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proven merlin
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I wouldn't be surprised if someone wrote a regex riscv emulator

nocturne olive
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PSU connectors, VRAM usage efficiency and PCIe lanes

minor sail
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the thought of using a regex for finding primes concerns me

nocturne olive
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NeuroSynth training requires a minimum of 24GB per GPU

azure lynx
proven merlin
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Would it be possible to uh.. do something like zram.. for vram? Or is it completely useless/stupid?

leaden crest
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isnt it made so a model can only fit in one card

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no combining models into a bigger card

azure lynx
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the prime regex has a special case for 2, then it matches strings that have a length of 1 more each integer, 1 or more times. it's incredibly ineffecient.

olive sable
proven merlin
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Whats the k80 again-

nocturne olive
azure lynx
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nocturne olive
proven merlin
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Kepler 2.0 so yea

olive sable
proven merlin
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Two of em apparently

nocturne olive
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Also may not be supported by my Nvidia driver with it being so old

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If the Titan RTX was just a bit cheaper I think it'd be a quite nice companion for the 3090

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Training times would be barely affected and I could get a nice quality improvement for basically no time penalty

proven merlin
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Welp, i think ill go to sleep.. i don't have anything to keep myself awake for more for a reason reason.. @olive sable should i keep you posted for the 4080 incase anything happens with it? What should i expect?

olive sable
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yes please

rough bloom
# proven merlin Whats the k80 again-

it's that one card that is famous for being horrible and being completely unusable
there is not much of a reason to not at least get a P40 instead, even that will be fast in comparison

nocturne olive
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Anyway I should sleep

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Tomorrow is math day

olive sable
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2080 Ti 22GB exists apprently. i did not know of that.
490 so not a good deal compared to the titan

proven merlin
# olive sable yes please

I think ill be able to test it soon-ish, maybe this or next week, depends when the friend and i are meeting.. he said hed bring it so i can see it running and all.. cant particularly spare 400€ for a card i wont use, but u seem online a lot.. can i assume youd reply whenever someone pings?

olive sable
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i shoudl stop looking at gpus for sale

real sierra
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ok programmers

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i keep having this thought for an app

minor sail
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Is it a HBD app?

olive sable
real sierra
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and i want it to exist but i dont wanna make it because i'll do it badly

real sierra
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why am i explaining this to a mealworm

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how did my life get to this

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anyway

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the problem i have with current scheduling apps is that they are too rigid

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all they do is remember the schedule

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im still the one that has to come up with it

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what i want is an app where i can add floating tasks that the app picks a time for instead of me

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e.g. "do laundry"

minor sail
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But how is it to know the best cadence for tasks

real sierra
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and then the user could set how much free time they want in a day, when they sleep, etc

real sierra
minor sail
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So the user still comes up with the schedule?

real sierra
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nah

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the user just says something like "i want this much empty time between tasks"

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or "i want this much of my day free"

minor sail
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ah

real sierra
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and then this also allows you to change the schedule easy

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lets say the app was gonna suggest you laundry for the afternoon

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it sends you the notification but you're at the store

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you press an "i cant right now" button

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and it puts it somewhere else and clears your schedule for a while YES

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automatically moving floating tasks elsewhere

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you can also have recurring tasks with a target frequency

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and i thought of some other things too, like if it noticed you have a busy period of fixed tasks coming up where you might struggle to do some of those floating tasks, it could suggest to you to do some of those early

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but the core goal is that i dont need to pick a time for these things

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i have an app that chooses tentative times for me

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and then i just do what it tells me

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or if i can't, i inform it and it handles picking a better time for me

minor sail
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you'd probably want to have a set "working hours" too... so it doesn't start scheduling things at 3am or something

real sierra
azure lynx
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the problem with that app is you'll just keep pushing "i can't right now" and eventually you'll be swamped

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and uninstall it

minor sail
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Just like real life

real sierra
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thats not the problem im trying to solve

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the problem i want to solve is that i dont even attempt to make a schedule because i hate picking times for things

azure lynx
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if it's just a "you don't seem busy now, so why not do this?"

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that'd be fine

real sierra
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but i feel that if an app suggested it to me "at random" and it happened to be a good time

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then i would probably do it

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like if i got a notif that was like "hey got a sec? how about those dishes"

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yeah sure

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i can do those quickly

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but there is no way im putting "Dishes - 2pm" in my calendar or something

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zero chance

azure lynx
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the "randomly ask you" app would be easier to write than a "schedule and then ask" app..

real sierra
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its the same thing maybe you just misread my idea

azure lynx
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schedule and then ask implies you can look at a calendar and see when it will be.
it could just randomly ask you

real sierra
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you still do need the ability to schedule fixed events that come up too, obviously im not doing the laundry if im out for dinner or something

amber fractal
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I recall having an idea similar to this

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never got to impl tho

real sierra
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and for things like laundry, you don't really "schedule" it but you need to specify a frequency

azure lynx
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just give it access to your calendar

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and meticulously update your calendar

minor sail
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try an AI agent like openclaw with access to your calendar, i bet it'd be fine adding tasks for you

azure lynx
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AIs are bad at choosing random anything

minor sail
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ah

real sierra
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and then the app will look through all the floating tasks and try to suggest them at times that respect your preferences for free time, your fixed commitments and the ideal frequencies you've set for those floating tasks

azure lynx
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you could do the random part with a tool though and then the AI could work

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i think you need a one sentence description for it to be worth writing unless it's only for you.

olive sable
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id didnt know we had study-sama emotes

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ive been out of the arg loop

rough bloom
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that's the only one I think mahi
been there for ages

olive sable
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ye the 2nd one is unnoficial

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jsut a cropped version of the first one i guess

trim valve
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wait I didn't read the last screeps update

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less p2w neuroPogHD

trim valve
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i forget is undervolting your cpu the free performance hack

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also neuroMonkaOMEGA

opaque sigil
trim valve
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my ssd gets hot in this case

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dropped 10 degrees by taking off the side panels

opaque sigil
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what kind of ssd is it

