programming

[silent cloak]

its a bad fix for a problem that they created pretty much

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-gif-14251978375826396304

[olive sable]

they're trying to fix the render problems with ue being inefficient by just painting over it

[silent cloak]

exactly

i hated every form of DLSS but 5 is literally just a generative filter

not to mention expensive to run

so most of ur computation power will be put into FIXING an issue they made

which is insane

[olive sable]

i also kinda just want to say. i get that a lot of AAA games use high quality models

[silent cloak]

theres nothing wrong with that

[olive sable]

but there is NO NEED for 2 million polygons

[silent cloak]

they are just poorly optimized

and using a really terrible engine

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-resident-evil-requeim-requiem-slop-gif-17458779186189718348

[amber fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[olive sable]

ue's issues with poor rendering efficiency scales with the amount of vertices

and yes leon in the new res evil game does look good, but you dont need to model every pore on his skin

[silent cloak]

some ue5 games have FAR too many renderpasses

[olive sable]

yew

[amber fractal]

so much so UE tries to do LOD everywhere

[silent cloak]

UE5 is built for screenshots not gameplay

[olive sable]

they re-rendering the same mask 4 times per frame, once for each different process that uses it

instead of re-ussing it

[silent cloak]

which is why i always hate still visuals for comparisons

once u start to move TAA and DLSS destroy clarity

[olive sable]

that is a setting you can turn on, but most dont since optimization is never thought about much

[silent cloak]

exactly

[fickle rain]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1r7f40l/computerbase_blind_dlss45_fsr_redstone_native/

[silent cloak]

UE5 kind of makes game dev TOO easy

[fickle rain]

Sure doesn't seem like it destroys clarity for most people

[silent cloak]

it does in a lot of settings

[olive sable]

im a gamedev, a 3D modeler, and a technical artist, im trained to see it
and i hate it

[silent cloak]

especially for any proper FPS players

(who will turn down the graphics to try to reduce the slop)

its also just not good by nature

there are better alternatives than temporal based AA

infact AA shouldnt be dealt with until later in a game's development

[fickle rain]

OK why are they not being used then

[olive sable]

i remember when playing fortnite on shitty laptop was better cuz you could turn the foliage down, so you could see a lot more than ps4 players

[silent cloak]

because engines and tools by these companies punish the users

alot of effects and stuff are made ONLY to work "properly" with TAA or similar

[olive sable]

when they try to make a game every year, they dont even bother trying to fully optemize it

[silent cloak]

so turning it off will break it in different ways

DLSS exists to "fix" the problems created by TAA in the first place and poor raytracing

[olive sable]

and TAA exists to fix problems with other things in the engine

[silent cloak]

TAA can be implemented better and there are alternative versions

but UE5 TAA which is the most known, is HORRIBLY added

again its optimized for screenshots

[olive sable]

in general, i dont like temporally based rendering

[silent cloak]

the moment u move it goes to shit

[fickle rain]

OK so why did, say, CDPR move to UE5 if it's so shit

[olive sable]

cuz its cheaper

using a custom engine costs millions

[silent cloak]

CDPR also did a shit job with cyberpunk and still has a ton of bugs

(from someone who played 2 months ago)

[olive sable]

cyberpunk improved a lot, but its still not perfect

and i doubt it ever will be

[silent cloak]

still have NPCs walking on the railings

and crashing cars into the side buildings in a loop

number of other issues

[olive sable]

the problem with the game industry is that its still an industry where the main focus is money.
the games released will only be as good as the customers are willing to pay for

[fickle rain]

OK so CDPR are unskilled idiots, got it

[olive sable]

no

you're completely missing the point

[amber fractal]

every engine team is skilled but underclocked

[glass flower]

i just tested it in satisfactory.... native and dlss look identical. on belts

[ivory plinth]

[glass flower]

actually... if you look at belts at a 45degree angle it does look different...

[silent cloak]

u get this with DLSS+TAA

ghosting

[olive sable]

the devs working at the companies want to make good things, 99% of them got into the industry because they like games.
but making games you have to do a lot of things for management, for the stakeholders, for making profit for the company

its sadly not about making good games

it about making games that are just barely good enough

[silent cloak]

private companies ftw

[fickle rain]

Like, say, Epic Games?

[glass flower]

you seem to be right.. i only looked at close-up belts. like the texture on the belts to compare because i though thats what you guys meant... i'll be honest. i have 200h in satisfactory always with dlss on. and never noticed this being a thing

[silent cloak]

fortnite has UE5 optimized for it and companies keep buying the slop engine due to cost and production times

[amber fractal]

phantom items

[silent cloak]

both earn them money with minimal loss despite the quality

[glass flower]

it only happens at a distance for somereason.. if you stand right next to it its fine odd

this is the same belt. at the same speed moving. but i stand right next to it

[silent cloak]

while they dont have shareholders they have companies paying them for engine use

so they might as well be public

[glass flower]

there has to be some wonky rendering stuff going on with satisfactory

[silent cloak]

thats UE5 doing its thing

[glass flower]

you can see it change

[silent cloak]

some of the bugs are fundemental issues with TAA+DLSS and some are floating point bugs that they cant be fucked to fix in the UE5 code

[olive sable]

when the CEO or whtever think of makign a game,t hey dont actually think about the product

they think about how they can go through this entire thing while makign as much money as possible

[silent cloak]

scratch maintenance unless its an online game these days lmao

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

somewhat realted

some larian devs are going to my college to show of some balders gate 3 modding tools

