programming

[unkempt citrus]

but I graduated

so

[flint dome]

search traco power 5v 5a on mouser.be

[olive sable]

[unkempt citrus]

digikey is another option to compare prices

not suure if they service eu tho

They do

[flint dome]

mouser warehouse is netherlands thats why I recommended

cheap shipping no customs

[unkempt citrus]

[flint dome]

last word of advice: always, ALWAYS check with the meter if your voltages are good before hooking it up

id say even turn it on and check if for a brief moment it has a spike

[olive sable]

the voltages were good when i checked, but i guess having the whole thing connected still fucked it up

[flint dome]

can you check with the meter by connecting meter to power while off, turning it on with meter still connected and seeing if you see a spike before voltage settles

for the28 to 5v 5a buck

sillicon tends to be very finnicky

you dabble in electronics (or have a degree in it)?

[unkempt citrus]

Electronic engineer yeah

That's my bachelors

[flint dome]

cs but i do electronics on the side

[olive sable]

the multimeter isnt calibrated well, but it started at 4.5 and then went to 5v when plugging it in

it also doesnt update that fast

[flint dome]

hmm im guessing the converter was fine but since it doesn't have a tvs or crowbar to deal with tiny spikes at start may have caused something there

[olive sable]

i still think its probably due to haing the motor controller connected

[flint dome]

do you want to still check the converter if its completey faulty or not

[olive sable]

idk

should i?

[flint dome]

id also say for paranoia to wire a fuse later

[unkempt citrus]

the converter is the PSU of the thing

check it

[olive sable]

i have a fuse wired on the motor's 12V line

but it didnt do shit i guess

[flint dome]

do one for the 5v too

[unkempt citrus]

Do you have diodes on the motor's pos?

[olive sable]

i didnt connect the position sensors yet

[unkempt citrus]

Not the snesors, just the power line

cos motors are also generators

[flint dome]

i did suggest a tvs or crowbar for the 5v5a line

[unkempt citrus]

if they spin unintended it can cause a surge backcurrent

[flint dome]

same could be done for 12v line

[flint dome]

damn i forgot thanks for reminding, havent read hughes motors properly yet

[olive sable]

let me see.
i had a tvs betweent the + and - of the 12V for the motor
a capacitor to reduce noise
a fuse on that positive line

and i had assumed that the 5V being seperate logic would mean it would be fine to have all the 5v stuff connected

i did have resistors on the data cables between the motor controller and the pi, but nothing on the power line

[flint dome]

hmm so we can rule out the motors ig

[olive sable]

the problem is that the ground of the 12V line on the motor controller is connected to the ground of the 5V logic

so it wasnt actually independant logic, so the 12V power could have gone via that

[flint dome]

oh

why didn't I remember that one before

[flint dome]

funniest shit I've seen all day

[olive sable]

its not funny to me, that shit fried 280 euro

[ivory plinth]

[flint dome]

if you want to still use that stuff get a traco ten with galvanic isolation

so your 12v ground and 5v ground are seperate

[tacit plover]

What type do I cast int as for it to become enum

In godot

[flint dome]

https://www.mouser.be/ProductDetail/TRACO-Power/TEN-25-2411WI?qs=ckJk83FOD0XYZ6qy2GLUQQ%3D%3D

@olive sable

[olive sable]

50 bucks

[flint dome]

@unkempt citrus what do you think is this good or overkill

[flint dome]

yeah im trynna find cheaper shit

[flint dome]

https://www.mouser.in/ProductDetail/MEAN-WELL/SKMW30F-05?qs=5aG0NVq1C4wXgR0AOGadKw%3D%3D&mgh=1&srsltid=AfmBOooP3kFXF0m2ojmHP3aain4IC-vEwFNjViKYtVboH_dRCSLdB5yc3W0

This one may be cheaper

[olive sable]

25 bucks ye

[unkempt citrus]

Its PCB mount

so its not ideal without some mods

but could work

[flint dome]

could just get a perfboard and wing it

[unkempt citrus]

https://www.mouser.be/ProductDetail/MEAN-WELL/RS-25-5?qs=pqZ7J9Gt%2FmqXHOzlkOY2rg%3D%3D

Meanwell RS-25-5 is much cheaper, chassis mount and I know its recommended for raspberry pis anyway

Its what I'm planning on using for my own Raspberry pi project atm too

[flint dome]

I was recommnding that one because sam said their ground for 12v and 5v were same and hence added the one with galvanic isolation

overkill, yes, but will not hurt if any other shenanigans occur

[olive sable]

honestly, a meanwell psu style thing with multiple rails might be a good idea

but isk if that works with usb-c input

[unkempt citrus]

One option if you're opeen to ordering PCBs is to get a 12V brick that can accept wall power or something

and the add a second LDO that drops down to 5V5A

But overall thats much more finnicky

[olive sable]

i would like usb-c power purely cuz id like ti to be somewhat portable

like maybe run if off batteries or something

[unkempt citrus]

That could work but getting 12V may be a bit of a pain

[unkempt citrus]

This would work for batteries tho

but you do have to start considering custom designing PCBs at that point

[olive sable]

ye i dont think ill be able to do that

[flint dome]

hmmm now im lost

[unkempt citrus]

Well the pi does take USB power by default

[olive sable]

ye

[unkempt citrus]

its just the motor's supply might thave to come from battery

which if you separate into two components isn't too bad

[olive sable]

im proably gonna be changing out the current pi for a cheaper one btw

[unkempt citrus]

Good idea for prototyping at least

[olive sable]

the reason i got this one is cuz it had hdmi input

[flint dome]

get a rpi 3

[olive sable]

but the drivers are bad so i cant propery use it

[flint dome]

they are cheap enough

[olive sable]

can you change the did form a usb capture card?

