it is a technique for obfuscation. it was intended for compactness but it definitely causes issues with some people. I'm surprised the compiler doesn't warn if you do int *a, b;
#programming
azure lynx
split steppe
it's not an obfuscation technique lol
glass jetty
it is a technique for obfuscation. it was intended for compactness but it defini...
they do
clangd-tidy do it
fast pagoda
cant see it over the 432894721984137948713298 other warnings for my shitty garbagio
split steppe
it's not esoteric at all
azure lynx
it is a technique i can use to obfuscate things
it's not intended for that
but it works. it stops people properly understanding it
split steppe
yall sound like you've never written c or c++
fast pagoda
does it count if it's exclusively poorly
glass jetty
azure lynx
by "it's an obfuscation technique" i mean "you can make it hard to read" not "they say if you want to make it hard to read, do this." i never said it was intended for that and said multiple times it wasn't.
if you deliberately try, you can make code hard to understand using this
fast pagoda
fix available
azure lynx
trivial to fix, but you need to remember that int *a, b is not int *a, *b which doesn't always happen.
glass jetty
cant see it over the 432894721984137948713298 other warnings for my shitty garba...
btw, with this: i tend to write code with 0 warnings, with //NOLINT(exact-reason-name)
split steppe
anything can be made hard to read, multidef is the least problematic one
glass jetty
azure lynx
which is why we are tallking about it still
fast pagoda
btw, with this: i tend to write code with 0 warnings, with //NOLINT(exact-reason...
i jest
split steppe
int *v is the easiest thing ever to remember and understand, i don't understand why it was ever an issue
umbral wigeon
Is it worth to learn asm, looks fun
But it's just feels like chinese to me
fast pagoda
anything can be hard if you're lacking muscle memory/reps
glass jetty
-# no, really, that is real, you cant say it isnt
azure lynx
int * val; solved
silent cloak
Is it worth to learn asm, looks fun
But it's just feels like chinese to me
I mean everything else will seem easier by comparison
split steppe
int * val; solved
also wrong
glass jetty
int * val; solved
:dead:
int * val is most cursed
it is only thing every one agree is wrong
split steppe
now it looks like a multiplication expression, and it might even be one
fast pagoda
val kilmer inting it down mid
azure lynx
if you can't make everyone happy, make no one happy ;]
umbral wigeon
I mean everything else will seem easier by comparison
Okay
fast pagoda
the only way to win is not to play
glass jetty
the only happy version is int *v and i will die on that hill
dont mind if i do
silent cloak
int * val; solved
unique_pointer<int>v 
umbral wigeon
Calm down gng
glass jetty
unique_pointer<int>v <:trollSmile:994987799763755019>
std::reference_wrapper<int>v;
split steppe
dont mind if i do
glass jetty
unique_pointer<int>v <:trollSmile:994987799763755019>
raw ptrs are non-owning btw
in modern cpp
silent cloak
std::reference_wrapper<int>v;
umbral wigeon
C++ is easy
Pointer = point to that
Memory = safe
Code = good
glass jetty
waiting for std::optional<T&> ⏲️
split steppe
c++ is actually one of the worst languages to exist
fast pagoda
confucius say
man who put star next to type live in fantasy world, man who put star next to name see reality... but man who put star in middle have no friends at all.
azure lynx
going back under my bridge ;]
silent cloak
Star next to name for me
glass jetty
Star next to name for me
azure lynx
yeah, i kept typing it next to the name coz that's the right way.
silent cloak
I have my linter setup to correct it if I somehow miss it
split steppe
just use auto
azure lynx
everything
split steppe
just auto
silent cloak
I hate auto/var
fast pagoda
this is a fantastic discussion
silent cloak
azure lynx
coz C++ has auto, why do we even have types? ;]
silent cloak
"Computer assume the type for me"
glass jetty
btw, i not use prettier at all
split steppe
just use javascript for everything
silent cloak
electron apps are the best
🤮
glass jetty
electron apps are the best
silent cloak
Maybe if u like RCEs
split steppe
if it's good for the windows shell it's good enough for me
glass jetty
Prettier belongs in js
idk how this corrector called
(not remember)
i dont use formatters
i just format everything myself
fast pagoda
claude code is a react app which means react is the framework of the future
azure lynx
should remove all spaces: compiles faster?
split steppe
i format with dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda
fast pagoda
actually has anyone seen react lately, i think a wellness check is needed
ive not seen a react project in a while
umbral wigeon
I fell in love with cli lmao
glass jetty
I fell in love with cli lmao
gooood
umbral wigeon
cli is so beatiful
glass jetty
absolute true
split steppe
my website is html and css, like god fuckin intended
azure lynx
at least 3 CLIs open at all times: building, running, and random stuff.
silent cloak
my website is html and css, like god fuckin intended
No php?
split steppe
aint got time for dillydallying with your frameworks
fast pagoda
My website is all astro and typescript
i almost used astro a while back but ended up with nextjs again
split steppe
why php for a static website
glass jetty
my website is html and css, like god fuckin intended
try vue
it is just modern modules system that most easier to understand and use
-# unless you need to use vuex or similar stuff
split steppe
it's webscale!
azure lynx
why php for a static website
the first 2 words were enough.
silent cloak
Astro is pretty close to doing a setup like that tbh it just makes style and script management easier
fast pagoda
i do like wranglin raw js/html/css
umbral wigeon
at least 3 CLIs open at all times: building, running, and random stuff.
