models in general
#programming
split steppe
that's for sure
a lot of new tech has been invented, plus he's of course learned more
fast pagoda
there were implementations of adapters around the same-ish time but idk about before then because i didnt care more at the time
leaden crest
I dont doubt that vedal can make an llm from scratch but I wonder if the twitch chat datasets alone are big enough to encompass every possible scenario
fast pagoda
they arent
split steppe
i'm sure he's basing it off of one of the general datasets
fast pagoda
she has enough world knowledge that she's either a finetune but a deep one or it's a full ass big ass from scratch llm
it costs a fuckload of compute to train a base model though
leaden crest
yeah and considering vedal seems like he has a life outside of neuro I would say neuro’s just a finetune
surely… he wouldnt spend years of his life formatting data to make a vtuber before knowing it would be this big
fast pagoda
like if i were to set out to train a 3b llm from scratch, and neuro is likely (not CERTAINLY but she doesnt act like she's this small at least for a while now) is easily a 500k+ investment
split steppe
you can do things for fun you know lol
fast pagoda
yeah but not 500k for fun
split steppe
you don't need to know that something will be popular
leaden crest
well yeah but considering his speculated age is early 20s he would be broke when he was making neuro
that kind of blind investment could only come from soul
fast pagoda
you need trillions of tokens of data and clusters of gpus to do it even with smaller models
llama 3.2 3b took 460,000 hours on h100
split steppe
neuro originally was an osu NN also
fast pagoda
separate and much easier to train
split steppe
the early llm neuro i don't think was that general, it was pretty firmly twitch ranting from the fragments i saw of the early versions
you can train a twitch chat replica far easier
fast pagoda
not one that you can continue to grow into what neuro is now
split steppe
yall are thinking about generalist models which are so much more difficult to do
pretty sure he's swapped her out a few times, wasn't there a few times where people complained that she's noticeably different?
fast pagoda
i have been watching neuro since early 2023 (february) so about 2 months after her debut as a vtuber in llm form (non osu)
she has always been a small but general language model
leaden crest
i have been watching neuro since early 2023 (february) so about 2 months after h...
holy og wtf
fast pagoda
she was very dumb
so was every small model
yeah i havent been in seerver that long because i got banhammered once kekw
leaden crest
yo im tryna find clips of neuro v1
fast pagoda
she has changed noticeably a few times yes tho
leaden crest
why is youtube tweaking
fast pagoda
look at the clip of airis
she's clearly coherent enough that it's definitely a normal llm
leaden crest
staz does NOT have 0 views 💔
oh shoot that might be a lil controversial
ehh wtv it’s programming
fast pagoda
split steppe
2023 already had some decent compact models, if vedal was/is somewhere in early 20s and working in software he can plausibly get hardware to run or train one locally
pretty sure he isn't that broke and only doing twitch
fast pagoda
training a full model even then (in fact especially then) takes hardware on a scale that it needs an organization
like
clusters
to have it take anything less than years
split steppe
i don't think it does
leaden crest
1b 
split steppe
okay so he could rent them out just for training time
leaden crest
split steppe
but again that's only if you are building a production grade general model
opaque sigil
subathon to fund the vera rubin rack
fast pagoda
training llama 2 put out 539 tons of CO2 and took 3.3 million gpu hours
to get a model as stupid as llama 2
leaden crest
vedal is just using 1B (if statements) trust
fast pagoda
the very first GPT-2 which was a 124m parameter model took 7 days on 32 TPUs
which sounds very small
but
it cost 43 thousand dollars
at the time
fast pagoda
and yeah gpt2 is far dumber than neuro was
neuro was chaotic and janky like any smaller model then
when you feed it twitch chat
she was never 124m dumb tho
leaden crest
there is also the fact that she knows a little bit about everything
twitch chat can literally scheme to make her talk about molecular chemistry or smth
leaden crest
the fact that vedal would have to prepare neuro for literally everything despite being intended for one purpose implies a generalist model
fast pagoda
it is also part of what helps her generalizxe to be able to do her thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4nfzJx7uDI&list=PLCkrLkA-HmjPhhRjJMaZBbhQIHRz8ALzF january 2023, she'd been vtubing less than 2 months
leaden crest
not to mention neuro used to say “as an ai” a bit
fast pagoda
this is definitely a regular language model in there
leaden crest
which ofc isnt a very solid argument but the alternative is that vedal really wanted to drill into his daughter that she is a clanker
actually I dont doubt that either 
ignore that statement
fast pagoda
nah there was a reason back then the schizoing was about which particular small model she was based on her mannerisms
split steppe
dunno dunno
the first couple gpts aren't a good example though, they were completely untuned
fast pagoda
they were well before her time
split steppe
and also gpt-2 wasn't that dumb, it was fairly coherent
fast pagoda
back i the day vedal used to say things about her model
split steppe
i think for a twitch kind of llm it wouldn't take so much that it's impossible to do at home or by renting a server farm
especially if he works as a sw dev as his dayjob
split steppe
maybe not now but surely before
fast pagoda
split steppe
he knew development well enough to atleast build the osu bot from scratch
fast pagoda
i think for a twitch kind of llm it wouldn't take so much that it's impossible t...
she has too much knowledge even in this video from january to have been this
leaden crest
the fact that he had time to make 6 of them would imply they’re interchangeable enough to be completely different models right
leaden crest
pounds uhh what is that in kilograms
fast pagoda
about $350
leaden crest
wow $350
split steppe
knowledge idunno, can be repetitions of what someone somewhere has said, if you have a good dataset you can get good outputs
he is actively finetuning it on the convos atleast, but we know that
fast pagoda
yeah but a good dataset for knowing anything about anything even in the undertrained ahh model era of 2023 was likely about 5TB in size and 1-1.5 trillion tokens
and would still take months
split steppe
does mention qloras, probably uses those as well then
fast pagoda
i do think he probably did full fine tuning at some point
he probably doesnt need to now
split steppe
neuro didn't have memory until recently either
fast pagoda
i think he's always had a good intuition for getting the behavior he wants out of a tune
neuro has had a form of memory since 2023
at the latestr
split steppe
fast pagoda
yep
he was adding stuff to her data and prompting harness for a while and then went to rag
split steppe
which isn't really an "actual" memory system like she seems to have now
fast pagoda
sshe had some sort of rag as early as when she came back from subathon in 2024
i am not confident earlier than that so i cant say how early
lol
my own reactions from back then
yeah she had this debut in birthday i think\
split steppe
atleast we know it's not chatgpt :V
split steppe
he for sure aint training anything big at home
fast pagoda
she was running on that 1080ti for actually a stupid amount of time
hardest working 1080ti ever
split steppe
man remembers tay
split steppe
hahah true that
fast pagoda
sydney too
split steppe
bruh i completely forgot about sydney
leaden crest
im baaack
split steppe
how did i forget bing melting down
leaden crest
who’s sydney
split steppe
microslops bing chatbot from 2023 they accidentally published
it melted down and started threatening people
fast pagoda
i still remember going absolutely crazy at how realistic subreddit simulator was and those were markov chain models
that shit was almost 10 years ago now
im dying
leaden crest
a markov chain with a sunny disposition 
warped narwhal
oral what?