[flint dome]

uhhh id say no since it needs some mucking around

what for

[olive sable]

hdmi passthrough basically

actually, might do it differently

fuck hdmi passthrough

drivers are always shit

hdmi switch, and i can hook the switch up to the pi

[flint dome]

vga

[olive sable]

no

[flint dome]

yes

[olive sable]

vga wont do 570x1140x180hz

[flint dome]

you will accept lower resolutions and you will enjoy it

[olive sable]

no

i know afunyun told me tog o the hdmi switch route, but i liked the way with hdmi passthrough more.
but that ended up being a waste of money i guess

@fast pagoda you were right lol

hmmm

[flint dome]

why are you using a capture card in the first place

do you have mutiple devices with hdmi output

[olive sable]

i wanted it to switch automatically

between the pi output and the hdmi input

now that i know a bit more about hdmi, i can prob just hijack the hdmi connector in the hdmi swithc and see if the connected signal is high

im thinking the cheapest possible pi with hdmi, Pi Zero 2 WH seems fine
then a hdmi switch with 2 inputs
and a better power supply

[bitter coral]

Can I ask what we are trying to do in here? I tried back reading a small bit but there's a lot so I figured I'd just ask instead.

[olive sable]

volumetric display

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

how big would the chance be that it sill works if i replace that inductor?

[unkempt citrus]

If the chip is actually fried, 0

but if not you could try

but with how close it is to the chip theres a decent chance you could make a solder bridge that will fry the chip anyway

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

don't know until you try

unless I missed something the reason it fried is still unknown too, so can't really tell

[olive sable]

its either shitty buck converter, or the motor controller having ground loop and going through the pi

i think, best way to do this rn

the motor controller should maybe get a seperate buck converter

that way the're not connected to the pi at all besides for the data wires

and then we'll just put a diode on those

[rough bloom]

ground loop seems unlikely given that it's all just tied together, and I think that current shouldn't be enough to fry anything anyway

faulty buck converter is possible but it would have to be really bad

I assume something just touched something it shouldn't have and the Pi got 28V or something

[olive sable]

the motor controller and the pi both got 5A. and the lightcrafter got 10A.
if its not the motor controller, then did the 10A go through the hdmi cable?

that seems doubtfull

but its somewhat possible

[umbral wigeon]

Can vedal build robot like this

[olive sable]

28V is not really possible. only things that could have really touched were 5V and 3.3V

since those dont exist yet, no

[rough bloom]

ye 3.3V would be really bad too

5V into the 3.3V rail would cause explod probably

[umbral wigeon]

If he spent some money, he def could make self-hosted robot

[olive sable]

that might be it then, idk

the motor controller has 5V power, L and R enable pins, and PWM pins

i might have put the enable pins on 3.3V when it should have been 5V. or the other way around idk

PWM ones shouldnt care too much about voltage iirc

[flint dome]

he did say the inductor that blew also shorted the path which means we can assume it fried the power chip

[olive sable]

idk if the power chip is fried tbh

[flint dome]

i would very much go with yes but you could try swapping said inductor

[olive sable]

it might just be tar from the inductor

[flint dome]

and if power is blown then cpu may have gone to hell too

[olive sable]

its only on that corner

[flint dome]

do you have soldering stuff

[olive sable]

ye

woudl jsut need to figure out what the specs of the broken inductor are

[flint dome]

could try desoldering and cleaning it

and dumping unhealthy amounts of flux

[olive sable]

its cracked so wouldn't work

[flint dome]

no i mean remove it and put in a new one

[unkempt citrus]

You might be able to look up the schematic online

[olive sable]

oh

[flint dome]

i dont mean to say fix the inductor i know thats not possible

(the magic smoke inside of it has gone poof after all)

[olive sable]

hmmm

[olive sable]

eh, imma sleep

gn

[unkempt citrus]

Based on positioning the inductor is near pin 18, which would make it the 0.24uH on 23 maybe

thats my best guess

[real sierra]

programmers

[quartz scaffold]

Today was your birthday

So i donate 5 Grand to orphanage

[real sierra]

THANK YOU?

that's amazing thank you so much

[quartz scaffold]

No need I am kind unc

[jagged turtle]

today is shiro actual birthday?

[sage crag]

today birthday

mariah carey

konii

shiro

[jagged turtle]

hbd konii

ig?

[sage crag]

yee me

hbd ktrain

[jagged turtle]

idk if I'm about to be gaslighted but if birthday == true then happy birthday

[sage crag]

nrr

it real

[rough bloom]

hbd Mariah Carey

[jagged turtle]

not me bday

[sage crag]

hbd cheesi

[jagged turtle]

why the D:

[sage crag]

hbd ktrain

[jagged turtle]

my bday in a couple months

[jagged turtle]

why are people D: -ing me for saying my birthday is in a couple months

[sage crag]

hbd ktrain

[jagged turtle]

I'm going to be shiro'ed now am I

[sage crag]

no

[tender river]

hbd ktrain

hbd shiro

[rigid snow]

woke up to my pc off and it wouldn’t turn on but then i unplugged it for a couple minutes and it turned right on

weird

[signal trout]

because it's not... today...

happy early birthday! 🎂
** **

[sage crag]

mlntcan

[sage crag]

(baaast)

[rigid snow]

you woke me back up

hi

[frozen igloo]

a carrier pigeon can carry about 300 1 terabyte micro sd cards so they actually have a pretty good bandwidth

[sage crag]

welcome back to the real world

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324872678791975004/1486451477739470998/BA0787E2D73F28B11C5D8BF6AC8FF7B6.gif

[rigid snow]

nooooooo

[real sierra]

happy birthday koniii

phrrrrrrr

phrr phrr phrr

[sage crag]

wher ourple

[real sierra]

TRUE

purple

[tender river]

[sage crag]

ourple

[rough bloom]

🎂

[sage crag]

its been a year since i was last ourple

[sage crag]

phrrr

hapy birthday shr

[real sierra]

you too bwaani

celebrate

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/cosmic-princess-kaguya-yachiyo-cosmic-princess-kaguya-yachiyo-jumping-fast-gif-8114031472651899845

i am celebrating

by coding in c++

[real sierra]

no hblang??

