programming

[burnt aurora]

as long as it does the thing well enough

the main use cases are

• downloading wifi drivers to laptops
• doing basic stuff on a compaq 6000 sff

now the prize question, how should i go about it

[olive sable]

should be fine then

get a used one

[burnt aurora]

i have one

[olive sable]

ah

then its free

[burnt aurora]

do i put raspi os on it and a script on top of that, or is there a way to do it much more low level

idk if i have a sufficient sd crd for raspi os, the biggest free ones lying around are 4gb

[olive sable]

i think rasp pi os lite

and then use dnsmasq maybe?

[rough bloom]

[burnt aurora]

i once tried to do the thing on my main laptop, but it randomly broke

-# was vibe coded shell tho so no wonder

[rough bloom]

if that Pi is only a WiFi adapter / router then mabe you can put OpenWrt on it

should need barely any storage too

[burnt aurora]

idk if it's ever been used for anything in its life actually

probably one of those "that's neat, i'll have an idea and then never go thru with it" purchases of dad's

so yeah, being a wifi adapter only is still gonna be the most it's ever done

[fast pagoda]

more ram required

[burnt aurora]

about the storage

8 megs

for all i know the pi may have that onboard somewhere

[rough bloom]

ye

[fast pagoda]

if a wrt54g had it then a pi does

[rough bloom]

since OpenWrt is made for potato routers that have barely any flash

I don't think the Pi 3B has any onboard storage, but the Pi 4 does

[burnt aurora]

1GB RAM

[fast pagoda]

pi 3billion params

[burnt aurora]

no storage

finally, a use case for one of the 3 1GB MicroSD cards

[nocturne olive]

Well according to all comparisons I could find, the 4070 Ti super is faster in gaming

[burnt aurora]

-# i feel like the box may desire that 3090

[nocturne olive]

That's what the whole conversation is about if you backread 10 messages up

[burnt aurora]

sil

-# i feel like the box may be researching in directions that support the trade

-# (it's what i would do)

[nocturne olive]

Eh, I'm researching my typical trustworthy sources

[fast pagoda]

chatgpt 3.

[nocturne olive]

All sources I've found say that 4070 Ti super is better in gaming, while 3090 is better for AI and productivity workloads

[fast pagoda]

4070 ti super should be like 15-30% faster in games unless vram is a problem somehow

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

i think even the 4070 ti was faster

non super

[burnt aurora]

shocking numbers

[nocturne olive]

Yeah it's slightly faster
Thus why it's my gaming and render host

Rather than my 3090

Also 16 gigs of VRAM definitely won't be an issue unless you start 4K gaming

[fast pagoda]

right that's why i said somehow

i havent played any games in so long i dont even know how much vram gets used when i play a game on this thing since i wont be capped at 10gb anymore

[burnt aurora]

even 8GB are fine, the only game that ever ran out was Forza Horizon 5 on maximum settings 1440P

[fast pagoda]

i had problems with 3080 10gb into 1440p but especially at 4k

[olive sable]

i need vram still for rendering and stuff in blender

so 8gb is too low for me

[nocturne olive]

I've never ran out of VRAM on 12GB 1440p

[fast pagoda]

but yeah vram isnt really a gaming concern to me anymore

[burnt aurora]

ofc i haven't tried a lot of AAA, and no Cyberpunk, but FH5 should be a good benchmark because it's terribly unoptimised and very recent, while meant to be a graphical showcase for a new console generation

[nocturne olive]

Outside of ML workloads of course

[rigid snow]

my router has 64mb ram and 2mb flash LMAO

works totally fine

openwrt does take like 5-10 minutes to boot tho

which might be suboptimal but how often do you reboot your router anyway

[burnt aurora]

there's an image for raspi, neat

apparently i just flash that to the sd and boot

[rigid snow]

yeah that's with most things on rpi

[true hemlock]

3090Ti = 4070Ti

[olive sable]

oh quack is here

there is a 3090ti for 450

but

the red vga light on the mobo goes on sometimes anf the image output stops

[burnt aurora]

i took it out of the case

Pi 3B+ 2017

[rough bloom]

3B+

Gigabit Ethernet

and

slightly less horrible WiFi

[burnt aurora]

yay

💀

[olive sable]

noway

a button

[burnt aurora]

uhh
idk if it's 32b or 64b

[olive sable]

idk either lol

[sage crag]

openwrrrt

[burnt aurora]

hm, the other firmware page has a specific one for pi 3b+ so i'll take that

[nocturne olive]

the walking perfomance comparer

[rough bloom]

both would work

[sage crag]

hsnu.ixe

cheesi

[rough bloom]

ying

ying

[sage crag]

wrr

[olive sable]

i want to know whether the partially broken 3090ti is fixable

wrrr

[rough bloom]

the Pi 3B+ SoC supports aarch64

but the larger address space is not actually needed because only 1 GB RAM

RPi OS used to build for 32-bit for the same reason
hopefully they don't do that anymore

[burnt aurora]

so i have to wait for 5-10min now?

until it boots

[rough bloom]

should be way faster on a Pi

[burnt aurora]

it's lit up red and blinking green, so power is there and stuff is happening

is there more to it than

get image
flash image to sd
insert sd
power on pi?
the guide is difficult to navigate

[rough bloom]

no, OpenWrt should already be running

[rigid snow]

shouldn't be

[rough bloom]

Pi should have the IP 198.168.1.1 on the Ethernet port now

[burnt aurora]

does it output over… something
i half expected it to display a terminal over the hdmi port

[rigid snow]

5-10min for me because router is ancient

[burnt aurora]

(it doesn't)

[rigid snow]

not because it should take that long

[rough bloom]

good chance that it doesn't, routers don't commonly have an HDMI port

[high brook]

I once flashed open wrt onto a router and slaved it to the mian house router.