[amber fractal]

notice how modding isn't connected at all in this chart

[olive sable]

ye

its mainly community based for 99% of games

[silent cloak]

any game that releases private server hosting tools is based in my book

[amber fractal]

Offical mod support in Blade & Sorcey is one of the main reasons I've played that game for so long

[olive sable]

i agree depending on the game. like, you can host your own lethal company instance, but for smaller games you kinda expect to have to host it yourself

[silent cloak]

i dont miss having to use nexusmods for it

[silent cloak]

thats what i want though

i want to be given the files for self hosting

[amber fractal]

I'm at 50/50 for mods on mod.io

sometimes I still need nexus

[silent cloak]

sadly yeah

[olive sable]

since i already shared some of my production1 class images, lemme send this too

[wispy pike]

microsoft ruined excel 😔

[silent cloak]

i mean its cool if u just want a project to code

plus i dont want to buy office360

[olive sable]

this is related to company management

[silent cloak]

ill use google sheets or libreoffice

[amber fractal]

I wanted to program a score counter, but I just went with libreoffice (whatever they call the excel mode)

[olive sable]

idk how the libreoffice equivalent of excel works

might be better, idk, never used it

[silent cloak]

been a while but i usually just use sheets now

[olive sable]

excel has some funky things you can do with it i never knew before

[silent cloak]

like get a macro virus

[olive sable]

you can feed it a csv file with data, and you can make it do so many different data charts and shit

its actually crazy

excel hasd a GUI for its graphs

[clear radish]

Some game I'm working on

[olive sable]

the disclaimer being the only place with actual font text

[sage crag]

vzeroupper

[olive sable]

vzeroupper

zeroes the upper bits

[opaque sigil]

libreoffice supports this too and it's soooo nice for quickly validating some data from a program

[steel socket]

i plan to make a neural network, is lua a good language for neural networks

[olive sable]

not really iirc

[steel socket]

is phython good?

[olive sable]

most ai stuff is done in python ye

whether the language itself is good is controversial

[steel socket]

so how do these things work

[olive sable]

matrices

idk what exactly you want to know

[nocturne olive]

If you want a big NN, either use PyTorch or raw C++ and CUDA

[opaque sigil]

torch unmaintained

[nocturne olive]

For a small NN you could just do NumPy

[steel socket]

how straining would it be for making something simple like detecting numbers. I heard it was a simpler neural network somewhere

[sage crag]

vzeroupper

[olive sable]

so OCR?

[steel socket]

ocr?

[olive sable]

vzeroupper

[olive sable]

Optical Character Recognition

[steel socket]

oh yeah that

[olive sable]

easiest would jsut be using prebuilt tools

like pytesseract

or google's vision api

[true hemlock]

[steel socket]

hm alrighty, does the neural network I want to make take up allot of resources? I have a pretty weak computer, my lover worries that my computer would like die

to be honest I just want to like understand these things and potentially get into this topic more as I've gained an intrest in these sorts of things

[olive sable]

iirc ORC can be pretty heavy

idk

havent used it myself

[leaden crest]

depending on how well it’s formatted I’ve seen 2gb ram models for number reading

I was looking into yolo just now where did my search history go

well I suppose if you’re training it yourself it’s more

[molten island]

any nixers here?
https://github.com/s0me1newithhand7s/kube-parts
https://git.hand7s.org/s0me1newithhand7s/kube-parts

[potent birch]

Peak if true https://fixupx.com/pubity/status/2038043465641021743?t=wak7VeEWYKQhnb8E_4tdig&s=19

Pubity (@pubity)

RAM Prices are going down for the first time in several months.
︀︀
︀︀Google released a new algorithm that significantly reduces memory requirements for LLM AI models, meaning PCs may become more affordable due to AI companies needing less RAM.

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[leaden crest]

very true and very peak

stocks are going down alr

[potent birch]

[true hemlock]

wtf do i do with this though

this shit is basically rtx 6000 ada

eh who knows i might actually be interested with 3d related stuff

[olive sable]

if you dont want it

i dont mind taking it off your hands

ill trade you my ram for that 4090

but ye nah, the 48gb 4090s are worth 3.5K

[olive sable]

i gues sill post this here too

this is what my ram is worth now

it was only 750 in january

at this rate the ram alone will cost more than i paid for the entire pc

in last september i could have bought 2 3090s with 1K

[sage crag]

wrr

[opaque sigil]

idk about worth

[sage crag]

i optimised

and i optimised

and i

never implemented anything

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324872678791975004/1486451477739470998/BA0787E2D73F28B11C5D8BF6AC8FF7B6.gif

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

multitasking vm

scheduling overhead

0.38ns per instruction

approx, via jank maths

stdout throughput is about 923mb/s

native was like, uh, 2gb/s

this is for printing a single char unbuffered to stdout using fwrite_unchecked

pretty good

[opaque sigil]

[blissful geyser]

https://vortex-downloader.duckdns.org/

can someone check if my site has cert

the last one was a mess that's for sure

[sage crag]

1024 * 256 threads each with 3 instructions take 1360 microseconds to fully finish

[opaque sigil]

how does that even work

or is it only because of this specific test case where you can just run them in any order

[sage crag]

i hardcoded a short program and then spawn 1024 * 256 threads all running that program

it takes 1300 microseconds to complete, but a lot of that is the overhead from spawning

according to those values, the vm runs at about 0.58GHz on a 5.2GHz gpu

which is slower than expected

though maybe not unsurprising for multitasking since it has thread switching overhead

i would expect a longer running task to show up closer to 1GHz, with a hard cap around 1.6GHz

[olive sable]

sketchy link

[olive sable]

thats a lot of threads

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

this is a case where every single instruction matters for latency

i think

[sage crag]

yes, 26200 ish

262000*

[opaque sigil]

one 4090 worth of threads

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

my linux machine has less than 1000 threads with librewolf, some nix dev shells, and a terminal emulator open

262000 threads is a stress testing number

[olive sable]

how do you see that?