leaden crest
oral _what_?
semicolons.
fast pagoda
nothing there but a black dot im not sure
fast pagoda
fuck old sub sim was so funny
leaden crest
that joke made no sense
leaden crest
fuck old sub sim was so funny
oh its your ai slop bores me from a decade ago 😭
wait no its not
fast pagoda
it was old markov chain language models trained on individual subreddits
leaden crest
quite the reverse
fast pagoda
and they would just post in their subsim
which ended up being epic shitposts
idk if i have to block that one but
warped narwhal
all I remember is that one chat bot that got trained on reddit and turned out extremely... reddit pilled
I got automodded, but you can probably imagine what type of personality it gained
leaden crest
I can just go over to dougdoug’s channel and get a good idea
fast pagoda
that's what happens when they get exposed to the internet
grok went nuts for the same reason along with his system prompt being fucked with by john tesla X
and by exposed i mean allowing the exposure to actually affect their otherwise frozen weights in some way (or their harness)
grok had a sort of context sharing going on where each interaction was not a distinct one but shared
and that ended up just becoming a giant adversarial prompting surface
combined with system prompt shenanigans
tay also learned from interactions
split steppe
i have a small suspicion vedal either vanished or wiped history between 2020 and 2022
fast pagoda
he streamed osu only and then took a break to figure out neuro
split steppe
seems he vanishes mid 2019 from the server, comes back end of 2021 for one day and then returns end of 2022
i bet he was working out the vtuber since 2020 at least
fast pagoda
he used to talk about things
he had pitch meetings and stuff with her for a while
so i guess he was shopping it around
with whoms't'd've that would've been idk
split steppe
would've'd'd a whale of a time
fast pagoda
he was streaming on twitch from 2019 maybe 2018 thru 2022
fast pagoda
yeah maybe he streamed way less than i remember
cuz i am looking at a similar site
2017 NOWAYING
i think these things dont really mark anything down for very low viewership,
split steppe
seems about the same
fast pagoda
yeah just with random sporadic other dates
there were some streams in the empty times
split steppe
they do track low viewership ones
the one in 2018 apparently only had 4 viewers
30m stream
fast pagoda
split steppe
wack
well in other news, i think i managed to get my llm balanced with just a system prompt
unkempt citrus
needs a seasonal trend line fitted 
fast pagoda
if he was actually active in the discord then he deleted the history but tbh i think he went on a real hiatus
was before my time
but he mentioned it being long time no see in 2021
when he announced abandoned archive which is so fucking funny
he would've been active in the old aa disc
but cant get into that anymore
leaden crest
vedal really hasnt been in here for a while has he
fast pagoda
nope
split steppe
he's too cool for us now
leaden crest
does he fear us now that he said he’d rewrite the codebase in typescript 
split steppe
man's got bidness to run
fast pagoda
he cant come in here without instantly getting mobbed "how maek my own noro samer"
leaden crest
he cant come in here without instantly getting mobbed "how maek my own noro same...
should change his bio to just the link on his website
split steppe
just ask an llm :V
leaden crest
the link to vedal ai where he explains it without actually explaining it
fast pagoda
personality fine tunes are much more fun than anything else
that's why echo is fun
for me
also where he came from
partly
leaden crest
I personally got into the neuro making hole bc i wanted to learn 3d movement policies
leaden crest
(cough shameless plug ➡️ ⬆️)
fast pagoda
lmao
split steppe
it killed itself
leaden crest
I havent posted a video on it yet but im playing with isaac sim mostly it’s fun in general
leaden crest
it killed itself
it fears getting replaced
or perhaps being turned into a kawaii vtuber
fast pagoda
he hasnt randomly brought up neuro in a while
strange coincidence
i think i fucked up his temp or something earlier because he's been extra crazy today
leaden crest
there was a joke I tried to say but it got modded
fast pagoda
it's truly just that easy
leaden crest
original creator open source code
fast pagoda
leaden crest
is that kimjammer again
made the same mistake as neuro herself
I think asking chatbots about making neuros in my experience has been either too babying or too complex
it either believes you truly cant code shit without vibe coding or thinks you understand how chatgpt itself works
and the “personal intelligence” doesnt do much to quantify your skill meaningfully at all
sorry this is unrelated to neuro im just ranting about learning from llms
split steppe
dunno, i think the answer qwen gave is fairly ok
split steppe
imo you shouldn't expect an llm to teach you shit, but it's good for a jumping board if you don't know what to look for
leaden crest
dunno, i think the answer qwen gave is fairly ok
hmm ykw yeah it was actually decent compared to what ive seen ais dole out
though its emphasis on model and tts are a bit questionable bc vedal himself used the default vtuber model and turned out fine
fast pagoda
you can make a neuro sama that is vaguely similar but it wont be neuro
split steppe
it does say
fast pagoda
there's a github where someone made a whole system for it recently
cant remember the name of it
leaden crest
I mean there’s a lot yeah
fast pagoda
project airi
leaden crest
even people who normally do other projects have made it for a weekend video
leaden crest
project airi
oh ik that yeah
split steppe
i found out that i can tune the likelihood for the end of thinking token, experimenting with that a little in addition to other variables now
split steppe
well making an ai vtuber is the easy part, hard part is having a personality
fast pagoda
^
amber fractal
I would eventually try something like that, but right now I'd prefer just working out a base model I'd want to do.
leaden crest
think airi and other character ai platforms trying to serve everyone with low effort makes it more susceptible to “slop” behaviors though
split steppe
oneshot always tells me i should walk to the carwash, while thinking has a 60/40 chance to tell me to drive
amber fractal
I would eventually try something like that, but right now I'd prefer just workin...