That aura farming, when you open 3 cli and type some commands git etc to aura farming
split steppe
the first 2 words were enough.
nah i actually use php seriously, it's a good language
sage crag
c++ has some nice features that i like
fast pagoda
php package management may be worse the python
sage crag
oh one thing
silent cloak
Php will be dead this year we swear
azure lynx
That aura farming, when you open 3 cli and type some commands git etc to aura fa...
nope. that's a previous Linux user using windows.
silent cloak
Trust us
sage crag
void *__restrict x;
split steppe
php package management may be worse the python
php package management is actually really good, never had it break on me
silent cloak
umbral wigeon
Will looks something like this and you will 100000+ aura
umbral wigeon
Just because you sitting on your pc and typing git commands like it's your left lung
fast pagoda
i just dont like pear
glass jetty
Will looks something like this and you will 100000+ aura
god damn, windows
split steppe
i just dont like pear
who's using pear
umbral wigeon
god damn, windows
I'm about switch to mx linux, this is my old pic
fast pagoda
who's using pear
me last time i had to use php lmaooo
split steppe
there's exactly 2 places i get php deps from, system repos and composer/packagist
neither one fails me
fast pagoda
last php experience for me was mediawikii being dogshit so im biased recently
silent cloak
Write the whole website in CSS
azure lynx
Will looks something like this and you will 100000+ aura
I've got a cygwin window (for historical reasons), WSL, and 2 powershell prompts in an Anaconda environments. This is normal. it's not aura to try make windows useful.
split steppe
mediawiki? yiikes
glass jetty
`void *__restrict x;`
it is deprecated btw
sage crag
it is deprecated btw
restrict isnt though
split steppe
so now you see
not php fault though
glass jetty
it is...
silent cloak
Php ain't great but Javascript ain't either
split steppe
php > js any day
fast pagoda
windows supporting sudo and pretty much aliasing posix // core utils to the windows equiv is nice recently
sage crag
silent cloak
Web dev community is given no new tech pretty much beyond frameworks
umbral wigeon
I've got a cygwin window (for historical reasons), WSL, and 2 powershell prompts...
Idk what to make it useful, I have xmake, cmake, nodejs, lsp, tools things
Mostly I only uses git
fast pagoda
i booted up my laptop to build something into .exe w/ pyinstaller for a friend and i forgor i was aon windows 90% of the time using terminal because it just worked
glass jetty
`restrict` isnt
erm, restrict is only c now
opaque sigil
windows supporting sudo and pretty much aliasing posix // core utils to the wind...
one good thing that came from uutils is windows support 
split steppe
i booted up my laptop to build something into .exe w/ pyinstaller for a friend a...
but like, windows, why live in that hellhole
fast pagoda
i dont
that's why i had to boot my laptop which is my only windows install
that i keep just in cases
split steppe
format your friends pc to linux
fast pagoda
if only
split steppe
assimilate him
silent cloak
Plug in a rubberducky
split steppe
we should write malware that installs linux
fast pagoda
that's called the ubuntu live cd
split steppe
year of the linux desktop one botnet at a time
ubuntu is not far from malware nowadays tbh
split steppe
well they gotta eat yknow
azure lynx
code doesn't have as many cool bugs as it used to for malware to exploit.
silent cloak
Na its not that
azure lynx
needs stupid ppl instead of vulnerabilities
silent cloak
No fun malware anymore
fast pagoda
i booted my windblows laptop and its time was stuck in february and then time service didnt want to sync because it had the wrong time so the micro$oft timeserver refused to allow the connection due to invalid cert
and the fucking service just straight up gave up and said "nah it's over" until i manually Set-Date
and then it installed updates for literally an hour
rare bramble
and the fucking service just straight up gave up and said "nah it's over" until ...
I have the same problem with my laptop that I boot like once a year
silent island
nothing out of the ordinary
azure lynx
just realized my nerdsnipe sensor has being going off for the last 30 minutes. i should get back to doing things.
fast pagoda
not a problem on linux, systemd-timesyncd doesnt care, neither does chrony, ntpd kinda did but if you -g it said ok whatever
they also dont use tls
silent island
sigh... i hate it when this happens...
fast pagoda
why'd you install zoom, that's malware
so is chrome but it at least has some functionality as well
silent cloak
No librewolf?
silent island
why'd you install zoom, that's malware
it used to be
fast pagoda
did they replace it with a completely different application
silent cloak
My shortcut for chrome is named "RAM Consumer 9000" and its only used for compatibility tests due to some issues i ran into with Alex
fast pagoda
vivaldi is my consoomer of choice for my ram
glass jetty
btw, windows10 used to break my timesync (linux using hibernation), so i still have this shortcut
#!/bin/bash
sudo systemctl restart systemd-timesyncd
with latest (11.2025?) windows10 update that not happening
fast pagoda
has all the consumption that comes from chromium
but instead of google being in charge
it's the guy from opera in 2006
perfect
silent cloak
Write ur own browser like a chad
fast pagoda
vibe code browser
silent cloak
fast pagoda
wonder if someone has attempted to do that lmfao
fast pagoda
dont hear about it because it stops so far before being anything resembling a functioning browser
that they cant even hype it up
glass jetty
Write ur own browser like a chad
only issue is that you have to support extensions for js...
silent cloak
fast pagoda
i am loyal to kde so i only use falkon
glass jetty
idk why there still no vim-movement-based browsers in normal languages
i only heard about one or two in py*hon
fast pagoda
epiphany cringers stay away
fast pagoda
idk why there still no vim-movement-based browsers in normal languages
cuz vim is stinky
glass jetty
fast pagoda
glass jetty
i am loyal to kde so i only use falkon
is it better than librewolf, or you just like kde?
fast pagoda
i was joking
i do like kde though
i have used falkon for funzies on occasion
it's not horrible
glass jetty
you know, with firefox lately it isnt sound like a joke
split steppe
dont hear about it because it stops so far before being anything resembling a fu...
i vibe coded a browser! programming is dead!
look inside: chrome
sage crag
glass jetty
fast pagoda
> i vibe coded a browser! programming is dead!