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pcie gen 4?

trim valve
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nvme

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5

opaque sigil
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oh

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yeah that'll do it

trim valve
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i don't think that's why its hot though

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I would blame uh

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the case

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im very tempted to put a small fan in here just to move air around

opaque sigil
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to an extent it is definitely the drive itself, gen 5 does push them so hard they will throttle without a heatsink FOCUS

trim valve
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it has a heatsink

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not a great one but it has one

opaque sigil
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depends on what you're doing then i guess

hard delta
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it just showed you the shit you gotta do today, and ranked them based on their inherent importance you set, how close the deadline is, but it also took into account every descendant of the task that depends on it
put that in there too :D
yours truly
- feature creep

opaque sigil
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i wouldn't worry too much about it unless it gets hot hot, not like air really does anything

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it's just a block of metal

fast pagoda
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gen5 drives pretty much all suffer heat issues at full tilt

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even the faster gen4 had the issue

trim valve
fast pagoda
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monkas

opaque sigil
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is this the drive that was taking like 20ms to respond

trim valve
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don't think so?

opaque sigil
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oh that was a 990 evo

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wait

trim valve
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you see thanks to the magic of sff cases right

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my ssd is

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directly where my cpu air goes

opaque sigil
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that's gen 4x4 or gen 5x2 huh

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interesting

trim valve
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and then when you add the case

opaque sigil
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i guess that doesn't help

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is this at least under load

fast pagoda
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carefully designed to aerodynamically windtunnel "ventilation" over all surfaces of the drive

opaque sigil
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or is the drive chilling

trim valve
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yeah that was 150W of cpu load + 80W of GPU load + 50MB/s write

fast pagoda
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does that thing throw a bunch of smart heat warnings

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i feel like it must

trim valve
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I am reading the hotspot of the ssd

fast pagoda
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i think my drives start complaining over like 70

trim valve
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the rest of it is a bit cooler

opaque sigil
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mine complains past 50°C apparently FOCUS

fast pagoda
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honestly i was gonna say 50-60 but that felt too low

opaque sigil
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chilling at 52 doing nothing rn

trim valve
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yeah idk why I get 3 temp readings

opaque sigil
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controller & nand maybe?

trim valve
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middle one is apparently the asci controller

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other two are nand

opaque sigil
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checks out i guess

trim valve
azure lynx
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great. the gemini CLI has two ways i can stop the agent from doing what it's currently doing... however pressing either of the button(s) twice (^C or ESC) does something other than just stopping it. one exits the CLI and the other does a /rewind!

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i'm just used to double tapping to make sure its dead

fast pagoda
trim valve
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mine has a shitty heat sink that im convinced only makes the problem worse

fast pagoda
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lol

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traps the heat

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for extra cooking

trim valve
fast pagoda
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my last one had the world's most loud little fan in there that i think was meant to cool ssd but idk if it did anything

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when i took this photo i thought the price was a bit high

azure lynx
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parse_special: (Optional) Boolean indicating if special tokens should be tokenized. When false special tokens are treated as plaintext. Default: true
This was why my <end_of_turn> tokens were all non-atomic. ;/

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just a random "false" in the code which should've been "true"

leaden crest
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was that from api documentation?

fast pagoda
# trim valve

World's most me irl fan, spins up to 900000 rpm on boot then I am p sure spends 99% of time not even spinning at all

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i cant even see wires in this case with this new improve cable management

trim valve
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but just imagine

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it might

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explode without it

trim valve
sage crag
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head in the computer

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fan on head in the computer

trim valve
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thank you yingying

sage crag
olive sable
fast pagoda
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my 980 has seen some shit

trim valve
fast pagoda
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4.26 years power on time kekw

hard delta
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oh it's not deployed anywhere

proven merlin
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Oo, webapp style?

hard delta
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i just made it, documented it to a high standard, got my points and grades for it, and never touched it again

olive sable
proven merlin
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Hmm.. i set up a vikunja, but their "blocked by" thing is completly useless..

fast pagoda
olive sable
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and your os doesnt crash?

fast pagoda
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i would be concerned

olive sable
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windows could never meow

fast pagoda
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most of the power on time: windblows

proven merlin
olive sable
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tbf i havent had issues with windows myself

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but i hear a lot of people say it doesnt liek more than 30 days

fast pagoda
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dont tell windows server

proven merlin
proven merlin
fast pagoda
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i restart more on arch because updates are so frequent for like 58902498509 packages

olive sable
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why update? NeuroClueless

fast pagoda
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i cannot open a terminal without

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immediately

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updating

hard delta
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too much admin

olive sable
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the only reason i update stuff from time to time is cuz discord starts complaining every couple months

hard delta
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if i had that energy i wouldn't need a graph to-do

proven merlin
fast pagoda
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catch a pacman -Syu flying out of my comp every 6 hours at most usually

fast pagoda
proven merlin
fast pagoda
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cpu spends more time rebuilding packages than anything

proven merlin
hard delta
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to make such a todo list organize my day properly - as in, i don't have to think i can just look at my todo list - i'd have to add everything basically
and adding everything, with expiry dates, importance, and placing them in the graph takes a fuckton of time

fast pagoda
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i have i think like 20 *fetch on my system still xd

hard delta
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and i was missing tasks because i was lazy to begin with - lazy enough not to spend all that time managing todo xd

fast pagoda
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i like to go collect them

proven merlin
proven merlin
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I think my next arch install will be zfsroot

hard delta
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also tfw if you keep that arch going for another 4 months

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you basically get the proper windows lifecycle

fast pagoda
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the real one is fetchfetch

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from a while back

hard delta
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which is reinstalling every fall at the <year>H2 release

fast pagoda
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arch LTS

proven merlin
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Oh because like 12 months no Update or what-?

fast pagoda
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think thats what they were saying yeah

proven merlin
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Lol

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I mean to be fair i dualboot with Windows 10 Enterprise iot ltsc..