[sage crag]

hblang doesnt have the feature i need

computed goto

im making multitasking vm runtime

[jagged turtle]

me no like bday

[sage crag]

int main() {
    Runtime rt;
    Opcode prog[] = { Opcode::eca, Opcode::eca, Opcode::eca, Opcode::eca, Opcode::eca, Opcode::eca, Opcode::eca, Opcode::tx };
    rt.spawn(prog);
    rt.spawn(prog);
    rt.spawn(prog);
    rt.run();
}

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[real sierra]

is it your birthday?

[jagged turtle]

me bday in months

[sage crag]

yes it is

pleas birthday

wrr

[tender river]

ktrain birthday

[rigid snow]

birthday pii why share

[real sierra]

months

[real sierra]

because I trust u

u not trustworthy?

[rigid snow]

trustworthy source says

[sage crag]

what is your source for trustworthy source

[rigid snow]

potentially trustworthy source

[sage crag]

trustworthy sauce

#baking

[rigid snow]

[jagged turtle]

I mean talking seriously anyways I don't really think much about my bday

no one really celebrates it because all my friends live far away and usually they're busy anyways

even myself

so like honestly idrc if people don't celebrate my bday

[silent island]

FUCKING FINALLYYY

[jagged turtle]

how is that possible now wtf

is it open-sourced now? (at least any part of it?)

[silent island]

Not sure, but its soo seamless...
Have they commit a truce?

[jagged turtle]

I hate when I search airdrop now it comes up with crypto bullshit

[rough bloom]

forced to use open standard and be interoperable by the EU

but was also already reverse-engineered before that IIRC
just not implemented by vendors

[jagged turtle]

fucking finally (ngl I forgot about that)

[jagged turtle]

yeah, I found this github repo called opendrop which is apparently a reverse-engineered (probably) implementation of airdrop

oh thank god I can use this

[rigid snow]

if only it worked good even on apple devices

"if someone from your contacts list tries connecting to a wifi network that you're already connected to and is in your bluetooth range we will show a popup 50% of the time"

[jagged turtle]

surely better than nothing

[rigid snow]

i'm not quite sure what it's even supposed to do because it offers to share when the other person isn't trying to connect at all, especially if they're using a macbook

[rigid snow]

it really isn't because you can't rely on it. like do you wait for the popup or head to settings to open the qr code to share it

you having to make that choice is bad bad ux

it should either just work or never work

ok i was boasting about how windows is great and doesn't give me any headaches but did it just nuke its own built in utility

[jagged turtle]

wait when did it nuke ssh???

[rigid snow]

after an update

it's not supposed to do that regardless since it's a component and those should persist across them

[jagged turtle]

maybe powershell removed it?

[rigid snow]

it's not part of powershell

[jagged turtle]

huh

lemme see if I can still ssh

[rigid snow]

update disabled them lol

[jagged turtle]

bruh

[rigid snow]

wait no

that means they're installed

the checkbox is the selection

to delete

huh>??

[trim valve]

I still have ssh

mine lives in C:\WINDOWS\System32\OpenSSH\ssh.exe

[rigid snow]

it's there

so either it messed the path variable up or nuked a symlink somewhere

grr

[trim valve]

I assume Get-Command ssh fails?

given the output of your powershell and whatnot

[rigid snow]

ye

[trim valve]

[worldly plank]

That's what you get for calling windows great, I guess?

[rigid snow]

i never called it great i just don't have basically any issues with it

which seems to be rare

[worldly plank]

"i was boasting about how windows is great"

[rigid snow]

meant to say works great for me

i'm bad at articulating thoughts

they made it a nitro feature

oh wait you can add server channels to it that's pretty cool

[trim valve]

they should make sending messages need nitro

would maybe make discord stop losing money

[rigid snow]

anthropic leak

“mythos” model tier, larger than opus

but then replaced all mentions of mythos with capybara

[trim valve]

anthropic gas leak

[rigid snow]

[rigid snow]

their cms exposed draft posts lol

[shrewd cloak]

😭 dont

[trim valve]

what if

they made typing indicators have styles

as a nitro feature

[shrewd cloak]

also wasnt there some rumours of discord discussin abt releasing IPO?

[trim valve]

so nitro users can be even more annoying

[brisk laurel]

I accidentally did something to my phone

[rare bridge]

what if they made it so everyone without nitro had a 1 minute ratelimit for sending messages

[shrewd cloak]

smh

[rare bridge]

nitro basic gets 30s ratelimit

[brisk laurel]

the MMS of my phone is disabled somehow idk how to reset it

[shrewd cloak]

what happened?

[brisk laurel]

I cant answer calls

[shrewd cloak]

it should probably work with restart?

[brisk laurel]

This

[brisk laurel]

I did restart

[rare bridge]

what...

how did you turn everything into a conference call

[shrewd cloak]

oh, can you check permissions

[trim valve]

you made me remember this

can we limit non nitro users to one character/minute

[shrewd cloak]

if anything is disabled

[trim valve]

how is that meme nearly 9 years old

[shrewd cloak]

they figured abt him 9 yrs ago

[brisk laurel]

Idk i just turn off some permissions somehow

[shrewd cloak]

so it works now?