Used it as a wireless bridge

[rough bloom]

will probably output over the serial pins?
but using Ethernet to configure it will be much easier

[burnt aurora]

i am trying to make the pi become a wifi card basically
just over ethernet instead of usb

[rigid snow]

just plug it into something that has an ethernet port, or maybe the ap is on by default so you can use wifi?

[high brook]

So a wirless bridge?

[burnt aurora]

[burnt aurora]

probably yes

[high brook]

Doable with raspian honestly

[rigid snow]

yeah doable with any distro

[burnt aurora]

doable on 4GB of MicroSD tho?

[rigid snow]

for sure

[high brook]

Dod years ago when I dod a pihole set up

[burnt aurora]

hm

[rigid snow]

alpine linux is what

100 mb

[burnt aurora]

oh true alpine

but alpine is scary because i have no esckey

[olive sable]

i should just ping quack

[high brook]

You just need to share the incoming wireless signal with yhe outgoing ethernet connection

[olive sable]

@true hemlock you know gpus, is this fixable?

[burnt aurora]

when putting that on the compaq 6k sff, i had to reboot during installation multiple times and start over because i found one-way streets

[high brook]

Your standard linux network gui let's you do this

[burnt aurora]

that's me!

[sick owl]

The best way to play

[burnt aurora]

3DS?

[sick owl]

DSi

[burnt aurora]

[rigid snow]

this triggers me so much for some reason

why are you so against using a purpose built distro for the exact purpose

has a nice web ui and everything

[rigid snow]

the exact opposite of bloat

[burnt aurora]

why

[rough bloom]

I didn't know about that one

[high brook]

Im not. I just try to steer new linux users to easy to understand tooling

[burnt aurora]

oh cool there's a page for what i'm trying to do

[rigid snow]

openwrt is like the easiest option

[rigid snow]

you shouldn't even need a page, you just go into wireless and connect to the wifi

network

[high brook]

Not always looks at dead router from first attempt

[rough bloom]

I'm not sure if this needs snat or not

hopefully it does not

[burnt aurora]

how new is 2-3 years of daily driving

[high brook]

Oh wait. You xoda

Username threw me

[burnt aurora]

i didn't even notice you're wispers

[rigid snow]

to be fair flashing a router might be a bit more sketchy than flashing an sd card you put in a rpi

[nocturne olive]

Oh I have one of those

[burnt aurora]

you have the best version's best edition

nothing tops the mario 25th dsi xl

[nocturne olive]

Truly sily indeed

[nocturne olive]

When the NSP team encounters other NSP team members without even realizing be like

[burnt aurora]

that do be where i know him from

[nocturne olive]

Funnily barely anyone outside the NSP team knows Wispers is in the NSP team core

[high brook]

Lol hell I'm in programming chat while out on a bike ride

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[high brook]

Tis a nice day

[burnt aurora]

as expected i'll be doing this another day

but thanks a lot, i think i have everything i need now

[high brook]

I got a nice e bike I like to cruise around on

[burnt aurora]

oi, the pi is getting quite warm

[high brook]

Grab the nearest pentuim 4 heat sink

[burnt aurora]

me no have

[high brook]

I cooled a pi 3 with a stock p4 heatsink

[burnt aurora]

the nearest heat sink is in use

it does have a heat sink

but that's so tiny

[high brook]

That p4 heatsink was a solid 500g of copper

[burnt aurora]

It was in a case that only had holes at the top so this is a drastic airflow improvement

[rigid snow]

are you by any chance planning to use this to have ethernet in a hotel

[high brook]

I got a Pic somewhere

[burnt aurora]

No

[rigid snow]

dorm room

[burnt aurora]

It's wayyyy stupider

I'm planning to use this at home

Because my room jsut doesn't have ethernet

[rigid snow]

that's solvable

by just

having a long cable

[burnt aurora]

If the pi doesn't work out, I'm repurposing this thing

[rigid snow]

[burnt aurora]

May i introduce
Door

And a gremlin cat who chews on every wire she sees

Brb

[high brook]

Hafound ut!

Pi 3b with a p4 heatsink

[nocturne olive]

May I introduce the underside of the door

The underside of my door is where my ethernet goes

[rigid snow]

i wonder how she'll react if brought there

[nocturne olive]

"Cat.exe has stopped responding: too many cable"

[amber fractal]

It is time to feast

[rigid snow]

i remembered that particular instance because the guy quite literally has the cable his pc is connected with right on the floor of a massive hallway right across

the cable was in a coil so it's not straight either

nightmare nightmare nightmare

diagram

[burnt aurora]

Holy shi

[burnt aurora]

Oughta be too thin

[high brook]

Those pentium 4s ran hot

[burnt aurora]

Playground supreme

[nocturne olive]

Eh, cables aren't very thick

[burnt aurora]

The real database is the friends we made along the way

[high brook]

The pc i pulled it out of had a single large fan with a shroud going right to thst massive copper block.

