"How big is a pointer"
#programming
umbral wigeon
amber fractal
"How big is a pointer"
Size of my finger
umbral wigeon
"What happen when you move const"
These questions feel like getting punched in face
opaque wharf
"What happen when you move const"
Then you're getting into a list of suspicious people
olive sable
could you PLEASE elaborate on what you meant with that?
what in gods earth could you have meant with that abreviation???
leaden crest
competitive programming
amber fractal
olive sable
umbral wigeon
Then you're getting into a list of suspicious people
Then intreviewer forcing you to solve problems, nobody expected
ivory plinth
olive sable
amber fractal
umbral wigeon
How do people even get swe faang lmao
Questions are insane
(Maybe just ask intreviewer for help)
umbral wigeon
I have nothing to do, so im random posting on discord
sage crag
@safe path please fix channel
umbral wigeon
Please make me sleep
amber fractal
Shiro is admin tho
olive sable
shiro?
sage crag
shiro offline
olive sable
rare bridge
alooo
umbral wigeon
I'm sorry im drunk bro
olive sable
cloud please fix channel
amber fractal
rare bridge
what on earth is going on
olive sable
start here
amber fractal
Major acronym issue
umbral wigeon
He talking about comptiteve programming
rare bridge
yeah let's not abbreviate that 😭
sage crag
jagged turtle
What did I miss
sage crag
What did I miss <:neuroLookUp:1109915690971963392>
explosion
olive sable
amber fractal
Yes
olive sable
this one should also go probably
umbral wigeon
Some chinese neigbhor have more programming exps than yall
jagged turtle
what
umbral wigeon
amber fractal
olive sable
olive sable
<@186730180872634368> DinkDonk
thanks cloud 
jagged turtle
https://tenor.com/bSjcz.gif
in a sense every person is a script kiddie because they had to copy from one another
fickle rain
https://tenor.com/bSjcz.gif
true hemlock
wtf happened
maiden geyser
wtf happened
a little tomfoolery
warped narwhal
amber fractal
wtf happened
Acronym of competitive programming
true hemlock
HAAANKKKK
true hemlock
anyways who tf did it
maiden geyser
the thai dude above
leaden crest
whoopsies
olive sable
the thai dude above
the thai dude doxxed his location, it was andrewbotics that did the oopsie with competitive programming
fickle rain
Dumb ruling IMHO, but OK
I guess autoslopping is not in vogue :D
olive sable
in a competition about your skills as a programmer
you kinda dont want people to use things other than their own programming skills
jagged turtle
the thai dude doxxed his location, it was andrewbotics that did the oopsie with ...
what
leaden crest
we should make a geoguessr where neuro tries to guess where swarm members live /s /s /s /s /s /s
heavy emphasis on the /s
already been modded once dont want a warning today
opaque wharf
Come to Indonesia and guess where out of the thousands of inhabited islands I am 
jagged turtle
booking a flight right now /j
sage crag
rtfyguhijkolp;'[/
rigid snow
(baaast)d
stray dragon
hi konii
sage crag
hi t
stray dragon
hi konii
glass jetty
guys i have a question
do lsp servers process file entirely every time?
by protocol you send only changes, but how lsp work with it?
it is practical question tho
sage crag
ye
stray dragon
ye
opaque wharf
ye
sage crag
z
rigid snow
bee zee zee zee zee
sick owl
its gonna eat my dog
amber fractal
But the Estop is on the robot 
rigid snow
clear the area of all molecules, has to be perfect vacuum to function
any particles may apply forces that interfere with motion
azure lynx
But the Estop is on the robot <:evilDeadge:1150735483396161586>
hopefully there is a remote one on the controller too.
my robots all go into safe mode when i turn off the transmitter.
glass jetty
as long as power on - control signal always active
only issue if some one turn off control and go on conveyor
not fun to be that guy
- lags at least
glass jetty
||not long ago some one lost his arm||
glass jetty
https://tenor.com/view/community-chaos-chaotic-fire-gif-17636558
i heard client can disable sending incremental change and just send whole file
if there will be no perf difference id just do this
fast pagoda
language servers kinda have to do it at least once yeah? that's how they build source tree
then after it's depends on how lazy u are
tender river
guys i have a question
do lsp servers process file entirely every time?
by proto...
some do, some dont
depends on lsp
glass jetty
language servers kinda have to do it at least once yeah? that's how they build s...
like what will be diff for reasonably max 500 lines file
tender river
like what will be diff for reasonably max 500 lines file
its common to have like 10-20k loc source files
glass jetty
maybe just disable incremental for layer and do pre-process on whole every time
glass jetty
its common to have like 10-20k loc source files
i want lsp to answer immediately
between spending 2 days for layer and waiting additional 0.5 sec every time id choice first
discarded idea of changing rustc and rust-analyzer
tender river
i want lsp to answer immediately
between spending 2 days for layer and waiting a...
what are you talking about 
glass jetty
it will be no any better than just external preprocessor and fake rust ls for client
glass jetty
what are you talking about <:vedalUUH:1234565980827418644>
when i change strung to string i want lsp to answer without thinking, or like so, for any change
traumatized by msvc lsp
tender river
when i change strung to string i want lsp to answer without thinking, or like so...
reparsing the file is really fast
it takes like 1ms
parsing isnt the bottleneck in lsp design
glass jetty
why windows lsp for msvc from vscode think 1s then
opaque wharf
why windows lsp for msvc from vscode think 1s then
That's Microsoft issue, not LSP in general
sage crag
glass jetty
sure i use clangd and nvim native client
i know what speed is
glass jetty
yes 
tender river
clangd clangd clangd
sage crag
slowge
glass jetty
https://tenor.com/view/evil-pipes-evil-neuro-neuro-sama-gif-17176048630281604301
missing sound
need mp3
-# stock
fast pagoda
lsp bottlenecking
glass jetty
for real, can i just disable incremental and no see no feel any difference?
