guess which country the ip is in
#programming
rigid snow
split steppe
27b too slow for me, i'm cpu-only with ddr 4
but also i'm messing with system prompts to get it to adopt different answer strategies based on context
rigid snow
0.16tps is craaazy
fast pagoda
i gotta see how bad cpu llama is now
rigid snow
or maybe convo
625/9.16=~68
split steppe
oh lol 625 token response
it thunk for a while for naught
fast pagoda
thinking ruins style unless it's a big boy model
i've found
thinking traces arent meant to be stylized and it fucks them up and then the model can't remain coherent enough to do the right style when it finishes
sick owl
27b too slow for me, i'm cpu-only with ddr 4
Oh damn yeah I just saw your t/s
At that point I'd just run a cloud instance ngl
split steppe
i aint paying for that shit 😛
fast pagoda
cpu 27b is super slow
and aggressive
split steppe
solarwinds be like
nocturne olive
Why not Linux?
rigid snow
because linux doesn't force updates on you duh
split steppe
thinking traces arent meant to be stylized and it fucks them up and then the mod...
hmm, well they're kind of fucked for qwen anyway, it can spend wasting 4000 tokens on a greeting. maybe it's better on the massive models but i work with what i got
qwen meme
(not mine)
fast pagoda
lmao
frank fjord
hmm, well they're kind of fucked for qwen anyway, it can spend wasting 4000 toke...
peak overthinking and then returning one sentence
split steppe
0.8 is ass, idk why even bother with that
rigid snow
it's not llama3-1b ass
fast pagoda
Why not Linux?
I saw Linus Torvalds at a grocery store in Helsinki yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn't want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, "Oh, like you're doing now?" I was taken aback, and all I could say was "Huh?" but he kept cutting me off and going "huh? huh? huh?" and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen mass-market USB WiFi dongles in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like "Sir, you need to pay for those first." At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the dongles and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually "to prevent any kernel-level race conditions on the barcode subsystem," and then turned around and winked at me. I don't even think that's a thing. After she scanned each one and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by loudly calling NVIDIA's driver team a bunch of unprintable words.
fast pagoda
that's where the copypasta dictates
rigid snow
i know but why not replace
fast pagoda
you think i got brain cells to spare
rigid snow
linus in la doesn't make a whole lot of sense
split steppe
linus tech tips
fast pagoda
i ahve fixed it
rigid snow
thank
fast pagoda
rigid snow
thanking
rigid snow
yeah
olive sable
"mr linux" 
minor sail
apparently linux tarballs lives in fuckin oregon
Yeah, outside of portland!
I used to live in portland, and OSU is nearby and they do linux stuffs
minor sail
:V
fast pagoda
hate those fuckers
as everyone from michigan is legally required to
lol
he has a crush on torvalds i guess
best conversation namer
mighty thorn
fast pagoda
in this case because he was starstruck
part of it is that i deliberately keep a lot of very short pairs in the training examples to keep his overall response length down
some of the examples are like
"lol"
very quality
it helps vary the length though, never know if he's about to yap or just give you like 1 word
alongside that
have you seen how i type
^ training data
fast pagoda
Overall yes but I submit messages every couple words more often than not
Like that previous message would not be all 1 example it's 10
Lol
Well, I shouldn't say that universally
There's about a million ,examples in the set now that get chosen from of all sorts
So it's pretty easy to just increase the average length if he's too short and vice versa
Sequence length also affects it still
sick owl
Why not Linux?
Don't wanna drop down a hardware tiers worth of performance for gaming and don't wanna buy a second SSD for dual booting
My other devices all run linux but not my main PC
nocturne olive
I don't think the performance in most games would really suffer, mostly it'd just get better
sick owl
I don't think the performance in most games would really suffer, mostly it'd jus...
On AMD that would be the case but I drive a 4090
nocturne olive
It's better than dealing with whatever Microslop is doing
split steppe
yo
fast pagoda
fast pagoda
On AMD that would be the case but I drive a 4090
wait for copilot to get his hands on dx12 once xbawks division gets consoomed for training data and money
but yeah ive seen it's like
sick owl
Gathering training data for the arm rn btw
olive sable
rtx 3080 turbo for 245 refurbsihed 
fast pagoda
what the hell is a 3080 turbo
olive sable
blower style
fast pagoda
oh it's just a gigabyte model
olive sable
no its asus
sick owl
what the hell is a 3080 turbo
Its a 3080 with racing lines 
fast pagoda
olive sable
blower fan is more noisy
fast pagoda
Its a 3080 with racing lines <:neuroWicked:1071825747150393516>
use the llm version of it and it's just worse but cheaper
fast pagoda
blower fan is more noisy
tell me about it, that's what my card is
and this thing gets so fuckking loud
olive sable
but thats why its only 245
fast pagoda
and not imminently about to explode
fast pagoda
It just is more able to be slammed next to other cards
And not suffer as badly
So you can put 3 of them on top of each other with no space and they won't instantly lose half their cooling ability
Since they'll just draw air through the card lengthwise
And exhaust it out instead of back into another card
olive sable
cheapest normal 3080 is 300
olive sable
so 55 bucks more expensive
fast pagoda
they fucked the 3080 so fuckin hard with 10gb it's actually insane
olive sable
there are other turbo 3080s on here, maybe i can find a cheap one that isnt refurbished/about to explode
fast pagoda
even 16gb would've been perfectly fine
olive sable
eh, 280
fast pagoda
12gb was somewhat better but not enough for the 3080 ti
true hemlock
they fucked the 3080 so fuckin hard with 10gb it's actually insane
literally worst vram per compute ratio
even worse than 5060Ti 8gb
fast pagoda
it's so ass
olive sable
i dont need much vam
fast pagoda
it's sooo ass
olive sable
otherwise i would keep the 2nd 3090
true hemlock
then i suppose $300 is fine
fast pagoda
in any category i promise you will be severely disappointed going from a 3090 to a 3080
true hemlock
just that personally i would only pay $240 for a 3080
true hemlock
that's alright
fast pagoda
for gaming that's basicaly what this card is
and it works well
not that i do a lot of gaming with it
olive sable
im selling superbox the 3090
olive sable
and the idea is to use that moeny to get a card that has better raster, or jsut get a good deal
olive sable
fro that scammer
nah
olive sable
itrs fine, i paid for it with money from social security
fast pagoda
ill come to europe
beat him up side the head with this 3080
it'd probably be decent for that at leastr
olive sable
"peter" supposedly
fast pagoda
olive sable
but according to the bank its actually K.A.C Petrariu
fast pagoda
Petrariu
split steppe
must be foreign
olive sable
ye
olive sable
the guy sounded dutch, but the bank account must belong to a foreign guy
fast pagoda
my dumbass over here like "but dutch is foregin????"