[burnt aurora]

So like my core 2 quad compaq 6ksff

[high brook]

FYI I was testing a buddies parsec host vsnd the pi 3 docs mentioned needing a heatsink

[burnt aurora]

That one is silver tho

[high brook]

This was an xp era machine lop

[burnt aurora]

Ye 2009 win7 here

[high brook]

They didnt say i couldn't use a pound of copper as a heatsink lol

[burnt aurora]

11€ pc with 5€ monitor

[high brook]

Nice

[burnt aurora]

Opus Magnum runs better than Half-Life because the iGPU just won't cooperate

[high brook]

The box in this pic is an hp micro server using a duel core opteron

A ddr4 opteron

[fast pagoda]

hypothetically speaking if a hard drive were being a precocious little scamp and launch itself completely randomly into the air and into a desk then the ground
what might one expect be the chance it functions after
asking for a friend

it doesnt have anything rattling lmao

[burnt aurora]

I have a computer curse
The caclulator's screen broke, the laptop's gpu burnt, the netbook had dozens of faults, the compaq has igpu issues and no displayport out

As long as super's hardware will work fine…

[burnt aurora]

Street Fighter: Duel Core

[burnt aurora]

Ehhh probably fineee

[high brook]

I still have it. Used it at a jellyfish server for a long time

[fast pagoda]

it's sas surely it's fine due to being enterprise stronk

[high brook]

I had an old Toshiba drop 10 foot (about 3 meters) onto concrete and work fine

[fast pagoda]

i think i'd be more worried if it were full of clearly shattered metal things audible inside

[high brook]

It was my first portable drive lmao

[fast pagoda]

putting it to the test

[burnt aurora]

Btw what does it mean when a 10TB Toshiba NAS300 HDD is rocking back and forth in my hand a bit after powering on

[high brook]

I also had an.old dell laptop get Frisbee tossed out a 2nd story window and be fine

[fast pagoda]

centrifugal force is still functioning @burnt aurora

[high brook]

Like torqe?

[fast pagoda]

even tho it's not real

it acts like a gyroscope

the momentum of the drive spinning at like 7200 rpm does not really want to change axis

so it pushes 90 degrees off the direction you're turning it

[high brook]

Its basically a gyroscope

[fast pagoda]

yeah like that is just how gyroscopes owrk

[burnt aurora]

But it felt different to other same size hdds

Not circular

Linear

Like a heartbeat almost

[fast pagoda]

maybe it was just unbalanced?

[burnt aurora]

Maybe

[high brook]

Too much data on one side

[fast pagoda]

or had more heft to the platters in general

or maybe the heads were actively crashing

[burnt aurora]

Because that's the main point of concern surrounding the deal between super and i
He gets 10TB
I get used mobo, ssd, ram, psu

[fast pagoda]

what's the SMART report say

[burnt aurora]

It zeroed out just fine and the only smart errors were age old
Super said they're probably a dodgy sata cable

[fast pagoda]

i have an 8tb toshiba NAS300 i woner if i can feel it

[burnt aurora]

1000h old error

[fast pagoda]

you said it's right when it turns on? could just be the heads seeking

[burnt aurora]

No, i said that it can take a few to a dozen seconds before it starts

And then it never goes away

[fast pagoda]

it might not start till it hits 7200

[high brook]

Or a dodgy sata controller. I lost about 400 gb of data during a big data backup when my sata controller bugged out from a large transfer

[burnt aurora]

My only guess was heads flicking to one side rhythmically for some reason

[fast pagoda]

that to me says unbalanced due to some issue with the bearing or something

[burnt aurora]

So probably nothing to worry about with a drive that'll mostly be used as a video archive

[fast pagoda]

uhhhhhh

sureeeeeeeeeee

[burnt aurora]

That's not very reassuring

Just noticed, it's been a year since i finished a piece so i should take off the artist role

Welp @nocturne olive mabe backread this, seems the drive should be fine (I'll still give you that 3 year data recovery warranty tho)

[nocturne olive]

Hem

[sage crag]

i had to

add some overhead to the vm

for the sake of features

[trim valve]

fake Linux user

adding bloat to vm

[fast pagoda]

dont do that

add boat to vm

winboat ™

ad

[sage crag]

not linux

[warped narwhal]

win_bloat_ 😉

[sage crag]

vm im writing

[trim valve]

VM bloated

gboard really likes pushing 🫪

[sage crag]

wrr

[olive sable]

wrrrr

[fast pagoda]

we love metal shavings in the control board

[opaque sigil]

you dropped an internal hdd?

[fast pagoda]

no, it lept on its own

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

source?

[olive sable]

im afraid i dont have eternel life sadly

and my body is not healed, i got a chomp in my arm

[fast pagoda]

thaank goodness he promised tho

any day now

[olive sable]

im still waiting

[fast pagoda]

trust the plan

[olive sable]

should we ping a mod or something?

not sure if its a bot

[ember heron]

wassup

[olive sable]

hi

[fast pagoda]

it's confusing because it's like it's spam but also it might just be a crazy person

[olive sable]

they sent each message after eachother in the main 5 chats

not really a masspost

[fast pagoda]

oh i didnt look at that part

[olive sable]

GN, programming, artist alley, gaming, and bot channel

[fast pagoda]

GN
not gamer's nexus too

where will it end

[olive sable]

oh

they got deleted

[rigid snow]

??

bro's onto nothing

haiku 200b

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

[leaden crest]

first ever llm lora running

im excited

it’s only 40 samples so I dont expect it to be good

if anything it’ll probably overfit

still cool to me though

also I added up my current tech stack and my bot’s total l-word is 20s

have a teensy bit of work to do

easy fixes but idk I guess I just took the lazy route at every possible crossroad and now im punished for it

[true hemlock]

imma ngl

i don't think trillion params exists

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

at least publicly available/inferenced

[olive sable]

jsut need a couple of datacenters

[true hemlock]

there might be some test trillion param models out there

but its just not practical at all.

[olive sable]

skynet actually used 5 quadrillion params

[rigid snow]

brother are you for real

kimi k2.5 is 1t

AND open weight

ye moe sure

but what isn’t nowadays

[true hemlock]

moe

so there's no dense model for trillion param

and all we get is moe slop

which is like

[rigid snow]

i don’t think anything larger than 300b coming out isn’t moe

[true hemlock]

the most memory per performance inefficient method i've ever seen because like it or not you need to load all the weights regardless

and get mediocre model performance outta it

at least its fast

this is why i said its somewhat pointless and impractical

[faint sandal]

you know what has 12t?

