laptop and upgrade the memory yourself
I've modified my current Thinkpad just like that
48 gb of ram and 1 tb of storage
i love itt
hollow galleon
hell yeah
silent jay
yeah and the battery is always shit no matter what because of the manufacturer
glass jetty
cinema
hollow galleon
i love having excess ram, i abuse my memory way too much
wispy pike
Keeping my computers going.
my laptop's battery fucking exploded lol
timid gyro
I guess no dev stream today? Vedal cancelled the twitch schedule in advance so far this year. I guess he forgot, lol. https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987/schedule?seriesID=8f7bb29f-92f5-467f-9529-e05da92f05cf
hollow galleon
i'm personally scared of my thermal situation
downloading anything made in rust from the AUR makes it feel like it's about to melt
curse of instant 100C
idle dune
my laptop's battery fucking exploded lol
My MacBook pro js on the edge of that.
I'm selling it soon
The got potato is someone else's problem
silent jay
olive sable
azure lynx
only con is the battery is complete garbage, $100 to replace and it went from 10...
you might actually want a desktop if you're keeping it plugged in that much
hollow galleon
you might actually want a desktop if you're keeping it plugged in that much
i have one
i just need a laptop for school
my desktop's better than my laptop, i9 14900k + 3090
hollow galleon
i just need a laptop for school
the main issue is that the battery out-of-the-box gets ~2 hours browsing the web and using apps
so it has to charge a lot
hollow galleon
yep
silent jay
i'm not blaming my laptop though, I can't run 10 minutes with all of those apps at the background
hollow galleon
i have a thinkpad t490s i use for basic tasks, which does quite a bit better on battery
big downgrade, but it's great when i need it
hollow galleon
i'm not blaming my laptop though, I can't run 10 minutes with all of those apps ...
what do you need that many VMs for?
i can kinda understand browser tabs (though that's typically more a desktop thing)
i'm personally working on setting up web-hosted VMs with proxmox; not a perfect solution, but it saves a lot of resources
only problem with that approach is my server is kinda shit for running multiple VMs at once
silent jay
what do you need that many VMs for?
I only use 1 VM
That was also ironic but the chrome tabs are true
hollow galleon
ah
silent jay
I always have 60-70 tabs at the background because I love researching xD
hollow galleon
I always have 60-70 tabs at the background because I love researching xD
fair enough
there's probably a way to offload pages more aggressively
silent jay
i love mandiant
shrewd cloak
update, fc* 6.17.0 we back to kernel 6.8
silent jay
have you fixed it ?
umbral wigeon
thorn agate
Hello fellow Swarm members, i was wondering if someone was experienced in coding an entire D&D server on Foundry VTT ?
Not sure if it's the right place to ask but i'm part of the staff of a big Westmarch server and we're having troubles with conflicting modules, we're searching for someone who could restore balance to it. It's a big work and it might need an extended period of time to make it work.
(Sorry if i'm unclear, i'm not an English native)
amber fractal
I only see an iPhone running Linux here
rigid snow
that's an iot device
azure lynx
technically isn't every "thing" on the internet an IoT device? (no. but i'm still arguing it.)
rigid snow
as well
hollow arrow
Lmao. a buddy sent me this.
heh
azure lynx
I was assigned Linux at birth, but identify as an Apple iPhone.
high brook
I only see an iPhone running Linux here <:ReallyInnocent:1229173141088112640>
An x86_64 iPhone running linux
kind nimbus
Weird my iphone runs darwin.
mighty thorn
Hello fellow Swarm members, i was wondering if someone was experienced in coding...
What’s a foundry vtt
rigid snow
An *x86_64* iPhone running linux
rigid snow
What’s a foundry vtt
banned from google award
thorn agate
What’s a foundry vtt
Hello, it's a virtual tabletop, a place where ones can play roleplaying game
silent jay
just solved flare-on 25 and my brain has no cell at the momento
what do i do
i started to speak arabic
silent jay
xD
silent jay
i thought you did it on purpose
high brook
Haha
mighty thorn
banned from google award
Effective communicator award
faint sandal
new board
uncut panther
<:NeurOhISee:1136209034966483084>
Isn't it called a macbook?
rigid snow
i don't think so
uncut panther
rigid snow
i'm pretty sure i've seen patches of the macos shell for it to run on jailbroken iphones
like as a wild experiment
uncut panther
i'm pretty sure i've seen patches of the macos shell for it to run on jailbroken...