*look inside: chrome*
they done electron'd again gawrsh dogget
split steppe
i use zen browser, it looks a little nicer, based on FF and recently they said no AI in the browser so that's just a bonus
fast pagoda
im sure there's a better analogue out there but it feels that way coming from zen
split steppe
fast pagoda
if i am setting up a new system im grabbing zen, im grabbing vivaldi, im deleting firedragon and floorp and librewolf and waterfox and all 329 other firefoxes
split steppe
if i'm setting up a new system i'm grabbing curl and that's it
fast pagoda
curl-impersonate is all you need
glass jetty
if i am setting up a new system im grabbing zen, im grabbing vivaldi, im deletin...
me having only librewolf on system :
nocturne olive
Quite funny really
I'm so associated with NeuroSynthProject I basically am NeuroSynthProject to most people
split steppe
dumb
fast pagoda
fuck brave
nocturne olive
Coming very soon
split steppe
ayy didnt type it in time
stray dragon
ayy didnt type it in time
nah you did
umbral wigeon
I use brave, cus it has ads blocker
fast pagoda
i appreciate you holding yourself to a standard
fast pagoda
I use brave, cus it has ads blocker
split steppe
I use brave, cus it has ads blocker
brave also contains a cryptocurrency and the adblocker has deals with ad companies
just install ublock origin like a normal person
fast pagoda
adblockplus the browser
umbral wigeon
Dont worries I'll use firefox after I installed mx linux
glass jetty
I use brave, cus it has ads blocker
ublock origin and sponsor block for any firefox based:
split steppe
oh also they manipulate affiliate links
split steppe
lul
glass jetty
oh also they manipulate affiliate links
whaat
umbral wigeon
Never tried firefox does it feels like
split steppe
there was a whole thing about it a while back
fast pagoda
yea grab the link reject your reality and subsitute their own
so like if you click on some sponsored video link it'll swap out that link for their link instead to get the money
glass jetty
i never heard about brave doing it, i only heard about brave's adblock being bad
fast pagoda
it's also bad
split steppe
Never tried firefox does it feels like
feels like a browser, more stable than chrome ironically but google will make you think otherwise because they intentionally cripple their websites if you're not on chrome
fast pagoda
and i heard they pooped their pants in 7th grade
split steppe
zen + ublock origin + sponsorblock
glass jetty
so like if you click on some sponsored video link it'll swap out that link for t...
are you talking about honey or brave?
split steppe
i'm just waiting for ladybird to hit prod
fast pagoda
brave's was about binance or something if you typed it in it would autocomplete a referral link
glass jetty
btw, ubuntu, really?
fast pagoda
ladybird has some weird thing for me where it's not very fast for connections
like it's fine
but it has bad bandwidth throughput if that makes any sense
probably doesnt
fast pagoda
btw, ubuntu, really?
average linux "dist" effort
split steppe
ladybird is literally written from total scratch and catching up with 35 years of browser improvements, give it a moment 😛
split steppe
kek
fast pagoda
split steppe
probably naive networking backend for simplicity
glass jetty
heard about ladybird for really the first time btw
fast pagoda
probably naive networking backend for simplicity
yeah i assume it's just less optimizationslop
the latency is pretty scary bad tho
as well
split steppe
i've followed it for a while, because i was interested in osdev, ladybird is a spinoff from a guys hobby SerenityOS project
fast pagoda
they have some work 2 do on that end
split steppe
they're prolly aiming for passing the test suite and then gonna go full on optimization
fast pagoda
linux-inspired 
split steppe
windows 95 inspired
glass jetty
euf, serenity looks awful for me
split steppe
i like serenity, i prefer simpler times
fast pagoda
half the time i use one of the win98/95/me themes for kde
split steppe
but ladybird is in good hands, the guy is a former apple webkit tech
glass jetty
simpler is now
kde do best desktop ui i think
split steppe
kde looks amateur as far as ui goes
fast pagoda
not to say they are the best
split steppe
zero balance
proven merlin
What DOES it support officially lol? And yea rocm afaik till 6.3.4 no?
split steppe
gnome isn't that great either, it's too simplified, but i use it
xfce is kind of a happy medium, but some parts are too disconnected
split steppe
i miss gtk3
fast pagoda
official
does not mean good
honestly i think i'd have an easier time getting a couple mi50 to run rocm shit than i do the r9700
that being said 620 euro sounds like a ripoff i'd pay like 450-500 usd at most for a 32gb
at that point might as well yolo a mi100
i saw mi250x for mid 1000s the other day
not pci-e thou
glass jetty
you know, this little gap between edge and window, things like this make everything look much better
idk about widgets, never used them, but just basic de ui is good
this windows display and ability to bind them to super+q super+w is 500 points win
konsole being best terminal in the wild internet,
all icons and windows are good and i never had issue with them
0 lags or crashes after moving from debian to arch (was really rare no critical crash reports sometimes)
fast pagoda
proven merlin
that being said 620 euro sounds like a ripoff i'd pay like 450-500 usd at most f...
I wish..
620€ is litterally the cheapest i found for anything with 32gigs.
fast pagoda
that 7 hunned dolla
glass jetty
only thing in kde is unclear linking to stuff like mtp devices automount
i still not know how to stop kde from mounting them
i do log out and perform jmtps in terminal instead
proven merlin
Well ignoring Pascal and older with those 750 x4 @ 8gb a piece
glass jetty
only thing in kde is unclear linking to stuff like mtp devices automount
i still...
maybe skill issue
proven merlin
Well ignoring Pascal and older with those 750 x4 @ 8gb a piece
Whoops, accidental ping
fast pagoda
proven merlin
Oh? Whats that for a card?
fast pagoda
this is meant for datacenter virtualization shit but it works normally
proven merlin
this is meant for datacenter virtualization shit but it works normally
Aint the virtualizers like 4 cards in one?
For pcie passthrough stuff?
fast pagoda
not in this case
proven merlin
What are they called normally?
fast pagoda
it's a single gpu, 72 cu
proven merlin
Radeon pro v620?
proven merlin
Lmao..
proven merlin
it's basically a 6800XT with 32gb vram
Oo so vulkan should run nicely
split steppe
will not work in pcs
🙁
fast pagoda
it will
they say that because it's passive cooling and they dont want people buying it who are clueless
and try to return it
proven merlin
You need rebar and 4g decode + blower fan or shroud mod ig
split steppe
tbf i dont need one, every time i flirt with the idea of getting a gpu for ai i know i will never actually use it
proven merlin
Lmao..
Whatsbthe radeon pro duo? Cuz the v620 is absolutely not doable for 450€ shipping lmao
fast pagoda
i got this and a few other things from core4, they are legit
pro duo is 2gpu again
pro duo was contemporary with like
pascal
proven merlin
tbf i dont need one, every time i flirt with the idea of getting a gpu for ai i ...