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Which uhh

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Booted Last time like idk prolly 8 months ago aswell

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It takes about 30 minutes just to become responsive because it autostarts like all the Updates

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(my poor 2.5" ssd slows to 500ms response Times

fast pagoda
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kek this was last october but i loe the packages to install line (theyre all fetch)

proven merlin
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I must say

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I cant help but guess that cpufetch is.. unnessesary

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I mean, lscpu exists

fast pagoda
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gotta do it to em

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i like countryfetch

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super helpful for remembering where i am

proven merlin
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Yes

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Or where u aint

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English os in germany:

fast pagoda
olive sable
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usa stats?

fast pagoda
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very important to have countryfetch installed

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freshfetch has a different ascii neuroNOWAYING

olive sable
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i like to think that this is managed by the cia, and it live-updates the stats

fast pagoda
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no that's just the software in my router

olive sable
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person is born, +1

fast pagoda
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why the hell does this fetch have a 1000 line PKGBUILD

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my god

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they put their entire commit email chain in the fucking PKGBUILD

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oh it's openSSL that did that

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what the helly

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oh good, over 1000 tests, thank god theyre thorough

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6m56 seconds
result:

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oh wait it was this one with the crazy build:

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pkgs: >3

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yea

brisk laurel
fast pagoda
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personally i like the ones with terrifying tux who is about to kill me through the screen

amber fractal
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evilDentge optimized the patcher so much that out of 300M patch groups that only 200 cases aren't a perfect match

fast pagoda
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for those 200 jus tell them there's always another fish in the sea

amber fractal
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It was that or increasing model size again, and I don't feel like doing so

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we love the single 48 sized head

fast pagoda
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mfw run smartctl on /dev/*

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Apparently i have 237 devices it could be

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i expected a few but idk about 237

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couple tty

amber fractal
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It is ovbiously tty12

fast pagoda
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if you're not on tty62 then what r u even doin tbh

amber fractal
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true!

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Main model please work neuroPray

azure lynx
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speaking of multiple TTY: i made a script which gives you a different .bash_history file per TTY, so every time you open tty1, it's always got the command history for tty1, which is separate from tty2 and tty3.

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runs from your .profile or .bashrc

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i find it very helpful coz i tend to open the same terminals up everytime and use them the same way. it also saves a "cd $PWD" as the last entry in your history so you can press the up arrow, enter and you are back where you were when you clsoed the window.

fast pagoda
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is that last part not default

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catch me out here pressing up every time i open a terminal because usually the last thing i ran was an update and i opened a terminal so it's updatin time

azure lynx
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I think Gemini is suggesting I steal intellectual property again.

amber fractal
azure lynx
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You can feed the entire text into the 12B model in a single pass.
(where the entire text is an entire book :O)

fast pagoda
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you mean to tell me the angry ghost of all the intellectual property on the internet is suggesting you grab some gimmes?

azure lynx
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(i do own the book, and really it's not any different to me lending the book to the LLM for the afternoon so it can read it)

amber fractal
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I continue to be glad undercooked and overcooked are very easy to identify in model output

fast pagoda
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training runs be like

amber fractal
fast pagoda
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someone MONKAS

amber fractal
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o7 3060m you are running at 128 batch

patent shard
amber fractal
silent island
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btw, how often should I update my gpu drivers?

flint dome
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should i rewrite the frontend myself for that steaming piece of shit repo that was mostly screwed for yesterday

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which i had to unscrew for hours

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or should i just vibecode it and call it a day

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because i'll get marks for the project either way

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wtf why are the clankers so good at making websites

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wth

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mf just made the entire frontend for me in 5 minutes

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im SO glad i didnt pick web dev

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and went to hardware and embedded instead

opaque sigil
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that's one of the things they're specifically trained towards + naturally there ends up being an abundance of examples

flint dome
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what the fuck is this piece of shit

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who the fuck wrote this

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the ai certainly did not

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who the fuck wrote the jwt key as hardcoded and then wrote it as this

opaque sigil
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git blame time

leaden crest
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so ai is really good at it

mighty thorn
kind nimbus
flint dome
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just

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why

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im going to crash out

kind nimbus
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Wait is that from an actual banks source code ?

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Or a Ctf ?

flint dome
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motherfucker said the fraud detection system was something robust and good

flint dome
flint dome
kind nimbus
flint dome
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i would rather shovel pig shit and castrate a 3000 pound raging bull than work with this guy again

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he's a good friend, but a really really terrible programmer

kind nimbus
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Haha

azure lynx
glass jetty
# flint dome

i made hardcodes salt for client and server just cuz why not xd

glass jetty
# flint dome why

i qlwo did basicqlly the same thing, max size is 1504 and there no header but just uint with following data

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like, only working anti-fraud system is limiter + error handling everywhere, in way no exception or error can escape

leaden crest
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why is it printing to console 😭 😭 😭

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console based bank

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might as well use an llm to make it simulate a banking agent

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is the parameter for println actually just x

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that’s really funny never knew that

azure lynx
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here me out... what if...
we gave Neuro's art
to DLSSv5

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her train was... well, i guess i could see the wheels and a body and maybe smoke out the top... but with some DLSS magic, that'd be obvious

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(but probably still pink)

young plover
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🤔 generation based on crude shapes has been around for a long time. DLSS 5 probably doesn't have enough global context to go crazy with it.
Regardless of whether it's possible, it kills the charm.

silent island
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brooo... since when was 6GB of vram barely enough???