[true hemlock]

decent model size but dense performs better imo

albeit slower

somewhat just worse inference speed per performance than moe but more memory efficient

[rigid snow]

i mean, again

they’re all moe

[true hemlock]

yeah

im just ranting on how moe is

[rigid snow]

is it harder to train a dense model

[true hemlock]

fast inference yes
mid performance
memory usage goes

its like

[rigid snow]

if not then whats the reason they are

[true hemlock]

[rigid snow]

:Optane:

[true hemlock]

@fast pagoda he needs the

[rigid snow]

they have to make new optane for ai very fast and ai

1 terabyte per second

mapped into address space

very fast ai inference

intel stock go up

[opaque sigil]

the people who stole kitkat

[rigid snow]

does anyone know

[true hemlock]

honestly

[rigid snow]

i’m banned from googling

[true hemlock]

it depends on how you manage the forward and back prop during training

pretty sure dense training has to be done aswell during moe training for it to able to specialize FF block

else it just do random

[rigid snow]

but the labs all do moe so there has to be a reason, and it can’t just be “token go fast”

[true hemlock]

because its more economically viable

they have big vram

and big networking

but batch inference wants compute

[olive sable]

quack is here

[true hemlock]

moe makes it less compute and bandwidth intensive

[opaque sigil]

worthwhile trade-off I suppose

[true hemlock]

albeit still using the same vram capacity anyway

[rigid snow]

you can have the experts on different gpus/machines right

[olive sable]

quack, do you know why a 3090ti would occasionally stop having dispaly out while the mobo gives red vga debug light?

[rigid snow]

quackgpt

[true hemlock]

for batch inference like that its just more economically viable, but for single batch inference not so much

[true hemlock]

pcie stuff

[sage crag]

rude

[true hemlock]

try manually set it to pcie 3.0 if it works well its something with pcie stability/signal integrity

[olive sable]

is the card fucked or worth buying for 450?

[true hemlock]

oh i love gambling aight

gimme

[rigid snow]

obey the machine

leave

they’re called instructions for a reason

you have to follow

[olive sable]

sure, ill buy it, and if it doesnt work ill sell it to you

[true hemlock]

how much would you sell

[olive sable]

they're asking 450, il try to barter down a bit

so also 450 probably

ill see how negotiable the seller is

keep in mind shipping from here to new-zealand or wherever you are is probably gonna be 70 bucks

[rigid snow]

new dash zealand

[olive sable]

idk how its spelt

[rigid snow]

without the dash

[olive sable]

oh

in dutch it is with dash

nieuw-zeeland

ill be waiting for the refund from the 1K pc, and then with that money ill see about buying that 3090ti, and the 4070ti super

if i dont end up selling my own 3090, i cans till put the 4070ti super in the gaming pc in the projector room

[true hemlock]

imma negotiate it down because it'll only be sold to me if actually broken

[olive sable]

thats fair actually

[true hemlock]

no gamba no fun

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

but i'd absolutely pay 450 from the seller directly

[olive sable]

the only things i can fix myslef is if its a PSU issue

[true hemlock]

yes gamba yes fun

[olive sable]

actually, the 3090ti might even be too much for my corsair psu

[true hemlock]

depends

what psu

[olive sable]

rm750x

[true hemlock]

nah that'll work

[olive sable]

ive read the 3090ti can spike up to 600W

alright then

[true hemlock]

its a high quality unit

transient response < 3%

[olive sable]

idk what that means but it sounds good

[true hemlock]

so 750W would be fine

the ones not fine is like

[warped narwhal]

it can handle high loads above 750w for short periods of time

[true hemlock]

something like my B tier msi 750w

[true hemlock]

not exactly what im talking about

its more of voltage transients

[warped narwhal]

ah, different transients I see

[olive sable]

the broken card is an MSI gaming X trio 3090ti

[true hemlock]

should be fine

[warped narwhal]

you could always just try it, cause worst case scenario the psu will trigger it's protections and shut off, then you just remove the card and reboot whilst you order a higher power unit

[true hemlock]

proper 750W unit can even handle 5090 fe but i don't wanna push it with 5090 oc models

[true hemlock]

its a good unit yeah

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

ocp and ovp exists in it

[warped narwhal]

you will pull 1500w on a 500w psu and you will enjoy the fireworks

[olive sable]

i know 100W will be going to my cpu, and then some other power goes to the mobo and m.2s and stuff

but i guess its fine

[warped narwhal]

100w for a 5950x seems awful low

[true hemlock]

yeah just don't stress it whole system

[olive sable]

5950x officialy goes up to 105W iirc

i do have it on PBO enhanced 4

[true hemlock]

told the frog the same thing because her whole system can draw up to 2100W now with all the threadripper and like 4 or 5 gpus

and she did it anyway and the 1600W psu ocp trips

lmfao

[olive sable]

electricity bill going through the roof

[true hemlock]

im already paying hundreds per month for electricity

my servers drawing 3kw lmao

[olive sable]

thats crazy

i forgot the 3090ti uses the new 40pin connector

or was it 16 pin?