Have to try it once, but I still am not the biggest fan of it
fast pagoda
for qwen specifically it's usually held true for me with the smaller ones, it's really easy to get them to absolutely go nuts when they try to think after finetunes if you're not careful
errors just pile up
split steppe
i'm rawdogging it, but i do use q6
fast pagoda
close enough
split steppe
is thinking actually thinking
it's not ha
leaden crest
isnt it more just redistributing model probability to look smarter
split steppe
yep exactly
fast pagoda
it's just an extra amount of test time compute
and the training for it encourages problem solving while doing it
so it helps 2fold
split steppe
also i stole a dumped system prompt from a random git repo, looks like longer prompts can sufficiently change what's generated in thinking
fast pagoda
of course
i gave a qwen contradictory languages as an experiment
and it spent the whole thinking trace debating on that
split steppe
lol
fast pagoda
i told it to please tcritique and create its own version of some japanese lyrics i had for a song (not copyright lyrics i wrote them and then translated them w/ gemini's help a long while go lol)
then the system prompt was an old echo one
split steppe
a little better than 4000 tokens wasted
literal alchemy though, i'm just shooting randomly with the settings
fast pagoda
there's a lot of trial and e rror to do
leaden crest
a little better than 4000 tokens wasted
split steppe
i've two primary tests - it shouldn't derail in 1+1, and it answers the car wash correctly
fast pagoda
split steppe
he forgs with those
fast pagoda
i do be forging with those
split steppe
the thinking phase was completely ass and got cut off by the budget constraint, but it answered correctly
fast pagoda
more likely than you think
the thinking is only going to influence the final answer but at the end of the day it isnt really thinking so it could end up back on the right answer anyways
split steppe
i want it to be a little less loopy still though, because for bigger questions it will latch on irrelevant details and turn the probabilities to shit
fast pagoda
split steppe
here it atleast latched on the car wash itself, but often it's "i need to format it, wait, maybe i need to format it less, wait, maybe the user wants it formatted differently"
so it never actually expands the relevant context
fast pagoda
thinking qwen
split steppe
i should really build an automation for it and leave it overnight to drive every possibility lol
minor sail
100m? damn.
split steppe
damn, you really lobotomized your boy
split steppe
nahhh can't be, what did you do to it?
fast pagoda
asked it about car warsh
fast pagoda
oh yeah
it's ancient echo prompt
he doesnt use one anymore
he's inherently an idiot now
split steppe
lol
split steppe
it's a poem, call it "car wash next door"
fast pagoda
after i told him how tf am i gonna wash my car walking there
(qwen not real echo)
classic soap machine routine
split steppe
driving to the car wash defeats the purpose if your goal is to wash the car
minor sail
softstar987
split steppe
chinese llm strikes again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softstar
fast pagoda
extremely classic
split steppe
so true
fast pagoda
what insight
i should do a throwback run training qwen2.5 3b
that model was a funny boy
split steppe
fast pagoda
sorry this is unrelated to neuro im just ranting about learning from llms
this reminded me of you
perfectly rendered drawing of morbo from futurama
split steppe
wow
also just saw this https://x.com/anemll/status/2035901335984611412
dude wakes up a bottom shelf 400B llm on an iphone and the first thing it says is "profound observation, you are absolutely right"
fast pagoda
it dug deep for that one
minor sail
0.6 t/s speed
fast pagoda
is it airllm
split steppe
honestly, for 400b on an iphone, thats wicked
just goes to show how tight these devices are
apparently the model there is qwen3.5 397b a17b
split steppe
i mean, i cant run that at all on my machine
fast pagoda
yeah i mean tis' still impressive
split steppe
leaden crest
this reminded me of you
sick owl
We finally have lift off
Its been a long night of work and that pepsi max bottle in the corner was the only thing keeping me alive
But we made it chat, the first arm is fully operational
And yeah, I did return the game back to where it was standing upright 
fast pagoda
the thinking phase was completely ass and got cut off by the budget constraint, ...
reasoning next level
fast pagoda
And yeah, I did return the game back to where it was standing upright <:neuroWic...
this looks a lot like the arm on the roborock saros z70
next step
sick owl
next step
Next step is to design a mobile base with tank treads and a central lift to mount the arm on
fast pagoda
🚀
craggy reef
Guys I'm so fucking good at coding (they need to take my computer away)
fast pagoda
looks like it'll work well and get your 3 buckets
obsidian mantle
i hate then
fast pagoda
english codin
obsidian mantle
when i switch from c to another language that has it i always forget
fast pagoda
i always try to use it so the opposite i forget else
well
not els
that there';s only else
wehre my then
that's how i say it in my head, if then every time
i learned w/ python so ig you probably learned w/c or similar
craggy reef
i learned w/ python so ig you probably learned w/c or similar
This is SAS. I know SAS and R
Know is a strong word
fast pagoda
they told it to us in the terms of if then
and then pythong doesnt use then
but it stuck
R is neat
is that jupyter
craggy reef
It's SAS studio online
fast pagoda
never used
craggy reef
SAS is not open source
fast pagoda
ive only ever seen R in jupyter and conda contexts
fast pagoda
rare draw
fast pagoda
ive only ever been around R from using jupyter for python dataset stuff
probably a common sentiment
wispy pike
why the hell does it remind me of something so much worse, the internet ruined industrial machinery for me forever
craggy reef
ive only ever been around R from using jupyter for python dataset stuff
R is a good language for statistics and can also serve as a really glorified calculator
fast pagoda
i wish i had the inclination for statistics
craggy reef
Wish I had an inclination for computer science
fast pagoda
easily my worst math subject in school
by the power of god and anime, turns out here we both are in the same place because that's how it is on this bitch of an earth
wispy pike
for me my least favorite math subject has to be probability, not because of its difficulty but because it's depressing
fast pagoda
i dont even remember why i hated stats so much
i wasn't inherently easy pz good at it that's probably why
i hate when that happens
glad path
math would be my favorite subject if it weren't for the fact that every fucking school I go to somehow manages to make me do straight review for the whole year
in the past five-ish years only one year was truly not review
leaden crest
prisma are you a bomb
your name seems to get longer every time I see you
also that’s so real
glad path
prisma are you a bomb
maybe
safe path
also just saw this https://x.com/anemll/status/2035901335984611412
makes me want to get an iphone just to see it working
when can i run a 300B model on my smartwatch 
leaden crest
run it on 500 lemons
mighty thorn
perfectly rendered drawing of morbo from futurama
Holy shit is that morbo
sage crag
when can i run a 300B model on my smartwatch <:SMILE:1173553648534568960>
vanor vanor, now that you arent purple can i interest you in
safe path
sage crag
safe path
i will evolve beyond color
safe path
what if, cheese color
leaden crest
did sam lose a triangle
hmm nvm
YOU MUST PARTICIAPTE
@safe path EVEN IF YOU DO NOT DESIRE THE BANANA ROLE
THE BANANA ROLE DESIRES YOU
sage crag
leaden crest
IT WILL CRAWL OVER YOU WITH ITS BANANA PEELS
sage crag
leaden crest
AND CONSUME YOU LIKE THE DELICIOUS HUMAN FLESH FRUIT YOU ARE
so are you in or not
I love this cult campaign man
safe path
oh look a bird
amber fractal
My avarage usage of claude
It doesn't want to function, I wonder why the unoffical linux port would be buggy 
glad path
AND CONSUME YOU LIKE THE DELICIOUS HUMAN FLESH FRUIT YOU ARE
ps aux | grep "bananna"
kill 84399
amber fractal
My avarage usage of claude
me also killing discord while running this
fast pagoda
also I got you https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1477687415660351559/148584...