c preprocessor without regex for just not not_eq or and tokens will be blazing fast
echo heath
https://tenor.com/view/evil-pipes-evil-neuro-neuro-sama-gif-17176048630281604301
Ah my favorite
glass jetty
if rust analyzer will have to update internal tree for types and variable names, it prob will not be low cost
fast pagoda
unless the file is absolutely gigantic id be highly concerned w/ my env if it was noticable
glass jetty
ok, i guess i discard half of what i wrote then :xdx:
glass jetty
so will it be better to complete internal file state and update line, not range semantic, or do whole file
fast pagoda
and i think that's more about round trip latency rather than the actual parsing
fast pagoda
whole file is simpler to implement because ugga dugga
tender river
if rust analyzer will have to update internal tree for types and variable names,...
the way rust-analyzer works is by just caching anything
even on reparse, it doesnt recompute anything if nothing actually changed
glass jetty
are you sure? i not sure, that why i, idk, concerning
tender river
incremental algorithms are possible to implement, but keep in mind that parsing is fast, it really takes like a millisecond
while incremental parsing is both a maintenance burden and requires more computational resources
fast pagoda
one giant file
tender river
while incremental parsing is both a maintenance burden and requires more computa...
of course, i'll do it anyway
in my
editor
sage crag
glass jetty
json repo btw
257M json/
sage crag
dentleaf
tender river
NOT for performance reasons
fast pagoda
sage crag
fast pagoda
280hz
sage crag
freeeeeeeeee birrrrdd yeah
fast pagoda
minimum
fast pagoda
RIP minimum
glass jetty
ok fine
will parse entire file
now i need to look back and see what is actual structure on open/change/save
and is save even send text to lsp
and read about all other methods too
and when it will just work as layer, add preprocessor
tender river
ok fine
will parse entire file
now i need to look back and see what is actual st...
caching is really the easiest method
then
uh
read salsa docs
i think thats the easiest entry point
maybe
trim valve
if rust analyzer will have to update internal tree for types and variable names,...
iirc ra uses tree sitter which is incremental
though not entirely sure
tender river
iirc ra uses tree sitter which is incremental
i doubt it
its possible
but i doubt it
tender river
ok fine
will parse entire file
now i need to look back and see what is actual st...
i dont care if you use rust or not
read it
also
note that classic compilers are batch-mode, going through series of passes
while for lsp architecture, top-down (lazy, on-demand) evaluation is a better fit
sage crag
glass jetty
i aint gonna create language or anything
i just need line-context parse for tokens 'not' 'not_eq' 'and' 'or'
(to use rust)
tender river
sage crag
:owobred::ERT:
fast pagoda
:owobred::ERT:
i hate this place
33 sold
didnt even bother to offer free shipping for one(1) stick priced at 3k
mfw 100k for 33 sticks of ram
glass jetty
this hook is user defined
i can just define it here
well i spend some time trying to find how to do this, and today chatbot just returned it
lmms are shit even as tool
give me back usable search engines 
charaverk | ~/.config/nvim/lsp ~$ cat clangd.lua
return{
......
on_init = function(client)
-- * magic chatbot generated type(), tho it works (for clangd at least)
if type(client.server_capabilities.textDocumentSync) == 'table' then
-- 1 = TextDocumentSyncKind.Full (Send the whole file every time)
-- fix lsp say that it is integer, but in runtime it is table
--vim.print(vim.inspect(client.server_capabilities.textDocumentSync));
client.server_capabilities.textDocumentSync.change = 1
else
-- If it's just a number or nil, force it to 1
client.server_capabilities.textDocumentSync = 1
end
client.notify = function(arg1, arg2, arg3)
-- ! and NOW i can catch didOpen.....
vim.print(vim.inspect(arg3));
--vim.print(vim.inspect(arg1))
end
end
}
i no longer need clangd_fake layer
i can just redefine notify
only need to code preprocessor
i guess in lua then
i mean
local original = client.notify;
client.notify = function(arg1, arg2, arg3)
arg3 = preprocess(arg3);
original(arg1,arg2,arg3, maybe arg4?)
end
fuck i wasted 10+ hours for nothing
i mean i got back to starting point
rigid snow
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
glass jetty
olive sable
umbral wigeon
Me at 00:41 am
maiden geyser
is this true
olive sable
yes
opaque wharf
Also Evil
young oyster
i hate this place
Thats more than my entire pc, which has 64 gb of ddr5
sick owl
But the Estop is on the robot <:evilDeadge:1150735483396161586>
My killswitch is just the wall socket
UK sockets have one built in
sage crag
fast pagoda
Thats more than my entire pc, which has 64 gb of ddr5
64 is more than enough for the vast majority of uses i'd imagine
that price is one(1) stick
young oyster
I got 2 32 gb sticks and it was 1/3 that price. I have enough slots for 2 more if i wanted but my cpu cooler blocks at least 1 of the slots.
sick owl
Streaming plex while using 50% of the rest of my CPU time + 100% of my GPU on training smolvla
Is this considered abuse
fast pagoda
i am slowly but surely filling the 16 slots on my xeon board
as it stands rn this thing will have 704gb of ram kekw
which will total out in this room to .......
128 + 96 + 64 + 32 + 32 + 32 + 704
1088gb of ram available across the machines in here
just hoping the terminators leave me alone when they take pity on me thinking im just the shittiest hyperscaler ever
nocturne olive
that price is one(1) stick
One stick also has half the transfer rate of 2 sticks so it'll be slow
fast pagoda
"half the transfer rate" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. that's assuming dual channel consumer board, a workload that cares about bandwidth, and that the bottleneck is even memory throughput to begin with. single vs dual channel difference on something CPU or GPU bound is effectively a rounding error. if we're talking server platforms which is what those ecc sticks are then the channel count conversation gets a lot more complicated than "1 stick = slow." the xeon board in my closet has 12 channels so any combination in between 1-12 filled it'd be significantly more varied than that but yeah thanks
fast pagoda
yeah so in that specific circumstance it'd matter more, definitely would hurt it but even then half of the theoretical max in a realworld use with all the other factors affecting it would likely not see anywhere near a 50% performance difference overall
https://www.techspot.com/article/3066-single-stick-vs-dual-channel-ram/ 12% across all these
apus that share system ram for the gpu in workloads that push that to the max would probably be the single most impactful usecase i could think of
cunning rock
rigid snow
charming art i like
cunning rock
it's very me.