I personally dont need a big rig either, but my rx6700xt kinda struggles running anything useful.. and i would like to give my homeserver something useful to crunch with so i dont need to pay for mostly crappy privacy hating providers
proven merlin
pro duo was contemporary with like
Ah, aight. Essentially useless for me then, although ig 2x16gb ain't too bad, but the losses..
silent cloak
intel duo was certainly an era
fast pagoda
you could get a v100 w/ 32gb
idk what kind of whacky prices they have for those over there tho
silent cloak
i have a bag of old duos somewhere
nocturne olive
Meanwhile me just piling 3090s
silent cloak
Meanwhile me just piling 3090s
yummy vram
proven merlin
I personally dont need a big rig either, but my rx6700xt kinda struggles running...
A 32gig card could atleast run a 40-50B model nicely with plenty of context.. even a 24gig one would be nice for 25-40b dense.. and 120B moe wouldn't be too bad either on a 32gig card.. im torturing my 24gb ram laptop with its 6gb 2060 to run a 30B moe barely.. at like 7t/s
fast pagoda
Meanwhile me just piling 3090s
v100 is basically a slower 3090 (slightly) with more vram in 32gb form when it comes to inference
3090 slaps it in training tho due to ampere > volta fp perf and also having native int8/4
proven merlin
you could get a v100 w/ 32gb
Ig a better investment than a 3090
nocturne olive
v100 is basically a slower 3090 (slightly) with more vram in 32gb form when it...
Well training is exactly what I need
fast pagoda
it'd still be better than a 3090 if your model cannot fit in 24gb though, which is my usecase and why i consider it basically a wash, cant stack 4 3090s with nvlink interconnect (although you can still stack them to an extent)
proven merlin
And i dont plan to train anything big, mainly userspace tools that i wanna make and homeserver stuff
fast pagoda
i still think 2x v100 over nvlink ($100 each per GPU, probably another 200-300 bucks for the backplane for nvlink and being able to get it in a regular pc) is a dummy good bargain for what it is
nocturne olive
I have the NeuroSynth, obviously
Though NeuroSynth as a model is actually kinda small
fast pagoda
16gb ones that is
proven merlin
Yes i can make most userspace stuff with my 2060 especially with modern models if they feel like cooperating
proven merlin
16gb ones that is
Lemme see what they cost here lol
fast pagoda
how's the 7900XTX pricing round you
that's got 24gb
rocm but if you were already considering mi50 it's gonna probably strictly be better in like every way including current rocm use
proven merlin
Lemme see what they cost here lol
Lmao..
proven merlin
how's the 7900XTX pricing round you
Consider that a 6700xt costs like 300-400€.. ill check
proven merlin
Some of em are bids*
proven merlin
Consider that a 6700xt costs like 300-400€.. ill check
And most of these are bids
fast pagoda
then you slap em on the backplane, connect to ur pcie slots via wiggly appendages
fast pagoda
i just need them to put out a card that is not $10000 with 96 gb of vram
proven merlin
then you slap em on the backplane, connect to ur pcie slots via wiggly appendage...
Does not look promising
fast pagoda
Does not look promising
32gb versions, 16gb is probably cheaper
what i was sayng is 2x 16gb v100 on nvlink
proven merlin
Yea, they dont seem to have em
fast pagoda
that 167 one is probably it
opaque sigil
i just need them to put out a card that is not $10000 with 96 gb of vram
GB10
proven merlin
The nvlink costs more than some cards
fast pagoda
GB10 <:enub:1163912230585237655>
that isnt a dgx spark*
fast pagoda
The nvlink costs more than some cards
it is most of that cost yea
the math for me is 2x $100 v100 gpu, + the nvlink backplane $200-300, total $400-$500 for 2x gpu worth of compute and 32gb vram
proven merlin
At that pricepoint im back to just one pcie 32gb card though.. but ig yea more compute..
fast pagoda
this price range is pain really
if you can get up to like
$1000-$1500
it can get more fun
proven merlin
170€+170€+270€+100€ coolers + pcie adapter cards ??€.. seems bad
fast pagoda
just move to the US
proven merlin
this price range is pain really
Yeah i dont have much to play with..
fast pagoda
theyll send you back for free just fight a guy from the govt or something
proven merlin
just move to the US
Thats a whole different can of worms lol
Pretty sure my heart and stomach wouldnt survive, its already iffy here
proven merlin
$1000-$1500
Theoretically yes, rn no, and also not really for what i wanna do.. its quite annoying..
Ig ill have to wait until 24-32gb vram falls to like 500€
fast pagoda
Pretty sure my heart and stomach wouldnt survive, its already iffy here
well you're not supposed to eat the worms
proven merlin
Lmao
fast pagoda
what is your specific requirement for 32gb again
proven merlin
Running bigger models at decent speeds (25-40b) @ Q4-Q5
Selfhosting local ai essentially
fast pagoda
gotcha yea i mean that would be about what you'd want
youwhat about a mac mini with big ram lol
proven merlin
Yea, rn im thanking qwen for their 3.5 series, absolute godsend that 35b a3b model, but my laptop doesnt run that with 24gig ram, (well actually.. maybe itll with linux im gonna try that soon, under Linux im short on ram..) and Performance is bad for their Qwen3 30b a3b.. 6-8t/s .. not terrible but good luck getting anything done with it
fast pagoda
ig m4 pro starts $1399 damn apple fck off with that jump
proven merlin
Apple is way out of the price budget lol
Also dont they struggle big time with Long context?
I was looking at the TiinyAi Startup but 1600€..
Sure for what, 80gb vram?
Kinda neat
Better than a DGX i think
fast pagoda
for inference specifically, idk the tok/s but it's probably better than large ram offload even with what it is
do not buy for anything involving training tho
really not bad for inference tho
cant train cuz it doesnt have tensor cores
12.8 tk/s still on 27b gemma2, in the 30s on 8b llama 3.1, llama q6 and gemma q4kmhttps://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1eqfok2/overclocked_m40_24gb_vs_p40_benchmark_results/
Reddit
inference only really opens up the options
fierce thunder
proven merlin
12.8 tk/s still on 27b gemma2, in the 30s on 8b llama 3.1, llama q6 and gemma q4...