rune & yellow theme h,
glass jetty
why electron if you have browser
glass jetty
banana
glass jetty
banana 🍌
signal trout
banana dog
glass jetty
split steppe
reasoning next level
bart simpson writing on the blackboard like
junior birch
fickle rain
https://sladge.net/
At last
amber fractal
Honestly was already considering adding something like this to one of my repos
So good to know it exists
I'll admit that one of the repos I'm experimenting with is vibecoded. The LLM repo I'm working on deserves it, though I'm also working on fixing up a slowdown manually.
I guess by proxy I get to work on one of my other projects
ivory plinth
banana?
olive sable
im not sure
ivory plinth
no, but merits for effort
maiden geyser
guess i have to be an anti-banana guerilla fighter now
sage crag
tender river
no, but merits for effort
good morning
olive sable
<:NeurOhISee:1136209034966483084> good morning
good morning
olive sable
sure
sage crag
secret
faint sandal
still can't find banana bread
proven merlin
I just spent an entire work day
Doing nothing but getting a old netgear nas
RND2000v2
256mb ram, 2x2tb .. back up and running
To then be blown away at its amazing speed of a whopping 10-18MB/s
Resilver runs at impressive 50MB/s if nothing else happens
Even RPi1's did better via usb sata adapters xD
sick owl
Why is claude opus so good
It has no right to be as good as it is in technical work relative to Gemini 3.1 Pro
nocturne olive
When you leak 40GB of memory and then fix the memory leak and rerun:
(typically idle mem use is around 40GB itself)
proven merlin
When you leak 40GB of memory and then fix the memory leak and rerun:
What? A developer fixing a memory leak instead of just slapping zram onto it? In this economy??
Also based btop
(but why the brail theme instead of blocks? Kinda curious)
nocturne olive
It's the default and I like how it looks
proven merlin
Fair enough
nocturne olive
What? A developer fixing a memory leak instead of just slapping zram onto it? In...
Well leaking memory literally crashed my many-hour training run so I gotta try to fix it
proven merlin
just slap more ram in it, and download some more (i hate this mentality)
((the only upside of the ram shortage))
ruby star
Oh, does the arm use IK?
sick owl
Oh, does the arm use IK?
Yup, since I don't have a leader arm to pair it with I rely on end effector control with a gamepad for teleoperation
ruby star
Yup, since I don't have a leader arm to pair it with I rely on end effector cont...
Damn that’s cool
acoustic trellis
I was playing a rogue like, “wizard of legend 2” and player 2 kept bugging out:
- character completely froze and you had to spam buttons to unfreeze it
- character animation freeze (imagine moving around at running speed while stuck in crouch)
- physics stopped applying ( boss fight than involved platforming player 2 could slide around in midair as if on ice without falling into the abyss, ignoring the need to platform)
What could cause this?
olive sable
fickle rain
sick owl
:NAHH: gemini said oof
ruby star
> I have to eat crow here.
Humble pie :P
rigid snow
They're breaking the street open infront of my house
this is like a yearly occurence here lmao
rigid snow
What? A developer fixing a memory leak instead of just slapping zram onto it? In...
the actual fix to a memory leak is to restart the process 
sage crag
the actual fix to a memory leak is to restart the process <:EvilClueless:1421784...
elixir
jagged turtle
the actual fix to a memory leak is to restart the process <:EvilClueless:1421784...
the discord way
young plover
(but why the brail theme instead of blocks? Kinda curious)
Doesn't the brail allow higher resolution graphs?
sick owl
Who was that guy that offered the neurons access to his H100 for fine tuning, is he still around
I could save a lot of money fine-tuning Pi0.5 if he is
obsidian mantle
latest windows update reminded me to back up my files again (i opted out 3 months ago)
and search bar is broken now
quartz scaffold
https://tenor.com/view/wataten-watashi-ni-tenshi-ga-maiorita-nom-nom-hana-food-g...
Hello
brisk laurel
Is this safe?
Im trying to fix my pc my WiFi is connected but it can't use the internet
rough bloom
Is this safe?
in theory it's safe as long as you obtained it from the Intel website
but I doubt what you describe is a driver issue
so it likely won't fix it 
brisk laurel
so it likely won't fix it <:neuroAYAYA:1059631593301491744>
So is the problem is my router itself?
rough bloom
Router or network config on the PC, yeah
brisk laurel
Router or network config on the PC, yeah
Ohhh
rough bloom
if you know your routers IP address you can try pinging it from the PC
brisk laurel
if you know your routers IP address you can try pinging it from the PC
How do i ping it
maiden geyser
How do i check the network config?
what is the problem exactly? "can't use the internet" as in?
silent island
Is this safe?
dw lizard, its safe safe, i hope... 
brisk laurel
what is the problem exactly? "can't use the internet" as in?