[brisk laurel]

No

[shrewd cloak]

can you check app settings

[brisk laurel]

I can't even use Google messages

[shrewd cloak]

like in settings app

[shrewd cloak]

[jagged turtle]

global slowmode

[rare bridge]

bro got banned from calling people

[trim valve]

per-guild slowmode, possible to increase with boosts

[shrewd cloak]

🤔 some micro-service didnt start or stopped working is my guess

lets not give discord more ideas

[trim valve]

nah discord need more ideas

[brisk laurel]

The permissions for this specific app

[rare bridge]

consider
they make stupid idea -> they die

[brisk laurel]

I still CAN receive messages but i cannot reply

[shrewd cloak]

i mean they certainly never made discord features worse for free users so far

[trim valve]

need an excuse to have a neurocord irc channel

or whatever is cool these days

can we have a slack

vedal has enough

[rare bridge]

can we have a google meet

[brisk laurel]

Though i can call on discord fine but not on messenger or Google messages or even phone contacts

[jagged turtle]

*decrease

[shrewd cloak]

🤔 um, this looks way weird

[jagged turtle]

also you can decrease it further if you buy nitro

[trim valve]

my head mixed up ratelimits and slowmode

[brisk laurel]

And all of my family only use Google messages that doesn't work too when i send messages but i CAN call

[jagged turtle]

specifically nitro standard, nitro classic/basic/whatever it's called now misses out

[trim valve]

oops i accidentally rang everyone on the server google meet

hmm

there's not enough features in that to enable scammers to be more effective

what if you could pay £5 to ping everyone as a nitro perk

[shrewd cloak]

🤔 i think asking gemini might help with this much info, just mention this and the fact that restarting does not help, if first few prompts fail, try suggesting 'some kind of background service might have failed'

[brisk laurel]

How do i backup my passkeys and authenticator passwords

I might hard reset thsi phone

[trim valve]

I also need to hard reset my phone at some point

I stopped getting notification sounds a week ago

[shrewd cloak]

hard reset is too far for that issue

[brisk laurel]

Let me see

[shrewd cloak]

thats the good part

[trim valve]

ok but

its discord

they need to quietly open up more permissions

I think everyone should be able to make their own roles

[shrewd cloak]

😭 well u technically can in your own server, giving those perms in public server is just asking for chaos

[umbral wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/miku-teto-mesmerizer-gif-790740585882126214

[sage crag]

[umbral wigeon]

(Ran out of chat

[shrewd cloak]

didnt know u can use opcode directly

[royal hearth]

Google AI mode are stupid

[silent island]

Hmm... lizard on computer peeps channel? Odd...

[brisk laurel]

I cant call people

[shrewd cloak]

computer peeps

[shrewd cloak]

yeah i was thinking of namespace when i saw the '::' operator but it would give error for prog[] declaration, forgot abt classes

[leaden crest]

*baking peeps

hello chat

[shrewd cloak]

havent ever used enum until now

[shrewd cloak]

🤔 gemini didnt help?

[shrewd cloak]

[leaden crest]

gemini is oddly bad at interfaces

[sage crag]

ye

#baking

channel

@tender river

doughnut

[leaden crest]

probably a result of being trained on apple tech support plus never seeing the interface with its own eyes

[tender river]

i halved the recipe but its still quite a lot

[shrewd cloak]

ok yeah, thats way far off from what i expected of gemini... try asking abt any possible micro services which can cause this issue

[tender river]

i'll do one as a test and if it turns out well i'll make cinnamon sugar for it and bake the rest

[shrewd cloak]

🤔 i see, i dont usually deal with that but otherwise it works way better than chatgpt for me

[sage crag]

i also halved the recipe and got like

13 doughnuts

or something

but

[shrewd cloak]

[sage crag]

only 4 of them were properly cooked

[tender river]

i have

thermometer

[shrewd cloak]

sugar?

[sage crag]

sugar

[shrewd cloak]

[tender river]

it programming term

it means

white sweet powder that is made from cane or beet

[shrewd cloak]

im lost

[sage crag]

[tender river]

but i dont have timer

so

still vibe cooking

ok ill stop procrastinating and go actually roll it

[shrewd cloak]

gl

[brisk laurel]

Okay I'll try

[tender river]

half a bottle of oil

gone

this better be good

[sage crag]

you can clean the oil and reuse it for other things if youre inclined

most of it isnt needed

wrr

[tender river]

its just

more oil than i use monthly

just from a single recipe

it just feels weird

also i'll reuse it maybe

[minor sail]

fry everything with it

Have some squid, chicken, mac n cheese balls :V become aggresivly american for a short period while you live off of oil based foods

[tender river]

im vegetarian so its basically

fried potatoes or

[sage crag]

tofu

[minor sail]

Ah

[tender river]

things with dough/batter

[tender river]

cheesit

[fast pagoda]

I sleep from 4pm yesterday to 7:30 am today when I meant to work on like 4 things

Good habits

[umbral wigeon]

What do yall thinks about big tech intreviewer that ask questions that you dont even have answer memorized

[kind nimbus]

Holy that's 15:30h

I just slept from 7am to 2pm lol

[azure lynx]

memorizing answers? they don't want people who memorize answers, they want people who can solve problems. the questions are how they are trying to figure out if you can solve problems, not memorize answers.

when you don't know the answer, work it out. show them your working.

if they ask a new question, memorizing the answers won't help you.

[sage crag]

03 to 07 for me

[kind nimbus]

I hate Canonical

https://www.sambent.com/canonicals-grub-saboteur-has-a-10-year-plan/

[trim valve]

why does that article tingle my slop senses

[flint dome]

the hell? luks and lvm? is that true

[silent island]

'fully smart' my ass lmao

[flint dome]

it most likely is along with the generated graphics since some of them dont render properly on mobile

[rough bloom]

it definitely does
the animations

[kind nimbus]

[kind nimbus]

Yes it's true

https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/streamlining-secure-boot-for-26-10/79069

[flint dome]

wtf they actually are what crack is canonical smoking i want some of it

[flint dome]

genuinely they have to be on some amazing shrooms to suggest these changes like I want what they're smoking and snorting

[kind nimbus]

Must be the good stuff

[flint dome]

though I have to be frank with you the way this is written it seems like an ai slop hit piece to me

however I do not like doing away with grub but atleast giving the user a choice

linux is very nice for legacy systems

[opaque sigil]

i guess outright removing grub is too much at once

as in too controversial

[rough bloom]

the proposal definitely isn't as crazy as a lot of people make it seem, if done properly this will have ~0 impact on security but significantly reduce the attack surface of GRUB

[kind nimbus]

Doubt it

Sam Bent is legit

[rough bloom]

you can still use LUKS or whatever filesystem you want, the kernel and initrd just can't be on it

[opaque sigil]

who tf is out there using btrfs and zfs for their boot partition

[flint dome]

well, ill take your word for it, its just such accusatory language is usually not appreciated (even if we have a lot of it flying around in linux)

[trim valve]

it talks in circles, has weird little animations and has random markdown syntax that doesn't do anything

[cloud rivet]

yoooo

[trim valve]

there was also a random </div> in there for the love of the game I guess

[cloud rivet]

what going on?