Hmm 280€, thats quite ok..
Though at 50000 token context.. let me see..
3 minutes of context compute
Not bad, espescially with propper caches
Is there anything with 24gig and more compute?
For under ~450€?
And i assume i could bios mod the p40
I do have external flashers and stuff
true hemlock
For under ~450€?
3090 if you know where to find
fast pagoda
everything seems to be overpriced where he is unfortunately
umbral wigeon
Should I revive this 10 years old laptop with linux, doesn't have hdd/ssd yet
maiden geyser
Should I revive this 10 years old laptop with linux, doesn't have hdd/ssd yet
looks much older than 2016
sick notch
I did that with my laptop i got in 2007, put Linux on and it runs like a dream. Using it to do basic python stuff and my gaming laptop for heavier stuff
sick notch
I only have a 500gb had, seems to be ok, Linux doesnt use up too much like windows does so that can save money
umbral wigeon
Omg what are these ssd prices
wispy pike
velvet crestBOT
You have unlocked new role
maiden geyser
wispy pike
umbral wigeon
Omg what are these ssd prices
My school pc 48 dollars is cheaper than ssd and ram bro
Lmao
tacit sage
hmm. Can I get your guys advice on something i'm making? idk if talking about my A.I streamer that plays dnd is against the rules or not XD but im assuming I can just talk about specifics in the coding in it. I'm trying to get her to basically roll a dice which I can get her to do but she doesnt really produce story results with it or even really combat results and I was wondering is it ok for me to ask for advice in here? lol im making this all in python
nocturne olive
I only have a 500gb had, seems to be ok, Linux doesnt use up too much like windo...
Windows minimum is basically 2TB for Win11
maiden geyser
Windows minimum is basically 2TB for Win11
windows minimum is 128gb for c: + however much everything else needs
sage crag
oh my god
this bug
c statement ordering
explode
// broken
#define ip_r(T) (*(T*)((uintptr_t)(owned.ip + 1) + (ip_off += sizeof(T))))
// fixed
#define ip_r(T) ({ T _v = *(T*)((uintptr_t)(owned.ip + 1) + ip_off); ip_off += sizeof(T); _v; })
// fixed but not as painful to look at
#define ip_r(T) (*(T*)((uintptr_t)(owned.ip + 1) + (ip_off += sizeof(T)) - sizeof(T)))
this was such a headache
nocturne olive
windows minimum is 128gb for c: + however much everything else needs
Well for most people 2TB is an effective minimum
sage crag
```c
// broken
#define ip_r(T) (*(T*)((uintptr_t)(owned.ip + 1) + (ip_off += siz...
it was for patching this program
the worst part is i've already done this fix before in another codebase
phew
fast pagoda
Omg what are these ssd prices
welcome to hell itll only get worse
tacit sage
I am currently just using whispers rn im gonna switch to RVC later
I think whispers is a good tts and just amy
or anything else vts capatible
if ur doing a vtuber model with it
tropic spindle
That's all WSL is worth
fast pagoda
why are the Chinese spamming random ADs in WSL issues now
leave local trade in orgrimmar
sage crag
happy happy
fast pagoda
soon ™
sage crag
fast pagoda
i don;t know if this is a massive coincidence and i'm just reading into it because im coping or something but, like a month ago i bought one of the "nvme ssd" sold on temu for absurdly low prices, like way too good to be true, obviously fake item with like a 4tb claimed ssd being sold for like $80/4tb even with prices for everything else, and they were designed to look like samsung 980/990 series drives even using their model numbers on the fake labels on the drives. idk if anyone cared at the time but i posted what i got for my $40 purchase of a "2tb ssd" which was a mostly inert demo board with blank pads
the furthest pad is populated but i was never able to get the controller to read/write to it despite it trying to
the controller was functional and reported back "2tb" but all writes/reads were nearly instant and all disappeared never to be seen again if attempting to store anything beyond in the small cache
i sent that to temu for a refund
which i got
but every time i saw them i got all pissed off for liek the last few weeks
so i've been on a crusade
contacting them over and over asking why they're ok with listing fake garbage on their site
and it's been esclated a few times
tacit sage
wait we can buy ram from temu?
fast pagoda
and im looking today and it loooooooooooks like a lot of the stores and listings i reported are all gone
sage crag
my cursor has started lagging
opaque sigil
why are you building llvm from source
sage crag
fast pagoda
so i might've actually maybe possibly helped precipitate the removal of a ton of fake garbage listed there
opaque sigil
and 21.1.8 at that
sage crag
why are you building llvm from source
i found out that musl stdenv made a faster
old totem
i just bricked my pc 🙏
fast pagoda
wait we can buy ram from temu?
yeah,
fast pagoda
usually about anything aliexpress can have, up to a certain pricing level, you can find on temu
tacit sage
what even is temu I was being told it was scammy
fast pagoda
it's just a dropshipping marketplace
opaque sigil
so now im testing musl clang
fast pagoda
with a super gamified coupon/event system which is scammy imo but it's technically above board it's just obtuse about what you get for what you spend and the rules to claim anything are silly basically
opaque sigil
what about the llvm libc
sage crag
im getting bored of waiting
oh it just went up
not bored anymore
2300
wow
i also need to build lld
opaque sigil
llvm has some gigantic object files so checks out i guess
tacit sage
with a super gamified coupon/event system which is scammy imo but it's technical...
huh. Maybe I might try upgrading my pc like this im lowkey getting desperate 
im getting closer to wanting to start using LoRA
fast pagoda
it used to be like 50% of this "top sold" in this category were all listings of the same fake shit "ssd"
and now i only see what looks like 3 left
opaque sigil
this is how you end up with 2gb mlir binaries 
fast pagoda
the rest are more or less legitimate
fast pagoda
ive bought several of these drives lol
sage crag
2500
fast pagoda
personally can vouch for orico and fanxiang, ediloca appears to be fanxiang and also fikwot possibly topsel
fast pagoda
seemingly either the same companies or jsut very similar operations, using YMTC flash
sage crag
2600
fast pagoda
dunno longevity yet cuz theyre new things in general but the fanxiang 880E i have is faster than my 990 lol
and also is the orico 7400e
sage crag
2700
tacit sage
I'm an idiot.. lol no wonder I've been struggling so hard I have like almost no debugging tools in place im making my life way harder then it needs too be
nocturne olive
Guys which tts should I use for my
Nvidia 3050 4gb
TTS models are small enough that just grab any
opaque sigil
I'm an idiot.. lol no wonder I've been struggling so hard I have like almost no ...