[sage crag]

hang on

@tender river i forgotted the command

[tender river]

ps ax -o thcount | awk '{x+=$1}END{print x}'

easy to remember

[sage crag]

yuh

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

hmmm

[sage crag]

my vm fully pins a cpu core

[tender river]

old pss maybe

you can use

nlwp

i think

instead of thcount

[sage crag]

wrr

[tender river]

wrrr

[olive sable]

does not like nlwp either

hmmm

i think its cuz busybox

[tender river]

ye

do nix-shell -p procps

[sage crag]

busybox

[olive sable]

1601

with blender, discord, 2 firefox windows, and waybar doing some stuff

[sage crag]

you dont need 262000 threads

[olive sable]

ye i dont, indeed

altho, it woudl be cool

[sage crag]

though

[olive sable]

the moment i try to bake some physics that thread counter probably go 10x

[sage crag]

not everything that is multithreaded uses system processes

i think

[olive sable]

i wouldnt know, ill take your word for it

[sage crag]

i think i have over 100 hours in interpreter design

[azure lynx]

does that mean you are good at it or slow?

[sage crag]

all i have to show for it is an hbvm impl, my cursed jit proof of concept, and my way-too-fast multitasking vm

[tender river]

ye

real world interpreters are usually more complex

feature wise

[sage crag]

ye

[olive sable]

why complex when simple do?

[tender river]

[sage crag]

different usecases

[olive sable]

just like QOL features?

[sage crag]

no

feature features

[olive sable]

oh

like compile settings

[tender river]

no

stuff like

garbage collection

[olive sable]

oh

[sage crag]

JIT

[tender river]

ye

[sage crag]

binary translation

[tender river]

polymorphism

[sage crag]

proof info

[olive sable]

i see

[sage crag]

an interpreter can be very very simple

it can also be

not that

[tender river]

mhm

[sage crag]

aware

[tender river]

basically think of the difference in writing

brainfuck interpreter

or

python 3.13 interpreter

[sage crag]

leafVm

[olive sable]

🔺

i need to make binary translator that makes the binary into🔺 and 🔻

[sage crag]

its funny when the cpu starts predicting

nearly 100% runtime spent just uh

jumping to the pointer

[olive sable]

what do the arrows mean?

⬇️ je 100

[sage crag]

down arrow: jump down in code

up arrow: jump up in code

right arrow: jump somewhere, we dont know where

[olive sable]

so why is the cpu dum?

[sage crag]

no no

cpu smart

predicting what happens next and saving stuff in cache

[olive sable]

red doesnt mean bad?

[sage crag]

it means that the program spends a lot of time in those instructions

look where it says 50.00 and 49.85

that means those two instructions are using 99.85% of the program runtime

[olive sable]

i see

jmp takes long because we're waiting to fetch the instructions from cache?

[sage crag]

no

it means over the entire execution of the program, those were the instructions that had the most cumulative time

approximately

you can only measure it so well, this is using the perf utility

[olive sable]

oh

does it force a reload?

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/mihono-bourbon-uma-musume-gif-27600320

[olive sable]

why does specifically the jmp instruction take long?

[tender river]

high execution time usually just means the cpu has a hard time predicting the effects of the instruction

also, the cpu does not execute instructions directly

it compiles them to its own language first

[sage crag]

relative to other instructions

if the other instructions are costing nothing, then youre gonna see some big numbers on the ones that cost something

[tender river]

thats why you cant directly say "this instruction takes that much time", since the cpu's compiler may have changed the code up a bit to make it easy to execute

[opaque sigil]

branch predictor is smart so everything else is cached

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/baothelop-glasses-bunny-professorial-gif-5087943380944875848

pah

[olive sable]

does the cpu need to compile it to its own language for recompiled programs too?

[opaque sigil]

you mean microcode?

[olive sable]

idk what i mean

[tender river]

mhm

happens every now and then

with librewolf

try disabling or enabling resistFingerprinting or some privacy settings

or just

wait

it'll work again eventually

[opaque sigil]

assembly/machine code is the lowest level, everything below that (microcode) is a black box

[azure lynx]

i think you can write a forth interpreter in like 100 bytes... but it's a crappy language.

[tender river]

its a good language

[olive sable]

its a language?

[opaque sigil]

stack based

[olive sable]

as opposed to heap based?

[tender river]

well, not sure about 100

1024 might be enough

[tender river]

no

as opposed to

hm

let me send a link

[azure lynx]

yeah, it's like readable and understandable in an hour or 2

[opaque sigil]

stack as in the data structure

[tender river]

https://skilldrick.github.io/easyforth/

[opaque sigil]

you push your arguments and then a call pops and uses them

[azure lynx]

i've seen code for one before for an old microcontroller.

[olive sable]

you overestimate my knowledge of data structures

[azure lynx]

stack = last in, first out

[tender river]

see my link

[azure lynx]

that's it

you can push an object and pop it

[olive sable]

oh i see

[opaque sigil]

wasm works this way too btw

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

this website hates scrolling. it jumps around for me

[tender river]

ye

its weird

scroll once to jump to next textbox

or just use tabs for navigation

tab and shift tab

[azure lynx]

"The machine-code kernel of the eForth Model is 171 x86 instructions in 399 bytes. "
https://github.com/hagna/eforth/blob/master/doc/EFORTH.ASM

[olive sable]

i don't hate forth. i myself wont use it but it looks neat

[azure lynx]

if you like RPN calculators, you'll probably like forth.