sounds cool,but i prefer linux ,running macos on iphone doesn't make much sense, except to wonder if it will work
rigid snow
oh yeah this https://github.com/khanhduytran0/MacWSBootingGuide
works flawlessly as you can see
uncut panther
"Booting macOS's WindowServer" Is it just a mask from mac?
uncut panther
i see,cool ,using iOS via mac mask sounds much more convenient
I've only used an iphone for many years, not a mac, but it was a real pain ,It's a pity Apple didn't add this to the official release
rigid snow
why 
uncut panther
good night
uncut panther
why <:neuroCry:1110064189839523881>
I hate that you can't even set up a normal network settings on it
leaden crest
project with 50 (exaggerating) dependencies downgraded from 3.14 to 3.13 to 3.12 to 3.11 today all because I insisted on keeping the most modern working version and finding new things that didnt work 
lapis wraith
<:NeurOhISee:1136209034966483084>
That pc looks so cute. It's so smoll 
rigid snow
I hate that you can't even set up a normal network settings on it
is this not enough for you
macos has all the same settings
uncut panther
is this not enough for you
no, i wanna manage my traffic , u can do it through the server,but why so stupid
rigid snow
what do you mean by managing your traffic
uncut panther
what do you mean by managing your traffic
manage your package ,white list ,black list and other staff
minor sail
iptables type stuff?
uncut panther
iptables type stuff?
yea!
rigid snow
manage your package ,white list ,black list and other staff
you can, it's just not in the os (not in macos either)
get an app that registers itself as a vpn
and does that
uncut panther
so its sucks
rigid snow
it really doesn't lol
uncut panther
rigid snow
do you want adblock
download an adblock app, i'm pretty sure most are that - fake vpn - or a safari extension
also isn't it the same as android
rigid snow
also isn't it the same as android
the only difference in this domain i know of is you can create rules for specific apps on android, you can't on ios
uncut panther
the only difference in this domain i know of is you can create rules for specifi...
android its linux in some way
rigid snow
sure! but if you're not rooting you're left with android apis
uncut panther
sure! but if you're not rooting you're left with android apis
It's easier and more convenient with the rooting
uncut panther
download an adblock app, i'm pretty sure most are that - fake vpn - or a safari ...
no,just fixing some network issues
fk I don't have enough storage for arch linux on my iphone
mighty thorn
to the answer
Would you believe me if I told you I didn’t respond because I didn’t know
rigid snow
openai did
with cerebras
and nvidia with groq
meta, now anthropic w/ google for tpus
patent shard
thanks for the speex suggestion
64kb when zipped
won't play in Discord, unfortunately
there's definitely better codecs for the job at this bitrate 
fast pagoda
what got lost
amber fractal
If it was rare hardware we riot
patent shard
this is stupid.. zipping it would allow me to give like 60% more bitrate to the video
the video is less than 150kb.. zipping drops it by 85kb...
ugh, I wish it was more efficient without zipping.. I guess the container is eating up a bunch of bitrate.. obviously the container is kind of needed :/
seems like the audio drops by about 30kb when zipped and putting both the video and audio into mp4 container would drop by about 50kb zipped
so that's where the 85kb comes from...
Evil's microphone is also disappearing because there isn't enough contrast
would love more bitrate for the video >.>
kind nimbus
download an adblock app, i'm pretty sure most are that - fake vpn - or a safari ...
i'm using Wipr on my iphone which at least works fine for safari adblocking
jagged turtle
I'm mad as fuck what the hell
jagged turtle
such amazing type inference
amber fractal
such amazing type inference
How else do I expect to use every variation of true and false?