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DLSS 5 is basically AI slop lmaoo

tight tinsel
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6gb 3050 😭 I got a 4gb 3050

amber fractal
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If this model doesn't give me english I am going to explode

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I have been doing runs all day and the last 2 weeks

rigid snow
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react sure it had some history prior to ai

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tailwind was the hot new thing basically no one heard of in 2023

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my best guess is ai is great at both of these technologies because of how you use them

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for tailwind, styling an element as soon as you type it out is straightforward

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for react, colocation (no "concern separation") - the components as function model requires you to define component logic right where you define how it looks

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i assume all of this is optimal for llms because of attention

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also was the cool stack right around end of 23

rare bramble
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nvidia and amd have hinted at some texture compression tech that reduces vram requirements but havent heard any concrete release dates, so might be couple of years before that comes along

jagged turtle
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also it wouldn't require agents to switch files for each component like most other solutions but that's like a really minor thing

rigid snow
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i'd argue it's not

jagged turtle
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wdym

silent island
rare bramble
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eh, not that simple, nowadays many games on PC and consoles run on basically the same codebase

silent island
split steppe
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i blame ue5 and those who keep pushing for realism. AAA devs have literally stopped caring about any kind of optimization for their games. though to be fair that extends to the rest of the industry. oversized slop is the norm and people don't complain enough about it

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needing 8gb+ vram as the "norm" is absolutely deranged and nothing will change my mind about that, we had higher fidelity and better games >15 years ago

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with a box of scraps

amber fractal
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My 6gb system is loving this 1024 batch size neurowheeze

true hemlock
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slop can go fuck itself

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also

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guysss i got those 1U server 40mm fans for my briefcase airflow

split steppe
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excited for the jet engine in your home

rough bloom
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it's not like there aren't any quiet 40mm fans

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just the ones in 1U servers usually aren't kek

split steppe
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noctua prolly has some quieter ones

rough bloom
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vedalYes they do (I have some in use)

split steppe
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nice

faint sandal
mighty thorn
rough bloom
faint sandal
true hemlock
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they're literal jet engines

faint sandal
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$1 OFF

rough bloom
faint sandal
rough bloom
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yeah those are the loud ones

true hemlock
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28.5 CFM on these tiny piece of shit

split steppe
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oof

true hemlock
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12v 1.5A

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14K rpm i think?

split steppe
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them bastards sound zippy

true hemlock
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i already have plenty of those because i used to hoard random 1U servers

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just gonna repurpose them

rough bloom
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I don't think these are good in a briefcase neuromegadance
bigger than normal 40mm + too loud

true hemlock
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i have a 4 pin pwm controller that can supply 3A per 4 pin

true hemlock
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besides

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the size sorta match because it spans to the heatsink so

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maximum air flow

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blows high pressure air directly to the heatsink

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3 of them

rough bloom
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at least it's convenient then neurolingSlep

true hemlock
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sorta

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but well

rough bloom
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assuming you still have some other case airflow

true hemlock
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12v 1.5A....

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i wanna have some fun with this time's briefcase build

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2 modes

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the ultra efficient one with <10W total system draw

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so it last 2 days playing yt video

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and this one with these 40mm suckers blowing maximum

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surely my battery can handle it glueless

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i just wanna show up to a lecture with it blasting jet engine sounds

fast pagoda
true hemlock
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yes

lament igloo
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ughhhhhh it happened again

mighty thorn
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I want gemma4 now angy

mighty thorn
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What are HQ

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I’ve never seen that before

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Only H and K

split steppe
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hq is laptop shit

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Q are efficiency variants

sick owl
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So remember that yandev tier template from Unsloth

split steppe
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did they fix it?

sick owl
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No, they're releasing software 💀

split steppe
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oh right

fast pagoda
split steppe
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i was checking that out earlier this morning, kinda wanna try it

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do you think it'll wipe my disk

sick owl
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Some of the ideas behind it are nice at least

split steppe
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i was mainly looking at it because it says it comes with websearch ootb, i wanted to make a search mcp server to improve knowledge for mine

sick owl
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Honestly might as well give it a try

split steppe
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promising

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apparently they've been cooking it for 5 months already

sick owl
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Maybe the community'll get it into a good state

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Benefit of open source

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Would be nice to have a prominent open source lmstudio competitor

split steppe
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ahh no it's a combined repo actually

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i just run the llama.cpp server lul

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oh yea auth was also the other thing i was interested in

sick owl
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Why does this always happen with AI related soft

sick owl
split steppe
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looking at the setup script i'd need to set it up in a vm

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classic curl | sh type shit

lament igloo
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mfw everything breaks cus cpu decided to take a break

split steppe
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it's just taking its rightfully earned break

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let it rest for a bit

silent island
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YOOOOO cant believe my 2nd gen magic mouse outlived my apple pencil lmaoooo

sick owl
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Interesting

idle dune
jagged turtle
split steppe
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it's definitely how it should work

silent island
split steppe
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man's at the ocean

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just wait until the fan wears out and then it sounds like a woodchipper

sick owl
fast pagoda
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I come to you from my phone

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Rocm restarting my graphics driver over and over

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It did not stop going up turns out

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Forgot to give any safety consideration whatsoever just assumed I surely had enough spare

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Computer hasn't stopped playing Linkin Park so it's like a forced break

sick owl
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Mistral Small 4 in reasoning mode matches Qwen 4B reasoning and Qwen 9B non reasoning at over 100B parameters 💀

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Grim

fast pagoda
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sacre bleu

sick owl
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Decent hallucination rates at least I guess, if you wanna find a silver lining

fast pagoda
rough bloom
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Europe is leading the way into the AI Age
GOODONE

fast pagoda
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continue read

sick owl
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Half the people in the comments don't realise its satire ICANT

rough bloom
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20 GB CerberHOLY

fast pagoda
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there was a different version of that i was trying to find but i am too stupid

sick owl
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UK is the only European country that can do untethered AI research now and that's because we're diet Europe

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I feel bad for the Mistral guys having to work within the EU AI acts regulatory framework

fast pagoda
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i must've seen just another of this dude's posts originally

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he literally just shitposts these all day

nocturne olive
olive sable
true hemlock
split steppe
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i feel bad for ourselves that none of the other people have to comply with any regulation and they're literally destroying the global economy to forcefeed you slop built on pirated content which is apparently totally ok to do as a billion $ corpo

true hemlock
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yeah

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all the data as if its theirs

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no cunt, i do not consent my data being used in such ways and im pretty sure many other individuals AND institutions do not consent either

split steppe
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not to mention the literal burning of millions of books

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and intentional destruction of entry level jobs, and resources, and cities and more

true hemlock
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its just getting out of hand. i really wished global regulations will be put on place and held all these companies liable for such unauthorized data usage