I sort of try to put effort in, but I am just not talented with drawing.
The best art there is the Neuro sprite by Kotgedev
rigid snow
i'm not talking about the neuro sprite yeah
cunning rock
this unholy abomination of a game runs without any extra dependencies with python.
The GUI is TKinter :DDDD
rigid snow
onyx valve
Hey all, I've never programmed before and I started learning python back in February. I took Vedals advice and tried making my own AI Vtuber. It works good and is ready to stream but she's stupid, unfunny, and the latency is 8-10 seconds. If anyone wants to look at my code (there's not that much of it) and help me out, I'd super super appreciate it cuz I'm dumb dumb and have never done this before. Thxx!
That oughta do it
nocturne olive
What are you using as the backend for it?
tender river
\> no extra dependencies
\> tkinter
tkinter is a builtin module
nocturne olive
And the hardware?
opaque wharf
tkinter is a builtin module
WHAT?!
nocturne olive
Huuuuuhhhhhh
onyx valve
What are you using as the backend for it?
MistralAI, specifically magistral-small-latest
nocturne olive
Are you using it locally?
onyx valve
And the hardware?
I'm on windows, recently got CUDA all working
opaque wharf
https://docs.python.org/3/library/tkinter.html
nocturne olive
I'm on windows, recently got CUDA all working
What GPU?
opaque wharf
https://docs.python.org/3/library/tkinter.html
That's news to me. An interesting one too
onyx valve
Are you using it locally?
Frick no I have little baby laptop
tender river
That's news to me. An interesting one too
there are other ones
nocturne olive
Frick no I have little baby laptop
I don't suggest relying on cloud compute entirely
But as a suggestion, use the OpenAI API streaming mode to start off with, as it lets you get tokens as they're generated
Your latency however most likely comes from the use of a low priority low compute cloud API
Since you're already in the 30B size class though, using Qwen 3.5 27B could potentially fix the stupidness problem, I hear it's quite good
onyx valve
I don't suggest relying on cloud compute entirely
But as a suggestion, use the O...
Yeah the model I'm using doesn't stream tokens so that's probably the cause for a lot of the wait. Dang ur right it probably is prety low priority
How much is OpenAI streaming mode?
fickle rain
Use Cerebras if you have $$$?
opaque wharf
there are other ones
The namespace is kinda all over the place lol
nocturne olive
Yeah the model I'm using doesn't stream tokens so that's probably the cause for ...
You need to pass "stream": true into the API
fickle rain
Best speed
nocturne olive
How much is OpenAI streaming mode?
It should be a standard feature with any OpenAI compatible API which presumably what you're using is
onyx valve
You need to pass `"stream": true` into the API
Yeah I need to find one that can do that
nocturne olive
What inference provider are you using?
onyx valve
idk I chose Mistral AI cuz it's so cheap
nocturne olive
Do be aware that the demand for AIVTs is entirely saturated by Neuro so you can't expect to make a profit
onyx valve
What inference provider are you using?
How do I find that out 😭
nocturne olive
Especially if your voice is like that of most other non-Neuro AIVTs
cunning rock
I chose TKinter partially for the challenge, partially since I do not want to package this, and this way common swarmite can just download python and press .bat file to launch it.
nocturne olive
How do I find that out 😭
Just look at what website you got the API token from
nocturne olive
I chose TKinter partially for the challenge, partially since I do not want to pa...
Meanwhile literally every other programming language that bundles dependencies with the distributed code
proven merlin
geforce laptop rtx 4050
That can run some decent models lol. I do everything from llms, to image video and looking into music generation on my rtx2060. Images take me about ~15s and 5s videos about 170s
nocturne olive
Java JAR files are a great example of just putting everything into the release distributable
cunning rock
I don't want to write Java 
This would be far easier with built in java libs actually
nocturne olive
That can run some decent models lol. I do everything from llms, to image video a...
No, no it can't
nocturne olive
I don't want to write Java <:neuroDeadge:1143202706329186324>
This would be far...
True
Kotlin better
Write Kotlin
proven merlin
No, no it can't
6gigs are quite useful with the right models like said, i run a 2060, 6gb aswell.
opaque wharf
Write Kotlin
Or swift now that it is available for android too
nocturne olive
6gigs are quite useful with the right models like said, i run a 2060, 6gb aswell...
I run a 3090 and most models I can run still suck
proven merlin
I run a 3090 and most models I can run still suck
A 30B moe works fairly decently on it for what it is. Its not SOTA ofc but yea
nocturne olive
Like Qwen 3.5 is the one exception for models that don't entirely suck
proven merlin
Not useless for testing for sure
cunning rock
I don't want to write with mcdonalds language
cunning rock
it's been infected with mcdonalds since it's on their page
nocturne olive
Tha's crazy
cunning rock
tbh, I could go for a chicken mcnugget right now
Do you think mcdonalds would sponser me 4 nuggets if I changed the project language to kotlin?
proven merlin
Like Qwen 3.5 is the one exception for models that don't entirely suck
Well qwen3.5 is a thing tho, and even the older qwens arent terrible.. gemma also is decent, espescially if you dont need perfect accuracy. Id say enough for a streamer start, and you can offload the big important stuff to a API anyway, and have the small model be the latency "bridge"/filler
nocturne olive
This handy little thing runs on Kotlin
proven merlin
Well qwen3.5 is a thing tho, and even the older qwens arent terrible.. gemma als...