[true hemlock]

i somewhat regretted buying a 360mm aio for the threadripper now she's pushing 860W on that one chip alone

[olive sable]

💀

[true hemlock]

oc goes hard tho

[true hemlock]

still less power density than 5090 btw

or, a 14900KS oc we did last time with 400W

[olive sable]

threadripper is pretty big from what i remember ye

[true hemlock]

that's why 860W on threadripper is so damn easy she could do it well

but on similar aio we struggled 220W on the 7950x

im planning to just

mill down the ihs

so we can push 380W on the 7950x

chiplets design + thicc ihs is ass for oc

don't wanna delid either because its actually soldered

[warped narwhal]

I can get my cpu to pull about 200w rn, but if I set pbo 4 I can get it to do 230w

[sinful prism]

[olive sable]

jsut mill down the silicon too, put the water coolling directly onto the transisters

[true hemlock]

aio is so fucking pointless on am5

because at that point the problem isn't even heat capacity nor density

its the thick ihs that makes thermal transfer so ass

[olive sable]

i dont think ive ever seen my cpu go above 150W, even with PBO 4

[true hemlock]

anyways 9950x3d engi sample arrives today will use it for my new daily driver build

and gaming

idk

[warped narwhal]

I mean I'm sure the extra thermal capacity is nice to have, even if the temps themselves aren't that much better under load

[olive sable]

i think its mainly due to the multi-core workloads i actually do being ram heavy

[true hemlock]

am4 and am5 socket somewhat sucks at power delivery

another reason we liked intel more for extreme oc

[olive sable]

his cpu goes to 200W tho

hmmm

[true hemlock]

also fun fact 14900KS is still king for xOC valid for raw core clock

285K maxes out at 7 ish ghz

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

but 285K is king for memory xOC

because somewhat better imc

[olive sable]

the 3090ti is the first card to use 12VHPWR. could that be causing the problem maybe?
if the sense pins lose contact it shuts down the gpu no?

[true hemlock]

unlikely

board would still not freak out

if board freak out its just pcie

[olive sable]

according to them the red vga light goes on, but that could also jsut mean no gpu was found no?

[true hemlock]

vga light is pcie
can also happen to m.2 drive

if no gpu, it doesn't care

[olive sable]

from wehat ic an tell in the image, the power connector is fine

so ye

[true hemlock]

anyways

e dp board arrives today or tomorrow

and im still waiting for the damn hota t6 bruh

once both of them arrives i'll just start building the briefcase

while waiting for the touch controller and mipi csi 2 modules to arrive

[olive sable]

that white line on the pcie connector seems unnusual

the msi marketing doesnt have that

[true hemlock]

scratched?

[olive sable]

im not sure

[true hemlock]

as i said, pcie

hm

honestly i'll take it for 460

not from you though

but from the seller

[olive sable]

well too bad, you'll have to go through me

[true hemlock]

aight i'll pay like $350-430 depending on how "broken" it is

[olive sable]

im geussing the board is fucked, but the chip is fine.
so you'd have to transplant it maybe?

[true hemlock]

if you killed it i'd pay not more than $300

[olive sable]

oh im not planning on doing any soldering

if its the board thats fucked, thats beyond my skills

do you have the equipment for that type of repair mayhaps?

[true hemlock]

i'd admit

i negotiate not because of how "repairable" it is

[true hemlock]

im just obsessed with my price to perf standards so this is more of just an excuse tbh

[olive sable]

so you'd buy a broken gpu because the potential price to performance wouldnt be bad if it werent broken?

[true hemlock]

yeah

gambling

i love gambling

and often times if you gamba right you get the life i live

3080Ti for $14 is so far my best one

working

[olive sable]

thats an insane deal

how the hell

[true hemlock]

...after i removed a single line of vrm by removing the inductor

...because the pwm mosfet chip fucking burned

why does everytime i get hands of the 3080Ti the pwm mosfet chip always burn

very fucking funny curse

[olive sable]

pwm is used of motors no? also used for gpus?

[true hemlock]

voltage regulator

you need to regulate the pulse shoot through the inductor to supply the right voltage potential

or something

im not getting enough sleep

[olive sable]

so what do you plan to do with it if the pcb is fucked?

[true hemlock]

i eat it

[olive sable]

you dont happen to know any microsolderers?

[true hemlock]

honestly

just lobotomize the board

[olive sable]

oh

you plan to just put it on a different board?

[true hemlock]

chisel out the pcb a bit

use thin copper wires to connect between the scratched part

thats if the damage is actually the pcie part

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

if all else fails i'd just do board transplant

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

i decided to check out facebook marketplace too

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 2090 16gb

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

fuck yeah

need some

alcohol

when do

tech

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1486449604886265979/EvilCinema.gif

[olive sable]

this is weirdly ominous, and aint no way thats a "2090 with 16GB vram"

[true hemlock]

aussie absolute cinema

[true hemlock]

only card i could think of its the rtx t10-16

(its worse than 2080Ti but 16gb vram)

rtx t10 lineup is weird

you have the same exact die and bin

just with variations like 2gb up to 16gb

[olive sable]

i jsut messgaed the seller to look at task manager

title says 3090, text underneath says 2090

and neither have 16gb of vram

cuz 2090 doesn't exist

for a pc with an i7 7700, its more likely to be a 1080ti or something

[olive sable]

the image appears to be a Inno3D GeForce RTX 2080 Ti iChill Black

its watercooled

only 11gb of vram tho

[fast pagoda]

added

[true hemlock]

also

[true hemlock]

check atomic oil rush

[olive sable]

without context that sounds so dumb

[fast pagoda]