I'm writing my own programming language, by the way. :P

[tropic spindle]

Not what it means

[warped narwhal]

It'll be the battery protection, keeping a device at 100% is bad for it, so they won't charge all the way if it thinks it will be plugged in a lot

[fickle rain]

It's very easy to not run malware

Evidently not easy enough

<@&574931772781887488>

[dusty jungle]

[warped narwhal]

Did I miss free nitro :(

[fickle rain]

No, that Mr. Beast thing I think

[warped narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-roll-nitro-gif-21997352

[covert onyx]

New memory upgrade incoming https://research.google/blog/turboquant-redefining-ai-efficiency-with-extreme-compression/

[wheat coral]

I feel dirty, this is the 2nd time i'm infecting a family member's pc with Win11

[nocturne olive]

Run the Linux antivirus on that to cleanse it

[wheat coral]

family aren't tech savy enough for linux

legacy software and a gamer

[nocturne olive]

You don't need to be tech savy if you're just browsing the web or gaming on Steam

[wheat coral]

like I said, legacy software for geneology

[nocturne olive]

The WINE in question

[wheat coral]

used by a pair of genuine baby-boomers

they've also got iPhone poisoning

[kind nimbus]

Using Linux is kinda low-key easier than windows 11 nowadays ngl lol

[nocturne olive]

Yah

With Windows 11 you need to deal with Microlop Copilot garbage and vibecoding related bugs
With Linux things just, work

[wheat coral]

i'm on comission for the jobs, and they both put Win11 as their desired OS

I stopped doing PC work for free, even if they're family

[kind nimbus]

except when Nvidia or Intel xe lmao

I recently switched back from xe to i915 and now my Intel graphics run so much better

[fickle rain]

So except 2/3 GPU vendors

Including the one that owns gaming market

[nocturne olive]

Eh, Nvidia on Linux, at least Xorg, works perfectly fine

[fickle rain]

And except if you want to play competitive games

Or run Microsoft Office

[kind nimbus]

With amd it's smooth sailing if your GPU is new enough to be supported via amdgpu. Otherwise your stuck with radeon.

[nocturne olive]

My system works perfectly on dual Nvidia GPUs

[kind nimbus]

Wayland is unusable still with Nvidia

I tried it a few days ago lmao

[nocturne olive]

Wayland itself is just unusable

[kind nimbus]

I don't have issues with Wayland

Works much better than x11 for me idk

[nocturne olive]

Xorg at least has basic features things like software I'm developing require

For example, proper standard window movement API

Wayland just doesn't have that

And whatever the mess that global hotkeys are, nobody's gonna bother with it due to how bad for the developers it is

And having a remote Wayland system is just impossible due to the permission mess

[kind nimbus]

Wayland on the other hand runs much better for me, supports VRR, no issues with multi monitor setups, is more secure, etc

[nocturne olive]

I run multi monitor on Xorg and it works perfectly fine
The "security" is just an excuse by GNOME to not implement basic features

Wayland is mostly singlehandedly ruined by GNOME

If GNOME was kicked out maybe Wayland would get better but noooo, we can't have nice things

[kind nimbus]

I don't like gnome

I use kde on Wayland and everything works very good on my end

[nocturne olive]

Even if you don't use GNOME GNOME still basically has dictatorship status on telling what can be added to Wayland

[wheat coral]

suddenly this sounds WAY beyond the technical skills of my clients

[rough bloom]

they haven't had that for ages now

they somewhat did once but governance improved since then

doesn't affect any "unofficial" protocols anyway, and there are quite a few of those

[nocturne olive]

Devs can't really rely on unofficial protocols can they? That's a problem with Wayland, targeting "Wayland" usually means targeting whatever specific DE you're working with or a subset of them unless your app is kinda limited on what it does

Fragmentation is bad

[rough bloom]

Devs can't really rely on unofficial protocols can they
they can, some of them are effectively standard

wlr-layer-shell is a good example

basically any status bar you can get will use wlr-layer-shell

and it's gonna work fine on basically any compositor

even if the origin is in wlroots, other compositors chose to implement it too, so there is broad support

except from Mutter because GNOME

[mighty thorn]

Guys

What if

Programming

[trim valve]

my only issue so far with wayland has been x users

"how do I do this on wayland"
"just use xrandr [...]"

new default vscode theme is throwing me off

I kinda like some off the changes

but

can I get colours other than blue please

[rough bloom]

not highlighting strings is certainly a choice

[trim valve]

I think toml just got unlucky with colours

in rust and stuff it looks fine

[rough bloom]

[trim valve]

the colours are completely different though

[rough bloom]

string color seems consistent at least

[trim valve]

yeah its pretty nice

I gotta remember what I was doing on this project now

[shrewd cloak]

[trim valve]

I mean I last touched it over a month ago

[shrewd cloak]

u will remember it soon enough... given that ur last change is like few weeks

[shrewd cloak]

nvm

gl

[trim valve]

I remember why I start so many projects

much easier than the rest of doing a project

[rough bloom]

I still gotta figure out my VM thing
too many choices

[shrewd cloak]

i get a lot of project ideas, but havent completed any

[rough bloom]

in retrospect making it a proper VM is gonna way overcomplicate everything and there's no real need for it
but I'm just gonna ignore that for now

[shrewd cloak]

i never understand use of vm beyond different os, but im sure there are other good reasons

[rough bloom]

VM as in, for bytecode programs, not for a whole OS and not emulating any hardware

[silent island]

WHAT IN THE ACTUAL F..???