[olive sable]

ok

so

what that?

[sage crag]

remjnd me to continue talking about vms tomorrow

[olive sable]

sure

so

when is tomorrow

monday, or after i wake up later today?

[azure lynx]

calculators like where you type 1 [enter] 2 [enter] + and get 3

reverse Polish notation

[olive sable]

[tender river]

ye

easier to parse

no need for parentheses

[azure lynx]

easier for the CPU to parse

not as easy for most humans

most of the time

[tender river]

humans are taught the standard notation in schools

[olive sable]

just need to level up your

[azure lynx]

i've used an RPN calculator. they were slower because I kept having to think about what I was wanting to do instead of just doing it.

[tender river]

mhm

as i said, its not how you were taught

rpn is literally "do this, then that, then that"

[olive sable]

if you're used to it, it will be faster ye

[tender river]

standard algebraic notation is tree shaped, doing multiple things "at once"

[azure lynx]

practise definitely helps. my friend whose calculator it was could use it faster than i could use my normal one

(yes, we raced)

but prefix, postfix, and infix notation can all be represented with a tree shape

it's just where you "draw" the operation

[true hemlock]

mipi csi

[potent birch]

Whoa wtf Garry's mod creator gonna launch a game that's like a game engine? Using source 2?

[wind kestrel]

dang the new vscode update changed the default theme

[silent island]

chat, is dis gud? :3

[umbral wigeon]

My pc specs:

• CPU: Intel i5 gen 2 2400
• GPU: not exist
• Storage: 300~ gb
• ram: 4 gb
• 64 bits
• barely running roblox

Revive my pc pls

[high brook]

lol I guess I'll drop these here since NN doesnt seem to care. I Renedred a couple neurosynth Demos with the latest build of it.

[umbral wigeon]

Where do you get neuro sama voice?

[high brook]

oh Superbox and I have been making it

he's really the public facing side if it though. I just build the training datasets

most folks dont even know I'm invivled

that wasn't a finshed project lmao

only about 1/3 of the song is done

Ironically I've been working on neuro cover tech since june 2023

[leaden crest]

silent helper

[high brook]

those poor poor sad RVC models...

[leaden crest]

in more ways than one

[high brook]

i still got version 3

i actully uploaded a few early fan covers

to youtube

they suck

oh a few of these actully aren't that bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6oxbOiH0_M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rKHPeUs2RU

these two aren't bad

i dont know what's worse on this one. the cover or the shitty art i made for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTqSEEXN3Wg

[agile knot]

guys, i'm fine-tuning qwen to build a Neuro-like AI personality for an AI vTuber project (streaming on bilibili, the chinese youtube). using unsloth for training.

any tips on collecting and filtering high-quality conversational data? trying to get a consistent personality — deadpan, self-aware, a bit chaotic. would love advice from anyone who's done similar character fine-tuning

[fast pagoda]

I used my own messages

Use* wip due to brain damage

(of the model)

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

you cand ownlaod your discord data

[fast pagoda]

They can vouch

[olive sable]

which is pretty much a collection of everything you've ever typed

in discord

i did that last year, i should see if it changed

[fast pagoda]

Nah it's still the same

[olive sable]

i mean the words i use

[fast pagoda]

You get a folder per channel with Json messages

Ah

Kekw his most recent message

[amber fractal]

There was the wordmap we did

[fast pagoda]

But yeah you get json which is very simple to parse into training data

[olive sable]

i still have the old wordmap on my sata ssd somewhere

[agile knot]

discord also have this feature? i didn't know that before

[fast pagoda]

Go to settings

[agile knot]

oh i see

thx

[fast pagoda]

Data and privacy

[agile knot]

however some chinese social media don't have this feature

so how can i get the data from there

[fast pagoda]

I'm so sick of idiots parroting pure bullshit about turboquant and how it's 'bringing down ram prices'

No it isn't morons nobody cares and you got baited by a random shitty literally who from twitter who misunderstood what kv cache quantization even is

[fast pagoda]

Probably depends on the platform and is likely against da rulez

[olive sable]

im failign to find it

maybe i was still on windows then?

i found part of it

it was on the windows drive ye

[fast pagoda]

Lmao I forgot about this but that immediately reminded me

[olive sable]

i havent seen the stuff on my windows drive in a while

oh

i found it

i think

now i need to make a new one a year later

[umbral wigeon]

TODO: fix

[olive sable]

ill store this python script on the discord servers so i remember where it is

[glass jetty]

how to argue?

[olive sable]

what?

[glass jetty]

can i post link to post on forum on rust server?

[olive sable]

you dont need jsutification for an opinion, not a suggestion. jsut because the oter person doesnt liek the idea doesnt mean its invlaid

[olive sable]

probably not here no

i think that's against neurocord rules

[glass jetty]

i mean its funny

wait let me screen more

man fight against idea of adding alt tokens

[olive sable]

idk

i dont have a horse in this race

[tender river]

no way to argue for a stupid opinion

give up

[glass jetty]

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324872678791975004/1486451477739470998/BA0787E2D73F28B11C5D8BF6AC8FF7B6.gif

[olive sable]

hi konii

is rn tomorrow for u?

cuz you told me to remind u to talk more about vm

[sage crag]

ye but

later

[olive sable]

i see

you didnt sleep a lot then

[sage crag]

no

[olive sable]

is it still your birthday?