running in the dark is indeed not ideal
tacit sage
No.. lol no its not
sage crag
3000
fast pagoda
will know is ediloca is any good soonish
fast pagoda
tacit sage
https://tenor.com/view/bunny-rabbit-pats-pet-bunny-pats-gif-19861222
love bunnies lol
I wish I could have a pet bunny im just really bad at being gentle 🙁 my cats also hate me
sage crag
IT OOM'D
i restarted it
the memory keeps going up
16gb
17gb
18gb
ye screw this
clang: 1400μs
gcc: 1290μs
gcc musl: 1180μs
throughput
fast pagoda
surprisingly similar thing just change a few letters around ya know
forgot this was running lmao
trim valve
I thiiiink i got it this time
minor sail
Ask AI to solve your lifetimes troubles rather than re-reading the rust book's chapter on lifetimes
trim valve
i just add more lifetimes until it compiles
minor sail
Such beautiful syntax
trim valve
its extra fun when you get a random github issue linked directly from the compile error
proven merlin
3090 if you know where to find
As Funyun Ring said, shits expensive here.. 700€ minimum
opaque sigil
IT OOM'D
oh yeah i forgot to mention, linking clang takes like 50gb or so
or 40 i don't remember
olive sable
chat
do i buy the broken 3090ti that sometimes gives red vga light on the mobo, but sometimes works?
it could be the PSU from the seller being bad, but it could also be completely fucked
leaden crest
that just sounds like nerd gambling to me 
olive sable
its 450
olive sable
opaque sigil
its 450
if it was like half that I'd go for it maybe but that seems like a lot for such a gamble
olive sable
i can probably ask to go lower
rn im waiting for them to reply on whether its random, or when the card uses a lot of power
if its jsut due to bad psu that would be great
oh
@sage crag i need to remind you to talk about vm
flint dome
how much do yall think i can get for the ddr3 ram
olive sable
a single stick of what?
flint dome
a single stick of what?
2gb 4gb upto anyones guess
sage crag
<@851857878876028928> i need to remind you to talk about vm
oh right
uh
i was about to go eat
flint dome
all i know its a laptop mobo as old as me
flint dome
how much do yall think i can get for the ddr3 ram
specs are geforce 8400m gs with core 2 duo t7500
mmmm very poweful
olive sable
2gb 4gb upto anyones guess
i found it via the serial number
its a 1GB stick of DDR2
flint dome
holy hell
olive sable
these use 1.8V, more than any modern ram
olive sable
i think ddr2 is completely worthless
opaque sigil
my 8gb ddr3 could buy me a porsche 
flint dome
i think ddr2 is completely worthless
i was hoping atleast it could fund me this week's quota of snacks
fast pagoda
i feel like you'd eat it on shipping selling it
opaque sigil
sell it to the recycler
fast pagoda
<- keeps purchasing 16gb ddr4 ecc sticks every couple days
opaque sigil
get those 2ct of gold
olive sable
when i sent my 4x16gb 3600 in for RMA, it was worth 750, now its already up to 970
i could by a (shitty) used car with this ram
flint dome
at this point sanding the cpu die down to the shiny rainbow logic and throwing that under my microscope could get me more likes than i would get in selling this
opaque sigil
i'm so glad i bought that 4tb nvme in 2024
olive sable
im so glad i bought 20TB of storage when it only increased a litle bit
fast pagoda
me irl
flint dome
im seething i didnt buy 2tb nvme when i purchased my laptop and now am stuck with 512gb
fast pagoda
oof
flint dome
heres hoping it goes down in atleast an year
opaque sigil
oh yeah, that reminds me
fast pagoda
i keep buying 1-2 tb gen4 nvme as i see them pop up on a discount at all
trim valve
I have a funny old corpo laptop I wanna put nixos on
olive sable
i can buy 256GB m.2s for a 20 in cashies
so i got one of those lying around now
its smoll
opaque sigil
i keep buying 1-2 tb gen4 nvme as i see them pop up on a discount at all
i bought SSDs pretty much every year during black friday, good deals
trim valve
with the slight issue that the battery doesn't charge anymore
fast pagoda
thats when i got my 24tb hdd
black friyay
i wish i had gotten a gen5 one before prices rose
i didnt have a reason to get one when i finally upgraded to b850 which supported the gen5 nvme since i had the 4tb 990 still and the 980 was hanging in there
shouldve grabbed one on the millions of sales
olive sable
oh ye. for the pc with the 3090 for 1K trhat i was gonna sell the gpu of to superbox. guy started ghosting me
im getting my money back luckily
opaque sigil
that's good
opaque sigil
well, the getting money back part
olive sable
nah its fine lol
flint dome
we always had a rule in electronics here to buy electronics in person
opaque sigil
ebay buyer protection my beloved
flint dome
always served me well
fast pagoda
i still cant find those fake drives on temu
maybe that will be my great contribution to the world
my legacy
olive sable
buying in person is a bit annoying when i have to go to spain for it
fast pagoda
tfw had to go to spain
olive sable
thats like 60 bucks in transport for me the human
fast pagoda
shipping costs skyrocketing
olive sable
opaque sigil
a package to spain is like 10 bucks
olive sable
i got money back guarantee anyways, so ill just do shipping
i was also gonna buy some manga of a different uy, but they also started ghosting
vinted might not be that great of a marketplace
olive sable
true
opaque sigil
they're 2kg each, 10 books
opaque sigil
guess it's pretty much useless now that the newer gpus just support this directly
fast pagoda
it's similar purpose to the radeon v340 etc
olive sable
it jsut looked pretty interesting at first glance
fast pagoda
classic fans
olive sable
chonky fans
opaque sigil
i can already hear them
rigid snow
WEEEEEEEEE
fast pagoda
screaming
opaque sigil
how much current do delta's 40mm fans draw again
fast pagoda
i love the way these end up configured based on whatever circimstances surrounded them getting installed
opaque sigil
wasn't it like 5A or sth
fast pagoda
trim valve
did I post the old tesla's I have here idr
olive sable
there's a guy on here wanting to exchange his 4070ti super for a 5090
glad path
why is there a traingle thing on it
fast pagoda
fast pagoda
why is there a traingle thing on it
pull air from above it seems like
olive sable
why is there a traingle thing on it
sorry, im everywhere
trim valve
HOLY multiple cars
vedal levels of wealth
they're old teslas and I kinda don't know what to do with them
olive sable
is vedal a millionaire already?