proven merlin
True, but have fun Downloading via 100MBit (cries in DSL).. i usually run Q5 K XL from unsloth, or Q4.. at usually somewhere from 12-30t/s on my 2060 laptop
split steppe
True, but have fun Downloading via 100MBit (cries in DSL).. i usually run Q5 K X...
leave it overnight 😛
fast pagoda
rigid snow
my dumbass over here like "but dutch is foregin????"
not in belgium in particular
fast pagoda
fast pagoda
me when the test is too hard
proven merlin
leave it overnight 😛
If only i could.. Connection dropouts + router reboot + family turns Off Internet over night
amber fractal
Every time I see this I immediately see the quality of the photo but have to remind myself it is more funny this way
fast pagoda
it has to be thus
split steppe
me when the test is too hard
the budget thing is a newish llama feature, i'm taking its cortex to the chopping block there
olive sable
hey guys. how would one make someone get a 428 euro bill by using their phone number?
amber fractal
the random blocks from the image editing have to stay
olive sable
hey guys. how would one make someone get a 428 euro bill by using their phone nu...
asking for a friend
proven merlin
>TURNS OFF INTERNET OVERNIGHT
Ofcourse for everyone, not just the router, clearly
rigid snow
split steppe
hey guys. how would one make someone get a 428 euro bill by using their phone nu...
be danish and use mobilepay. or paypal
paypal iirc sometime ago added a phone number payment thing
olive sable
i wnat to make them lose money, not give them money
amber fractal
the main problem is that the target ain't paying willingly
olive sable
fast pagoda
back in like 2005 my mom didnt turn off mobile billing on her old phone so i charged like $300 of dark orbit credits to her verizon bill
split steppe
i wnat to make them lose money, not give them money
ah, curl up and cry i guess
fast pagoda
i got in so mcuh goddamn trouble for that
amber fractal
they will pay somehow
proven merlin
i got in so mcuh goddamn trouble for that
Should have bought ram to make it worth it
split steppe
i wnat to make them lose money, not give them money
how did you lose that money?
split steppe
bank transaction or cc?
olive sable
bank
split steppe
how long ago?
fast pagoda
still got my goliath
olive sable
a week or 2 ago, i dont exactly remember
split steppe
you're probably screwed but you could go cry to the bank
amber fractal
honestly worth a shot
fast pagoda
i remember someone asking why use credit cards for like all transactions like we tend to in the US
and this is why
olive sable
i already did
split steppe
they sometimes reverse scam transactions, if they're nice
olive sable
they said go to the police
olive sable
and police said i would just end up losing more than id get back with legal stuff
fast pagoda
what kinda dumbass response is that
split steppe
you could put their phone number into a bunch of random services
olive sable
split steppe
sign up to onlyfans, all notifications on, smth
fast pagoda
"we dontr wanna do our jobs... uhhh well uhh... you might have to pay money for ????????????? to get your money back"
amber fractal
"HandOverMy3090MoneyBitch"
olive sable
posting a phone number is illegal cuz of doxxing, but using it to sign up for callservices shouldn't be?
fast pagoda
fk da police bro
split steppe
what else, put their account number in kiwifarms
fast pagoda
posting a phone number is illegal cuz of doxxing, but using it to sign up for ca...
I L L E G A L
split steppe
why cant i post the pregnant man emoji 🙁
amber fractal
I actually have a better idea
fast pagoda
we live in a society
amber fractal
send their number to rentahuman
olive sable
posting a phone number is illegal cuz of doxxing, but using it to sign up for ca...
its considered identity fraud
split steppe
sign up for mechanical turk
amber fractal
split steppe
set up openclaw
jarvis, root his phone remotely
fast pagoda
suddenly some crazy ai named cock Petrariu is ghoing around posting his phone number on the internet's bathroom walls
call 4 a good time
split steppe
@rigid snow did your ai rooting work btw
rigid snow
not yet
fast pagoda
its considered identity fraud
why are we concerned that this fool will try to get you charged with id fraud
rigid snow
fast pagoda
he would need to reveal himself for that
olive sable
TRUE
split steppe
<:neuroCopium:1148961333597962260>
keep us updated, i'm suuuuuuuure it'll work out 😛
fast pagoda
criminals are less likely to report if they are getting crimed
rigid snow
i'm setting up a better way for it to find info/keep track of cves
split steppe
<a:thinkge:834162718663507988> criminals are less likely to report if they are g...
hello officer, could you test whether this coke is pure for me?
rigid snow
i'm setting up a better way for it to find info/keep track of cves
because it's starting to drown itself in its own documentation and i'm feeling context rot creeping in
it's dumber
split steppe
because it's starting to drown itself in its own documentation and i'm feeling c...
small brain llm, didn't claude do regular context compression?
amber fractal
The gameplan is simple, set up openclaw to spam make accounts to the number with a burner email with the message, and then set up email forwarding to phone
split steppe
whichever thing you were using 😛
fast pagoda
small brain llm, didn't claude do regular context compression?
claude code does it but it calls haiku to do it
wouldnt be bad to set up tho
rigid snow
also codex's implementation is way way better
olive sable
the problem is that the phone number might aswell have been a burner
rigid snow
context compression sucks
well the way claude does it
or any tool that relies on an llm to summarize
amber fractal
I really feel like there has to be a better way.
fast pagoda
there is
amber fractal
then again that is something I'm dealing with in my repo as well
fast pagoda
it's harder than "summarize pls, dumbass small model with no idea what's going on, thanks"
split steppe
anything is a better way tbh, llms are still incredibly primitive
rigid snow
The compaction system is what makes multi-hour coding sessions possible. Previously, developers handled this with ad-hoc summarization, asking the model to condense the conversation so far and using that summary going forward. Results varied.