I have the no internet sign but im connected to my wifi
silent island
I have the no internet sign but im connected to my wifi
its da meme
brisk laurel
its da meme
Its an actual wifi but not mine
maiden geyser
I have the no internet sign but im connected to my wifi
win+r -> "cmd" -> "ipconfig" -> something gateway, copy that address into your browser
silent island
Its an actual wifi but not mine
Try restarting ur router 
Or just use a lan cable atp
maiden geyser
cables are ass to run if there are doors
brisk laurel
win+r -> "cmd" -> "ipconfig" -> something gateway, copy that address into your b...
ok now what
im on my pc but connected to my phone
maiden geyser
ok now what
default gateway should be your router's ip address if you're connected to it
warped narwhal
you need to go to it in the web browser
it's probably http://192.168.0.1 or http://192.168.1.1
maiden geyser
it will open an admin panel, the username and password should be admin admin
brisk laurel
you need to go to it in the web browser
Oh
warped narwhal
it will open an admin panel, the username and password should be admin admin
and if it isn't, it will be on the router your isp gave you
brisk laurel
maiden geyser
continue, it's a local connection
brisk laurel
Let me manually reset my router
I haven't turned it on or off yet
So i will so that
silent island
cables are ass to run if there are doors
Yep, my cable holder's falling apart lmao
maiden geyser
Yep, my cable holder's falling apart lmao
the black spot used to be slammed by the door
it's still slammed by another door in another spot
proven merlin
Doesn't the brail allow higher resolution graphs?
I think block looks higher resolution.. but idk, possible
proven merlin
the actual fix to a memory leak is to restart the process <:EvilClueless:1421784...
Discord mentality
olive sable
nocturne olive
I'm happy with my Nvidia 580 Linux driver
nocturne olive
have you played games with it tho?
I do in fact play games
olive sable
nocturne olive
Some of the more intensive ones include Subnautica and Satisfactory which like to make my GPU go all vacuum cleaner on me
olive sable
isnt the problem potat is having exclusive to 5000 series or soemthing?
@sick owl what gpu do you have?
nocturne olive
Well he has a 4090 no?
olive sable
i dont remember
sick owl
<@1113590687636656208> what gpu do you have?
4090
I'm not having any problems now, the hotfix driver sorted it
And I am not budging from it any time soon
olive sable
problem exclusive to 4000 series then?
sick owl
Yeah weak performance in Resident Evil Requiem, it was a 4000 series issue
The 5070ti was outperforming the 4090 in path tracing
olive sable
sick owl
Thankfully they put out a hotfix that sorted it, but it took them a week
nocturne olive
The 5070ti was outperforming the 4090 in path tracing
That's what Nvidia wants
But it's not what the hardware should be able to do
olive sable
just artificially make the 4090 worse and now the marketing is correct
kind nimbus
I'm happy with my Nvidia 580 Linux driver
I'm on 590 and gaming on it as well
LLMs also run fine
opaque sigil
595
kind nimbus
Driver Version: 590.48.01 CUDA Version: 13.1
oh, they made 595 the new stable release today
kind nimbus
lets see when that is gonna hit NixOS stable lol
gonna have to wait for 26.05 release
opaque sigil
yeah that'll take a while, unless they backport it for some reason
unless you just specify the exact driver version yourself of course
nocturne olive
Oh interesting
I have Nvidia 590 available by now
Eh, I won't bother installing that for now
silent cloak
atp i dont update my nvidia drivers unless im getting a bug
rough bloom
yeah that'll take a while, unless they backport it for some reason
yeah, looks like that's not usually backported
opaque sigil
i default to just updating whenever there's a new version cause they're still actively fixing a lot of wayland issues
silent cloak
wayland moment
opaque sigil
truly
amber fractal
I'm on latest on one system and will be doing 580 on another system as have cards that have dropped support
opaque sigil
i'd recommend 595 for anyone on kde plasma though cause of the new egl_wayland2 fixing the stupid fd leak
rough bloom
yeah, looks like that's not usually backported
though I think they could if they wanted to?
ABI doesn't really matter for Nixpkgs and I don't think the NVIDIA driver has a stable API that they could break compatibility with
silent cloak
i feel like wayland will be stable when ipv4 is replaced with ipv6
opaque sigil
though I think they could if they wanted to?
ABI doesn't really matter for Nixpk...
i wanna say they've backported the nvidia driver before but idk if that was just due to build issues
rough bloom
i default to just updating whenever there's a new version cause they're still ac...
don't care and just let NixOS stable handle it
silent cloak
nocturne olive
Meanwhile me, an Xorg user
silent cloak
Meanwhile me, an Xorg user
rough bloom
i wanna say they've backported the nvidia driver before but idk if that was just...
looks like there was a patch for Linux 6.12 backported, but not the whole version
not surprising since NVIDIA is out-of-tree, has issues like this all the time
opaque sigil
nocturne olive
I have kernel 6.17 available to me now, is it worth installing at all?
opaque sigil
don't care and just let NixOS stable handle it <:neuroWicked:1071825747150393516...
i went back to stable but then glibc updated and i didn't wanna give up my editors from unstable so i switched again 
probably, idk
there's a bazillion little changes
rough bloom
nocturne olive
I have kernel 6.17 available to me now, is it worth installing at all?
Currently on 6.14 which is now stated as EOL
maiden geyser
meme about x11 with no screen tearing joke
nocturne olive
I see no screen tearing here
opaque sigil
I have kernel 6.17 available to me now, is it worth installing at all?
may as well wait a little longer and just install 6.18 lts
nocturne olive
I doubt I'll ever get 6.18, it'll probably jump to 7.x next (this is an APT distro, Linux Mint to be specific)
silent cloak
>meme about x11 with no screen tearing joke
rough bloom
I have kernel 6.17 available to me now, is it worth installing at all?
did you mess with manually installing a specific kernel version at all
nocturne olive
No
opaque sigil
mint is based on ubuntu lts right
nocturne olive
Oh wait you meant picking a kernel from the list? I changed it from 6.8 to 6.14
rough bloom
what list
nocturne olive
The kernels list?
amber fractal
The reason I didn't stay on i3, I didn't want tearing across the entire window manager and all of the compositing is kinda jank
nocturne olive
The kernels list
opaque sigil
looks like ubuntu 26.04 is going to use linux 7
rough bloom
if it's anything like Ubuntu there should be several "branches" of kernels for different purposes hardware
nocturne olive
The kernels list
This is the kernel picker, it does exactly what it sounds like it does, picks kernels
nocturne olive
Hem?