Anyway, all i was trying to say is that a 6gb card isnt completly useless or incapable of running anything fun
You just compromise quite a bit
cunning rock
I am dumb and I always make this kind of logger myself for my projects,
I just like writing the logger part for some reason idk.
leaden crest
proven merlin
You just compromise quite a bit
(and yee, streaming tokens is likely better for this)
nocturne olive
Definitely won't be training any vocal synthesizers any time soon tho
proven merlin
Definitely won't be training any vocal synthesizers any time soon tho
Or train anything more than basic ML, yeah.
nocturne olive
Yeaaaaa
6GB is not amazing
proven merlin
As a user tho, its surprising what u can squeeze out of it
4gb gets tight, and often slow..
umbral wigeon
How to sleep
sick owl
I run a 3090 and most models I can run still suck
Qwen 3.5 27B rocks imo
Gemma 4 31B will rock if they do a 4bit QAT release like they did with Gemma 3
Right now it's a tad impractical
nocturne olive
Qwen 3.5 27B rocks imo
It's like one of very few that don't suck
sick owl
It's like one of very few that don't suck
This is true
I would say it's the first model in that size range to really feel like it comes close to the budget cloud offerings like Gemini Flash and the smaller ChatGPTs, as well as some of the older frontier models
leaden crest
How to sleep
ctrl alt delete then hit lock
cunning rock
the game just keeps expanding itself with the extra windows.
soon it will eat the whole screen
(each of those little boxes is closeable, so you end up with just tiny corner game when you don't actually actively play
onyx valve
Do be aware that the demand for AIVTs is entirely saturated by Neuro so you can'...
Yeah except I'm built different so
nocturne olive
Surely
I hope you have a good quality voice
The voice is a big part of the experience
cunning rock
One big issue is that even if you end up making something more fun compared to Neuro
it doesn't really even matter
The audience wont move
it has to be genuinely far far above Neuro to start moving audience there.
onyx valve
Do you think it's better if it sounds super believable, like a human, or more robotic like Miku or Neuro?
cunning rock
depends on the character personality and how the vtuber model looks
minor sail
bruh thats up to you man, everyone's gonna say different things
cunning rock
voice is important part of conveying character in this kind of space, everything has to match
nocturne olive
Do you think it's better if it sounds super believable, like a human, or more ro...
As long as it's not unpleasant to listen to
Avoid sharp high frequencies
nocturne olive
it has to be genuinely far far above Neuro to start moving audience there.
It'd have to cater to a completely different audiance entirely
cunning rock
probably
onyx valve
I messed around with qwen tts for a few weeks, it can design voices super super well. Super customizable. Can even combine ones.
Only one downfall
It cannot do non-enligsh native accents accurately
jagged turtle
Yeah except I'm built different so
you literally said "how do I find that out" as a response to "what's your inference provider", you are built different, and that would make it at least very hard for you to do this
onyx valve
Lmao cuz I've never done programing before in my life, started in February.
Literally no idea how anything works
jagged turtle
you definitely should learn before even trying then
jagged turtle
well idt you're gonna get much help here, at least probably not beyond some basic stuff anyways
insert #programming faq here or smth idk
onyx valve
I was just trynna get someone to read my code
jagged turtle
yea I thought so too
also i don't get what the API segment part is about
@amber fractal dinkdonk
onyx valve
Hey all, I've never programmed before and I started learning python back in Febr...
^ Just asking around for a better LLM and wanting suggestions for latency.
cunning rock
Iggly how dare you still exist in this channel.
You didn't support me during the Harpoon Wars of 2026, therefore you are my eternal enemy.
jagged turtle
lmao what
olive sable
Iggly how dare you still exist in this channel.
You didn't support me during the...
you're orange tho. you don't deserve support
jagged turtle
^ Just asking around for a better LLM and wanting suggestions for latency.
best I can give you is try running locally if possible and cut down on unnecessary wait times between input and generation/tts
cunning rock
If he gave me some more harpoons during middle stages of the war I would have won
cunning rock
harpoon spent to kill an innocent is harpoon well spent.
-Evil (probably), 2026
olive sable
jagged turtle
rigid snow
<:neuroCatUuh:1131629092475768884>
that's my honest opinion
jagged turtle
on...?
jagged turtle
understandable
rigid snow
how do you feel about the html in canvas api
jagged turtle
idk what canvas api you talking about but html in api doesn't sound like api to me
rigid snow
it dropped recently as an experimental flag in chromium canary, it basically allows you to draw call html that's already on the page
here example
warped narwhal
can't wait for non euclidean text selection
jagged turtle
lol
minor sail
one is just sparkles, the other is a sparkly pencil
jagged turtle
schema store issue?
nvm it seems we can't use tsconfig.app.json now https://github.com/SchemaStore/schemastore/commit/979bb17b767d05ebfb26a22f903cba117c7c339a
I don't know wtf this is about but 
cunning rock
the game just keeps expanding itself with the extra windows.
Felt lazy initially when I created these sub windows; they were spawned directly with functions in the main game loop that is supposed to handle the main window and the content happening in it.
Feels good to have refactored stuff now that each window has their own class based Core class that they inherit.
I can actually read the main gameloop again.