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all companies no exceptions

split steppe
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never gonna happen unfortunately

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it's never happened before for any other issue

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there's money to be made folks

true hemlock
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its not even a cool tech anymore at this point its just the same slop with different twist each time. no real breakthroughs

fast pagoda
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that's the problem you either join in or lose (from their perspective) not that they seem to have needed much convincing

rough bloom
true hemlock
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💀

split steppe
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it's not just about creative works either, they've wormed into governments and corporate highest levels - that's unaccountable decision making and influence ruining millions of lives as well

true hemlock
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yeah our world is governed by boomers its so over 💀

mighty thorn
sick owl
fast pagoda
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it's just more clear than ever that if you have enough money then you can do whatever you want
beyond savable, laws dont matter out in the open for these companies

true hemlock
sick owl
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That may be more accurate

split steppe
true hemlock
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i just want all these companies to be held liable

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see

fast pagoda
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the day that happens we'll have bigger problems because of it

true hemlock
#

insomnia fucking suck ass

fast pagoda
mighty thorn
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Not the ghibli part tho

split steppe
fast pagoda
#

best we can do is target end users

true hemlock
fast pagoda
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sb_insane pinout

true hemlock
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god damn it she figured the whole pinout thing quick

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while i blow a hole on my head

fast pagoda
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i didnt realize you wanted a pinout for some reason, i said job done finding the cable

mighty thorn
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Based

fast pagoda
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just plug it into the standard lenovo digitizer header on ur mobo

split steppe
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i like C, the rest can burn

true hemlock
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wow

fast pagoda
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Dentge plug in 2 laptop u dont hav

true hemlock
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i got filtered

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is it the word

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somehow it is

fast pagoda
#

the bird

sick owl
true hemlock
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it won't just work out of the box from the 40 pin eDisplayPort

fast pagoda
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no sir it will not i found that out hwen i first took my lenovo apart thinking it'd surely just be displayport

sick owl
split steppe
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i like that europe doesn't try to sell our souls for pennies

true hemlock
fast pagoda
fast pagoda
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time honoured tradition of we pretend to care unless tHe WeS t Is In DaNgEr

true hemlock
split steppe
true hemlock
#

horray i guess

rough bloom
true hemlock
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idfk why tf is the short of e-DisplayPort is filtered in here though

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caught me off guard

rough bloom
fast pagoda
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me: why are my caches always like 400 gb suddenly

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also me:

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wheer my storage go

split steppe
#

why does my SSD have a petabyte of writes after a week

fast pagoda
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i think technically

true hemlock
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fuck

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its a shame because e display port is a real technical term

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and not to be confused with whatever the fuck the filter intended to

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just in case mods read

split steppe
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you can swear like a sailor but cant say ed port

fast pagoda
split steppe
#

tiktok type filtering

true hemlock
#

Australian swears >>>>>>

fast pagoda
#

this one though

split steppe
#

damn, its eating the spare already

fast pagoda
#

it wasnt until recently despair

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i think its endurance is only 600TBw

split steppe
#

that's where all the SSDs go

#

the darn clankers keep eating it

fast pagoda
#

well this load has stalled so that's fantastic

split steppe
#

stalled or your disk gave out finally

fast pagoda
mighty thorn
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I can’t afford enough ram to perform this math

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I need 1gb but I only have 64gb

fast pagoda
#

i have a similar problem except not hallucinated

olive sable
olive sable
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We do a litle bit of tomfoolery

fast pagoda
nocturne olive
opaque sigil
fast pagoda
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oh god

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i have found the most annoying startup i think

minor sail
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"recreate any open source project from scratch" "git clone"

fast pagoda
rough bloom
minor sail
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oh the actual use for it is atrocious

fast pagoda
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is it

rough bloom
#

yes

minor sail
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"© 2024 MalusCorp International Holdings Ltd. Registered in [JURISDICTION WITHHELD]."

fast pagoda
leaden crest
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alas

fast pagoda
#

Patricia Bottomline
VP of Legal, MegaSoft Industries

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Chad Stockholder
Engineering Director, Profit First LLC

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it's real, that's me

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what if it's real but pretending to be pretending to be real

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waiting for the non-satirical version to appear since life imitates art

#

not sure how that works with licensing as a concept anyways, if you're directly copying something with the express intent to make a 'legally distinct' version, i guess that's reverse engineering easy mode

rough bloom
sick owl
sick owl
fast pagoda
ebon basin
fast pagoda
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42

opaque sigil
sick owl
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42

rough bloom
fast pagoda
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which aint bueno

rough bloom
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mabe not fine if it's the same entity providing the spec and the implementation, even if the tech separates the knowledge internally

fast pagoda
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for libraries it just seems like an auto-ecosystem-fragment-o-matic and great way to lose track of upstream everything

sick owl
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From a pragmatic perspective it doesn't make sense

fast pagoda
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i really wonder where it'll all go in the end

#

some very powerful very deep pockets seem to really be convinced from some source of info that this is worth it

#

to risk literally everything

sick owl
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They just need to be convinced other people will buy in

#

Investors follow large quantities of money

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There's no grand plan here

fast pagoda
#

i dont think it's some grand plan or even conspiracy really, it feeds into itself of course

sick owl
fast pagoda
#

the top 5 us tech companies by expendature are spending more on this in 1 year than it cost to build the entire US interstate highway system

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the expenditure by only google on datacenters in 2026 is going to be about the same cost as the entire apollo program

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you could fund 80 manhattan projects per year with this money

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global 2026 ai spend is 2.5trillion forecasted

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that is 8 international space stations

tender river
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is that inflation-adjusted?

fast pagoda
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yes

tender river
fast pagoda
#

1960-1973 apollo program

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257 billion adjusted for inflation

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25.8 billion at the time

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us hyperscaler capEx - 2026: 700 billion

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this is probably the most money that's ever been spent on anything in human history by like 10x by the end of this year LULE

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94% of all operating cashflow of the companies involved for the entire year are going into it