amber fractal
I'm of the opinion of yoloing a the latest kernel, but I'm at least on nix so I can roll back
opaque sigil
i'm that guy running the latest kernel combined with the latest nvidia driver
amber fractal
now the amount of times I actually update my system is something else entirely
opaque sigil
(it doesn't actually break as often as I expected)
nocturne olive
I like when my stuff just doesn't break at all
amber fractal
I expect a small amount of breakage, it happens when I'm naturally trying to do so much.
kind nimbus
Recently tried Nvidia on Wayland again after hearing it has matured a lot
well it's an absolute shitshow
not usable
rough bloom
Recently tried Nvidia on Wayland again after hearing it has matured a lot
well ...
what did you try
rough bloom
because it was "usable" on Wayland years ago already
opaque sigil
i'm curious though
rough bloom
it was horrible when they were still EGLStream-only but they fixed that a long time ago
trim valve
I've already ranted about it before but x makes my mouse move funny and for that reason I can't stand it
kind nimbus
<:NeurOhISee:1136209034966483084> what did you try
tried to run KDE on Wayland directly on Nvidia as my primary card to see how good it runs
the result was lags like hell. Kwin ran super slow and it was just annoying.
olive sable
Recently tried Nvidia on Wayland again after hearing it has matured a lot
well ...
works for me 
kind nimbus
not sure
olive sable
ye you have something misconfigured, idk
amber fractal
There was a nvidia KDE bugfix earlier that this convo stemed from
olive sable
jsut out of curiousity, what specific nvidia gpu u using?
kind nimbus
all i changed was the gpu config
opaque sigil
kde plasma + wayland + nvidia is a bit of a brittle combo sometimes tbf
kind nimbus
jsut out of curiousity, what specific nvidia gpu u using?
RTX 5070Ti Laptop
disabled Intel Xe iGPU and tried to go with Nvidia only
kind nimbus
i fixed the power management issues
but i recently saw an open issue on nixpkgs about GSP lol
opaque sigil
wonder if this is a prime being super fucky thing
kind nimbus
i had prime disabled to test nvidia only
i also set the MUX switch in the bios to dGPU only
olive sable
amber fractal
Only time I was disabling the igpu was due to trying to get VR streaming to work. I respect the testing though
However I do just recommend the offload method
lean bluff
reasoning next level
lol
kind nimbus
i had some really bad hard freeze issues and i was suspecting the intel xe driver
olive sable
the intel xe driver is ass for my laptop too lol
kind nimbus
i am getting these issues in my dmesg and journalctl over and over again as well as kwin errors
[38188.338579] xe 0000:00:02.0: [drm] PHY A failed to request refclk
[38804.728436] xe 0000:00:02.0: [drm] PHY A failed to request refclk
kind nimbus
hate it
rough bloom
the intel xe driver is ass for my laptop too lol
out of curiosity, do you mean the xe or the i915 driver
because the xe driver still isn't in a great state AFAIK
olive sable
i have no clue lmao
kind nimbus
fun fact when i change to i915 everything runs much much worse
rough bloom
opaque sigil
i wonder if it for some reason used mesa for the gpu
olive sable
out of curiosity, do you mean the `xe` or the `i915` driver
because the `xe` dri...
its an intel 12500h, and a 3050m
dont ask me the specific naming
opaque sigil
idk if nouveau supports blackwell in 25.11
sure hope it does
i remember when i tried the installer last year there was no support yet so everything ended up software rendered
rough bloom
its an intel 12500h, and a 3050m
dont ask me the specific naming
you were using i915 
olive sable
the issues i was having was related to switching between dedicated and integrated graphics causing bluescreens, turning off the connected hdmi device causing blue screens, some driver reading protected ram or osmething causing bluescreens, and such
lots of bluescreens basically
rough bloom
Windows
olive sable
probably
rough bloom
then ignore the i915 thing 
that's Linux-only
opaque sigil
idk if nouveau supports blackwell in 25.11
it's at 25.2.6 and they added support in 25.2 apparently
olive sable
the issues i was having was related to switching between dedicated and integrate...
im averaging like a bluescreen per 2 weeks or so
maybe ram issue actually, i should do a memtest
kind nimbus
maybe ram issue actually, i should do a memtest
Or switch to Linux and watch if you get any Kernel panics 
kind nimbus
oh that must suck
silent cloak
Recently tried Nvidia on Wayland again after hearing it has matured a lot
well ...
Classic
olive sable
and i also need h264 support for davinci resolve
olive sable
even if its 99% efficient, its not worth the hastle
opaque sigil
that reminds me, i've been meaning to check nixpkgs for a winboat fix hopefully
for some reason it tries to build a weird mingw go version now
rough bloom
a real WinBoat user in the wild? 
opaque sigil
the ms office web apps are so garbage i ended up installing the desktop apps through it
rough bloom
even if its 99% efficient, its not worth the hastle
kind nimbus
for some reason it tries to build a weird mingw go version now <:FOCUS:116826714...
Lol
Is WinBoat good? Never gave it a try
opaque sigil
it tries to cross-compile for x86_64-w64-mingw32 and fails
works pretty well, though opening "just" the apps is broken for me so i just open the full desktop
fast pagoda
silk tulip
im working on a ai voice model for tts, does anyone have any tips or recommendations of what i should do? i havent done something like this before so any help is appreciated
safe path
"hi claude code, what is the time now"
thinks for 15 minutes
"it's currently Janurary 1st, 1970"
opaque sigil
https://fixupx.com/Bhavani_00007/status/2036430903208218994/
<a:NAHH:1411938940...
not using opus 4.6 fast mode, what's the point
olive sable
"hi claude code, what is the time now"
_thinks for 15 minutes_
"it's currently J...
vanorsigma spotted
leaden crest
why’s the neuro stream “slightly experimental”
is vedal testing smth or is it just named that way
wispy pike
been wondering that too
timber dagger
does anyone know anyone ever using Matlab app feature?
i just need to know how much effort I should put in this, it feels so useless
proven merlin
Now if we add xlibre as the next step up its peak
silent cloak
lel
proven merlin
Like, theyre doing things.. sometimes badly sure but like, massive.