50s comics ahh

@rigid snow i spammed ur dm get rekt

blame quak

bruh

this fucking board

spun up

and then now it wont suddenly

reeeeeeeeeeee

[olive sable]

facebook marketplace doenst have many gpus on their own, mostly complete towers

seems to have a lot more scams tho

[fast pagoda]

fb marketplace is a cesspool

[olive sable]

there's no way a full pc with a 4080 getss old for 800

or a 4090 with waterblock for 880

[fast pagoda]

mfw this board is ipmi

that'll do it

[olive sable]

you'l need more hardware then i guess

sunk cost goes brrr

[high brook]

i got a good set of used tires for my truck on there

[fast pagoda]

point proven

good example

jk i know there's some decent stuff around

it's basically craigslist tier crapshoot

[high brook]

payed 150 USD for a set of good rims, with decent tire on em, AND they dropped em off for me

[fast pagoda]

i would have to beg for tha i think and even then

[olive sable]

i messaged like 10 sellers that we're a good deal, knowing full well 8/10 are gonna be a scam

650 for a 4090

[glad path]

did u get the volumetric display work ing

[olive sable]

nah

i fried the pi

just waiting on some funds to continue the project

[true hemlock]

he overcooked the pie

[fast pagoda]

nope i figured it out tho

neat

just connect over browser

[faint sandal]

very interesting

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

[young plover]

:UNFOCUS:

epic embed fail

[flint dome]

is it just me or are llm responses beginning to get culled by themselves

such as they're beginning to give shorter responses or saying "you can do this yourself"

or am i just schizo

[young plover]

based

[olive sable]

welp, we have out first reply form a seller, and our first scammer

i keep telling them i want to come after it in person, and they keep repsonding with me transfering money to them first

they told me "okay then, just pay me 96 euro for shipping so you can test it first"
they dont even know where i live, and it would cost me only 70 euro to send something to quack on the other side of the world

[amber fractal]

Pressure them by saying "I have offers from friends that are willing to sell parts, if you want my money then give me the part"

[flint dome]

would have been funnier if it was 69 euro

[amber fractal]

true

[olive sable]

they reacted 😥 when i told them i wont pay via "friend and family" on paypal

[amber fractal]

AI generated :real:

[olive sable]

lemme put this shit through google lens real quick

[flint dome]

in these conditions you haggle the shit out of them or denigrate them to hell

[amber fractal]

Oh this has to be good

[flint dome]

they usually go away

[amber fractal]

Not my friend, and I would hate to be your family member

Every time I hop on PC I keep getting flashbanged by the emoji in my name

[olive sable]

google lens kinda sucks to get an image out huh

Damn, this translation tool is ass.

welp, time to report the seller

[amber fractal]

I like the No text

it being lorge is funny to me

[olive sable]

there's more

the trnaslation tool did a number on the top

NO
NO TRANSFERS

they were persistent

[amber fractal]

we love LLM based translation

[olive sable]

most of it you can see what it is supposed to mean, but "i find out in person" should have been "i go after it in person"

[proven merlin]

Is it buyable?

[brisk laurel]

Where can i buy spy detection tools cause im going to book a hotel and i want to look to see if there's cameras

[olive sable]

amazon?

idk

you basically just need an RF detector iirc

[unkempt citrus]

Your phone is an RF detector

You can use it to measure activity in the various frequency bands around it

However, that's also useless because those waves are stuffed with information already and you won't understand it

There's not really bunch of a way to detect anything because they'll blend into the background, you might as well grab an overpowered magnet and rub kt against all surfaces to fry the circuits

[blissful geyser]

are you staying in North Korean Hotel jeezus

[olive sable]

a lot of hotels have cameras these days im pretty sure

or airbnbs

when i stay at a hotel i basically just sleep, so i don't really care. but for those that do its an issue

[deft bone]

I gambled for a 4090 recently too

The guy didn't ask for any prepayment or anything to really make the scam work

Turned out he was a full on schizo playing the "yeah ofc come and meet me" and just wasn't ever there

[olive sable]

bwaa

so then how does the scam work? how does that make them money?

[deft bone]

No idea

He probably was just stalling in hope someone else will somehow suggest prepayment

Didn't want to get reported too early

[olive sable]

i gues that makes sense

[deft bone]

It was surreal to drive into the neighboring town to discover even the house he specified wasn't corect

Like he didn't even actually live there, but gave this address when i considered delivery

[olive sable]

the guy i talked to also asked for my adress, but i jsut give the local post pickup point

cuz i dont trust these people with my adress

[deft bone]

What's your opinion on the chinese 20-gb 3080 mods?

Best value on paper but also a little bit of a gamble since their chips are reused. From what i heard most work fine

The ultimate poorf*g gpu???

[amber fractal]

I mean by nature it is going to be patchwork

[gentle haven]

Just a month or two and I will start actually programming

[deft bone]

I think what they're doing in general is based, but also the 16gb RX 580 is purely a meme mod

That poor ancient card is too slow even for stable diffusion

[rigid snow]

i unpixelated

you're done

[fast pagoda]

20gb would have made me hate my 3080 significantly less

[umbral wigeon]

What is it like, living in USA

https://tenor.com/view/america-ya-gif-5529048518016509824

[thorny marsh]

you could also just... turn off all of the lights and use your phone's camera app to scan for infrared (cause most of these so called spy cams have IR capabilities too)

[umbral wigeon]

Do vedal speak chinese

[true hemlock]

pretty sure most sensors can also capture IR just it depends on how the soc image processor handled the detection range and/or color filters/grading

[midnight sigil]

*Does

I am afraid no

[midnight sigil]

Vedal doesn't speak, at least not much of Chinese

never seen him speak any language other than English lul

[idle dune]

I feel the urge to add more Thinkpads to my desk

am.i part of a cult?

[lean bluff]

Spanish

[faint sandal]

vedal doesn't speak, period

[nocturne olive]

Ved speaks this mysterious language called "British" that nobody understands so it seems like he doesn't speak anything understandable

[idle dune]

Retro tech people here. Worth the 80 bucks? Dell Inspirion 1721. Was going to use it as a Windows XP gaming laptop. Plan is.to upgrade it to the absolute max it can handle.