There was hundreds of lines of code to initialize different ui elements ect for each sub window there in the main game loop, and if I continued with that technical debt I would end up with idiotic mess that'd take days to clean later so I dare to publish the code
TLDR
Finishing refactoring code that you know will cause you issues later feels nice.
minor sail
Yes it does
wispy pike
I'm having trouble thinking of test plans for a project I'm supposed to be making a proposal for
cunning rock
like at what level?
do they want the whole testing pipeline or?
just jenkins it up and speak to them about how good AI is at writing robot framework tests (it's not, AI is horrible for complex test writing)
wispy pike
like at what level?
its my bachelor's capstone essentially
I'm writing an implementation of ML-KEM and ML-DSA for IoT devices, and I can't think of what scenarios to test and what outputs I should look for.
minor sail
Try testing at every level - even if just to verify functionality. Unit, integration, end to end, heck, throw in some load tests too
rigid snow
@amber fractal i have a nit for the voice section specifically, “voice cloning” tts models are commonplace now; the qwen one is popular but there are multiple others that are pretty solid - my whole point here being to just let go of rvc, it’s ancient at this point and requires a second inference step, and isn’t even necessary with these new models. “llms doing vocal out” either refers to that - tts on llm-based/adjacent architectures e.g. gpt-sovits, llasa or basically anything that comes out nowadays (these just use the llm part as a fancy translation model from regular text to speech tokens) - or omnimodal models which are either proprietary (black box, can’t tweak) or dead ecosystem wise (looking at you, qwen omni series when you were still open weight)
as for stt models, there are newer ones which all might be a very viable alternative to whisper, notably nvidia’s parakeet models
+bonus nit 
for vision, object detection is not a viable solution as it will not do what is expected from an llm that can “see”. for the purposes of making neuro a vlm is basically required. probably even one that can take video
cunning rock
Usually border accepted values and couple values from middle are safe enough.
Longer test suites that test everything are pretty standard these days.
But they are only run nightly instead of whenever merges are done.
So units and simpler tests should be done for all commits that are going to end up in master.
complex tests that actually use the product can be ran nightly ar at demand level.
load testing is usually done for actual releases. During the release period.
If you're planning on doing just single release then having it be part of nightly tests during development is fine.
well as you're going to be writing stuff focused on security.
The main issue is displaying the feature performs correctly under expected use of the device, and when the device is under attack.
Tests that display trying to fetch data from the device that would reveal vulnerability is important, like malformed messages can't somehow bypass security requirements etc.
Forming connection to the device by malforming the message. MQTT and WebSocket connections can sometimes allow this.
jagged turtle
got jumpscared by a reminder from cloudflare registrar
leaden crest
holy yap
rigid snow
cunning rock
Mostly malformed packages should lead to crashes instead of security issues, but security features should in my opinion be able to handle attack situation like this smoothly if possible.
So testing different kinds of malformed packages can be good.
from development perspective aswell
wispy pike
your tangent on attacks is interesting, but I don't think that malformed packets are much concern for a cryptographic algorithm - if the data's garbage it's likely to just reject the packet or crash I think
however, vulnerability to a DDoS attack can be important as well, but I don't know if the code sandwich that I'm supposed to be envisioning the implementation it in would necessarily have the ML-KEM or ML-DSA algorithms be the relevant function to handle that problem
cunning rock
if you only handle the cryptographic part, instead of whole authentication handling from when the connections are formed, then it is likely outside your scope of testing
wispy pike
hm, DDoS attacks on something using ML-DSA may be something testable
and I can't believe I invented a term that's the opposite of spaghetti code
cunning rock
unboiled dried-spaghetti code?
wispy pike
unboiled dried-spaghetti code?
code sandwich
code that has an obvious causal relationship between functions, simple, readable
cunning rock
but what if I sandwich yakisoba?
wispy pike
or in this case the whole thing with how encryption is layered into the process of network communication
wispy pike
but what if I sandwich yakisoba?
disgusting
cunning rock
How is it looking like actually for classic encryption methods RSA and stuff?
like one reason to do what you're doing is that people think traditional methods might be / will be become too vulnerable.
what is the state currently?
wispy pike
cloudflare claims that RSA and ECC are vulnerable to specific quantum algorithms, but no computer exists (yet) that could exploit the vulnerability
additionally I framed the project as an experiment done because in case one encryption algorithm is insufficient there's another that would be available to replace it, doing the work ahead of the exploit rather than waiting for it to happen
cunning rock
Big corporations are very interested in these kind of things sometimes
The amount of money it costs to do this (fixing security) when it becomes actual issue
is astronomical
so you might have actual good prospects with this research if you do stuff well. Corporate loves not having to spend money, and are willing to pay money to save a lot of money.
wispy pike
if anything this makes me understand why bank atm machines are so fucking slow
cunning rock
Isn't there security in slow responses themselves.
Hard to try to break anything when you get one response every 5 seconds.
minor sail
Hard to break something already half broken
olive sable
opaque sigil
ptxas error : Entry function '_ZN5bloom6detail20insertSequenceKernelINS_6ConfigILt31ELt21ELt27ELm6ELm256ELm768EmEEEEvPKmPKjS5_mS5_mPNS_6FilterIT_E5ShardE' uses too much shared data (0x13800 bytes, 0xc000 max) the bane of my existence 
olive sable
opaque sigil
olive sable
opaque sigil
i guess i can just increase the % that's made available as shared memory, surely the lack of L1 space is going to be fine 
shy jetty
gguys i got a question
the neuro's osu ai, was it trained with only vision or did vedal use the map's data
im not sure
Idk if that was talked about in reddit but im too lazy to check
olive sable
it means amd memory controller hates me
unless a stick died somehow
i dont really feel like troubleshooting this
stray dragon
reduce memory speed, increase SoC voltage
if a stick didn't die then that should probably fix the issue
nocturne olive
SamVanTriangle: infinite cheap GPUs, infinite free RAM problems
olive sable
While i was at it i undervolted my cpu
shy jetty
downscaled vision
That make sense. Thanks
shy jetty
SamVanTriangle: infinite cheap GPUs, infinite free RAM problems
Free ram? In 2026?
nocturne olive
RAM issues
shy jetty
Ram always have issues.
sick owl
FUCK
Don't panic yet, it could very well be that you're just using the wrong expo profile
olive sable
Im on xmp1
1st stick i tried failed.