[sage crag]

birthday role for birthday girl

[olive sable]

sure

[mighty thorn]

Birthday Konii???

[sage crag]

ye

[olive sable]

i thought it weas yesterday

idk anymore

[rigid snow]

LMAO

[olive sable]

time is a blur

[sage crag]

and &&

same thing

1 tok

[rigid snow]

and & same thing

[sage crag]

and_branching and and_logical

[olive sable]

why having a word version of the && a problem?

and why is just using && a problem?

both sides

[sage crag]

&& and & are different operators

but are both called and

[olive sable]

bitwise ye

"and" refers to && no?

[sage crag]

i think the actual names are logical and, and bitwise and

[sage crag]

what are you gonna name &

[olive sable]

yes

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

oh

uh

good point

[sage crag]

qrrr

[olive sable]

bitwise-and

band

[sage crag]

kebab case

can be bitand, bitxor, bitor, etc

but

name suck

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/mili-fuzi-victim-neuro-evil-neuro-gif-14779149578470937570

i cant find the drums one

so this is what we got now

[sage crag]

drumsEvil

[olive sable]

jsut call it and

and

and and

and and and and

and and and and

im having a stroke

[rigid snow]

bitwise and the short circuiting one

[olive sable]

band

and

land

[sage crag]

ye

[rigid snow]

actual name confirmed

by konii

[sage crag]

mlntcan chip

bitwise and chip

chipwise and short circuiting

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

chipwise meaning it evaluates ona chip by chip basis

[sage crag]

ye

simd chip

can do more than 1 chip

1 chip and 1 chip is

2 chip

i have a chip, i have a chip

chipchip

i have a chip, i have a chip

chipchip chipchip

oh song starts with

cccc

[rigid snow]

🐿️

chipchip chipchip

[sage crag]

bord

🐦

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

small mammal noise more like

chitchit chitchit

[olive sable]

how is it pronounced?

[sage crag]

like cht

[rigid snow]

chipmunk does sound like bird

[olive sable]

bord

this is bord -> 🍽️

[rigid snow]

no that’s fork_knife_plate

[olive sable]

google bord

[rigid snow]

no

[olive sable]

too bad, here it is

[sage crag]

bord

🐦

🎂

[rigid snow]

this is very location based btw

[olive sable]

is it?

[sage crag]

yes

[olive sable]

i guess that makes sense

never put much thought into how it works

[rigid snow]

de, ru

[olive sable]

i see

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

this damn thing

i wanna throw bricks at it

[olive sable]

it looks so much dumber on your screen

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

this is worse wtf

it looks so stupid

[sage crag]

i hate it

[olive sable]

brainless

[sage crag]

two eggs with black yolks and a burnt sausage on a yellow plate

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

i just pasted a png into my text editor?

[olive sable]

i see

IHDR

[sage crag]

that's the emoji screenshot png

[rigid snow]

🫯🫍

[olive sable]

uhm

i cant see

[rigid snow]

orca 🫍

fight cloud 🫯

[rigid snow]

oh here’s a fun one

bigfoot 🫈

[olive sable]

why does discord make these ones not big?

[rigid snow]

not yet supported emoji

🫩

[rigid snow]

this one is a year old atp

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/ina-bonk-ninomae-inanis-gif-24349550

why discord not fix?

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/jdecked/twemoji this is the twemoji fork discord uses, readme says it supports emoji 17.0 (sep 2025) which is the latest complete spec

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

which should include all existing emoji

so i do not know why

[unkempt citrus]

Might be that discord supports it but the fontface doesn't

[rigid snow]

i just told you it does

[unkempt citrus]

Oop misinterpretted that

Could also be that ttheyre just behind on uupdates

I know at one point they were like 2 years behind on electron

Also some work on mobile

[rigid snow]

emoji fall back to unicode => system ones if discord fails to parse them

and on ios they just are the system ones

always

[unkempt citrus]

I've noticed that in screenshots yeah

[rigid snow]

apple has a weird rule for app store

you can’t use custom emoji typefaces or your app will be rejected

so they kinda have to

[shrewd cloak]

when did this become a thing on discord

[glass jetty]

verbose.
isk who decided that having & and && is good idea

[glass jetty]

bitand and and

[rigid snow]

a

[glass jetty]

btw, in cpp
int const bitand foo(int and val){return val;}
is valid code

[glass jetty]

[winged vessel]

I see weird stuff

Isn't programming just type insert

🥹

[glass jetty]

programming is arguing over int* val vs int *val

[winged vessel]

Interesting

I should learn to argue first then

Before the program language

[glass jetty]

yeah, thst kind of core skill

[winged vessel]

I will go improve then, im bad in arguing

😔

[olive sable]

A 3090ti popped up for 450

But "sometimes the red vga light on the mobo turn on and there is no image output"

[rare bramble]

val: &i32

[fickle rain]

Go Windows way and typedef everything

Actually nvm not the thing here

[split steppe]

everyone knows int *var is the objectively correct answer

[maiden geyser]

neurocord int* varphobia situation is terrible

[split steppe]

i only write correct code sorry

[sage crag]

int* in cpp and int * in c

int* in c style casts too

[cosmic sphinx]

https://fixupx.com/_chenglou/status/2037713766205608234?s=20

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FixupX · Mar 28, 2026, 2:09 AM

[sage crag]

userland text measurement
i would hope that my typescript text measurement isnt happening in the kernel

[split steppe]

can't wait to drain my battery in 5 minutes because someone decided to do 60fps text reflow in their blog

[sage crag]

text rendering will now pin at least one core

reflow at vsync

240hz

[split steppe]

now that they have consumed all the ram and network transfer, the final frontier is cpu