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panama canal: 11 billion

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mecca's 'great mosque' total cost over centuries: ~105 billion

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this is 2-3x the total military budget of both the US and china combined

sick owl
#

Better use of the money than military dick measuring contests even if you're not a fan of AI tbh

fast pagoda
#

2,5 trilly ai build out

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look inside

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military dick measuring contests

opaque sigil
fast pagoda
#

i dont even know how to understand these figures beyond comparing it to several "we do not care how much it costs, do it" tier undertakings

sick owl
sick owl
fast pagoda
#

meta could fund the whole apollo program this year and then still have spend left over enough to build the ISS on their own

sick owl
#

Tbh I don't think the returns will justify the spend but I kinda wanna ride this out and see where it goes at this point just for the hell of it

#

Mankind having unprecedented compute capacity will kind of inherently create scientifically interesting outcomes

fast pagoda
#

at what point do we just look at this and go "so like money isn't real, huh?"

#

feels like a lot of things turned out to simply be mental blocks

sick owl
fast pagoda
#

laws dont matter if you just do shit

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money doesnt matter if you just say haha and swipe the credit card

#

checks and balances dont exist if they arent enforced and the entire world has realized that over the last 10 years

fast pagoda
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it's like the omnidroid from the incredibles the only thing powerful enough to penetrate its armor is itself

#

well dann that's not much of a discount when you charge $40 to ship one(1) stick of shitty ram

sick owl
split steppe
#

it itself is the source of the problem

#

i encourage you to look at the fundamentals of how these things are being run and their costs

split steppe
#

if you dont see the destruction you arent

sick owl
#

I even run models on my PC for robotics and translation

sick owl
fast pagoda
#

it's really not that mysterious or opaque, but refusing to participate whatsoever cant really solve that problem either

sick owl
#

Because there is a lot of harm you can point to

#

But its also not really something that can be meaningfully curbed in todays world and societal structures

fast pagoda
#

it's akin to declaring coal too destructive to burn for power as a 1900s industrial economy

sick owl
#

If you mean the water use thing that's been thoroughly debunked, if you're referring to jobs that's the inevitable consequence of any technological leap

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If you mean its impact on the arts then yeah I think it has no place there

azure lynx
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i feel sorry for the saddle and horseshoe makers.

sick owl
#

In terms of energy use the jurys out, I hope it drives adoption of nuclear and renewables to meet the demand

azure lynx
#

stop driving!

sick owl
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If you mean disinformation and societal decay that's algorithmic social medias fault and we should kill that with fire

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If you mean military application I agree its an abomination

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Same goes for surveillance

fast pagoda
#

one of the few overall positives to me is forcing nuclear back on the menu or else
and also making countries take a hard look at just how sovereign they actually are as well is probably going to end up a benefit in some respects

sick owl
#

But those are symptoms of far bigger more systemic problems

#

The misuse of AI isn't the cause and I'd deem broad unfocused anti AI backlash a distraction from meaningful action and a waste of political energy

azure lynx
#

people will always "misuse" technology. everything has multiple uses.

sick owl
#

Did I hit the marks @split steppe ?

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I'm not being combative with that ping btw, I'm just wondering if you're referring to a harm I didn't cover

azure lynx
#

the total power usage of people playing games or streaming media at home is probably doing something too

fast pagoda
#

i cant come to any conclusion other than that it'll simply be: spend nothing, become a client state to the ones that did, and then you wont have a choice anyways
or spend everything and hope you end up on top and in charge to enforce some sanity on it later on

split steppe
#

it's fascinating what mental gymnastics people will do to attribute issues directly created by the technology to something else

azure lynx
#

explain

split steppe
#

and also miss the fundamentals, as if it's a gotcha

#

dude these corps are forcing it in schools

azure lynx
#

you say it's simple. go ahead.

split steppe
#

it's not simple, you have to think two steps ahead

azure lynx
#

oh. you have to be paranoid. got it.

sick owl
#

I did cover some that are but I also explained my perspective on them, even agreed some of them do need tackling

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But plenty of issues created by the tech aren't necessarily inherent issues with the technology, they're issues with the society it exists in

azure lynx
#

if it's so obvious tell us. if it's not obvious, tell us. just state it clearly without saying "you are all so stupid for not seeing it"

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we don't know what you are talking about.

split steppe
#

give me some time to collect the research papers

azure lynx
#

give me the gist so i know if i want to know

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elevator pitch

sick owl
#

I think its a healthy discussion to have

azure lynx
#

if you can't state your point in 30 seconds, it's not one point.

split steppe
#

when have i said it's one point

azure lynx
#

when you seemed surprised that we didn't guess it i expected it was obvious

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it seems it's not.

#

it's fascinating what mental gymnastics people will do to attribute issues directly created by the technology to something else
which issues?
that's a simple question.

#

i imagined it was something obvious, or you wouldn't be so vague about it.

sick owl
#

There's a reason tiktok is ass for any sort of nuanced discussion or information

#

I mean its ass generally but still

fast pagoda
#

Pascal's wager is a philosophical argument advanced by Blaise Pascal (1623–1662), a French mathematician, philosopher, physicist, and theologian. This argument posits that individuals essentially engage in a life-defining gamble regarding the belief in the existence of God.
Pascal contends that a rational person should adopt a lifestyle consis...

azure lynx
#

the way they were talking, it seemed like it should be obvious to us.

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like it was one single obvious fact.