Gotta use a random vibe check on strings to coserse them into bools and that is covered via an unseen overload
amber fractal
Alrighty, I am getting better at porting this NN code to torch, so far we are at slower than the original for more CPU usage 
At this point I'm staring at these lines that were an if statement before
diff_window &= case.reshape(shard_size, 1, match_table.shape[1], 2) * match
emit_window &= emit_reshape[idx].reshape(shard_size, 1, emit_table.shape[1], 2) * match
group_window |= emit_reshape[idx].reshape(shard_size, 1, emit_table.shape[1], 2) * match
can I presuade this to become a mask
not easily but I don't think this even helps
as always in torch land, the issue is having an accumilator at all
I already have it split once
amber fractal
<:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119743638>
This after allowing it to compile, which the numpy code never got to
GPT, if I find these are real I am going to kill you
because I swear they do not exist
otherwise I would have already been using them
as that is what numpy is doing
opaque wharf
GPT, if I find these are real I am going to kill you
Well, what GPT meant by hidden maybe that you have to make the pull request first
amber fractal
I've seen 2 so far
but yeah it ain't real
and none of the other solutions are real either
amber fractal
Alrighty, I am getting better at porting this NN code to torch, so far we are at...
I should also say for the speed test, I actually only have the forward pass done; the numpy version finishes every pass in less time than the forward pass over here takes
Mabe I should just work on getting the numpy version to compile
would be faster after all
amber fractal
Sucks to suck useless NNv5 torch port, Seems correct to just work on getting the numpy port faster. Though honestly I'd have much better luck eventually moving it even lower as I'm still missing out on some fused ops.
amber fractal
Goodmorning
jagged turtle
midnight sigil
Well, what GPT meant by hidden maybe that you have to make the pull request firs...
become a pround contributor to one of the most used Python libraries in 2025/26
olive sable
at least i dont have to go through the process of requesting another RMA, they did it for me this time
welp, time to repackage these ram sticks
maiden geyser
have mercy on a small indie company
olive sable
I wish my ram just worked
Im not even overclocking them
surely they're not running hot enough to die?
opaque wharf
surely they're not running hot enough to die?
Naah, the RAM knows that the owner is Sam and decided to commit sudoku
amber fractal
Naah, the RAM knows that the owner is Sam and decided to commit sudoku
Exactly the issue they've not seen is giving it to you
opaque wharf
Just in case Sam, you may want to film the whole thing lol
split steppe
I wish my ram just worked
surely if the replacement isnt working its gotta be the mobo
ram is like the single most reliable part of the whole thing
amber fractal
The 16gb of temp sticks work fine tho
opaque wharf
ram is like the single most reliable part of the whole thing
Actually, the motherboard is the most reliable one
split steppe
ive seen issues with everything except ram in 15 years of building pcs
i might be lucky tho
amber fractal
Actually, the motherboard is the most reliable one
PSU is close for what I hear, except if your given the title of worst PSU in existence by quack and died in a power outage
opaque wharf
PSU is close for what I hear, except if your given the title of worst PSU in exi...
Yeah, PSU and motherboard since they do not constantly do number crunching
hard delta
mine do
they're extra like that
while I play on my computer, the mobo has built in chips mining Bitcoin for the manufacturer
rigid snow
i might be lucky tho
you just are
amber fractal
they're extra like that
RGB lights moment
hard delta
RGB lights moment
it's the leprechaun (r)aio(w) chip
split steppe
2% i’d say
that seems crazy to me, that would be annual losses in the billions, also manufacturers surely test their kits before sale
opaque wharf
that seems crazy to me, that would be annual losses in the billions, also manufa...
That's what reliability is. How many % of parts fail after a certain timeframe
amber fractal
For Sam's it just so happens to be once they learn his name
split steppe
ive ram running 10+ years, idk
opaque wharf
ive ram running 10+ years, idk
So do I. And I also have RAM failing after only a fraction of those
amber fractal
A good kit is good, but faulty kits don't suddenly become good
split steppe
my bet is on the mobo frying sam's kit
split steppe
which doesnt mean much, sounds like he already rmad once with same failure
amber fractal
Who knows, it may be a new compabillity issue that they don't have noted yet
nocturne olive
project with 50 (exaggerating) dependencies downgraded from 3.14 to 3.13 to 3.12...
A ton of stuff is for whatever reason stuck around 3.10
nocturne olive
this is stupid.. zipping it would allow me to give like 60% more bitrate to the ...
Time to invent a new codec that employs integrated zip compression if applicable
nocturne olive
surely they're not running hot enough to die?