OpenAI's implementation works differently. When the context window fills up, you call the /responses/compact endpoint. The model generates a compressed representation of the conversation, but rather than a human-readable summary, it's a structured item you pass back into future requests. The model trained to understand these compaction items, so it can reconstruct relevant context from them.
codex
split steppe
i think the whole context thing is a self inflicted problem of still using a decade old paradigm
fast pagoda
there's no way around it currently
for all intents and purposes, the context is the agent
in that session
and it cant be infinite because of attention being waht it is
split steppe
i'm waiting until we come back to stateful hybrid symbolic models
rigid snow
keep us updated, i'm suuuuuuuure it'll work out 😛
thing is, it would've almost certainly worked out if it wasn't this particular phone but, say, a samsung from that era
fast pagoda
wwhat phone is it
rigid snow
pixel 3
fast pagoda
ah
split steppe
thing is, it would've almost certainly worked out if it wasn't this particular p...
if it wasn't your phone you could have just gone to XDA and be done in 5m
fast pagoda
pixel 3 doesnt have a default bootloader unlock?
ive had a bunch of pixels since pixel 1
split steppe
verizon just locks your junk and throws the key into the sea
rigid snow
if it wasn't your phone you could have just gone to XDA and be done in 5m
not if the cve is 10 days old
rigid snow
pixel 3 doesnt have a default bootloader unlock?
it does but i can't and what's the fun in that anyway
split steppe
you want to mount an attack against a tpm which, even if there's a known vulnerability in it, is a stretch
bruh i'm buggin out like an llm, i need sleep
rigid snow
there is an oob write vuln that requires you send it commands through spi
the titan m
rigid snow
there is an oob write vuln that requires you send it commands through spi
so either root, or desoldering/tapping spi
split steppe
yeah and you would still need to write to the right place and not actually brick the device, the tpm has more important stuff in it
well you actually would need to read from it, because you want the bootloader decryption key, assuming it's symmetric
amber fractal
I feel like OpenAIs method can be improved
fast pagoda
man ive been a good little alphabet boy over the years
split steppe
or to be able to trick the tpm into encrypting something for you
rigid snow
well you actually would need to read from it, because you want the bootloader de...
fw is open source and there is a veeery detailed writeup. oh and a public poc where they straight up read secrets
only requirements are the vulnerable fw which i have and root
olive sable
man ive been a good little alphabet boy over the years
why dont they ever use the alphabet to name htings?
A, B, C
split steppe
it being opensource doesn't mean anything, it's signature validation or decryption
fast pagoda
extreme regret from having renamed themselves to fucking alphabet for some reason
split steppe
if you mess up the key or the bootloader, and so on, you brick it
rigid snow
it being opensource doesn't mean anything, it's signature validation or decrypti...
fw is open source as in i'm not shooting in the dark
olive sable
if you mess up the key or the bootloader, and so on, you brick it
if ADB is enabled you're not completely fucked
split steppe
yeah i mean, it's irrelevant, your problem is the boot process cryptography
rigid snow
if ADB is enabled you're not completely fucked
you are, it's the tpm, if you leave its flash storage in a broken state
fast pagoda
god's most powerful cryptography vs me:
rigid snow
it won't boot
split steppe
you probably wouldn't even be able to reset it if you mess up the tpm state
rigid snow
lol what
split steppe
tpm by definition is untouchable externally
well, other than just physically wiring directly to the chip
split steppe
or is that only a feature of the pi
he's cracking a pixel 3
fast pagoda
i bricked his moto g twice but they were just softbricks
split steppe
different ballgame
rigid snow
oh also an update on the zygote injection, it doesn't actually brick it or bootloop it
it appears to but boots enough to get adb shell
fast pagoda
i forgot about wolfram
rigid snow
and you can clear the setting from there
fast pagoda
AGI
split steppe
adb is fairly early in the process, although it gets different privileges depending what stage it's at iirc
good that it can clear the flag atleast
rigid snow
the shell most definitely doesn't
amber fractal
Way too late to mention 
but I could see someone emulating Codex's method by juggling KV Caches and pulling from each.
fast pagoda
rigid snow
give me a hammer i bet i could crack it
split steppe
crack the hammer probably
fast pagoda
Way too late to mention <:bwaadow:1332074721155612753> but I could see someone e...
this is called indexed codebases in a db w/ vectors or whatever you want to use to cluster and relate info
amber fractal
Way too late to mention <:bwaadow:1332074721155612753> but I could see someone e...