Lets see the 2nd stick
2nd stick passed 
Surely changing to a diffrent gpu shouldnt affect ram
nocturne olive
If it has different behavior on power ripple somehow mabe?
Very far fetched tho
olive sable
The 7900xtx uses only 5W more tho
3rd stick passed
4th stick fails
2 sticks failing would make it either really bad muck, but its 99% sure the mem controller
olive sable
Welp, upped the voltage from 1.40 to 1.45
Still fucked
Fuck it, no more T1, it will probably work with T2
true hemlock
okay before you follow anyone elses advices
olive sable
true hemlock
what you did beforehand?
olive sable
In terms of debugging?
olive sable
Nope
olive sable
Yep
olive sable
While i was at it i undervolted my cpu
Ignore this, i completely disabled PBO and everything just to make sure that wasnt the issue
olive sable
2dpc?
olive sable
4 sticks ye
true hemlock
amd's am4 imc shouldn't be bad
olive sable
2 of them failed even when only running 1 at a time
cunning rock
why is yellow name so popular in #programming is it like faction flag?
true hemlock
oh
true hemlock
why is yellow name so popular in <#1071784467036913664> is it like faction flag?
banana.
olive sable
Banana campaign
true hemlock
2 of them failed even when only running 1 at a time
but still boots somehow?
olive sable
Yep
true hemlock
okay i'd rule out playing around signal amp
olive sable
Maybe i cooked the mem controller by setting soc to 1.17v
true hemlock
FUCK
i noticed some quirks
if you noticed, on all the value comparison
the 8th value from left side is the one always being different
just in case, when you individually tested the ram
which slot do you put them in
true hemlock
can you maybe test both the failing ram
olive sable
Sure
true hemlock
its really odd when the failure is always on that one specific hex value
true hemlock
e - c
8 - a
6 - 4
9 - b
a - 8
3 - 1
7 - 5
0 - 2
okay its hella suspicious the difference is always 2
true hemlock
A broken trace in my mobo?
the ram itself possibly
probably knocked off the emi filtering cap
or
according to what i see that its consistently off by 2 in the hex, completely zeroed or one trace on the ram
but i need both to be tested
true hemlock
e - c
8 - a
6 - 4
9 - b
a - 8
3 - 1
7 - 5
0 - 2
okay its hella suspicious the d...
its the 33rd byte possibly
no one in here seriously noticed this?
really tells me this isn't signal integrity nor addressing problems so rules out xmp/expo/voltage/timings stability
olive sable
I wouldnt know that is out of the ordinary 
true hemlock
even if only the 33rd byte has integrity problems it should've been random
but in this case its always fail
olive sable
this is the first stick
olive sable
I dont think i have a missing cap on my mobo
true hemlock
huh, first stick seems to be randomly offsetting with 2 and 4
so im assuming its 50th and 51th bit
odd that it just never offsets 6
olive sable
Maybe interference between traces?
true hemlock
so the 2 bits flipped randomly taking turns
okay
have you tested other mem testing software or like tested running something on them
the problem is so bizarre i seriously doubt its hardware fault
unless if god for some reason decided it would've been so funny to randomly add some funny xor logics into your ram traces just to fuck with you
olive sable
I didnt test other mem test software, but duscord does crash a lot in the last day, same with firefox.
On the bad sticks i also judt had hyprland not booting easily
Sometimes had to go to tty3 and switch back to tty2
2nd stick
took me a bit cuz i didnt remember which of the sticks gave issues
true hemlock
so its consistently like that
😭
okay
now im suspecting its the internal dram controller issues
where it accidentally offseted something like the trace or some shit
and specific to that exact bit i mentioned
olive sable
you said something about the rams ticks maybe misisng a filter, but im not noticing anything missing comapred tot he workign sticks
olive sable
oh
true hemlock
the ram's internal controller
olive sable
FAILURE: possible bad address line at offset 0x0000000089cedc8
When an address line is bad, the CPU tries to write to one "mailbox" in the RAM, but the data ends up in a different one (or nowhere at all) because the "wiring" (the address path) is faulty.
less of address and more of possibly during fetching it messed up specific bit
possibly wiring gets fucked
olive sable
The RMA "Dud" (Most Likely): You likely received a "Friday afternoon" kit
why does ram keep breaking for me?
this is so unfair
true hemlock
you're not the only one
except in our case it might be just that 32gb dimms are so ass to work with
olive sable
just to make sure. the ram was still int he packaging and everything so i had assumed it would be fine. but the post office did put the ram kit through my mailbox thing in the door and it probably fell 90cm
woudl that cause issues like this?
olive sable
except in our case it might be just that 32gb dimms are so ass to work with
they're all 16gb
olive sable
i wonder if is till have a screenshot form my old issues
if its the same that would be fucked
true hemlock
but well that's the furthest i can help with when everyone elses "try different xmp/voltage" advice doesn't work
true hemlock
i wonder if is till have a screenshot form my old issues
oh now i'd really like to know
what are the chances they just sent back the same kit
or they repaired it but messed up some bga shit
im pretty sure this aint even addressing issues
so its the data lines
olive sable
i thought they sent new kits instead of repairing
olive sable
didnt find screenshots
but found pictures of my screen
Seems to be the very last bit
this was on only 1 stick
and it failed on any timings, even very loose ones
lemme check if this one works at lower timings
So specific bits being wrong is a reocurring issue
I wonder why some of my ram has it and some dont
kind nimbus
`The RMA "Dud" (Most Likely): You likely received a "Friday afternoon" kit` <:ne...
I thought it's called a "Monday kit" lol
olive sable
friday afternoon is whn you dont care cuz its almost weekend and you want to get of work
monday is when you're grumpy
kind nimbus
In Germany we have the sayword "Montagsmodell" which is basically Monday model / Monday kit 
amber fractal
also i don't get what the API segment part is about
The API is a wildcard mostly, could be split into games and other programs
amber fractal
<@405184938045079552> i have a nit for the voice section specifically, “voice cl...