[trim valve]

smh not also using the entire gpu

[split steppe]

totally forgor

i mean, its a cool demo but i hope nobody uses it

text reflow is not where we have problems

[rough bloom]

I hope it is

typescript in kernel

[sage crag]

no

explod

[rough bloom]

[split steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-meme-testicles-testicular-torsion-jarvis-twist-this-guys-testicles-gif-11491098292183663284

[split steppe]

also cpp objectively wrong as always, thats why i never use it because i cant use a language thats wrong

[sage crag]

[trim valve]

my podman doesn't work in wsl

incredible

[sage crag]

owobred

ert

[trim valve]

[split steppe]

how is podman of all things not working

[sage crag]

helo

[trim valve]

the sheer amount of random issue's ive had because I'm using podman instead of docker are incredible

podman itself is great, the whole world is just used to the way docker does it

[split steppe]

well podman is different from docker of course, but its simpler in implementation so i would have thought itd be easier to make work in wsl

no daemon, user perms etc

i tried podman a while back because i wanted a rootless and daemonless runtime, but it didnt have a working compose at the time so i kinda forgot about it

[trim valve]

its probably a skill issue on my part with my increasingly oldge ubuntu install

[split steppe]

i think the success of using podman kind of also depends on whether you are making your own images on base or using prebuilt software ones

[trim valve]

I was trying to do vscode dev containers

[sage crag]

bocchi

plink

[split steppe]

yeah i dont think thatll work in podman even without wsl lol

[trim valve]

it does actually work

it just gets a bit unhappy that they're rootless

[split steppe]

well yeah, thats kind of the fundamental problem lol

[trim valve]

also a nonzero amount of times podman gave me a prompt between docker.io and quay.io

which is great if you're on the cli but I think I had vscode dev containers hit me with that prompt in a noninteractive terminal

[split steppe]

you can explicitly type the repo out in the image name

eg quay.io/alpine:latest

[fast pagoda]

[split steppe]

looks sketch

where do you even plug that thing in

[fast pagoda]

it's sxm4

needs a baseboard/backplane

2 versions upgrayyd of the connection this thing i bought uses (sxm2)

[split steppe]

damn, somehow i thought dcs just plug in the consumer gpus in hah

[fast pagoda]

they can

these are designed to kinda be sold as like a unit

[split steppe]

interesting

[fast pagoda]

they run nvlink thru it

[split steppe]

it definitely looks more efficient though, with flat mount has more and shorter traces prolly

[fast pagoda]

it can deliver more power than pci (at least sxm4 does, it'll give 400w thru socket)

they also run nvlink mesh thru it so for a100 case it gets 600GB/s per gpu on that, pcie can only do 2 gpu pairs

[split steppe]

yeesh

that lockin better be worth

[fast pagoda]

lockin to the only ecosystem

better than the lockin i suffer from

[split steppe]

whats your lockin

[fast pagoda]

rocm on rdna4

[split steppe]

surely amd is not that bad :v

[fast pagoda]

i ran claude code /insights because id never done so before, was curious if i was right

i was right

in that

i use it almost entirely for desperately troubleshooting rocm

50% of my sessions of cc were just fixing rocm environment shit

[split steppe]

wack, usually amd is known for reliable and open drivers

[fast pagoda]

it's just pytorch and shit expect cude

Cude

cuda

so half the time even if you specify the rocm versions of stuff, random dependencies will go ahead and install a bunch of cuda shit and fuck the environment sideways anyways

[split steppe]

write your own stack 4head :p

[fast pagoda]

every single use of pytorch on my system i have to manually block it from using any venv or similar local build wheels of pytorch etc

[split steppe]

i guarantee nvidia pays these people to keep it broken

[rough bloom]

tinygrad fixes this
-#

[fast pagoda]

i cant run anything that uses rocm on this gpu atm without manually forcing system rocm

and 0 prebuilt wheels work

i have to manually build

[split steppe]

tbf its just python, ive never had a worse experience with deps than in python

[fast pagoda]

even the ones that supposedly target my gpu (gfx1201) dont work

[split steppe]

having no dep manager is better than whatever python does

[fast pagoda]

problem is that amd really only guarantees anything will work on like

ubuntu

for this version of rocm

6.4 kinda works

7.12 nope

[maiden geyser]

something wicked this way comes

[rare bramble]

python deps are fine, unless you have incompatable deps at latest versions or they require a specific python version, then its hell

[split steppe]

when i was working with tf and torch with a friend the deps broke every other week, everything just had random version requirements

[fast pagoda]

or you really cannot have cuda installed

in your env

then python deps suck

[trim valve]

yeah I ended up doing that, I just got annoyed by it because vscode handles dev containers silly

[split steppe]

we ended up working with a 2 year old python and tf/torch

[trim valve]

so you have to go through debug logs to figure it out at all because otherwise vscode just sits there on a blank screen forever

[fast pagoda]

the problem with just using like 6.4 is that 7.1/7.2 rocm are like

mightily faster than 6.4

for my gpu

and also it wasnt supported in 6.4 yet

so it's still fragile

[rare bramble]

soundcloud has become absolute garbage quality wise in the last year or so, I encounter massive issues with the app every week or so nowadays, didnt used to be a problem couple of years ago

[split steppe]

there are 10 competing package/env managers, the repos are half broken, nobody knows how to write broadly compatible code, and its all slow as hell

[fast pagoda]

instead what i do is this half the time

[fast pagoda]

uv is the fix for all of this trust ( )

[split steppe]

didnt you hear uv is already legacy

[fast pagoda]

well openai bought it

https://openai.com/index/openai-to-acquire-astral/ devastating blow to my life

[split steppe]

hah

there goes the tax money

[rare bramble]

i'm still wondering what openai gets for acquiring astral, other than hire the devs i guess?