trim valve
I'd like to use them for video encoding but ugh
fast pagoda
he's jensen huang
trim valve
idk if they can actually help with encoding
fast pagoda
is anyone a mini pc fan expert
i emailed firebat asking what kind of fan they intended to have mounted in the 2nd chamber of its case
and
they emailed me this
olive sable
the dell otiplex has got to be the most annoying thing ever.
i search 5090 and get dell optiplex 5090s for sale
same with 3090
opaque sigil
that looks like a fan
fast pagoda
damn
gimme a model number at least
37mm mini PC fan JST 1.25 3 screw
5v dc 7.2mm thick 46 mm total diameter
searching this
is
not very reliable
fast pagoda
lmao
trim valve
try "router fan"?
fast pagoda
i can get that far but it's rough
trim valve
looks like it could be https://can.grandado.com/products/t124010sl-2-diameter-37mm-30x30x23mm-dc12v-0-10a-3-lines-cooling-fan-for-soft-router-cooling-aluminum-sheet-graphics-card?variant=UHJvZHVjdFZhcmlhbnQ6NDM2MDAxMzk5
fast pagoda
the chinese..?
nah that's just wiring
trim valve
not quite actually
trim valve
this one is closer https://www.newegg.com/p/0SS-01XX-012G4
it has the overextended legs
fast pagoda
yeah it has to be specific 147degree/67degree spacing
olive sable
cheapest 5090 is 3250
but there is a "5090 PCB incomplete" for 500 locally 
but what the hell does that even mean?
trim valve
probably not got the core or the memory
sage crag
@olive sable
olive sable
hi
fast pagoda
it's a firebat but not this model, i dont think this fan is it but i assume it'd be similar in form even tho the diagram is just the bare fan
olive sable
i see
rigid snow
right now
olive sable
okay
rigid snow
<:EatYourVm:1432347721049702481> right now
both problem solve
trim valve
as much as having a 5090 would be cool I just can't see a world where its cheaper to buy one than to buy a good gaming gpu and just rent a 5090 for ai
olive sable
code so far if interested in various abominations
what the frick
rigid snow
rrrr_op
fast pagoda
raar
olive sable
raar is dutch for weird
sage crag
<:catdespair:1087521982817509426> what the frick
the instruction implementations are based on some of my previous work
olive sable
i see
rigid snow
dutch is english for made up
trim valve
as much as having a 5090 would be cool I just can't see a world where its cheape...
like for the difference in price between my gpu and a 5090 I could rent 4k hours on a 5090
rigid snow
speaking of abominations i should start implementing bash scripting for the web
olive sable
rn im waiting for them to reply on whether its random, or when the card uses a l...
they have read it, but aren't replying
sage crag
the instruction implementations are based on some of my [previous work](<https:/...
the difference between the previous work and the current work is:
- the previous work dispatches using a LUT with computed goto
the new work pre-translates the binary and then does computed goto without a LUT
- the previous work runs one task (though it technically allows for multitasking, the runtime isnt part of the vm)
the new work is multitasking by design
aside from that, the old one was a library and had design limitations, this one does not
trim valve
haha very funny nvidia
sage crag
the difference between the previous work and the current work is:
1. the previou...
theyre similarly optimised, but the older one is much easier to optimise since its so simple
olive sable
the broken 5090. guy says he got them from amazon in pallets. no sign of life
sage crag
i think i shared benchmarks here before, but here's a newer one
i think the last time i posted it, it was 1300 microseconds
nice improvement but mostly splitting hairs
since 1024 * 256 tasks is too many
wrr
its not entirely complete yet either
sage crag
turning off jump, loop, and, function alignment makes a tangible improvement to performance
down another 20 microseconds
i was googling something unrelated and this came up
@tender river 
tender river
sage crag
olive sable
opaque sigil
I feel like the nix store would crush the ntfs file system
based on nothing but vibes
sage crag
nt filesystem
olive sable
so this is a case of smh my head
sage crag
fickle rain
nt filesystem
NT stands for New Technology I think
olive sable
ye
sage crag
filesystem
fickle rain
Windows “New Technology” (NT released in like 1990s, right?)
fast pagoda
fart stinky
olive sable
fast pagoda
fs
olive sable
fast pagoda
olive sable
3090, 450. guy asks me to go after it in person
they also deleted the lisitng and their asccount is 0 days old
i wonder what would happen if i go after it in person
fast pagoda
lemme at em
olive sable
cuz then id be paying in cash
fast pagoda
you'd be getting your cash stolen perhaps
olive sable
ye i think so
i told them im only paying throught he built in platform, and its too far to go after it in person
should cover all my bases
fast pagoda
never pay off platform
sick owl
You ever think about how fucked up it is that the best display we all own is on our phone in a form factor that's too small for us to ever truly appreciate it
fast pagoda
sick owl
my best display is my projector
It probably still doesn't clear the multi-thousand nit HDR performance of your phone
olive sable
it does
sick owl
Wtf
olive sable
my phone cant blind me, the projector can
sick owl
Well, your phone is a lot smaller so it is proportionally a lot harder to blind you
fast pagoda
a projector is apparently usually between 50-250 nits
but that's brightness on the projected imag i think? which is the fair comparison
sick owl
Yeah, case in point my OLED monitor maxes out at 250 nits in SDR content and that is enough to be uncomfortably bright, but the same brightness on my phone isn't
olive sable
my phone is 800 nits, but its 5 years old now and oled degrades, so we're probably a bit lower.