sorrgy out hiking
split steppe
the shell most definitely doesn't
a shell is a shell, but in android, depending on what gets mounted and what services are brought up there's quite a bit you might not be able to do if you fuck up well enough
split steppe
ahh i remember these apps, there were guns and lighters and stuff
split steppe
I kinda like this size of phone still
as someone with small hands i'm sad nobody makes small phones anymore
rigid snow
I kinda like this size of phone still
og pixel damn
split steppe
stuck on last iphone mini now, for longevity
split steppe
maybe the mini will have another run in a few years, they did make the neo just now which nobody could ever imagine they would do
fast pagoda
i wish i hadnt sold my nexus 5
which i sold for a stupid amount of money because it had flappy bird's apk on it
when it was taken off the store
split steppe
ohhh yea
rigid snow
"longevity" is a funny thing to say about the 13 mini
the battery life certainly isn't long
split steppe
it's good enough for me, i bought used at like 70% battery and it lasts me >24h
split steppe
i literally don't use my phone except for comms lul
so it just sits there haha
it does drain when it decides to pick a tower fuck knows where
rigid snow
yeah
split steppe
81% hp
i've another at like 74 but it does basically the same, i use it even less
rigid snow
you have the 12 mini btw not sure if you're aware
split steppe
ye i do
rigid snow
you have the 12 mini btw not sure if you're aware
which is not the last mini
split steppe
yea, i mostly meant they aint making more minis, or anybody really
it's not the late_st_ 🤓
rigid snow
fast pagoda
10 pro xl vs pixel 1 in size
on top of a nexus 10
taken on an lg v60 that apparently has my fucking username stamped on photos
split steppe
rich
fast pagoda
poor nexus 10's back coating is all deteriorated
olive sable
i like how on 2ndhand websites, the pcs that look the best are a 8700k with a gtx 970.
and the pcs that perform the best look like absolute shit
fast pagoda
i like how on 2ndhand websites, the pcs that look the best are a 8700k with a gt...
well the 8700k certainly aaint selling on performance
split steppe
i like how on 2ndhand websites, the pcs that look the best are a 8700k with a gt...
sleepers. also likely mum bought a prebuilt
fast pagoda
oh and theyre on top of an amazon fire 11
which is on top of a laptop from work
so i have a lot of batteries that could just blow up on top of each other
no idea why i bought the fire tablet
i got it, put google play/mobiles services on it
and then
havent used it
for like anything
wonder if there's any bootloader unlocks on the 11 for this rom yet
there certainly werent when i got it
split steppe
amazon prolly left it open
fast pagoda
nope
it was locked the hell down unfortunately
there were roots and unlocks for the rom version before i had gotten it
but the one i got was past that version already
i was only able to get as far as escalating enoguh to put google play services on there and remove the ads
so it was like softroot
split steppe
ahh unfortunate
fast pagoda
better than nothing certainly
but yeah
i have a lot of android thingamabobs for no reaosn
i realize it every time i go looking
justr in case
split steppe
it does seem like android has gotten everywhere nowadays
olive sable
yep
jsut like linux is everywhere
ignoring the fact that android is built on linux
split steppe
ahhh deepin
fast pagoda
back when i had the schizo lair cave before i moved
split steppe
love installing a random chinese os. i did it at work :V
rigid snow
ignoring the fact that android is built on linux
linux is everywhere ²
split steppe
i got deepin for a little bit because it had a nice design and working blur :V
olive sable
the pc i bought is an asus prebuilt it seems 
rigid snow
there's so little
fast pagoda
this was when prices were already goig up
split steppe
don't worry funyun, it's about to get way worse 🙂
fast pagoda
oh im well aware
opaque sigil
this was when prices were already goig up
I was going to say, those prices are awful
olive sable
don't worry funyun, it's about to get way worse 🙂
it should be stabilizing no?
sage crag
@rigid snow
fast pagoda
that's why im buying all compute i can so i can offter the terminators a nice egg in this trying time
olive sable
hi konii
olive sable
konii
split steppe
it should be stabilizing no?
i like your basement
sage crag
konii <:neuroCatUuh:1131629092475768884>
rigid snow
it should be stabilizing no?
the trend is stabilizing yes
olive sable
i like your basement
why are you in my basement?
rigid snow
confidently upward
olive sable
split steppe
because i like it, like i said
olive sable
get out
fast pagoda
bruh i am so glad i keep all my devices if possible
olive sable
split steppe
rip
rigid snow
bruh i am so glad i keep all my devices if possible
will i see you on Hoarders Tech edition in 20 years
fast pagoda
i could be there now
split steppe
actually i think apple unironically will have huge growth this year
olive sable
apple has been underwhelming lately for everything except apple silicon and that new cheap laptop
rigid snow
except apple silicon (every apple product) and that new cheap laptop (apple silicon)
split steppe
mainly because they've got priority reservations with the manufacturers and their own supply chains, they aren't bending over backwards like the 1000000000 pc manufacturers
while everyone else becomes unaffordable, they've got permanent manufacturing reservations
olive sable
except apple silicon (every apple product) and that new cheap laptop (apple sili...
well, in terms of performance its good, but the iphone 17 and iphone 11 are the same to me
rigid snow
that's crazy
fast pagoda
im ngl im a specs kinda guy and i have no idea what has changed on any iphone since like iphone 10 or whatever
olive sable
it doesnt feel like a lot changed between them, besides just faster cpu
split steppe
ignoring software and all that stuff, they will probably just become the cheapest option, ironically
fast pagoda
pretty sure theyre all the same thing
fast pagoda
phones in general have definitely kinda peaked anyways
fickle rain
IIRC they got tougher
rigid snow
iphones are like known for the socs they put in them, they're consistently the most powerful phones you can get for the price
opaque sigil
mainly because they've got priority reservations with the manufacturers and thei...
didn't they just bend over backwards for samsung
rigid snow
Camera crap
Screen crap
are we talking about the same apple here
olive sable
The 11 didn't even have 120hz on any models
sure, but my 250 euro cheap samsung A series has a 120hz screen,a nd 5 cameras, and 64MP, and 1000 nits, ...
fickle rain
No, like camera and screen changed
split steppe
iphones are like known for the socs they put in them, they're consistently the m...