[jagged turtle]

what

[split steppe]

its a meme, python changes them like socks

[umbral wigeon]

Why everyone doom posting ai

[split steppe]

there are literally 10+ of them now

[fast pagoda]

anthropic bought bun so they got jelly

no idea really

[split steppe]

whenever these corps buy it its a death sentence

[umbral wigeon]

I open google I saw "AI replacing all the developers", tiktok another one, youtube same thing

[fast pagoda]

mostly because it's a looming existential issue

[split steppe]

uv will be on the chopping block soon enough

[split steppe]

cuz they need the doom for more investor hype money

cuz the bubble is almost bursting

just like anthropic "leaked" their next gen model info

"were so close to upending the economy trust, just a few more bucks maannnnn"

[umbral wigeon]

Kinda annoying, when I'm doing something, there will always be "AI replacing you" whispering through my left ear and come out through my right ear

[fast pagoda]

it already burst didnt u hear some 3 iq moron on twitter announced google's "new algorithm :oooo" turboquant reduced all memory requirements for llms by 69x and ram prices already cratered, which is why 59832749823749283749 people and outlets keep saying that without any basis in reality surely

even though that's not what it does at all

[umbral wigeon]

Can't do anything ig

I'll just ignore, because I wanna see what you guys think about ai

[split steppe]

just keep honing your skills, ai will still exist after the correction, but it doesnt get much further that boilerplate. the ability to really solve customer problems is still rare and needed in droves

[fast pagoda]

you will never hear the end of that until it's either confirmed that it wont actually replace people or that it will for sure

[umbral wigeon]

Yeah

[fast pagoda]

accountability in general

[split steppe]

accountability especially

[fast pagoda]

idiot box computer can't be responsible for itself fucking up because it's too stupid to handle that

and the company will say fuck you

[split steppe]

although i worry about it, because usa is notoriously unaccountable for anything

everyone there is looking to sink accountability somewhere people will stop asking about

[fast pagoda]

we're generally alright at suing the everloving fuck out of each other so b2b/b2c accountability will be needed

[split steppe]

thats just a show, the real damages to life and working class are never accounted for

[umbral wigeon]

It feels like someone just stab me everytimes I'm reading it, you can't block it because it's everywhere.

[fast pagoda]

im talking more in the sense of day to day workplace stuff

itll be needed

for that reason

at least for a while

[umbral wigeon]

I'm still in human side
(I do not hate ai, I even like it but these doom posting just something else)

[split steppe]

who knows, my bet is on eu

we havent lost all sanity yet, despite the bureaucracy

[split steppe]

thats the point, but remember to ask the ai to count r in strawberry once in a while to remind you that its dumb autocomplete

[fast pagoda]

i wonder what this conversation will look like were i to read it 20 y ears from now

if im alive

lol

[split steppe]

in 20 years i hope i will have managed to have my business and change the landscape of development

[umbral wigeon]

[fast pagoda]

i hope soon ill succeed in true artificial stupidity and will just be burned for practicing witchcraft

[umbral wigeon]

What yall thinks, next 4 years will look like

[fast pagoda]

same as the last 4 unless something changes

dumb shit globally

shortages in the age of unbelievable excess due to lopsided distribution

lotta pain

cool developments in math/science probably

[split steppe]

ai bubble will pop and america will be on foodstamps, europe will become independent, china will be the new global daddy

[fast pagoda]

i was going to say chinese expansion

but also i'll be very curious to see what happens to europe if/when usa doesnt prove too stubborn/big to fail somehow

i think everything might be fundamentally fubar'd

not for the failing thing

but i mean just in general system seems to have the needle broken off on 11

whenever it does stop it's gonna be spectacular

[split steppe]

europe is already moving shop at speed, we're kind of done answering to others, i just hope we do it in time

[fast pagoda]

that's a good thing, i never understood why europe took such a weird positioning

really thought they'd go on a collective art student sabbatical

[split steppe]

because it was beneficial to everyone for most of the time

you gotta also remember that eu formed out of a brutal war

[fast pagoda]

short term sure

but yeah i mean i get the whole "let's maybe not build up like that" sort of thing

they just overcorrected a bit i think in the grand scheme

some interesting experiments came out of it

lot of good theory for like

human rights stuff

[split steppe]

maybe, i think overall it was a net benefit. also we are far different from america and such, we are dozens of completely independent nations, languages and cultures, including ones that hate eachother and have warred for centuries. tough task making everyone work together

[fast pagoda]

i really thought in like the 2010s that things would just continue to evolve positively

near universally

embarassing

maybe it was hope rather than thought

hate conflict for no reason

[split steppe]

i mean, when things are good or maybe not close to home it all seems to be going up

[fast pagoda]

yeah it's just naivete

[split steppe]

its all coming and going in waves

though we are in a very unique time now, we have never in history had univeral global instant communication

[fast pagoda]

yeah i really cant say i have any clue what's gonna happen next which is why i kinda just have to operate assuming it'll all stay roughly similar

[split steppe]

even just a decade ago it wasnt as utterly ubiquitous as it is now

[fast pagoda]

i feel like the now feels very very different depending on what you care about in general which is always true but like some folks are deep into what is basically i feel an alternate reality compared to the day to day of the opposite end