[shrewd cloak]

oh

that makes sense

[shrewd cloak]

just have to wait for PS6

[silent island]

Broooo
If the PS5s are already this much...
Then the PS6 might be like a 1000 bucks or sumth... 💀

[shrewd cloak]

true, dunno why they decided to increase the cost so much

[silent island]

Those damn shortages...

[shrewd cloak]

surely prices will go back to normal in 2 years

[silent island]

Switch 2s in my country costs like 600 bucks now...

[obsidian mantle]

i accidentely put true out of parenthesis and not as the argument, this argument has default so it compiled.. but why did the if accept this whatever it is structure?

if (lock_camera_onto_target(target_ref, dtime), true)

[trim valve]

is this python?

[obsidian mantle]

cpp

[trim valve]

[shrewd cloak]

smh my head

[silent island]

2030 in the earliest..

[obsidian mantle]

you can just use , instead of ||?

or what is it

because it evaluated like it was ||

[alpine cloud]

there's a comma operator that's pretty obscure

and i haven't seen a single intended use of it, only accidental ones

[shrewd cloak]

hell nah, i cant wait that long, those are only few things i want after i get a job smh

[opaque sigil]

it's nice for macros

[alpine cloud]

it pretty much discards whatever the left side did, and returns the right side. it calls lock_camera_onto_target but always runs the if (true) afterwards

[obsidian mantle]

yeah exactly what happened

[shrewd cloak]

iirc cpp is a bit weird in this context, if it is an expression which is not null, it will accept as true, im pretty sure u will get the same answer even if u change it to false

[alpine cloud]

depending on compiler and optimization level, you could be unlucky and not get that call

[trim valve]

we love c++ :3

[alpine cloud]

we love modern c++

but even that won't make the comma operator go away

[shrewd cloak]

funny enough c++ is my prefered programming language

[alpine cloud]

i did a lot of c++ when i actively worked on Dolphin. these days i'm more of a c# kinda guy

[shrewd cloak]

i did c# for game dev when i didnt know much abt programming, wasnt a... pleasant experience

[alpine cloud]

was it....unity?

i did some game dev back when too, and figured "i know c#, i should love unity!" but it turned out to be more javascript-y instead

ended up doing more with unreal, until i didn't do any game dev anymore

[olive sable]

New ram

We're so back

[leaden crest]

how much ram total on the system now

[opaque sigil]

2G with 3 fake sticks

[trim valve]

uuuugh

why is trying an orm so tempting

yet so

tedious

[olive sable]

4x16

[rough bloom]

just make your own database, just for this project

[olive sable]

hmm, i should do a memtest

cuz firefox keeps crashing

[trim valve]

store it in json files

ok yeah this is just

straight up not gonna work

I can't get sea-orm to work at all

[minor sail]

Hey! I got sea-orm to mostly work for my usecase!

The whole hot to handle relationships thing is not documented enough imo

[rough bloom]

ORM bad

manual SQL also bad

all must become stateless

[queen ginkgo]

https://fxtwitter.com/IntCyberDigest/status/2037528665894895955

International Cyber Digest (@IntCyberDigest)

‼️ Google just tanked RAM and NAND stocks solving the memory shortage crisis by introducing an algorithm that requires 6x less DRAM and runs 8x faster, with zero accuracy loss.
︀︀
︀︀They call it TurboQuant. Hardware prices are expected to drop even further now.

**💬 69 🔁 316 ❤️ 4.7K 👁️ 249.6K **

FxTwitter · Mar 27, 2026, 1:54 PM

[trim valve]

rewrite pxls as nix

every pixel placed is a commit

[queen ginkgo]

Neuro might be less hungry from now on

[trim valve]

users must connect via ssh

uuh

[rough bloom]

pixel as derivation

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

an algorithm for what? what got faster?

[nocturne olive]

I think it's just a new way to quantize LLMs

[leaden crest]

quantization final boss

[trim valve]

incredibly distributed pxls with merge conflicts

[rough bloom]

[trim valve]

surely git is perfectly fine if you assume every client is untrustworthy

[rough bloom]

commits distributed the old way via mailing list

pixels manually merged by moderator

[queen ginkgo]

Yeah I think that's what it is too. Just optimized it in a way that uses less memory

[rough bloom]

moderation solved for free

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

wut

[queen ginkgo]

And seeing as most of the ram demand right now is due to company's making and using LLMs this naturally is gonna lower ram prices unless demand increases

[rough bloom]

your RAM is explod

[leaden crest]

id say demand will probably decrease at this rate

everyone alr has ai and lots are starting to call it slop

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

sam what is your luck with ram doing

isn't this the second set of faulty ram you've had now

[olive sable]

Yes

[trim valve]

[nocturne olive]

If you just swapped your RAM to completely new maybe your memory controller is the explod one

[minor sail]

is it the motherboard?

[rough bloom]

also memtest running under your OS is not very good
better to use memtest86+

[olive sable]

Last time it was just one stick that tested bad in every slot

So shouldnt be cpu nor mobo

[queen ginkgo]

But hey for us Neuro lovers Neuro can (maybe) get smarter for basically no cost to latency or Vedal's wallet

[rough bloom]

it's possible that your new sticks just can't handle whatever OC you set

but it should've prompted you to check that

[nocturne olive]

AMD mem controller is goofy

[olive sable]

Its running at its rated soeed

3600 16-19-19-19-39

Time to reseat them

[nocturne olive]

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1blsjfm/is_memory_controller_on_5000_series_ryzen_better/
Apparently quad 3600 is challenging for the memory controller

[rough bloom]

very possible that it can't handle that already, at least at the default voltage

well yeah, it's 4 sticks on two channels

[olive sable]

On the box it says it does that at 1.35v, i alteady upped it to 1.38 tho

[nocturne olive]

The mem controller may be the issue, not the RAM itself

[proven merlin]