It wasn't a lust for old tech, more like RVC was all I really knew existed well, RVC might still make sense in a more custom area but it's fate is always the same; getting merged into the LLM
tacit plover
Learning to make an rts-style point and click character movement in godot
patent shard
I'm crossposting to here
man, this is painful to do.. why did I make it under 1MB
to have remotely listenable audio, that only leaves about 250kb for the video
which, imo, is about 24kbps, no parametric stereo
the good thing is the encoder behaved fairly well here without having an aggressive sbr start (which can add a lot of noise and remove important harmonics) and also 11.5khz of frequencies (I'd like 12khz... but oh well.. can't change the lowpass with this encoder)
amber fractal
why is your name so blue
New color drops 
midnight sigil
patent shard
perhaps just some gaps in the frequencies
olive sable
why did you stick to the cooler?
If it was in there that tight then the noctua cooler being the chonky boy it is, would have been pulling on the cpu
jagged turtle
The API is a wildcard mostly, could be split into games and other programs
true
opaque wharf
<:catdespair:1087521982817509426> why did you stick to the cooler?
Hey @fast pagoda
amber fractal
Tbf I need to work on the other branch with the best name I've come up with in awhile
tacit plover
why is your name so blue
New colour roles
Thankfully there's a github with dota-style pathing code
young plover
<:catdespair:1087521982817509426> why did you stick to the cooler?
Done that to a PGA CPU before. Helps to warm it up and twist it.
olive sable
Should be fine
fast pagoda
where pins
olive sable
No bent pins
fast pagoda
olive sable
Went nicely back into the socket
patent shard
perhaps just some gaps in the frequencies <:ICANT:1093292528066904195>
wait, I think I screenshotted the wrong one
olive sable
My hands and besheets have thermal paste on them now tho
fast pagoda
just dont get it in your eyes
fast pagoda
you will get eye cancer instantly
it definitely had a bit extra coming out the sides lol
the eye thing isay because i was just cleaning some paste up and read the warning on the paste i had
and yeah it is basically like
ur eyes will fall off bro
do NOT
get it in ya eyes
olive sable
I will try
patent shard
wait, I think I screenshotted the wrong one
yeah, I did
went ahead and lowered the resolution to make it less blurry, too
patent shard
you just need to change to mp4
young plover
Stream #0:0: Video: av1 (libdav1d) (Main), gray(pc, unknown/bt709/bt709, progressive), 192x108 [SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 1 fps, 1 tbr, 1k tbn
Stream #0:1(eng): Audio: speex ([9][161][0][0] / 0xA109), 8000 Hz, 1 channels, flt, 2 kb/s, start 0.007000 (default)
wtf is speex
midnight sigil
mp4 doesn't support the specific audio codec I used(speex)
patent shard
kinda similar to hybrid encoder opus, I think?
but more listenable, lol
just tried hard-cbr 2kbps opus, it's bad
young plover
❯ 7z a -mx9 output.7z output.mkv
Creating archive: output.7z
Add new data to archive: 1 file, 194775 bytes (191 KiB)
Archive size: 97133 bytes (95 KiB)
We can go smaller
midnight sigil
smh archive file doesn't count
patent shard
I like this audio better
but it may be slightly higher bitrate, idk
midnight sigil
where are the middle bands
patent shard
the encoder is whistling Listening
young plover
I like this audio better
but it may be slightly higher bitrate, idk
sounds like someone whistling along in the shower 
patent shard
that may be why it sounds that way
patent shard
a lot of encoders don't support 8khz sample rate
but raising that is going to eat a lot of bitrate :/
Vorbis supports 4khz sample rate? waaaat
that's a shame, this is as low of a bitrate as I think it allows
patent shard
I want something compatible with Discord
tender river
blue
jagged turtle
opaque wharf
Blue = ReactJS = Hate
jagged turtle
aintneurway
jagged turtle
Blue = ReactJS = Hate <:enub:1163912230585237655>
Wrong blue
React blue is similar to aqua name colour here
like this
hushed creek
yyou can give me the colors too
opaque wharf
React blue is similar to aqua name colour here
Oh so we have aqua
jagged turtle
Oh so we have aqua
That was always there
hushed creek
ask hatsune miku
jagged turtle
I always had that on because it was the closest to blue I could have
hushed creek
I know what she likes
jagged turtle
ask hatsune miku
opaque wharf
That was always there
I didn't know lol
jagged turtle
I didn't know lol
bro was hating on blue
jagged turtle
konii
hushed creek
mmmmmm...
sage crag
the blue is a nice shade
jagged turtle
this feels like basically gray
sage crag
i didnt like it much at first
sage crag
sage crag
i not
true hemlock
<:catdespair:1087521982817509426> why did you stick to the cooler?
damn i might have that same exact heatsink
jagged turtle
I think @hushed creek is lost everyone, you think we should help?
midnight sigil
neuroMlem
sage crag
until i think of a new serverwide campaign
midnight sigil
I think <@1469367917912264829> is lost everyone, you think we should help?
nah dude just need some 💊
jagged turtle
nah dude just need some 💊
probably
hushed creek
her body so warm
opaque wharf
until i think of a new serverwide campaign
Touch grass campaign. Be green
jagged turtle
scratch that, definitely
olive sable
Hi konii
sage crag
until i think of a new serverwide campaign
since we have more colours it could be something like "open ocean"
opaque wharf
since we have more colours it could be something like "open ocean"
Open forest
jagged turtle
I'll be part of the Great Barrier Reef supporters with this blue
olive sable
Konii, why does ram hate me?
Does the triangle make me deserve ram death?
sage crag
jagged turtle
although idk if aqua blue would fit better
jagged turtle
Konii, why does ram hate me?