Considering switching to artix for a while now but idk
I think ill hang around on arch until kde aint offering x11 anymore and then go to MATE and enjoy my extra 3GB of free ram
nocturne olive
I have no idea if my distro will ever switch onto XLibre
Though if it's better than Xorg it would be peak
proven merlin
(mate is amazing ram wise.. 300mb for a fully booted, hassle free system is neat
nocturne olive
KDE is planning to remove Xorg in 6.8 if I remember right
proven merlin
I have no idea if my distro will ever switch onto XLibre
Though if it's better t...
Many distros distance from xlibre either because "politics and coc issues".. which for open software imo is nonsense, offer the user choice god damn. Or they dont because redhat has their fingers in the funding or something idfk
proven merlin
KDE is planning to remove Xorg in 6.8 if I remember right
6.8? I thought 6.9
But possible
nocturne olive
proven merlin
What distro u running superbox?
proven merlin
Ahh cool cool
high brook
Wayland on Nvidia more or less just works rn. Its just a few edge cases from What I gather. Im using kde Wayland myself
proven merlin
Linux Mint
Mint standart i think will keep x11 or xlibre, because of legacy support. But idk, they usually are fine but some choices are stupid
nocturne olive
Well I hope they keep it, because Neurolings just does not work on Wayland
And I also like remote desktop
high brook
The mint team is working on Wayland, but it'll be awhile
proven merlin
Wayland on Nvidia more or less just works rn. Its just a few edge cases from Wha...
I get told that many times but i have had nothing but workflow issues with wayland.. this could be a skill issue but i kinda doubt
nocturne olive
For me Wayland is literally unusable and lacks basic features software I'm participating in developing will require from the windowing system
proven merlin
Well I hope they keep it, because Neurolings just does not work on Wayland
Yea shimejis are like.. borderline viruses(of the PUP type) and super niche so understandable
nocturne olive
Shimes are peak though
high brook
Been using it exclusively for about a year without isdyes
proven merlin
Shimes are peak though
Absolutely
nocturne olive
Hard-requirement, if your windowing system can't handle Neurolings it's already failed
proven merlin
Been using it exclusively for about a year without isdyes
For a average user i bet it can work, but anything advanced or cool (patching around issues and shit) just doesn't work on wayland.. its against the nature of it
Yes the x11 software suite is ass and many things should be better
But god damn it, dont drop the entire desktop stack just because youre lazy to fix the protocol
Fix the damn protocol
Theyre adding hdr to xlibre atm iirc
nocturne olive
I even saw that they were planning an X12 before they just decided to redo everything from scratch
high brook
X was use cases Wayland will never cover by design, but it doesn't deserve the hate it gets. Though most of its issues are br uase of gnome
nocturne olive
GNOME should be deleted from existence and kicked out the Wayland board
high brook
A lot of the missing dhit is because of gnome saying no
proven merlin
I even saw that they *were* planning an X12 before they just decided to redo eve...
Im still convinced big redhat and such are paying people to just force wayland and control user choice, because dropping user choice is such a corpo thing, not a linux thing..
Buut thats a theory nothing more
nocturne olive
GNOME should be deleted from existence and kicked out the Wayland board
They don't deserve any power in ruining everyone's lives
proven merlin
GNOME should be deleted from existence and kicked out the Wayland board
Yes, we already have MATE to replace it
nocturne olive
Wayland is way worse from the PoV of a software developer too
Like practically no support for global keybinds (imagine if you needed to click in your autoclicker window to activate it !!)
And the whole window positioning APIs being lacking resulting in stuff like Neurolings window interactions just being impossible, and can't do cool stuff for a little game that would really like to move some windows
Also the whole permissions nonsense preventing basic features like remoting into a system remotely because there's a local popup to confirm if you want to allow the remote connection !!
proven merlin
Wayland is way worse from the PoV of a software developer too
Like practically n...
Like, id understand if it was like with a control panel to allow specific things to apps.. kinda like flatpak.. (i still don't like flatpak, appimage better, pacman best)
nocturne olive
Yeah Flatpak is annoying, Flatpak Discord just doesn't work with copy paste file uploads
high brook
Pacman plus the ABS/AUR
proven merlin
Also the whole permissions nonsense preventing basic features like remoting into...
DONT GET ME STARTED. GOD. I needed to setup remote desktop on a rpi, i had to drop back go old driver just to get TeamViewer and anydesk and rustdesk working.. a while ago i tried to get rdp working on wayland. Litterally impossible
proven merlin
I use APT and AppImage/equivalents
APT is also based, apk is too, but apt suffers of many repos just being absolutely tiny (try using debian without importing any external repos lmao)
high brook
Its works just needs a login of some kind. Wishntheyd allow for gpg sign keys at least.....
proven merlin
Its works just needs a login of some kind. Wishntheyd allow for gpg sign keys at...
TV, AD, RD all just dont work. Login works, screen capture crashes, or something the connection drops even before or the app doesn't launch, not even in a xwayland box. TV kiiinda works but like.. closed source of the subscription kind
rdp i tried everything i found online and I didn't get it to run.. if you could make a good guide PLEASE do.
high brook
Ive never had any of those issues. So as per normal on linux YMMV
proven merlin
I need to deal with this at work sometimes
proven merlin
Ive never had any of those issues. So as per normal on linux YMMV
We love "idk, works on my machine" xD but yea..
high brook
Lmaooo
nocturne olive
One of the bad things about Wayland for developers is that there's just so many compositors
It's impossible to support Wayland generally because you need to basically implement separate support for every single DE
On X11 there's Xorg and Xlibre and that's it
proven merlin
One of the bad things about Wayland for developers is that there's just so many ...
No way ..
high brook
Ove nwen arguing with a dev about there use of conda because conda is just broken on my pc for some reason. It installs and run shit, but I always hit a corner case I dont hit with venvs
nocturne olive
The Wayland makes the "works on my machine" problem just significantly worse because a different compositor may break an app entirely
proven merlin
On X11 there's Xorg and Xlibre and that's it
(well, the x protocol.. apps usually dont care about if its x11 or xlibre unless theyre xlibre aware (or ig badly xlibre only..))
nocturne olive
Yeah
Xorg and Xlibre basically work interchangably, which isn't the case between all Wayland compositors
high brook
The thing about x is that it only has one reference implementation. Wayland doesn't.
proven merlin
Xorg and Xlibre basically work interchangably, which isn't the case between all ...