Surely it has nothing to do with you running them overvoltage
jagged turtle
ahem eslint?
amber fractal
Are you sure the project is set up correctly at this point
jagged turtle
Are you sure the project is set up correctly at this point
yes, the issue isn't that reregisterAllActions is undefined (it is), it's just that it's on the wrong line that it's highlighting
olive sable
Surely it has nothing to do with you running them overvoltage
im not tho
they should support 1.40v
it uses Hynix CJR
thos can safely do up to 1.45v supposedly
having this happen 3 times would point to something else killing the ram tho
silent jay
opaque wharf
having this happen 3 times would point to something else killing the ram tho
Yes, you killed them via the sheer static electricity that your body stores. Sam, the walking capacitor
opaque wharf
If you have a spare then yeah, try it using a different motherboard first
Ideally with everything else being the same. Who knows, maybe you're like konii and have the gpu killed the whole system
olive sable
i dont have any spare
opaque wharf
Friends Sam. This is why it is important to have one
olive sable
leaden crest
A ton of stuff is for whatever reason stuck around 3.10
one more downgrade on the todo list i suppose
nocturne olive
they should support 1.40v
Have you made sure they're not 1.2V sticks?
olive sable
Have you made sure they're not 1.2V sticks?
i dont think ive ever seen 1.2V 3600mhz sticks
split steppe
voltage shouldn't be a problem, small variations rarely cause issues, you would have to be like >0.5V out for it to become a problem
olive sable
i left everything on auto with xmp1
split steppe
plus it's the MBs job to detect and correct for it on defaults
split steppe
is it a specific slot that fails?
olive sable
the ram failure is specific to the ram stick, so its def a broken ram stick
but it could be a specific slot killing them
split steppe
is it a ram stick within a specific slot tho
olive sable
wdym by that? like i said when i place the broken ram stick in a different slot its still broken
split steppe
if you put the working stick in the slot the broken one was in, does it break as well?
split steppe
sam but with ram sticks
olive sable
😭
its 2 ram sticks that are broken this time
so it would have to be the whole memory channel
if they were in the same memory channel even
i didnt number them
split steppe
that's exceedingly unlikely for 3 sets to be sent to you broken, it's almost certainly something in your mobo frying them
if it's a particular slot, you could avoid the slot, losing a channel i guess
sage crag
sam but with ram sticks
My #baking co-member told me motherboards keep eating his RAM sticks so I asked how many RAM sticks he has and he said he just sends an RMA email and gets a new RAM stick afterwards so I said it sounds like he's just feeding RMA'd RAM to motherboards and then his wallet started crying
olive sable
i did buy this mobo, cpu, and ram fromt he same guy, and they didn't have any issues with it
split steppe
that's what they all say :V
olive sable
the only other thing it could be is my PSU, but i dont think that would be it
split steppe
i have an nvidia gpu from ebay that ran fine for like a month and then started to hardlock+blackscreen the system on the regular if i gave it anything too demanding
if it was psu you'd have more problems
though it's a possibility
olive sable
im geussing they either overheated, the mobo's vrms are sending voltage spikes that kill them, or there is a physical short on the mobo
split steppe
i doubt overheating would be a problem
nocturne olive
i dont think ive ever seen 1.2V 3600mhz sticks
I've seen 1.2V 3200s
rough bloom
I am guessing overvoltage
olive sable
it was only 1.40v
rough bloom
try 1.3V or 1.35V 
olive sable
too late to try now
rough bloom
I mean with the next ones 
split steppe
overvoltage wouldn't fry it unless it's way out of bounds
rough bloom
so that they don't explod
rough bloom
overvoltage wouldn't fry it unless it's way out of bounds
ye, but it's the only thing I can think of that would kill them
split steppe
if anything higher xmp speeds need a little more voltage for stability
olive sable
they're not fried. they still boot and everything.
one specific bitlane is fuckd tho
split steppe
so it's your mobo
split steppe
is it always the same bitlane
olive sable
even on a different pc the ram was the issue
split steppe
well it would be after your mobo fries it :V
olive sable
maybe
rough bloom
they seem to die fairly quickly
so I don't think it would be bad to try lower voltage for a while, even if you can't run it at the highest XMP profile
split steppe
3x failed sets, one specific lane, one stick at a time tells me you have a slot shorting it
check if you've got a dead bug in there or something
1970s debugging time
olive sable
already did
opaque wharf
Is it always the same bitlane?
olive sable
1st rma i odnt have immediate pictures of, but the second one was alos a specific bit lane ont he ram
not the same bitlane
opaque wharf
Alright. Don't put the new RMA RAM on your mobo. Find someone to test it first