[rigid snow]

isn’t the ir filter physical

[fast pagoda]

vedal speaks the only language needed for his operations in china

💱

[idle dune]

[fast pagoda]

ah yes, 2007 where all industrial design had somehow converged on "generic silver plastic that could've been from 1997 or 2007"

some of the ugliest cars ever made from that time period

chrysler's peak dogshit years definitely

fuckin hell

let me hop in my sweet muscly chrysler 300

ope interior looks like a pickup truck

and probably is the same as a pickup truck from the same year

hello, it's me ford, allow me to wow you with our brand new for 2005 model year, ford five hundred (because all ford models must have a model name starting with F during this time)

our latest in sedan design

🤮

[idle dune]

God, these look awful. But I miss it.

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-zech-swag-cool-sunglasses-gif-21094539

My rose tinted glasses are firmly on

[idle dune]

Hey listen, the Crown Vic panther platofrm is a fantastic car

V8 on rhe cheap

https://tenor.com/view/grand-marquis-burnout-power-slide-drift-gif-22365065

[umbral wigeon]

Older than my 10 years old laptop

[idle dune]

This is from.2005? I think.

Around thay time.

[idle dune]

Yeah man this older. This is a AMD Turion system I was looking at.

BEHOLD THE RAW POWER OF A TURION

Static 2.0ghz dual core

[shadow sinew]

In that era of laptops I'd go with Pentium-M/Intel Core.

[idle dune]

Yeah

Core 2 Duo for sure

Most are socketed too so I could upgrade them

[shadow sinew]

Get a thinkpad t60

[young plover]

It certainly do be using power

[idle dune]

Its crazy what 20 years has done to CPUs

[idle dune]

Not a bad idea. I know alot of people do use T60p/61ps for retro XP gaming

[shadow sinew]

I had a Toshiba Tecra S1 during those days. Was a pretty nifty machine. Pretty good-looking too imo.

[fast pagoda]

pantherbody was good

500 is d3 not panther tho

[idle dune]

I had a Inspiron 6400

[fast pagoda]

see now that i can get behind idk why it's way better

[idle dune]

Socket Core 2 Duo on some models with ATI Mobility GPUs

[fast pagoda]

i used to read the dell catalogue for ages trying to calculate how i'd swing for buying my very own xps laptop lol
before dell owned alienware

[high brook]

I still got my old Dell insperion N5040. It still works 15 years later.

[idle dune]

Oh dude, if they weren't 2000+ for a working model and ticking timebombs

XPS m1730

[fast pagoda]

mannnnn

i wanted tje blue monitor back lol

one of them had that as an option

[idle dune]

Core 2 Quad Extreme, up to 16gb of ram, SLI or Crossfire be feault

[fast pagoda]

they had like flames and shit

hell yeah

[idle dune]

I know what your talking about

[fast pagoda]

back when a desktop replacement meant it like "we have placed desktop parts in this laptop. it was a bad idea"

[idle dune]

Dell got alot of shit back then for being a cheap brand but for some reason their laptops have outlasted every other brand. Toshibas are almost all broken on second hand market.

[fast pagoda]

and you got a 20 lb brickhouse with an external near atx sized power supply that lasted 34 minutes off wall power

and fuckin loved it

[idle dune]

You can still get desktop replacements like that from Clevo/Sager

But they are expensive

[fast pagoda]

yeah and less mainstream

p sure you can still get some thicc alienwares and such

wonder what the boys at falcon northwest are doing besides upcharging 100%

[shadow sinew]

Apparently toshiba really struggled with the switch to lead-free solder at the time. I had my mainboard replaced on warranty twice.

(that part wasn't so nifty)

[fast pagoda]

toshiba just made some dodgy shit in the low end in every market they were in

i feel like they must still

my sister got a toshiba laptop w/ windows vista

[idle dune]

I didnt even know they still made laptops tbh

[shadow sinew]

Yeah, tecra was the business line though.

[idle dune]

Look at this big boy, fucking thiccer than a snicker.

[fast pagoda]

apparently that line has changed hands to sharp and is now made under the dynabook brand lmao

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/eyebrow-hmm-gif-25634245

[sage crag]

wint_t get_water_closet_unlocked(FILE *stream);

[rigid snow]

i hate it when it's locked

[fast pagoda]

falcon still holding it down offering this thing config'd past $10k

[rigid snow]

i understand why a water closet would need a stream but why is it a file ptr

[sage crag]

ye

[idle dune]

Oh wow. I couldn't even get ASUS to replace the fans in my old M16

[sage crag]

why file

[fast pagoda]

hell yeah

[idle dune]

Jesus christ

[shadow sinew]

Business line laptop. 😅

[fast pagoda]

imma put Johnathan "Fatal1ty" Wendel on mine

[idle dune]

Thats why I always liked Falcon. They will just customize your shit. I think they even have a custom image option now too.

Yep they gave a custom image option.

I coukd make a Neuro top

[rigid snow]

imagine pulling up with one of those to a business meeting

[fast pagoda]

im putting this on itg

[idle dune]

Just a big 3d neuro image spread on the lid.