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that we were stupid for not getting

sick owl
#

They didn't say we were stupid

#

I think you're taking this a bit too combatively

azure lynx
#

and "mental gymnastcs" implies we know the truth but choose to ignore it

sick owl
#

There was an implication of intellectual dishonesty yes but they clearly walked it back afterwards

azure lynx
#

unless they're not talking about us, and talking about others, in which case i have no idea what they are talking about or why and want to know

split steppe
#

there are very clear second order effects from it:

  1. worsening of education, this has been reported by multiple schools. ai corps are forcing the adoption of these tools there. this has a huge future cost for everyone, this is not time you can somehow reclaim.
  2. energy costs - corps are building their datacentres in areas that cannot support their load, and they are using as much as entire cities. several cities and countries have reported elevated costs. short term yes, but it exists.
  3. misinformation - you can set automatic bot farms to have real conversations with millions of people pushing whatever agenda, this has been reported and is clearly visible in most social media online for years now. deepfakes - both video and voice are at a point they are not distinguishable. this has already created reported problems.
  4. surveillance - automated mass surveillance has landed hundreds of innocents in jail already. more data is being exploited day by day, corps like palantir are already collaborating with many governments to track more.
  5. accountability - these models are being used as an accountability sink, thousands of companies and institutions are using this already to blame the machine for false information, firing and killing of people.
  6. economy - concentration of capital caused by it has condensed the manufacturing and more towards a select few corporations making everything more expensive end to end, as the capacity cannot be allocated to the thousands of other things we need silicon for.
  7. entry level jobs - companies are using it out of forced FOMO as an excuse to not only fire workers under the false claims that these agents are capable of real work, but also those who do work entry level are forced to use AI to keep up with illusory productivity gains. the usage of AI prevents learning in more ways than one and creates unstable systems in the long term.
  8. if the gamble doesn't work, a huge influx of old tech that destabilizes the consumer market
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i don't have enough characters to keep going

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i can type more

azure lynx
#

so i should stop using them to solve all those problems?

#

i'm not sure what your point is

#

people have always complained about new technology ruining education.
writing made people forgetful!

fast pagoda
#

you can make a 100% on-the moeny case that this is a bubble, that the spending is unhinged relative to current revenue, that most of the value will concentrate in like 3 companies who all want to fuck us all over, that the environmental costs are being externalized (horrendously, and killing people along the way), that. and you'd probably be right about most of it
but none of that matters if the shit ends up working at the level people are betting on. if you sat out the building out of internet infrastructure in the 90s because the spending was "irrational" you were technically correct about the bubble and strategically dead. the bubble popped, people lost moneys and cried for a bit, and everyone who built on top of it won the next 25 years and partially are now the ones ahead in this new thing

split steppe
#

these are just summaries of them also

azure lynx
#

before writing, you had to memorize stuf. kids these days can just write stuff!

split steppe
#

i already know your stance zenith, no need to waste characters

azure lynx
#

what should we do then?

#

how will it help?

split steppe
#

the fact you need spoonfeeding how to solve problems is a kind of irony

azure lynx
#

what? you're saying i can make a real difference? how?

#

tell me?!

#

i don't believe i can

minor sail
#

Did I just walk into drama

azure lynx
#

we don't do drama here. nor politics. it's against the rules.

minor sail
#

ohhh okay

sick owl
#

Point 5 I'd argue we need to update the legality around, I definitely agree there

azure lynx
#

it's up to the corps.

fast pagoda
#

im just sat here being defeatist atm

sick owl
azure lynx
#

none of it is my responsibility. i'm going to use what there is to do stuff, because I can't change it.

split steppe
sick owl
azure lynx
#

personally, i can't do anything. if you want to solve it, become a politician or super rich person.

sick owl
#

You remove social media from the equation and that AI harm largely dissipates

fast pagoda
#

yes the whole thing is an accelerator for things good and bad, atm a lot of bad, but head-in-the-sand does not solve that issue

sick owl
#

Algorithmic social media is just a net negative on society, has been for a long time

split steppe
sick owl
split steppe
#

i've seen a few already, with snotty apologies

#

i don't have them at hand though

azure lynx
#

the AI slop they report on usually seems to come from social media

sick owl
#

Were they reputable reputable though (i.e BBC, Deutsche Wells, France 24)

split steppe
#

one was bbc from what i remember

sick owl
#

I don't recall any such scandal, I'd be interested if you could find one though and willing to walk back somewhat

fast pagoda
#

but what does refuting the entire category of tech do to prevent this though

#

other than just give china the go ahead to decide how it goes

split steppe
#

build against it

fast pagoda
#

or the US

split steppe
#

i do

azure lynx
#

"the whole world is going to pieces" has always been the case and always will be.
we personally can't do anything about it.

split steppe
#

i'm fed up with the cattle attitude personally

azure lynx
#

do something then

split steppe
#

i do

sick owl
azure lynx
#

what? how does it help?

split steppe
#

wouldn't you like to know

sick owl
#

I don't think you can solve, say, problems with the US and China while sitting in the UK though

fast pagoda
#

^ that's the issue

olive sable
azure lynx
#

the "AI problems" evolbug is talking about: how can I affect any of them? what can I do about any of them? nothing. they are irrelevant. (if true) they're not great.
but bad stuff happens all the time.

split steppe
rough bloom
azure lynx
#

what should I do then?

split steppe
#

use your brain? idk?

#

you're a dev just like them

#

i am doing what i think will be most effective in counter to it

azure lynx
#

you claim i can do something. i can't see anything to do that will improve things. tell me what ii can do that will improve things.

split steppe
#

then lick the corpo boots, i don't care

azure lynx
#

i am stupid. you say you know what to do.

#

tell me

sick owl
azure lynx
#

i am honestly asking what you think i should do. are you not able to answer?

sick owl
split steppe
#

it's a gish gallop problem, the problems they create are great and numerous, so you do need to target them all, but it also needs to be organised in focus groups

azure lynx
#

how should i change my actions to make the world better? you said I can and that it's obvious. you never gave me any examples of any actions or changes i could make. i don't believe it is as easy to change things as you think.

split steppe
#

at some point i'll see if i can talk to the eu pirate party, but i'm just a citizen atm

azure lynx
#

what you're doing is a gish gallop. not answering questions.

#

i have a simple question: what should I do differently?

split steppe
#

some problems are more core to it, i think applying the copyright laws more stringently would stall atleast something. eu could force the US hand atleast for a bit, since the US models do contain EU works

azure lynx
#

i can't apply copyright laws more stringently. What should I do?

split steppe
#

i'm not talking to you zenith

azure lynx
#

i know. why not? i seriously want to know what you think I should be doing differently. you never answered.

fast pagoda
azure lynx
#

this is poitics now.

split steppe
#

or that there could possibly exist things that one can do

azure lynx
#

how am i refusing to consider i am wrong? i am asking you to tell me what i am doing wrong so i can change!