they just put an iphone in a laptop, so ya
fickle rain
Not saying they're bad lol
split steppe
didn't they just bend over backwards for samsung
sure, but apple has the highest margins in the entire industry, period
they can eat the cost just fine if needed, nobody else can
rigid snow
sure, but my 250 euro cheap samsung A series has a 120hz screen,a nd 5 cameras, ...
measuring the camera performance by mp and screen by its refresh rate
split steppe
also guys, remember that apple devices have excellent resale value
rigid snow
it being bright ig is the only good metric here but also 1000 nits is still not great in direct sunlight
you can see it
better than not being able to see it
olive sable
measuring the camera performance by mp and screen by its refresh rate
i know its more than jsut the mp
olive sable
but in terms of actual measurable specs
fast pagoda
(kill me)
split steppe
mp is less than worthless as a metric
split steppe
olive sable
the higher you go, the less meaningfull it becomes
cuz 128MP they jsut average the pixels to make a smaller image
split steppe
no its still a good metric
it's actually meaningless, sensor, lens and processing are everything
olive sable
processing isnt gonna do shit on a 4mp sensor
unless you want openai dlss5 on that shit
rigid snow
then even better
olive sable
no, thats worse
rigid snow
for my example it's better
olive sable
4K is 8.3MP
rigid snow
cctv cameras that have and advertise a 2mp sensor look way way way better than your average cheap phone
dirt cheap i mean
olive sable
sensor size ye
rigid snow
processing too
fast pagoda
seeing and hearing over on this side is in progress
split steppe
from what i rememer years ago, pixel 4 beat out most of the competition with less mp by having a good sensor type and size, and good processing
a lot of phones do go overboard with processing overall though
rigid snow
the pixel 3 takes better photos in most conditions than my 13 mini
fast pagoda
pixel 4 took great photos
rigid snow
2018 phone vs 2021 phone btw
split steppe
i hate samsungs in particular, it's a smeared oversaturated mess full of "ai" enhancements
fast pagoda
actually my pixel 1 camera is damn good for what it is too lol
rigid snow
i remember when the pixel came out and everyone was sideloading the camera apk from it
split steppe
hah oh yea
amber fractal
Question, how many of these have you had connected to device at once?
split steppe
it probably just broke the builtin processing pipelines the others had, which would be better anyway lol
rigid snow
not even that, it definitely did its own
fast pagoda
Question, how many of these have you had connected to device at once?
usually like 2-3
then the closet is currently hosting this
rigid snow
i remember when the pixel came out and everyone was sideloading the camera apk f...
that was almost 10 years ago oh god
fast pagoda
minor sail
so much space for ram
fast pagoda
in transit
rigid snow
actually my pixel 1 camera is damn good for what it is too lol
why did you point up
split steppe
rigid snow
amber fractal
Is that single socket board the one I think it is or nah
fast pagoda
it is
amber fractal
board 
olive sable
proven merlin
man ive been a good little alphabet boy over the years
Hows the 6P? I have the 6a and its Holding up well, but i probably wont buy a pixel again ngl.. prolly gonna get a Fairphone or a nexphone once this isnt functioning anymore
I do have to run 5G-less because of it just draining battery and Cooking itself but like id be happy with 3G if it still existed
fast pagoda
it's murky before then, had an htc thunderbolt (stinky, worst battery evar), moto droid, moto G, droid razr M, droid razr HD, nexus 3, lg g2, nexus 5, HTC one at some point in there pixel 1, pixel 3, pixel 6 pro xl, pixel 8 pro xl, pixel 10 pro xl
i am probably missing some
anyways pixel 6 pro was the first phone that lasted more than liek a year
proven merlin
Idk what Google thought when they put the SoC of the 6P into the 6a with a fraction of the cooling lol
proven merlin
anyways pixel 6 pro was the first phone that lasted more than liek a year
Huh. What happend with the ones before?
fast pagoda
but the 6 pro xl/8 pro xl/ 10 pro xl ive stuck with
fast pagoda
Huh. What happend with the ones before?
i just upgraded
proven merlin
Ah well fair
fast pagoda
6pxl was the first time i really didnt feel the need ot
to
at least for a generation
proven merlin
I stick with my phones like 4-6 years usually Something breaks or becomes unuseable by then but with more and more modern phones that tends to happen less.
fast pagoda
i dunno if it's obvious but i can't really help myself
proven merlin
My gf still uses her litterally falling apart oppo reno2 lol
fast pagoda
tbf with the way carrier deals work usually i have just never paid for any of these
like
the pixel 10 i have now
they paid me $500 for it
for the pleasure of upgrading
proven merlin
Ah i always buy mine, i dont do carrier deals
Although carriers in germany are just awful
fast pagoda
i used to trade them in but now i try to keep them
i did trade in the 8 but that was because they were giving me a pixel 10pro xl and also an additional $500 if i did
so i was like
ok
ive never owned a samsung phone
that's weird
proven merlin
I keep all mine and mod em.. i started with a Nokia 3310, then iPhone4S, then Galaxy S2, then Wiko Rainbow Lite, then Huawei P8 Lite (old Version), then Pocophone F1 (running PostmarketOS atm), and now Pixel6a
They all work still and i got some more gifted ones.. my most recent phone is a Nokia Communicator E90
Pristine condition too
proven merlin
i did trade in the 8 but that was because they were giving me a pixel 10pro xl a...
Thats impressive
fast pagoda
i wish i had it now so i could collect it tho loll
proven merlin
For us its like "yeah so.. ur monthly rate just went up by 10€ and you need to give us an additional 150€ for the installment or something"
proven merlin
i wish i had it now so i could collect it tho loll
Grab it used ig?