Ive heard increasing SoC/dram controller minimally helps on the 5000, but its kinda dangerous

Especially x3d's dont like it if im not misremembering

[olive sable]

I got a 5950x so should be fine then

Lemme test it with 2 sticks

[rough bloom]

if reseating doesn't fix it then I'd just try reducing frequency or loosening timings
but I also don't particularly care about the performance difference, mabe different for you

[proven merlin]

(ok whats up with 5950's.. seriously i said it before but why they always throublesome

[nocturne olive]

If it can't 4x 3600 you may just need to downclock to 3200

[warped narwhal]

I needed to set 1.4v to get 16 19 19 19 36 timings on 4 sticks,

[olive sable]

[warped narwhal]

Also with a 5950x

Although I had to get the sticks in a specific order. They wouldn't work any other way other than the one I have rn (it took 13 hours of troubleshooting to find this)

[olive sable]

First 2 sticks work fine

[proven merlin]

Yaay, weak dram controller?

[olive sable]

Lemme see the other sticks

[warped narwhal]

Are the two kits you have exactly the same? As in the same serial numbers?

[nocturne olive]

AMD is well known for having worse memory controllers

[warped narwhal]

Worse memory controllers, but the CPUs also love tight timings

[olive sable]

Idk

[warped narwhal]

check them

If they are not the same then you need to balance the channels

[proven merlin]

Yea they might need a bump in voltage.. i didn't run into these issues on the 2000/3000 series oddly enough

[olive sable]

I dont have the old serial numbers lying around

[warped narwhal]

Should be on the sticker on the ram itself

[olive sable]

Only the ones from the new set

[trim valve]

are they not on the ram sticks

[olive sable]

They are

But i dont have the serial numbers from the old set

Cuz i dont have the old set

[warped narwhal]

but you have all 4 sticks there, right?

[proven merlin]

Apparently according to the web, vsoc around 1.10-1.15V, never going above 1.3V for 5950x.. but confirm it yourself before obviously

[warped narwhal]

Or is it a set of 4?

[olive sable]

Set of 4 yes

The broken sticks i sent back had 1 that didnt work properly even at 2133mhz. So it was the ram then

But now, the other 2 stick also did fine on memtest

So now the issue is the order, or increasing voltage

[proven merlin]

I mean you can check what ur vsoc is at with hwinfo iirc

Im guessing 0.95-1.05V

[olive sable]

The bios had it at 1.1 by default

I can set it to 1.15

[proven merlin]

Hm, 1.1 to like 1.15 is recommended for higher ram speed so.. theoretically ok

And you booted but had mem errors so possible it just needs that lil bump

[olive sable]

I put the ram on 1.40v too like semicolon recommended

These sticks should be able to handle it

[proven merlin]

Good luck!

Also check zen timings i suppose

I don't particularly know how to read it but perhaps someone here sees a red flag

[olive sable]

still faisl with all 4 sticks

weak memory contorlelr bwaa

maybe i should do 2T isntead of 1T

[sage crag]

sam

sam

you havent said happy birthday yet sam

@olive sable

@olive sable

[olive sable]

Hi

Happy birthday konii

[nocturne olive]

No way Koni birthday

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

happy birthday to you too

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-uma-im-no-ears-im-all-ears-horse-gif-4308252428337868305

[sage crag]

rude

[olive sable]

Its not my birthday

[sage crag]

yes

its my birthday

happy birthday sam

[olive sable]

what

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

birthday campaign 2026

[olive sable]

happy birthday shiro

[sage crag]

it is shiro's real birthday today ye

[olive sable]

is it?

[sage crag]

ye

same day

[olive sable]

the member list tab in discord is bugged

@real sierra happy birthday

[sage crag]

who is cpt mann

[olive sable]

i have no clue

oh

there you are

[sage crag]

yes

i was appearing offline

[olive sable]

i used gear-down mode, and set soc to 1.170V
and it appears to be fine now

[minor sail]

nice

[glass jetty]

happy birthday koniifer

[olive sable]

where does the name koniifer come from?

[trim valve]

tree

surely

[olive sable]

i probably asked this before since that does ring a bell

but im dum

ye it tree

[sage crag]

tree

also my mum used to call me something similar

because

i like trees

autism

[glass jetty]

some one called some one else autistic in tg channel
than i just saw random post about autism in <phone search shit thing>
open ellie's clip and she talk about autism
and now here
4 different sources
within less than 1 hour

[opaque sigil]

happy birthday konii

[olive sable]

you're in #programming

home of the autism

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

now that im back at 64GB, i can make outrageously ram intensive things in blender again

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-boom-thoughts-anime-girl-boom-thoughts-gif-3847619567883703209

[sage crag]

haopy birthday toast

[olive sable]

this sticker is called toast, so now this is what toast looks like to me

[opaque sigil]

thanks

you're only uhhh

4 and a half months early

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

not your birthday

my birthday

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

happy birthday

[opaque sigil]

yes your birthday

you do have a great birthday

[glass jetty]

btw, randomly thought
why discord changed #0000 names

[opaque sigil]

or else

[olive sable]

did they?

[glass jetty]

[sage crag]

ye

[opaque sigil]

they removed discriminators because it was too much to remember for people apparently

[sage crag]

having great birthday

i got

cpp multitasking vm impl optimised

and

[olive sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1403320894096412692.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=explode

[sage crag]

i got my first 500pp in osu

[opaque sigil]

[glass jetty]

i gonna make vim extensions this weekend for real

[sage crag]

snippet

[glass jetty]

just gonna start asking ai what i need to make them and spend next 2 days at least

[warped narwhal]

#gaming is that way

[sage crag]

i wrote in cpp because convenient

but i will rewrite in c after

[wheat coral]

so, the rig I've been commissioned to build, has recently taken its blood-price. near a finger joint naturally

[olive sable]

i looked at my bank account and its not looking good.
imma have to replace the pi later

[rough bloom]

gonna just run it with HDMI from your PC then I guess?