#

and you refuse to tell me

#

i want to know what i could do that helps

split steppe
#

that's for you to figure out, you got a brain right?

azure lynx
#

and you said it's obvious but it's not obvious to me

split steppe
#

or are you an llm also? write me a cookie recipe

azure lynx
#

you're calling me stupid basically because i can't work out what you mean!

split steppe
#

aight i'm dipping

azure lynx
#

explain how i can change anything. i don't get it.

#

i seems like you don't know because you are avoiding giving me a straight answer.

#

thats what i see

#

but i could be wrong, so i am asking you again: please explain what I can do to make things better.

#

you seem to be refusing to accept someone might actually be curious about what you think.

#

just because i disagee with you doesn't mean i can't have my mind changed.

#

you havent' given me any reason to change it even though ive asked

split steppe
# sick owl Point 3 I'd argue is a social media problem not an AI problem, 4 is a societal a...

the difference in 6 and 7 is the different economic model we operate in today, compared to 100 ish years ago. today it affects billions of people across the entire world, everything all at once is becoming unstable. in a social system where a lot of the affected people no longer have support systems or families than can support loss of a job for years at a time as AI creates a vacuum of hundreds of millions to maybe even billions of jobs in the worst case. it has already eroded the US dev market massively, barely anyone out of a job can get back in.
8 is not good, because it means a huge dip in manufacturing and downsizing which cannot be bounced back for years after the old tech runs its life, it's going to be rough

azure lynx
#

for example, what can I do about other people using AI for surveillance?

azure lynx
#

these are the problems you stated. andyou said i can do something

olive sable
split steppe
olive sable
#

i thought about backreading, but i cant be bothered to. that backlog looks horrible

split steppe
#

it's junk

fast pagoda
#

it's not worth it

azure lynx
#

basically i'm a corporate LLM apparently. beep boop.

olive sable
#

mods get their ass, they're ai

split steppe
#

get that clanker

#

sleep on it kid, the fact that you cannot let go is a problem in and of itself

azure lynx
#

my context window is too long.
i still what to know what how they think i should change my behavior so as to stop all the problems they listed AI causing.

#

and that was thousands of tokens ago that i started asking

#

and they started calling me stupid for not knowing

#

which is rude

fast pagoda
split steppe
azure lynx
#

and i can do something about that, how?

#

what about this problem is my responsibility?

split steppe
#

dude just step away from the computer for a bit and drink a cold glass of water

#

i don't wanna call the mods

azure lynx
#

you started it. you called me stupid for not being able to work out what you were talking about

#

i honestly want to know

#

you don't like AI. i get it.

#

but you said i can do soemthing about it

#

and when i asked what you said i should know

#

i don't

#

is it "stop using AI"?

#

coz that won't solve all the problems you listed

#

just one person.

fast pagoda
sage crag
fast pagoda
#

80 gigbyte

sage crag
#

vetoed

azure lynx
#

i don't know what you mean. i just want you to answer so I can see what you have to say. I'll probably ignore it if it's not helpful. but not answering just makes me think you want something to help but don't know what.

fast pagoda
sage crag
#

2gb ssd

#

ple

fast pagoda
fast pagoda
#

6 available

sage crag
#

almost as expensive as the 80gb

fast pagoda
#

this was a cheap one lmfao

sage crag
#

try and find a 512mb ssd

fast pagoda
#

i dont know if a nand package that small exists

#

outside of like

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sd card

azure lynx
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i give up. they are an idealist who just wanted to share their thoughts. they have no actual plans for how to fix things.

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if they said "i don't know how to" i would've respected that.

split steppe
fast pagoda
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time to bring back tubes (?)

split steppe
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2 whole god's given gibibytes

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what the hell is a 1TB tube?

fast pagoda
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what's goin on over at hynix

split steppe
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didn't hynix stop their consumer division?

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where's all that from

fast pagoda
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micron killed crucial

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or is in the process of

split steppe
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ah right

rough bloom
fast pagoda
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pog

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i am hawkishly watching for 16gb ddr4 ecc as i need it for my cascade lake board to put with optan

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and

split steppe
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those 20mb are prolly hella reliable though

fast pagoda
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i keep mixing up fuckin micron and hynix too

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every time im like WHAT IS THIS THING?? IT'S THE SAME BUT IT'S ALL DIFFERENT THO??? and then i realize im staring at the hynix version of the same thing

patent shard
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sundisk miniHmm

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sounds familar

fast pagoda
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sundisk is sandisk btw

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you prob know

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but they are the same

sage crag
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sundisk

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java

patent shard
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ah

sage crag
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awt

patent shard
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so it is mhm

fast pagoda
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IBooMers had ssd in the 90s

sage crag
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sundisk old name

fast pagoda
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i like how WD bought sandisk

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and somehow

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WD is what got sunset

chrome rampart
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new konii name change I see

fast pagoda
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i wonder if they went firecuda all in bcause it has cuda in the name

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even tho its just from barracuda

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neuroPoint CUDA?

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what r u doin spectacle

olive sable
fast pagoda
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i wish sandisk would recognize that i want to purchase a cfexpress card on a whim at best buy and would send some to the ones near me

split steppe
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just send em an email, get a freebie

fresh arch
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Recently, I've been working on the basic algorithms. Once I'm familiar with everything, I plan to try building a blueprint

fast pagoda
split steppe
fast pagoda
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exclusive

split steppe
fast pagoda
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He doesn't care about ROCm

split steppe
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blissful existence

fast pagoda
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@sage crag

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I found

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Affordable for today's hard drive pricing

tender river
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ide ssd

patent shard
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how many pixels does the ssd have

fast pagoda
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Well, it got full

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So they had to compress the image a bi t

tender river
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they used a contemporary digital camera