Surely cant be alll thaat expensive
fast pagoda
it's not worth THAT much i just kinda wish i'd held onto it is all
proven merlin
Fair
fast pagoda
i have way too many devices laying around to actually go and buy an additional phone at this point
these 2 work well enough if i need another device to take photos and stuff, then tablets and whatnot
proven merlin
Feel you, just with laptops and doodads in general for me..
fast pagoda
i kinda wish it was
proven merlin
I have like 30 laptops or something
fast pagoda
like
laptops
that probably takes up as much room as like
5-6 laptops to one giant desktop
proven merlin
A shit ton yes
But theyre all unique so like ..
One uses a cpu found in cisco router :D
fast pagoda
i feel you100% trust lmao if you saw my headphones and stuff i literally cannot shit on someone for hoarding collecting tech they liek
sage crag
i used to have an htc m7
fast pagoda
when i die buryh me in the ebay warehouse
sage crag
ye
proven merlin
One uses a cpu found in cisco router :D
The good ol AMD Geode LX800, a 500MHz, wannabe i686 (only missing LNOP), a slow i586 and a fast i486. (Yes, the i586 and i686 instructions that should speed up tasks actually lead to slower speeds than just doing it in software in i486) With 512mb ddr1 sodimm (i upgraded to 1024mb ddr1 sodimm (single stick)
proven merlin
when i die buryh me in the ebay warehouse
Absolute mood
fast pagoda
mine was silver
sage crag
it heated up like crazy
fast pagoda
taking this pic with i think the nexus 5?
proven merlin
The good ol AMD Geode LX800, a 500MHz, wannabe i686 (only missing LNOP), a slow ...
Oh, another nice thing about this laptop.. its the Hercules ECafe EC800-HGS iirc, and it has a 1.8" hdd, 20gb. Litteral ipod hdd
fast pagoda
That was crazy
fast pagoda
Oh, another nice thing about this laptop.. its the Hercules ECafe EC800-HGS iirc...
1.8 is like iPod classic lmaoo
proven merlin
mine was silver
Wait isnt this the phone with those awesome stereo speakers?
fast pagoda
I had a 160 gb iPod classic with prob a similar drive
It did have dank stereo speakers indeed
proven merlin
1.8 is like iPod classic lmaoo
Yep! Im thinking of doing an ssd upgrade on it. By default it ran mandriva linux
Not openmandriva
Mandriva
fast pagoda
Every time I walk in this closet I'm reminded of my transgressions
proven merlin
Unfortunately i couldn't grab a copy, the thing was so uncooperative to detect litterally anything
proven merlin
Every time I walk in this closet I'm reminded of my transgressions
Slight amount of boxes
fast pagoda
Only the recent headphones
Now I'm into box hoarding too
Which is another whole problem
proven merlin
Once im on my own house ill have fancy ass room where all my devices are connected and ready to use and all.. especially my old ones like my SX64 and Commodore CDTV
With like led strip animations and all
The whole shebang
Tech cave
olive sable
Every time I walk in this closet I'm reminded of my transgressions
i read that completely differently
fast pagoda
I kept buying more stuff
And now I don't have room to display stuff and use it again
fast pagoda
At least without it being a mountain
proven merlin
No seriously im gonna run in the same issue.. i already said ill need to use warehouse racks..
fast pagoda
Well if the apocalypse ever happens I know where to go for laptop parts
And if u ever need headphones
Or desktop related shit
My fallout shelter store is open
proven merlin
My father had and still has so many retro devices.. i gotta get em all to be all neat and stop rotting in the basement
I still have a MANUAL TRAY cd drive, 1x speed
fast pagoda
At some point when we moved my dad's version of my board right now got severely pared down
Hoard*
It's so sad
proven merlin
Yea for me its gonna probably grow..
Idc how much pain ill have to endure but im NOT letting those commodores disappear
proven merlin
Commodore CBM/PET 4032, and so on, all essentially pristine
They just havent ran in forever
fast pagoda
His were a bit more recent but my dad had a certain of what I am afflicted with in the 90s and he was in California right near one of the frys electronics
And he had basically a mini frys down in the basement
proven merlin
The funny part is my entire toolset is from the 70-85's.. i have a variable trafo, and lap psu but theyre like, massive. They weigh like 15kg each
fast pagoda
Of like mid 90s stuff
proven merlin
Nice nice
fast pagoda
So more like 286/386/486, Pentium overdrive stuff, old Packard bells, bunch of crt, early dells and whatnot
And they're gone now
Actually tragic
proven merlin
I do have some voodoo (with sli and all) and some pentium cpus slot2 and such
fast pagoda
Hell yeah
fast pagoda
I was still playing combat arms on our old pIII box with a GeForce 2 mx in lime
Like
2007
Couldn't render the game with textures so I deleted them from the game folder
Played it all gray
Lmao
proven merlin
Oh iirc i also have a Riva card or a tnt card in one system... Riva rally?
proven merlin
Played it all gray
The low spec gamer strat
proven merlin
Oh yea, sb32 and 16's, opls and such
fast pagoda
Yeahhh but I don't have pci-e slots to use for it
proven merlin
Use a nvme slot hehe
fast pagoda
And really like my schiit stack is basically a soundcard
U think I got free nvme slots xd
fast pagoda
I think they were going to try to revive some sort of creative soundcard line recently
proven merlin
Add some sound activated lighting toobs
rigid snow
Kinda miss having to get a nice sound blaster
you still do integrated ones are shit
proven merlin
I think they were going to try to revive some sort of creative soundcard line re...
What i find absurd is you can run hw accelerated glide on am5 and so on still.
warped narwhal
3 minutes to do a simple 60GB download, unbelievable smh
rigid snow
you still do integrated ones are shit
it’s just that there’s 0 point in having one inside your computer because all the same issues as the mobo one
fast pagoda
I use an external DAC and amp setup now yeah
That's what I was saying that whole stack is basically my soundcard
proven merlin
What i find absurd is you can run hw accelerated glide on am5 and so on still.