[split steppe]

the alternate reality bit is indeed quite worrying, i think that is the biggest curse of the internet. actual monkeys paw stuff

sure you can talk to anyone in the world instantly regardless of language, but also nobody has shared context or values in your neighborhood now

[fast pagoda]

and if you so choose you can hyperspecialize so deep into the things you care about you might as well live on another planet from people around you physically much of the time

[split steppe]

it is quite a different world indeed

dont even need to leave home really

ubereats, remote work, vr etc

[fast pagoda]

ready player 1 wasnt exactly prophetic considering how it was timed, i think by the time it was written it was pretty much underway to get us to where we are now

but it still feels funny to think about how i viewed that "future" when i read that like 15 years ago

basically true now minus the doomsday and meta horizons exploded so it's over for that

[split steppe]

heh the metaverse is never not going to be funny

imagine dropping 80B for corpo vrchat

[fast pagoda]

zuck will never nnot be a lolcow

[split steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/zucc-toast-gif-21013829

[fast pagoda]

real human bean

[split steppe]

when i was human

i meant i am human, still

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[fast pagoda]

funniest social media post maybe ever to me for some reason

[split steppe]

aint no way that's a real post from him :V

truly an OG

[fast pagoda]

it's so real and so good for it

also

minipc just spun up randomly

so i ssh to it

????

time to reboot buddy

[split steppe]

classic screen locker

[fast pagoda]

most windows thing it could've done

[split steppe]

modern standby be like

[fast pagoda]

well it's probably my fault because i force it to stay awake cuz it runs echo's service that i decided needed to be a systemd service instead of anything else

[split steppe]

whats wrong with it being a unit?

that's kind of what systemd is for is it not

[fast pagoda]

it's just not something i need running all the time in truth

[split steppe]

ah

[fast pagoda]

i mean, it being a service process is fine for the reasons i chose but here i am havcing it do nothing

[split steppe]

would wake-on-lan work? i never actually tried myself

so it only works when traffic comes into it, but i guess you then still need the discord loop

[fast pagoda]

probably but it's the part that does the waking (it gets the incoming calls/messages)

it's supposed to then send a request to load the model on this pc and if that fails, load it on itself but i intentionally hamstrung it for that so it wouldn't for now

it's probably fuckin restarting over and over because of that now that i think about it

[split steppe]

haah

man's barely conscious over there, but he keeps goin

quality slop must be delivered

[fast pagoda]

he's getting re-brain-damaged rn

2 at once for excitement

[split steppe]

love to see the line go up

stonks

[fast pagoda]

LOL

it hasnt crashed since the other day but it went almost 40k before givingup

nice

ive seen this number before but i cleared the agent on a timer that checks on it and it still noted it again

really needs me to know

[split steppe]

you gotta add restart backoff to your unit

[fast pagoda]

it backed off

just reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly slowly

[split steppe]

😄

[fast pagoda]

!! filling in last command is so good i need to use it more

i mean so does just pushing up which is hwat i normally do but it's nice for prefixing stuff (although i think arrow up might work for it im always scared it's gonna replace the whole line)

[split steppe]

i pretty much only use it for saving 1 second for prefixing sudo lol

[fast pagoda]

me irl

im trying to think of other uses other than sudo or prefixing like 1 thing

i think there's one that directly just sudos the last command as its function but i forgor

one that isnt !!

ah no it's just sudo !!

idk what i thought the other one was

[glass jetty]

lol, you are completely wrong

• belong to type, variable is pointer
  int var; --var declaration
  const int var; -- const declaration
  int const& ref; -- constant reference
  int* ptr; -- simple ptr of type int
  const int* ptr; -- simple ptr to type const int
  const int *const ptr; --constant ptr to type constant int

when you cast you do (whatevertype*), and not (whatevertype)*

[split steppe]

what type is v2 in int* v1, v2;

[glass jetty]

v2 is indeed another pointer

[split steppe]

you are wrong

it's int

[fast pagoda]

P L A I N

[glass jetty]

cuz type for variable is int*, and it is not variable-ptr to type int
it is not int *v1, *v2;
it is int* v1, v2;

[fast pagoda]

int *v1, *v2; is 2 pointers

wtf

it took my *

[split steppe]

use ``

[fast pagoda]

int *v1, *v2;

yeah

[split steppe]

you're wrong

[fast pagoda]

i forgot it would eat that

[azure lynx]

talking about programming on Discord is hard. so is discussing how to draw an emoji with text..

[glass jetty]

nvm i retreat
it just cursed thing to declare using ,
i never do it, it is cursed

    int* val, val2;
    return sizeof(val2);
}```

main:
mov eax, 4
ret

[azure lynx]

good thing there is no #programming or something

[fast pagoda]

we never talk about programming here

[azure lynx]

if you want to do that, use a typedef. Should use a type for most ints really anyway way so you know what they actually are.

[glass jetty]

anyway
it is type_qualifier type pointer_declaration pointer_qualifier variable_name

[fast pagoda]

but yeah the * binds to the var name not the type so

[split steppe]

https://godbolt.org/z/MPTPG1f8z

amateurs

[fast pagoda]

1 variable per line

that's what i kno

[azure lynx]

the comma in declarations is an obfuscated C technique though

[fast pagoda]

no opportunity to be stupid

c++ try not to get eaten alive by c challenge: impossible

[split steppe]

no it's not, but also * binds to variable not type, it's an objective fact

hence int *v

[glass jetty]

it is obsolete c notation

[split steppe]

can't hear you over you being wrong

[glass jetty]

ptr should be logically bound to type for humans

[fast pagoda]

what if i legally may not count as a human

[glass jetty]

than you may use int * val

[fast pagoda]