[fast pagoda]

perfect

[sage crag]

nuerocaret

ert

[idle dune]

Reminds me of this

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/zato-zato-i-love-the-world-zato-i-love-the-world-and-everything-in-it-maria-maria-kaplan-gif-2976066453239429674

"RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"

my family

[fast pagoda]

hahaha

[rigid snow]

you related to gaming laptops

[fast pagoda]

i have never owned a laptop without a dGPU

[umbral wigeon]

Is this made in china baiting me🤔

3 dollars laptop, I like thinkpad but the prices are kinda sus

I do buy 30 dollars pc from this website but this price looks off

[idle dune]

You'll get a image of the Thinkpad mailed to you

[umbral wigeon]

This is 1 dollars, can run 500000+ projectiles server

[umbral wigeon]

I guess, I'll try risk buying it

[idle dune]

Wouldn't risk it. Probably is scam. Get all you personal shipping info to use for fraud.

[umbral wigeon]

It's official shopee website in my country

[idle dune]

Then perhaps

It is very good e-easte

[umbral wigeon]

I looked at the shop, I see why it's 3 dollars
Because it's unused and the owner doesn't use it anymore so they sell it

(Also shipping cost, Nonthaburi/thailand)

[idle dune]

How much is rhe shipping?

[umbral wigeon]

Idk maybe 0.9-2 dollars

Sometimes 0.12 dollars

Sometimes free

[idle dune]

Damn

If its legit then you got the second cheapest Thinkpad ever

[umbral wigeon]

If it scam, you can go to police station with eviendvce capture and links to sue shop owner and get your money back

[idle dune]

[umbral wigeon]

Yayayay

I got it

Thinkpad!!!!!

Time to install linux

Jk, just wait, shipping take times

[idle dune]

I recommend Mint

Mint is great

https://www.linuxmint.com/

[umbral wigeon]

I've targetted mx linux

[high brook]

It survived geting frisbee tossed out a 2nd story window as well

Angry former roommate...

[sage crag]

the best code looks like an unreadable mess of symbols

[tacit plover]

I'm trying to create a project in Godot with the Forward+ option but it fails at it

I've had this issue with 4.6 and 4.6.1 but I can create the project without any issues in 4.5.2

So far this only has happened if I try using mobile or forward+, compatibility works fine

[rigid snow]

qwen 3.5 omni out

not open weight this time

[tacit plover]

Any ideas

I tried creating projects in compatibility and changing them to forward+ within the editor and that also doesn't work

[silk tulip]

whats it for?

[sage crag]

interpreter

[silk tulip]

i got a old dell e6400, still works incredibly well for how old it is, ive bought since new laptop but its crazy how well the laptop still works

[silk tulip]

is it for a game or smth else?

[sage crag]

its for

an interpreter

[silk tulip]

nice

[tacit plover]

It was a drivers issue

[olive sable]

the different way too cheap 4090 sellers started messaging me

surely not a scam

[nocturne olive]

Time to see what kind of entertainment they have in store

[idle dune]

There are people that swear by that E series claiming they are as good and Thinkpads

Which is probably accurate

they have rhe same specs and are made woth the same logic in mind

[silk tulip]

I don’t believe they are as good but they are still really nice and modular so I’ll say it’s at least up there

[patent shard]

https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.26113

Flextape is one of the examples

[patent shard]

There's a 120hz QD-oled
wat
Also, I don't think the coupon works.. oh well

[opaque sigil]

waiting for the ones with the new panel to come out

4k120 qd oled for $380 would be dope though

[sage crag]

rrr

[opaque sigil]

@real sierra kill

[real sierra]

[opaque sigil]

[real sierra]

not poor dre

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

yee sent me

done

i have not tested any of this

it will break

use of macros

it will super break

it compiles and my short test programs work

but i need to fuzz it

[real sierra]

koniiiiii

was birthday good?

[sage crag]

it lasted for three days

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

via birthday role

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

shr what do you think of my code

pleas look at screenshots

[umbral wigeon]

I asked my mum for thinkpad and she said "ok I'll buy for your school" yayaya

3 dollars thinkpad is kinda legit

[umbral wigeon]

Why is monitor so expensive in other countries

My country just 30$-100$~

Sometimes just 10-20$

(10-20$ for low budget

[opaque sigil]

why does an iphone cost a grand when there are $100 phones

[umbral wigeon]

I kinda get it why it cost like that

[opaque sigil]

not all monitors are created equal

tbf a lot of it just comes down to how many are made, qd-oled panels are still kinda niche

[umbral wigeon]

Can somebody new topic

I'm running out of chat

[sage crag]

uint8_t code[] = { 0x4E, 0x1F, 0xFE, 0xF8, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0x08, 0x00, 0x01 };

working

code is

st $31, $254, -8, 8
tx

$254 is the register containing the stack pointer

[sage crag]

dear god

allocating the stack for 256 * 1024 threads

i allocated it all at once to remove the overhead but

[opaque sigil]

https://openrouter.ai/qwen/qwen3.6-plus-preview:free qwen 3.6

[sage crag]

the memory is uncommitted so the pages are cold

runtime with this line: 100000 micros

without this line: 1000 micros

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

if i mmap with MAP_POPULATE it's only 64000 micros

still 64x slower

this is the true cost of not running on bare metal

its 1024 * 256 threads though, i guess it makes sense

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

hugepages

cut runtime to 21000 micros

[lean bluff]

Naw

[sage crag]

@rigid snow i share my code snippet as image trendy ye

clang-format on this would end the world

clang-format

dont run clang-format

162 lines without formatting

281 with formatting

ye

smog

[rigid snow]

post on linkjedin

[opaque sigil]

if it just put each macro argument on its own line it would've been great

[sage crag]

this code would qualify to shoot on sight

[opaque sigil]

just add a comment at the top that says it's auto-generated to fool them

[sage crag]

i

[sage crag]

its so bad

does it not even embed

that's reasonable

preview

[opaque sigil]

oh god

[sage crag]

its like staring into the abyss

[opaque sigil]

how many levels of macros are the bottom ones

[sage crag]

unexpanded