People have gotten the drovers running under Windows 10/11 for the voodoo cards .. and pcie to pci adapters exist plenty
fast pagoda
Just digital out -> dac -> headphone amp (and for speakers)
proven merlin
3 minutes to do a simple 60GB download, unbelievable smh
Man.. image that with 7MB/s ..
rigid snow
digital out is a choice
warped narwhal
voodoo cards are great for open source, cause literally all info about them is available, to the point that people writing their own OSes use voodoo cards because it is possible to add support
fast pagoda
What else is it gonna be? I have toslink and USB out for it but I only have one toslink
rigid snow
when the obvious one is to just get a usb interface you can connect to any device
proven merlin
voodoo cards are great for open source, cause literally all info about them is a...
Wait.. could i expect HaikuOS to support em?
fast pagoda
Noooo haha
warped narwhal
Wait.. could i expect HaikuOS to support em?
probably
fast pagoda
Haiku I feel like is more likely than many other things to support that lol
fast pagoda
i thought spdif ye
I actually am using my toslink for my sonos hookup
Because it's wayyyyy lower latency that way
rigid snow
that makes sense
proven merlin
What i find funny is how haiku seemingly are the only ones that actually attempted and managed to port nivida-open.. id like to see it ported to Windows so i can use mesa on Windows :)
fast pagoda
Importing the open Nvidia driver situation ship voluntarily is crazy work
proven merlin
Importing the open Nvidia driver situation ship voluntarily is crazy work
Nvidia open surprisingly isnt All that bad
Apparently at least
fast pagoda
I personally haven't had issues with it honestly
I just hear of A lot of issues
So I figured I'm lucky
proven merlin
According to haiku forums they did a good job abstracting os stuff away
So porting it only needs a "thin wrapper" or something.. no clue how true that is
fast pagoda
I mean what is a driver really
rigid snow
the proprietary driver at least didn’t have noise all over my screen
proven merlin
So I figured I'm lucky
Yea i surprisingly also havent any issues.. only if the card ain't supported anymore
fast pagoda
The main part of it is gonna be the same thing communicating to the lower level
And then you just gotta translate to your user space shit
rigid snow
the proprietary driver at least didn’t have noise all over my screen
how am i the only one on this planet to notice/have this issue
fast pagoda
how am i the only one on this planet to notice/have this issue
Which GPU?
proven merlin
I like that you said userspace shit, because userspace is shit
rigid snow
Which GPU?
2060
fast pagoda
Strange
proven merlin
I have a 2060..
fast pagoda
I wouldn't guess that to be a card with issues, it's such a volume unit you know
proven merlin
I have noise on my rx6700xt, but not on my 2060 (on linux)
rigid snow
noise as in
proven merlin
Filmgrain-like
fast pagoda
:0
rigid snow
no
proven merlin
Like not nearly as bad
olive sable
rigid snow
i sent pics here gimme a sec
fast pagoda
I like how drivers are such crapshoots
proven merlin
Like not nearly as bad
I litterally have to be centimeters away from the screen to see it
olive sable
i have never had any issue with noise. or never noticed it at least
proven merlin
However its most prominent with Firefox open, idk
rigid snow
i attempted to record it but video compression killed it lemme find photos
proven merlin
However its most prominent with Firefox open, idk
(also occasionally green angled lines in firefox sometimes but that comes and goes... Never in anything else)
fast pagoda
Nvidia nightmare for many folks on Linux, amd is known generally better there, but then you've got a snowy 6700xt, and I am trying to use rocm for anything on a workstation part on Linux where amd is known to be better, and oops cuda is better on Linux and rocm sucks ass for rdna on Linux sorry
Like bruh
Why are these things
Wtf is that
That happens with all cables?
proven merlin
"rocm is ass on linux" wait until you try to get rocm on windows on a unsupported gpu :D
(rx6700xt pains, i gave up and am running vulkan)
warped narwhal
yeah, technically the 6700xt doesn't support rocm, but at least it runs on linux
I have a 6800xt and it was a pain to get llamacpp to run on rocm
rigid snow
That happens with all cables?
yeah and didn’t on proprietary drivers or on windows or anywhere actually outside of nvidia-open
fast pagoda
I mean vulkan and the radv driver work perfectly fine for everything else
It's just rocm is like
Nahhhhhh
proven merlin
I have a 6800xt and it was a pain to get llamacpp to run on rocm
Was it worth it speed wise?
In comparison to vk?
proven merlin
For my 2060 cuda vs vk i get like 3t/s lower on vk
proven merlin
Vulkan is faster than rocm
Lmao
rigid snow
For my 2060 cuda vs vk i get like 3t/s lower on vk
i mean it’s cuda lol
opaque sigil
yeah cause cuda is actually optimised
proven merlin
Vulkan (1.3) supremacy
opaque sigil
it's THE build people use
proven merlin
yeah cause cuda is actually optimised <:FOCUS:1168267148523737239>
All theese greenies
Wait fuck my name is green
fast pagoda
proven merlin
Yea i saw that yesterday
proven merlin
I was so baffled i was sure i was missreading that
proven merlin
Rocm? Roc em to what? Sleep?
fast pagoda
i wonder if i can force rocm to use wave64
proven merlin
Whats that-
fast pagoda
it's the rocking motion i do in my straightjacket after it fails me one more time
proven merlin
xD
proven merlin
I.. do not understand
olive sable
ngl. not gonna lie
opaque sigil
is it native though or emulated
opaque sigil
oh nice
olive sable
_moe
opaque sigil
I.. do not understand
think simd but 64 floats
proven merlin
basically hyperthreading
I.. sure, because ofc
proven merlin
think simd but 64 floats
Wait simd/avx cant do floats?