my projector got somewhere to 900nits
sick owl
My phone is 2200 nits max in HDR where my monitor is 1000 nits max
olive sable
mine doesnt lol
fast pagoda
and the pixel density is crazy
sick owl
My phone is 2200 nits max in HDR where my monitor is 1000 nits max
And I will never appreciate what that does for specular detail because the screen is too small for them to truly matter anyway on my phone
And yeah the pixel density is mad on phones
olive sable
for pixel density i have another projector 
the lightcrafter 4500 has a really close focus
fast pagoda
my pixel 10 (pro xl version spec here idk about the other ones) is oled, 486 ppi, 120 hz, meets hdr10+, 2200 nits in high brightness and peak 3300 nits
olive sable
im still rocking the smasnug a52
sick owl
my pixel 10 (pro xl version spec here idk about the other ones) is oled, 486 ppi...
Pixel 10 Pro here, roughly the same specs
fast pagoda
i figure probably pro would be sameish but size diff
compared to non pro
who would haev their own version of the screen ig
sick owl
5 years
I usually keep my phone's that long, I only upgraded because my last one had developed a screen fault where there was a giant white line down the image
fast pagoda
my 4k 32 inch monitor is 140 ppi
sick owl
And honestly upgrading on contract was cheaper than replacing the screen anyway
olive sable
my phone has the fun thing where the back plastic is not atached
fast pagoda
i think my monitor does beat it in rsponse time
sick owl
my 4k 32 inch monitor is 140 ppi
4k 27 inch here so around 163ppi
sick owl
i think my monitor does beat it in rsponse time
They should be roughly on par in that respect, response time is down to the nanoseconds on any kind of OLED technology
olive sable
im gonna buy a new phone eventually. just not in the budget rn. and it stillw orks so who cares
fast pagoda
well and refresh coupled, it's a 240hz
sick owl
4k 27 inch here so around 163ppi
Either way my phone still dwarves it at 495ppi
fast pagoda
yeah
ofc it's about view distance too
i cant find a damn number for response time on pixel 10
sick owl
Yeah I have a shallow desk which is why I went for 27 inch 4k
fast pagoda
just that it has "very good" response time
sick owl
Yeah I have a shallow desk which is why I went for 27 inch 4k
As for my pixel 10, I can literally put my eyes as close to it as they can go without losing focus and not see pixels (ironically)
olive sable
i feel like 1080p on a phone is already enouhg. 1440p on some of them is really pushing what you can actually see with human eyes
sick owl
As for my pixel 10, I can literally put my eyes as close to it as they can go wi...
Whereas with my monitor if I put my face absurdly close I can still pixel peep even at 4K, not that it bothers me
sick owl
i feel like 1080p on a phone is already enouhg. 1440p on some of them is really ...
The pixel 10 pro is 2856 x 1280
sick owl
It's fairly close, yeah
Obviously there's no one-to-one with the weird aspect ratio of mobile phones these days
olive sable
roughly same amount of pixels ye
fast pagoda
Xl is 1344 x 2992
olive sable
1440x2560 = 3686400
2856 x 1280 = 3655680
sick owl
Xl is 1344 x 2992
So the pixel density is probably lower given the size increase right?
olive sable
so 30K pixels less
sick owl
Not that it matters for a screen this small at a density this high
fast pagoda
probably, it's 6.8 inch
4021248 pixels
3840x2160 is 8294400 pixels
so it's winnar in overall pixel count
for a screen 5x the size lol
i sit far back (i think)
lol
I like the brick like nature of these coolers
olive sable
@nocturne olive does it have to be 24GB?
i can get a 20gb 7900xt for 500
nocturne olive
Has to have CUDA
olive sable
the 1K pc seems to be a dud
fast pagoda
whaaat after all the good things i said about rocm
nocturne olive
Well I don't have the tools for fixing
nocturne olive
My system kinda needs to run consistently
I guess gotta wait for another 3090 or PC with a 3090 to show up again
How sad
fast pagoda
i like when things include gloves
lol
"be careful dont break our nice thing"
10 points to gryffindor
azure lynx
"using this tool produces debris which might be sharp or otherwise bad for your skin. now that we gave you gloves it'll be your own fault if you don't use them."
azure lynx
i got gloves with a set of files. i've used them one time and that was because the aluminum filings left a dark mark on my hands.
i also got some with a tool to replace the gas piston of my chair. those were more because they supplied the smallest possible tools with the least possible surface finishing and your fingers would hurt without something between them and the tool.
but i had better tools with the same bit.
olive sable
someone is selling a 3090 for 600 without heatsink
fast pagoda
the last included ones i had were included with a selving unit for like a garage
and it was definitely hella sharp
in the interlocking bits lol
olive sable
maybe i jsut sell my own 3090 to superbox and get a 4070ti super
nocturne olive
Well it is entirely up to you
It's not like 16 gigs of VRAM isn't enough to do simple AI stuff
24 gigs is really only needed once you start getting into serious models
olive sable
i can get a 4070 ti super for 400
nocturne olive
Well with that you'd be making 100€ profit from selling the 3090
olive sable
i wouldnt call it profit, since i bought this 3090 for like 600 a year and a bit ago
nocturne olive
Well you'd still end up with more money than you had before bying the 4070 Ti super
That's a more accurate description
Either way, it's up to you, for you the biggest changes would be
Gain 100€ and some extra gaming performance, lose a few GB of VRAM
The 4070Ti super is 20% faster
nocturne olive
Well I was already gonna pay something like that for the 3090 that I was hoping to get earlier so like nothing really changes
olive sable
without dlss the performance is pretty close in games tho
burnt aurora
RasPi users of #programming, can i use a raspberry pi 3B as a wif <> ethernet bridge to connect non wifi enabled devices to wifi (i have no ethernet, i wouldn't need this if i did)
olive sable
i think so ye
rough bloom
ye you can
olive sable
limited to 100Mbps
rough bloom
Raspberry Pi 3B WiFi isn't the best in my experience anyway
so in practice it's gonna be way slower than 100 Mbps 
olive sable