Does the triangle make me deserve ram death?
surprised the gpus haven't bestowed gpu death upon you
midnight sigil
I have my Miku
cap, show your miku merch
jagged turtle
nice embed
sage crag
hushed creek
But I do make sure she doesn't talk to anyone else
sage crag
hushed creek
Oh this is the programming channel
jagged turtle
sir, the schizo channel is right over here
sage crag
ye channel for NOT baking user
jagged turtle
Oh this is the programming channel
no this is the technical channel
jagged turtle
guys why am I glueless
midnight sigil
guess who heavily uses macros in C
tender river
youre all nerds
except for me
opaque wharf
except for me
Says the biggest nerd
sage crag
guess who heavily uses macros in C
everyone who wants to pretend polymorphism is real and not void* ptr
jagged turtle
Says the biggest nerd
jagged turtle
I love failing ci
midnight sigil
what did OOP do to my guy
flint dome
i fucking HATE oop i fucking dont want to use it
jagged turtle
??? bro it's been preserve module and bundler module resolution since the beginning wtf?
jagged turtle
i fucking god damn hate classes
why, may I ask?
flint dome
why, may I ask?
i dont know i just dont understand them even if how hard i try
midnight sigil
i fucking god damn hate classes
dang you must've be using Python
flint dome
<:PauseSama:1094993785412395151> dang you must've be using Python
java
midnight sigil
oh...
jagged turtle
i dont know i just dont understand them even if how hard i try
what do you not understand about them?
the entire thing?
midnight sigil
it's just parents having a bunch of kids
flint dome
i understand it --> next day i forget it completely
jagged turtle
it's just parents having a bunch of kids
yeah something like that
flint dome
its more of a personal skill issue
but this occurs more to classes
never occured in cs to me to anything else
sage crag
vtables are related to oop and are a form of rtti
rtti means
runtime type information
jagged turtle
should I stop signing my git commits with gpg and just use ssh for it
I feel like the "standard" gpg client for windows is too slow atp
but at the same time I don't want to have to unlink my keys from my account because otherwise all my commits show as unverified
should I implement pointers for Awalang
midnight sigil
what does it have to do with code mutation
jagged turtle
new Human()
midnight sigil
am I 
sage crag
self-modifying code
sage crag
am I <:neuro5head:1109895386916737054>
no
once you have ability to read and write arbitrary values to memory addresses you can modify a program at runtime
concessions of allowing more freedom is also allowing more badness
olive sable
surprised the gpus haven't bestowed gpu death upon you
only ram has it out for me it seems
midnight sigil
once you have ability to read and write arbitrary values to memory addresses you...
but Awa doesn't have a memory space
jagged turtle
only ram has it out for me it seems
weirdge
tender river
once you have ability to read and write arbitrary values to memory addresses you...
only in von neumann
olive sable
Considering what ive seen happen on my laptop, i treat my desktop gpus pretty well
That 3050m has seen horrors like no others
midnight sigil
<:cybuero:1452836724366643260> but Awa doesn't have a memory space
I mean I can make a dereferencing feature, which dereferences a register value, and it'll point to a value on the stack
sage crag
I mean I can make a dereferencing feature, which dereferences a register value, ...
ld
also
sage crag
wrrrrr
young plover
only in von neumann
Awesome self-modifying code vs evil and intimidating page table
midnight sigil
`ld`
so, an instruction that moves the Xth place value on the stack to a specific register
olive sable
maybe ram not broken?
@true hemlock im losing braincells each second
so i went from 2 broken sticks to 1 broken stick
is it a software issue?
surely its not a software issue
welp, imma retest all sticks
opaque wharf
separating data and code for coward
But it's clean
Isn't that functional the programmer's final dream. A function that only transforms data
true hemlock
maybe ram not broken?
and it fucking works?
olive sable
3 out of 4 now
true hemlock
so i went from 2 broken sticks to 1 broken stick
what's the result on the broken one
olive sable
Still same looking 1 bit wrong
tender river
Isn't that functional the programmer's final dream. A function that only transfo...
no?
true hemlock
erf
olive sable
Isn't that functional the programmer's final dream. A function that only transfo...
Do normal functions not change data?
Sam, killer of ram
sage crag
Do normal functions not change data?
functions can loosely be classed into ones with side effects and ones without side effects
olive sable
sage crag
ones without side effects are better behaved
olive sable
New idea
The soecific data lines that fail have slightly higher resistance or something
And the 5950x hates it
Im testing on the 13400
sage crag
wrrrr
amber fractal
midnight sigil
amber fractal
at this point I am trained to assume the box is the emote from my name
olive sable
Its not
Even my phone cant see it
13400 works
Lets see if the ram works
The stock ram is micron 
amber fractal
olive sable
The ram is def still broken in the 13400
glad path
how does THIS happen
opaque wharf
how does THIS happen
Wdym how? Of course by hidden quantum fluctuation energy!
In all seriousness, it is the charger detection that is wrong
tender river
the phone charged on credit knowing it'll be able to recoup the losses soon
opaque wharf
The charger is plugged and giving power but the sensor didn't detect it
glad path
how did it charge linearly in a perfect line
while not plugged
also its a laptop not a phone
midnight sigil
do they do smoothings
glad path
<:neuroSensei:1457993233547137125> do they do smoothings
its probably cause of that
it was plugged in but fully off because the battery died
midnight sigil
they always seem to do linear increments
opaque wharf
It's also possible the max charge is capped so it does become linear
glad path
so it was missing data and the smoothing algorithm prolly just made a line because of it
9 | 9
i put so much effort into that essay
jagged turtle
how does THIS happen
uhhhh what
patent shard
<:GETHIM:1168966435184324709>
there's a national holiday called "a" 
olive sable
there's a national holiday called "a" <:vedalNoted:1163928173390598255>
Oh what
They typod lmao
I wonder if its an automated message or just one guy that didnt get a break
true hemlock
24V rn, 2.4A