[glass jetty]

what is pi?

[sage crag]

pi

[olive sable]

ye

[sage crag]

raspberry

[olive sable]

raspberry s-pi-der

[rough bloom]

🍊

[olive sable]

it was on orange pi 5 ultra

but close to same thing

hmm

it was the 16gb version, which now sels for 370 euro

[trim valve]

what happened to the pi

[azure lynx]

4*arctan(1)

[olive sable]

i powered the motor controller with the 5V from the pi, and that created a ground loop or something from the 5V to the 3.3V pins

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

an inductor got vissibally fried, and potentially some other components

[opaque sigil]

so you fried it is what you're saying

[sage crag]

nobody asked me about my vm

[azure lynx]

don't power a motor off the controller board. they like to blow up stuff

[sage crag]

i sad

[olive sable]

i know that now

[trim valve]

I am currently getting ground loop diffed

[olive sable]

expensive lesson tho

[trim valve]

waiting for trs-xlr to arrive

[azure lynx]

motors can produce back EMF which can be quite high voltage

[rough bloom]

that was only control power though, main power to the motor was 12V

[olive sable]

i was only powering the 5V logic on the motor controller, and the motor itself had its own 12V buck converter.
apparently the ground for both circuits are linked tho

so what exactly happened idk

[azure lynx]

do you have a plan to avoid the problem again then?

[olive sable]

putting the power for the motor controller on a seperate rail ye

[azure lynx]

i've never run a motor off a buck converter. i've always used a speed controller of some sort

[olive sable]

the motor controller is the speed controller

with PWM coming from the pi

[azure lynx]

speed controller is the thing which puts the battery voltage into the motor.

[olive sable]

yes

[rough bloom]

it's a brushed DC motor, no?

[olive sable]

ye

[rough bloom]

so you shouldn't need a full ESC

just motor driver is fine

[olive sable]

this thing

HW-039

[azure lynx]

what does "BURN" do? nice that they labeled it

but not nice that they used the same values for each column. that alone would be a warning flag about that device for me.

coz it doesn't explain anything

[olive sable]

im pretty sure that kills the mosfets

[azure lynx]

what does PWM 1-255? what??!

it's a bad diagram coz it doesn't tell you what you need to know to use it.

[rough bloom]

how are you planning to have separate control power to the motor driver btw? just gonna wire PWM to 5V?

[olive sable]

what?

oh

ye i had the thing labeled "PWM" on this diagram high

but i might have put it on 3.3V instead of 5V and that may have killed the pi

[rough bloom]

ye, gotta be careful with 3.3V

[azure lynx]

probably drawing too much current is what killed it if you fried stuff.

a lot of stuff tha says 5v (but not all) will work with 3.3v too

i use a teensy to control ESCs in some robots

[olive sable]

ye but i accidentally mixed them

[azure lynx]

ah... that'll probably do it

[rough bloom]

I'm still suspecting 5V backfed into the 3.3V rail

[olive sable]

the top pins have 5V ont he right, but 3.3V on the left

[trim valve]

wrr

[olive sable]

i think i connected it to the wrong one by mistake

[trim valve]

orm problem realised

I kinda don't want to couple my models to my database

but also

I do

so like

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

what if i could have all the benefits of orm

without orm

[olive sable]

lmao

[olive sable]

the inductor that fried didnt have any markings on it, so im not sure what the specs were, and even if i do replace it, its not guaranteed to work

more stuff might have fried

[rough bloom]

mabe worth trying anyway

370€ board

[sage crag]

wrr mention

ert

hapy birthday wrr

[trim valve]

tempted to make more duplicate code

[olive sable]

ye, but what do i replace it with?

[trim valve]

and cast between db model

and my model

[rough bloom]

sounds horrible

I fully support it

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

its only worth 370 due to it having 16gb of lpddr5 btw
the base board with like 4gb and no hdmi input is 100 bucks

[trim valve]

ok actually nvm I really like this idea

I just need to write code

[olive sable]

the problem with mini-pc, they dont have gpio

so gpu would be better, but no talking to the motor controller

[sage crag]

[trim valve]

just find one with vga

[olive sable]

no

i kind need 570x1140x180hz

[trim valve]

I was meaning for the gpio

[rough bloom]

plug Teensy or RPi Pico into it

[brisk laurel]

its an inside job scam
my data is being sold by facebook itself when im trying to login

[olive sable]

combined with the mini pc?

[rough bloom]

ye

[olive sable]

hmm

that could work

[trim valve]

can confirm shenanegans like that work

I had a pico connected to a pi4 talking over serial

[sage crag]

why

[rough bloom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324872678791975004/1486451477739470998/BA0787E2D73F28B11C5D8BF6AC8FF7B6.gif

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324872678791975004/1486451477739470998/BA0787E2D73F28B11C5D8BF6AC8FF7B6.gif

it birthday

why only message for birthday

scary

2025 2026

[trim valve]

kni

it is 2027

[olive sable]

trying to find a mini pc is hard whe you're standarts are too high

[sage crag]

oh

[olive sable]

i see i3 and immediately go no, eventho all the mini pcs will prob have an i3

[trim valve]

oh no my minature pc cannot run giga triangle rtx edition

how sad

[olive sable]

yes

[rough bloom]

you can get much better ones ofc, but ye the cheap ones will have a weak processor

and weak everything

Dell Optiplex

[olive sable]

i imagine mini pc will use a lot more power too

so then i wont be able to run it off 140W

[rough bloom]

oh right

USB-C power

yeah that's not happening

[olive sable]

i mean

having multiple plugs is not the end of the world

but i dont like it

i asked chatgpt, and 🥇 Best candidate: Rock 5B (RK3588)

thats what i already had

the rock 5B seems to have more features on its board tho

[rough bloom]

cheaper too

use laptop with defective screen

and a USB-C port capable of 100W output

[olive sable]

i have a laptop with broken screen lying around

but tbh the mobo is a bit bigger than id like

[rough bloom]

🪚