opaque sigil
they can
fast pagoda
gpu do not execute instructions 1 at a time like a cpu
olive sable
there's no way to explain it simply. but its a lot of cores doing the exact same thing
fast pagoda
they automatically batch threads into fixed groups
opaque sigil
more data processed at once
fast pagoda
nvidia calls them warps
amd wcalls them wavefronts
amd was previously batching wave32 so 32 threads per group (wavefront)
olive sable
its like a kitchen with a lot of cooks each following the same isntructions
fast pagoda
the more waves in flight, the better you can pipeiline
proven merlin
So its essentially just jobs/functions dispatched for different regions of numbers or whatever
proven merlin
Ah
rigid snow
waves
proven merlin
Sounds like marketing
olive sable
it is
fast pagoda
i mean amd is the one who diverged
olive sable
everything they make is marketing
fast pagoda
everyone really just calls them warps
cuz they had a term first
you can also just call themn
simd
opaque sigil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_instruction,_multiple_threads here take the worst possible explanation
opaque sigil
simt yea
fast pagoda
the difference is whether or not you choose
proven merlin
i mean amd is the one who diverged
"AND" advanced neuro divergent devices
opaque sigil
you should think about it
fast pagoda
cpu it's simd generally
yea but you dont have to, it'll do it if you dont
maybe badly
opaque sigil
proven merlin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_instruction,_multiple_threads here take the...
Aw, no simple.wik Page available
fast pagoda
rdna vs cdna is annoying and i misspoke earlier btw @opaque sigil
so
rdna4 is still wave32 kinda
fickle rain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_instruction,_multiple_threads here take the...
@grok Make me a TikTok dance of this
fast pagoda
but they are different shapes than before
rigid snow
i mean amd is the one who diverged
thinking about it “waves” can and does mean “batches”
tf is warps supposed to mean
opaque sigil
it was a weaving thing or something iirc
rigid snow
Wide algebraic routine pieces lol
see. that actuallywould make sense
opaque sigil
idk, this is what happens when you have nerds name something 20 years ago
opaque sigil
The term warp originates from weaving, the first parallel thread technology. A half-warp is either the first or second half of a warp. A quarter-warp is either the first, second, third, or fourth quarter of a warp.
from nvidia's cuda guide
which btw, if you're ever curious about how gpu programming works
just read that
proven merlin
Oh, another nice thing about this laptop.. its the Hercules ECafe EC800-HGS iirc...
I have to come back to this rq again.. the thing had no real gpu. It had a framebuffer to screen thing, and a 2d rectangle moving accelerator or something. It.. maxed out emulating a gameboy via BGB
Like, litterally 96% cpu load
fast pagoda
which btw, if you're ever curious about how gpu programming works
just read that
lol, i had some light reading the other day tryign to wrap my head around the changes for 4, you just reminded me
this is like 700 pages or something
rigid snow
> The term warp originates from weaving, the first parallel thread technology. A...
warp is a far stretch from weave etymologically, and even then i struggle to understand why it’s called that in the first place
i am a certified hater of this naming
opaque sigil
fast pagoda
i thank the lord for the people who put together tables and pictures so my dumb ass can picture things properly
proven merlin
Like, litterally 96% cpu load
Ok not quite but enjoy its suffering
fast pagoda
kek
opaque sigil
ptx reference is 900 pages too damn
fast pagoda
just a lil bathroom reading
ill get through this thing eventually
man seeing 1 core is a trip
proven merlin
just a lil bathroom reading
I read 600 pages of amd geode lx documentation because i was bored like that ^^"
fast pagoda
i feel like it literally never hurts to stare at stuff for a while
proven merlin
Dont get me wrong, i understood maybe a fraction of what it said but.. i read it
opaque sigil
i sometimes forget that amd doesn't have something like ptx, so makes sense that they just stuff everything into the same pdf
fast pagoda
yep sadge
opaque sigil
the shorter nvidia white papers are pretty nice, since they only contain architecture specific things 
fast pagoda
amd does have SPIR-V
but it's not equivalent
they have a couple random things that kinda vaguely can do some of what ptx enables
also apparently rdna5 might be literally named amd PTX for some reason
just to ruin everyone's life
There's some sort of lower level llvm thing as well
opaque sigil
weren't they going to get rid of rdna/cdna and replace it with udna
fast pagoda
Urine dna
opaque sigil
or did they give that up
fast pagoda
I'm not sure that even amd knows
They were just saying something along the lines of
Hey
We should like
Pay competitive salary
For engineering talent
Considering all this cash we're making
And this was in the last few weeks
And it's like
Bruh
opaque sigil
ah looks like udna is just supposed to be a replacement for rdna
this is the company that didn't even give their own engineers enough compute to fix bugs until recently
proven merlin
Whats the whole udna/cdna/rdna stuff? I know rdna and gcn, is cdna like 7000?
opaque sigil
cdna is their data center gpus
opaque sigil
basically they just rip out all the graphics stuff and optimise for throughput over everything else
proven merlin
Correct driver not available
So i should correct myself: current display not accessible
No graphics no display ig
Isnt this asic/fpga territory tho?
Like wouldn't that make more sense?
opaque sigil
they're still very generic in what you can do with them so I wouldn't say so
though matrix cores are absolutely asic territory which is what most of the silicon ends up being used for
proven merlin
Hm fair ig.. its not asic per se.. just partially?
I mean theoretically everything is an asic..
fast pagoda
CDNA is more descended from GCN
minor sail
YOURE AN ASIC
minor sail
No one said you were programmed well
proven merlin
CDNA is more descended from GCN
This gets funky
minor sail
just an asic
proven merlin
No one said you were programmed well
Do asics need programming?
proven merlin
.. man definitions are ass
They never hold
But yea ig its programming.. like dna is too
fast pagoda
i go downstairs and my cat and robot have apparently gotten drunk together or something
proven merlin
Classic
I should sleep.. its 2am
I absolutely do not feel like it
To many ideas 
fast pagoda
the curse
proven merlin
The worst part is when your Brain is going at full speed but your body is falling asleep and all but then gets jolted back awake because idea