Only thing was drivers or something but even those i think have been fixed?
proven merlin
The thing about x is that it only has one reference implementation. Wayland doe...
What?
nocturne olive
On Xorg, an app that works in one place probably works in another place
If you go to Wayland though, something made for KDE may break on GNOME
proven merlin
X11 and xlibre-?
proven merlin
The thing about x is that it only has one reference implementation. Wayland doe...
But also, ig valid, but same goes for rust.. but thats a whoooole different shitshow
high brook
Xlibre is just an antiwoke fork thays not being considered by any major distro
proven merlin
Xlibre is just an antiwoke fork thays not being considered by any major distro
Not really. Theyre actually improving x protocol
Like said, adding hdr support and other things that were considered "Impossible"
high brook
Dude running it got kicked out for introducing regression and breaking shot and refusing to fix anything
proven merlin
Dude running it got kicked out for introducing regression and breaking shot and ...
I mean, a master Branch isnt a stable branch
But yea the dude had a rough start, no doubts
high brook
Fr9m what I gather it was less his code and him just being an ass
Dude was just actively hostile to everyone
proven merlin
From what i know he merged without testing, which was the main issue
Being toxic i Personally dont care, aslong as the damn code is good lol
Seperate the art from the artist or something
(this ofcourse includes no payment and ensuring that the art is actually good
high brook
That was one of the things he was actively hostile about. He just refused to do it, and was an ass to anyone telling him that
proven merlin
Possible, didnt follow too much, mainly got to see the advancements
olive sable
soldering hurts, i keep burning myself 
i should get some clamps on arms to hold stuff in place
high brook
Bruh
proven merlin
How are you burning yourself-
proven merlin
Grab a paper towel and put the piece on it- and dont grip the iron at the edge, go further back-
And also keep cold water there to quickly run it over your fingers when you burn yourself
The faster you do the less the pain is obv
Also grab like tweezers so u dont hold the piece of metal that youre trying to heat up
And dont go to 500C, 290-390C usually is enough
olive sable
this thing only goes to 230 lol
olive sable
its tin
proven merlin
And 230 celcius ofc, right?
olive sable
idk
proven merlin
its tin
Well yes, there is leaded and unleaded solder-tin or whatever
Should be on its label
(and then there is rosin core (hollow inside, has flux in it) and just solid tin)
proven merlin
Yeah that explains why you're struggling so bad
olive sable
getting it to melt is not an issue at all
proven merlin
Do you have a temperature settable soldering iron?
olive sable
the issue is not having 3 hands
olive sable
Do you have a temperature settable soldering iron?
nope
jsu tplug into the wall directly, 15W
proven merlin
Oh so like a plug in and go
proven merlin
the issue is not having 3 hands
Fair fair
Then yea, table, and tweezers or simmilar
Or a third hand claw thingy but theyre troublesome too
I assume you know, but add a bit of a solder blob onto your iron tip before you try to solder, it conducts heat much better that way
olive sable
ye
proven merlin
Id personally invest at some point into rosin core tin (or external flux, its sooo much easier) and perhaps a settable temp iron
olive sable
the most annoying part is im doing small electronics, and the flux has a big brush. so i immediatly put way too much onto it
olive sable
Id personally invest at some point into rosin core tin (or external flux, its so...
this was 30 bucks for the soldering iron, the flux, and the tin. im going for cheap rn
proven merlin
the most annoying part is im doing small electronics, and the flux has a big bru...
Oh you have flux in a brush type.. i got a syringe
proven merlin
this was 30 bucks for the soldering iron, the flux, and the tin. im going for ch...
Cheap and small stuff, the darksouls of soldering
Gl
proven merlin
I tried soldering a nand smd package once
Like a smd dip8
With my 1980's soldering iron indistrial from wella
Its a paaainn
Luckly flux is magic
high brook
Lol it seems superbox and I are both cursed when I comes to python lmao
high brook
SIR PUT DOWN THE BUCKET OF GLAZE
proven merlin
Lmao
high brook
I actually love python. I just hate Conda
nocturne olive
I HATE Python
leaden crest
must be time to refactor the neurosynth codebase to typescript then
proven merlin
I actually love python. I just hate Conda
I never bothered getting into conda, i just recently started using venv .. before i syswide everything and yes i write Python very C styled.
proven merlin
must be time to refactor the neurosynth codebase to typescript then
I ban you To the backrooms
high brook
Conda complicates shit too much. Its only advantage is it allows easy installing of parallel python versions
proven merlin
Theyre like smaller python embedded installs
Conda is just a Python embedded wrapper
I think
opaque sigil
obligatory uv reminder
fickle rain
I have to use Conda for a thing cuz Sagemath
high brook
I hate conda. Its pure Satan
amber fractal
I can't say anything on this one as just using nix as a layer above
proven merlin
obligatory uv reminder
-> when the toolchain is so cooked you make a second one
fickle rain
Ain’t building that shit from src
high brook
Pipx is a godsend though
proven merlin
Tf is pipx?
amber fractal
I have only heard about it as a windows app install method
high brook
Pipx allows you to install any python program with a self-contained venv automatically
proven merlin
So like
opaque sigil
uvx my beloved
leaden crest
proven merlin
A packagemanager
proven merlin
A packagemanager
Winget, but.. python, and probably a lot more issues
high brook
Pip is package manager. Pipx takes thst and shoves it into a venv gor you
proven merlin
Cough, cough, triton.. cough triton-windows
proven merlin
Pip is package manager. Pipx takes thst and shoves it into a venv gor you
Cant you just.. active venv and call pip?
high brook
Uv isnt bad. I just haven't used it much
fickle rain
UV is faster which is nice
high brook
Cant you just.. active venv and call pip?
Yes. For bespoke installs I do that. But for system wide applications I prefer pipx
proven merlin
Ah ig
high brook
Like cli stuff
proven merlin
Idk havent had to do system wide Python stuff yet
Seems like a mess.. id rather alias a activation script
high brook
Im a linux user that run arch. Cli is my fren
proven merlin
I also use arch normally
Rn i main Windows 10 because Windows 95 Development Fixation rn but yea
proven merlin
Pipx handles the aliasing and oathing too
I mean if id start from scratch, sure ig.. rn it seems to me useless to learn it when i already know the linux native methods
high brook
Like i said most suff I just write a launcher wrapper that activates the venv. I only use it for cli sthit I was systemwide